2-13 Interview With Garner Ted Armstrong - Christian Cult

[proSpiritofTruth]

Revelation 17:7-18 the angel tells John "the mystery of the woman, and of the best that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns..." These royal families represented by the ten horns which are described in verse 12 which prophesies that they wil receive power as kings one hour with the beast which in prophetic terms of one day equals one year is one twenty fourth of a year, where the Biblical year is 12 30 day months which is 380 days or 15 literal days,some time in the near future

[proSpiritofTruth]

other power fits this description. Uriah Smith in Daniel and the Revelation, which can be accessed on line by typing in Daniel and Revelation by Uriah Smith, where you go to the chapter featuring Revelation 13, and go to verse 11 where he comments on all of both books verse by verse and he will explain in much better words than mine. Prophetically the Pagan Roman Empire carries on concurrent to the Papal until the Second Coming of Christ. There is an emperor and royal families still of Europe.

[proSpiritofTruth]

ah93704, I believe that we can say anything or even do anything provided that we can show just cause for it. The just cause for my saying that it will be America which leads out in enforcing Sunday worship outlawing Sabbath keeping, is Revelation 13:11-18, where the other beast which John beheld here, but unlike the leopard beast, coming up out of the earth, as opposed to the sea, in prophetic terms means a great end time power arising up out of the wilderness or uninhabited land and really no

[gnawaserge]

the audio is off. i love this show can you please fix it?

[proSpiritofTruth]

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[proSpiritofTruth]

Why is the whole world coming against them at the sixth plague? Simply, because of the National Sunday Law in America which spreads from Apostate Protestant America to the whole world, and whereas true Sabbath keeping Protestants are in hiding or in prison, the Jews, having their future imminent acceptance of Christ imputed to them at the close of probation, followed immediately by the pouring out of the first of the seven last plagues asChrist leaves the sanctuary having sealed the last member

[ah93704]

@proSpiritofTruth  America isnt going to enforce Sunday Law. It will be enforced by a Revived Roman Empire!

[proSpiritofTruth]

friends," and Jesus further reiterates the parralel with Joseph who was so relieved at finally being accepted by his brethren as he revealed his true identity to them, in Genesis 45:1&2, that in verse 2 "And he wept aloud: and the Egyptians and the house of Pharaoh heard," and this passion of Christ, on finally being accepted of the Jews officially as He reveals HImself to them, in Zechariah 12:10 -14 and 6, is reflected in a description of their passion for Him when they finally understood."

[proSpiritofTruth]

mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Haddrimon in the valley of Megiddon*." *Meggidon is Armageddon of Rev. 16:16 and the mourning is Christ's satisfaction which was preshadowed by Joseph when he was finally accepted of his brethren who sold him for 20 pieces of silver instead of 30, in the case of Christ, Who further reiterates this in Zechariah 12:6, "And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my

[proSpiritofTruth]

together against it." 9-11, "And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. In that day shall there be a great

[proSpiritofTruth]

Jerusalem, Revelation 16:14 "For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of teh whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty." 16, "And he gathered them together into a place called in teh Hebrew tongue Armageddon." Zechariah 12:3,"And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people : all that burden themselves with ti, shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered

[proSpiritofTruth]

circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter, whose praise is not of men, but of God."Romans 11:11 "I say then,Have they stumbled that they should fall? od forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealously." 15, "For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receving of them be, but life from the dead? 19 "Thou wilt say then, the branches were broken off, that I might be grafted

[proSpiritofTruth]

in him, the same bringeht forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered, and men gather them, adn cast them into the fire, and they are burned." And verses 10 &12 "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you." Romans 2:29, "But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and

[proSpiritofTruth]

Polytuffus, 3 years ago said, "Did I mention, they also taught you have to become Jewish to be Christian?" and in reply to this I would most definitely quote John 4:22, "Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews." Jesus, throught his mother, and by adoption, from His earthly father, Joseph, was biologically a Jew, and since, John 15:1, 5&5, "I AM the vine, and my Father is teh husbandman, I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in

[MrPeacemaker61]

it's probably when Paul wrote about jesus in colossians 2:9, he was refering it to christ after he was baptised from water and spirit and not before of being in his human nature as man. but exactly of what moses had taught Us that man is God in the human flesh by citing the statement:

"Let Us make man according to Our likeness" which mean God in a fleshly form. based on the analogy of what Paul said about the exactness of God in jesus!

[proSpiritofTruth]

that we do not own anything but have the unlimited righteous use of it.Even the worthwhile eternal life is not our own, or it would be a life of eternal misery, as only God has the properties that can make anything desirable.The sooner we accept this fact the sooner we may become humble and selfless,as after all, what we are really saved from in the first instance is self.Transgression can only become a possibiltiy if self centredness first come into being, "Self first,others second Jesus last."

[proSpiritofTruth]

are still totally dependent, like the atoms of the organic molecules in a physical plant are, on the life of the tree in order to sustain thieir hold on life in the organic world. If the tree dies they return to the inorganic world. So too, the righteous will always depend on Christ living HIs life through them, to keep them immortal, a fact which Christ desinged into creation through the Tree of life, which the saints rely on to sustain immortality hence reminding them, just as tithe reminds us

[proSpiritofTruth]

Word of God, that Jesus is the Christ, 1 John 5:1-3, which results in Commandment keeping according to these verses and 1 John 3:9, "Whosoever is born of God, doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God. Romans 8:1 takes the science of salvation to yet another level by showing how that ",,,the law of the Spirit of Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." Even in eternal life we must never forget that if it wer possible we

[proSpiritofTruth]

humab kingdom through the digestive systems of either. Of course when human eat amimal flesh that also is inducted into the human kingdom. Likewise when we eat the Bread that cometh down from heaven, Christ the divine seed, promised in Genesis 3:15, consumes us reciprocally, taking on board our sin as we take on board His righteousness like with the trees they take on our carbon dioxide as we take on their oxygen. Being born again comes through accepting by the faith which cometh by hearing, the

[proSpiritofTruth]

Addendum to prev 6 post post. Phil 4:13 also is dem by the seed which is sown in the human heart, like in the scientific account of how a member of the veg kingdom begins with a seed and grows as it draws, thorugh the root system, respiration, sunshine and rain, inorganic material from the mineral kingdom (identical to inorganic world) and by assimilating it into its metabolism the material for growth is inducted into the vegetable kingdom, just like veg material is inducted into the animal and

[proSpiritofTruth]

can both verses remain true statements that Christ in His humanity, from His mother, can put His arms around us to save us from the treacherous quicksand of sin, while while having the power to pull us to safe ground through grasping the throne of God in His divinity. So He needs both. A balanced view accompanied with Berean like cross referencing of the Authorized KJ Version, avoids all heresy if read honestly. All revised versions so far are copyrighted and so by def become the word of man.

[proSpiritofTruth]

alternated layers, beginning with two and then increasing with geometric progression with each hammering out and folding in two by the specialized blacksmith (called Damascene blades in the Middle East and Katana in Japan). 1 John 4:3 and 2 John7,-11 declare that it is the spirit of antichrist which denies that Jesus came in the flesh (john 1:14 "The Word was made flesh) and Isaiah 8:20 condemns those who deny John 1:1 (last part) "...and the Word was God." Only if these two identies remain sep

[proSpiritofTruth]

the 23 chromosomes from His mother and only the Y chromosome from His Father. The reality of this fact converted those who tested this blood, which of course was still alive, or such results would not show, in converting to Christianity and accepting their Messiah. I say this for Garner Ted Armstrong's benefit, to show how that Christ was the perfect blend of God, as the Son of God, and Man as the Son of Man, but theset two never homogenized like the two edged sword whose blade is constructed of

[proSpiritofTruth]

resists the temptation to call on His Father's side of the family, His divinity, is has a body which is just as human as ours, as testified by By Ron Wyatt's discovery and testing of the blood that ran down from the site of the base of Jesus' cross to the roof of the cave in which the Ark of the Covenant was appropriately placed, though faith by Jeremiah, so that the blood of Christ could be sprinkled, throughy Divine Providence, onto the Mercy Seat. The blood found was still alive and only had

[proSpiritofTruth]

which is in excercising the right action of the will, which is to excercise sufficient faith, which can only be the case with those who are full of the faith (faithful) which cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God." Romans 10:17, according to the saying, "Man proposes, God disposes," where God's part is to supply all of the opportunity (in His [the Father's James 1:17] infinite Providence). Now the science of salvation works like this: Jesus, throught His mother, provided He faithfully

[proSpiritofTruth]

Philippians 4:13, "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me," along with verses such as "I am the vine, ye are the branches, He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing," are verses which testify, that, all problem solving by any living created entity, be it plant, animal, human or angel, is according to the formula, ability +opportunity = solution where the created's part is "ability" as illustrated in the humna part

[ah93704]

I think GTA had it right here. I"ve listened to him for years and agree with most of what he had to say. RIP GTA

[SolaScriptura21]

im surprised John didnt ask Ted his thoughts on 1 Peter 3:18-20 which clearly refutes his (teds) beleifs.

[Enoch2]

People often say God cannot die and I think it is natural to take this for granted. But I believe God who took upon Himself the nature of the seed of Abraham did die on the Cross. Therein is our salvation. I know that God took on a nature that could die, but it was not merely that nature that died, it was GOD IN THAT NATURE that died.

The same One who said, "I am Alpha and Omega" (Rev 1:11) said, I am He that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore (Rev 1:18a).

[afzpuppet]

I really like Herbert Armstrong and the great ministry he put forth. However, I'm am shocked what Ted is talking about here! JESUS was PERFECT and WITHOUT SIN... He came into the world and yes anyone that came in contact with him could challenge him verbally and trying to tempt or trick him but that doesn't affect his perfection.. He is not going to ERR. Ted needs to read his bible instead of just riding the wave of Herbert's Success. Thanks Herbert RIP

[ah93704]

@afzpuppet Herbert taught the same thing Ted is talking about here.

[JediMasterRich]

For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.

Jesus was the testator, that is why Paul is speaking of Him in this way in these verses. If He, the God of ancient Israel did NOT die, then He could NOT be the mediator of the New covenant or start "Spiritual Israel" because He would still be bound to ancient Israel through the Sinai covenant.

[JediMasterRich]

with ancient Israel. God was MARRIED to Ancient Israel!! # Jeremiah 3:8

Then I saw that for all the causes for which backsliding Israel had committed adultery, I had put her away and given her a certificate of divorce;

This is why Paul wrote in Hebrews 9:15-17

15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance..

[JediMasterRich]

otherwise he would not have had to "listen AND ask questions" "Luke 2:46

Now so it was that after three days they found Him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, both listening to them and asking them questions.

So does that mean because He was not born with ALL knowledge that He was no longer God..no, He was, but when He died, he was dead. The flesh AND God died. If this were not true then WHY would He even come down IN the flesh?? Because he was the God who made the covenant...

[JediMasterRich]

If you watch the TV show Smallville or are familair enough with the Superman stories, it's no different than when Clark is around Kryptonite, he loses his powers, but his great character and strength of will to guide those powers towards a righteous use are STILL there, he is still Superman. Jesus had his Divine mind without his bodily powers, that is what was emptied. Without the Holy Spirit from Birth full strength He would have sinned as we all do. He was not born with all knowledge either..

[qpwillie]

It's pretty easy to debate when you can take all the time you want to present your own arguments without your opponent being present to agree with or refute them.

[samuraijcy987]

I wonder what these people will say to Christ when they stand before Him? its a scarly thing to mock a message coming from God. this commentary is spliced into the interveiw after it took place. WOE on to that man who spliced this video

[gordon777777]

Garner Ted Armstrong and his Dad were pretty smug individuals. They preached one thing and did another.

In the Worldwide Church of God, people were taught to not go to doctors and not to take medication (in the Seventies and earlier), yet HWA did take medications.

There are many other stories, but I'll leave that to you to find out...

[mitts61]

GTA (and his father for that matter) NEVER liked to be challenged and always took it personally. You can see it the way he folds his arms defensively, gets facetious and SNEERS at the audience member @ 3:13, continues on argumentatively @ 8:03. Big ego was his downfall.

[mark99501]

Jeus was part of the God family,aka elohim.Two members of one family.

[WINDYCLAIR]

Why do you put limmitations on God? God Sent His Son to this earth. Yashua took on human form. He was God and Man. He supressed His Godly Powers and Lived as a human for a 33 year period of time. When it was finished, He again took on his Godly powers and returned to heaven. Being God He could do this. You, being of a limmited mind therefore you Constantly put all sorts of Limitations on what God can do. You need to get beyond this. God has no Limitations.

[wagtec]

Jehovah Omnipresent, Omnipotent, Omniscient & Only God and Lord of Creation, out of Himself produced a flesh being called Jesus which of course as the parable of the owner of the field sent his son and they killed him. So by rights Jesus is eternal God in the flesh yet the Father possessing the eternity. Jesus could not be eternal anymore once he died and if divinity remained as intertwined with the flesh part it he would not experience eternal damnation for us. God=Father=Divine form Son=human

[wagtec]

Colossians 2:8 is post resurrection status.

[wagtec]

Garner is right in many ways. This guy is using commentaries and is bogus, Paul's references are relating to Jesus post resurrection status in heaven. Jesus fully died as a whole, and was no more as Jesus but eternal through the Father status since He was of the Father. Read Isaiah 9:6

[Bigturns33]

Garner is right on this. People cannot seem to realize that Yeshua was a Man. After his baptism this is when GOD intered into him and the fullness of meassure of the spirit of God was upon him. He even quoted this there after from Isaiah. Its not a mystery its not hard to understand. Yeshua/Jesus was a fleshly man, the spirit was in him in a meassure it never was on anyone. He was to be the messiah. The one God would work through to reconcile back to him. Its so easy to see.

[wagtec]

Jehovah became our savior by producing from Himself by the power of His Holy Spirit a son (A Son of God is God as derivative)but 100% human, Jesus was not greater than the Father but iqual since He came out of the Father and later received a Glorified body as He mentioned don't touch me I have not been Glorified by the Father. Jesus's eternity and God status was in the Father form, therefore he sits on the right hand of God on one thrown why because they are really two manifestations of Jehovah

[Polytuffus]

Ted is Dead an his false gospel is nearly all but gone, accept for a few hangers on. These preachers sold the soul of their followers to the devil and live to take their purses to the bank. They taught 2 or more gods, 2 lifetimes to be saved, murders, rapist and homocide bombers go free without punishment and you can wait until your next life to be saved. Does it get any stranger. Did I mention, they also taught you have to become Jewish to be Christian?

[narlycat]

Ted didn't preach a false gospel, preachers from every denomination sell out for money including Protestants/Catholic churches. Ted didn't teach 2 gods rather 2 members of the God head: Father and Son = family that's one in Spirit. you better hope God has compassion at the Great White Throne Judgment, do you call most practicing "Christians" today saved, if so then the power of their God is pathetic. Newsflash: Jesus was an observing Jew, the Apostle Paul was an observing Jew.

[narlycat]

GTA is taking the original Hebraic approach to Jesus' humanity and Ankerberg is taking the Greek Gnostic approach that Jesus was more of a disemobied spirit. Why is Ankerberg "parsing" words, he seems to want to beat a dead horse on this one, accept what the Bible says and get on with it!

[Bigturns33]

People just cant seem to get what you said though. They dont understand the changes over time throughout history on this subject.

[GCL777]

Jesus was GOD in the flesh in that HE had the FULLEST amount of the Spirit of God that ANY human had ever possessed. Meaning that HIS SPIRIT within was beyond that of ALL. It was and IS VERY MUCH HOLY ....JESUS has in the flesh the greatest amount of the HOLY Spirit within Him than ANY!

[tobigforyou]

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