Triumph and Tragedy - The Ray Mancini story (part 5)

[fishbird912]

Hi Ray, I hope you're listening to this(probably not). But I'm from Korea, and remember this fight very well(I saw it with my dad about 2am). He was a real champion, like most of you boxers who became boxers. He was friggin amazing boxer in Korea, but he was a little less known(at least to me). You're not a murderer, it was just something happened in sports where two guys just fought really hard. People calling you a murderer is absolutely ridiculous.

[ChristopherSaindon]

Oh my GOD the Ref too Jesus..please. This is really more than I ever expected as far as tragedy is concerned. WOW.

[madenew000]

both are true champions!

[dyoooooooooon]

A classy man.

[Illmatic662]

Two great men both Kim and Mancini when people talk ill of boxing this is the video you guys should show them!

[mrlebowski33]

Poor form from Bramble but psychologically very smart...

[tctank22]

Great documentary. Ray Mancini was a great fighter.  Livingstone Bramble was a punk and should have lost the second fight with Mancini on a UD. I never liked Livingstone Bramble and I am glad he got a taste of his own medicine when he got a bum decision at the end of his career against Oba Carr. When a fighter dies in the ring, everyone loses. There are no winners..

[MrBennetzen]

@tctank22 Feels like this fight was like a one tragedy after another.

[pnutbutrncrackers]

I used to like Livingstone Bramble. That's much harder for me now after seeing this clip. The "murderer" remark was as low as a person can get. That he (apparently) still expresses no shame over it is reprehensible.

[Blkserpent1]

One fight, four deaths. Even part of of Sugar Ray Robininson died after a death in the ring. Mancini was never the same. A sad chapter in boxing that lingers to this day.

[vidnut67]

The change to 12 rounds in my view was even more destructive to boxing than Kim's death, because it removed the incentive for the highest level of conditioning among boxers. In short, it lowered the bar. Hagler and Arguello angrily warned that this would happen back in 1983. Any 10-round fighter can go 12 rounds, but it takes a special fighter just to go 15 rounds, let alone win.

[KingRhaul]

@vidnut67 u make no fucking sense dummy

[vidnut67]

@KingRhaul In case you missed my point, and judging by your response it's obvious you did, the championship distance was shortened to 12 rounds by the WBC in direct response to Kim's death, as the WBC determined that the 15-round distance was the cause of Kim's death, which is nonsense and is not backed up by historical fact. Most ring deaths have actually occurred in the 12th round or earlier, and Kim, while he put up a heroic effort, had not fought a world class fighter prior to Mancini.

[vidnut67]

@KingRhaul I have followed boxing for 33 years, since the Holmes-Norton fight in 1978, and I have seen the difference in the quality of world-class boxers before the reduction of the championship distance and after. I would like to know in what areas I made no sense (notice I used no profanity), and if you do respond, please use proper English. Thank you.

[KingRhaul]

@vidnut67 i'm posting a comment in youtube not writing a resume so i need no fucking proper english, what didnt make sense was saying that making championship fights 12 instead of 15 rounds removed the incentive for high conditioning.That was a dumb thing to say, i'm assuming you've never boxed in your life

[vidnut67]

@KingRhaul No, I never boxed, but I have been a close observer and fan for many years, and I do defer to experts. I have a clear memory of what Hagler and Arguello predicted in 1983, and they sadly turned out to be right. By the way, Angelo Dundee never boxed. Neither did the late Jim Jacobs, who skillfully managed Mike Tyson's rise to the top and would have kept him there (and away from Don King) had he not died. Hear anyone calling Dundee and Jacobs dumb?

[tappmoney18]

@vidnut67 very true



[moegdaog]

that paret fight was ridiculous...that ref is a fuckin moron for not stoping that fight 3 hits into the 20 clean hits that fuckin gorrilla kept punching him with knowing the guy was unconcious..watching something like that gets me mad as fuck

[jtrubilla]

Have you even watched the fight? You are making yourself look like an idiot. The fight was highly competitive all the way to the end.

Mancini landed one shot on his way down. The ref could've NEVER prevented that.

[jacob9805]

@moegdaog youre a fucking idiot

[callofd45]

Excellent documentary on a great fighter..Thanks for posting.

[KubrickLives]

the referee and his corner people should have stopped the fight in the beginning of round 13, this and bernie paret are amont the saddest moments in boxing

[4JayeP]

@KubrickLives By today's standards this fight would have been stopped about 45 sec. into round 13. A standing 8 count at a minimum. The Paret fight.....Bennie was practically unconscious and the ref. didn't stop it. He took about 20 clean shots WHILE HIS HANDS WERE DOWN!

[gladheater69]

He's a true Champion

[Sonofdarighthand]

Excellent documentary.

[celleo89]

I am a Korean but I hold no animosity towards Ray Mancini. He was a valiant warrior who was just unlucky in that fight against Kim.

My respects go to both boxers.

[michaelarkengel]

@celleo89 : South Korean chinky eyes always loved sucking up to Americans, the fact that he got killed in America by an American, perhaps gave your yellow face a lot of red n pink in joy and pride.....,No big deal, All fights should end only when the logical conclusion, the ultimate hurt, which is death, of one of the fighters ....is acheived.......cuz the fighters are ok with fighting, their families are ok with their guy fighting.... and all who see are ok with the fight, so why the fuss?

[TopperRocker]

@michaelarkengel Your a fuckin scumbag rat bastard..i could say "you love suckin up to israeli's" so it goe's round and round..Dumbass...R.I.P.Kim

[regnadkcin2k]

@TopperRocker I didn't scroll down to the other side of that conversation... but I think you just hit the other guy with everything but the kitchen sink. Down goes Frazier! Down goes Frazier!