Debate Trinitarian vs Oneness Pentecostal (2010)

[MrGaryricketts]

he was the son of God in the sense he was the only begotten of the father. he was the father in the sense that thus saith the scripture unto us a child is born a son is given his name shall be called immanual which being interpited GOD with us

[MrGaryricketts]

Now notice when Jesus came to earth He took on the form of man. we were created in his image. he took on the form of man. and thought it not robbery to be equal with man, so with him being in the form of man, he allowed himself to think as a man feel as a man. why is it so hard to believe that the creator of the universe can be both flesh and spirit. lets read Is9:6 notice how it reads unto us a child is born but unto us a son is given(john3:16) but he shall be called everlastin father part6

[MrGaryricketts]

the image in which God said Let us make man after our image Gen1:26 is our spirit even we as humans are three in one. body,soul,spirit. God is omnipresent we all agree on that correct. therefore that is why it is possible for Jesus to be on earth being baptized, and all at the same time the voice came from heaven. in order to say there is two, is to say God cannot be everywhere at once.such as in water and in heaven. OMNIPRESENT. Unlike any other religion OUR God walked amongst us. part5 next

[MrGaryricketts]

Part3 gen1:1 in the beginning GOD created. John 1:1-3 in the beginning was the word. WE see in gen God created the earth, we see the word that was manifest in flesh (John chp1) "without him there was nothing made that was made. Job 8:8 God is a spirit. John 1:18 No man hath seen God at anytime. We as humans cannot possibly see God> Why? cause he is a spirit. and we were created in that image. his image is not arms legs flesh our spirit returns to God who gave it,part4 next

[MrGaryricketts]

Part2. my point is this: however you approach any subject, rather it be trinity/oneness. eternal punishment/or universal salvation. usually determines how you read into scriptures, that deal with the subject. What I see in most people with strong beliefs, is that they study to prove that they are right. (which usually involves ignoring some verses, and twisting others. as i listen to your debates, I wonder if pride will not allow you to admit that some of you are wrong.. part3 what i see on this

[MrGaryricketts]

part1 of reply I trust that most here will see if what I say is backed by the bible. on my daily newspaper journal, when I quote scripture, I give book,chapter, verse. (and my puncuations are professional.) I have always been intrigued by this subject. I will say that most who believe in the trinity, were no doubt raised in a church who taught the trinity. and those who believe in the oneness, like wise were probably raised in a church that teaches oneness. my point is on part2 of my reply

[7FaithInTheLord7]

God has a Diven Nature. He is three persons but reamins as one God. This is his nature. I used to attend a United Pentecostal Church International and they taught a Higharchy! They taught that Jesus is the Father and in a Higher being way! God is The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost! God's nature is Divine, Co-equal and Co-existent! Repent pentecostals! Come to the real God of the Bible! Jesus is God not the Father! The Father is God and not the Son! The Holy Ghost is also God! Repent! Glory to God!

[georgehuddo]

@7FaithInTheLord7 Well done!

[dking2ushawty21]

anyway you can post some of the debates you organize on paltalk?

[MrLimeyBob]

@dking2ushawty21 All five of my debates are on this channel, go tot eh MrLimeyBob channel and then search my channel to find nthem. I am very keen to debate another Oneness Pentecostal pastor on (1) Is the Son of God the creator. (2) Water baptism (3) Speaking in tongues - any takers? If so e-mail me on thebagge@yahoo.co.uk

[Ilovjas]

Trinetarians believe that God the Father loved us so much he sent his another person god the Son to die for us. Can you picture that conversation between the father and the son "hey I love my humans so much I'm making you one of them so you can suffer their pain and not me,and why is the third person never mention in that proposition to save men kind? And was'nt the Spirit that moved in Marry to fertilize her egg for Jesus to be born making the Holy Spirit the Father of Jesus Christ?

[georgehuddo]

WHY DO CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN THE TRINITY? Systematic Theology is that sort of Theology that proves Doctrines like the Trinity with verses upon verses of Scripture. Jehovah's witnesses cannot see these verses in their New World Translation because the Governing body at Brooklyn has changed the meaning of the Ancient languages in their Translation. Log onto SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY BY JAMES P BOYCE & click onto Trinity (IT IS FREE) to SEE WHAT JEHOVAH IS REALLY SAYING & you will then know the Truth

[Ilovjas]

@georgehuddo Ok, if you send me a reply then atleast start by answering my questions to the best of your ability. The word trinity is not even mention once in the Bible, nor do words trinitarians claim to mean plural in the Bible mean three or trinity. Plural can be two or more it does not mean trininty. Trinitarians, Jehovah witness and anyone who preaches another Gospel which the Disciples did not preached is a curse for there is only ONE name given onto us for salvation Acts 4:10-12

[georgehuddo]

@Ilovjas The word Trinity is not found in the Bible, neither is the words Theocratic Organization. If you want to play word games, let's get serious. The name Jehovah is not found in the original manuscripts either, but the tetragrammaton YHWH is. You want to argue Oneness doctrine Right??? You want to put your point of view accross, and if Scripture proves you wrong, you will still bat on Yes???

[Ilovjas]

@georgehuddo No, we don't have prove that there is only ONE GOD. We have no disagreement there is there? You are the one telling the world there is a god made out of three persons. So why don't you show me Scripture where it says exactly that God is one in three persons or that there are three thrones in heaven or any Commandments or Salvation in three persons or anyone ever Baptized or receiving three persons into their hearts or any Disciple murder for preaching the trinity?

[SuperHotpinkzebra]

And it DOES matter what religion you are because the word says that very few will find the truth.He's one.It matters how your baptized.You take on Jesus name how his words says.And keep his commandments seek after the Holy Ghost,and make sacrifices for him.(:it's the most amazing feeling.

[SuperHotpinkzebra]

Living on the inside of the ones that have been baptized in Jesus name and spoke in tongues...He's the father of ALL creation.These 3 are ONE.kind of like you have 3 titles you may be a friend,daughter,mother does that make you 3 people??no.Your ONE woman with 3 titles.

[SuperHotpinkzebra]

I encourage you guys to read:

John 3:5-7.Deuteronomy 6:4,

Matthew 28:19.(notice it says the NAME,the name is Jesus right?Correct)

Acts 2:38.God also says that the son and the father are ONE.God manifested himself in flesh as Jesus,When Jesus was on earth he had his own thoughts he was his own balse,he asked himself what to do,and wouldn't allow himself to think thoughts or do things.Because he dwelt on earth as we do.The Holy Ghost is God's (Jesus') spirit

[LSPNUEMA]

Jesus came forth from the Father

just as a

Word proceeds from the Father

Jesus is the Word of God

Jesus is translated as the Son of God

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And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

English grammar would dictate that what is in parenthesis opens more about the subject, and what it opens is a metaphor, that flesh is as of the only begotten of the Father

[LSPNUEMA]

if this debate were simulcasted with video onTV,then it'll have the same message in 2 forms:both in video onTVand audio on internet/radio;to the hearer,the message is heard on radio,but to the viewer it is seen onTVGod is aSpirit,andHisWord has always been with,actually theBible states that theWord isGod.TheWord is the message ofGod to humanity,or to creation broadcasted toOTbelievers differently than it is in this day and age whereGod speaks throughHisSon,the manifestedWord ofGod

[joelh150]

It must not be such a huge deal if the lord loves us all the same right?

[joelh150]

Aren't we all sons and daughters of God it shouldnt matter god loves us all the same 

[dgreenja]

I will challenge any trinitarian on his/her position, that God is three persons, against my position where God is a solitary one, and He is Jesus. Just contact me on skype where my skype name is daveable2, or meet me on fb where my profile name is David Green.

[MrLimeyBob]

@dgreenja I might be interetsed in debating in paltalk.com in a moderated room. My paltalk.com name is Limey_Bob As for a debate title, choose something which sticks to scripture and I might agree to debate you on a sunday evening between my next debates on Sunday 24th July and Sunday 21st August. How about this title: Is Yahweh God eternally the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit or did Yahweh God become the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

[georgehuddo]

@MrLimeyBob To teach that Yahweh God became The the Son, and the holy Spirit is without Modalism, and this is Heresy in any man's language. Gal 1:6-9. Shalom

[MrLimeyBob]

@dgreenja  I have just contacted david Green about a possible debate on paltalk.com

[MrLimeyBob]

@dgreenja I have just contacted david Green AGAIN about a possible debate on paltalk.com

He has thus far not responded to my offer of a debate.



[georgehuddo]

@dgreenjaThe Watchtowers Kingdom interlinear of the Greek Scriptures, tells me under the the original Greek that Jesus Christ is THE GOD.John.20:28. It also says that The Holy Spirit is THE GOD under the original Greek Acts 5:3-4. Jehovah also says that there is no God before Him neither will there be any after Him Isaiah 43:10. So there cannot be three God's .Seeing that the ''definite article'' is used in both John and Acts, there can only be '"three persons" in the one Godhead or Trinity.

[2222pauline]

THE Hebrews and Muslims LAUGH at this debate

THEY KNOW

trinity is 3 but GOD is 1

[georgehuddo]

@2222pauline The Muslems go on the Quran, Orthodox Jews do not believe Jesus is or was the Messiah

and if you were in Jerusalem and you told them you were a Christian , they would just turn their back on you. They wouldn't laugh.'Shalom

[georgehuddo]

@georgehuddo OOps I mean Muslims. Getting tired.

[2222pauline]

@georgehuddo Yes but we are not in Jerusalem and Muslem are not Christ like are they?

Pick a SUBJECT lets Discuss it.

[DnRchristianity]

sorry i would love to,bt im not on a computer these days,im using a cellphone..anyways,i dnt need to,because my videos talk on my behalf,please check out my videos on the trinity doctrine n see for yourselve,ur free to comment.

[DnRchristianity]

@MrLimeyBob i believe the father is God and that the Holy Spirit proceeds from him,Jesus is the human son of God,and not God the son...u can debate anytime u want

[MrLimeyBob]

@DnRchristianity I only debate in paltalk over a microphone. So get a mic and log onto paltalk.com it have hundreds of rooms where you can speak over a mic. My name there is Limey_Bob if i agree to debate I'll need to set up a room and organise a moderator. What is your background

[georgehuddo]

@DnRchristianity Do an in-depth study on Philippians 2:6-8 and you might change your mind about Jesus not being God the Son.

[DnRchristianity]

both trinitarian and oneness are wrong...both are full of mystery's and confusions,the biblical unitarians are better with no mystery

[MrLimeyBob]

@DnRchristianity So what are you JW? Muslim? what? Woul;d you be willing to debate a Trinitarian?

[October31st1517]

@mlculwell When did trinitarianism ever teach that there were 3 gods?

[mlculwell]

@October31st1517 I know you do not believe you do but you in your interpretation of Philippians 2:6 where God the son is equal to God. God cannot be equal to God unless there are two Gods. Your copout term persons are not used in the passage!

[mlculwell]

@October31st1517

The same thing for John 1:18 where your favorite translation says he is the only begotten God!(ESV) That lacks common sense That would make him one begotten God among the two other unbegotten Gods clearly that is thoughtless polytheism.

Then John 1:1 were God is said to be with God. I say Jesus is the one God to whom the word was with! If Jesus is Jehovah God and He is then the word was with him! Tell me I am wrong!

[October31st1517]

@mlculwell Hold on, You just spouted out a bunch of nonsense. Answer my question. When did trinitarianism ever teach that there were 3 gods?

[CaptHook777]

@October31st1517 I'll answer that if you wish. In 365 A.D. at the Nicene counsel those who believed in the trinity wrote and stated that believed In one God of three persons, Co-equal, co-existant, and co-eternal! Why would you need three when one would suffice? I'm sorry but the so called trinity is a farce perpetrated from Hell itself! There is no scriptural basis for it or common sense to it as well!

[October31st1517]

@CaptHook777 My question, Still has not been answered. When did trinitarianism ever teach teach that there were 3 Gods. You just affirmed that trinitarianism teaches 1 God. Please answer my question. I believe what Jesus taught in John 15:26. That there are 3 distinct persons.

[georgehuddo]

@CaptHook777. The Father is THE GOD RIGHT!!! In the Kingdom Interlinear of the Greek Scriptures under the original Greek language it says The Son is THE GOD John.20 28Right!!!. In the Original Greek language again, it says that The Holy Spirit is THE GOD. Right!!! The Definite Article Is being used in both of these passages of Scripture. Right!!!, , but there is only one God. Isaiah43:10. Right!!! So there cannot be three Gods. Right!!!This being so there must be three in the Godhead.Right!!!

[georgehuddo]

@ CaptHook777The New World Translation of the Jehovah's Witnesses has been corrupted by the Watchtower's Governing body especially when it is dealing with the Deity of Christ. They have butchered the Word of God. Passages such as John 1:1-3; Titus 2:13; Romans 9:5; Heb1:8; Ist John.5:20 have all been altered so that rank and file, ''the other sheep'' of the Watchtower cannot see that Christ is God from God and True light from True light. CHECK IT OUT. with a regular Bible! The NWT is Corrupt