unfortunately for them i use a .308, good luck stopping a 168gr FMJ at 2750fps. a little .223 55gr isnt going to do much damage to armor, the marines complained about the stopping power of it in iraq saying it was taking 3-4 hits sometimes to stop threats which is why the 6.8 is preferred. personal i like the 7.62x39 as a universal round for almost anything. the ballistics say it all.i wouldnt even deer hunt with a .223 yet alone want to trust my life to it.it makes a GREAT accurate target round
@JDsgreatz28 Umm....the .308 is going to be stopped by this plate fairly easily. Don't confuse penetration of soft tissue with hard surface penetration. M855 5.56mm will out penetrate a standard .308 round thanks to it's hardened penetrator tip. Even older m197 5.56mm will beat out the .308. That's just physics. M855 can pen a steel helmet at 700m, while the .308 cannot. That was part of the test requirements when it was adopted.
@brainplay im sure there is some .308 that will destroy that stuff. like the M948 or some m61 black tips. but from what it sounds if the bad guy is using armor piecing rounds your screwed.but all the derka derkas over in the middle east are probably using ak's with standard ammo thats 50 years old. the biggest round theyd have is like a 7.62x54r in a old rifle, id want to wear that stuff anyway, who knows they can still get lucky, IEDs are probably the killers anyway (cheating cowards).
@Alvinsprofile Actually, the Chinese type-95 fires .223/5.56mm NATO round. Not to start anything bu the Chinese have become a real contender in today's world. I would stop worrying about the Russians, and Taliban, and more about he Chinese and their allies.
@tom2000136 Hollow points have less penetration capability than regular ball ammo because of their rapid expansion. But I can't answer your question unless you tell me what caliber and what protection level of vest.
Ok for all your information.. If this can stop a Very Sharp 5.56 Round.. Traveling at 3400 fps. Then of corse it will stop the 7.62.39 Ak 47, Moving much slower, For Example A level 3 a vest mention to stop handgun Bullets Will stop a 9 mm +p+ going 1300 fps.. It will also stop. 357 sig going 1400 fps. So those are much smaller rounds. So of corse it will stop the 40 cal and 45
My understanding is the way faster, thinner rounds like the 5.7 pierce kevlar is they are traveling fast and have a thin profile that pierces and expands the gaps between the kevlar fibers, whereas a more round-tipped projectile like a 9mm will be caught in the fibers and the force will dissipate enough that it won't be able to pierce the kevlar in spite of being a more powerful round than the 5.7
@kguitar765 Everybody knows M16 have less penetration because its light mass, havent you ever seen when someone compared M16 vs AK-47 with cinderblocks or wood?
EVERY1 shut up -_- 5.56 is faster bullet which tumbles and brakes up inside the human body , 7.62 is a slow bullet which cuts through the human body fully , they both can do around the same type of damage to a human body ... since the 7.62 is giong slower by the time it goes through some objects it slows down till it does smaller damage
@vkigo3 Everybody knows M16 have less penetration because its light mass, havent you ever seen when someone compared M16 vs AK-47 with cinderblocks or wood?
@gorgonzo1a and they are slower there is one vid were the a guy was shot at by an ak and was able to move but later on he was shot by and m16 and was down in milli sec, and yes i know 7.62 is bigger and goes through more but you dont want your shot giong through and enemy then a civilian usa is a nation fighting guerrillas we need a smaller round :P m16 all day
@gorgonzo1a ciderblocks and wood are way different than steel, ceramics, or concrete. Cinderblocks and wood are porous and are affected by the mass where as non-porous material like steel or ceramic are affected by energy and cross section. The 7.62x39 and the 7.62 NATO are thicker and require more to push energy to literally drill through while the 5.56mm is thinner and has less resistance. Wood and cinder just split apart as their binding is weak.
@Alvinsprofile There was a pretty decent amount of insurgents using captured or bought American type of weaponry, the 7.62 is a larger round, but if this can take 63 5.56 rounds....I think it could take at least a couple 7.62, coming out of an old AK, shitty ammo just in general, would be suprised if it's jacketed.
@Alvinsprofile The plates we use are MAINLY used for counteraction to friendly fire... Some do have plates to counteract 7.62, but most are to defeat the 5.56
@Alvinsprofile It's more along the lines of how it is going to hold up against AP rounds which are starting to become more and more common on the battlefield.
AP rounds are just steel core, and penetration is more a matter of kinetic energy, which in the case of a 5.56....you've gotta understand, level IV ceramic plates can withstand up to a 7.62x51 NATO, which has roughly double the kinetic energy of a 5.56.
There's a point where it doesn't matter what your bullet is made out of, it's just not powerful enough to pierce the most resilient of bullet proof vests.
Most level III rated ceramic plates are proof- tested against both a 5.56 and a 7.62x39.
As a matter of fact the standard issue ceramic plates for US infantrymen can withstand a 7.62x39, and there are soldiers who have been shot in their body armor with an AK-47 and survived because the ceramic plate withstood the 7.62x39 round.
1) Military issue m16 use 5.56 rounds. They're similar, but not the same as .223 rounds. 5.56 rounds have a higher velocity, so we stopped using the .223s a while ago
2) 7.62x39 rounds are actually easier to stop than a faster, and thinner round like the .223 or the 5.56.
I seriously doubt that the 7.62x39 is easier to stop than a 5.56, considering that it pulls so much more kinetic energy. The 5.56 actually doesn't have that thin of a profile, it's ballistic coefficient kind of sucks balls.
However, I do know that the ultra-aerodynamic 6.5 Grendel outperforms the 7.62 NATO in penetration tests in spite of being a lower-powered round, so there is some truth to that in principle.
@Alvinsprofile You have heard of Homeland Security? They use 5.56 and run a lot of concentration camps soon to be filled with your family and friends.
@weenershnitzel336 less penetration through hard armor. Remember that bigger isn't always better. While a bigger round may do more soft tissue damage purely due to size, it's penetration of non-porous materials isn't necessarily increased. The M855 5.56mm can penetrate a helmet further out than a 7.62 NATO and was intended to punch through early Russian body armor that the 7.62 NATO could not.
@WunderDoob LOL 223 was started by Remington, lots of manufacture makes it from American Eagle, to Federal Express, to Winchester, to MFS, Wolf, Norinco lots of them do.
@WunderDoob Wow you're stupid. .223 is just a slightly weaker 5.56x45NATO. It's okay to shoot .223 through a 5.56 barrel, but not as safe to shoot 5.56 through a .223.
@Alvinsprofile 7.62 is relatively a easy round to stop because its slow, 223 is faster thus harder to stop. If anything that would prove armor is extremly capable it would be 7.62X54R APM1. Alot of Level IV can't even catch that.
Because probably 90% of kevlar layer and steel plate body armor out there can already stop a 7.62x39mm round. It still delivers enough energy to break bones and do some internal hemmoraging but it will not penetrate. 5.56x45mm will go straight through every time. The body armor being tested here appears to use a different composition material to actually slow the round down and "catch" it.
Sadly... many militants that our troops face use "Psychological Body-Armor" They often have been known to use women+Children as cover, to prey on the moral conscious of our troops. Who needs body armor if you can prevent getting shot at in the first place.
What is this plate made out of? Good god... Dragon Skin is cool, but good luck getting your hands on it if you're a civilian. This Defend-x plate seems pretty badass.
@Ganjisgreat The Defendx stuff is made from composite and Dyneema. They also have a version that floats or is at least buoyant neutral. There's a video of it on youtube where they drop it in a fishtank and it floats back up.
If so, BAE/Armor Holdings/Safariland or maybe Point Blank/PACA/Pro-Tech would have bought DEFENDEX out by now. UHMWPE works and works well for MSC-AK, and at 3lbs works great for those operations where lead-core commercial hunting rounds are confronted. Post a link to the testing lab's certification letter that shows the 0101.06 compliance.
I want body armor that can withstand against 9mm rounds from Pistols to .50 caliber to anti material rifle. There are body armor vest that can't withstand with .50 caliber.
So what if this best armor stop 5.56x45mm. Guess what the Taliban and Al-Qaeda doesn't use M16 or M4. They are using AK-47/Type 56 which fire 7.62x39mm. Dragonskin body armor is better than Interceptor body armor, Improved Outer Tactical Vest, (IOTV), & Modular Tactical Vest MTV.
@SilentEagles 7.62x39 doesn't penetrate hard plate nor ballistic materials as well as 5.56mm. The 7.62x39 can break up cinder block and penetrate weak fibrous like tree stumps due to it's mass. But against solid materials such as metal, ceramics, or solid brick it doesn't do so well where as the 5.56mm was designed to penetrate Russian body armor. Also, Dragonskin sucks for anything outside of controlled conditions.
@Meatlooaf Impact deflection? You do realize that the term you just used really means shooting it at an angle? Dragonskin works by having dozens of smaller plates overlapping. This creates a flexible but much thicker and heavier overall plate. It does nothing that a monolithic plate already does other than cost more and be more complex to replace/fix. Those that bought into the hype promptly sold off their armor (see Fresno,CA. SWAT).
Yes, but it offers increased mobility and superior protection....at least with modern counterparts. and i didn't mean deflection even if i said deflection...i mean it spreads the kinetic energy over a larger surface, and forces the bullets to topple over, which in term makes them pulverize..and stops the Impact itself from killing you...
@Meatlooaf flexible armor would not allow better energy spreading (rigid structures transmit waves faster) and you don't get pulverization from tumbling of the bullet, you get it from grinding down into the cominuted region of the ceramic, which would mean those discs would have to be destroyed in the process.
@brainplay I kind of find that hard to believe about the 5.56 being a better body armor piercer than 7.62x39. Where might I find some proof of that? I'm not trying to be a smart ass, just a healthy sceptic.
@zacthebold Well this isn't too hard to find. The first place you should look is at the NATO SS-109 specifications. This is what up until just this year we crafted ALL of our 5.56mm according to those standards. It was designed to penetrate Russian body armor from the 80's and out perform helmet penetration tests of by the 7.62x39 and 7.62x51 NATO rounds at long range. It has a steel penetrator as standard. All military 5.56mm do. The 7.62x39 only contains soft steel, for cost. Continued..
@zacthebold The Russian body armor at the time was a 3mm titanium plate with a kevlar backing. Very similar to ours but with an inferior plate. 7.62x39 could not penetrate it while 5.56mm could penetrate. DocCKR has been doing ballistic plate tests on Lightfighter for years now. The only plates to really fail reliably were Dyneema plates as shown above to M855. All 7.62x39 and 7.62NATO were stopped by it. We can move on to basic physics but this should be good enough.
@brainplay Hmm... so it isn't the caliber, but the way in which each happen to have been made. Are there any 7.62x39 with a harder steel core than is standard? What about 5.45x39? I think those have a steel core of some kind.
@zacthebold Not as a standard round. All Russian military bullets are steel cored. But it's soft mild steel since mild steel is cheaper. The Russians do have armor piercing rounds but those are specialty rounds and not standard issue. Our M855 and M855a1 rounds all contain the hardened penetrator and are standard issue. We also have a special armor piercing round called the M995 which can beat even these plates but like the Russian counterpart is special issue only.
@BeigarthTV Ballistics is really hard, its odd because most of the time things that are faster seem to be more powerful. Think about it this way a 9mm goes faster so it is more of a piercing blow and a smaller wound hence why when shoot someone it doesn't have to much push power on the target. When the bullet goes slower like a 45 but is heavier it might not penetrate as much but all the weight and heavy impact since it is going slower on contact dissipates and causes a huge amount of knockdown
@BeigarthTV Yes of course the 9mm is faster, you said that it is more powerful than a 45 which is extremely false. You put on body armor let me shoot you with a 9mm and then a 45 and you will believe me. Hence why when you fire a 9mm you only get 4 inches of penetration in ballistic jelly were as with 45 you get 5 inches. Since the 45 is heavier and bigger and slower upon contact with a human it releases ALL its energy into the body unlike a 9mm. Not to mention kinetic energy.
@Andy36015 what does convenience have to do with it? Why say power then instead of energy, how is it more convenient to be wrong? And as for this supposed majority belief, out of the hundreds of peer reviewed papers on ballistic performance of different rounds find me ONE that defines power with joules.
@Andy36015 joules per second, joules is for energy, if you're going to compare power you need to know the time over which the bullets energy is imparted.
The ammo used in this test is M855, which uses an SS109 bullet. These bullets were designed to penetrate armor better than M80 (7.62x51). Hands down 7.62x51 is a lot more powerful and capable of more penetration than 7.62x39.
Level III armor is tested to successfully stop many common centerfire rifle rounds, but some designs have trouble with armor penetrating ammo(not piercing).
Any non-armor piercing AK round is going to have a real hard time getting through this plate.
The ammo tested is the M855 which uses an SS109 bullet. These bullets were designed to penetrate armor better than M80 which is a regular 7.62x51 NATO round. Level III body armor is tested to stop multiple 7.62x51 NATO hits.
Saying it can't stop AK rounds is ridiculous. Level III will stop just about every non-armor piercing centerfire rifle round used by any military on earth. Some Level III plates can have trouble with fast rounds like 5.56 though, but obviously not this one.
The ammo tested is the M855 which uses an SS109 bullet. These bullets were designed to penetrate armor better than M80 which is a regular 7.62x51 NATO round. Level III body armor is tested to stop multiple 7.62x51 NATO hits.
Saying it can't stop AK rounds is ridiculous. Level III will stop just about every non-armor piercing centerfire rifle round used by any military on earth. Some Level III plates can have trouble with fast rounds like 5.56 though, but obviously not this one.
The ammo tested is the M855 which uses an SS109 bullet. These bullets were designed to penetrate armor better than M80 which is a regular 7.62x51 NATO round. Level III body armor is tested to stop multiple 7.62x51 NATO hits.
Saying it can't stop AK rounds is ridiculous. Level III will stop just about every non-armor piercing centerfire rifle round used by any military on earth. Some Level III plates can have trouble with fast rounds like 5.56 though, but obviously not this one.
7.62x39 and 5.56x45 have just about the same power. Saying that the AK 47 is more powerful is like saying, "Desert Eagle= .50 and M82= .50, so they are equal in power."
@MistaSt0kes Ok, 7.62 vs 5.56 is not even close to the same power, but where you are REALLY wrong is with the deagle and m82 comparison. The deagle is .50ae whereas the m82 is .50bmg. The measurement is the diameter of the bullet at the widest point, but the .50bmg has I believe almost 5 times the powder than the .50ae. Compare the size of the two rounds and you will feel pretty dumb.
@terracrash999 that plate can do that, it wasn't rigged. I have a friend in group 8 and another in the state swat and we all did a test in similar fashion to this one except we tested all the diferent calibers glock can fire: .380, 9mm, .40, .10mm, .45acp, .45gap, .22 mag and the .17 hmr at 5 yards. 250 bullets were fired at the vest and it looked raggedy after wards but only one bullet got through and that was a .357 cast bullet at point blank into a preexisting bullet hole. I bought two :)
@rtmalibu03 Dragon Skin best if it isnt in high heat or low colds seen the videos of them failing that is the main reason the US military will not let there troops use them they also fail if they get oil on them starts breaking up the plates but for any normal day none high heat or what all I said they are the best out there
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@FreeLanceMerc Thats internet "wisdom" thats patently false. It might be cheaper for a Jihadist to just recruit another fighter but with the amount of money the US military spends on their troops a living solder with broken ribs is far preferable to a dead one. Not to mention how bad solders dying is for PR in the USA.
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hmm i have a SAPI plate from CIF issue, when i shot it with my it shattered it. and its supposed to be rated for 7.62mm rounds?? right.. i hope my new IOTV holds together in afghanistan in a couple of months.
If so, BAE/Armor Holdings/Safariland or maybe Point Blank/PACA/Pro-Tech would have bought DEFENDEX out by now. UHMWPE works and works well for MSC-AK, and at 3lbs works great for those operations were lead-core commercial hunting rounds are confronted. Post a link to the testing lab's certification letter that shows the 0101.06 compliance.
@FreeLanceMerc in terms of every other view im pretty sure not dying would be the preferred way to leave a war, also, in pretty sure you would be slightly more useful with a broken rib then as a corpse.
@FreeLanceMerc Big difference between penetrating transfer (no plate) and non-penetrating transfer. I'll take my chances with the latter over the former, any day. M16 62gr round approx muzzle energy 1270 ft-lbs, line drive hardball going 120 mph is about 200 ft-lbs. Seems believable one *could* survive the former and definitely the latter but hell it would hurt.
@demomanchaos Man, you are completely off. Firstly, the caliber of bullet and cartridge length do not determine whether a weapon is a rifle or assault rifle. Assault rifles are selective fire weapons, meaning that they have the capability of fully-automatic function. Secondly, The AK-47 fire the 7.62x*39*, not 31.
@SgtArmyGuy666 No hes actually right about the difference between an assault rifle and a full powered battle rifle because the rounds that assault rifles fire are of intermediate caliber and casing length, basically placing assault rifle cartridges in between full powered rifle rounds like .308 or 30-06 and pistol calibers.
look at the size of that shit! Who the fuck would want to wear that? I'll take the dragonskin and still be able to bend over and pick something up if I have to lol.
"Liquid Armor" is better and can buy all the chemicals you need off of Ebay. Soft Kevlar into Semi hard armor for dirt cheap compaired too the price of plates.
Soaking your kevlar in shear thickening fluids is a revolution in armor.
Research it, there are lots of video's and news reports/articles.
@akzo74 IT STOPS RIFLE ROUNDS! the reason rifle rounds get threw is because there shaped like a pick, rifle rounds dont have a flat nose like handgun or submachine gun ammunition usually does. Rifle rounds are always pointed and go right threw normal untreated Kevlar while the treated kevlar does not allow anything too get inbetween fibers. You can either learn how too make it yourself or wait 8 years for military/police surplus too hit civilian markets.
@ScientologySucksAss show me the video where it stops rifle rounds. Rifle rounds penetrate for more reasons than shape, they also travel twice as fast and steel core rounds are not going deform when it hits that stuff.
See Gentlemen Bad guys do not use your M855 Green tips nor do they use too mu h lead core AK-7.62x39mm..wolf CHEAP ASS AMMO WILL PUNCH RIGHT through that Dyneema plate..Hell I was stopping green tips with very light ceramic plates 8 years ago..LS system easily stops M-855 at muzzle velocity 10 ft..AKs mild steel core at 50 ft... soon I will able to stop M-80 .308 and M-855 @ 3.8 lbs square ft. LEVEL III...
@CBAsystems You do realize that the M855 was constructed to beat not only "light ceramic" plates but Russian titium/kevlar armor which was state of the art in the 80's? The 7.62x39 isn't going to punch through a Dyneema plate. Doc Roberts already ran a multiple hit test on these plates and 3 rounds in a inch group along with 3 .308, .45cal, 9mm, and 1 shotgun round all failed to penetrate. But the M855 punched through it fine. Go to lighterfighter to see the tests for yourself.
@brainplay Systems I have developed were not around in even the 1990s. LS Systems easily stopped M855 ie no ass behind that M16 round lotsof speed but no ass meaning no MASS. Plate that I hold made ARL roll their eyes and hit numerous times with APM2, Chinese Black tips, M855.....no penetration NONE...very little back face deformation, as well..Problem is NO MONEY in Body Armor so the damn thing could be from outerspace weigh in 1 pound and stop .50 cal AP rounds....NO Money in it...??$
@CBAsystems Well good for you. However I was commenting on your erroneous statements about the M855, not your science fiction armor. Trying to ignore how much speed contributes to armor penetration is naive especially from a self declare armor industry maker. Heavier doesn't equal better penetration except in non or loosely bonded items. Against armor a bigger fatter bullet will be a detriment more than a help.
@brainplay erroneous statement and science fiction huh try certified and passed long ago say hi to Craig at Chesapeake or maybe you test at USTL... try real working system.....again read my statement practically. I don;t care if you have a private office with dancing girls at The Pentagon?.... there is" NO MONEY" in Body Armor NONE!! so go ahead use all the Dyneema you want make them happy in N.C. and you plate maker you are wasting your time!
@akzo74 Never got one cause dumped body armor back in 2008,however my certification was LS Armor T-1000 series at USTL passed 100% in 2007. Still have the Tungsten penetrator which I personally un imbeded out of the system and still have it from the AP-M2s. The SS-109s hah! hell they never even passed thorught the first plate which was actually a Level III plate.Look I have tons of HB -50 and HB -25 ok it has it's purpose more in shielding than Body armor. Admit the plates TAC3s are impressive
@CBAsystems so I'm looking at your photobucket site and if you could clear some things up, you have welded aluminum faces (or so it looks) and I see kevlar weaves, your armor is pretty thick so I imagine unless it weighs 15lbs per sq. ft it's mostly kevlar weave and polycarbonate in there so why did you chose to weld around materials that are going to effectively vaporize or melt? If I'm looking at these totally wrong let me know.
@akzo74 OH my GOD ---Photobucket is just minor parts and my Level III which is so crude in encapuslted form and crude just for the groin testing was hit with Level III yes M-80 standard round 2800 FPS 50 ft faster for kicks. Standard distance into clay backing and weighed 2.5 lbs yes! still have it in fact the round still buried into the plate.,and the condura digital camo not even scratched, back face was 22mm so imagine the pain if soldier was hit with AK-47 at 25ft no fun with the wife huh
@CBAsystems so what are the actual dimensions of say a medium SAPI for your armor in terms of thickness and weight? And again why does your site say you're on the market 3 months ago if you dumped it 3 years ago?
@CBAsystems wait if you dumped the armor 3 years ago and stopped attending conferences why does your youtube site say your reps will be attending many conferences (ICACC was in Jan) as of 3 months ago? Does CBA make other things or what's going on?
Since when does the enemy shoot 5.56X45? LOL Let's try a few 7.62X39 or 7.63X54 then that will serve as proof this is a great product.
america2revolt 5 hours ago
unfortunately for them i use a .308, good luck stopping a 168gr FMJ at 2750fps. a little .223 55gr isnt going to do much damage to armor, the marines complained about the stopping power of it in iraq saying it was taking 3-4 hits sometimes to stop threats which is why the 6.8 is preferred. personal i like the 7.62x39 as a universal round for almost anything. the ballistics say it all.i wouldnt even deer hunt with a .223 yet alone want to trust my life to it.it makes a GREAT accurate target round
JDsgreatz28 1 week ago
@JDsgreatz28 Umm....the .308 is going to be stopped by this plate fairly easily. Don't confuse penetration of soft tissue with hard surface penetration. M855 5.56mm will out penetrate a standard .308 round thanks to it's hardened penetrator tip. Even older m197 5.56mm will beat out the .308. That's just physics. M855 can pen a steel helmet at 700m, while the .308 cannot. That was part of the test requirements when it was adopted.
brainplay 1 day ago
@brainplay im sure there is some .308 that will destroy that stuff. like the M948 or some m61 black tips. but from what it sounds if the bad guy is using armor piecing rounds your screwed.but all the derka derkas over in the middle east are probably using ak's with standard ammo thats 50 years old. the biggest round theyd have is like a 7.62x54r in a old rifle, id want to wear that stuff anyway, who knows they can still get lucky, IEDs are probably the killers anyway (cheating cowards).
JDsgreatz28 1 day ago
.223 = LOL round,
666Kudos 2 weeks ago
@666Kudos .223 through the brain stem = just as dead as 7.62x39 through brain stem
plus the ammo is way the hell lighter, making it more versatile for covering fire ect.
chubbs636 2 weeks ago
Why not just make a body armor chest plate ballistic that can stand against .50 caliber from Anti Material Rifle.
SilentEagles 3 weeks ago
@SilentEagles Why? That would be both incredibly heavy and the bad guys rarely use anything that big. If so it's always a mounted AA.
brainplay 3 weeks ago
@Alvinsprofile Actually, the Chinese type-95 fires .223/5.56mm NATO round. Not to start anything bu the Chinese have become a real contender in today's world. I would stop worrying about the Russians, and Taliban, and more about he Chinese and their allies.
USAirForceDominates 3 weeks ago
What about dragon skin?
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JohnBigmon 1 month ago
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MeatVision 1 month ago
Can a hollow point penetrate a Kevlar vest?
tom2000136 1 month ago
@tom2000136 Hollow points have less penetration capability than regular ball ammo because of their rapid expansion. But I can't answer your question unless you tell me what caliber and what protection level of vest.
chosen1162 1 month ago
now try with the minigun and see what will happen :D
kuko6ka 1 month ago
Ok for all your information.. If this can stop a Very Sharp 5.56 Round.. Traveling at 3400 fps. Then of corse it will stop the 7.62.39 Ak 47, Moving much slower, For Example A level 3 a vest mention to stop handgun Bullets Will stop a 9 mm +p+ going 1300 fps.. It will also stop. 357 sig going 1400 fps. So those are much smaller rounds. So of corse it will stop the 40 cal and 45
kguitar765 1 month ago
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@kguitar765
Kevlar works differently from ceramic plates.
My understanding is the way faster, thinner rounds like the 5.7 pierce kevlar is they are traveling fast and have a thin profile that pierces and expands the gaps between the kevlar fibers, whereas a more round-tipped projectile like a 9mm will be caught in the fibers and the force will dissipate enough that it won't be able to pierce the kevlar in spite of being a more powerful round than the 5.7
Redfingers 1 month ago
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@kguitar765 Everybody knows M16 have less penetration because its light mass, havent you ever seen when someone compared M16 vs AK-47 with cinderblocks or wood?
gorgonzo1a 4 weeks ago
if nobody will wear it during testing ........
jicey420 1 month ago
does it spread out the force of the bullet? If it doesnt than thats one useless shit because the force would kill the person instead of the bullet
MrBowwowman 1 month ago
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A 5.56 or a 7.62x39 will not have the kinetic energy to kill a person due to blunt force trauma if fully stopped.
People have survived being hit with those rounds when fully stopped by a ballistic vest.
Redfingers 1 month ago
how did i get hear from skyrim
TheTheepicduck 1 month ago
well it defends against friendly fire lol
michaelmyers764 1 month ago 3
lets see it take a hit from 7.62x54 r :)
warriorofsteel01 1 month ago 2
EVERY1 shut up -_- 5.56 is faster bullet which tumbles and brakes up inside the human body , 7.62 is a slow bullet which cuts through the human body fully , they both can do around the same type of damage to a human body ... since the 7.62 is giong slower by the time it goes through some objects it slows down till it does smaller damage
vkigo3 1 month ago
@vkigo3 Everybody knows M16 have less penetration because its light mass, havent you ever seen when someone compared M16 vs AK-47 with cinderblocks or wood?
gorgonzo1a 4 weeks ago
@gorgonzo1a and they are slower there is one vid were the a guy was shot at by an ak and was able to move but later on he was shot by and m16 and was down in milli sec, and yes i know 7.62 is bigger and goes through more but you dont want your shot giong through and enemy then a civilian usa is a nation fighting guerrillas we need a smaller round :P m16 all day
vkigo3 3 weeks ago
@gorgonzo1a ciderblocks and wood are way different than steel, ceramics, or concrete. Cinderblocks and wood are porous and are affected by the mass where as non-porous material like steel or ceramic are affected by energy and cross section. The 7.62x39 and the 7.62 NATO are thicker and require more to push energy to literally drill through while the 5.56mm is thinner and has less resistance. Wood and cinder just split apart as their binding is weak.
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Slickteez1 1 month ago
Hes a good shot nice groupings.
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I should have worn one of those, when i took an arrow to the knee
Logan508cp 1 month ago
he should have been using penetration
chubbychasee69 2 months ago
Since when have bad guys been using the .223 round? I'd like to see how well it performs agains the 7.62x39.
Alvinsprofile 2 months ago 48
@Alvinsprofile There was a pretty decent amount of insurgents using captured or bought American type of weaponry, the 7.62 is a larger round, but if this can take 63 5.56 rounds....I think it could take at least a couple 7.62, coming out of an old AK, shitty ammo just in general, would be suprised if it's jacketed.
NTmayne 2 months ago
@Alvinsprofile if they have a galil arm
TripleOGM8 1 month ago
@Alvinsprofile The plates we use are MAINLY used for counteraction to friendly fire... Some do have plates to counteract 7.62, but most are to defeat the 5.56
xethanxflipsburgers 1 month ago
@Alvinsprofile 5.56 and 7.62x39 have similiar ballistics at close range
icdbko32 1 month ago
@icdbko32 well the 7.62x39 hits a bit harder but you'll find anything certified to stop 5.56 will also stop 7.62x39. try a 7.62 nato, much better;)
icdbko32 1 month ago
@Alvinsprofile
It will poke through like Tofu.AK47 will shatter the vest.
fgah 1 month ago
@Alvinsprofile It's more along the lines of how it is going to hold up against AP rounds which are starting to become more and more common on the battlefield.
Snado 1 month ago
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@Snado
AP rounds are just steel core, and penetration is more a matter of kinetic energy, which in the case of a 5.56....you've gotta understand, level IV ceramic plates can withstand up to a 7.62x51 NATO, which has roughly double the kinetic energy of a 5.56.
There's a point where it doesn't matter what your bullet is made out of, it's just not powerful enough to pierce the most resilient of bullet proof vests.
Redfingers 1 month ago
@Alvinsprofile AK74s are actually more popular than 47s and they fire 5.45 ammo. which is smaller.
USAirsofTeam 1 month ago
@Alvinsprofile Ever since Vietnam.
Imakeplanesboom 1 month ago
@Alvinsprofile yea try that he will never be safe from a 7.62x39
adifishing 1 month ago
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@adifishing
Most level III rated ceramic plates are proof- tested against both a 5.56 and a 7.62x39.
As a matter of fact the standard issue ceramic plates for US infantrymen can withstand a 7.62x39, and there are soldiers who have been shot in their body armor with an AK-47 and survived because the ceramic plate withstood the 7.62x39 round.
Redfingers 1 month ago
@Alvinsprofile
2 things,
1) Military issue m16 use 5.56 rounds. They're similar, but not the same as .223 rounds. 5.56 rounds have a higher velocity, so we stopped using the .223s a while ago
2) 7.62x39 rounds are actually easier to stop than a faster, and thinner round like the .223 or the 5.56.
Poptart133g 1 month ago
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@Poptart133g
I seriously doubt that the 7.62x39 is easier to stop than a 5.56, considering that it pulls so much more kinetic energy. The 5.56 actually doesn't have that thin of a profile, it's ballistic coefficient kind of sucks balls.
However, I do know that the ultra-aerodynamic 6.5 Grendel outperforms the 7.62 NATO in penetration tests in spite of being a lower-powered round, so there is some truth to that in principle.
Redfingers 1 month ago
@Poptart133g Physics called...they'd like to have a conversation with you.
valakin 4 weeks ago
@Alvinsprofile You have heard of Homeland Security? They use 5.56 and run a lot of concentration camps soon to be filled with your family and friends.
needparalegal 4 weeks ago
@Alvinsprofile Who said this is developed for Americans.
JavaLuCpp 3 weeks ago
@Alvinsprofile 5.56 has a better chance of going through
69Chaseman42 3 weeks ago
@Alvinsprofile why not go even bigger? why not the 7.62x51 the light machine guns use
weenershnitzel336 3 weeks ago
@weenershnitzel336 less penetration through hard armor. Remember that bigger isn't always better. While a bigger round may do more soft tissue damage purely due to size, it's penetration of non-porous materials isn't necessarily increased. The M855 5.56mm can penetrate a helmet further out than a 7.62 NATO and was intended to punch through early Russian body armor that the 7.62 NATO could not.
brainplay 3 weeks ago
@Alvinsprofile
The Military doesn't even use .223. .223 is something Remington manufactures to sell to the rednecks down at your local Wal Mart.
WunderDoob 3 weeks ago
@WunderDoob LOL 223 was started by Remington, lots of manufacture makes it from American Eagle, to Federal Express, to Winchester, to MFS, Wolf, Norinco lots of them do.
kullwarrior 3 weeks ago
@kullwarrior
How did I know that would be the next comment from the nearest lurking troll ?
I was going to backspace and say, "created" but I was too lazy, because I just don't give a shit what some 12 year old has to say about it.
WunderDoob 3 weeks ago
@WunderDoob Wow you're stupid. .223 is just a slightly weaker 5.56x45NATO. It's okay to shoot .223 through a 5.56 barrel, but not as safe to shoot 5.56 through a .223.
BlakMayo44 2 weeks ago
@BlakMayo44
Thanks for reconfirming what I've already stated. Unfortunately I do not require a secretary at this time and you will not be paid for your services.
WunderDoob 2 weeks ago
@WunderDoob It's fine. I'm not-for-profit anyways.
BlakMayo44 2 weeks ago
@Alvinsprofile 7.62 is relatively a easy round to stop because its slow, 223 is faster thus harder to stop. If anything that would prove armor is extremly capable it would be 7.62X54R APM1. Alot of Level IV can't even catch that.
kullwarrior 3 weeks ago
@Alvinsprofile
Because probably 90% of kevlar layer and steel plate body armor out there can already stop a 7.62x39mm round. It still delivers enough energy to break bones and do some internal hemmoraging but it will not penetrate. 5.56x45mm will go straight through every time. The body armor being tested here appears to use a different composition material to actually slow the round down and "catch" it.
WunderDoob 2 weeks ago
@Alvinsprofile or a .50???????
GaNgStAr646 1 week ago
BUT THE QUESTION IS WILL IT BLEND !
sharkc100 2 months ago 48
@sharkc100 I HOPE NOT !
LlamaGawd 1 month ago
Test it with AK because that is what matters
gorgonzo1a 2 months ago 2
@gorgonzo1a 762 nato matters more
NITECOREPD 2 months ago
@NITECOREPD like if nato troops would shoot at americans?
gorgonzo1a 2 months ago
@gorgonzo1a Nato troops? lol im talking about the bullet itself lmao!!!
NITECOREPD 1 month ago
test it against an ak
meemo7290 2 months ago
LOOKS LIKE A GRAVESTONE
007bondspy 2 months ago
Sadly... many militants that our troops face use "Psychological Body-Armor" They often have been known to use women+Children as cover, to prey on the moral conscious of our troops. Who needs body armor if you can prevent getting shot at in the first place.
Orangebike666 2 months ago
What is this plate made out of? Good god... Dragon Skin is cool, but good luck getting your hands on it if you're a civilian. This Defend-x plate seems pretty badass.
Ganjisgreat 2 months ago
@Ganjisgreat The Defendx stuff is made from composite and Dyneema. They also have a version that floats or is at least buoyant neutral. There's a video of it on youtube where they drop it in a fishtank and it floats back up.
brainplay 2 months ago
its an m16 of course it wouldnt go through its a small ass round try the m14
mastercheif98612 2 months ago
Let's see you put that on top of a grenade... Real test
rtmalibu03 2 months ago
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SS-109 Penetrators? Really?
If so, BAE/Armor Holdings/Safariland or maybe Point Blank/PACA/Pro-Tech would have bought DEFENDEX out by now. UHMWPE works and works well for MSC-AK, and at 3lbs works great for those operations where lead-core commercial hunting rounds are confronted. Post a link to the testing lab's certification letter that shows the 0101.06 compliance.
atttactical 2 months ago
Damn, I wanted to see a man shot 63 times with an m16 on full auto :(
MrMapex2010 2 months ago
I want body armor that can withstand against 9mm rounds from Pistols to .50 caliber to anti material rifle. There are body armor vest that can't withstand with .50 caliber.
SilentEagles 2 months ago
So what if this best armor stop 5.56x45mm. Guess what the Taliban and Al-Qaeda doesn't use M16 or M4. They are using AK-47/Type 56 which fire 7.62x39mm. Dragonskin body armor is better than Interceptor body armor, Improved Outer Tactical Vest, (IOTV), & Modular Tactical Vest MTV.
SilentEagles 2 months ago
@SilentEagles 7.62x39 doesn't penetrate hard plate nor ballistic materials as well as 5.56mm. The 7.62x39 can break up cinder block and penetrate weak fibrous like tree stumps due to it's mass. But against solid materials such as metal, ceramics, or solid brick it doesn't do so well where as the 5.56mm was designed to penetrate Russian body armor. Also, Dragonskin sucks for anything outside of controlled conditions.
brainplay 2 months ago
@brainplay that's a lie....Dragonskin uses impact deflection, which is highly effective in a controlled condition as well as in the field..
Meatlooaf 2 months ago
@Meatlooaf Impact deflection? You do realize that the term you just used really means shooting it at an angle? Dragonskin works by having dozens of smaller plates overlapping. This creates a flexible but much thicker and heavier overall plate. It does nothing that a monolithic plate already does other than cost more and be more complex to replace/fix. Those that bought into the hype promptly sold off their armor (see Fresno,CA. SWAT).
brainplay 2 months ago
Yes, but it offers increased mobility and superior protection....at least with modern counterparts. and i didn't mean deflection even if i said deflection...i mean it spreads the kinetic energy over a larger surface, and forces the bullets to topple over, which in term makes them pulverize..and stops the Impact itself from killing you...
Meatlooaf 2 months ago
@Meatlooaf flexible armor would not allow better energy spreading (rigid structures transmit waves faster) and you don't get pulverization from tumbling of the bullet, you get it from grinding down into the cominuted region of the ceramic, which would mean those discs would have to be destroyed in the process.
akzo74 2 months ago
@akzo74 it's been proven very effective, why argue?
Meatlooaf 2 months ago
@Meatlooaf because giving made up reasons for it's effectiveness is misleading to people who actually want to understand how armor works...
akzo74 2 months ago
@akzo74 well, what makes you an expert, sir?
Meatlooaf 2 months ago
@Meatlooaf i'm a material science engineer.
akzo74 2 months ago
@akzo74 fine, i still believe that dragonskin works, since it has been proven by future weapons, and by other sources.
Meatlooaf 2 months ago
@Meatlooaf it's been proven by future weapons as a lvl III armor not the lvl IV required by the military.
akzo74 2 months ago
@akzo74 level 3? what happened to level 5?
Meatlooaf 2 months ago
@Meatlooaf future weapons didn't test their lvl V, and the show that supposedly did didn't weigh it.
akzo74 2 months ago
@akzo74 fair enough, i rest my case
Meatlooaf 2 months ago
@brainplay I kind of find that hard to believe about the 5.56 being a better body armor piercer than 7.62x39. Where might I find some proof of that? I'm not trying to be a smart ass, just a healthy sceptic.
zacthebold 2 months ago
@zacthebold Well this isn't too hard to find. The first place you should look is at the NATO SS-109 specifications. This is what up until just this year we crafted ALL of our 5.56mm according to those standards. It was designed to penetrate Russian body armor from the 80's and out perform helmet penetration tests of by the 7.62x39 and 7.62x51 NATO rounds at long range. It has a steel penetrator as standard. All military 5.56mm do. The 7.62x39 only contains soft steel, for cost. Continued..
brainplay 2 months ago
@zacthebold The Russian body armor at the time was a 3mm titanium plate with a kevlar backing. Very similar to ours but with an inferior plate. 7.62x39 could not penetrate it while 5.56mm could penetrate. DocCKR has been doing ballistic plate tests on Lightfighter for years now. The only plates to really fail reliably were Dyneema plates as shown above to M855. All 7.62x39 and 7.62NATO were stopped by it. We can move on to basic physics but this should be good enough.
brainplay 2 months ago
@brainplay Hmm... so it isn't the caliber, but the way in which each happen to have been made. Are there any 7.62x39 with a harder steel core than is standard? What about 5.45x39? I think those have a steel core of some kind.
zacthebold 2 months ago
@zacthebold Not as a standard round. All Russian military bullets are steel cored. But it's soft mild steel since mild steel is cheaper. The Russians do have armor piercing rounds but those are specialty rounds and not standard issue. Our M855 and M855a1 rounds all contain the hardened penetrator and are standard issue. We also have a special armor piercing round called the M995 which can beat even these plates but like the Russian counterpart is special issue only.
brainplay 2 months ago
but most hadjis dont have m16's that shoot 5.56, they got ak's that shoot 7.62
AzNFudgeman 2 months ago
5:59 What did he say? =D
TheCrazyFinn 3 months ago
that is some very good shooting.
MrDrasLeona 3 months ago
@BeigarthTV Ballistics is really hard, its odd because most of the time things that are faster seem to be more powerful. Think about it this way a 9mm goes faster so it is more of a piercing blow and a smaller wound hence why when shoot someone it doesn't have to much push power on the target. When the bullet goes slower like a 45 but is heavier it might not penetrate as much but all the weight and heavy impact since it is going slower on contact dissipates and causes a huge amount of knockdown
AquaAnim 3 months ago
@BeigarthTV Sorry if i sounded like an ass just trying to inform you bud.
AquaAnim 3 months ago
@BeigarthTV Yes of course the 9mm is faster, you said that it is more powerful than a 45 which is extremely false. You put on body armor let me shoot you with a 9mm and then a 45 and you will believe me. Hence why when you fire a 9mm you only get 4 inches of penetration in ballistic jelly were as with 45 you get 5 inches. Since the 45 is heavier and bigger and slower upon contact with a human it releases ALL its energy into the body unlike a 9mm. Not to mention kinetic energy.
AquaAnim 3 months ago
i second that, round number eight penetrated...
daBAYisBACK 3 months ago
@BeigarthTV Were in the hell did you hear that the 9mm has more power than 45 acp?
AquaAnim 3 months ago
Mithril as fuhhh
sickel101 3 months ago
you are full of suprises...Mr. Baggins :3
dadrummer007 3 months ago
2:02 dirt rolls down hill after after 8'th round goes through vest.
hack2makelivesbetter 3 months ago
@hack2makelivesbetter It didn't go through the vest, they showed the back side. It was spalling from the side. They even explained it.
lksteve 3 months ago
@akzo74 Ok ok joule is a measure for energy, are you happy now?
Andy36015 3 months ago
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Andy36015 3 months ago
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@akzo74 However, the fact remains that for convenience, the power of a weapon is measured in joules.
If you don't believe me, go and see with your eyes.
Andy36015 3 months ago
@Andy36015 what does convenience have to do with it? Why say power then instead of energy, how is it more convenient to be wrong? And as for this supposed majority belief, out of the hundreds of peer reviewed papers on ballistic performance of different rounds find me ONE that defines power with joules.
akzo74 3 months ago
@akzo74 And how do you measure power? with bananas?
Andy36015 3 months ago
@Andy36015 joules per second, joules is for energy, if you're going to compare power you need to know the time over which the bullets energy is imparted.
akzo74 3 months ago
The ammo used in this test is M855, which uses an SS109 bullet. These bullets were designed to penetrate armor better than M80 (7.62x51). Hands down 7.62x51 is a lot more powerful and capable of more penetration than 7.62x39.
Level III armor is tested to successfully stop many common centerfire rifle rounds, but some designs have trouble with armor penetrating ammo(not piercing).
Any non-armor piercing AK round is going to have a real hard time getting through this plate.
AngeredKabar 3 months ago
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The ammo tested is the M855 which uses an SS109 bullet. These bullets were designed to penetrate armor better than M80 which is a regular 7.62x51 NATO round. Level III body armor is tested to stop multiple 7.62x51 NATO hits.
Saying it can't stop AK rounds is ridiculous. Level III will stop just about every non-armor piercing centerfire rifle round used by any military on earth. Some Level III plates can have trouble with fast rounds like 5.56 though, but obviously not this one.
AngeredKabar 3 months ago
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The ammo tested is the M855 which uses an SS109 bullet. These bullets were designed to penetrate armor better than M80 which is a regular 7.62x51 NATO round. Level III body armor is tested to stop multiple 7.62x51 NATO hits.
Saying it can't stop AK rounds is ridiculous. Level III will stop just about every non-armor piercing centerfire rifle round used by any military on earth. Some Level III plates can have trouble with fast rounds like 5.56 though, but obviously not this one.
AngeredKabar 3 months ago
The ammo tested is the M855 which uses an SS109 bullet. These bullets were designed to penetrate armor better than M80 which is a regular 7.62x51 NATO round. Level III body armor is tested to stop multiple 7.62x51 NATO hits.
Saying it can't stop AK rounds is ridiculous. Level III will stop just about every non-armor piercing centerfire rifle round used by any military on earth. Some Level III plates can have trouble with fast rounds like 5.56 though, but obviously not this one.
AngeredKabar 3 months ago
Glad they spend our money on this instead of curing diseases.
AustralianAllTheWay 3 months ago
@AustralianAllTheWay
... what? :D
EdTheBadass 3 months ago
@MistaSt0kes AK-47; 7.62x39 power=2050 Joule / M16; 5.56x45 power= 1750 Joule
300 Joule of difference are not at the same power.
Andy36015 4 months ago
@Andy36015 power isn't measured in joules...
akzo74 4 months ago
@akzo74
YEA!
it is measured in m3
EdTheBadass 3 months ago
7.62x39 and 5.56x45 have just about the same power. Saying that the AK 47 is more powerful is like saying, "Desert Eagle= .50 and M82= .50, so they are equal in power."
MistaSt0kes 4 months ago
@MistaSt0kes Ok, 7.62 vs 5.56 is not even close to the same power, but where you are REALLY wrong is with the deagle and m82 comparison. The deagle is .50ae whereas the m82 is .50bmg. The measurement is the diameter of the bullet at the widest point, but the .50bmg has I believe almost 5 times the powder than the .50ae. Compare the size of the two rounds and you will feel pretty dumb.
Airsoftguy1313 3 months ago
Anyone else notice the dirt being disturbed behind the target.....
and the convenient camera breaks between the front shot of plate to the back?
terracrash999 4 months ago
@terracrash999 that plate can do that, it wasn't rigged. I have a friend in group 8 and another in the state swat and we all did a test in similar fashion to this one except we tested all the diferent calibers glock can fire: .380, 9mm, .40, .10mm, .45acp, .45gap, .22 mag and the .17 hmr at 5 yards. 250 bullets were fired at the vest and it looked raggedy after wards but only one bullet got through and that was a .357 cast bullet at point blank into a preexisting bullet hole. I bought two :)
yougot90hot 4 months ago
I need 5 of this for my CS team ^^
Arlekhine 4 months ago
AK would have beaten it. But it would have taken a LOT longer to actually hit it with one
SkooledINC 4 months ago
Dragon Skin.. best
rtmalibu03 4 months ago 22
@rtmalibu03 Dragon Skin best if it isnt in high heat or low colds seen the videos of them failing that is the main reason the US military will not let there troops use them they also fail if they get oil on them starts breaking up the plates but for any normal day none high heat or what all I said they are the best out there
timw421 3 months ago
@rtmalibu03
actually, it is not manufactured anymore because the dragon skin messes up in different climates
asiangangzter 3 months ago
@rtmalibu03 its not dragon skin
AlexandarProdaction 3 months ago
@rtmalibu03 Dragons: better.
rebootedsharpshooter 2 months ago
Thumbs up if you thumbs up'd the top comment before watching the video
Dinglebag 4 months ago
I wonder how the blunt force trauma is on this?
WDPlumbing 4 months ago
Midwest Armor makes a plate that can do the same thing, but weighs less than 4 pounds and has a shelf life of 10 years. What does this one weigh?
Drazdur 4 months ago
This is great, but lets see it as a fullbody exosuit and then I'll be impressed.
LukeHand16 5 months ago
...that was the most boring thing i ever watched on youtube. Great applications though. Well done!
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tusdaymorninginsept 5 months ago
@FreeLanceMerc Thats internet "wisdom" thats patently false. It might be cheaper for a Jihadist to just recruit another fighter but with the amount of money the US military spends on their troops a living solder with broken ribs is far preferable to a dead one. Not to mention how bad solders dying is for PR in the USA.
bp968 5 months ago
@bp968 On an added note, the benefits paid to the family of a deceased soldier for the remainder of their lives is far more than what they would and the soldier would receive over a 6 year contract.
KennedyBAJ 4 months ago
hmm i have a SAPI plate from CIF issue, when i shot it with my it shattered it. and its supposed to be rated for 7.62mm rounds?? right.. i hope my new IOTV holds together in afghanistan in a couple of months.
zchats 6 months ago
SS-109 Penetrators? Really?
If so, BAE/Armor Holdings/Safariland or maybe Point Blank/PACA/Pro-Tech would have bought DEFENDEX out by now. UHMWPE works and works well for MSC-AK, and at 3lbs works great for those operations were lead-core commercial hunting rounds are confronted. Post a link to the testing lab's certification letter that shows the 0101.06 compliance.
atttactical 6 months ago
@FreeLanceMerc in terms of every other view im pretty sure not dying would be the preferred way to leave a war, also, in pretty sure you would be slightly more useful with a broken rib then as a corpse.
JoRdIkEnNeDy 6 months ago
@FreeLanceMerc Big difference between penetrating transfer (no plate) and non-penetrating transfer. I'll take my chances with the latter over the former, any day. M16 62gr round approx muzzle energy 1270 ft-lbs, line drive hardball going 120 mph is about 200 ft-lbs. Seems believable one *could* survive the former and definitely the latter but hell it would hurt.
videotater 6 months ago
Pounds per Square Foot?
Thinness?
NIJ 0101.06 Certified
Backface Signiture for the NIJ Test rounds?
V0-V50 for the NIJ Test rounds?
Major Agencies currently wearing this model?
Crono Results of demonstrated rounds?
atttactical 6 months ago
@demomanchaos Man, you are completely off. Firstly, the caliber of bullet and cartridge length do not determine whether a weapon is a rifle or assault rifle. Assault rifles are selective fire weapons, meaning that they have the capability of fully-automatic function. Secondly, The AK-47 fire the 7.62x*39*, not 31.
SgtArmyGuy666 6 months ago
@SgtArmyGuy666 No hes actually right about the difference between an assault rifle and a full powered battle rifle because the rounds that assault rifles fire are of intermediate caliber and casing length, basically placing assault rifle cartridges in between full powered rifle rounds like .308 or 30-06 and pistol calibers.
SaintCarnifex 6 months ago
@SaintCarnifex Correct, however he said "assault rifles" and "rifles", with no mention of "battle rifles".
SgtArmyGuy666 6 months ago
@SgtArmyGuy666 very good point lol
SaintCarnifex 6 months ago
look at the size of that shit! Who the fuck would want to wear that? I'll take the dragonskin and still be able to bend over and pick something up if I have to lol.
falsehopehero 6 months ago in playlist BOTZ
Why is this unbelievable? Im not even impressed.
CannabisCorporation 6 months ago
Anyone can be a new age armor smith thanks too Sheer thickening fluids and Kevlar.
ScientologySucksAss 6 months ago
"Liquid Armor" is better and can buy all the chemicals you need off of Ebay. Soft Kevlar into Semi hard armor for dirt cheap compaired too the price of plates.
Soaking your kevlar in shear thickening fluids is a revolution in armor.
Research it, there are lots of video's and news reports/articles.
Everyone can do this, its easy.
ScientologySucksAss 6 months ago
@ScientologySucksAss but it doesn't stop rifle rounds...
akzo74 6 months ago
@akzo74 IT STOPS RIFLE ROUNDS! the reason rifle rounds get threw is because there shaped like a pick, rifle rounds dont have a flat nose like handgun or submachine gun ammunition usually does. Rifle rounds are always pointed and go right threw normal untreated Kevlar while the treated kevlar does not allow anything too get inbetween fibers. You can either learn how too make it yourself or wait 8 years for military/police surplus too hit civilian markets.
ScientologySucksAss 6 months ago
@ScientologySucksAss show me the video where it stops rifle rounds. Rifle rounds penetrate for more reasons than shape, they also travel twice as fast and steel core rounds are not going deform when it hits that stuff.
akzo74 6 months ago
See Gentlemen Bad guys do not use your M855 Green tips nor do they use too mu h lead core AK-7.62x39mm..wolf CHEAP ASS AMMO WILL PUNCH RIGHT through that Dyneema plate..Hell I was stopping green tips with very light ceramic plates 8 years ago..LS system easily stops M-855 at muzzle velocity 10 ft..AKs mild steel core at 50 ft... soon I will able to stop M-80 .308 and M-855 @ 3.8 lbs square ft. LEVEL III...
CBAsystems 6 months ago
@CBAsystems You do realize that the M855 was constructed to beat not only "light ceramic" plates but Russian titium/kevlar armor which was state of the art in the 80's? The 7.62x39 isn't going to punch through a Dyneema plate. Doc Roberts already ran a multiple hit test on these plates and 3 rounds in a inch group along with 3 .308, .45cal, 9mm, and 1 shotgun round all failed to penetrate. But the M855 punched through it fine. Go to lighterfighter to see the tests for yourself.
brainplay 6 months ago
@brainplay Systems I have developed were not around in even the 1990s. LS Systems easily stopped M855 ie no ass behind that M16 round lotsof speed but no ass meaning no MASS. Plate that I hold made ARL roll their eyes and hit numerous times with APM2, Chinese Black tips, M855.....no penetration NONE...very little back face deformation, as well..Problem is NO MONEY in Body Armor so the damn thing could be from outerspace weigh in 1 pound and stop .50 cal AP rounds....NO Money in it...??$
CBAsystems 6 months ago
@CBAsystems Well good for you. However I was commenting on your erroneous statements about the M855, not your science fiction armor. Trying to ignore how much speed contributes to armor penetration is naive especially from a self declare armor industry maker. Heavier doesn't equal better penetration except in non or loosely bonded items. Against armor a bigger fatter bullet will be a detriment more than a help.
brainplay 6 months ago
@brainplay erroneous statement and science fiction huh try certified and passed long ago say hi to Craig at Chesapeake or maybe you test at USTL... try real working system.....again read my statement practically. I don;t care if you have a private office with dancing girls at The Pentagon?.... there is" NO MONEY" in Body Armor NONE!! so go ahead use all the Dyneema you want make them happy in N.C. and you plate maker you are wasting your time!
CBAsystems 6 months ago
@CBAsystems what's the patent number for your armor?
akzo74 6 months ago
@akzo74 Never got one cause dumped body armor back in 2008,however my certification was LS Armor T-1000 series at USTL passed 100% in 2007. Still have the Tungsten penetrator which I personally un imbeded out of the system and still have it from the AP-M2s. The SS-109s hah! hell they never even passed thorught the first plate which was actually a Level III plate.Look I have tons of HB -50 and HB -25 ok it has it's purpose more in shielding than Body armor. Admit the plates TAC3s are impressive
CBAsystems 6 months ago
@CBAsystems so I'm looking at your photobucket site and if you could clear some things up, you have welded aluminum faces (or so it looks) and I see kevlar weaves, your armor is pretty thick so I imagine unless it weighs 15lbs per sq. ft it's mostly kevlar weave and polycarbonate in there so why did you chose to weld around materials that are going to effectively vaporize or melt? If I'm looking at these totally wrong let me know.
akzo74 6 months ago
@akzo74 OH my GOD ---Photobucket is just minor parts and my Level III which is so crude in encapuslted form and crude just for the groin testing was hit with Level III yes M-80 standard round 2800 FPS 50 ft faster for kicks. Standard distance into clay backing and weighed 2.5 lbs yes! still have it in fact the round still buried into the plate.,and the condura digital camo not even scratched, back face was 22mm so imagine the pain if soldier was hit with AK-47 at 25ft no fun with the wife huh
CBAsystems 6 months ago
@CBAsystems so what are the actual dimensions of say a medium SAPI for your armor in terms of thickness and weight? And again why does your site say you're on the market 3 months ago if you dumped it 3 years ago?
akzo74 6 months ago
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CBAsystems 6 months ago
@CBAsystems and was anyone from CBA at ICACC this year?
akzo74 6 months ago
@akzo74 Stoipped attending just about all shows,conferances except Shot Show in Vegas or Modern Day Marine...
CBAsystems 6 months ago
@CBAsystems wait if you dumped the armor 3 years ago and stopped attending conferences why does your youtube site say your reps will be attending many conferences (ICACC was in Jan) as of 3 months ago? Does CBA make other things or what's going on?
akzo74 6 months ago