@somewhereatsea1 it is very rude to talk to people the way you do. Instead of opening your mouth I think you should watch some documentaries and do a bit of research on factory farming or just watch documentaries on food in general such as DIVE, forks over spoons, food inc and earthinglings and then think about what you said and come back and still talk the shit you do. And if you do I feel insanely sorry for you! Lots of love-3 xoxo
Dear insane liar bitch- practice what you preach and since you think animals have more right to life then men, kill yourself immediately coward practice what you preach. Not only would your crazy ass being dead be great for enviroment and save water air landfill space for sane humans, one less animal worshipping lying insane bitch would be best thing for hman race possible. Shut fuck up liar crazy bitch.
Dear insane liar bitch- practice what you preach and since you think animals have more right to life then men, kill yourself immediately coward practice what you preach. Not only would your crazy ass being dead be great for enviroment and save water air landfill space for sane humans, one less animal worshipping lying insane bitch would be best thing for hman race possible. Shut fuck up liar crazy bitch.
@haridham Why do you People always assume Meat eaters Are Guilty? I eat Red meat and can Clearly say I have Never Felt Guilty! We are omnivores We can do Both!
@scooterdod "Why do you People always assume Meat eaters Are Guilty? I eat Red meat and can Clearly say I have Never Felt Guilty! We are omnivores We can do Both!"
You misunderstood the context in which I meant guilty. Please check out my videos where I explain what I mean. Just because we think we are omnivores and can do both doesnt mean we should.
@scooterdod The saying, "What we can do and what we should do are very different things." comes to mind here. We all CAN abuse and kill when we don't need to for survival, but we don't have to and we shouldn't. We SHOULD try to make the world a better place for all living things to exist. Have you ever thought about the fact that your red meat came from a cow that died when YOU could made the choice to not give your money to those killing him or that milk came from a cow whose baby goes without?
@abcdefwoo1234 NO I don't feel Any of those thing's.... and why I don't ? Because it is natural! It is ok To eatd "RED MEAT" !!! Ok First define Abuse for me. Not wiki or a google defination. Because your kind likes to throw those words around alot along with murder! You think of it how you want Ill sit here and eat Mt steak and Veggies.. See I get the best of both world's...And if it is Unhealthy like you say why don't the AFDA Get Involved??Hmmmm!..
@scooterdod Why don't they get involved? Easy. Culture and Money. The meat and dairy industry are rich. Money makes a lot of the decisions already with policies, why wouldn't it with an obvious consumer market like food? However, there is some headway being made. I refer you to works by Dr. Neal Bernard, Dr. T. Colin Campbell, and Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn. Just showing you some people. Give them a listen or don't. *shrugs*
@scooterdod And just because you have "NEVER FELT GUILTY" doesn't mean that guilt isn't there. Just like a disease...infesting the minds of billions of adults who then pass in on to their children.
a few simple laws would greatly improve the animals like human rights or whatever it is u want. but a few simle laws could definetley improve the quality of meat and therfore make it an actualy healthy thing (like it once was...thousands of years ago). anyways good for you for trying to make the world a better place.
While I am opposed to cruel and unusual treatment of anamals like that you have to remember that not all farming is factory farming, I would know I worked on one of those small scale farms, and no it was not going broke, their beef and eggs sold for a premium because they did not have any hormones in them, see even meat eaters have a soul LOL
@nhaislip781 - "sustainable farming?!!!" If all the billions upon billions of animals that gluttonous carnists feel entitled to eat were raised with high welfare standards... it just is totally impossible. There is physically no space. Example: there are 27000000 pigs in Germany, 7.8 times the population of Berlin. Do you want more forest to be cleared? Stop kidding yourself. And slaughter is the ultimate abuse of welfare. Abbatoirs kill thousands daily. It takes several painful minutes to die.
@scooma1 - if you are worried about top soil depletion, know that the vast majority of the world's plant harvest is FED TO LIVESTOCK. They aren't all outside grazing. We have already run out of land, causing grain prices to rise, thus causing world hunger. There is physically not enough land left to raise livestock naturally outside. BTW grazing CAUSES desertification, not cures it. Your posts are nothing more than sophistry. Educate yourself.
Veganism is the goal we promote. Promoting higher welfare standards and higher welfare products where animals are still killed for human consumption is not what an honest vegan will support.
@scooma1 I haven't read the whole book myself but this isn't the only book with this data. It's well established among nutritionists that diets high in saturated fat and cholesterol found in animal products are bad for your health. There's countless sources I really don't think I need to go to the trouble of listing them, people can google these topics.
@MrVeggieman11 Please note that I am in complete agreement that factory farming is a travesty that needs to be stopped, and I'm not saying that you being vegan is wrong. I am just pointing out that it is not the only answer to our problems, and there is much more to your side than just "go vegan. It will fix everything". There is still soil health issues caused by modern agriculture, vegan or not.
@MrVeggieman11 Also, many direct studies have shown that pasture farms and particularly mixed animal/crops sustainable farming has a positive effect on the environment, especially soil. There are seriously thousands, look it up. While you're at it google "Changes in Food Composition Data for 43 Garden Plants, 1950 - 1999" and then tell me with a straight face that everyone going vegan is the answer to our soil health. We need sustainable farming, whether you are vegan or not.
@MrVeggieman11 In his defense, even T Colin Campbell has stated that the China Study itself was observational in nature and therefore doesn't provide direct links, the book was only his experience.
@MrVeggieman11 I have read the China Study, vegan propaganda, only one chapter has anything to do with the actual study, I prefer In Defense of Food, and books like that.
@wanderingivie So many reasons to go vegan: It takes an enormous amount of resources to produce animal products compared to plant foods, which badly degrades the environment. You reduce your chances from heart disease and cancer from 50% to about 4 or 5% by giving up animal products. For every hen someone gets from a hatchery so they can supply eggs for them, a rooster was killed...
I don't demand every cage be bigger, I demand every cage be empty!
@MrVeggieman11 Do you have proof of the statement that giving up animal products will reduce your chance of heart disease and cancer? No observational studies please as they do not show any direct links. I am betting that you don't, no one has yet.
@MrVeggieman11 And how much petroleum do you think is used to grow corn and wheat? Far more than livestock I can promise you that. Buying only locally grown vegetables and local grassfed livestock along with sustainable farming is the answer, not giving up animal products. Google "Changes in USDA Food Composition Data for 43 Garden Crops, 1950 to 1999" to see how sustainable our current way of growing vegetables is.
@nhaislip781 Grassfed Livestock isn't the answer either because alot of land still needs to be cleared for the livestock. The price would go up and demand would have to go down. But really, I am a vegan so I do not support 'half measures' I do not believe it necessary to confine and kill animals for food or use them at all for that matter. I do not support 'free range' or 'high animal welfare' products. I'm concerned with vegans that support 'free range' products, they are confused...
Actually we have enough land cleared now, at least in the US for all of our needs, and if demand would have to go down then so be it. But I do understand that you can't fully support it, as long as you realize it's better than current.
@nhaislip781 Such huge numbers of Livestock are devastating to the environment, destroying the soil. If people aren't going to go vegan even though I will always suggest that rather than promote so called 'humane' animal farming, then they must cut back drastically on consumption of animal products, therefore far fewer animals are bred and less environmental degradation. If not, the environment will reach an irrepairable state, if it hasn't already.
Yes Factory 'Harming'- destroying the planet and causing more cruelty, suffering and death to non humans than ever before, just so people can eat dead animal parts and secretions laden with cholesterol, saturated fat and all kinds of nasty chemicals. Go Vegan!
The idea of cholestrol and saturated fat being bad for you is a long-debunked myth. The only type of fat to avoid is trans fat. And the way to end cruelty and suffering is to start buying pasture-raised meat.
@NewYorkFlavour So I guess heart disease, cancer and diabetes have nothing to do with them and they just somehow come up out of nowhere? The continuing of meat production at all doesn't end cruelty. Even on 'free range' facilities there is still confinement and cruelty such as carstration and other forms of mutilation. The best way to end cruelty is to not eat meat/dairy at all, 'Happy Meat' and 'Free Range' are about animal welfare. I'm about animal rights. Veganism is the way!
The average American eats half a pound of meat a day. That's the AVERAGE, not the extreme, and even those people will never be convinced to give up all meat and all dairy overnight. Change takes time, and is a slow process. If your argument is "having half a pound of only free-range and family-farmed meat a week is JUST AS BAD as having half a pound of factory farmed meat a day" (which is the lie I've heard from most vegans), then they WON'T BOTHER CHANGING.
@wanderingivie Vegans believe that animals should not be ours to eat, wear, experiment on and use for entertainment, so whether or not animals. 'Free Range' facilities are very often not a significant welfare improvement on factory farms. The animals are still exploited and still end up in the same slaughterhouse. It would be dishonest of me to push the welfare line when animal liberation is really what I believe in. Veganism is the way for the animals, the planet, and your health.
I know what vegans believe. EVERYONE knows what vegans believe, and many sympathize, but very few actually become vegan because you insist that the ONLY improvement is to live entirely without animals, nothing in between. Think of it this way: convincing 10% of the population (that currently eats meat) to become entirely vegan is MUCH LESS LIKELY than convincing 20% of the population to eat half as much meat and dairy as they do now.
@wanderingivie If people think they can't go vegan, I do not encourage them to eat 'Happy Meat' or 'Free Range Eggs'. I say try adding vegan meals to their diet, see that they don't get sick, they may actually be alot healthier! I do not advocate 'High animal welfare' products because they are still contradictory to my beliefs. It is about the animals though not about vegans vs non vegans. Vegans do not see using and killing animals as necessary, Non vegans do. Its a fundamental disagreement.
If you expect people to change, you've got to give them realistic goals. That is the role of family-farmed and free range animal products, and yet vegans insist that it's just as "EVIL" to eat the eggs that a family friend gives me from her pet chickens in her backyard as it is to eat tortured factory farmed beef.
Sorry guys, but logic says otherwise, and even if you don't care about being logical, this is the only way the half-a-pound daily people will ever join your cause.
@wanderingivie So many reasons to go vegan: It takes an enormous amount of resources to produce animal products compared to plant foods, which badly degrades the environment. You reduce your chances from heart disease and cancer from 50% to about 4 or 5% by giving up animal products. For every hen someone gets from a hatchery so they can supply eggs for them, a rooster was killed...
I don't demand every cage be bigger, I demand every cage by empty!
You do know that many of us "Meat eaters" don't agree with factory farming conditions either and would rather support sustainable farming, just saying. Support your local sustainable farm if you want to make a difference, rather than buying your out of season fruits and veggies shipped from all over the world right to your local grocery store.
But again, that wouldn't support your agenda would it.
@nhaislip781 Where do sustainable farmers slaughter their animals? Are they sent to the same slaughterhouses that abuse the animals or screw up killing them properly? Where do the male chicks of free range egg farms end up? What happens to the male calves of sustainable dairies? Not to mention, even animals on small farms are castrated and mutilated to make them easier to handle and identify. The environmentally conscious meat-eaters seem to forget that the animals aren't just products.
@Sn0wfie See, that's where we disagree, they are just products, they shouldn't be mistreated and forced to live in horrible conditions, but I do not feel bad about them dying to feed me. And actually the biggest appeal of sustainable farming to me is that the food is healthier for you, animals being treated better is secondary, but a cause that I can agree with.
@Sn0wfie Also, the slaughterhouses are not where the animals are abused, you see the abuse at the feedlot where they are raised. There have been studies showing that the stress levels of cows the entire time they are at the slaughterhouse is no higher than it would be just looking at a human. I will find a link for you.
@Sn0wfie Well I can't link, so look up "Protein Power a Better Way to Die"
This is a biased source, but he does a good job of explaining why the normal slaughterhouse scenario isn't anything like PETA pictures it, there are possibly some exceptions and they should be harshly punished.
@nhaislip781 well I can't say I speak upon all vegans cause even the vegan society itself has varied opinions but I don't support the killing of animals regardless because they could have a free life to live, you know you only live one and for them unfortunately it wasn't a human one and unfortunately they weren't smart enough to become the species to enslave all the rest and eat them.
@deanmullen10 Hey, I support your decision and reasoning, but I'm just pointing out a few things to show that being a vegan isn't the only answer. But I do fully support treating our animals as well as possible, and I do not support factory farming. Honestly, who do you think the meat industry is going to listen to? A person that will never buy their product no matter what or a person like me that will only buy humanely raised livestock?
@nhaislip781 I can understand your asumptions of my aims, but I'm not trying to get a message out via silence, I'm trying to spread ideas and get more people to become vegans, and with that if more people are vegans, more people to spread the idea and maybe eventually a majority will emerge for vegans and the amount of people supporting meat eating becomes a minority and hence animal rights emerges in politics.
I think this paradigm shift can happen and if worked on will happen.
@deanmullen10 I don't know what you mean by my assumptions of your aims, I never said you should be quiet, talk as much as you want, like I do. I'm here to spread ideas too that veganism isn't the only answer, that is all, there are others choices that will make a positive difference. I will tell you as well, google "Changes in USDA Food Composition Data for 43 Garden Crops, 1950 to 1999" to see how sustainable our agriculture process is, and then tell me veganism is the answer.
@nhaislip781 I getcha, but I think veganism can bring forth the collapse of the meat industry. I think it's worht a try otherwise animals will never gain rights, I don't think some rights is enough cause these individuals have life, nevertheless were still aiming towards the same idea, its good to have people trying out different possibilities, as one is right. so I support u in that sense.
@deanmullen10 Thank you very much, that really means so much to me. People can get so set in their ways that it's refreshing to have someone actually care to listen and understand. We might not agree completely on the means but I support you in your causes as well, as I understand that you want positive change.
Jeez, I've never even been able to get through any of these factory farming photos without turning away and I'm already vegan, I have no idea how a meat eater could cope. Goodness.
Shelley,I have a very high amount of respect for you!I share most of your videos on my space!Your videos are compassionate and they come to the point!It is obvious that you are a loving kind soul and well informed!I am a Vegan and fight the good fight!The insults they post are untrue!I am a lot older than you,and see your weeding ring,so know from the heart that you are kind,sweet,caring,beautiful,your eyes ,face teeth,hair,complexion are all beautiful!Very rare,internal and external beauty!Bill
she argued that humans arent on top of the food chain... that might have been before, but nowadays all other animals including lions, sharks and bears run a bigger risk of being killed than us by them
@billybobjoe198 Whatever. She definitely isn't that American kind of fat that you see in Wallmart. You know that cheesy smell, bad breath, and heavy breathing.
I like eating meat, i slaughter my own animals quickly with firearms - We are TOP of the food chain, our weapon is our brain. Yes animals are treated like crap in these places but not every meat eater, buy factory farmed meat - im el natural argue with me if you want but your wrong. Your not going to change anything Shelley your just creating controversy which into creates anger. You know that animals fight and alot of species bleed to death after a brutal brawl over females or territory.
@Ogrepro Actually, things can change. In our family farm back home, we left the calf with the cow and let it drink before we got our own milk. I've eaten good meat vs. the factory farmed junk. The meat is much larger, but it's just bland. Factory farms are so sick, it's getting to the point that if it's just low quality diseased, stressed out, tortured animals might as well eat grains and seeds made into a chicken nugget if it tastes the same in the end.
@Ogrepro WTF does "TOP of the food chain" mean? You think nature recognizes some sort of hierarchy based on what eats what, and absolutely nothing eats us?
@Ogrepro Fine. You don't like animals. Not everyone does. But your own health is jeopardized everytime you eat meat. You like the taste, you say? I for one *adore* to consume the rotting, parasite-infested flesh of an animal's corpse... Mmm, delicious.
@supernatural119 Yeah your a dumb fuck, have you ever been on a fucking farm? They drench and needle for E. coli and tapes also you can get human worming tablets to prevent it. your a dumbass your wrong. get over yourself. Jeez you cant win with these people.
@Ogrepro ._. You're off. If you leave meat out for too long, just long enough to cool, you're at risk for E. Coli. Haven't you ever been in Life Science class? Or are you too young to be in middle school? Can't win with these people who don't know where parasites come from or how common they are.
@PraiseJesus123 But we are not bears, monkeys, lions, tigers or alligators. We don't "need" animal protein to thrive AND we know that killing without NEED is unjust and unfair.Surely you don't wish to remain in the primordial goo from which we evolved?Einstein said it best "The only way we will survive as a species is on a plant based diet". It is better for health, the environment and is in alignment to man's compassionate nature. We didn't have those luxuries a thousand years ago. We do now.
@beaelliott kind of a moot point since poor people are already starving in highly dense pooe countries like india
and they don't even eat a lot of meat there. i doubt they could sustain themselves even if they advanced their farming and cultivation methods to where modern technology allows.
@PraiseJesus123 But we're not talking about India or Africa are we? We were discussing what is possible for "us" in a world with many other choices that don't involve killing. That is the difference between what's "necessary" or not.
@beaelliott There isnt a social contract with animals not to kill them
humans in comas and infants obviously have derivative rights that we give them
I agree the methods and treatment on farms should change, i agree we should eat a lot less meat and we should make the process more environmentally friendly
There's a humane way to kill animals for their meat, 'fairness' is irrelevant
and your argument that it isn't permissible to kill them for food is pretty weak.
@PraiseJesus123 We have a contract with each other to be honest.EVERYONE (or nearly so) will agree that it's wrong to cause animals unnecessary suffering.All I'm hoping for is that we live what we say we believe in.It is NOT necessary to eat them.Therefore we should walk the walk.
"Humane" means to be concerned with the alleviation of suffering.These animals are not injured or in aging pain.They are healthy and delivered "fit for life". No "suffering" to avoid - only suffering to cause.
@PraiseJesus123 Yeah but we're feeding "high protein crops" to fatten animals. It's inefficient use of land, water and fossil fuels. It's wasteful... To some that is immoral to waste the wealth the earth has provided.
@beaelliott You were the one who chose to bring up overpopulation and I don't think the States or Canada really suffer from that at this point in time..
@beaelliott And yes we are absolutely primates the only thing that makes us different is our two pound brain. you're rallying for the compassion that most people don't have, with some romantic and idealized notion of what the world should be like, you're just as arrogant as i am thinking that you are on the 'right' side of the argument.
@PraiseJesus123 - No. What makes us different is that we are moral agents. We know what kindness is... We know what the Golden Rule is...We know what justice is.The best of us have always sought to improve the life for others less fortunate. Don't know anyone more unfortunate than an animal bred to be "used". Arrogance comes from believing you are better than an Other... If one "uses" Others --- Well, you can't get more "judgmental" than thinking you have that "right" when it's not "necessary".
@beaelliott Who said I believe that? We don't have anymore of a right to exist than the animals we slaughter, we just happen to be more fortunate than them being on upper end of the food chain and I doubt if other creatures were as dominant as us they would give us the same entitlement to life.
We all die anyway and a humans life isn't worth anymore than a cow.. but we aren't guaranteed a decent quality of life either
it just happens that us westerners are so privileged.
@PraiseJesus123 We can be anywhere in the food chain that we want to be. Food chain defenses basically are a version of "might makes right," which runs counter to basic moral principles. Just because a thug "might" beat me up - Does not grant me the right to initiate violence against him. BTW, 99% of the animals we use for food, etc. are docile, herbivores... The deck is so stacked against them.I would not fear them harming us. Yes we all die - We are not killed-not even animals in the "wild".
@PraiseJesus123 You mean I should be trying to "defend" myself for choosing to be kind when possible??? Ooops! I never knew that... Here I was just trying to live the way I was brought up...
@PraiseJesus123 Let's forget about "rights" and just focus on "oughts". If we "ought" to be as kind as possible - One of the easiest ways is to NOT inflict harm or UNNECESSARY violence to innocent beings - Human or nonhuman... Very simple ideology to put into practice. It also seems to be the most "civilized" course as well.
@beaelliott we can retain a high state of culture and still kill animals for food, in fact herding and breeding animals is very civilized behaviour. we've been doing it for many millennia just never on this scale. A few compassionate people will agree with you it's maybe unethical
but you'll never win the argument that it's inherently evil or unnecessary.
as I've said before the validity of the existence of factory farms and the actual treatment of the animals are separate issues.
@PraiseJesus123 YOU say we "can retain a high state of culture and still kill animals" --- I disagree. A high state of culture would imply that we've found alternative ways to bloodshed... YOU say "herding and breeding animals is very civilized behavior"... I disagree. Civilized behavior does not make life just to take it - Especially when there is no "need" to do so.Actually many/most people agree that causing unnecessary harm is wrong, they've just yet to question what "necessity" truly means.
@PraiseJesus123 They would harm each other because of the unnatural, extreme confinement. Left to their own devises chickens, like all birds have a pecking order... When a dominant bird wants to claim their territory they do so and the submissive birds just go another way. But of course when their is no escape as in a 3 x 4 foot cage - there is nowhere to go. Want to "improve" the life of an animal? Very simple - Don't eat them. Not necessary - Certainly not kind.
@beaelliott Wrong, I grew up on a free range farm and they would simply kill each other even with tons of space. we would lose a lot of birds because we didn't debeak them. please stop speaking of things you don't know anything about.
I'm not religious at all I just made this account name so christians would be more inclined to agree with me. It's weird, most of my comments become top rated.
@PraiseJesus123 Well we have two versions of reality then.My husband & mother both grew up on a working farm-They too had large flocks of chickens that roamed a few acres and neither has any idea what "farmers" mean when they say the birds kill each other.It is not part of their experience at all.So who's "truth" is true?
The person who uses a (misleading) name to influence people? Or someone who wants reality - and their ability to communicate to be the deciding factor of being "agreed" with?
@PraiseJesus123 Ummm... Your language is more akin to someone less than affluent --- That's what I meant.
I'm questioning how you can assume something about someone you have no idea about as "pant shitting". You're arrogant and assume so much --- Usually those with more worldliness measure their words with more care and grace. And I still think your reasons for choosing your user name (that religious people will believe you) is misleading and dishonest. Sorry.
@beaelliott i don't know how that's relevant at all? my parents are very well off and i make a very comfortable income. again i'm going to assume you don't know what the word means.
but yes i speak without inhibition in real life also and i get in trouble often
i don't feel it necessary to refine myself on here either
and no I don't really care if a bird is killed for it's poultry I've talked to many veterinarians and a few researchers and most agree that chickens can't even feel rudimentary emotion. People have the same right to eat meat as a tiger or any other carnivore just because we have a choice when it comes to our diet doesn't mean we have to change it. You're probably some jr.college going moron but look into our evolution.. if all we ate was raw vegetables we never would have gotten to where we are.
@PraiseJesus123 No, far from college...Decades of experience and a desire to learn have been a much better teacher.Are you saying chickens don't experience pain?That takes science back a century... "Right" to eat meat when it's not necessary to kill?Totally disagree. Living on a plant based diet includes a lot more than raw vegetables.Finally, I'm not worrying about where we (possibly) came from THEN, but rather see the urgency in evolving into the NOW and the future.Meat is dead, literally.
@beaelliott Yeah one thing vegans never acknowledge is the fact that we kill all kinds of insects rats, mice and other rodents with synthetic and nonsynthetic pesticides. They don't have nervous systems either? they don't feel pain? It's okay for us to kill them to ensure larger yields?
I'm saying chickens don't have the awareness we do and the empathy felt for them is your own.
@PraiseJesus123 I acknowledge that... BUT we don't deliberately breed and slaughter them. AND plant foods could be grown hydroponically and in other ways which would NOT require UNNECESSARY death.Besides --- Plant food is grown to fatten animals! Let's take those resources and feed people instead. ;)
In your view since chickens don't have the awareness we do... That would also justify killing human infants... The mentally disabled or harvesting organs from coma patients. No thanks.
@beaelliott the slippery slope fallacy doesn't help your cause.
and no it doesn't justify the killing of infants or any of the stuff you said, it just means there isn't a moral argument to be made on their behalf if we chose to do so.
@PraiseJesus123 But your criteria (your justification) was based on a lack of "emotional" awareness. Some use "intelligence" to justify killing animals --- I disagree that there isn't a moral argument against killing innocent animals... Just look at history. This subject has been marching on for centuries. As we progress and become more "civilized" the subject and questions only grow.As our culture advances - the issue will only become more prominent... That's how we evolve.
@beaelliott meat is dead? so are the decaying plants we eat? there's no urgency to revert into a herbivorous species. We remain far more viable staying as nature intended which is something closer to a scavenger, like bears...
@PraiseJesus123 - Meat is dead with a much greater cost than vegetable "life". It takes huge amounts of resources to fatten animals first... We should cut out the middle eater - Stop competing with animals for our food. The urgency to do the right thing is always there... To kill when it is not necessary to do so is wrong. Finding better ways to feed the population expected to double in the next hundred years is critical to our survival. Wait and see. ;)
@PraiseJesus123 That is NOT nature. Nature would be if we ran and hunted the chicken and killed it with our bare hands then ate it raw like every natural meat eater does. How even two people thumbs uped you is beyond me.
@PraiseJesus123 Your name is "praisejesus" do you know Jesus was a vegetarian? And how do I know and declare this? Look it up if you don't believe me. In texts it was PROVEN that Jesus was a grandmaster of the Great White Brotherhood, a secretive and spiritual religious sect; they were and still are VEGETARIAN!
In case you don't believe me, then fathom this, do you really think the all merciful son of GOD would eat little innocent beings as food?
@rivlukcoltd there's pretty much no documentation that jesus was even a real person, but there was probably some delusional figure like him, like socrates who also probably didn't exist.
and yeah i think if he wasn't a fairytale character he would eat fish and other animals, remember the fish and bread? retard.
@PraiseJesus123 You're the contradicting retard, your username says "praisejesus" yet you say Jesus probably didn't exist? If a saint like Jesus didn't exist do you honestly think Christianity could last 2 millenniums ? Your concept of life and reality is so shallow it isn't even worth talking to you, therefore don't reply.
P.S You uneducated backwards idiot, ever heard of the Council of Nicaea 325AD? They basically made Mary Madelin a whore and edited half of the bible to their liking.
@rivlukcoltd I have a masters in chemical engineering from Emory... you're calling me a retard because you can't pick up on the obvious facetiousness of my username, that's fine, god must make certain people slower than others for a reason...
hinduism is far older than christianity and you surely don't believe in vishnu
@PraiseJesus123 Read my reply to you and realized I called you retard too many times, I apologize for that, nothing else. I was angry and I didn't mean to direct personal insults. P.S If you want a real debate (and lose at it) come to the global and humanitarian summit this Sunday.
@PraiseJesus123 All you want to do is argue instead of seeing(REALLY SEEING) the horrific video only a few inches above this message bar; I know narrow minded people like you very well, some are very successful academically yet anything outside of a academic subject you have absolutely no life experience or adaptability nor sense. I suggest you attend that global health and humanitarian summit in the WHSCAB building at Emory this Sunday.
@PraiseJesus123 Read my reply to you and realized I called you retard too many times, I apologize for that, nothing else. I was angry and I didn't mean to direct personal insults. P.S If you want a real debate (and lose at it) come to the global and humanitarian summit this Sunday.
@PraiseJesus123 If God decided we should eat animals, God wouldn't give them a CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM to feel pain!! Nor would God give them a brain to think, feel and love; God would have given them life but no senses to feel nor a brain to think and love, sounds like something else we eat that has LIFE but no CONSCIOUSNESS? VEGETABLES!!!!
@PraiseJesus123 "if god is real why is he letting us pwn animals so hard lol" Is that honestly your reply? I'll be surprised if you even or ever will graduate from high school with that "lol" and "pwn" idiocy.
@PraiseJesus123 "if god is real why is he letting us pwn animals so hard lol" Is that in all honesty your reply? With that kind of idiocy "pwn" and "lol" dialog I doubt you had or ever will graduate from high school. In fact you're probably 13 years old, I hope you are or else it'll be kind of embarrassing.
i don't really understand your logic, god made vegetables for us but created gazelles for lions?
also according to many veterinary neurologists cows and chickens, can barely feel rudimentary emotion, pigs however have been proven to be highly intelligent and i sympathize with them a bit more than other animals. of course they feel pain, more regulations should be put in place to make slaughter houses more humane and refine the killing method to minimize unnecessary suffering.
@PraiseJesus123 Did I not say DON'T REPLY YOU SAD LITTLE RETARD? You arrogant bastard, people like you just can't accept perhaps other people may possess insights and know something you don't or even more than you; tame your ego and STOP REPLYING! You "claim" to have a Masters degree in Chemical Engineering which I think you're full of it, yet you still type and communicate like a high school dropout. With your level of open mindedness I doubt you'll get anywhere in life. Good life and good bye
@rivlukcoltd you're calling me arrogant while claiming to have to some magical insight not apparent nor available to the non-religious
i have no problem accepting there are people brighter and more knowledgable than myself
"people like you" just have a problem acknowledging that the historicity of jesus isn't verifiable
the non-biblical documentation and archaeological evidence is hardly convincing unless you were brought up to take it at face value. you're on the same boat as the jews /mslms
@PraiseJesus123 I can say to you now that I believe in Jesus 100%. However, I am not and was not raised a Christian, nor do I read the bible like it's the only book worth reading, because it was NOT written by Jesus nor was it written by God, nor does it reflect the truth completely; therefore, don't label me, you don't know anything about me except from a few words I typed.
@rivlukcoltd alright so direct me to the article or ancient preserved texts that convinced you so thoroughly or admit that you're taking the information you get from other people on faith and that you only believe in jesus out of self-preservation because the idea of there being no awareness after death scares you.
@PraiseJesus123 It doesn't scare me because I have no doubt. Also dunno about you but I feel pretty aware and connected to my cosmic awareness. Don't assume all you know is all I know and don't think all you see is all I can see.
I choose to think for myself! To have my own mind and not follow the dictates of a twisted, unhealthy culture... Being vegan has never been easier or more critical for the sake of our bodies, the planet and the animals.
You are a beautiful person. Thank you for your videos and for spreading such a positive message. Lots of love.
ShelterHelperDogs 1 month ago
@somewhereatsea1 it is very rude to talk to people the way you do. Instead of opening your mouth I think you should watch some documentaries and do a bit of research on factory farming or just watch documentaries on food in general such as DIVE, forks over spoons, food inc and earthinglings and then think about what you said and come back and still talk the shit you do. And if you do I feel insanely sorry for you! Lots of love-3 xoxo
forvrfierce21 2 months ago
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Dear insane liar bitch- practice what you preach and since you think animals have more right to life then men, kill yourself immediately coward practice what you preach. Not only would your crazy ass being dead be great for enviroment and save water air landfill space for sane humans, one less animal worshipping lying insane bitch would be best thing for hman race possible. Shut fuck up liar crazy bitch.
somewhereatsea1 3 months ago
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Dear insane liar bitch- practice what you preach and since you think animals have more right to life then men, kill yourself immediately coward practice what you preach. Not only would your crazy ass being dead be great for enviroment and save water air landfill space for sane humans, one less animal worshipping lying insane bitch would be best thing for hman race possible. Shut fuck up liar crazy bitch.
somewhereatsea1 3 months ago
Thanks for making this.
ashleigh1509 3 months ago
hi shelly just ignore the stupid meat heads trying to talk negative to yew trough comments
vegetarians and vegans are so much better.
nerdymom2 4 months ago
@nerdymom2 yes good point. Veganism./vegetarianism rules. Meat eaters feel guilty. Check out my channel. /watch?v=WWMnscY04AY
haridham 4 months ago
@haridham Why do you People always assume Meat eaters Are Guilty? I eat Red meat and can Clearly say I have Never Felt Guilty! We are omnivores We can do Both!
scooterdod 3 months ago
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@scooterdod "Why do you People always assume Meat eaters Are Guilty? I eat Red meat and can Clearly say I have Never Felt Guilty! We are omnivores We can do Both!"
You misunderstood the context in which I meant guilty. Please check out my videos where I explain what I mean. Just because we think we are omnivores and can do both doesnt mean we should.
haridham 3 months ago
@scooterdod The saying, "What we can do and what we should do are very different things." comes to mind here. We all CAN abuse and kill when we don't need to for survival, but we don't have to and we shouldn't. We SHOULD try to make the world a better place for all living things to exist. Have you ever thought about the fact that your red meat came from a cow that died when YOU could made the choice to not give your money to those killing him or that milk came from a cow whose baby goes without?
abcdefwoo1234 2 months ago
@abcdefwoo1234 NO I don't feel Any of those thing's.... and why I don't ? Because it is natural! It is ok To eatd "RED MEAT" !!! Ok First define Abuse for me. Not wiki or a google defination. Because your kind likes to throw those words around alot along with murder! You think of it how you want Ill sit here and eat Mt steak and Veggies.. See I get the best of both world's...And if it is Unhealthy like you say why don't the AFDA Get Involved??Hmmmm!..
scooterdod 1 month ago
@scooterdod Why don't they get involved? Easy. Culture and Money. The meat and dairy industry are rich. Money makes a lot of the decisions already with policies, why wouldn't it with an obvious consumer market like food? However, there is some headway being made. I refer you to works by Dr. Neal Bernard, Dr. T. Colin Campbell, and Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn. Just showing you some people. Give them a listen or don't. *shrugs*
abcdefwoo1234 1 month ago
@scooterdod And just because you have "NEVER FELT GUILTY" doesn't mean that guilt isn't there. Just like a disease...infesting the minds of billions of adults who then pass in on to their children.
abcdefwoo1234 2 months ago
@abcdefwoo1234 That's Exactly what I keep telling your Kind But your not listening!
scooterdod 1 month ago
but if you understood evolution you would know that chickens are on of the most succesful species of all times.
paenitet7nullum 5 months ago
a few simple laws would greatly improve the animals like human rights or whatever it is u want. but a few simle laws could definetley improve the quality of meat and therfore make it an actualy healthy thing (like it once was...thousands of years ago). anyways good for you for trying to make the world a better place.
paenitet7nullum 5 months ago
While I am opposed to cruel and unusual treatment of anamals like that you have to remember that not all farming is factory farming, I would know I worked on one of those small scale farms, and no it was not going broke, their beef and eggs sold for a premium because they did not have any hormones in them, see even meat eaters have a soul LOL
lukethibodaux 5 months ago
@nhaislip781 - "sustainable farming?!!!" If all the billions upon billions of animals that gluttonous carnists feel entitled to eat were raised with high welfare standards... it just is totally impossible. There is physically no space. Example: there are 27000000 pigs in Germany, 7.8 times the population of Berlin. Do you want more forest to be cleared? Stop kidding yourself. And slaughter is the ultimate abuse of welfare. Abbatoirs kill thousands daily. It takes several painful minutes to die.
bubes00 5 months ago
@scooma1 - if you are worried about top soil depletion, know that the vast majority of the world's plant harvest is FED TO LIVESTOCK. They aren't all outside grazing. We have already run out of land, causing grain prices to rise, thus causing world hunger. There is physically not enough land left to raise livestock naturally outside. BTW grazing CAUSES desertification, not cures it. Your posts are nothing more than sophistry. Educate yourself.
bubes00 5 months ago
Veganism is the goal we promote. Promoting higher welfare standards and higher welfare products where animals are still killed for human consumption is not what an honest vegan will support.
MrVeggieman11 5 months ago 7
@MrVeggieman11You are right. Veganism/Vegetarianism rules. Check out my videos. /watch?v=WWMnscY04AY
haridham 4 months ago
@scooma1 I haven't read the whole book myself but this isn't the only book with this data. It's well established among nutritionists that diets high in saturated fat and cholesterol found in animal products are bad for your health. There's countless sources I really don't think I need to go to the trouble of listing them, people can google these topics.
MrVeggieman11 5 months ago
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@MrVeggieman11 Please note that I am in complete agreement that factory farming is a travesty that needs to be stopped, and I'm not saying that you being vegan is wrong. I am just pointing out that it is not the only answer to our problems, and there is much more to your side than just "go vegan. It will fix everything". There is still soil health issues caused by modern agriculture, vegan or not.
nhaislip781 5 months ago
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@MrVeggieman11 Also, many direct studies have shown that pasture farms and particularly mixed animal/crops sustainable farming has a positive effect on the environment, especially soil. There are seriously thousands, look it up. While you're at it google "Changes in Food Composition Data for 43 Garden Plants, 1950 - 1999" and then tell me with a straight face that everyone going vegan is the answer to our soil health. We need sustainable farming, whether you are vegan or not.
nhaislip781 5 months ago
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@MrVeggieman11 In his defense, even T Colin Campbell has stated that the China Study itself was observational in nature and therefore doesn't provide direct links, the book was only his experience.
nhaislip781 5 months ago
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@MrVeggieman11 I have read the China Study, vegan propaganda, only one chapter has anything to do with the actual study, I prefer In Defense of Food, and books like that.
nhaislip781 5 months ago
But my true dream is a vegan world. Sadly, not likely to happen anytime soon. I cry for the animals and the planet :-(
MrVeggieman11 5 months ago
@wanderingivie So many reasons to go vegan: It takes an enormous amount of resources to produce animal products compared to plant foods, which badly degrades the environment. You reduce your chances from heart disease and cancer from 50% to about 4 or 5% by giving up animal products. For every hen someone gets from a hatchery so they can supply eggs for them, a rooster was killed...
I don't demand every cage be bigger, I demand every cage be empty!
MrVeggieman11 5 months ago
@MrVeggieman11 Do you have proof of the statement that giving up animal products will reduce your chance of heart disease and cancer? No observational studies please as they do not show any direct links. I am betting that you don't, no one has yet.
nhaislip781 5 months ago
@nhaislip781 You can read 'The China Study' and numerous other books on the subject
MrVeggieman11 5 months ago
@MrVeggieman11 And how much petroleum do you think is used to grow corn and wheat? Far more than livestock I can promise you that. Buying only locally grown vegetables and local grassfed livestock along with sustainable farming is the answer, not giving up animal products. Google "Changes in USDA Food Composition Data for 43 Garden Crops, 1950 to 1999" to see how sustainable our current way of growing vegetables is.
nhaislip781 5 months ago
@nhaislip781 Grassfed Livestock isn't the answer either because alot of land still needs to be cleared for the livestock. The price would go up and demand would have to go down. But really, I am a vegan so I do not support 'half measures' I do not believe it necessary to confine and kill animals for food or use them at all for that matter. I do not support 'free range' or 'high animal welfare' products. I'm concerned with vegans that support 'free range' products, they are confused...
MrVeggieman11 5 months ago
Actually we have enough land cleared now, at least in the US for all of our needs, and if demand would have to go down then so be it. But I do understand that you can't fully support it, as long as you realize it's better than current.
nhaislip781 5 months ago
@nhaislip781 Such huge numbers of Livestock are devastating to the environment, destroying the soil. If people aren't going to go vegan even though I will always suggest that rather than promote so called 'humane' animal farming, then they must cut back drastically on consumption of animal products, therefore far fewer animals are bred and less environmental degradation. If not, the environment will reach an irrepairable state, if it hasn't already.
MrVeggieman11 5 months ago
Yes Factory 'Harming'- destroying the planet and causing more cruelty, suffering and death to non humans than ever before, just so people can eat dead animal parts and secretions laden with cholesterol, saturated fat and all kinds of nasty chemicals. Go Vegan!
MrVeggieman11 5 months ago
@MrVeggieman11
The idea of cholestrol and saturated fat being bad for you is a long-debunked myth. The only type of fat to avoid is trans fat. And the way to end cruelty and suffering is to start buying pasture-raised meat.
NewYorkFlavour 5 months ago
@NewYorkFlavour So I guess heart disease, cancer and diabetes have nothing to do with them and they just somehow come up out of nowhere? The continuing of meat production at all doesn't end cruelty. Even on 'free range' facilities there is still confinement and cruelty such as carstration and other forms of mutilation. The best way to end cruelty is to not eat meat/dairy at all, 'Happy Meat' and 'Free Range' are about animal welfare. I'm about animal rights. Veganism is the way!
MrVeggieman11 5 months ago
@MrVeggieman11
The average American eats half a pound of meat a day. That's the AVERAGE, not the extreme, and even those people will never be convinced to give up all meat and all dairy overnight. Change takes time, and is a slow process. If your argument is "having half a pound of only free-range and family-farmed meat a week is JUST AS BAD as having half a pound of factory farmed meat a day" (which is the lie I've heard from most vegans), then they WON'T BOTHER CHANGING.
wanderingivie 5 months ago
@wanderingivie Vegans believe that animals should not be ours to eat, wear, experiment on and use for entertainment, so whether or not animals. 'Free Range' facilities are very often not a significant welfare improvement on factory farms. The animals are still exploited and still end up in the same slaughterhouse. It would be dishonest of me to push the welfare line when animal liberation is really what I believe in. Veganism is the way for the animals, the planet, and your health.
MrVeggieman11 5 months ago
@MrVeggieman11
I know what vegans believe. EVERYONE knows what vegans believe, and many sympathize, but very few actually become vegan because you insist that the ONLY improvement is to live entirely without animals, nothing in between. Think of it this way: convincing 10% of the population (that currently eats meat) to become entirely vegan is MUCH LESS LIKELY than convincing 20% of the population to eat half as much meat and dairy as they do now.
wanderingivie 5 months ago
@wanderingivie If people think they can't go vegan, I do not encourage them to eat 'Happy Meat' or 'Free Range Eggs'. I say try adding vegan meals to their diet, see that they don't get sick, they may actually be alot healthier! I do not advocate 'High animal welfare' products because they are still contradictory to my beliefs. It is about the animals though not about vegans vs non vegans. Vegans do not see using and killing animals as necessary, Non vegans do. Its a fundamental disagreement.
MrVeggieman11 5 months ago
@MrVeggieman11
If you expect people to change, you've got to give them realistic goals. That is the role of family-farmed and free range animal products, and yet vegans insist that it's just as "EVIL" to eat the eggs that a family friend gives me from her pet chickens in her backyard as it is to eat tortured factory farmed beef.
Sorry guys, but logic says otherwise, and even if you don't care about being logical, this is the only way the half-a-pound daily people will ever join your cause.
wanderingivie 5 months ago
@wanderingivie So many reasons to go vegan: It takes an enormous amount of resources to produce animal products compared to plant foods, which badly degrades the environment. You reduce your chances from heart disease and cancer from 50% to about 4 or 5% by giving up animal products. For every hen someone gets from a hatchery so they can supply eggs for them, a rooster was killed...
I don't demand every cage be bigger, I demand every cage by empty!
MrVeggieman11 5 months ago
You do know that many of us "Meat eaters" don't agree with factory farming conditions either and would rather support sustainable farming, just saying. Support your local sustainable farm if you want to make a difference, rather than buying your out of season fruits and veggies shipped from all over the world right to your local grocery store.
But again, that wouldn't support your agenda would it.
nhaislip781 6 months ago
@nhaislip781 Where do sustainable farmers slaughter their animals? Are they sent to the same slaughterhouses that abuse the animals or screw up killing them properly? Where do the male chicks of free range egg farms end up? What happens to the male calves of sustainable dairies? Not to mention, even animals on small farms are castrated and mutilated to make them easier to handle and identify. The environmentally conscious meat-eaters seem to forget that the animals aren't just products.
Sn0wfie 6 months ago
@Sn0wfie See, that's where we disagree, they are just products, they shouldn't be mistreated and forced to live in horrible conditions, but I do not feel bad about them dying to feed me. And actually the biggest appeal of sustainable farming to me is that the food is healthier for you, animals being treated better is secondary, but a cause that I can agree with.
nhaislip781 6 months ago
@Sn0wfie Also, the slaughterhouses are not where the animals are abused, you see the abuse at the feedlot where they are raised. There have been studies showing that the stress levels of cows the entire time they are at the slaughterhouse is no higher than it would be just looking at a human. I will find a link for you.
nhaislip781 6 months ago
@Sn0wfie Well I can't link, so look up "Protein Power a Better Way to Die"
This is a biased source, but he does a good job of explaining why the normal slaughterhouse scenario isn't anything like PETA pictures it, there are possibly some exceptions and they should be harshly punished.
nhaislip781 6 months ago
@nhaislip781 well I can't say I speak upon all vegans cause even the vegan society itself has varied opinions but I don't support the killing of animals regardless because they could have a free life to live, you know you only live one and for them unfortunately it wasn't a human one and unfortunately they weren't smart enough to become the species to enslave all the rest and eat them.
deanmullen10 5 months ago
@deanmullen10 Hey, I support your decision and reasoning, but I'm just pointing out a few things to show that being a vegan isn't the only answer. But I do fully support treating our animals as well as possible, and I do not support factory farming. Honestly, who do you think the meat industry is going to listen to? A person that will never buy their product no matter what or a person like me that will only buy humanely raised livestock?
nhaislip781 5 months ago
@nhaislip781 I can understand your asumptions of my aims, but I'm not trying to get a message out via silence, I'm trying to spread ideas and get more people to become vegans, and with that if more people are vegans, more people to spread the idea and maybe eventually a majority will emerge for vegans and the amount of people supporting meat eating becomes a minority and hence animal rights emerges in politics.
I think this paradigm shift can happen and if worked on will happen.
deanmullen10 5 months ago
@deanmullen10 I don't know what you mean by my assumptions of your aims, I never said you should be quiet, talk as much as you want, like I do. I'm here to spread ideas too that veganism isn't the only answer, that is all, there are others choices that will make a positive difference. I will tell you as well, google "Changes in USDA Food Composition Data for 43 Garden Crops, 1950 to 1999" to see how sustainable our agriculture process is, and then tell me veganism is the answer.
nhaislip781 5 months ago
@nhaislip781 I getcha, but I think veganism can bring forth the collapse of the meat industry. I think it's worht a try otherwise animals will never gain rights, I don't think some rights is enough cause these individuals have life, nevertheless were still aiming towards the same idea, its good to have people trying out different possibilities, as one is right. so I support u in that sense.
deanmullen10 5 months ago
@deanmullen10 Thank you very much, that really means so much to me. People can get so set in their ways that it's refreshing to have someone actually care to listen and understand. We might not agree completely on the means but I support you in your causes as well, as I understand that you want positive change.
nhaislip781 5 months ago
Jeez, I've never even been able to get through any of these factory farming photos without turning away and I'm already vegan, I have no idea how a meat eater could cope. Goodness.
StrawberryFields24x8 6 months ago
Shelley,I have a very high amount of respect for you!I share most of your videos on my space!Your videos are compassionate and they come to the point!It is obvious that you are a loving kind soul and well informed!I am a Vegan and fight the good fight!The insults they post are untrue!I am a lot older than you,and see your weeding ring,so know from the heart that you are kind,sweet,caring,beautiful,your eyes ,face teeth,hair,complexion are all beautiful!Very rare,internal and external beauty!Bill
35wildbill 7 months ago
she argued that humans arent on top of the food chain... that might have been before, but nowadays all other animals including lions, sharks and bears run a bigger risk of being killed than us by them
MHJforPrussia 8 months ago
Sorry but, you claim you used to be fat as a child?
Newsflash, you still are.
billybobjoe198 9 months ago
@billybobjoe198 Whatever. She definitely isn't that American kind of fat that you see in Wallmart. You know that cheesy smell, bad breath, and heavy breathing.
spinningthirdeye 9 months ago 5
@spinningthirdeye Why would anyone think she's fat? She isn't fat.
supernatural119 7 months ago
@spinningthirdeye America is only the 3rd fattest country in the world so there.
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@billybobjoe198 Firstly, no. Secondly, does that have ANYTHING to do with what she just said? Jerk.
supernatural119 7 months ago
I like eating meat, i slaughter my own animals quickly with firearms - We are TOP of the food chain, our weapon is our brain. Yes animals are treated like crap in these places but not every meat eater, buy factory farmed meat - im el natural argue with me if you want but your wrong. Your not going to change anything Shelley your just creating controversy which into creates anger. You know that animals fight and alot of species bleed to death after a brutal brawl over females or territory.
Ogrepro 9 months ago
@Ogrepro Actually, things can change. In our family farm back home, we left the calf with the cow and let it drink before we got our own milk. I've eaten good meat vs. the factory farmed junk. The meat is much larger, but it's just bland. Factory farms are so sick, it's getting to the point that if it's just low quality diseased, stressed out, tortured animals might as well eat grains and seeds made into a chicken nugget if it tastes the same in the end.
spinningthirdeye 9 months ago
@Ogrepro WTF does "TOP of the food chain" mean? You think nature recognizes some sort of hierarchy based on what eats what, and absolutely nothing eats us?
BaboonJihad 8 months ago
@BaboonJihad terrorist fuck.
Ogrepro 7 months ago
@Ogrepro Fine. You don't like animals. Not everyone does. But your own health is jeopardized everytime you eat meat. You like the taste, you say? I for one *adore* to consume the rotting, parasite-infested flesh of an animal's corpse... Mmm, delicious.
supernatural119 7 months ago
@supernatural119 I asked my doctor and he told me meat is good for me, is he wrong? fucking retard. Go die.
Ogrepro 7 months ago
@Ogrepro Well I certainly hope your meat-eating years are plentiful with E. Coli and tape worm and you figure out I'm right the hard way. (:
supernatural119 7 months ago
@supernatural119 Yeah your a dumb fuck, have you ever been on a fucking farm? They drench and needle for E. coli and tapes also you can get human worming tablets to prevent it. your a dumbass your wrong. get over yourself. Jeez you cant win with these people.
Ogrepro 7 months ago
@Ogrepro ._. You're off. If you leave meat out for too long, just long enough to cool, you're at risk for E. Coli. Haven't you ever been in Life Science class? Or are you too young to be in middle school? Can't win with these people who don't know where parasites come from or how common they are.
supernatural119 7 months ago
@supernatural119 Your head is filled with the same stupidness of a christian.
Ogrepro 7 months ago
@Ogrepro What are you, seven? It's that sort of stereotype that caused the holocaust. Go die.
supernatural119 7 months ago
@supernatural119 yes i am 7 :) your so fucking dumb. i wish i could take you hunting. :D
Ogrepro 7 months ago
@Ogrepro Put a gun in my hands and I swear a dumb, wild, barbaric living creatures will die. But not an animal.
supernatural119 7 months ago
@supernatural119 YOU JUST CANT WIN WITH THESE PEOPLE.
Ogrepro 7 months ago
Damn man, damn man...Love to all of the animals....
cheyanne0407 10 months ago
i eat free range chicken
KeshaIsHot808 1 year ago
or baboons and other monkeys that often cannibalize their own.
PraiseJesus123 1 year ago
@PraiseJesus123 But we are not bears, monkeys, lions, tigers or alligators. We don't "need" animal protein to thrive AND we know that killing without NEED is unjust and unfair.Surely you don't wish to remain in the primordial goo from which we evolved?Einstein said it best "The only way we will survive as a species is on a plant based diet". It is better for health, the environment and is in alignment to man's compassionate nature. We didn't have those luxuries a thousand years ago. We do now.
beaelliott 1 year ago
@beaelliott kind of a moot point since poor people are already starving in highly dense pooe countries like india
and they don't even eat a lot of meat there. i doubt they could sustain themselves even if they advanced their farming and cultivation methods to where modern technology allows.
PraiseJesus123 1 year ago
@PraiseJesus123 But we're not talking about India or Africa are we? We were discussing what is possible for "us" in a world with many other choices that don't involve killing. That is the difference between what's "necessary" or not.
beaelliott 1 year ago
@beaelliott There isnt a social contract with animals not to kill them
humans in comas and infants obviously have derivative rights that we give them
I agree the methods and treatment on farms should change, i agree we should eat a lot less meat and we should make the process more environmentally friendly
There's a humane way to kill animals for their meat, 'fairness' is irrelevant
and your argument that it isn't permissible to kill them for food is pretty weak.
PraiseJesus123 1 year ago
@PraiseJesus123 We have a contract with each other to be honest.EVERYONE (or nearly so) will agree that it's wrong to cause animals unnecessary suffering.All I'm hoping for is that we live what we say we believe in.It is NOT necessary to eat them.Therefore we should walk the walk.
"Humane" means to be concerned with the alleviation of suffering.These animals are not injured or in aging pain.They are healthy and delivered "fit for life". No "suffering" to avoid - only suffering to cause.
beaelliott 1 year ago
@beaelliott That's your interpretation but yes minimizing the suffering would be considered humane.
it's also your opinion that it is less necessary than farming high protein crops.
PraiseJesus123 1 year ago
@PraiseJesus123 Yeah but we're feeding "high protein crops" to fatten animals. It's inefficient use of land, water and fossil fuels. It's wasteful... To some that is immoral to waste the wealth the earth has provided.
beaelliott 1 year ago
@beaelliott You were the one who chose to bring up overpopulation and I don't think the States or Canada really suffer from that at this point in time..
PraiseJesus123 1 year ago
@PraiseJesus123 Perhaps not yet... But don't we have an obligation to use resources wisely for the next generation?
beaelliott 1 year ago
@beaelliott And yes we are absolutely primates the only thing that makes us different is our two pound brain. you're rallying for the compassion that most people don't have, with some romantic and idealized notion of what the world should be like, you're just as arrogant as i am thinking that you are on the 'right' side of the argument.
PraiseJesus123 1 year ago
@PraiseJesus123 - No. What makes us different is that we are moral agents. We know what kindness is... We know what the Golden Rule is...We know what justice is.The best of us have always sought to improve the life for others less fortunate. Don't know anyone more unfortunate than an animal bred to be "used". Arrogance comes from believing you are better than an Other... If one "uses" Others --- Well, you can't get more "judgmental" than thinking you have that "right" when it's not "necessary".
beaelliott 1 year ago
@beaelliott Who said I believe that? We don't have anymore of a right to exist than the animals we slaughter, we just happen to be more fortunate than them being on upper end of the food chain and I doubt if other creatures were as dominant as us they would give us the same entitlement to life.
We all die anyway and a humans life isn't worth anymore than a cow.. but we aren't guaranteed a decent quality of life either
it just happens that us westerners are so privileged.
PraiseJesus123 1 year ago
@PraiseJesus123 We can be anywhere in the food chain that we want to be. Food chain defenses basically are a version of "might makes right," which runs counter to basic moral principles. Just because a thug "might" beat me up - Does not grant me the right to initiate violence against him. BTW, 99% of the animals we use for food, etc. are docile, herbivores... The deck is so stacked against them.I would not fear them harming us. Yes we all die - We are not killed-not even animals in the "wild".
beaelliott 1 year ago
@beaelliott rights are granted by people there isn't a universal mechanism that protects all living beings from harm.
and that's a pretty awful example, since the only thing stopping that is stopping you from defending yourself is your ridiculous ideology.
PraiseJesus123 1 year ago
@PraiseJesus123 oops, I'm typing on an iphone.
The only thing stopping you from defending yourself is your ridiculous ideology*
PraiseJesus123 1 year ago
@PraiseJesus123 You mean I should be trying to "defend" myself for choosing to be kind when possible??? Ooops! I never knew that... Here I was just trying to live the way I was brought up...
beaelliott 1 year ago
@PraiseJesus123 Let's forget about "rights" and just focus on "oughts". If we "ought" to be as kind as possible - One of the easiest ways is to NOT inflict harm or UNNECESSARY violence to innocent beings - Human or nonhuman... Very simple ideology to put into practice. It also seems to be the most "civilized" course as well.
beaelliott 1 year ago
@beaelliott we can retain a high state of culture and still kill animals for food, in fact herding and breeding animals is very civilized behaviour. we've been doing it for many millennia just never on this scale. A few compassionate people will agree with you it's maybe unethical
but you'll never win the argument that it's inherently evil or unnecessary.
as I've said before the validity of the existence of factory farms and the actual treatment of the animals are separate issues.
PraiseJesus123 1 year ago
@PraiseJesus123 YOU say we "can retain a high state of culture and still kill animals" --- I disagree. A high state of culture would imply that we've found alternative ways to bloodshed... YOU say "herding and breeding animals is very civilized behavior"... I disagree. Civilized behavior does not make life just to take it - Especially when there is no "need" to do so.Actually many/most people agree that causing unnecessary harm is wrong, they've just yet to question what "necessity" truly means.
beaelliott 1 year ago
@beaelliott i would consider the advancement of our methods agriculture to be civilized. it wouldn't imply that, again that's your interpretation.
PraiseJesus123 1 year ago
@PraiseJesus123 - And certainly you have your interpretation as well. May the most consistently honest argument win! Good life to you...
beaelliott 1 year ago
@beaelliott we're killed by bacteria every second of the day but no one is out protesting viruses and how cruel they are to us.
PraiseJesus123 1 year ago
@PraiseJesus123 I acknowledge your flippant remark. Too preposterous to respond to... Sorry.
beaelliott 1 year ago
its poultry**
PraiseJesus123 1 year ago
you know why they debeak them right?
because otherwise the birds kill each other
usually the smallest and least dominant, where do think the phrase pecking order came from?
the validity of the factory farms existence and the treatment of the animals are separate issues.
we should do more to improve the animals quality of life
unfortunately people don't want to pay for their meat.
you guys just can't accept the fact that nature is exceptionally cruel
morons
PraiseJesus123 1 year ago
@PraiseJesus123 They would harm each other because of the unnatural, extreme confinement. Left to their own devises chickens, like all birds have a pecking order... When a dominant bird wants to claim their territory they do so and the submissive birds just go another way. But of course when their is no escape as in a 3 x 4 foot cage - there is nowhere to go. Want to "improve" the life of an animal? Very simple - Don't eat them. Not necessary - Certainly not kind.
beaelliott 1 year ago
@beaelliott Wrong, I grew up on a free range farm and they would simply kill each other even with tons of space. we would lose a lot of birds because we didn't debeak them. please stop speaking of things you don't know anything about.
I'm not religious at all I just made this account name so christians would be more inclined to agree with me. It's weird, most of my comments become top rated.
PraiseJesus123 1 year ago
@PraiseJesus123 Well we have two versions of reality then.My husband & mother both grew up on a working farm-They too had large flocks of chickens that roamed a few acres and neither has any idea what "farmers" mean when they say the birds kill each other.It is not part of their experience at all.So who's "truth" is true?
The person who uses a (misleading) name to influence people? Or someone who wants reality - and their ability to communicate to be the deciding factor of being "agreed" with?
beaelliott 1 year ago
@beaelliott It's not misleading its more humorous than anything.
I'm not sure what is meant when you say affluent and someone much less than.....? less than what?
I'm thinking you're mistaken when you use the word affluent or you don't know the definition
are you questioning my maturity and the way I express myself on youtube or are you questioning my competence and education?
PraiseJesus123 1 year ago
@PraiseJesus123 Ummm... Your language is more akin to someone less than affluent --- That's what I meant.
I'm questioning how you can assume something about someone you have no idea about as "pant shitting". You're arrogant and assume so much --- Usually those with more worldliness measure their words with more care and grace. And I still think your reasons for choosing your user name (that religious people will believe you) is misleading and dishonest. Sorry.
beaelliott 1 year ago
@beaelliott i don't know how that's relevant at all? my parents are very well off and i make a very comfortable income. again i'm going to assume you don't know what the word means.
but yes i speak without inhibition in real life also and i get in trouble often
i don't feel it necessary to refine myself on here either
it's just a username and it shows their own bias.
PraiseJesus123 1 year ago
and no I don't really care if a bird is killed for it's poultry I've talked to many veterinarians and a few researchers and most agree that chickens can't even feel rudimentary emotion. People have the same right to eat meat as a tiger or any other carnivore just because we have a choice when it comes to our diet doesn't mean we have to change it. You're probably some jr.college going moron but look into our evolution.. if all we ate was raw vegetables we never would have gotten to where we are.
PraiseJesus123 1 year ago
@PraiseJesus123 No, far from college...Decades of experience and a desire to learn have been a much better teacher.Are you saying chickens don't experience pain?That takes science back a century... "Right" to eat meat when it's not necessary to kill?Totally disagree. Living on a plant based diet includes a lot more than raw vegetables.Finally, I'm not worrying about where we (possibly) came from THEN, but rather see the urgency in evolving into the NOW and the future.Meat is dead, literally.
beaelliott 1 year ago
@beaelliott Yeah one thing vegans never acknowledge is the fact that we kill all kinds of insects rats, mice and other rodents with synthetic and nonsynthetic pesticides. They don't have nervous systems either? they don't feel pain? It's okay for us to kill them to ensure larger yields?
I'm saying chickens don't have the awareness we do and the empathy felt for them is your own.
PraiseJesus123 1 year ago
@PraiseJesus123 I acknowledge that... BUT we don't deliberately breed and slaughter them. AND plant foods could be grown hydroponically and in other ways which would NOT require UNNECESSARY death.Besides --- Plant food is grown to fatten animals! Let's take those resources and feed people instead. ;)
In your view since chickens don't have the awareness we do... That would also justify killing human infants... The mentally disabled or harvesting organs from coma patients. No thanks.
beaelliott 1 year ago
@beaelliott the slippery slope fallacy doesn't help your cause.
and no it doesn't justify the killing of infants or any of the stuff you said, it just means there isn't a moral argument to be made on their behalf if we chose to do so.
PraiseJesus123 1 year ago
@PraiseJesus123 But your criteria (your justification) was based on a lack of "emotional" awareness. Some use "intelligence" to justify killing animals --- I disagree that there isn't a moral argument against killing innocent animals... Just look at history. This subject has been marching on for centuries. As we progress and become more "civilized" the subject and questions only grow.As our culture advances - the issue will only become more prominent... That's how we evolve.
beaelliott 1 year ago
@beaelliott meat is dead? so are the decaying plants we eat? there's no urgency to revert into a herbivorous species. We remain far more viable staying as nature intended which is something closer to a scavenger, like bears...
PraiseJesus123 1 year ago
@PraiseJesus123 - Meat is dead with a much greater cost than vegetable "life". It takes huge amounts of resources to fatten animals first... We should cut out the middle eater - Stop competing with animals for our food. The urgency to do the right thing is always there... To kill when it is not necessary to do so is wrong. Finding better ways to feed the population expected to double in the next hundred years is critical to our survival. Wait and see. ;)
beaelliott 1 year ago
@PraiseJesus123 That is NOT nature. Nature would be if we ran and hunted the chicken and killed it with our bare hands then ate it raw like every natural meat eater does. How even two people thumbs uped you is beyond me.
TypicalUsername1 11 months ago
@TypicalUsername1 not nature by your own definition?
even troglodytes cooked their food..
and yes chicks do peck at the weakest ones until they die, the behavior is part of their nature
as highly intelligent primates it's in our nature to exploit things in ways such as agriculture and farming
PraiseJesus123 11 months ago
@PraiseJesus123 Your name is "praisejesus" do you know Jesus was a vegetarian? And how do I know and declare this? Look it up if you don't believe me. In texts it was PROVEN that Jesus was a grandmaster of the Great White Brotherhood, a secretive and spiritual religious sect; they were and still are VEGETARIAN!
In case you don't believe me, then fathom this, do you really think the all merciful son of GOD would eat little innocent beings as food?
rivlukcoltd 11 months ago
@rivlukcoltd there's pretty much no documentation that jesus was even a real person, but there was probably some delusional figure like him, like socrates who also probably didn't exist.
and yeah i think if he wasn't a fairytale character he would eat fish and other animals, remember the fish and bread? retard.
PraiseJesus123 11 months ago
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rivlukcoltd 11 months ago
@PraiseJesus123 You're the contradicting retard, your username says "praisejesus" yet you say Jesus probably didn't exist? If a saint like Jesus didn't exist do you honestly think Christianity could last 2 millenniums ? Your concept of life and reality is so shallow it isn't even worth talking to you, therefore don't reply.
P.S You uneducated backwards idiot, ever heard of the Council of Nicaea 325AD? They basically made Mary Madelin a whore and edited half of the bible to their liking.
rivlukcoltd 11 months ago
@rivlukcoltd I have a masters in chemical engineering from Emory... you're calling me a retard because you can't pick up on the obvious facetiousness of my username, that's fine, god must make certain people slower than others for a reason...
hinduism is far older than christianity and you surely don't believe in vishnu
PraiseJesus123 11 months ago
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@PraiseJesus123 Read my reply to you and realized I called you retard too many times, I apologize for that, nothing else. I was angry and I didn't mean to direct personal insults. P.S If you want a real debate (and lose at it) come to the global and humanitarian summit this Sunday.
rivlukcoltd 11 months ago
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PraiseJesus123 11 months ago
@rivlukcoltd yeah they edited and rewrote something that was already exaggerated and mostly made up.
be more of an impressionable goob and go watch the davinci code again.
PraiseJesus123 11 months ago
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rivlukcoltd 11 months ago
@PraiseJesus123 All you want to do is argue instead of seeing(REALLY SEEING) the horrific video only a few inches above this message bar; I know narrow minded people like you very well, some are very successful academically yet anything outside of a academic subject you have absolutely no life experience or adaptability nor sense. I suggest you attend that global health and humanitarian summit in the WHSCAB building at Emory this Sunday.
P.S the answer to your suspicion is YES
rivlukcoltd 11 months ago
@rivlukcoltd i was thinking you're more likely a sociopath with google.
PraiseJesus123 11 months ago
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rivlukcoltd 11 months ago
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rivlukcoltd 11 months ago
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@PraiseJesus123 Read my reply to you and realized I called you retard too many times, I apologize for that, nothing else. I was angry and I didn't mean to direct personal insults. P.S If you want a real debate (and lose at it) come to the global and humanitarian summit this Sunday.
rivlukcoltd 11 months ago
@PraiseJesus123 If God decided we should eat animals, God wouldn't give them a CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM to feel pain!! Nor would God give them a brain to think, feel and love; God would have given them life but no senses to feel nor a brain to think and love, sounds like something else we eat that has LIFE but no CONSCIOUSNESS? VEGETABLES!!!!
rivlukcoltd 11 months ago
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PraiseJesus123 11 months ago
@rivlukcoltd if god is real why is he letting us pwn animals so hard lol
PraiseJesus123 11 months ago
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@PraiseJesus123 "if god is real why is he letting us pwn animals so hard lol" Is that honestly your reply? I'll be surprised if you even or ever will graduate from high school with that "lol" and "pwn" idiocy.
rivlukcoltd 11 months ago
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@PraiseJesus123 "if god is real why is he letting us pwn animals so hard lol" Is that in all honesty your reply? With that kind of idiocy "pwn" and "lol" dialog I doubt you had or ever will graduate from high school. In fact you're probably 13 years old, I hope you are or else it'll be kind of embarrassing.
rivlukcoltd 11 months ago
@rivlukcoltd yes that is my serious reply
my convention is completely appropriate for commenting on youtube
if you want formality i suggest going to a different forum
i'm 26, and from your responses i'm under the impression you're not much older
which is why i find it odd you equate the humorous use of internet jargon with idiocy
PraiseJesus123 11 months ago
@rivlukcoltd
i don't really understand your logic, god made vegetables for us but created gazelles for lions?
also according to many veterinary neurologists cows and chickens, can barely feel rudimentary emotion, pigs however have been proven to be highly intelligent and i sympathize with them a bit more than other animals. of course they feel pain, more regulations should be put in place to make slaughter houses more humane and refine the killing method to minimize unnecessary suffering.
PraiseJesus123 11 months ago
@PraiseJesus123 Did I not say DON'T REPLY YOU SAD LITTLE RETARD? You arrogant bastard, people like you just can't accept perhaps other people may possess insights and know something you don't or even more than you; tame your ego and STOP REPLYING! You "claim" to have a Masters degree in Chemical Engineering which I think you're full of it, yet you still type and communicate like a high school dropout. With your level of open mindedness I doubt you'll get anywhere in life. Good life and good bye
rivlukcoltd 11 months ago
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PraiseJesus123 11 months ago
@rivlukcoltd you're calling me arrogant while claiming to have to some magical insight not apparent nor available to the non-religious
i have no problem accepting there are people brighter and more knowledgable than myself
"people like you" just have a problem acknowledging that the historicity of jesus isn't verifiable
the non-biblical documentation and archaeological evidence is hardly convincing unless you were brought up to take it at face value. you're on the same boat as the jews /mslms
PraiseJesus123 11 months ago
@PraiseJesus123 I can say to you now that I believe in Jesus 100%. However, I am not and was not raised a Christian, nor do I read the bible like it's the only book worth reading, because it was NOT written by Jesus nor was it written by God, nor does it reflect the truth completely; therefore, don't label me, you don't know anything about me except from a few words I typed.
rivlukcoltd 11 months ago
@rivlukcoltd alright so direct me to the article or ancient preserved texts that convinced you so thoroughly or admit that you're taking the information you get from other people on faith and that you only believe in jesus out of self-preservation because the idea of there being no awareness after death scares you.
PraiseJesus123 11 months ago
@PraiseJesus123 It doesn't scare me because I have no doubt. Also dunno about you but I feel pretty aware and connected to my cosmic awareness. Don't assume all you know is all I know and don't think all you see is all I can see.
rivlukcoltd 11 months ago
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PraiseJesus123 11 months ago
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@rivlukcoltd yeah and the best part is you won't even know if you're wrong
because you'll be dead, must be nice to be able to convince yourself that jesus loves you and youre being divinely babysat.
PraiseJesus123 11 months ago
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rivlukcoltd 11 months ago
REBEL!
GainPeaceNotPounds 1 year ago
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rhyno81 1 year ago
more people need to see this kind of stuff
SpiderPuppets 1 year ago
Great video! Love the way you're raising awareness
minstrelsband 1 year ago
Like the title. Farming IS harming.
ChilliNonCarn 1 year ago
I choose to think for myself! To have my own mind and not follow the dictates of a twisted, unhealthy culture... Being vegan has never been easier or more critical for the sake of our bodies, the planet and the animals.
beaelliott 1 year ago 16
@beaelliott More like you're just an impressionable retard who has no background in the sciences.
PraiseJesus123 1 year ago
@PraiseJesus123 - Ah yes... "praise Jesus" would know all about the "sciences". LOL!
beaelliott 1 year ago
@beaelliott I have a masters in chemical engineering so yeah I know quite a bit more than the average pant shitting youtube user.
PraiseJesus123 1 year ago
@PraiseJesus123 But your language does not indicate that you are affluent... But someone much less than.
beaelliott 1 year ago