I think this video is refreshing. I think if wrestlers did tai chi push hands, they would benefit. Fact is , all styles have unique skills. I agree with everything said in this video. Hell, even Vitor Belfort got inspiration from wing chun in his "vitor blitz", but he modified it a bit. All arts are beneficial. Unless you have actually dug deep in other arts, the negative posters will never understand. great video!!
@randyds5 Thanks for the comment. A buddy of mine is a good wrestler, who has also been practicing taiji with me. He just took a fight on 12 days notice, and basically only knows wrestling and kung fu. Hopefully, he does well and I can post another video soon to better illustrate your point.
the stuff is just too complicated to be practical.
you can gain practical useful knowledge just from bagwork and hard sparring.
one thing ive seen personally is that once you actually try and use these striking martial arts, it all ends up looking like kickboxing or sanda. in that case, why not learn that in the first place.
@AFGalwayz That's a good point but you must admit there is a big difference between, sanda, muay thai, and IKF kick boxing. There's also a big difference between southern and northern Muay Thai. When Taiji is used under kick boxing rules it does take on the appearance of kick boxing, but if the practitioner is competent, the Taiji or Kungfu style also has its own unique characteristics as well.
@GOG777 yes i understand that there are differences within the same arts. for example, there many different styles in boxing. but in the end its all boxing. i see it the same way here. yes these arts will prefer perhaps a focus on different types of attacks, i.e. kicks instead of punches, knees instead of elbows. etc etc.
but in the end in a lot of cases they look so different than the forms or training that they do, that they actually look closer to other full contact sparring arts.
Hopefully after this summer, when I've put another 540 hours into Taiji, I'll be able to show you something approximating true Chinese combat science. At present, I have to admit that the evidence available online is all on your side of the debate. Thanks for watching my videos and double thanks for thinking enough of what you saw to leave a comment!
@AFGalwayz you should check out my channel and say that. Sure boxing/kickboxing is a great base to have. I think everyone should start in boxing, but kung fu has alot of "little" tricks that can make you very unorthodox. I think kung fu alone is very limited, but mixed with other base arts, it can make you very tricky fighter. Check out paul vunak too. He uses kino mutai, wing chun, muay thai, bjj......the navy seals even sought him out. All arts have value.
The reason why it is complicated is because the traditional martial art masters made it so. In the past, masters would fear that if they taught their secrets to their apprentices, they would run out of business. They would go as far as masking the techniques into a dance and have all the apprentices to practice the dance so that visitors would have no idea what is going on. And then they would only teach the applications to their most preferred apprentices.
Chinese people are stubborn with tradition. Because of such stubbornness, a lot of the martial art applications are lost.
KickBoxing, Thai or Sanda have the applications broken down to simple steps. And then they train their apprentices for quick response with various variations over and over so that they can execute them without thinking. The same can be done with traditional martial arts like TaiChi.
They just have to break down TaiChi moves and do the different variations until fighters can execute them without second though but reflex. Well, that is also part of the reason why Chinese martial arts require practitioners to do the dances like zillions of times so that they can execute them without second thought.
@kyon9394 you can execute dances a zillion times but someone who put the same amount of effort and time and has the same natural skill as you, will be much better than you at self defence / fighting. i understand its not always about being the better fighter and the other aspects of martial arts are also beneficial but strictly from a self defence and fighting stand point there are much better and useful options a person can practice if he wants to truly dedicate himself to that cause.
That is because the dances have way too strict positioning and timing. Let's say that if we were to break down those dance moves and practice them separately at different distances, angles and variations; then they would just be as effective as Boxing for example. Boxers that specialize on uppercuts practice uppercuts at different angles, heights and timing. The same can be done with traditional Chinese martial arts but those "traditional arts" are too stubborn to do it.
@kyon9394 i agree and there is where the problem lies. a good example is if you look at youtube there is aiki boxing series where some aikido practitioners try go out of the norm and have a little sparring. it all ends up looking like sloppy boxing mixed in with a standard judo throw here and there. this is because they have not practiced aikido in a full contact situation, so they have no perception of "effectiveness" and what works in what situation.
@pudgypaggins69 Thanks for the comment. All martial arts work best when combined with years of experience. A knee to the head counters the double leg take down, so does the sprawl, or stepping backward. Karo Parisian put a similar move in his victory belt book "judo for mixed martial arts" calling it Oochi Gari.
@GOG777 what a clown. u teach martial arts? to whom? losers like you? jesus. ill teach your face some of my boxing and ill be rearranging your face and not letters you phony ass geek. give me your entire name and we'll go from there. god i wanna stomp your face until your half dead you fake ass posing bruce lee wanna be. give me your name and either me or somebody will reach you. now ur name. an ur address too if u wanna make it easier for me. back your shit up coz this shit is real
@McStealthier Thank you for you interest in my services, which definitely include helping grumpy people with too much time on their hands blow off some steam. You can find out all about me on my blog: Fangmountain com. Just go down to the bottom of the page to see my full name. Don't forget to leave a comment ;-)
This reminds me of the applied kinesthetics tests that Power Balance Bracelet peddlers use.
Fighting isn't about chi, pressure points or some mystical 'energy'. Fighting is a small hairy man closing his forearm around your neck until you fall asleep.
You can waste years of your life learning about where you can get enough momentum to shove your friend around, or you can learn how to actually punch/grapple/wrestle/submit someone.
Exactly. If you want to rid yourself of any romantic illusions that you may have about martial arts, imagine yourself being choked out by a midget Robin Williams.
@GOG777 you kids will never get a girlfriend let alone actual normal friends. i mean u probably believe in son gokou and shit. grow the fuck up uve been watching too much jet li movies. and dont use that double edged sword bullshit on me coz whoopin your ass and opening your eyes would be a great pleasure.
@GOG777 bahaha.... when u win against a 12 year old girl then u can challenge me MClovin. shit. start practicing the HADOUKEN too. Listen cupcake, i only wish i was your neighbor so i can easily walk up to your house and burn your pink bike infront of you then put your skinny ass on a headlock and flick your white boy nose until you scream uncle. damn u just might be in my neighborhood. so where u at Jenny?
@McStealthier You do realize that I'm just re-arranging the letter or your name right? A word or phrase that has the same letters as another word or phrase is called an anagram. Just one of the many fun activities that you can enjoy at your local MENSA club. I agree it would be nice if we turned out to be neighbors! I teach martial arts at the University Of South Carolina. All joking aside if you want to come by and try out some martial arts to see if you like it we'd welcome you.
I enjoy your videos bro. Keeping the weight in the feet and expressing it in the hands has been what I found to be the most effective. Its the relaxation that creates the weight in the feet, when expressed in the hands is very nasty stuff. I wrote a book explaining this theory I call the Central Unified Weight Theory. You can check out my site if interested. Keep the videos flowing.
@jonathanbluestein Thanks for the comment! I've had about 12 years in the martial arts, going from Karate to JKD to 10th planet BJJ, and finally The Fang Mountain System which is composed mostly of Yang Style Taiji Quan and Yi Quan. I still love BJJ though, and train mostly with other MMA athletes while I'm in the US. My lineage is Yang Lu Zhan-Liu Zi Xia-Si Yong Liang-Zhang Man Zhun (My sifu).
@GOG777 Nice :-) I like the Yang Luchan original forms better than the modern Chengfu/CMC stuff. Glad you get to show the MMA guys what IMA are really worth. How long have you been studying with your shifu? What made you do that huge move from primarily "external" martial arts to Yang Taiji? It's very rare to hear about someone moving away from BJJ to Taiji Quan!
@jonathanbluestein Being from a smaller state like SC I really studied according to what teachers I could find not the style, because I had few choices. When I met Mr. Zhang in 06 he showed me that Taiji was a subtle but also scientific fighting art that could accomplish the goal of winning fights in a stylish yet efficient way. When I finally found a way to get back to Beijing and study with him, I found him again, and he turned out to be such a cool guy I decided to follow his style.
By the way, the school I belong to is named after Li Tian Ji (Longfei). His nephew, Professor Li Deyin is the head of our organization. Thanks for the open invitation.
The explanation was fairly good...we practice similar exercises as well...I used to teach some MMA guys back in the UK...the Tai Chi stuff worked very well, especially the short distance power & applications...I'm glad you gave him this insight...
@LowKickSlick Thanks! Sadly, my fajing is not very strong yet, so I'm not able to really demonstrate what kungfu can do. Fortunately Stephen and a few other fighters are coming out to China with me this summer for some hard training and some fights, so they'll be able to experience the real thing first hand. I really liked the videos on your channel. I wish I was on the opposite coast right now so I could pay your school a visit!
@shengchenfan Thanks! You make an important point that this isn't just a Tai Chi thing, it applies just as well to arts like your Five Animals Fist. I really liked your videos, and would definitely recommend them to anybody who enjoyed this video. Do you ever train in China? Maybe I'll get to meet you out there someday.
@shengchenfan Haha, I thought you'd trained in China. Watching you videos made me feel guilty about not training hard enough, I'm going to go do some finger pushups so that I won't get laughed at when I get back to China.
COG777 Good stuff.
taijicannon 6 months ago
I think this video is refreshing. I think if wrestlers did tai chi push hands, they would benefit. Fact is , all styles have unique skills. I agree with everything said in this video. Hell, even Vitor Belfort got inspiration from wing chun in his "vitor blitz", but he modified it a bit. All arts are beneficial. Unless you have actually dug deep in other arts, the negative posters will never understand. great video!!
randyds5 1 year ago
@randyds5 Thanks for the comment. A buddy of mine is a good wrestler, who has also been practicing taiji with me. He just took a fight on 12 days notice, and basically only knows wrestling and kung fu. Hopefully, he does well and I can post another video soon to better illustrate your point.
GOG777 1 year ago
the stuff is just too complicated to be practical.
you can gain practical useful knowledge just from bagwork and hard sparring.
one thing ive seen personally is that once you actually try and use these striking martial arts, it all ends up looking like kickboxing or sanda. in that case, why not learn that in the first place.
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
@AFGalwayz That's a good point but you must admit there is a big difference between, sanda, muay thai, and IKF kick boxing. There's also a big difference between southern and northern Muay Thai. When Taiji is used under kick boxing rules it does take on the appearance of kick boxing, but if the practitioner is competent, the Taiji or Kungfu style also has its own unique characteristics as well.
GOG777 1 year ago
@GOG777 yes i understand that there are differences within the same arts. for example, there many different styles in boxing. but in the end its all boxing. i see it the same way here. yes these arts will prefer perhaps a focus on different types of attacks, i.e. kicks instead of punches, knees instead of elbows. etc etc.
but in the end in a lot of cases they look so different than the forms or training that they do, that they actually look closer to other full contact sparring arts.
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
Hopefully after this summer, when I've put another 540 hours into Taiji, I'll be able to show you something approximating true Chinese combat science. At present, I have to admit that the evidence available online is all on your side of the debate. Thanks for watching my videos and double thanks for thinking enough of what you saw to leave a comment!
GOG777 1 year ago
@AFGalwayz you should check out my channel and say that. Sure boxing/kickboxing is a great base to have. I think everyone should start in boxing, but kung fu has alot of "little" tricks that can make you very unorthodox. I think kung fu alone is very limited, but mixed with other base arts, it can make you very tricky fighter. Check out paul vunak too. He uses kino mutai, wing chun, muay thai, bjj......the navy seals even sought him out. All arts have value.
randyds5 1 year ago
@randyds5 i agree. the more you know the better of course.
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
@AFGalwayz
The reason why it is complicated is because the traditional martial art masters made it so. In the past, masters would fear that if they taught their secrets to their apprentices, they would run out of business. They would go as far as masking the techniques into a dance and have all the apprentices to practice the dance so that visitors would have no idea what is going on. And then they would only teach the applications to their most preferred apprentices.
kyon9394 7 months ago
@AFGalwayz
Chinese people are stubborn with tradition. Because of such stubbornness, a lot of the martial art applications are lost.
KickBoxing, Thai or Sanda have the applications broken down to simple steps. And then they train their apprentices for quick response with various variations over and over so that they can execute them without thinking. The same can be done with traditional martial arts like TaiChi.
kyon9394 7 months ago
@AFGalwayz
They just have to break down TaiChi moves and do the different variations until fighters can execute them without second though but reflex. Well, that is also part of the reason why Chinese martial arts require practitioners to do the dances like zillions of times so that they can execute them without second thought.
kyon9394 7 months ago
@kyon9394 you can execute dances a zillion times but someone who put the same amount of effort and time and has the same natural skill as you, will be much better than you at self defence / fighting. i understand its not always about being the better fighter and the other aspects of martial arts are also beneficial but strictly from a self defence and fighting stand point there are much better and useful options a person can practice if he wants to truly dedicate himself to that cause.
AFGalwayz 7 months ago
@AFGalwayz
That is because the dances have way too strict positioning and timing. Let's say that if we were to break down those dance moves and practice them separately at different distances, angles and variations; then they would just be as effective as Boxing for example. Boxers that specialize on uppercuts practice uppercuts at different angles, heights and timing. The same can be done with traditional Chinese martial arts but those "traditional arts" are too stubborn to do it.
kyon9394 7 months ago
@kyon9394 i agree and there is where the problem lies. a good example is if you look at youtube there is aiki boxing series where some aikido practitioners try go out of the norm and have a little sparring. it all ends up looking like sloppy boxing mixed in with a standard judo throw here and there. this is because they have not practiced aikido in a full contact situation, so they have no perception of "effectiveness" and what works in what situation.
AFGalwayz 2 months ago
Left hook to the face counters "an interesting take down" I think kung fu can be used only if you have years of experience :)
pudgypaggins69 1 year ago
@pudgypaggins69 Thanks for the comment. All martial arts work best when combined with years of experience. A knee to the head counters the double leg take down, so does the sprawl, or stepping backward. Karo Parisian put a similar move in his victory belt book "judo for mixed martial arts" calling it Oochi Gari.
GOG777 1 year ago
@GOG777 what a clown. u teach martial arts? to whom? losers like you? jesus. ill teach your face some of my boxing and ill be rearranging your face and not letters you phony ass geek. give me your entire name and we'll go from there. god i wanna stomp your face until your half dead you fake ass posing bruce lee wanna be. give me your name and either me or somebody will reach you. now ur name. an ur address too if u wanna make it easier for me. back your shit up coz this shit is real
McStealthier 1 year ago
@McStealthier Thank you for you interest in my services, which definitely include helping grumpy people with too much time on their hands blow off some steam. You can find out all about me on my blog: Fangmountain com. Just go down to the bottom of the page to see my full name. Don't forget to leave a comment ;-)
GOG777 1 year ago
@McStealthier I practice TaiJi Quan. ANd I can see that he knows it very well. All I can tell you, is be careful. Good luck.
dekal1 1 year ago
This reminds me of the applied kinesthetics tests that Power Balance Bracelet peddlers use.
Fighting isn't about chi, pressure points or some mystical 'energy'. Fighting is a small hairy man closing his forearm around your neck until you fall asleep.
You can waste years of your life learning about where you can get enough momentum to shove your friend around, or you can learn how to actually punch/grapple/wrestle/submit someone.
Itsnattatooma 1 year ago
@Itsnattatooma How small? 5'8">? How hairy? Like Robin Williams Hairy?
GOG777 1 year ago
@GOG777
Exactly. If you want to rid yourself of any romantic illusions that you may have about martial arts, imagine yourself being choked out by a midget Robin Williams.
Itsnattatooma 1 year ago
@Itsnattatooma He'd have to be at least a purple belt ;-)
GOG777 1 year ago
This guy should use his Chi powers to get a haircut and clean his apartment.
koston08 1 year ago
@koston08 I have decided to respond in code: Sorry, I guess I was too busy using my powers to -l-w -o-- -o-!
GOG777 1 year ago
fagmountain
McStealthier 1 year ago
@McStealthier Touché sir, touché.
GOG777 1 year ago
@McStealthier But I wouldn't throw stones if I were you Mr. McAteHerSlit. Wordplay is truly a double edged sword!
GOG777 1 year ago
@GOG777 I have no Idea how that posted three times. Sorry about that!
GOG777 1 year ago
@GOG777 you kids will never get a girlfriend let alone actual normal friends. i mean u probably believe in son gokou and shit. grow the fuck up uve been watching too much jet li movies. and dont use that double edged sword bullshit on me coz whoopin your ass and opening your eyes would be a great pleasure.
McStealthier 1 year ago
@McStealthier I accept your challenge MC Shitslater on the condition you provide video proof that you are over the age of 12 and not a girl.
GOG777 1 year ago
@GOG777 bahaha.... when u win against a 12 year old girl then u can challenge me MClovin. shit. start practicing the HADOUKEN too. Listen cupcake, i only wish i was your neighbor so i can easily walk up to your house and burn your pink bike infront of you then put your skinny ass on a headlock and flick your white boy nose until you scream uncle. damn u just might be in my neighborhood. so where u at Jenny?
McStealthier 1 year ago
@McStealthier You do realize that I'm just re-arranging the letter or your name right? A word or phrase that has the same letters as another word or phrase is called an anagram. Just one of the many fun activities that you can enjoy at your local MENSA club. I agree it would be nice if we turned out to be neighbors! I teach martial arts at the University Of South Carolina. All joking aside if you want to come by and try out some martial arts to see if you like it we'd welcome you.
GOG777 1 year ago
I enjoy your videos bro. Keeping the weight in the feet and expressing it in the hands has been what I found to be the most effective. Its the relaxation that creates the weight in the feet, when expressed in the hands is very nasty stuff. I wrote a book explaining this theory I call the Central Unified Weight Theory. You can check out my site if interested. Keep the videos flowing.
Peace!
JWMuslim 1 year ago
Oh, and besides that, great video!
jonathanbluestein 1 year ago
Was just wondering - how long have you been practicing Taiji Quan? Any martial experience before that? What is your exact lineage?
jonathanbluestein 1 year ago
@jonathanbluestein Thanks for the comment! I've had about 12 years in the martial arts, going from Karate to JKD to 10th planet BJJ, and finally The Fang Mountain System which is composed mostly of Yang Style Taiji Quan and Yi Quan. I still love BJJ though, and train mostly with other MMA athletes while I'm in the US. My lineage is Yang Lu Zhan-Liu Zi Xia-Si Yong Liang-Zhang Man Zhun (My sifu).
GOG777 1 year ago
@GOG777 Nice :-) I like the Yang Luchan original forms better than the modern Chengfu/CMC stuff. Glad you get to show the MMA guys what IMA are really worth. How long have you been studying with your shifu? What made you do that huge move from primarily "external" martial arts to Yang Taiji? It's very rare to hear about someone moving away from BJJ to Taiji Quan!
jonathanbluestein 1 year ago
@jonathanbluestein Being from a smaller state like SC I really studied according to what teachers I could find not the style, because I had few choices. When I met Mr. Zhang in 06 he showed me that Taiji was a subtle but also scientific fighting art that could accomplish the goal of winning fights in a stylish yet efficient way. When I finally found a way to get back to Beijing and study with him, I found him again, and he turned out to be such a cool guy I decided to follow his style.
GOG777 1 year ago
By the way, the school I belong to is named after Li Tian Ji (Longfei). His nephew, Professor Li Deyin is the head of our organization. Thanks for the open invitation.
LowKickSlick 1 year ago
@LowKickSlick No problem, haveing friends all over the world is one of the best things about practicing martial arts. I'll look up about your school.
GOG777 1 year ago
The explanation was fairly good...we practice similar exercises as well...I used to teach some MMA guys back in the UK...the Tai Chi stuff worked very well, especially the short distance power & applications...I'm glad you gave him this insight...
LowKickSlick 1 year ago
@LowKickSlick Thanks! I really liked the videos on your channel. I wish I was on the opposite coast right now so I could pay your school a visit!
GOG777 1 year ago
@GOG777 Thanks to you as well. I'm in San Antonio, TX, so if you ever make it this way, it would be great to me up...
LowKickSlick 1 year ago
@LowKickSlick Naturally, the same goes for you and your students if you ever find yourself in Beijing.
GOG777 1 year ago
@LowKickSlick Thanks! Sadly, my fajing is not very strong yet, so I'm not able to really demonstrate what kungfu can do. Fortunately Stephen and a few other fighters are coming out to China with me this summer for some hard training and some fights, so they'll be able to experience the real thing first hand. I really liked the videos on your channel. I wish I was on the opposite coast right now so I could pay your school a visit!
GOG777 1 year ago
Great stuff and lots of truth.I came to the same point in understanding how to emit that type of power.
shengchenfan 1 year ago
@shengchenfan Thanks! You make an important point that this isn't just a Tai Chi thing, it applies just as well to arts like your Five Animals Fist. I really liked your videos, and would definitely recommend them to anybody who enjoyed this video. Do you ever train in China? Maybe I'll get to meet you out there someday.
GOG777 1 year ago
@GOG777 I live in Hong Kong in 1985 for a year 1/2.
shengchenfan 1 year ago
@shengchenfan Haha, I thought you'd trained in China. Watching you videos made me feel guilty about not training hard enough, I'm going to go do some finger pushups so that I won't get laughed at when I get back to China.
GOG777 1 year ago