is't the real reason health care is so outrageous, is the 40% of all Americans Don't have health Insurance and more the 50% of thos cant pay the bills given to them if they have to go to the ER, And that cost is then transfered over to the ones that do have Insurance!
...to intimidation tactics by the White House in a commentary may grab attention, the simple ‘sense on cents’ embodied in this story has to do with the implication of lessened revenues for hospitals as a result of Obamacare leading to their sale.
read so much MORE! Intimidation tactics - this story is amazing.
Study: ObamaCare will make doctor shortage 50% worse by 2015
No matter what drivel the libs post here - KNOW the TRUTH - there is ZERO $ in the legislation for INCREASED RESOURCES - no adding docs, nurses, PAs, PTs - so wait times will increase and care will SUFFER.
Any child with any abilities of deduction can figure this out.
government can NOT run anything better or more efficiently than private sector
all govt can do is TAKE from those that are productive, and redistribute to those who are not productive....... all while shaving off a good portion for the bureaucracy along the way
this new HC bill creates literally over 100 new bureaucracies
all this while running massive deficits and over 10% unemployment rate
Looks like someone in the Obama administration has "hacked" this video. Let it play to the end and it automatically redirects to another video featuring Obama's propaganda.
f.e. the waiting lines in Canada is bogus. I believe there are some hospitals who might have longer waiting lines than others, but there is no reason why there should be any longer waiting lines than f.e. in America.
If you're bringing up the "we have more doctors" argument, f.e. Belgium, my country, has twice the amount of doctors than America per capita, so down the drain goes your argument and this "professional" is lying [and probably delibaretely]
Can anyone say, "coincidence?" Too bad that I, along with the rest of this nation, will believe what PROFESSIONALS say. I am sorry, but video evidence along with a professional consult results in an unbiased truth.
There is no real evidence you can show me that waiting lines in Canada are generally longer because that evidence simply does not exist :-)
Get it into your thick skull that these media in your country are not bringing you news they bring you drama but reporters should be a-political while the bring news and in America this is absolutely NOT the case. I have compared systems because I had problems on both sides of the water, you have not.
@bordenwesley Then give me statistics on long waiting lines in Canada, not some one guy who for all I know could've been picked out by the network to say this and that to give Canada's social healthcare a bad name. If it were so bad in the first place they would ahve it removed by now. Think please it can help you understand some things in life once and a while...
@bordenwesley oh yeah! the peter roff who used to be the director of GOPAC... "a national organization dedicated exclusively to electing Republicans to state and local offices" ofcourtse he's going to make an unbiased article...
Get a grip Republicans are here to scam you not help you please get some sense into your life. I'm not saying democrats are all that but it sure as hell beats a republican vote anywhere any time and any day...
@bordenwesley Well yes I did now and it came out as expected [which is why I didn't care to read unless you explicitly asked] and the source is yet again an all-pro-conservative think-tank who release statistics for what they are known to do incorrectly serving incorrect data and information. This is, as expected, where your "unbiased" reporter gets his "facts" from. I've done enough digging, there is nothing left. I suggest you do thesame.
Uhm... no... I never did and I don't know if I said it here but I know I've said it before and it is that democrats are a hell of a lot better choice than reps. trust me. I'm not saying they're great but if anyone can move America forward even by the slightest it will be a non-conservative party and there is only one option at the moment. I hope that changes for you in the future.
You want to move America forward by increasing the national debt and by lowering our quality of health care which will inevitably cause even more innocent people to die? This sounds like an all around bad option for the US.
You are right in one aspect. Dems do want to change everything (for better or for worse).
If Republicans are never right, than neither are Democrats. Both put out biased facts and statistics.
Ok so now suddenly you switch into auto-mode again?
"Hmm said this before... say it again... hrrmmm..."
Yes what you said there would sound like a bad option. I wouldn't like it. Though EVERY modern western country adopts it = it's not a bad option, it's your BEST option.
Well if the democrats don't suit you I might agree but at least you have a chance "for the better" I know that with republicans it's a 100% guaranteed "for the worse".
We've gone over this already it's bullshit this video is not telling you the truth.
If you recognize it as suicide then go ask all those people what kind of system they want: the American system or a social system... I think you already know the results.
So no it's not a suicide act just because all those countries adopt it.
Finally somebody is actually trying to help you but it's like you have shutters on.
They are trying to help me by raising my income tax and by taxing me another 40% on my health insurance premiums? I don't see you citing any evidence for your claims. At least I provided a video plus some other polls as evidence.
This bill will lower the quality of health care which will result in worse treatment overall. I pay 33% in income tax, I'd hardly call that pocket change.
@bordenwesley I pay 50% income tax. BTW that's basicly the only tax you pay.
We pay taxes on everything. Everything we buy from cookies to oil. And alot of other taxes on top. Income tax is not the only thing. So yes, compared to what I for example have to pay, your 33% is pocket change.
That bill will not lower your quality. The quality of health care here is at least as good as in America. Our doctors are trained as well as yours, so basicly it's even logical it is as good.
Ok so that proves that in Britain the survival rates are a few percentages lower than in America, though in my country they rival yours, and we have thesame system as in Britain.
If you think about that, how do you think that's possible?
2 Comparable systems. 2 Different rates.
I'm sorry but I think the "other factors" are left out. Health care alone doesn't supply the reasons for people dying of cancer.
Oh and btw its source is again a conservative think tank [NCPA]. We all know most conservatives are pretty biased and do anything they can to promote their cause, like pulling out bogus stats.
This organisation is "conveniently" lead by some businessmen who have more than enough reasons to keep private health insurance alive.
Can you give me stats from another source giving me thesame results?
Plus again you're just saying stuff you're not actually showing me stats. of a country where social healthcare has gone so demonstrably wrong that they get the idea of changing it into a system like America's system.
Oh yeah and if you talk about people going to America for care... if I had a trillion dollars I would also go to America for care because if you have ALOT of money I reckon it's the best country in the world... but I don't... and I guess you don't either.
funniest line so far - "if I had a trillion dollars I would also go to America for care because if you have ALOT of money I reckon it's the best country in the world"
so basically what you endorse is reducing the overall quality of US care in order to spread substandard care to more people. BRILLIANT!!!
thats the liberal motto - "Spreading Equal Misery Equally!"
So we make it overall qualitative AND affordable. The other options still remain if you have the means for it, just like it does here.
If you understand the system, than you'd know doctors get paid here as much as they do in America, the only thing that pays those doctors is our government. Now know what I'm saying, our government does not EMPLOY these doctors. We get subsedies through our health care provider [yes you have several, depending on your situation in life...
Clearly you don't know what I'm talking about so I suggest you stay away from topics you have no knowledge of.
You won't find many people in Europe who are against their system. It works great and it has been that way for more than 60 years now.
We had thesame discussion then as you do now. We made the good decision.
Saying it was not a good decision is going against the countries with social healthcare, where about 90% of the people say it owns your healthcare. Good luck and merry christmas.
blame yourself for your lack of communication skills if not understood
i'd like "free" grocery insurance. bet 90% of people would. still wouldnt make it right
you didnt have the same discussion then as we are here now. you had a war torn & destroyed continent struggling with a way to rebuild. we dont. we have leftist politicians looking to take control of peoples lives & freedoms. freedoms euros dont have, and wouldnt understand.
goodbye and happy solstice, elitist pagan eurotrash
You're comparing apples with oranges. "Grocery insurance" is not thesame as health insurance.
I know my history and yes Europe was recovering from a war but that didn't mean they didn't discuss new approaches. In essence it was thesame discussion.
You look at your politicians as if they were power hungry maniacs. If that is so, then change your politicians, but don't bash on a system that is proven to work.
you need food to live so "grocery insurance" would be MORE essential than health insurance dont worry, we will change our politicians and the healthcare bill is all about control, plain & simple eat more than we say, we tax you go tanning, we tax you skydive, we tax you young, we tax you more hey, all that costs more for 'the system' so govt HAS TO control it govt control we dont want it why we left in the first place
Freedom? I can't even get into America without being bodychecked. I don't call that freedom. If I'm 15 years old, I can't drink a beer. In America I can't smoke cannabis. Freedoms I enjoy. Come on... get real your country is as free as ours. BTW I can also choose between healthcare providers and Obama is doing thesame thing BTW giving you private insurance options alongside the public option, so nobody is infringing your freedom [which is actually only a sense of freedom]
...So much for "no free choice"] with which we can pay the doctor. So European quality = USA quality. Profits are zero. Government also puts money into research. Think about it. Private insurers DO NOT put most of their profits into new research, but more into their own pockets. Knowing health care here costs less, enough money flows into research matching, again, the American standards...
Well yes because all the money is in private hands. Here government and universities do the research and as far as I know Europe and especially Belgium, my country for example, is very innovative and groundbreaking in that area, f.e. hearing aids etc.
Capitalism has done us good, but it doesn't apply when it comes to your health. Your health shouldn't be competed upon it should just be taken care of.
hence a free market approach to healthcare would result in greater coverage, better service, improved efficiency, at lower cost.
all of this is moot anyways, since you can hardly compare Belgium to the US, since Belgium is the size & population of one of our smallest states. the 2 are simply incomparable
...Right now I believe, China even passes these standards in the field of medical research [such as stem cell research] though there are other factors to consider.
The only misery happens is when people get denied care. Once it happens to you, you'll understand where I'm coming from. Right now you're just the selfish individual you were raised to be.
there are free clinics. emergency care can not be denied
and there are charitable hospitals all over
and in the event you cannot afford the care you have been given, a hospital will negotiate, and even wave fees for services, donate services, and there are programs for free & low cost prescription drugs
the only real lies here is what you've apparently been told about the US healthcare system
Yeah the only downside is, after you got the care, you'll have to work off the debt the rest of your life but hey everything is just A O.K. with that.
I doubt there are that many charity run hospitals and even STILL those hospitals work on thesame principals as gov. hospitals since they are from the many to the few.
If care is free in America, it most likely government run, remember that.
Belgium was founded as a free nation lol wtf are you saying. You set no standard mr. I'm-better-than-you.
and the cost would be lower if there were competition for your business. thats simple economics. of course i wouldnt expect euro-elitists to understand that.
charity hospitals do NOT work on the same principles as govt hospitals. charity is a choice, govt doesnt give you choice, they give you limits
i didnt say i set the standard, i said the US sets the standard. a standard you people cant live up to.
you believe in govt control, good for you! keep it over there though. we dont want it
Look. I know you're not going to be convinced so I wish you well when you get sick I wouldn't want to be where you're at when it gets ugly for you.
I'm not sure what you mean by "Euro-elitist". If it means that I care for people who are less off, then yes I am, and proud of it too.
I don't believe in government "control" which is not what it is but if you want to remain in that fantasy go ahead, I believe in a part capitalistic part social society that moves but not leaves the rest behind.
I don't have to imagine I can see your militairy debt right now.
And grats for saving us during WW2 it's appreciated and yes America is a world power... though I if Europe would fall under some foreign invader I don't think America would last very long... at least not with all the oil America DOESN'T have.
That's why everybody doesn't like America. You act as if you're the biggest, meanest, toughest kid on the block, but I'm looking at China and India... hmmm tough break.
This socialist health care idea is an all around bad idea to incorporate into this nation. Socialism fails, in a sense, because of it's obsession with class warfare. In a community, the producers are always going to make more money than the non-producers or under-producers because they either work harder, are smarter, or are more tenacious. Why is their wealth undeserved? The reason why so many support this socialist idea is because they realize that they can vote the producer's money into
Yes and that's still the way it is here, but that doesn't mean you need to discard the ones that are not the entrepeneurs, who are the majority.
I never said their wealth is undeserved. Do you think that over here companies make less money than workers? Ofcourse not. It's their shared responsibility that they keep their workers and the community that gave them the opportunity to become what they are, to keep that intact and deal with them respectfully. That's what you don't understand.
their pockets. This envy is what fuels the socialist ideals, but are they good? No, because they also fuel laziness. Capitalism can also be fueled by envy, as well, but that envy is translated into more productivity from everyone who is envious. This increase in productivity is beneficial to everyone. With capitalism, the producer is going to produce more to keep up, while the nonproducer is enticed to become a producer. Liberalism and Socialism gives the nonproducer no incentive to get
That's the twisted view you have of socialism. We don't want to steal money from the wealthy we want the wealthy that became wealthy because they have good workers to support those workers and not treat them like crap like they do in America.
Private healthcare doesn't care... it accepts your money and takes care of you as long as their profits are secured.
Social healthcare takes care regardless, the way it SHOULD BE considering your health is the MOST important thing in our life.
a job or become a producer. These types of people suck the money right out of the economy. When this happens, it kills innovation. With the lack of innovation in health care technology and pharmaceuticals, this country's health care quality will begin to drop at an increasing rate each and every year. This will cause even more deaths, that could have been prevented, occur. Why are you supporting a liberal/ socialist system that will yield even more unnecessary deaths?
Capitalism has its merits, but because it's a stone cold killer that indeed weeds out the lazy, it can't be applied to health care which provides life and life goes above all things: money, wealth, power you name it. At least that's how I think about it.
And yet even if it takes care of the lazy, it also takes care of the people that simply can't afford even though they are productive in their line of work, since health care is so damn expensive.
You talk about the community giving companies the opportunity. How do they do this? Is there a committee that states which companies should be allowed to practice and which ones shouldn't?
Like every other business, private insurers are in it to make a profit. We give them the RIGHT to deny coverage and drop us if they feel the need to. Don't blame them, but rather blame yourself for giving them that RIGHT.
Capitalism is not a stone cold killer. In my previous posts I mentioned how Obama's plan would yield even more unnecessary deaths than already occur right now.
Above the government and private companies, the under-producers and non-producers want the money that the producers make! They realize that they can simply vote it into their pockets which is why Obama's plan is so popular. You need to take into effect the long term effects, however.
The money private companies first raised their company comes from the people that entrusted their money to a bank where that private owner raises his company with, for starters.
Then without workers those companies can never grow the way they do, and the way companies treat the workers is: "I don't really need you anymore so I'll just drop you". In Europe in all sectors they indeed have that right to just fire someone if they don't need them anymore. [cont.]
... but at least they have to pay him a sum of money equal to one full year of that worker's wage, so he just doesn't fall into a dark pit he can't crawl out of [think about mortgages etc.]
BUT this can't be the case when it's about your health. Regardless of who you are or what you do you should be helped out because it's a life we're talking about.
In other cases it's somebodies eyes, legs, arms whatever...
Think about you actually helping people instead of "they are taking my money!"
mortgages? think about the government programs that forced banks to loan money to lower income people who had no business buying a house..Get a job..oh wait..
Show me undeniable proof that Obama's plan is going to cause more deaths than the current plan that causes unnecessairy deaths to begin with...
Deaths here are unimaginable in a case where the system itself is the cause of that death... so our socialistic system is better than your capitalistic system? I don't think you meant that but basicly that's what you're saying.
Well, no one can look into the future so I cannot show you "undeniable proof." I gave you the most likely scenario. If you can give me an alternative scenario, then I'd be glad to take it into account. All I can see, is the economy going into a downfall with this ridiculous plan.
Increasing taxes to fund those who don't pay taxes isn't called stealing? That's like saying, "He took my money to benefit solely himself, but he didn't steal anything because he deserved it."
On what do you base your claims that it is the most likely scenario? Show me why exactly this plan is going to cause more deaths show me some form of legitimate proof that this plan is worse than the current system and preferrably from multiple sources: right wing and/or independant and/or left wing sources.
Are you talking about illegal immigrants? Sorry but that's a misunderstanding.
Are you talking about tourists? At least not European tourists they have Europe Assistance.
And even still if someone who doesn't pay taxes and he gets injured it's normal you help those people too.
F.E. in Belgium you get treated for free but the drugs you buy here cost the full price for foreigners. That's reasonable since you can't deny someone first aid or basic care.
In countries with socialistic systems they pay less for their healthcare, so again the argument it costs more is bogus.
a job or become a producer. These types of people suck the money right out of the economy. When this happens, it kills innovation. With the lack of innovation in health care technology and pharmaceuticals, this country's health care quality will begin to drop at an increasing rate each and every year. This will cause even more deaths, that could have been prevented, occur. Why are you supporting a liberal/ socialist system that will yield even more unnecessary deaths?
Because it won't. Basicly you are saying what you've been told but you're not making a correct chronology or giving a correct reason why people want [some] socialistic ideas to poor through.
First off we're not talking about a communistic system where everything is socialized remember Europe is capitalistic too except for some points, so it's not so much about producers and non-producers.
In case of healthcare it's about caretakers and patients, not "producers" and "clients"...
...The fact that this healthcare is non-profit has the advantage that it's A) cheaper, and B) leaves the government with money to spend on innovation, as I've said which happens in countries with a socialistic healthcare system and even an almost overall communistic system like China, atm at a faster rate than in America since you have bans on stemcell research f.e. [which Obama allowed again since this year], but that's because of other [right religious] reasons.
@Johnhaile88 You miss the point. It's cheaper than the money paid to private insurers now collectively indeed, and allowing everybody to have healthcare. Maybe for you personally it wouldn't, because you might never get sick, but if you get seriously sick once and the chances are high you will, it will be cheaper. It's paying taxes to the government allowing EVERYBODY care, or it's paying insurance fees allowing only some to have care.
@Johnhaile88 The incentive is the people's vote. But, there are alot of problems with your way of voting and how your politicians get elected, so maybe that problem should be dealt with first. You must understand, there is a reason why every advanced western nation has this type of system.... I know: because it works out for the people.
@Johnhaile88 What Obama should have done is have a public option run along the private option. The private option would go out of business, that's all the proof you need to know public is better.
@Subher0 A perfect example of private run along public options... schools... Unfortunately public schools cant go out of business because they run on tax payers money. Does that mean they are better? of course not. In fact they don't even compare to the level of learning a private school will teach a student because a private school has the incentive to do well. Public schools dont have that same incentive.
@Johnhaile88 We should indeed only have public option and no private option on these kind of things. It's about the pool of skilled doctors/teachers, who will turn to private since it pays them more. The incentive is not to do well, the incentive is to make money. Without a private option on basic things such as education and health care, these people will go public aswell. Talking about examples, my country is almost all public schools, and has one of the BEST educated students in the world.
@Johnhaile88 I don't see how you can be blind where all other advanced western countries have adapted these basic principals. It's because the US have been fighting communism for 50 years you're all scared of it, but your fear is ungrounded. And looking at the statistics, the majority of the American people wanted a government run healthcare option, saying the current bill doesn't go far enough.
C) Even lazy people deserve to have their life saved regardless of that life is, by you, valued less than others, I value every life thesame and that's a fundamental difference, I believe, between you and me.
All of this is proven in the systems that have already been applied in f.e. my country and EVERY modern western country. 90% of all people say it works and works great.
Now you've said things but showed me no proof, my proof is in these already applied and working systems.
Saving lives in a hospital costs money and usually a lot of money. Who should pay for the lazy people that go into a hospital? If someone is too lazy to work and make money for themself, why is that someone can take my money (property) by force to help someone else? Is this not stealing?
This socialist health care idea is an all around bad idea to incorporate into this nation. Socialism fails, in a sense, because of it's obsession with class warfare. In a community, the producers are always going to make more money than the non-producers or under-producers because they either work harder, are smarter, or are more tenacious. Why is their wealth undeserved? The reason why so many support this socialist idea is because they realize that they can vote the producer's money into
their pockets. This envy is what fuels the socialist ideals, but are they good? No, because they also fuel laziness. Capitalism can also be fueled by envy, as well, but that envy is translated into more productivity from everyone who is envious. This increase in productivity is beneficial to everyone. With capitalism, the producer is going to produce more to keep up, while the non-producer is enticed to become a producer. Liberalism and Socialism gives the non-producer no incentive to get
Just look at our health care in comparison to that of the UK, France, or Canada. We have a higher quality of care because we don't smother the innovation. As soon as this plan is put into play, it will lower the quality of care and result in more deaths.
Stop jumping from side to side you're avoiding the fact you're being hammered on all points and again with this comment, since mortality rates in the US are higher even than those in Canada.
China may well be ahead in EMBRYONIC stem cell research, which was limited in the US until this year. but embryonic stem cell research has not produced anywhere near the positive results that ADULT stem cell research has, which hasnt been as constrained in the US
I have cousins in Sweden. If they fall ill, they come here to the US. One even was told that in her country, they would not have __delivered her baby__ because pregnancy was too high risk and would havebe too costly. She would have had to abort the child. Fortunately baby was born here and now the healthy 18 yr old son is entering college. We have to really contemplate this before jumping in. Why overturn it all? Is Obama the one to reform care? We are in dangerous times.
Sorry but if social security would be such a bad system, then all countries would use the American system, but it's only America using this system and ALL other modern western countries use social healthcare... please this video is propaganda think please.
Swedes have alot better healthcare, for less money thanks to your moneysucking capitalistic system where corporations fight for the most great increases.
My family doctor was born in Canada and practiced in Ontario until 2004. According to him, the Canadian system's waits are less than America. These "facts" are being purchased by Cigna, Blue Cross, and the other insurance companies. Do your own research, don't believe the media!!!!
My Dad had hip surgery and did not wait 6 months!!!
I am tired of these LIES about Canada
yes we do have some problems as our Goverrnment has cut spending on Health Care. However, talk to ANY average Canadian and they will tell you they will that they will NEVER switch to an American style system.
YOU ARE STUPID IF YOU BELIEVE THIS - CALL A CANADIAN AND ASK THEM!!!
Free market health care would be better than any government run bureaucracy.. and we haven't had a free market - government meddling has brought us to this so called 'crisis'. Almost all journalism in the U.S. is biased, but how often do you hear a free-market / libertarian point of view? I applaud John Stossel for standing for what he believes in.
John Stossel is consistently free market in his beliefs. He is not an objective journalist, just a vulgar propagandist. Listen to him on pay equity (he claims men are paid more because they have harder jobs) and almost every pertinent issue.
we dont want socialized health care and we dont want a nannie state.... we dont want obama's change... all we want is the old america without corrupt snakes running it
i dont know if i should believe you but if it is true then all i can say is may God be with you and may He heal any ailments that u have.. i will pray 4 u and a full recovery... God bless
It is hillarious because Canadians live longer , have less illness and actually have more control over who their doctor is compared to an American with an HMO . Did you know that Americans pay more taxes than Canadians ? Look it up . Americans pay higher taxes over all than the UK , Canada , and France which all have universal coverage . Do some fact checking gunteraustria , you are making youself look like a fool .
I'm from Canada and I think our system is HORRIBLE.
See, I can lie too.
It's weird how so many "canadians" are concerned about American HC system and so ready to suggest we copy your system (sorry but I did look at the video - no thanks!).
What is up with that - I wonder?? Are ya'll really ACORN workers, sitting here posting when not giving out tax and housing advice??
I work in health care and completely disagree . I think it's funny when people say that we would wait so long for care like in the UK . The health care in the UK is not only free , but much higher quality , and you don't wait near as long for it . I waited about six minutes to be seen and when I got 11 stitches , they gave me a bill for 29 EU . That's like 40 bucks . I had to pay being American , but I have never been seen so quickly or charged so little in America .
555 new drugs? what for, restless leg syndrome? i bet you didnt hear about pfizer's latest settlement.... (it's the 5th for over a million in the last 10 years)
UnitedHealth Group--the second largest health insurance company in the country--sent out a letter to its employees urging them to call UHG's United for Health Reform Advocacy Hotline to speak with an advocacy specialist about health care reform. The advocacy specialist, according to the letter, is there to help UHG employees write personalized messages to elected officials, and to arm them with talking points to use at local events in order to better oppose the public health insurance option.
Spy, i would hope every citizen gets on the phone to their rep or writes them a letter. Public health insurance is a doomed system that will saddle the country with trillions of more debt, crimp growth and productivity, curtailing GDP.
In a public system, we lose our rights and liberties for self determination. We lose accountability. Quality goes down. Innovation is stymied.
Economically, it won't solve the unemployment problem -- it'll keep folks away from work.
Yea , as a Canadian you already know that we often use your country in our lies . We say " you don't want to wait forever to be seen like in Canada ". It is so stupid when you guys have a WAY BETTER system than the USA . We rank 37th in America in health care , but just like in our education system , people claim we are the best in the world . We rank number 1 in America in one thing , DELUSION !
Canada's system sucks. Care is rationed. The individual is NOT in control of his own health care. Care is worse. People in Quebec are "due" about 3 catastrophic illnesses/year based on the amount of taxes they pay.
This sucking of funds from producers has a deleterious effect on the country's economic fortune -- standard of living, unemployment, job creation, upward mobility, innovation.
The EU system is a mess. The traditional American model needs to be allowed to work, not massive govt.
gunteraustria. If you are going to lie about our system, at least make it half believable. Usually when people distort the truth, they have to try and throw some truth in so people believe it. Care is NOT rationed. We are 100% in control of our own health care and we are not "due" and limit on the amount of illness based on our taxes.
However, Americans ARE restricted based on your insurance.
You have that so right. For example, I am currently reading the comment from gunteraustria below "Canada's system sucks. Care is rationed. The individual is NOT in control of his own health care. Care is worse. People in Quebec are "due" about 3 catastrophic illnesses/year based on the amount of taxes they pay." That is beyond laughable. That is the most absurd, outlandish, ridiculous outright lie I have read about our system yet. And there have been plenty.
I don't think American would be happy waiting in lines for care or having to put their name in a lottery to get a Dr. In the UK 700,000 are on waiting list for hospital procedures it atke at min 122 days to get it. 40% of cancer patients never see an oncologist. We need reform that will put competition is the market system and put healthcare dollars into individuals hands. Experts say allowing purchasing across State lines would give 17 million access to affordable healthcare.
This is a video everyone should see. Every Country that has a Government run system is facing rising cost and rationing care to deal with it. No one has tried a true free market system. Our Gove controls the resources and how they are used they set the prices for 1/2 our healthcare sector directly and the other 1/2 indirectly. The have passed the laws and regulations that cut competition and benefit themselves and the Industry. A true free market system would cut cost & provide the best quality
The AARP has released a lovely article on their website saying that states are breaking federal law in letting residents purchase meds from Canada. It's on their website. Hence, IT'S AGAINST THE LAW. But thank god the states care about their people.
This is exactly why government healthcare is stupid. Yes there are some people that can't afford private healthcare. However, there are some that could afford it but they buy things that they can't afford rather than be concerned about their health.
Long waiting times in the Canadian/socialized system are not decided on by the govt. Docs have the clinical know-how to tell when a conditon is life threatening and when it isn't and their judgement influences how urgent the imaging/procedure is.
I'm happy to say that I havenever turned a patient away from care because they couldn't afford to have a procedure.
Meanwhile, in USA,one must decide if putting their kids through college is as important as a liver transplant. That is unacceptable.
Doc, do me a favor and on you tube search for John Stossel hsa.
The journalist looks into Health Savings Accounts. Notice how the individual is in charge of the care, shopping around for the best service at the cost they want. Wow, what an idea!
Are you seeing how there are numerous private market reforms we can do to fix health care now, w/o govt intrusion?
And your perceptions about US care is wrought with hyperbole -- really, we all have to decide between college and liver transplants?
First of all, I am an md in Canada...I know my medical system very well.
Second, the current system does involve bureaucrats...lots of them. They work for the insurance companies!
Finally, WHY do you think costs per person will be significantly higher for a national healthcare service?
As I said before, everyone pays so we can all benefit. Your current system does not cover everyone. You sitll have not told me how your current plan helps Americans without insurance...
Doc, I'm sure your system works great. If your number gets called. If you don't mind paying more in taxes than may be needed. In Quebec, as you know, effective tax is rate is about the highest in NA. Your system can't work in US w/o significant compromises ... to liberty, to GDP/growth, standard of living...American values that are being eroded.
Costs will be too high. We can't afford it. Pvt mkrt reforms allow to keep control, liberties, control costs through competition -- foreign concepts!
Monika, you have to stop thinking from the perspective of yourself and the social class you belong to.
Realize that there are millions of people in your own country who are MUCH poorer than you are.
These people are citizens like yourself who pay their taxes and respect the law. How can you leave them out of receiving proper preventitive health care because they only make a few hundred dollars a month?
What a disgusting piece of right-wing propaganda.
Rhys96 6 months ago
Here is how you resolve the health care problem. 225 Million people x $40.00 a month = $9,000,000,000/month. Case Closed.
heartlessvietboy 9 months ago
This video was awesome. After watching this, you wonder which party it is that really wants Grandma to die.
cliffy827 9 months ago
Stossel is a total asshole.
MiserableOldFart 10 months ago
is't the real reason health care is so outrageous, is the 40% of all Americans Don't have health Insurance and more the 50% of thos cant pay the bills given to them if they have to go to the ER, And that cost is then transfered over to the ones that do have Insurance!
Spartacus547 1 year ago
Idiot single-payer is not government run healthcare and this is just not true, there are not millons of people flocking to america for healthcare.
thecomputergurukid 1 year ago
Team BO -
...to intimidation tactics by the White House in a commentary may grab attention, the simple ‘sense on cents’ embodied in this story has to do with the implication of lessened revenues for hospitals as a result of Obamacare leading to their sale.
read so much MORE! Intimidation tactics - this story is amazing.
dailymarkets . com/stock/2010/10/12/obamacare-is-obama-white-house-going-%E2%80%9Csoprano%E2%80%9D-again-or-why-are-three-catholic-scranton-pa-hospitals-being-sold/
choclabs3 1 year ago
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Study: ObamaCare will make doctor shortage 50% worse by 2015
No matter what drivel the libs post here - KNOW the TRUTH - there is ZERO $ in the legislation for INCREASED RESOURCES - no adding docs, nurses, PAs, PTs - so wait times will increase and care will SUFFER.
Any child with any abilities of deduction can figure this out.
reuters . com/article/idUSTRE68T67120100930
choclabs3 1 year ago
The national health care will enable them to force a RFID chip on everyone-nationally
mormonwoman52 1 year ago 2
government can NOT run anything better or more efficiently than private sector
all govt can do is TAKE from those that are productive, and redistribute to those who are not productive....... all while shaving off a good portion for the bureaucracy along the way
this new HC bill creates literally over 100 new bureaucracies
all this while running massive deficits and over 10% unemployment rate
NICE!
Zaxxon2008 2 years ago
Congress and the politicians will not be under this Health Care program.
loymonteiro 2 years ago
Looks like someone in the Obama administration has "hacked" this video. Let it play to the end and it automatically redirects to another video featuring Obama's propaganda.
MongoBaker 2 years ago
This video is yet another misrepresentation of the social security implied in Canada... the waiting list is a lie lol
Subher0 2 years ago
And I'm supposed to trust you over professionals? They are just representing the facts.
bordenwesley 2 years ago
These people are not professionals, they are puppets.
Subher0 2 years ago
How is a doctor not a professional?
bordenwesley 2 years ago
Above all he's a puppet.
Subher0 2 years ago
Oh really? He's a puppet for giving his PROFESSIONAL opinion. I think that you are the puppet of Obama propaganda.
bordenwesley 2 years ago
Well clearly he's not very professional because he's not giving you accurate information.
Subher0 2 years ago
And you consider yourself a professional on this particular subject? What false information is he giving?
bordenwesley 2 years ago
f.e. the waiting lines in Canada is bogus. I believe there are some hospitals who might have longer waiting lines than others, but there is no reason why there should be any longer waiting lines than f.e. in America.
If you're bringing up the "we have more doctors" argument, f.e. Belgium, my country, has twice the amount of doctors than America per capita, so down the drain goes your argument and this "professional" is lying [and probably delibaretely]
Subher0 2 years ago
Who gives you the authority to deny facts? You saw for yourself in the video that Canada does have long waiting lines. Do you need more evidence?
bordenwesley 2 years ago
No I want the truth, like me when I went to visit Canada and got treated there with a broken leg an hour after I broke it. That's what I want to see.
The truth.
Subher0 2 years ago
Can anyone say, "coincidence?" Too bad that I, along with the rest of this nation, will believe what PROFESSIONALS say. I am sorry, but video evidence along with a professional consult results in an unbiased truth.
bordenwesley 2 years ago
There is no real evidence you can show me that waiting lines in Canada are generally longer because that evidence simply does not exist :-)
Get it into your thick skull that these media in your country are not bringing you news they bring you drama but reporters should be a-political while the bring news and in America this is absolutely NOT the case. I have compared systems because I had problems on both sides of the water, you have not.
Subher0 2 years ago
If no evidence exists, then what do you call this video?
bordenwesley 2 years ago
@bordenwesley twisted media?
Subher0 2 years ago
Are you deliberately stupid? Who gives you the right to deny facts?
bordenwesley 2 years ago
@bordenwesley Then give me statistics on long waiting lines in Canada, not some one guy who for all I know could've been picked out by the network to say this and that to give Canada's social healthcare a bad name. If it were so bad in the first place they would ahve it removed by now. Think please it can help you understand some things in life once and a while...
Subher0 2 years ago
If our health care was so bad in the first place, then they would have it removed by now, but they don't!
If you want to see the actual statistics, just Google this article by Peter Roff, "Statistics Show Canadian Healthcare Is Inferior to American System"
bordenwesley 2 years ago
@bordenwesley oh yeah! the peter roff who used to be the director of GOPAC... "a national organization dedicated exclusively to electing Republicans to state and local offices" ofcourtse he's going to make an unbiased article...
Get a grip Republicans are here to scam you not help you please get some sense into your life. I'm not saying democrats are all that but it sure as hell beats a republican vote anywhere any time and any day...
Subher0 2 years ago
Did you even read the article? It has unbiased facts and statistics!
bordenwesley 2 years ago
only the truly weak-minded believe that those with whom they disagree are "simply not thinking correctly"
Zaxxon2008 2 years ago
Available yes, but affordable? No.
Fair? No.
Efficient? No.
Overall care when you get sick? No.
That's where I can proudly say about S.H. that's it's affordable, qualitative, cheap for our government, efficient and available.
Subher0 2 years ago
@bordenwesley Well yes I did now and it came out as expected [which is why I didn't care to read unless you explicitly asked] and the source is yet again an all-pro-conservative think-tank who release statistics for what they are known to do incorrectly serving incorrect data and information. This is, as expected, where your "unbiased" reporter gets his "facts" from. I've done enough digging, there is nothing left. I suggest you do thesame.
Subher0 2 years ago
Who gave you the power to deny facts? They may be presented in a biased way, but that doesn't mean that the actual numbers lie.
bordenwesley 2 years ago
@bordenwesley The actual numbers are not checked as with alot of republican sources. Unchecked = invalid.
Subher0 2 years ago
So you are saying that Democrats are always right?
bordenwesley 2 years ago
Uhm... no... I never did and I don't know if I said it here but I know I've said it before and it is that democrats are a hell of a lot better choice than reps. trust me. I'm not saying they're great but if anyone can move America forward even by the slightest it will be a non-conservative party and there is only one option at the moment. I hope that changes for you in the future.
Subher0 2 years ago
You want to move America forward by increasing the national debt and by lowering our quality of health care which will inevitably cause even more innocent people to die? This sounds like an all around bad option for the US.
You are right in one aspect. Dems do want to change everything (for better or for worse).
If Republicans are never right, than neither are Democrats. Both put out biased facts and statistics.
bordenwesley 2 years ago
Ok so now suddenly you switch into auto-mode again?
"Hmm said this before... say it again... hrrmmm..."
Yes what you said there would sound like a bad option. I wouldn't like it. Though EVERY modern western country adopts it = it's not a bad option, it's your BEST option.
Well if the democrats don't suit you I might agree but at least you have a chance "for the better" I know that with republicans it's a 100% guaranteed "for the worse".
Subher0 2 years ago
It's OUR best option because OTHER countries are utilizing it? So if someone committed suicide, you would be right there following in their acts?
You want an example of a socialized health care system that is worse than America's look at this video!
bordenwesley 2 years ago
We've gone over this already it's bullshit this video is not telling you the truth.
If you recognize it as suicide then go ask all those people what kind of system they want: the American system or a social system... I think you already know the results.
So no it's not a suicide act just because all those countries adopt it.
Finally somebody is actually trying to help you but it's like you have shutters on.
Subher0 2 years ago
They are trying to help me by raising my income tax and by taxing me another 40% on my health insurance premiums? I don't see you citing any evidence for your claims. At least I provided a video plus some other polls as evidence.
bordenwesley 2 years ago
@bordenwesley The evidence is in the examples. I don't have to prove something that has already proven itself.
Yes you'll have to pay more taxes, but at least you'll get treated whenever something really bad happens to you.
Alot of people don't get treated or bad treatment.
I couldn't live with that amount of uncertainty and 60% of the Americans can't either.
Subher0 2 years ago
This bill will lower the quality of health care which will result in worse treatment overall. I pay 33% in income tax, I'd hardly call that pocket change.
bordenwesley 2 years ago
@bordenwesley I pay 50% income tax. BTW that's basicly the only tax you pay.
We pay taxes on everything. Everything we buy from cookies to oil. And alot of other taxes on top. Income tax is not the only thing. So yes, compared to what I for example have to pay, your 33% is pocket change.
That bill will not lower your quality. The quality of health care here is at least as good as in America. Our doctors are trained as well as yours, so basicly it's even logical it is as good.
Subher0 2 years ago
Guess what, we pay taxes on all goods and services as well.
If our health care quality is equal, how come cancer patients have a much better chance of surviving in the US than anywhere else in the world?
bordenwesley 2 years ago
@bordenwesley Where did you get that bogus statistic from?
Subher0 2 years ago
Just Google, "Most Cancer Survival Rates in USA Better Than Europe and Canada"
bordenwesley 2 years ago
Ok so that proves that in Britain the survival rates are a few percentages lower than in America, though in my country they rival yours, and we have thesame system as in Britain.
If you think about that, how do you think that's possible?
2 Comparable systems. 2 Different rates.
I'm sorry but I think the "other factors" are left out. Health care alone doesn't supply the reasons for people dying of cancer.
Subher0 2 years ago
Oh and btw its source is again a conservative think tank [NCPA]. We all know most conservatives are pretty biased and do anything they can to promote their cause, like pulling out bogus stats.
This organisation is "conveniently" lead by some businessmen who have more than enough reasons to keep private health insurance alive.
Can you give me stats from another source giving me thesame results?
Subher0 2 years ago
@bordenwesley And BTW don't complain about taxes, my country has the second highest tax pressures in the WORLD.
You don't pay any taxes. What you pay is pocket change compared to what people pay here.
So don't talk about "ANOTHER 40%!!!"...
Subher0 2 years ago
Plus again you're just saying stuff you're not actually showing me stats. of a country where social healthcare has gone so demonstrably wrong that they get the idea of changing it into a system like America's system.
Oh yeah and if you talk about people going to America for care... if I had a trillion dollars I would also go to America for care because if you have ALOT of money I reckon it's the best country in the world... but I don't... and I guess you don't either.
Subher0 2 years ago
and you are just a font of "stats"
ROFL @ U
talk about blinders
funniest line so far - "if I had a trillion dollars I would also go to America for care because if you have ALOT of money I reckon it's the best country in the world"
so basically what you endorse is reducing the overall quality of US care in order to spread substandard care to more people. BRILLIANT!!!
thats the liberal motto - "Spreading Equal Misery Equally!"
kudos!
Zaxxon2008 2 years ago
That's completely what I mean.
The part where you actually think things through you obviously skipped :-)
The "overall" quality is basicly not "overall".
There are private clinics here too you know. Belgium has, probably, the best burn-wound clinic in the entire world.
So much for being the best at everything in the USA but that's not my point.
My point is is that only very wealthy people can afford this kind of treatment. I trust you're not wealthy, neither am I.
Subher0 2 years ago
obviously you mistake the meaning of the word "overall" for "forced on everyone"
i prefer "available for all," which it is
Zaxxon2008 2 years ago
So we make it overall qualitative AND affordable. The other options still remain if you have the means for it, just like it does here.
If you understand the system, than you'd know doctors get paid here as much as they do in America, the only thing that pays those doctors is our government. Now know what I'm saying, our government does not EMPLOY these doctors. We get subsedies through our health care provider [yes you have several, depending on your situation in life...
Subher0 2 years ago
LOL @ "the only thing that pays those doctors is our government. Now know what I'm saying, our government does not EMPLOY these doctors"
only a euro socialist would think that the guy paying you ISNT your employer
no, nooooo, they cry... "we filter it through several layers of beaurocracy first!"
ROFL at such 'logic'
Zaxxon2008 2 years ago
Clearly you don't know what I'm talking about so I suggest you stay away from topics you have no knowledge of.
You won't find many people in Europe who are against their system. It works great and it has been that way for more than 60 years now.
We had thesame discussion then as you do now. We made the good decision.
Saying it was not a good decision is going against the countries with social healthcare, where about 90% of the people say it owns your healthcare. Good luck and merry christmas.
Subher0 2 years ago
blame yourself for your lack of communication skills if not understood
i'd like "free" grocery insurance. bet 90% of people would. still wouldnt make it right
you didnt have the same discussion then as we are here now. you had a war torn & destroyed continent struggling with a way to rebuild. we dont. we have leftist politicians looking to take control of peoples lives & freedoms. freedoms euros dont have, and wouldnt understand.
goodbye and happy solstice, elitist pagan eurotrash
Zaxxon2008 2 years ago
You're comparing apples with oranges. "Grocery insurance" is not thesame as health insurance.
I know my history and yes Europe was recovering from a war but that didn't mean they didn't discuss new approaches. In essence it was thesame discussion.
You look at your politicians as if they were power hungry maniacs. If that is so, then change your politicians, but don't bash on a system that is proven to work.
Subher0 2 years ago
Zaxxon2008 2 years ago
Freedom? I can't even get into America without being bodychecked. I don't call that freedom. If I'm 15 years old, I can't drink a beer. In America I can't smoke cannabis. Freedoms I enjoy. Come on... get real your country is as free as ours. BTW I can also choose between healthcare providers and Obama is doing thesame thing BTW giving you private insurance options alongside the public option, so nobody is infringing your freedom [which is actually only a sense of freedom]
Subher0 2 years ago
"Subher0 (4 hours ago) Freedom? I can't even get into America without being bodychecked."
thats some insane nerve of you to cry about that 2 days after ANOTHER terrorist attack in the US on a flight that originated in AMSTERDAM
Zaxxon2008 2 years ago
I didn't understand? I explained you why those doctors are not employed I think YOU don't understand.
I employ you to read that comment again.
Subher0 2 years ago
you dont employ me, you dont pay me
your govt pays the dr's, you said so
ergo the govt employs the dr's
very simple
Zaxxon2008 2 years ago
...So much for "no free choice"] with which we can pay the doctor. So European quality = USA quality. Profits are zero. Government also puts money into research. Think about it. Private insurers DO NOT put most of their profits into new research, but more into their own pockets. Knowing health care here costs less, enough money flows into research matching, again, the American standards...
Subher0 2 years ago
ROFL @ you for - "Private insurers DO NOT put most of their profits into new research, but more into their own pockets"
where do you get your "bogus" stats? if that would even qualify as a stat (and it wouldnt)
US govt contributes to 4% of research... simple mathematics tells you that PRIVATE investment in research = 96%
oh, but that 96%... yeah that just going "into their own pockets"
govt does not invest, it takes
the profit motive has led to every great invention in history
Zaxxon2008 2 years ago
Well yes because all the money is in private hands. Here government and universities do the research and as far as I know Europe and especially Belgium, my country for example, is very innovative and groundbreaking in that area, f.e. hearing aids etc.
Capitalism has done us good, but it doesn't apply when it comes to your health. Your health shouldn't be competed upon it should just be taken care of.
Subher0 2 years ago
competition reduces prices
hence a free market approach to healthcare would result in greater coverage, better service, improved efficiency, at lower cost.
all of this is moot anyways, since you can hardly compare Belgium to the US, since Belgium is the size & population of one of our smallest states. the 2 are simply incomparable
Zaxxon2008 2 years ago
...Right now I believe, China even passes these standards in the field of medical research [such as stem cell research] though there are other factors to consider.
The only misery happens is when people get denied care. Once it happens to you, you'll understand where I'm coming from. Right now you're just the selfish individual you were raised to be.
Subher0 2 years ago
you ignorance knows few bounds, if any
nobody is denied care
there are free clinics. emergency care can not be denied
and there are charitable hospitals all over
and in the event you cannot afford the care you have been given, a hospital will negotiate, and even wave fees for services, donate services, and there are programs for free & low cost prescription drugs
the only real lies here is what you've apparently been told about the US healthcare system
Zaxxon2008 2 years ago
And where do you think those free clinics come from?
And yes people ARE being denied care saying otherwise is lying.
Those programs are again government issued.
Now are you saying healthcare in America has no problem?
Why do you think every modern western country has SOCIAL healthcare? Answer that question for me.
Subher0 2 years ago
you simply dont know any better
emergency care CAN NOT be denied to anyone in the US, it is illegal
not all "free clinics" are govt issued. many are run by charities
charities, universities, and govts run hospitals. care is offered for free if applied for and accepted, you just need to look & ask
"Why do you think every modern western country has SOCIAL healthcare?"
because none of them were founded as free nations like the US was. we set the standard, you follow
Zaxxon2008 2 years ago
Yeah the only downside is, after you got the care, you'll have to work off the debt the rest of your life but hey everything is just A O.K. with that.
I doubt there are that many charity run hospitals and even STILL those hospitals work on thesame principals as gov. hospitals since they are from the many to the few.
If care is free in America, it most likely government run, remember that.
Belgium was founded as a free nation lol wtf are you saying. You set no standard mr. I'm-better-than-you.
Subher0 2 years ago
and the cost would be lower if there were competition for your business. thats simple economics. of course i wouldnt expect euro-elitists to understand that.
charity hospitals do NOT work on the same principles as govt hospitals. charity is a choice, govt doesnt give you choice, they give you limits
i didnt say i set the standard, i said the US sets the standard. a standard you people cant live up to.
you believe in govt control, good for you! keep it over there though. we dont want it
Zaxxon2008 2 years ago
Look. I know you're not going to be convinced so I wish you well when you get sick I wouldn't want to be where you're at when it gets ugly for you.
I'm not sure what you mean by "Euro-elitist". If it means that I care for people who are less off, then yes I am, and proud of it too.
I don't believe in government "control" which is not what it is but if you want to remain in that fantasy go ahead, I believe in a part capitalistic part social society that moves but not leaves the rest behind.
Subher0 2 years ago
i believe in the power of the individual
euro-elitists like you dont
thats fine
but dont think you know best, because you dont. i do, we do, and thats why you enjoy the freedom to THINK you know anything, because we protect you.
enjoy our blanket of security!!!
imagine your govt budget (& deficits) if you actually had to fund a real military!!! ROFL
Zaxxon2008 2 years ago
I don't have to imagine I can see your militairy debt right now.
And grats for saving us during WW2 it's appreciated and yes America is a world power... though I if Europe would fall under some foreign invader I don't think America would last very long... at least not with all the oil America DOESN'T have.
That's why everybody doesn't like America. You act as if you're the biggest, meanest, toughest kid on the block, but I'm looking at China and India... hmmm tough break.
Subher0 2 years ago
This socialist health care idea is an all around bad idea to incorporate into this nation. Socialism fails, in a sense, because of it's obsession with class warfare. In a community, the producers are always going to make more money than the non-producers or under-producers because they either work harder, are smarter, or are more tenacious. Why is their wealth undeserved? The reason why so many support this socialist idea is because they realize that they can vote the producer's money into
bordenwesley 2 years ago
Yes and that's still the way it is here, but that doesn't mean you need to discard the ones that are not the entrepeneurs, who are the majority.
I never said their wealth is undeserved. Do you think that over here companies make less money than workers? Ofcourse not. It's their shared responsibility that they keep their workers and the community that gave them the opportunity to become what they are, to keep that intact and deal with them respectfully. That's what you don't understand.
Subher0 2 years ago
their pockets. This envy is what fuels the socialist ideals, but are they good? No, because they also fuel laziness. Capitalism can also be fueled by envy, as well, but that envy is translated into more productivity from everyone who is envious. This increase in productivity is beneficial to everyone. With capitalism, the producer is going to produce more to keep up, while the nonproducer is enticed to become a producer. Liberalism and Socialism gives the nonproducer no incentive to get
bordenwesley 2 years ago
That's the twisted view you have of socialism. We don't want to steal money from the wealthy we want the wealthy that became wealthy because they have good workers to support those workers and not treat them like crap like they do in America.
Private healthcare doesn't care... it accepts your money and takes care of you as long as their profits are secured.
Social healthcare takes care regardless, the way it SHOULD BE considering your health is the MOST important thing in our life.
Subher0 2 years ago
a job or become a producer. These types of people suck the money right out of the economy. When this happens, it kills innovation. With the lack of innovation in health care technology and pharmaceuticals, this country's health care quality will begin to drop at an increasing rate each and every year. This will cause even more deaths, that could have been prevented, occur. Why are you supporting a liberal/ socialist system that will yield even more unnecessary deaths?
bordenwesley 2 years ago
Capitalism has its merits, but because it's a stone cold killer that indeed weeds out the lazy, it can't be applied to health care which provides life and life goes above all things: money, wealth, power you name it. At least that's how I think about it.
And yet even if it takes care of the lazy, it also takes care of the people that simply can't afford even though they are productive in their line of work, since health care is so damn expensive.
Subher0 2 years ago
Again you only talk about "lazy" and "government wants our money" etc.
But what about "private insurers want our money"... if you think hard enough they want your money above all!
If socialism prospers laziness, then why is the European Union the biggest friggin economy in the world?
Subher0 2 years ago
You talk about the community giving companies the opportunity. How do they do this? Is there a committee that states which companies should be allowed to practice and which ones shouldn't?
Like every other business, private insurers are in it to make a profit. We give them the RIGHT to deny coverage and drop us if they feel the need to. Don't blame them, but rather blame yourself for giving them that RIGHT.
bordenwesley 2 years ago
Capitalism is not a stone cold killer. In my previous posts I mentioned how Obama's plan would yield even more unnecessary deaths than already occur right now.
Above the government and private companies, the under-producers and non-producers want the money that the producers make! They realize that they can simply vote it into their pockets which is why Obama's plan is so popular. You need to take into effect the long term effects, however.
bordenwesley 2 years ago
The money private companies first raised their company comes from the people that entrusted their money to a bank where that private owner raises his company with, for starters.
Then without workers those companies can never grow the way they do, and the way companies treat the workers is: "I don't really need you anymore so I'll just drop you". In Europe in all sectors they indeed have that right to just fire someone if they don't need them anymore. [cont.]
Subher0 2 years ago
... but at least they have to pay him a sum of money equal to one full year of that worker's wage, so he just doesn't fall into a dark pit he can't crawl out of [think about mortgages etc.]
BUT this can't be the case when it's about your health. Regardless of who you are or what you do you should be helped out because it's a life we're talking about.
In other cases it's somebodies eyes, legs, arms whatever...
Think about you actually helping people instead of "they are taking my money!"
Subher0 2 years ago
mortgages? think about the government programs that forced banks to loan money to lower income people who had no business buying a house..Get a job..oh wait..
jonnyb23able 1 year ago 4
What government programs?
Subher0 1 year ago
Capitalism is not a stone cold killer? So the competition is basicly very easy... capitalism cares for you? Are you serious?
So you're talking about a collective kind of Robin Hood that's out to get the money of the few into the hands of the many... all organised?
Ok I see someone who's a conspiracy theorist now instead of a right winged uninformed person...
Subher0 2 years ago
Show me undeniable proof that Obama's plan is going to cause more deaths than the current plan that causes unnecessairy deaths to begin with...
Deaths here are unimaginable in a case where the system itself is the cause of that death... so our socialistic system is better than your capitalistic system? I don't think you meant that but basicly that's what you're saying.
Subher0 2 years ago
Well, no one can look into the future so I cannot show you "undeniable proof." I gave you the most likely scenario. If you can give me an alternative scenario, then I'd be glad to take it into account. All I can see, is the economy going into a downfall with this ridiculous plan.
Increasing taxes to fund those who don't pay taxes isn't called stealing? That's like saying, "He took my money to benefit solely himself, but he didn't steal anything because he deserved it."
bordenwesley 2 years ago
On what do you base your claims that it is the most likely scenario? Show me why exactly this plan is going to cause more deaths show me some form of legitimate proof that this plan is worse than the current system and preferrably from multiple sources: right wing and/or independant and/or left wing sources.
Are you talking about illegal immigrants? Sorry but that's a misunderstanding.
Are you talking about tourists? At least not European tourists they have Europe Assistance.
Subher0 2 years ago
Can you show me exactly how this plan will benefit this nation? I didn't think so because telling the future is impossible.
If you don't pay taxes, why should you get any government assistance?
bordenwesley 2 years ago
And even still if someone who doesn't pay taxes and he gets injured it's normal you help those people too.
F.E. in Belgium you get treated for free but the drugs you buy here cost the full price for foreigners. That's reasonable since you can't deny someone first aid or basic care.
In countries with socialistic systems they pay less for their healthcare, so again the argument it costs more is bogus.
Subher0 2 years ago
Yes I could tell you how it would likely and most probably go.
Can you show me the chain of events that will lead this plan to a fail and why? Also post your evidence or references on top.
Subher0 2 years ago
I already showed you how it would most likely go in previous posts. But, for your sake, I'll do it again.
bordenwesley 2 years ago
a job or become a producer. These types of people suck the money right out of the economy. When this happens, it kills innovation. With the lack of innovation in health care technology and pharmaceuticals, this country's health care quality will begin to drop at an increasing rate each and every year. This will cause even more deaths, that could have been prevented, occur. Why are you supporting a liberal/ socialist system that will yield even more unnecessary deaths?
bordenwesley 2 years ago 4
Because it won't. Basicly you are saying what you've been told but you're not making a correct chronology or giving a correct reason why people want [some] socialistic ideas to poor through.
First off we're not talking about a communistic system where everything is socialized remember Europe is capitalistic too except for some points, so it's not so much about producers and non-producers.
In case of healthcare it's about caretakers and patients, not "producers" and "clients"...
Subher0 2 years ago
...The fact that this healthcare is non-profit has the advantage that it's A) cheaper, and B) leaves the government with money to spend on innovation, as I've said which happens in countries with a socialistic healthcare system and even an almost overall communistic system like China, atm at a faster rate than in America since you have bans on stemcell research f.e. [which Obama allowed again since this year], but that's because of other [right religious] reasons.
Subher0 2 years ago
@Subher0
A. Cheaper? Doesn't the government need more taxes for them to lower the cost of healthcare?
B. Why trust the government to innovate? Like you said they're non-profit. There is no reward, so where is the incentive to innovate?
Johnhaile88 10 months ago
@Johnhaile88 You miss the point. It's cheaper than the money paid to private insurers now collectively indeed, and allowing everybody to have healthcare. Maybe for you personally it wouldn't, because you might never get sick, but if you get seriously sick once and the chances are high you will, it will be cheaper. It's paying taxes to the government allowing EVERYBODY care, or it's paying insurance fees allowing only some to have care.
Subher0 10 months ago
@Johnhaile88 The incentive is the people's vote. But, there are alot of problems with your way of voting and how your politicians get elected, so maybe that problem should be dealt with first. You must understand, there is a reason why every advanced western nation has this type of system.... I know: because it works out for the people.
Subher0 10 months ago
@Johnhaile88 What Obama should have done is have a public option run along the private option. The private option would go out of business, that's all the proof you need to know public is better.
Subher0 10 months ago
@Subher0 A perfect example of private run along public options... schools... Unfortunately public schools cant go out of business because they run on tax payers money. Does that mean they are better? of course not. In fact they don't even compare to the level of learning a private school will teach a student because a private school has the incentive to do well. Public schools dont have that same incentive.
Johnhaile88 8 months ago
@Johnhaile88 We should indeed only have public option and no private option on these kind of things. It's about the pool of skilled doctors/teachers, who will turn to private since it pays them more. The incentive is not to do well, the incentive is to make money. Without a private option on basic things such as education and health care, these people will go public aswell. Talking about examples, my country is almost all public schools, and has one of the BEST educated students in the world.
Subher0 8 months ago
@Johnhaile88 I don't see how you can be blind where all other advanced western countries have adapted these basic principals. It's because the US have been fighting communism for 50 years you're all scared of it, but your fear is ungrounded. And looking at the statistics, the majority of the American people wanted a government run healthcare option, saying the current bill doesn't go far enough.
Subher0 8 months ago
C) Even lazy people deserve to have their life saved regardless of that life is, by you, valued less than others, I value every life thesame and that's a fundamental difference, I believe, between you and me.
All of this is proven in the systems that have already been applied in f.e. my country and EVERY modern western country. 90% of all people say it works and works great.
Now you've said things but showed me no proof, my proof is in these already applied and working systems.
Subher0 2 years ago
Saving lives in a hospital costs money and usually a lot of money. Who should pay for the lazy people that go into a hospital? If someone is too lazy to work and make money for themself, why is that someone can take my money (property) by force to help someone else? Is this not stealing?
Johnhaile88 10 months ago
This socialist health care idea is an all around bad idea to incorporate into this nation. Socialism fails, in a sense, because of it's obsession with class warfare. In a community, the producers are always going to make more money than the non-producers or under-producers because they either work harder, are smarter, or are more tenacious. Why is their wealth undeserved? The reason why so many support this socialist idea is because they realize that they can vote the producer's money into
bordenwesley 2 years ago
their pockets. This envy is what fuels the socialist ideals, but are they good? No, because they also fuel laziness. Capitalism can also be fueled by envy, as well, but that envy is translated into more productivity from everyone who is envious. This increase in productivity is beneficial to everyone. With capitalism, the producer is going to produce more to keep up, while the non-producer is enticed to become a producer. Liberalism and Socialism gives the non-producer no incentive to get
bordenwesley 2 years ago
Just look at our health care in comparison to that of the UK, France, or Canada. We have a higher quality of care because we don't smother the innovation. As soon as this plan is put into play, it will lower the quality of care and result in more deaths.
bordenwesley 2 years ago
Stop jumping from side to side you're avoiding the fact you're being hammered on all points and again with this comment, since mortality rates in the US are higher even than those in Canada.
So that's a major burn.
Subher0 2 years ago
Huntsman Cancer Institute
check it out
much nicer than ANY govt run hospital in the entire world
run entirely by donations & insurance
Zaxxon2008 2 years ago
ok so you're ignorant here as well
China may well be ahead in EMBRYONIC stem cell research, which was limited in the US until this year. but embryonic stem cell research has not produced anywhere near the positive results that ADULT stem cell research has, which hasnt been as constrained in the US
Zaxxon2008 2 years ago
I have cousins in Sweden. If they fall ill, they come here to the US. One even was told that in her country, they would not have __delivered her baby__ because pregnancy was too high risk and would havebe too costly. She would have had to abort the child. Fortunately baby was born here and now the healthy 18 yr old son is entering college. We have to really contemplate this before jumping in. Why overturn it all? Is Obama the one to reform care? We are in dangerous times.
Dastgreene 2 years ago
Sorry but if social security would be such a bad system, then all countries would use the American system, but it's only America using this system and ALL other modern western countries use social healthcare... please this video is propaganda think please.
Subher0 2 years ago
again, the "THINK" police strike
what she really means is "please think LIKE ME"
as all socialist do
Zaxxon2008 2 years ago
No what I care about is trying to let you realise I'm trying to help you not put you down.
Do you really think I want to hook you up with something that doesn't work?
Do you think I want you not to improve your quality of life?
Do you think I care what you actually think of me? I don't even know you!
Subher0 2 years ago
@Dastgreene
Swedes have alot better healthcare, for less money thanks to your moneysucking capitalistic system where corporations fight for the most great increases.
Varangern 2 years ago
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OMG this is the biggest piece of shit I've ever seen. I have lost complete respect for John Stossel
shawakwak 2 years ago
My family doctor was born in Canada and practiced in Ontario until 2004. According to him, the Canadian system's waits are less than America. These "facts" are being purchased by Cigna, Blue Cross, and the other insurance companies. Do your own research, don't believe the media!!!!
kpweaver27 2 years ago
"RATIONING" I hate this stupid crap what lies.
I wish the american media would QUIT MANIPULATING THE TRUTH!!!
dustinbia323 2 years ago
THIS IS COMPLETE CRAP!! -take it from a Canadian
My Dad had hip surgery and did not wait 6 months!!!
I am tired of these LIES about Canada
yes we do have some problems as our Goverrnment has cut spending on Health Care. However, talk to ANY average Canadian and they will tell you they will that they will NEVER switch to an American style system.
YOU ARE STUPID IF YOU BELIEVE THIS - CALL A CANADIAN AND ASK THEM!!!
dustinbia323 2 years ago
Free market health care would be better than any government run bureaucracy.. and we haven't had a free market - government meddling has brought us to this so called 'crisis'. Almost all journalism in the U.S. is biased, but how often do you hear a free-market / libertarian point of view? I applaud John Stossel for standing for what he believes in.
scott04la 2 years ago 3
John Stossel is consistently free market in his beliefs. He is not an objective journalist, just a vulgar propagandist. Listen to him on pay equity (he claims men are paid more because they have harder jobs) and almost every pertinent issue.
CalabrezSayZ 2 years ago
The best , most balanced news coverage is on Democracy Now on Free Speech TV , they don't take any corporate money unlike Fox and CNN .
thesepipesRclean 2 years ago
this video really breaks it down 4 ya.... i wish everyone would see this......
dcarterfrom07 2 years ago
I hope you don't believe this stuff - it is a manipulation of the truth
dustinbia323 2 years ago
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dcarterfrom07 2 years ago
why so angry? hit a sore spot? I guess when people run out of things to say they get angry.
Just thought you should know this pure crap - really would you like it if someone lied about your country?
dustinbia323 2 years ago
we dont want socialized health care and we dont want a nannie state.... we dont want obama's change... all we want is the old america without corrupt snakes running it
dcarterfrom07 2 years ago 2
Stop speaking for me since I am dying from a precondition.
numnunums 2 years ago
i dont know if i should believe you but if it is true then all i can say is may God be with you and may He heal any ailments that u have.. i will pray 4 u and a full recovery... God bless
dcarterfrom07 2 years ago
I'd rather live with UHC and your scorn instead of die with your pity.
numnunums 2 years ago
i agree... if you are stupid enough to smoke cigarettes and drink beer, then don't expect me to pay for your expensive lung resection surgery
veej309 2 years ago
is this what happens when people get cancer in the US?
numnunums 2 years ago
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dcarterfrom07 2 years ago
It is hillarious because Canadians live longer , have less illness and actually have more control over who their doctor is compared to an American with an HMO . Did you know that Americans pay more taxes than Canadians ? Look it up . Americans pay higher taxes over all than the UK , Canada , and France which all have universal coverage . Do some fact checking gunteraustria , you are making youself look like a fool .
thesepipesRclean 2 years ago 2
I'm from Canada and I think our system is HORRIBLE.
See, I can lie too.
It's weird how so many "canadians" are concerned about American HC system and so ready to suggest we copy your system (sorry but I did look at the video - no thanks!).
What is up with that - I wonder?? Are ya'll really ACORN workers, sitting here posting when not giving out tax and housing advice??
LOL!!
hcnoway 2 years ago
NO. We just want people to stop lying about our health care system. I think these guys should be sued.
devilledangel 2 years ago
didn't realize Canadians used the term "ya'll". South Canada, I presume?
austinbot21 2 years ago
on those who work in healthcare will truly understand wht this "healthcare reform" will be a disaster...
bking404 2 years ago 3
I work in health care and completely disagree . I think it's funny when people say that we would wait so long for care like in the UK . The health care in the UK is not only free , but much higher quality , and you don't wait near as long for it . I waited about six minutes to be seen and when I got 11 stitches , they gave me a bill for 29 EU . That's like 40 bucks . I had to pay being American , but I have never been seen so quickly or charged so little in America .
thesepipesRclean 2 years ago
555 new drugs? what for, restless leg syndrome? i bet you didnt hear about pfizer's latest settlement.... (it's the 5th for over a million in the last 10 years)
pakiman47 2 years ago
UnitedHealth Group--the second largest health insurance company in the country--sent out a letter to its employees urging them to call UHG's United for Health Reform Advocacy Hotline to speak with an advocacy specialist about health care reform. The advocacy specialist, according to the letter, is there to help UHG employees write personalized messages to elected officials, and to arm them with talking points to use at local events in order to better oppose the public health insurance option.
Spytheweb 2 years ago
Spy, i would hope every citizen gets on the phone to their rep or writes them a letter. Public health insurance is a doomed system that will saddle the country with trillions of more debt, crimp growth and productivity, curtailing GDP.
In a public system, we lose our rights and liberties for self determination. We lose accountability. Quality goes down. Innovation is stymied.
Economically, it won't solve the unemployment problem -- it'll keep folks away from work.
It's a bad idea all around.
MonikaNGeneva 2 years ago 4
Hahahahahaha.
I'm a Canadian. I'm wondering when this is going to be airing on the Comedy Network. Good one John.
Or isn't this a joke?
devilledangel 2 years ago
Yea , as a Canadian you already know that we often use your country in our lies . We say " you don't want to wait forever to be seen like in Canada ". It is so stupid when you guys have a WAY BETTER system than the USA . We rank 37th in America in health care , but just like in our education system , people claim we are the best in the world . We rank number 1 in America in one thing , DELUSION !
thesepipesRclean 2 years ago
Canada's system sucks. Care is rationed. The individual is NOT in control of his own health care. Care is worse. People in Quebec are "due" about 3 catastrophic illnesses/year based on the amount of taxes they pay.
This sucking of funds from producers has a deleterious effect on the country's economic fortune -- standard of living, unemployment, job creation, upward mobility, innovation.
The EU system is a mess. The traditional American model needs to be allowed to work, not massive govt.
gunteraustria 2 years ago
gunteraustria. If you are going to lie about our system, at least make it half believable. Usually when people distort the truth, they have to try and throw some truth in so people believe it. Care is NOT rationed. We are 100% in control of our own health care and we are not "due" and limit on the amount of illness based on our taxes.
However, Americans ARE restricted based on your insurance.
Wake up dude. It's time for a change.
devilledangel 2 years ago
thepipesRclean.
You have that so right. For example, I am currently reading the comment from gunteraustria below "Canada's system sucks. Care is rationed. The individual is NOT in control of his own health care. Care is worse. People in Quebec are "due" about 3 catastrophic illnesses/year based on the amount of taxes they pay." That is beyond laughable. That is the most absurd, outlandish, ridiculous outright lie I have read about our system yet. And there have been plenty.
devilledangel 2 years ago
Make it legal for Americans to purchase meds from Canada. That would be a big savings for us.
astroman30 2 years ago
I don't think American would be happy waiting in lines for care or having to put their name in a lottery to get a Dr. In the UK 700,000 are on waiting list for hospital procedures it atke at min 122 days to get it. 40% of cancer patients never see an oncologist. We need reform that will put competition is the market system and put healthcare dollars into individuals hands. Experts say allowing purchasing across State lines would give 17 million access to affordable healthcare.
quizerry 2 years ago 6
This is a video everyone should see. Every Country that has a Government run system is facing rising cost and rationing care to deal with it. No one has tried a true free market system. Our Gove controls the resources and how they are used they set the prices for 1/2 our healthcare sector directly and the other 1/2 indirectly. The have passed the laws and regulations that cut competition and benefit themselves and the Industry. A true free market system would cut cost & provide the best quality
quizerry 2 years ago 6
Want the truth?
Just go to any non-liberal for it, because liberals only lie.
HippiesAreNazis 2 years ago
The AARP has released a lovely article on their website saying that states are breaking federal law in letting residents purchase meds from Canada. It's on their website. Hence, IT'S AGAINST THE LAW. But thank god the states care about their people.
astroman30 2 years ago
This is exactly why government healthcare is stupid. Yes there are some people that can't afford private healthcare. However, there are some that could afford it but they buy things that they can't afford rather than be concerned about their health.
MonkeyDeLax 2 years ago
Monkey gets it! Thank you monkey for the breath of fresh air.
MonikaNGeneva 2 years ago
Long waiting times in the Canadian/socialized system are not decided on by the govt. Docs have the clinical know-how to tell when a conditon is life threatening and when it isn't and their judgement influences how urgent the imaging/procedure is.
I'm happy to say that I havenever turned a patient away from care because they couldn't afford to have a procedure.
Meanwhile, in USA,one must decide if putting their kids through college is as important as a liver transplant. That is unacceptable.
TheBonydoc 2 years ago
That's a beautiful system, doc, where bureaucrats make decisions based upon their best interest -- not the patients.
So depending on, say, what type of surgery you need, you may have to wait. And wait. Until the system is ready for you.
I'd much rather have a system where I have broader access, choice and competition. I know that I'll get better care because of it.
Your eco myopia -- Obamacare requires higher taxes, adds deficit, retards growth, jobs &profit.. making it harder for citizens.
MonikaNGeneva 2 years ago
Doc, just read a nice article in the daily mail (UK) about a father who had to deliver birth to his child who was not breathing.
Why did he have to do this himself? Because the hospital turned away the mother, saying she wasn't far enough into labor. She of course, was.
Had it not been for the heroics of the father, his child would have died.
So much for glowing social-run government health care!
MonikaNGeneva 2 years ago
Doc, do me a favor and on you tube search for John Stossel hsa.
The journalist looks into Health Savings Accounts. Notice how the individual is in charge of the care, shopping around for the best service at the cost they want. Wow, what an idea!
Are you seeing how there are numerous private market reforms we can do to fix health care now, w/o govt intrusion?
And your perceptions about US care is wrought with hyperbole -- really, we all have to decide between college and liver transplants?
cirrusbill 2 years ago
Monika,
First of all, I am an md in Canada...I know my medical system very well.
Second, the current system does involve bureaucrats...lots of them. They work for the insurance companies!
Finally, WHY do you think costs per person will be significantly higher for a national healthcare service?
As I said before, everyone pays so we can all benefit. Your current system does not cover everyone. You sitll have not told me how your current plan helps Americans without insurance...
TheBonydoc 2 years ago
Doc, I'm sure your system works great. If your number gets called. If you don't mind paying more in taxes than may be needed. In Quebec, as you know, effective tax is rate is about the highest in NA. Your system can't work in US w/o significant compromises ... to liberty, to GDP/growth, standard of living...American values that are being eroded.
Costs will be too high. We can't afford it. Pvt mkrt reforms allow to keep control, liberties, control costs through competition -- foreign concepts!
MonikaNGeneva 2 years ago
Monika, you have to stop thinking from the perspective of yourself and the social class you belong to.
Realize that there are millions of people in your own country who are MUCH poorer than you are.
These people are citizens like yourself who pay their taxes and respect the law. How can you leave them out of receiving proper preventitive health care because they only make a few hundred dollars a month?
TheBonydoc 2 years ago