9-15 Bishop Spong -VS- Dr. Martin - Topic : Sexual Ethics

[Keruaran]

Judging by the comments it seems that many were simply not interested in Roger's testimony and simply ignored what he had to say. His message is consistent with scripture, that he was dead in sin with no ability to change himself. Religion could not help him, but Jesus took him as he was and made him a new man as the scriptures say, "Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come." ~ 2 Corinthians 5:17.

[mariatinaza]

Jesus saved Roger.. It is done! The problem he had is lust, unhealthy sexual practice and uncontrol desires..NOT homosexuality! if a whore dying of AIDS sat down and confessed in public TV that she was guilty of her heterosexuality, all straight people will become outraged and gay people should feel religiously obligated to condemn her...? its 2011, life of civilization not only found in the USA especially in Dr.Ankerberg's Show..

[Goodlife51]

walkthejosh and bbravo...the consequences of the gay lifestyle is DESTRUCTIVE...GOD has spoken...but man is so proud...lets be clear..ALL sex outside of marriage is DESTRUCTIVE...this story is sad..but not uncommon

[mariatinaza]

@Goodlife51 you were right, but there are married couples who contracted AIDS from their previous lifestyles.. God also spoken of Abraham and Jacob polygamous sex as well as Lot's incestful.. so ok this is not DESTRUCTIVE as the gay "lifestyle"... happy puss licker bro..

[Goodlife51]

@mariatinaza All cases of AIDS stems from UNGODLY living.....the previous lifestyles u bring up validate my point.....when man steps outta bounds they get burned...SEX is GOD`s design!!..but man wants to follow his flesh..we ALL have to deny our feelings...married men see beautiful women all the time..thats no license to Fonicate...homosexuals dont get to follow what they feel simply because they feel it..come on!! If u dont go thru the PAIN of denying urself u will go thru the PAIN of regret!

[misterjay85]

@Goodlife51 yeah but what about bad blood transfusions 

[walkthejosh]

Using Roger's story to try to show that homosexuality is wrong is the same as using a person who weighs 700 pounds because they eat terrible food constantly to show that eating is wrong. Maybe even more to the point it's like using a heterosexual sex addict to show that heterosexuality is wrong.

[fthepoleese]

This is the most tremendous crock of shit I've ever seen. How are the experience of a victim of child rape and a sex addict supposed to be representative of the general gay experience? Are these Christian bimbos actually suggesting that the average gay person's sexual impulses are so out of control that he can't hold a job? And Ann Coulter says that liberals use victims to advance bogus arguments. Go back to the Middle Ages, Mr. Martin, and take your beer belly and your homophobia with you

[philnoll]

Well that settles it folks. You heard it here from the trashiest male hooker in chicago. Homosexuals can't have healthy relationships.

[amyrollin]

To each their own.

[goosejoy20]

God bless Roger

[robtul12]

It makes me angry that that slime ball John Ankerberg used this individual and tragic case as the model he gave his audience for homosexuality. Most gay people don't have aids just like most straight people. There are straight peole who have sex with many partners just like gay people. It was unfair of Ankerberg to pass this nonsense off on ignorant, credulous, uneducated people as if this poor man's case was what the norm for homosexuality is. It isn't.

[Vaekkrinhart]

Look, homo, your people have been on a campaign for decades to promote this sickness and you use everything you can think of to do it. We are out to prove you wrong and we will do the same- using everything we can to stop you. All is fair in love and war. And btw, the percentage of people who have AIDS\HIV is miniscule in the straight population- mostly just the needle users have it. Not so with the gay crowd- you have an overwhelmingly high percentage of AIDS. You know it's true.

[robtul12]

Firstly, I'm not gay. Even if I were it wouldn't have any impact on my argument. Aids and other sexual diseases are spread by having unsafe/unprotected sex. I was correct in saying that both straight and gay people have STDs including AIDS, and that most gay and straight peple do not have AIDS. There is nothing I said which was incorrect. Yes, you are correct, gay people do tend to have higher rates of HIV and AIDS. However, it is still a very small percentage and stems from unprotected sex.

[Vaekkrinhart]

WHy do you try to sugar coat it? The percentage of AIDS infected homosexuals is MUCH higher! So much so that the life expectancy rate is 20 years less than that of a real man

[njexit8a]

You sir... are a judgmental bigot. I'll bet God loves that!

[littleredbirdy]

His words are not representative of Christianity.

There is nothing wrong with homosexuality, but there is something wrong with practicing it.

As someone who was a practicing bi sexual before my wonderful conversion I can say that his words are not representative of true Christianity.

Notice, Leviticus says if they LIE with another of the same sex. It does not say if they find them attractive.

[repairthis]

Agreed! 1000000% If they can use their money and their political power to infiltrate christianity, they think that makes them right, and it doesn't!!!! Taking it up the ass is WRONG, medically and morally.

[repairthis]

The norm?? Like ass fucking is normal. lol

[robtul12]

The norm for homosexuality, yes. It exists in nature and has existed in every ancient society we are aware of. It wan't vilified and condemned in say, Ancient Greece like it is now. Why does it bother you people so much anyways? If you don't want to be gay you don't have to be. Why can't you just let other people live their lives in peace without judging them and harassing them and trying to pass laws that eliminate their opportuinity at equal rights? Jesus said LOVE one another and to JUDGE NOT

[repairthis]

ahh, let other people live their lives. Homos have insisted on being priests, being allowed in the Boy Scouts.

Many things that are against God's laws have existed in ancient societies. Because something exists (rape, murder) doesn't mean they are all behaviors that God blesses or supports.

[Undertaker202]

@robtul12

"Jesus said... to JUDGE NOT" 1 I doubt you know where the quote is, 2 this restriction does not mean that a diciple never judges. After all some kind of judgment is required in order to obey the commandin in v.6 of where your quoteing. The idea here is not that one should ignore sin or refuse to discuss the consequences rather one should be gracious and quick to forgive. But then again like I said you don't even know where your quoteing with your looking it up

[soranneo]

Jesus also said be slow to judge but if you must judge judge righteously.

[robtul12]

The scripture I was quoting was from Matthew chapter 7. It says, in the King James Version: " Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And, in verse 5: "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." It is a very well known scripture.

[sivatmin]

Whooo...Roger's testimony is amazing! What a blessing to hear is this.

[stopplayingchurch]

AMEN! Gods word doesn't change homosexuals into heterosexuals, Gods word transforms them. The homosexual nature DIES and the natural nature is REBORN. WONDERFUL TESTIMONY ROGER!

PRAISE GOD! I LOVE YOU JESUS

[Nephilim145]

His story isn't something that science can prove but it for damn sure is real. this is the power of christ right here. Changing mens lives in ways unimaginable. Christ did the same for me.

[bbravo2]

using someone dying of aids to preach hatred and judgment. that's pretty sleazy.

[Nephilim145]

what is it with people? Why is everybody so politically correct. We can't call sin, sin we can't call wrong wrong anymore. If it doesn't make people feel good its hatred. Nobody is saying hate gays but homosexuality is detestable to the lord our God and that is in the bible. It may not be what people want to hear because the "scientific data" doesn't show that or becuase society is ok with being gay but its not ok with God plain and simple.

[YoungCalvinist08]

I assume they didn't hijack the man at gunpoint and make him do it. It was a full and free choice of Roger to do that.

[Keruaran]

@bbravo2

You make it sound as if he didn't appear on the program of his own free will. And I didn't hear anything in his testimony that sounded like "hatred and judgment".

[sldeyo]

Jesus saved him! Hallelujah! what an amazing testamony!

[sldeyo]

Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. John 8:34.

This man needs Jesus not a religion. bless his heart.

[HondaRealty]

Wow. The Dr guy is dead I think! I bet he split hell right open the bigot! What a stunning level of ignorance on the part of the Dr and host. These are the type of people who given half a chance would bring about theocratic dictatorship. Absolute loonies. Than god for bishop Spong

[YoungCalvinist08]

Mature...very mature. You wouldn't like it if I said the same thing about your father, would you now?

[HondaRealty]

My father is not a bigot and as hell does not exist it is a mute point. I would say one thing, it is even less mature to believe in an imaginary friend (god).

[YoungCalvinist08]

What a big man you are! Not...

[HondaRealty]

Whether I am a big man or not is irrelevant and unlike you I dont revert to insults as a way of continuing an argument when I run out of substance!! Its simple! Youre the one making fantastic claims, where is the evidence other than some vicious bronze aged tribal documents which are historically as accurate at WW2 according to a neo Nazi. Your god just does not matter and people like me will oppose your attempts to inflict your twisted morality on secular society and Im not even Gay! LAMO!