Christopher Hichens vs doulgas collision latest video

[CroArtVandelay]

"It can't be believed by a thinking person !"

[helsgaun1234]

type in "ski crashes" in the youtube search and click the video with stars in the title to be shocked!

[sariglenn]

@helsgaun1234 I type it in with the stars but I cant find it. I get every other ski crash video except the one with stars in the title. Send me a video link

[cedric1671]

Great way to make a living....as bad as the TV evangelists. Jesus says said better to have a mill stone around your neck than to tamper with the faith of the children who believe.

If someone doesn't believe then kick the sand off your feet and keep moving. You can not save everyone save your energy fro the one's that have eyes to see and ears to hear.

[fredriknorand]

It's quite obvious that religion is evil

[davidkerr7]

love listing to Hitchens talk

[seolari]

Christopher declared that he debated with religious Christens, Jews and Muslims jet I have never seen him debate with a Muslim scholar publicly. He might have done this privately and I think that’s the reason that he dose not chews to do it publicly because it has been realized by many intellectuals that wining a debate with the logic and reason of Islam is impossible. It is sad that Hitchens might die before he put his arguments before a scholar of the true religion of God.

[bgshort99]

hichens is an intellectual who is gonna bust hell wide open before he realizes he made the worst mistake he could have made but then it will be too late.

[RyanR3volution]

Why does Hitchens have to be a neocon!!

[avsrightwinger19]

@RyanR3volution maybe he's right.

[RyanR3volution]

@avsrightwinger19

Neocons are NEVER fucking right, they are evil and misguided in foreign policy. Completely misguided.

[FLUSEM666]

@RyanR3volution He started thinking that way after 9/11. That should give you a big clue.

[Relaxe]

Douglas Wilson - "I believe that faith provides me with a basis for rationality"

I know we can't expect a lot of reason from theists but this is just dumb, faith is the opposite of rationality, how can you use the former as a basis for the latter?

[foucachon]

@Relaxe If only you realized how much "faith" you have in your rational system of belief. Notice that Hitchens is smart enough to realize this. He doesn't argue from the "rationalist" standpoint like many athiests. That's what makes this pair great! Have you really thought about the basis of your rationalism? It's circular. Circles down to our axioms that is. We all have our axioms of belief. The axioms differ, but those axioms are based on faith. Epistemology 101.

[MomoTheBellyDancer]

@foucachon

"Have you really thought about the basis of your rationalism?"

Research and evidence. In short: results.

[kissfan7]

1:29

A brief correction that I can't take credit for: Genesis states that plants were eaten before the Fall. Plant cells must be killed to be eaten. Clearly, death has little to do with a "rebellion against God". We need not know history and science to disprove the Bible, its major downfall is its internal inconsistancies.

While the film looks interesting, I'm hoping it doesn't have the MTVesque style that the previews make it. Such a style is good at five minute intervals and that's it.

[orbis2009]

Ladies and gentleman: An excellent assessment of the Hitch from the current NY Review of Books, entitled "The Believer" by Ian Buruma shows that the one constant in Hitch's life is inconstancy. And I wish that was all that was said. It's also featured in excerpts on today's Huffington Post (there called "Christopher Hitchens' "Hitch 22": Left? Right? Center?" 6.28.10 ) . Better sit down for this one because the contradictions in him are most substantial.

[elpuma12777]

think about that



[elpuma12777]

LET ME ANSWER UR QUESTION " Hichens" i know a few people who were once living a drug style life & thanks to the bible and their new Christian beliefs they were able to change that and become old men with happy families.

This world does not need any more self worshiping atheist or poser Christians people who say they are but there actions and words show they are not.

We need more people like the Jesus in the bible spoke about people who were willing to help others before themselves.Blessings

[kissfan7]

@elpuma12777

While I too know of religious ex-users, the overall record of religious anti-drug programs is poor. Over 95% of AA users leave after one year. Secular groups have a better track record. One must wonder why a god would make it harder for his/her followers to turn their lives around than those that don't follow him/her.

Jesus, if he existed, was a cult leader who broke up families and said he will send most people to hell. We do not need another of him.

[elpuma12777]

@kissfan7

hey dude,Jesus hated the idea of a cult or a religion and when he walked on earth he help the poor, healed the sick, and died for people like u and me who are sinners, so we can get to know God, and he's not gonna sugar-cote the hell part he let us know people on earth were gonna rebel against him and deny him.

[elpuma12777]

@kissfan7 ur taking the family part way out of context we cant put anything above God including our families it doesnt mean we dont love them we have to just love them to a lesser extent. Ur never gonna understand God with ur mind we are to limited but he is all knowing so it may sound crazy but we have to have faith in him not just anyone can follow Christ, i hope one day u accept him with your heart and not just just try to reason who he is. Maybe then ur life will have more meaning.

[kissfan7]

@elpuma12777

"he let us know people on earth were gonna rebel against him and deny him."

Is a kid in the middle of the Amazon who has never heard of Jesus rebelling against him? Am I, by not seeing evidence for his existence, rebelling? If yes, does that neccesitate infinite torture?

"doesnt mean we dont love them we have to just love them"

Luke 14:26 disagrees.

"Ur never gonna understand God with ur mind"

Why did God create my minds like that if it make it harder for me to follow him?

[elpuma12777]

@kissfan7

To answer ur question about people in the Amazon the people who havent heard of the God are judged by the law God has put in in our hearts.And u will be judged not for not seeing enough evidence but for denying God and being foolish for having faith in man instead of God. And why would god create ur mind for it to be harder for u to follow him its ur choice not Gods to love him or hate him if God made everyone love him it would not be love. He wants u to truly love him. GodBless

[kissfan7]

@elpuma12777

"[P]eople who havent heard of the God are judged by the law God has put in in our hearts."

What is the scriptural basis for this?

"u will be judged not for not seeing enough evidence but for denying God"

If I see evidence, I'll consider converting. Do you have that evidence? Why can't I or any other non-Christian be judged by the same method as that kid?

"having faith in man instead of God"

Not to sound rude, but this phrase doesn't say anything.

[kissfan7]

@elpuma12777

"its ur choice"

If, as the Bible says, my mind was created by God, why did he create it in such a way that I can't understand him? If someone else created my mind I have no choice in the matter.

This has nothing to do with forcing love. To love something you have to know it exists. If I didn't know my boyfriend existed I wouldn't love him. God doesn't have to create minds that love him, just minds that know him. Instead, he made most people non-Christian.

[BillKiernan]

@elpuma12777 "who havent heard of the God are judged by the law God has put in in our hearts" which means jesus was incorrect when he stated "no one gets to the father but through me." NO ONE. christianity falls apart right there. check.

[elpuma12777]

@BillKiernan Damn so i said something that was incorrect no one is perfect THATS WHY I NEED JESUS and thats why no one gets to the father but through him i accept Jesus as my savior. Will you?

[BillKiernan]

@elpuma12777 "i hope one day u accept him with your heart and not just just try to reason who he is" in other words, "stop thinking, becaue thinking will lead you away from this religion, because one needs to compartmentalize one's mind in order to accept obvious nonsense as reality when one decides to join our ranks." too much rationality aint good for faith is it?

[elpuma12777]

@BillKiernan I actually do want u to think i want all atheist to think and realize how stupid atheism is and how much faith u guys have in your beliefs. If you want to know God your not gonna know him by reading a book or studying who he is. You get to know God by by prayer. You understand me God bless

[BillKiernan]

@elpuma12777 "how much faith u guys have in your beliefs" what are my beliefs? *hint* NOT believing in something is NOT believing in something, it is a lack of belief. do you believe in leprechauns? no? do you consider that a belief you hold? do you consider anti-leprechaunism some kind of movement or religion or faith you belong to? no, it's just lack of belief. that's what atheism/agnosticism is. i have thought about it, i've read the bible, prayed, gotten "saved," baptised. i no longer buy it

[elpuma12777]

@BillKiernan Ok i get were ur coming from but I mean ur belief that there is no God. l feel like u constantly have to convince urself there is no God telling urself lies when the truth is right in front of you. Why because you athiest love sin. The bible says he who does good goes into the light and he who does bad goes into the darkness for fear there dark deeds will be exposed in the light,and that is why you've turned turned ur back on God. Have Faith =)

[BillKiernan]

@elpuma12777 (cont.) reinforce their beliefs. try to avoid non-believers in friendships, constantly pray and read the same book over and over again. it's not difficult at all to not believe, no reinforcement needed. "Why because you athiest love sin" this is what religious leaders say to demonize those who don't believe. every religion claims those that are not in the flock are sinners and outsiders. i've "turned my back" on god because there's no evidence he's there.

[elpuma12777]

@BillKiernan "reinforce their beliefs. try to avoid non-believers in friendships, constantly pray and read the same book over and over again" Hahaha is this what you think my relationship with God is about?? and what proof do you have that there is no God??

[cracanata]

@elpuma12777 if only you christians would just stop asking the same fucking question. what proof do YOU have that there is a god?

[foucachon]

@cracanata What proof do YOU have in evolution? SHOW me. Ah, did I hear, "evidence"? (which has gaping holes, btw). Well, I have evidence too.

Let's start with this (tons of places we could start): the presence of morality in the world. How is that evidence? Because if there is no God, then there is no basis for morality. Yet we haven't killed each other off. We try to, in rebellion against God.

[wonkothemagicelf]

@elpuma12777 What did you mean when you said, "the truth is right in front of you."? Did you mean that a god is evident and known?

[TheFragile89]

If you debate Hitchens, you're going to lose. Plain and simple.

[xavtron]

What the Fuck, religion is objectively beautiful, how can religion be objectively beautiful, the paradigms of beauty are a subjective thing, not objective, also objectively true, go get me some extrabiblical evidence then

[alexandreleverrier]

I think it's time for us to pull our pants up and show some balls to the Muslim world, I am sick and tired of this prophet bullshit, why are they untouchable ? we should have a picture of Mohamed on the first page of every single news paper in the world, FREEDOM OF SPEECH !!!

[ytfmichaelxu]

I can't find this movie anywhere, is Collision released or what?

[kissfan7]

@ytfmichaelxu

The blog Atheist Movies has a copy available for download.

[pitbull103]

The poor pastor doesn't stand a chance against the Hitch. Few do.

[confabulator99]

@1tmoch not  likely.

[1tmoch]

Hitchens got smoked.

[yxol]

Douglad "genocide is ok" Wilson

[justinoakley999]

these guys seem to have a good working relationship. the pastor has his ideas and he doesnt seem to impose them on others (in the debate). and the atheist knows the dudes religious beliefs are bat shit crazy. at the end of the day they can laugh over a couple of beers.... or pepsi (whatever the christians drink).

[ExposingTheGOP]

Douglas = moronic tool.

Hitchens = the Muhammad Ali/Mike Tyson of intellectual affairs.

[bacchusreborn]

why was he wearing a poppy? is he canadian?

[TheConciseStatement]

Why d'you think poppies are a Canadian thing? It's for the season around Remembrance Sunday.

[bacchusreborn]

i've just never seen americans wearing them around that time.

Just made my eybrow lift is all.

[TheConciseStatement]

Well it's a tradition he would have carried over from living in the UK. I didn't get round to stopping to buy one last year, and felt a bit guilty since it only takes a minute to find someone standing selling them.

[saaitar]

british dude, british

[WastedTourist]

This is just plain weird.

Hitchens has had far better debating opponents. WIlson is a total moron. Why they thought it was worth producing a documentary like this is a bit of a puzzle.

[eggory]

That's the most aweomse promotion of a debate i've ever seen. It's not just the quaint idea of setting it up like a title boxing match, it's actually well done.

[pissedoffdude1]

heh, his name's doug wilson

[alienmoonbase]

How is it "objectively beautiful" to be hurt really bad if you choose not to love another man, Jesus? He's a homsexual stalker.

God, the father is a dead beat dad.

"...a fallen world." idiot.

If the deities had only asked YOU about how the world should BE ...

Get over yourself. JC, (Joseph Campbell not Jesus Christ) said "This is the golden lotus world of perfection." It cannot be corrected.

Give up your jewish or christian tribalism.

[tubester4567]

what kind of fool wrote the title on this video? Both Hitchens and Douglas are spelt incorrectly.

[paulusmagirl]

Loved the documentary. Christopher seemed

bored lol Wilson, typical Christian who turns

every thing around to mean something it

doesn't. I caught my thoughts wandering when

Wilson spoke. He sure didn't have anything

new to say. Wilson's Charles Manson point

was way, way, way, way off. He didn't get the

point MC was making at all.

[paulusmagirl]

I meant CM not MC. Type-o

[Forkroute]

it's just so funny to see this context in this package.

[fitzhamilton]

Mr. Hitchens:

(or whomever may be in charge of this channel)

Your putting Pastor Douglas's name in minuscule, while your own name is in the majuscule, strikes me as rather poor form.

[sads404]

Definition of Christianity: the belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

[jesuslessed]

Hitchens hasn't done his homework?...typical Christian. Fervent faith keeps you in chains.

Jesus had a twin brother, Thomas, it was Thomas that appeared 3 days later... there, I just debunked 2000 years of Christianity in one YouTube comment!!

[jderbishire]

Oh, don't give us that opinionated nonsense. We all know it's the accent.

[jesuslessed]

This Wilson fellow comes across as less intelligent because his belief is less intelligent. Religion corrals the less inquisitive and faith isn't an argument for reason, it's merely an emotion devoid of any real logic. God is for pussys that can't cope with the idea that we are in control of our own destiny. Believe me, there isn't anyone coming back a second time!

[4EverInHim]

Hitchens really hasn't done his homework. All he says is happily debunked by the Bible obviously but for the those not interested in the Bible read New York Times best seller "The Reason for God." by Tim Keller - Keller's book makes Hitchen's claims sound kindergarten - you have the courage to read it? Peace...

[YogzDaBeatChild]

3:11 - I would hate to be in the christian's position arguing those three premises. I do admit, I like his style.

[Jehusephat]

I do not. Read some of his books. A homosexual friend of mine was forcibly expelled from Wilson's private school, Logos, for being a homosexual. He had done nothing else wrong aside from this. Wilson's school also believes in the use of physical punishment as a means of corrective discipline. He reminds me that the moderately sized gap that separates Christianity from Islam, culturally speaking, may someday be bridged, causing us all to lose some of our hard-earned freedoms in the process.

[YogzDaBeatChild]

Sorry to hear that.

[foucachon]

@Jehusephat You need to read your history. The values taught at Logos school are what MADE this nation what it is, with all its liberties. It is the antithesis of Islam.

[naybobdenod]

@Jehusephat Quote ` He had done nothing else wrong aside from this `.May I ask what is wrong with homosexuality

[Jehusephat]

@naybobdenod Nothing, from my personal perspective. According to those in charge of the school, homosexuality is wrong. It was a context-specific statement.

[naybobdenod]

@Jehusephat thank you my friend for qualifying my question.

Sincerely

[MrRingmaster]

I wonder why Hitchens refuses to debate Ravi Zacharias.

[LBLlama]

Hitchens is going to own this guy.

[landesdesign]

I cant wait for it! I bet it will be classified as a comedy. I kinda feel bad for Wilson. wait... no I dont.

[foucachon]

@LBLlama The pastor Doug Wilson? I saw the documentary. Not quite - I've been following Hitchens' videos, and Doug Wilson pretty much won this one. Hitchens is sharp, but has gaping holes in his argument, and Doug Wilson brought them out pretty well.

[chrism137]

@LBLlama

Not if doulgas is on his game...

An atheist cant find God for the same reason a thief cant find the cops... its the last thing they want to find and if they did find it... they'd still hate it.

[backwoodsninja]

@chrism137 That's quite silly. An atheist can't find God because there is no evidence for God. Cops are quite different. People have actually seen cops before.

[jcnednasluvchile]

If anyone would like to know why Hitchens is as much a fanatic and extremist as his religious counterparts, please post your e-mail address.

[HumanStrategy]

I read the tiny little book already. The gap between their capacities is quite amusing. Wilson is simply beneath him in terms of his dialectic skill.

[jdubbin78]

This is going to be tight

[KainWeylin]

Umm, wow lol. Looking forward to this video, but the title stood out to me. The poster didn't include the full name, capitalization or even correct spelling of Douglas Wilson's first name haha. Hopefully it was unintentional.

[dudefacemcgee]

factvfiction, I love hitchens as well but I don't find Wilson to be stupid. In fact, I would say he is one of the more itelligent and reasonable Christians that Hitchens has debated.

[ClumsyRoot]

I tend to agree. I'd put him up there with Bil Craig--intelligent men who are, unfortunately, hamstrung by their religious preconceptions.

[YogzDaBeatChild]

I never came across wilson, but I like his style. It's a shame that the premises put forth by him are very difficult to accept.

[factvfiction]

I love Hitchens. Too much of a gap in intellect for this to be stimulating.

[pervertedmind]

i don't know what the term insufferable means exactly, but, i can't not help but think i would fall in love with douglas if i got to the point of torturing him to no end feel like i only started to.

[Iambecome]

How anyone can consider Christianity objectively true is beyond me.

[CDUBBLEYEW]

I agree, I've read the pamphlet Southern Slavery, As It Was by Wilson and its borderline similar to holocaust denial.

I'm surprised Hitchens didn't attack Wilson more about this.

[kaxitaksi]

Whats the music 5:10? Like it :)

[LIGHTMAN004]

Does anyone know if this will be avalible on DVD in Region 2? Or is this DVD going to be region 0, so it's playerble on all dvd players.

[TousVous]

It's not coming to theaters anywhere else??

Sad day!!

[ldfmeile]

I'm surprised they made a movie with Douglas Wilson, who is a Confederate apologist and a crackpot among crackpots. Dinesh D'Souza would have been a better choice. He argues the theist point much better.

[madamezora7]

Ugh, I must have spent too much time on this argument, several people have said they think more of D'Souza than most christian apologists, but I just don't. He's too smart, I think he's an outright fraud. I've enjoyed Rabbi Wolpe more than many because at least he actually seems to care about the betterment of mankind as it's own end, separate from spreading the religion virus.

[ldfmeile]

I think you're rationale is a little too black and white. I feel that D'Souza is sincere in his beliefs. I've read some of his work and he has a clear understanding of the role that Christianity played in the development of Western Culture. His main point is that many of the concepts that secularist celebrate emanate from a Christian origin.

[kaeBR]

Nah, I'd rather have Douglas Wilson. He really does seem to believe what he says and seems to have some kind of thought out rationale for it.

Every time I hear Dinesh speaking, his arguments reek of intellectual dishonesty; the kind that should get people laughed out of an intellectual discussion and never let back in again for making.

[madamezora7]

ldfmeile, you could be right about D'Souza, but I remain skeptical. His apologetics are twisted and mind-numbing to me, and his smug attitude makes me want to hit him in the face with a pie.

KaeBR, I couldn't agree more. I prefer someone I can believe actually buys the crap they sell through naivete, and D'Souza is clearly not naive. "The bible is true because it says so in the bible" should be met with "You're just not allowed to be that stupid".

[o8QWERTYo8]

Wilson has had respect for Hitchens..

..it's best when it's dis-respectful. The HITCH wipes the floor everytime.

[crapcrap86]

this looks really good

[factvfiction]

Religion is so anti intellectual. isnt it strange that we would be designed with a brain but are not allowed to use it. Hitchens is an in incredible intellect and being so wired must find religion delusional

[o8QWERTYo8]

I so agree.

The least religious nation, Japan, just happens to have the highest average IQ in the World.

Do the Math.

Middle East = Thick as fuck.

[DawahFilms]

That's absurd.

To blame religion for the woes of the Middle East when it's all because of European Imperialism (the same problem that made Africa what it is today). The Arab nations, under Islam, were at the height of scientific inquiry and rationality when the West was in it's 'Dark Ages'.

For you to base IQ on religious adherence is equally as ignorant and neglects history and the contributions of many geniuses over the ages.

[Lomas4Life]

uuuuuuuh,

I believe the western imperialists were all primarily acting in the name of god as well as empire and riches.

no?

[DawahFilms]

Acting in the name of God? As an excuse yes. For riches? Of course. Land and riches have never been religions motivation ...politics on the other hand...

[Lomas4Life]

I would disagree.

Look at the Holy See.

[DawahFilms]

What does that have to do with what I just said?

Please point to me in the teachings of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam where there is a specific command that tells any one of them that they are allowed to or must obtained land and riches.

Aside from Judaism and going into the Promised Land back in the day that is...I'm talking about a general tenet of that specified faith.

[gisp40]

Historical fact is not absurd.

Religion made imperialism permissable. Kings could qualify their actions as "right" by pointing to the Bible and God. Which they did, as a fact, time and time again,

[DawahFilms]

Please provide where in Judaism, Christianity, or Islam the "right of Kings" is specifically mentioned and taught.

I'd love to see this.

[Lomas4Life]

I'll make an assumption.

You assume that the sacred texts are 1. sacred and 2. not to blame for perversions of man.

I disagree with the first, wholly.

But if this is so, then that leaves the words of the sacred texts as the creations of man entirely, and what is more, the crutch by which many a tyrant have propped themselves up upon.

The bible need not say King x may kill people y, for history to show that it HAS in fact been used this way, as an instrument of power, by mortals.

[Lomas4Life]

And what is more, that the sacred texts have survived the ages not at the hand of any god's will, but as an instrument, a very useful one, used and reproduced by the powerful, like a technology is passed down through the guilds of the artisans.

If I never believe that a god mandated the creation of the bible, then there is no use in "blaming the text" so to say. That of course is ridiculous.

You can only point your finger at the men who've perverted it... what I was trying to point out.

[gisp40]

Its about the ideas it presents. Historian after Historian have reported on the fact that Kings used religion to grant them title to do whatever they want and its ridiculous you would dispute that. The idea of a God itself and absolute truth is used as a template for Kings to corall their people into one mind set devoid of humanity and answerable only to the word of God. This idea of absolute truth gave King's the right to colonize and kill those who don't believe in the same thing. And they did

[madamezora7]

I'll look forward to seeing it- I don't mind shelling out that modest price. I got to see Hitchens debate Frank Turek, and I thought he was truly brilliant. Still, the largely christian audience gave Turek more props, I have to assume it's because they simply have no concept of what "unsupported claim" means.

I'm already mad at Wilson from this clip- exactly how does he plan to substantiate that christianity is "objectively true..."? Clearly he doesn't know what "objective" means. Grrrrr.

[elfred1980]

Turek seemed really angry in that debate... assuming your referring to the one here on youtube.

[madamezora7]

Yeah, that's the one. He was angry, and wrong on most of his "scientific" points as well, but that didn't seem to matter. Most people care more about what's comfortable than what's true.

[thruthem]

Opiate of the sheeple.

[piscesgutt]

cool music

[mattghtpa]

I watched one of these debates.

The result was obvious.

Hitchens whipped Douglas like a rented mule.

The only person I have seen rattle Hitchens in any way was William Craig and that was only because Craig has drank the kool-aide so much that he suffers from complete reality detachment and cannot be reasoned with at all.

[indignant99]

Furthermore, William Lane Craig speaks in a manner that is nearly unintelligible. Fractured grammar, double meanings, logic twisted into moebius strips. It's very difficult to dig out from under tons of his rubble and garbage.

[tebinthehouse]

I never thought it was possible to gangstafy the Hitch.

[micheldvorsky]

Hitch is the Biggie Smalls of public intellectuals.

[hypothetisch]

"Pre-order now!"

yeah I'll think I'll just torrent it but thanks anyway

[paulusmagirl]

lol Just about the only artists (for lack of a better

word right now) that are safe from having their

work found for download on the internet are

authors. I feel sort of bad for the artists though,

they're losing millions and only making millions.

[siyengar9821]

As a rational being, it's quite unusual to have a disagreement with Hitchens on any topic. Wilson, Turek, D'souza, Rabbi Boteach, Rabbi Wolpe, McGrath. Olasky and many others that have debated Hitchens, do not come close to winning in the debates. They may get more applauds but he is mostly debating the religous lot in their territory. Needless to say, Hitchens rules.

[NewtonsStudent]

Wilson is either intellectually dishonest or a complete moron.

[gefan3]

Well, he's definitely not a complete moron.

Intellectually dishonest? Would that he were.

I'm surprised at how often people fail to consider a third option.

He's evil.

He is an unapologetic and gleeful defender of a genocidal ideology (don't take my word for this, look up his statements). He is an enemy of civilization.

I am a great admirer of Hitchens but do not understand how he can maintain good relations with such a person any more than he would with a Nazi or a Stalinist.

[NewtonsStudent]

it is evil to be intellectually dishonest. ; )