"And no God does not fail to accomplish his purposes"
Mormonism teaches that God did fail to accomplish his purpose many times. Even Jesus Christ (according to Mormonism) failed at establishing his church on earth and The Gospel of Jesus Christ was lost in the great apostasy. The premise to Mormonism is that what Jesus Christ (aka God) did was not good enough therefore we need more prophets like Joseph Smith & Thomas Monson to finish the job for God. Mormonism is an insult to God.
@isthechurchtrue LDS teach apostasy. Theres a difference when God gives truth to his children and they fall away or reject it. When widespread rejection and wickedness takes hold over the people and there hearts are so hardened against God and his prophets, God has no choice but to withdraw it until later generations or those his judgements fall upon are humble enough to heed his words. Eg, noahs ark, babylon taking israel captive, destruction of jerusalem, rejection of Christ and his church
"All the changes made to the bom... has been... spelling and grammatical errors as well as... chapters and verses."
You are wrong... In Mosiah 21:28, The name Benjamin was changed to Mosiah in the text because King Benjamin was dead at the time that the Book of Mormon claimed he was still alive. This is just one example of the Book of Mormon text being changed to cover up its errors. The doctrine of the Trinity was edited out once Joseph Smith received a revelation to the contrary.
@isthechurchtrue these changes have been corrected and as Joseph stated in the beginning if there were mistakes that they were the errors of men and not of God.
@isthechurchtrue can you say all other prophets before him were perfect and made no mistakes? No they all were men, entrusted with a Godly mission. Josephs was to restore the gospel in the final dispensation of times
It is sad how Mormons like yourself are superficially moral people. You talk about morality but you don't live it. You claim that all religions are a fraud yet you support the Mormon religion. When the Bishop asks you if you have a testimony of the LDS Church, of Thomas Monson or Joseph Smith being prophets of God, of Jesus Christ being your savior, etc... You lie & say that you do when we both know that you dont. You & Joseph Smith are liars.
Religion is based on a belief, it can be anything or everything, pure or unclean, visible or invisible and most of them if not all religions have a god of some type in them. You should be probably be saying denominations instead of religions when you speak about your unbelief in them.
Here is a list of some similarities between the View of the Hebrews (published before the BoM) & the Book of Mormon.
Indians are descendants of Israelites who spoke Hebrew & lived the Gospel, Restoration of the lost tribes of Israel, quotes widely from Isaiah, found a valley with a great river & many waters, society divided into a civilized & uncivilized group with many wars between them, the uncivilized group exterminates the civilized group, talks about the Urim & Thummim, etc...
@isthechurchtrue this is true as ive since read b.h roberts' similarities upon seeing this for the first time, but you tell me how a young man 21 years of age wrote that book if he didnt translate it like he said? He was a farmboy with minimal education nowhere near the level required to write a book like this. All the changes made to the bom since it was first published has been to do with spelling and grammatical errors as well as splitting it up into chapters and verses.
"but you tell me how a young man 21 years of age wrote that book"
Watch my video Mormonism Exposed - How Joseph created the Book of Mormon.
"All the changes made to the bom... has been... spelling and grammatical errors as well as... chapters and verses."
That is not at all true. The 1830 Edition of the Book of Mormon taught the trinity. Later the first vision story was created with 2 personages, then the doctrine was removed from the Book of Mormon by changing its wording.
He was led by demonic occult influences - hence the antibiblical doctrine and attack on the veracity of the Bible. Read Isaiah 55:11 - GOD does not fail in bringing forth HIS Word to accomplish that which HE pleases. Also, see comments above. Get out of Mormonism and call on the name of Jesus Christ. Not the Mormon jesus - he is another Jesus. Not the Mormon gospel - that is another gospel. Read Gal 1:6-9 and 2 Cor 11:3-4 in the Bible. You're the apostate if you stay in LDS church.
@RPM11111 okay...and you know he was lead by demons? Why then would he 'create' a book to testify to the world that jesus is the christ? Command everyone to repent, teach exact obedience to Gods commandments, point everyone towards celestial glory, etc. And no God does not fail to accomplish his purposes, though you criticise his chosen servants in there weaknesses, what about the mote in your eye? Eph 1:10 same gospel just more given from previous dispensations.
The Christ that Joseph Smith taught was not the correct Christ. Just because you use the name "Christ" does not make you Christian or a follower of Christ. For example if the Anti-Christ came & said he was Christ then the Anti-Christ's followers would be Christians by Mormon thinking. The True Christ is almighty God, sovereign & uncreated. The Mormon Christ was created through Celestial sex by his father which is a greater God than Christ is. There are many more difference.
@isthechurchtrue this is the Christ he taught and the Christ we worship. The living Christ, the risen lord, the word who was with God, God of the old testament, savior of the new, the greatest of all the intelligences, the same who will come again in great glory to redeem the saints who are persecuted for his name, for he is the gate keeper and there is no other way to the father but by him and no other name under heaven whereby man can be saved.
There is undeniable evidence to prove that Indians and Israelites are NOT related - see DNA vs the Book of Mormon. The "quotes from Isaiah" are referred to as "copy". There are many great rivers and waters - a reference to such in a book, does not make the entire faith promulgated by that book true. Most societies are divided into "civilized" and "uncivilized" - it's called "class". Urim & thummim?? See comment about copy above. Joseph Smith etc should be done for Plagiarism.
Again you do not understand what you are claiming. The Book of Mormon is in direct contradiction to the Bible (both Old & New Testaments). The Jews in the BoM did not live the law of Moses & it claims that Nephites were saved by grace before Jesus Christ was even born. The BoM claims that we are saved after all we can do. This is not the grace that the Bible teaches. The Gospel of Jesus Christ was not taught until Jesus Christ came to teach it
@isthechurchtrue in the bom the people had a strong knowledge of christ from there record of the old testament and from their own revelations and understood there would be a savior whos grace and mercy would save them though they kept the law until he came. And the bible does teach grace and works although there are differing interpretations everywhere. The bom shows the gospel was preached by all the prophets until the law of moses was introduced then it was john the baptist who started again
"withstand all their efforts to prove your book false"
If you think that all attempts to prove the Book of Mormon false have been withstood then you are living in a fantasy world. I know that people "believe" it is true but that is not proof that it is. Grant Palmer has shown that the Book of Mormon was written by people from the 1800s not by Nephites around the time of Christ. Have you ever read the 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon? Watch my playlist on the Book of Mormon.
@isthechurchtrue whether those attempts to prove the bom wrong has been accepted as the standard of truth is not confirmed. If so, id like to see where?
But - Another fact is that since religions update themself and evolve with time as we can see here with the book of mormons it is also clear that newer religions tend to me more nice and modern then the older ones. So when you realise that all religions are totally manmade then it makes more sense to choose the newest religions and in that aspect the book of mormons stands better as a book of morality then even Christianity or Islam. Think about it.....
"it makes more sense to choose the newest religions"
To think that a religion is best just because it was created recently is complete non-sense. Also you fail to realize that the new age religions are really a throwback to paganism and ancient beliefs. They are called new to deceive simple minded people.
It seems strange that you would endorse any religion since you believe that all religions are a fraud. Why would you endorse a fraud?
@isthechurchtrue Ok you said many things. Let me answer them in order. Newer religions ARE more peaceful and moral. Read the jewish scriptures who preaches stoning and burning of people. New religions are nicer to fit the time it was made. They imitate pagan religions. They are not them. I think religions are fraud but I do understand they make people feel better and they should choose a more peaceful one if they choose. I think Deism is the most logical world view.
@isthechurchtrue Well if Im right that new religions are always better and more moral. And many of the new age religions tend to go back to Paganism. What does that say about Paganism? :)....Thats a nut you can think about for a while.....
The Dead Sea scrolls does not prove that Mormonism is wrong in fact if you did any studies on how the Bible was translated and what the great and abominable church did to hide much from the churches..and even to say that the churches wont beleive this or they wont beleive that so lets keep this out or that out of the Bible,,and another thing back when the Bible was being translated the great and abominable church would kill people if they didn't beleive in what they was teaching.Do more research
Joseph Smith stated that the texts of the books of the Bible that WERE INCLUDED were changed. For example: Joseph Smith changed the text of Genesis in the King James Bible to correct it. Joseph Smith claimed that he was fixing the errors made by the Great and Abominable Church to the text of Genesis. He published those changes in the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible as a revelation from God. That revelation / translation was proven false by comparing it to the Dead Sea Scrolls.
You are simply trying to distract from the point of the video. You bring up irrelevant information like "The Great and Abominable Church killed people if they didn't believe in what they were teaching" and "How the Bible was translated and what the great and abominable church did to hide much from the churches".
The point is that Joseph Smith's revelation about the corrections (JST) to the King James Bible were proven false by comparing it with the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls.
@isthechurchtrue I've never understood why the LDS church doesn't use the Joseph Smith translation as their official Bible. According to the 8th article of faith the KJV bible cannot be trusted and has been mistranslated. Why not then use the JST? Certainly some of the mistakes would have been corrected by their beloved "prophet" and the end result would have been at least somewhat better. Excellent video. Another arrow in the heart of non-biblical LDS doctrine.
I ask LDS Mormons the same question but I do not get a clear answer. Some of the factors are:
The LDS sect has not had access to the JST until 1944. The LDS publish a portion of the JST in the Pearl of Great Price and call it "Joseph Smith - Matthew". When Joseph Smith died, Emma Smith took the JST and started the RLDS sect. The RLDS canonized the JST and used it instead of the KJV because they own the copyright to the JST. Nowadays the LDS do not have an excuse not to use it.
I do not understand why the LDS Church does not use it either. The LDS Guide to the Scriptures praises the JST by saying "The Joseph Smith Translation has restored some of the plain and precious things that have been lost from the Bible (1 Ne. 13)." The KJV that the LDS use has the same text as any other KJV but is surrounded by their interpretation. The LDS added footnotes, a topical guide, a Bible Dictionary, and a Guide to the Scriptures which explains their doctrinal beliefs.
@isthechurchtrue Thanks for the link to the JST. In Gen. 50 the "prophet" adds verses 24-38 about HIMSELF. He sure likes the phrase "fruit of thy loins". What an idiot. LOL!!! They leave out, however, his brilliant translation of Luke 10:22. ...and no man knoweth that the Son IS the Father, and the Father IS the Son. Very revealing indeed. Thank you for all of your input , it is greatly appreciated.
I wish the LDS would use it so that it would be clear to everyone that they do not believe that the text of the KJV is correct.It could be an attempt to seem like mainstream Christianity to get converts.I found the corrected verses of the JST on lds.org (the link is in the description of the video) yet they don't publish it in print or discuss the changes very much in church.Maybe the LDS want to keep the JST from the public so that it will not be criticized as a false revelation.
The JST is only a small part of the living gospel. Though we dont specifically highlight it in every talk or lesson given in church it does come up when those translated verses are being read/studied. Its printed for all to see and your welcome to read it. Check the differences between Matthew chap 23:39 + chap 24 and the translated JS Matthew version and see whether it helps increase your understanding of the chapter. Do you really believe the bible is perfect though?
"The JST is only a small part of the living gospel."
Is the Joseph Smith Translation the word of God or not?
Also could you please show me at least one verse from the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible, that Joseph Smith changed from the text of the King James Version of the Bible, that is confirmed by the Dead Sea Scroll Manuscripts?
The JST "is incomplete"
I have posted a link from the Maxwell Institute that says the JST was completed by Joseph in 1833 long before his death.
@isthechurchtrue Of course it is I never said it wasnt, there are just thousands of other verses to read as well. And I hope you know thats a request for dead sea scrolls and mormon scholars which I am not. But I can find other evidences like the ones i mentioned which supports our faith is in line with those in the new testament and dead sea scrolls.
"there are just thousands of other verses to read as well"
There isn't any point in examining the verses that are the same in the KJV & JST. Since the JST is the uncorrupted world of God, lets compare those corrected verses in the JST to the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Dead Sea Scrolls have already been translated into English by many different scholars so that is not a problem. Anybody can get a copy of the translations at Barnes and Noble, Boarders, Amazon, etc & compare it with the JST.
Ok, since the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible is the world of God restored through God's prophet Joseph Smith then it should match the ancient manuscripts that have been recently found at Qumran (The Dead Sea Scrolls). The problem for Mormonism is that none of the restored verses in the JST match the Dead Sea Scrolls. Joseph Smith did not restore corrupted parts of the Bible, instead Joseph Smith was the one doing the corrupting. Joseph changed the word of God
Joseph Smith was killed by ruthless people who misunderstood what he was trying to do 'restore missing truths' This was done a little while after he began going through the bible and so is incomplete. The translated verses therefore are not used and were not intended to be our official bible but to complement the KJ bible in highlighting slightly grey areas and picking up parts that were left out. These are now included as footnotes to translated verses in the bibles we use.
@Newmacker Thank you for your thoughtful comments. It seems to me that the LDS is picking and choosing what verses they want from the JST while ignoring others. Do you agree with the JST translation of Luke 10:23? You mentioned that Joseph Smith was killed by a ruthless mob. Did he offer any resistance or did he die as a "lamb led to the slaughter" as he said he would?
@hammerogod He got drunk in jail and shot his own brethren? yeah right...where did you get this rubbish from? And the newspaper was publishing nonsense about him and caused a nuisance to the community so as the Mayor he stepped in and put and end to that work.
@Newmacker reformed Egyptian? Cumorah? Get your own planet and bone all the bitches you want? God came down and had sex with Mary? Lamanites crossed the waters? retard
@alkimst13 how bout you write a book as complicated and comprehensive in testimony of the savior, gospel teachings and doctrines in line with the old and new testaments, another visit from Jesus Christ and his ministry, wars, prophecies, history, descriptions of the land, stories of families and let it include a promise from God that whoever reads it, ponders it and prays about it will receive an answer by the holy ghost that it is the word of God.
@alkimst13 Oh and you must do it in 2 mths and have no more than a couple years basic read/write education. You must also be willing to testify in the name of God that it is true and be willing to die for your testimony, put up with the worlds' scholars scrutinising every little detail of it and withstand all their efforts to prove your book false. Oh, and create a worldwide church, build cities, temples, receive revelations, perform miracles, prophesy, reveal new truths, see God and Jesus...
@Newmacker If you keep up your YT crusade maybe the church will give you a cape and you can be a Mormon superhero? Hell, you might even get your own planet you can fly back and forth to so you can have celestial sex. Mormon is just MORON misspelled.
@Newmacker or you have to put your faith in a confirmed liar such as joseph smith and take his word for everything. reformed egyptian, cumorah, lost tribes sailing to america, blah blah blah. mormonism is the definition of blind faith. zerhemulah, bountiful??? what the fuck chuck??? you have been indoctrinated into the biggest farce yet. defend it all you want. all religions have holes a mile wide in them.. this one has a gaping hole just like the space between your ears.
@alkimst13 The bom in 1 nephi 13 says that in the last days other books will come forth which shall prove christ, the bible, and the bom are true. The dead sea scrolls has hundreds of thousands of documents containing evidences of the lds church's organisation, practices, teachings and doctrines. Dr Devesee a dead sea scroll translator said Parallels in scrolls and Mormon scripture cannot be explained, exact phrases are now being found in the scrolls as recorded in Mormon scripture
@alkimst13 Dr Mollen another DSS translator said ‘You might as well call the people of the scrolls Mormons and be done with it” so mock all you want, his kingdom will roll forward regardless of your pitiful words.
@alkimst13 mocker of lds beliefs it would appear to be??? Get a life! Or contribute meaningful comments instead of coming up with this worthless nonsense I suppose that gaping hole between your ears is filled with
How exactly do those verses in Isaiah teach against mormons? Im sorry, youve put in alot of effort into this message but there is far more evidence in the dead sea scrolls confirming many restored truths revealed by the lord through the prophet joseph smith. Such as writings describing temples, versus about the priesthood, versus about the last days and these are all in line with the old/new testaments as well as the doctrine and covenants revealed through joseph smith.
"Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me"
I would say, without hesitation, that Isaiah directly denies LDS teachings.
@hammerogod yes I know joseph taught that in his king follett discourse. No other prophet has ever spoken so boldly on the mysteries of God than he and is one of the reasons why he was one of the great prophets. The dead sea scrolls talk of the plurality of Godhood. So does the bible Romans 8:17 We are the heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ and if Christ is going to receive of the fulness of God then so shall we according to his grace and mercy.
What the Dead Sea Scrolls tell us about Mormonism is nothing more than the truism that people have been inventing myths for a long time. They'll continue to do so.
@Newmacker
"And no God does not fail to accomplish his purposes"
Mormonism teaches that God did fail to accomplish his purpose many times. Even Jesus Christ (according to Mormonism) failed at establishing his church on earth and The Gospel of Jesus Christ was lost in the great apostasy. The premise to Mormonism is that what Jesus Christ (aka God) did was not good enough therefore we need more prophets like Joseph Smith & Thomas Monson to finish the job for God. Mormonism is an insult to God.
isthechurchtrue 2 weeks ago
@isthechurchtrue LDS teach apostasy. Theres a difference when God gives truth to his children and they fall away or reject it. When widespread rejection and wickedness takes hold over the people and there hearts are so hardened against God and his prophets, God has no choice but to withdraw it until later generations or those his judgements fall upon are humble enough to heed his words. Eg, noahs ark, babylon taking israel captive, destruction of jerusalem, rejection of Christ and his church
Newmacker 2 weeks ago
@Newmacker
"All the changes made to the bom... has been... spelling and grammatical errors as well as... chapters and verses."
You are wrong... In Mosiah 21:28, The name Benjamin was changed to Mosiah in the text because King Benjamin was dead at the time that the Book of Mormon claimed he was still alive. This is just one example of the Book of Mormon text being changed to cover up its errors. The doctrine of the Trinity was edited out once Joseph Smith received a revelation to the contrary.
isthechurchtrue 4 weeks ago
@isthechurchtrue these changes have been corrected and as Joseph stated in the beginning if there were mistakes that they were the errors of men and not of God.
Newmacker 2 weeks ago
@isthechurchtrue can you say all other prophets before him were perfect and made no mistakes? No they all were men, entrusted with a Godly mission. Josephs was to restore the gospel in the final dispensation of times
Newmacker 2 weeks ago
@mnemoniccourier
"All religions are totally fraud!"
It is sad how Mormons like yourself are superficially moral people. You talk about morality but you don't live it. You claim that all religions are a fraud yet you support the Mormon religion. When the Bishop asks you if you have a testimony of the LDS Church, of Thomas Monson or Joseph Smith being prophets of God, of Jesus Christ being your savior, etc... You lie & say that you do when we both know that you dont. You & Joseph Smith are liars.
isthechurchtrue 2 months ago
Religion is based on a belief, it can be anything or everything, pure or unclean, visible or invisible and most of them if not all religions have a god of some type in them. You should be probably be saying denominations instead of religions when you speak about your unbelief in them.
alfredomoreno30 2 months ago
@alfredomoreno30 I do think there is an intelligence behind the creation of the Universe. I didnt talk about God. I talked about religions.
mnemoniccourier 2 months ago
@Newmacker
Here is a list of some similarities between the View of the Hebrews (published before the BoM) & the Book of Mormon.
Indians are descendants of Israelites who spoke Hebrew & lived the Gospel, Restoration of the lost tribes of Israel, quotes widely from Isaiah, found a valley with a great river & many waters, society divided into a civilized & uncivilized group with many wars between them, the uncivilized group exterminates the civilized group, talks about the Urim & Thummim, etc...
isthechurchtrue 3 months ago
@isthechurchtrue this is true as ive since read b.h roberts' similarities upon seeing this for the first time, but you tell me how a young man 21 years of age wrote that book if he didnt translate it like he said? He was a farmboy with minimal education nowhere near the level required to write a book like this. All the changes made to the bom since it was first published has been to do with spelling and grammatical errors as well as splitting it up into chapters and verses.
Newmacker 4 weeks ago
@Newmacker
"but you tell me how a young man 21 years of age wrote that book"
Watch my video Mormonism Exposed - How Joseph created the Book of Mormon.
"All the changes made to the bom... has been... spelling and grammatical errors as well as... chapters and verses."
That is not at all true. The 1830 Edition of the Book of Mormon taught the trinity. Later the first vision story was created with 2 personages, then the doctrine was removed from the Book of Mormon by changing its wording.
isthechurchtrue 4 weeks ago
@Newmacker
He was led by demonic occult influences - hence the antibiblical doctrine and attack on the veracity of the Bible. Read Isaiah 55:11 - GOD does not fail in bringing forth HIS Word to accomplish that which HE pleases. Also, see comments above. Get out of Mormonism and call on the name of Jesus Christ. Not the Mormon jesus - he is another Jesus. Not the Mormon gospel - that is another gospel. Read Gal 1:6-9 and 2 Cor 11:3-4 in the Bible. You're the apostate if you stay in LDS church.
RPM11111 3 weeks ago
@RPM11111 okay...and you know he was lead by demons? Why then would he 'create' a book to testify to the world that jesus is the christ? Command everyone to repent, teach exact obedience to Gods commandments, point everyone towards celestial glory, etc. And no God does not fail to accomplish his purposes, though you criticise his chosen servants in there weaknesses, what about the mote in your eye? Eph 1:10 same gospel just more given from previous dispensations.
Newmacker 3 weeks ago
@Newmacker
The Christ that Joseph Smith taught was not the correct Christ. Just because you use the name "Christ" does not make you Christian or a follower of Christ. For example if the Anti-Christ came & said he was Christ then the Anti-Christ's followers would be Christians by Mormon thinking. The True Christ is almighty God, sovereign & uncreated. The Mormon Christ was created through Celestial sex by his father which is a greater God than Christ is. There are many more difference.
isthechurchtrue 2 weeks ago
@isthechurchtrue this is the Christ he taught and the Christ we worship. The living Christ, the risen lord, the word who was with God, God of the old testament, savior of the new, the greatest of all the intelligences, the same who will come again in great glory to redeem the saints who are persecuted for his name, for he is the gate keeper and there is no other way to the father but by him and no other name under heaven whereby man can be saved.
Newmacker 2 weeks ago
@isthechurchtrue
There is undeniable evidence to prove that Indians and Israelites are NOT related - see DNA vs the Book of Mormon. The "quotes from Isaiah" are referred to as "copy". There are many great rivers and waters - a reference to such in a book, does not make the entire faith promulgated by that book true. Most societies are divided into "civilized" and "uncivilized" - it's called "class". Urim & thummim?? See comment about copy above. Joseph Smith etc should be done for Plagiarism.
RPM11111 3 weeks ago
@Newmacker
"in line with the old and new testaments"
Again you do not understand what you are claiming. The Book of Mormon is in direct contradiction to the Bible (both Old & New Testaments). The Jews in the BoM did not live the law of Moses & it claims that Nephites were saved by grace before Jesus Christ was even born. The BoM claims that we are saved after all we can do. This is not the grace that the Bible teaches. The Gospel of Jesus Christ was not taught until Jesus Christ came to teach it
isthechurchtrue 3 months ago
@isthechurchtrue in the bom the people had a strong knowledge of christ from there record of the old testament and from their own revelations and understood there would be a savior whos grace and mercy would save them though they kept the law until he came. And the bible does teach grace and works although there are differing interpretations everywhere. The bom shows the gospel was preached by all the prophets until the law of moses was introduced then it was john the baptist who started again
Newmacker 4 weeks ago
@Newmacker
"withstand all their efforts to prove your book false"
If you think that all attempts to prove the Book of Mormon false have been withstood then you are living in a fantasy world. I know that people "believe" it is true but that is not proof that it is. Grant Palmer has shown that the Book of Mormon was written by people from the 1800s not by Nephites around the time of Christ. Have you ever read the 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon? Watch my playlist on the Book of Mormon.
isthechurchtrue 3 months ago
@isthechurchtrue whether those attempts to prove the bom wrong has been accepted as the standard of truth is not confirmed. If so, id like to see where?
Newmacker 4 weeks ago
All religions are totally fraud!
But - Another fact is that since religions update themself and evolve with time as we can see here with the book of mormons it is also clear that newer religions tend to me more nice and modern then the older ones. So when you realise that all religions are totally manmade then it makes more sense to choose the newest religions and in that aspect the book of mormons stands better as a book of morality then even Christianity or Islam. Think about it.....
mnemoniccourier 3 months ago
@mnemoniccourier
"it makes more sense to choose the newest religions"
To think that a religion is best just because it was created recently is complete non-sense. Also you fail to realize that the new age religions are really a throwback to paganism and ancient beliefs. They are called new to deceive simple minded people.
It seems strange that you would endorse any religion since you believe that all religions are a fraud. Why would you endorse a fraud?
"Think about it"
Take your own advise.
isthechurchtrue 3 months ago
@isthechurchtrue Ok you said many things. Let me answer them in order. Newer religions ARE more peaceful and moral. Read the jewish scriptures who preaches stoning and burning of people. New religions are nicer to fit the time it was made. They imitate pagan religions. They are not them. I think religions are fraud but I do understand they make people feel better and they should choose a more peaceful one if they choose. I think Deism is the most logical world view.
mnemoniccourier 3 months ago
@isthechurchtrue Well if Im right that new religions are always better and more moral. And many of the new age religions tend to go back to Paganism. What does that say about Paganism? :)....Thats a nut you can think about for a while.....
mnemoniccourier 2 months ago
The Dead Sea scrolls does not prove that Mormonism is wrong in fact if you did any studies on how the Bible was translated and what the great and abominable church did to hide much from the churches..and even to say that the churches wont beleive this or they wont beleive that so lets keep this out or that out of the Bible,,and another thing back when the Bible was being translated the great and abominable church would kill people if they didn't beleive in what they was teaching.Do more research
vorpwa113 5 months ago
@vorpwa113
Joseph Smith stated that the texts of the books of the Bible that WERE INCLUDED were changed. For example: Joseph Smith changed the text of Genesis in the King James Bible to correct it. Joseph Smith claimed that he was fixing the errors made by the Great and Abominable Church to the text of Genesis. He published those changes in the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible as a revelation from God. That revelation / translation was proven false by comparing it to the Dead Sea Scrolls.
isthechurchtrue 5 months ago
@vorpwa113
You are simply trying to distract from the point of the video. You bring up irrelevant information like "The Great and Abominable Church killed people if they didn't believe in what they were teaching" and "How the Bible was translated and what the great and abominable church did to hide much from the churches".
The point is that Joseph Smith's revelation about the corrections (JST) to the King James Bible were proven false by comparing it with the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls.
isthechurchtrue 5 months ago
@isthechurchtrue I've never understood why the LDS church doesn't use the Joseph Smith translation as their official Bible. According to the 8th article of faith the KJV bible cannot be trusted and has been mistranslated. Why not then use the JST? Certainly some of the mistakes would have been corrected by their beloved "prophet" and the end result would have been at least somewhat better. Excellent video. Another arrow in the heart of non-biblical LDS doctrine.
MrNinamarie 5 months ago
@MrNinamarie
I ask LDS Mormons the same question but I do not get a clear answer. Some of the factors are:
The LDS sect has not had access to the JST until 1944. The LDS publish a portion of the JST in the Pearl of Great Price and call it "Joseph Smith - Matthew". When Joseph Smith died, Emma Smith took the JST and started the RLDS sect. The RLDS canonized the JST and used it instead of the KJV because they own the copyright to the JST. Nowadays the LDS do not have an excuse not to use it.
isthechurchtrue 5 months ago
@MrNinamarie
I do not understand why the LDS Church does not use it either. The LDS Guide to the Scriptures praises the JST by saying "The Joseph Smith Translation has restored some of the plain and precious things that have been lost from the Bible (1 Ne. 13)." The KJV that the LDS use has the same text as any other KJV but is surrounded by their interpretation. The LDS added footnotes, a topical guide, a Bible Dictionary, and a Guide to the Scriptures which explains their doctrinal beliefs.
isthechurchtrue 5 months ago
@isthechurchtrue Thanks for the link to the JST. In Gen. 50 the "prophet" adds verses 24-38 about HIMSELF. He sure likes the phrase "fruit of thy loins". What an idiot. LOL!!! They leave out, however, his brilliant translation of Luke 10:22. ...and no man knoweth that the Son IS the Father, and the Father IS the Son. Very revealing indeed. Thank you for all of your input , it is greatly appreciated.
MrNinamarie 5 months ago
@MrNinamarie
I wish the LDS would use it so that it would be clear to everyone that they do not believe that the text of the KJV is correct.It could be an attempt to seem like mainstream Christianity to get converts.I found the corrected verses of the JST on lds.org (the link is in the description of the video) yet they don't publish it in print or discuss the changes very much in church.Maybe the LDS want to keep the JST from the public so that it will not be criticized as a false revelation.
isthechurchtrue 5 months ago
@isthechurchtrue
The JST is only a small part of the living gospel. Though we dont specifically highlight it in every talk or lesson given in church it does come up when those translated verses are being read/studied. Its printed for all to see and your welcome to read it. Check the differences between Matthew chap 23:39 + chap 24 and the translated JS Matthew version and see whether it helps increase your understanding of the chapter. Do you really believe the bible is perfect though?
Newmacker 4 months ago
@Newmacker
"The JST is only a small part of the living gospel."
Is the Joseph Smith Translation the word of God or not?
Also could you please show me at least one verse from the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible, that Joseph Smith changed from the text of the King James Version of the Bible, that is confirmed by the Dead Sea Scroll Manuscripts?
The JST "is incomplete"
I have posted a link from the Maxwell Institute that says the JST was completed by Joseph in 1833 long before his death.
isthechurchtrue 4 months ago
@isthechurchtrue Of course it is I never said it wasnt, there are just thousands of other verses to read as well. And I hope you know thats a request for dead sea scrolls and mormon scholars which I am not. But I can find other evidences like the ones i mentioned which supports our faith is in line with those in the new testament and dead sea scrolls.
Newmacker 3 months ago
@Newmacker
"there are just thousands of other verses to read as well"
There isn't any point in examining the verses that are the same in the KJV & JST. Since the JST is the uncorrupted world of God, lets compare those corrected verses in the JST to the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Dead Sea Scrolls have already been translated into English by many different scholars so that is not a problem. Anybody can get a copy of the translations at Barnes and Noble, Boarders, Amazon, etc & compare it with the JST.
isthechurchtrue 3 months ago
@Newmacker
"Of course it is"
Ok, since the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible is the world of God restored through God's prophet Joseph Smith then it should match the ancient manuscripts that have been recently found at Qumran (The Dead Sea Scrolls). The problem for Mormonism is that none of the restored verses in the JST match the Dead Sea Scrolls. Joseph Smith did not restore corrupted parts of the Bible, instead Joseph Smith was the one doing the corrupting. Joseph changed the word of God
isthechurchtrue 3 months ago
@MrNinamarie
Joseph Smith was killed by ruthless people who misunderstood what he was trying to do 'restore missing truths' This was done a little while after he began going through the bible and so is incomplete. The translated verses therefore are not used and were not intended to be our official bible but to complement the KJ bible in highlighting slightly grey areas and picking up parts that were left out. These are now included as footnotes to translated verses in the bibles we use.
Newmacker 4 months ago
@Newmacker Thank you for your thoughtful comments. It seems to me that the LDS is picking and choosing what verses they want from the JST while ignoring others. Do you agree with the JST translation of Luke 10:23? You mentioned that Joseph Smith was killed by a ruthless mob. Did he offer any resistance or did he die as a "lamb led to the slaughter" as he said he would?
MrNinamarie 4 months ago
@Newmacker
"Joseph Smith was killed by ruthless people who misunderstood what he was trying to do "
They understood exactly what Joseph was trying to do.
Joseph didn't like the criticism aimed at him by a local newspaper.
So he ordered its destruction, trying to stop "Freedom of the Press".
He was arrested, jailed and would have been tried.
He and his brother got drunk in jail and someone smuggled a gun to him.
Joe shot and killed 2 or possibly 3 men and tried to escape and was shot.
True
hammerogod 3 months ago
@hammerogod He got drunk in jail and shot his own brethren? yeah right...where did you get this rubbish from? And the newspaper was publishing nonsense about him and caused a nuisance to the community so as the Mayor he stepped in and put and end to that work.
Newmacker 3 months ago
@Newmacker reformed Egyptian? Cumorah? Get your own planet and bone all the bitches you want? God came down and had sex with Mary? Lamanites crossed the waters? retard
alkimst13 3 months ago
@alkimst13 how bout you write a book as complicated and comprehensive in testimony of the savior, gospel teachings and doctrines in line with the old and new testaments, another visit from Jesus Christ and his ministry, wars, prophecies, history, descriptions of the land, stories of families and let it include a promise from God that whoever reads it, ponders it and prays about it will receive an answer by the holy ghost that it is the word of God.
Newmacker 3 months ago
@alkimst13 Oh and you must do it in 2 mths and have no more than a couple years basic read/write education. You must also be willing to testify in the name of God that it is true and be willing to die for your testimony, put up with the worlds' scholars scrutinising every little detail of it and withstand all their efforts to prove your book false. Oh, and create a worldwide church, build cities, temples, receive revelations, perform miracles, prophesy, reveal new truths, see God and Jesus...
Newmacker 3 months ago
@Newmacker If you keep up your YT crusade maybe the church will give you a cape and you can be a Mormon superhero? Hell, you might even get your own planet you can fly back and forth to so you can have celestial sex. Mormon is just MORON misspelled.
alkimst13 3 months ago
@Newmacker or you have to put your faith in a confirmed liar such as joseph smith and take his word for everything. reformed egyptian, cumorah, lost tribes sailing to america, blah blah blah. mormonism is the definition of blind faith. zerhemulah, bountiful??? what the fuck chuck??? you have been indoctrinated into the biggest farce yet. defend it all you want. all religions have holes a mile wide in them.. this one has a gaping hole just like the space between your ears.
alkimst13 1 month ago
@alkimst13 The bom in 1 nephi 13 says that in the last days other books will come forth which shall prove christ, the bible, and the bom are true. The dead sea scrolls has hundreds of thousands of documents containing evidences of the lds church's organisation, practices, teachings and doctrines. Dr Devesee a dead sea scroll translator said Parallels in scrolls and Mormon scripture cannot be explained, exact phrases are now being found in the scrolls as recorded in Mormon scripture
Newmacker 4 weeks ago
@alkimst13 Dr Mollen another DSS translator said ‘You might as well call the people of the scrolls Mormons and be done with it” so mock all you want, his kingdom will roll forward regardless of your pitiful words.
Newmacker 4 weeks ago
@Newmacker Self appointed crusader for the LDS it would appear to be??? sit around in some pseudo temple garments and peer into your hat all day?
alkimst13 3 weeks ago
@alkimst13 mocker of lds beliefs it would appear to be??? Get a life! Or contribute meaningful comments instead of coming up with this worthless nonsense I suppose that gaping hole between your ears is filled with
Newmacker 3 weeks ago
@isthechurchtrue
How exactly do those verses in Isaiah teach against mormons? Im sorry, youve put in alot of effort into this message but there is far more evidence in the dead sea scrolls confirming many restored truths revealed by the lord through the prophet joseph smith. Such as writings describing temples, versus about the priesthood, versus about the last days and these are all in line with the old/new testaments as well as the doctrine and covenants revealed through joseph smith.
Newmacker 4 months ago
@Newmacker
Mormons claim that God was once a man.
Joseph established that as LDS Doctrine.
It's a "Core" teaching of the LDS.
I can read it to you out of your own book.
However Isaiah says:
Isaiah 43:10
"Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me"
I would say, without hesitation, that Isaiah directly denies LDS teachings.
hammerogod 3 months ago
@hammerogod yes I know joseph taught that in his king follett discourse. No other prophet has ever spoken so boldly on the mysteries of God than he and is one of the reasons why he was one of the great prophets. The dead sea scrolls talk of the plurality of Godhood. So does the bible Romans 8:17 We are the heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ and if Christ is going to receive of the fulness of God then so shall we according to his grace and mercy.
Newmacker 3 months ago
@vorpwa113 santa clause and the easter bunny are real as well as darth vader and clear pepsi
ingersollturok 5 months ago
What the Dead Sea Scrolls tell us about Mormonism is nothing more than the truism that people have been inventing myths for a long time. They'll continue to do so.
andyjunction 5 months ago
This is excellent! Good Job!
MORONIANGELOFLIGHT 5 months ago