Hvorostovsky's techinque differs from Nathan Gunn in the aspect of a more remarkably reserved characterization and a booming Verdian baritone I agree with babbajaga39 that Russian operatic heroes are for baritones and basses.I think it's because the language is gutteral and placed in the deeper larynx. Bravo Dima!!
Russian is not a guttural language. I know it because I am Russian and have trouble pronunciating "guttural" sounds. Arabic, Hebrew, Armenian, Welsh, Dutch, Spanish, German and Afrkikaans have more guttural sounds than Russian
I won't argue with Prokofiev of course, but I think André Bolkonsky should have been a tenor and Pierre Bezukhov the baritone role. Bolkonsky's character and his ill-fated romance with Natasha were more typical of tenor roles and presentations in traditional operas.
it was a trend of the time in changing the typical stereotypes and i think rightfully so because regardless of fach, the mood and tone can be accomplished
in fact in russian operas the stereotype of the hero is always written as a baritone role, and tenor is always a secondt type role. the real russian opera hero is always a baritone, and a tenor role is always secondrate: evil, or intersting but not the most important role. and in fact greatest russian singers were always baritones (not only but mostly), as russian guy mostly have a lower voice, unlike Italy where guys have many times natural tenor voice.
babajaga, it' total bullshit! I see you know nothing about russian opera art . Revew rusian tenors:Leonid Sobinov, Ivan Kozlovsky,Sergey Lemeshev -the greatest one in Eugen Onegin, Nikolay Baskov..
I think there can be more than one amazing baritone. In my opinion, no other baritone comes close to Dmitri, but that's just my opinion. He kills at whatever repitiore he takes on, whether it be Don Giovanni or Yevgeny Onegin he is amazing.
(And he's coming to Berkley in November!!! AAAA! I'm going to go see him LIVE!)
Why can't there be more than one? Each does certain things wonderfully. Hampson's Mahler songs with Bernstein surpass anyone who ever did them (Dieskau included). Hvorostovsky would die in those songs. Just like Hampson does not come close to him in the Russian rep. Both fail when they try to do heavy Verdian roles. Merrill had a monstrous voice. Neither of those guys do. Both lyrics.
You are right: Merrill had a big voice. Merrill was a heavyweight lyric. (if that makes sense to people). Dmitri is a lightweight, but rather dark, lyric. People tend to confuse darkness with heaviness, which are not the same. Hampson is a lightweight lyric, but not dark. He gets into trouble when he tries to darken his voice.
People can say whatever they want about Dimitri . but since the death of Robert Merril who eventhough he retired from singing was still the greatists liveing baritone. I'd say Dimitri now holds the title. For all of the hype around Hampson , he cant't carry Dimitris dirty underware.
I can't find anything interesting in Lucic: he has a good voice, good theatrcla talnts, so what? Boring as hell. Gyimka is a shaman, a magician, whatever he does, he does it by all heart.
is it possible to buy this performance somewhere on dvd ?
eurydike 2 months ago
Hvorostovsky's techinque differs from Nathan Gunn in the aspect of a more remarkably reserved characterization and a booming Verdian baritone I agree with babbajaga39 that Russian operatic heroes are for baritones and basses.I think it's because the language is gutteral and placed in the deeper larynx. Bravo Dima!!
gloria25031 2 years ago
Russian is not a guttural language. I know it because I am Russian and have trouble pronunciating "guttural" sounds. Arabic, Hebrew, Armenian, Welsh, Dutch, Spanish, German and Afrkikaans have more guttural sounds than Russian
Ivorybird09 2 years ago
Russian comes from the front of the mouth. Well, the l sound comes from further back, but otherwise it's not guttural at all in my opinion.
nokturnpianist 2 years ago
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Zeljko Lucic is better then Dmitri.
yes or no experts.
OperaBaritoneJoe 3 years ago
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zeljko lucic makes hvorostovsky look like an amateur
rexeterna 2 years ago
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ArchiducDeBelgrade 2 years ago
There is no comparison, Dmitri was born to perform Bolkonsky.
I'm glad it was written for bariton like it or not.
I feel very lucky to see this War and Piece in Tokyo and NY.
1019q 3 years ago 2
I think I tend to agree with 'Milord' but I still think Dmitri is the greatest baritone alive.
balletnut 3 years ago 4
Is Zeljko Lucic better then Demitri? A real Verdi baritone?
OperaBaritoneJoe 3 years ago
I won't argue with Prokofiev of course, but I think André Bolkonsky should have been a tenor and Pierre Bezukhov the baritone role. Bolkonsky's character and his ill-fated romance with Natasha were more typical of tenor roles and presentations in traditional operas.
Dmitri though is very well-cast. :)
Milordvega 4 years ago
it was a trend of the time in changing the typical stereotypes and i think rightfully so because regardless of fach, the mood and tone can be accomplished
bmatt05 3 years ago
in fact in russian operas the stereotype of the hero is always written as a baritone role, and tenor is always a secondt type role. the real russian opera hero is always a baritone, and a tenor role is always secondrate: evil, or intersting but not the most important role. and in fact greatest russian singers were always baritones (not only but mostly), as russian guy mostly have a lower voice, unlike Italy where guys have many times natural tenor voice.
babajaga39 2 years ago 3
Yes, as in Yevgeny Onegin where the head role is that of baritone while Lensky is sung by tenor. Best Russian voices are indeed the very low ones.
maritess5 2 years ago
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spqrmor 2 years ago
babajaga, it' total bullshit! I see you know nothing about russian opera art . Revew rusian tenors:Leonid Sobinov, Ivan Kozlovsky,Sergey Lemeshev -the greatest one in Eugen Onegin, Nikolay Baskov..
spqrmor 2 years ago
In fact I adore Lemeshev and Kozlovsky also. Baskov is not so great, although I like him too...
babajaga39 2 years ago
Tenorismo: I think Dmitri can aford to change his underware several times before it becomes soiled.
4realrussiansonly 4 years ago
I think there can be more than one amazing baritone. In my opinion, no other baritone comes close to Dmitri, but that's just my opinion. He kills at whatever repitiore he takes on, whether it be Don Giovanni or Yevgeny Onegin he is amazing.
(And he's coming to Berkley in November!!! AAAA! I'm going to go see him LIVE!)
lamezzoenfrancais 4 years ago 12
@lamezzoenfrancais Yuri Mazurock
tenorismo 1 year ago
@lamezzoenfrancais
I like Simon Keenlyside more:-))) (no offence), but I like Hvorostovsky too:-)
eurydike 1 year ago
@eurydike
How about Mariusz Kwiecien?
al10506025 7 months ago
@al10506025 not bad, but i like Hvorostovsky and Keenlyside much more. I think Alexey Markov is good. and Andrey Bondarenko.
eurydike 2 months ago
Why can't there be more than one? Each does certain things wonderfully. Hampson's Mahler songs with Bernstein surpass anyone who ever did them (Dieskau included). Hvorostovsky would die in those songs. Just like Hampson does not come close to him in the Russian rep. Both fail when they try to do heavy Verdian roles. Merrill had a monstrous voice. Neither of those guys do. Both lyrics.
Toreadorssong 4 years ago
You are right: Merrill had a big voice. Merrill was a heavyweight lyric. (if that makes sense to people). Dmitri is a lightweight, but rather dark, lyric. People tend to confuse darkness with heaviness, which are not the same. Hampson is a lightweight lyric, but not dark. He gets into trouble when he tries to darken his voice.
Shipskeel 3 years ago 2
People can say whatever they want about Dimitri . but since the death of Robert Merril who eventhough he retired from singing was still the greatists liveing baritone. I'd say Dimitri now holds the title. For all of the hype around Hampson , he cant't carry Dimitris dirty underware.
tenorismo 4 years ago
would you not say that Zeljko Lucic is better
OperaBaritoneJoe 3 years ago
I can't find anything interesting in Lucic: he has a good voice, good theatrcla talnts, so what? Boring as hell. Gyimka is a shaman, a magician, whatever he does, he does it by all heart.
babajaga39 2 years ago 5