Glenn Beck Watch - April 5th, 2010 - Net Neutrality

[baddogonline]

Comcast now owns MSNBC: say by to Matthews, Maddow, and Olbermann!

[DangoTeff]

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[SuperSmashDolls]

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[DangoTeff]

@SuperSmashDolls LIBERTARIAN... CONSERVATIVE!

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[DangoTeff]

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[SuperSmashDolls]

@justindanielwhitaker Sadly, you need a permit first.

[Blit67]

Dude.. One last thing... You have many options in the ISP market. There at least three satellite providers. No net neutrality ever...anytime...period...for any reason. And net neutrality in Beck's context IS the Fed. bill on the table and nothing else. He wasn't talking about some obscure concept...he was talking about a bad restricting bill. Who are you anyway? Are you out of hs yet? Give me a break.

[Blit67]

It won't be "popular" to dislike Beck much longer, if that was even true at all to begin with.

[Blit67]

It still blows me away to see and listen to the painful stupidity of people who actually watch Beck and not get it. The vast majority of the people who don't like Beck have never listened, listened very little or just listen to the out of context edited sound bites the media puts out. Thank God for Beck...and you sir...are an idiot.

[SuperSmashDolls]

@Blit67 I'd be less angry at Beck if he didn't misrepresent pro-NN movements by constantly citing Free Press as an example of the movement, even though there are plenty of other groups calling for it that don't have an easily scapegoatable Marxist on their editorial staff. If it was a simple case if "I don't agree with NN because I think you shouldn't do it through the government" then I would have not made this video.

[Smullet90]

I have not really studied Net Neutrality, so i won't argue with you there. But I Would like to understand how an expansion of government (redistribution of wealth) could possibly be aligned with the libertarians or Christians. Both groups believe you should give to others less well-off out of charity, not through some government program. I liked the video, had some funny stuff, just didn't agree with everything. I don't think you have a full understanding of where Glenn Beck is coming from.

[SuperSmashDolls]

@Smullet90 Christian churches may not be supportive of or even criticize government-sponsored social justice, but they do call for some form of SJ. Note how almost every church either implies or outright states that rich have a moral duty to help those less fortunate. While they probably wouldn't be happy with an authoritarian socialist state (which is what Glenn Beck constantly refers to, even when talking about anarchists) I feel they do share some of the same (positive) implications.

[Smullet90]

@SuperSmashDolls

Agreed. Although I think glenn beck is all for the rich giving to the poor. And of course I still think that calling it social justice is a bit wrong when regarding the church. Charity just seems more fitting.

Anyways, Glenn Beck is surprisingly solid, which is often overlooked because he is overly dramatic and a bit emotional. All i'd say is don't fall into the mold of disliking Glenn Beck just because hating him is popular. You seem to smart for that anyways.

[Smullet90]

I believe what Glenn (and most people for that matter) are speaking of when they mention Social Justice is a redistribution of wealth. This is a pretty central theme in the common understood definition of Social Justice.

Social Justice is not giving to the poor out of your own free will, it's more like Robin Hood (the gov.) taking from who they deem to be well off (Bourgeoisie) to those they deem worse off (Proletariat). Problem is they've tried it before, and it has NEVER worked. (cont.)

[lpseymour]

Have you read the Internet bill proposed by Liebermann? Your rant had good theoretical points, but you need to learn to understand reality.

And BTW, the guy who crashed that plane was from the left...pay better attention, my friend.

Oh, and find "Social Justice" in the bible, genius. These kind of posts make me sad, honestly...uninformed and intellectually challenged.

[SuperSmashDolls]

@lpseymour I'm not in support of any Net Neutrality bill especially the Joe Lieberman "Kill Switch" bill. I'm against trying to smear organizations calling for Net Neutrality. For example, the EFF wants Net Neutrality but they don't want it to be a regulatory concern for obvious reasons. GB doesn't even mention this. I mean, he can insult Free Press if they do something wrong, but he shouldn't make everyone who wants Net Neutrality out to be an anti-freedom socialist.

[SuperSmashDolls]

@lpseymour Also, the term "Social Justice" isn't in the bible for obvious reasons. Still, much of the content of the new testament as well as the actions of many Christian religions - including and ESPECIALLY Mormons - is pointed towards charitable action and working to help the poor.

My point is that while "Social Justice" has been used by political organizations to support things which are quite noticeably bad, by trying to make it into a religious issue GB just makes himself look crazy.

[littlezina]

Well done young man, well done!!!

[jacobryanball10]

I have yet to encounter any of th current problems stated. Could someone give me an example so I can get a better idea of what they are talking about?? (for the record I understand what we are saying the problem is, but i personally haven't experienced this problem. So my current opinion is if it isn't broke don't fix it. But if someone could give me an example of a site that suffers slower speeds cause of there not being a net neutrality bill, my mind would change

[Meralzhe]

Social Justice has a different meaning than what you used here. Also, if you're not going to use quotes or back up almost anything you say, then your words have less strength than Glenn Beck, who has at least one thing (admitted by you.) that backs him up on his attack os Social Justice. The people who want communism, are the people who make it not work.

[SuperSmashDolls]

@Meralzhe When most people hear the word 'social justice', they assume a different set of meanings then GB assumes. Most people think it means things like helping the poor. GB thinks it's a codeword for government takeover. (Sometimes he's right.) To attack the word itself is hypocritical, since his own religion talks about social justice. Not everyone who calls for it is a Nazi or a Commie. And his inappropriate use of the word socialism is also a problem I will explain in another video.

[Meralzhe]

Ooooh thanks for the courteous reply! I usually get cusses no matter what I say ^^ The word has american meaning, and Glenn is probably just confused like most people are, but he does say America is the most charitable nation, so maybe he thinks Social Justice is a certain kind of charity. The most social justice nations (Not American social justice.) Have slaves, complete government control, and stuff like that. Socialism was defined by Marx, and is a marxist ideal.

[SuperSmashDolls]

@Meralzhe He's most likely complaining about political movements that abuse the concept of charity to refer to all sorts of statist tyrranies. But GB doesn't state that. He just says 'social justice is evil, if your church talks about it, leave'.

Also, Socialism as a term existed before Marx, and in fact there are socialist groups that absolutely hate Marx, like anarcho-socialists. So to tie in Marx and a broader political movement is disingenuous at best. Regardless, Obama is not a socialist.

[CalebJEly]

Glenn is very libertarian, and he always supports free markets and less regulation. He also talks down the Republican Party, more than any Conservative commentator I have ever heard. The reason Glenn doesn't like Ron Paul is because he believes he is weak on national security, which is important when you believe the main role of federal government is to protect this nation, and are freedoms. Glenn loves Paul's fiscal conservatism. He is so much better on radio than on TV.

[SuperSmashDolls]

@CalebJEly Glenn is also a raving lunatic who uses the term 'marxist' and 'socialist' so much that they become meaningless. Marxist and socialist are *words*, with *meanings*. Meanings of which do not line up with the current ideology of the government, which can be broadly described as anti-market capitalist authoritarianism.

Also, if Glenn thinks Paul is weak on national security, why did he do a show where he pretty much regurgitated every anti-war policy Paul's ever said?

[Meralzhe]

Marxism applies to socialism, and socialism applies to the agenda of this current administration. Only a blind person without arms and legs, out in the ocean for thirteen years screaming for help would think socialized medichine isn't socialism. And government take over of the economy? that's socialism as well. To use these words is to correctly define what these government officals are doing. What word do you use to define total domination?

[CalebJEly]

So we fix the possible problems created by government generated monopolies (marxism) with more government regulation(marxism). How about we eliminate "franchise agreements" instead of growing government control even more. Glenn isn't saying that there isn't any way for neutrality to become a problem. He is saying that if it ever did it would be because government got in the way of the free market. AKA: Franchise agreements and regulations.

[CalebJEly]

I think you are spot on about what the situation is, I just think you are wrong about the solution. Regulations are never ever for the short term (even if they say they are). Net Neutrality gets the foot in the door for the FCC and politicians. It will become the fairness Doctrine or state run media. Only a free market can produce the best unbiased press, if that is what the people demand.

[SuperSmashDolls]

@CalebJEly Also, the FCC has had their foot in the door for decades, ever since FDR created the FCC. So far the current system has been used primarily to engage in monopoly-granting and protectionism. Net neutrality, while I don't think it's the best way to fix the problems, isn't a marxist plot to control the media. And Free Press isn't the only group calling for it. What about the EFF? They support it, and they rail heavily against government (and private) intrusions into our privacy.

[SuperSmashDolls]

@CalebJEly There is no marxism in the government. Marxism is a specific ideological position which no government official supports. They are largely anti-market capitalists.

"How about we eliminate "franchise agreements" instead of growing government control even more."

That's great. Go do that. I'm serious. That would be the best solution. But, until you do that, we can at least keep private companies from abusing the government power the FCC has handed them. Will it succeed? I don't know.

[CalebJEly]

@SuperSmashDolls You are right, words do have meaning. The word Socialist, in essence, describes someone who believes that the distribution of goods and services should be controlled by a centralized governmenment that plans and controls the economy (as apposed to the private setor). Merriam and Webster seem to agree with me on that. So how can you say no public official is one. Uh hello OBAMACARE. Glenn isnt accusing anyone of being a closet socialist. He says look at their history.

[MutantKush]

Libertarians ftw just subbed. Ron Paul 2012

[dashawnthl]

good job dude, big thumbs up.

[SuperSmashDolls]

@dashawnthl And a big vote up to you too.

[TheWheeliesmurf]

Before you say that Beck is against Internet Freedom, you may want to watch the PBS 2 part video on Net Neutrality that is available here on you tube. I would also caution you to ask your self this simple question, if you support an unfiltered internet, then why would we need to put it through the government regulation process? It is currently a completely free and unfiltered format, so people do your research and beware of what sounds simple there may be more to it than you think!!!

[SuperSmashDolls]

@TheWheeliesmurf I manually unspammed your comment. I don't get why you were flagged as spam.

While the internet currently is unfiltered and unregulated, it may be the case in the future that some ISP decides to lock down the internet. In a free market, this wouldn't fly. But, thanks to franchise agreements with the government, there is no free market in internet service, so we can't assume that the free market will save our Internet from, say, Cablevision blocking Vonage or MagicJack.

[TransfatylvaniaFilms]

My hat is off to you, sir. Glenn Beck should be put to sleep!

[SuperSmashDolls]

@TransfatylvaniaFilms Watch out, he'll red-bait you.

[Pv8man]

Sir, thank you for knowing your shit about Net Neutrality.

I am so sick of hearing dumbwitted politicians trying to tell people how the internet works, when they are as dumb as a bag of bricks when it comes to technology.

all that Net Neutrality does is basically re-enforce the Telecommunications act of 1996.

which are basically the founding rules of the internet that made the net what it is today, which means that ALL traffic gets equal treatment.

[SuperSmashDolls]

@Pv8man Pretty much.

Also, some district court recently ruled that the FCC has no business making net neutrality regulations. If so, can we at least get some restrictions on franchise agreements?

Glenn Beck obviously doesn't use the Internet, hence, he doesn't seem to understand the arguments for a net neutrality principle. Which doesn't matter for him. He's a neo-John Bircher - his entire scheme is to red-bait as many people as possible. EVERYONE IS COMMUNIST LOLOL

[fringeelements]

That sounds very nice. But you're passing a bill through congress... saying that congress can impose controls on the internet. You DON'T know what the actual bill is going to say, you don't know how the judges will interpret it, and you don't know if the FCC oversteps the bill and starts censoring you don't know if anyone will stop them.

So why don't we wait until these big bad corporations actually do start throttling bandwith before we run to the lions for safety.

[Pv8man]

@fringeelements

Agreed, it is possible that both sides of the fence will pretend to be for net neutrality and then interpret it completely different.

Sometimes they will just create a bill and name it something like the "internet freedom act" and it contains anti-neutrality regulations just like john mccains bill.

The FCC is controlled by ISP's, despite the fact that the FCC is supposed to oversee ISPs just to make sure they are not violating the telcom act of 96. which they already are.

[SuperSmashDolls]

@Pv8man That's honestly what I'm afraid of. For example, most net neutrality provisions specifically allow copyright filters, something I'm against.

[Pv8man]

@fringeelements

Said by "fringeelements " So why don't we wait until these big bad corporations actually do start throttling bandwith before we run to the lions for safety.

They already have been disrupting p2p networks like Bit torrent, comcast lied about it to the FCC and then admitted it but defended the practices as "reasonable network management"

They are already doing some very questionable things, google "nebu ad" and you will know what im referring to.

also read dslreports(dot)com

[SuperSmashDolls]

@fringeelements I honestly think that most of the support in the FCC for net neutrality is mostly to get control over the internet so that they can implement copyright filters. Their broadcast flag provisions got shot down by the Supreme Court and getting Congress to widen the rules on the FCC to allow Net Neutrality might also allow them to enforce the broadcast flag again.

That being said, NN is still not a communist plot to shut up Glenn Beck or Fox News.