Consistency, if you can do that, then your method paid off. Just hit the target. The outcome differs based on how the steps to hitting the target are changed, and memorized.
As a Wing Chun practitioner (present) and a Kyokushin Black Belt (past). It makes me a little sad to see how some chinese martial arts have failed to evolve in these past years. But it's to be expected when going up against the 'Worlds Strongest Karate.' As bother a Kung Fu practitioner and past Karateka I still enjoy this greatly and frankly the outcome was to be expected.
@renumeratedfrog No offense dude, but Kung Fu is not for show. Most of its circular movements look like show off to an untrained eye but in reality they help to generate enough energy to kick ten asses.
Just as a reminder for my fellow.kyokushin karate guys karate came form kung fu styles such as bajiquan and was simply mixed with the natvie okinawan martial art shotokan.and kyokushin karate are japanese styles were as goju ryu wich was the origanal is okinawan along with shorin ryu so don't diss kung fu however this drunken guys in this video are shit
if you look at history wushu was more realistic in the past their swords were also alot thicker and stronger you can tell its become alot more flashy and watered down in recent years with wasted movement and those weak floppy swords
Are you kidding me ?! Is that Kung-Fu ?!!! The "drunken dance" is absolutely awful and the second guy (in blue) is just lame. Karate guys are not that bad but come on, this is no "VS", this is "ass kicking". If at least they took people with the "same" level...
me refiero a que ahora en dia gracias a peliculas, y las luchas de vale todo y todo esto se ha creado en la mente de quien comienza una mentalidad de sentirse que es lo mejor, cuando lo mejor es en si todo el arte marcial, sea cual sea, lo malo son las asociaciones y federaciones que algunas no todas lucran con la gente incluso algunas venden cintas negras aunque no sepan patear o ponerse en postura basica
In my opinion, this is Kyokushin Propaganda. If they did Kung fu rules aswell it could possibly be a different story. I still think kyokushin would have done awesome in kung fu rules also
Im a student of kyokushin so im not saying this out of disgust, its cool to see none the less :P
@Dibbsan I don't know about his experience with Drunken Boxing, might be four years, might be a single Jackie Chan movie, but the guy doing it clearly doesn't understand the point of a surprise attack, he's doing it like a kata and showing the Kyokushin student the extent of his flexibility and balance. Daft in anybody's language. I've encountered people who've done a style for seven years and don't understand the bunkai of their katas. Having said that, you might still be right.
I don't understand this video. There's no attempt to fight from the part of the kung fu fighters. Plus the Kyokushin fighers are only using leg techniques. I don't know what set of rules they are using, but it's confusing.
@avanara these style vs style videos are silly. They arent meant to be understood on an intellectual level. The message is clear "Kyokushin beats all". They put fights under Kyokushin rule, fight guys with no real fighting experience, label them some wierd looking martial art, beat them, and claim they are superior. the kung fu style being used in this video is drunken fists. though i know next to nothing about this style, surely it doesnt prohibit hitting to the face-hence drunken BOXING.
I agree with you this is silly indeed. Martial Arts can't be compared. The set of rules always benefits one of the styles. That is why the most "all around" styles that are closer to that set of rules seems to take advantage. Though I gotta give it to the expert Kyokushin fighters that show amaizing skills, there is no supreme art or system. I know some basic Hapkido white belt grapple techniques that would easily counter anything that was used in this video by the Kyukushin fighters.
It really isn't fair to just call this kung fu, if you specify the karate style you should DEFINITELY specify the kung fu style as there are hundreds which are all very different. Put the Kyokushin guys against sanshou or wing chun fighters for example who are more used to contact sparring and it would be a more interesting match up
These two drunken kung-fu ''fighters'' are hopeless...to me it's sad to watch how style can become superior than actual fight. The result is pathetic, as seen in this video.
dude the kung fu dude doesnt know wat he is doin! he prolly is like first year kung fu vs black belt this does not represent kung fu get real masters to fight shit
@SuperBluepurple Interesting that. I wonder if Oyama studied with the founders of TKD under Shoto. I'm not entirely cluey on the whole shotokan timeline, but I'm a kyokushin student. So it does interest me. Funny enough my club is probably the closest TKD has ever come to a real claim on a kyokushin club, my sensei holds a shodan in that style also. But he is karate to the bone.
@SuperBluepurple I'm not sure about that, I think TKD goes back further than Shoto Fanakai(Probably spelled that wrong)...but Kyokushin is derived from Shotokan too.
@SuperBluepurple My bad. It's just that the TKD federation recently attempted to make Kyokushin theirs while saying outrageous things like Kyokushin Karate is their martial arts because Mas Oyama is Korean.
Ok, that is sooo not drunken style karate, In drunken style there is a lot more qiuck movements ,and most of the time they're attacking from the ground , and when someone is attacking you from a low stand point , the harder it is to hit them.
@Djcrazykidd Did you ever learn drunken boxing before? I was mainly taught using tackles, head butts, and elbows for majority of the strikes. Basically, a close range combat and a quick kick and punches mainly to the weak points for mid and long range. I remember another Chinese martial arts style that mainly fights from the ground but I don't remember drunken boxing being like that.
@Djcrazykidd "Tried to"? It doesn't sound like you did then. People that actually took up any style would say they "tried it" or at least for how long. So, where did you get your information then? I'm just curious.
PS: It's drunken "boxing" and not drunken style "Karate". Karate is Japanese and drunken boxing is a Chinese martial art.
@Djcrazykidd Weird, but it might just be your friend or the way you explained it. Drunken boxing has explosive kicks and punches but they use a lot of tackles and you slip in headbutts and elbows like you slip it in. I don't know what rule you sparred with your friend under but if it's in the US then I've never heard of a gym that purely teaches drunken boxing only. Does he take some type of Kung Fu? Did he tell you that he'll be sparring you in drunken boxing style? Just curious.
@cruelgrotequeblood Hey drunken kung fu is pretty distinctive , you can pretty much tell if someone is trying it on you , but I was using Kyokushin methods the whole time,btw have u partaken into any martial arts
@Djcrazykidd Yes I have and I mentioned that I've done drunken boxing before on my first reply. I've also taken up Muay Thai, MMA, and Karate. But only a total of 5 years altogether. What's yours? And can you explain to me how this guy was "attacking from the ground"?
@cruelgrotequeblood Drunken boxing usually doesn't teach groundwork in the same way as brazillian jujitsu for example, their groundwork is usally an offensive and surprising way of getting up after pretending to fall on their ass or trip over their feet. I'm actually getting tutor lessons on just that aspect, being able to control the fall and be first back to your feet is great for a Kyokushin fighter.
@cruelgrotequeblood I guess my interpretation was different to yours, by attacking from the ground I thought he meant their whole assortment of ways to get back to their feet. Oh and the movie Jackie Chan used Drunken Fist first was called Drunken Master, he also did one called Master with Cracked Fingers, but I think that was a year or so later. And Forbidden Temple, I really liked that one.
@cruelgrotequeblood Kyokushin,tangsoodo,WINGCHUN,TDK. You ask a lot of questions my friend, theres that one move that jackie did when he was on the ground in drunken master forgot what it was called maybe you can help, anyways thats what he did
@Djcrazykidd Well, I just asked couple of questions just to make sure of certain things. And I'm not sure if I can help because the only thing you've said was that your friend attacked from the ground and that's it and I've never watched that movie you mentioned. But if it's an attack from the ground, even shaolin and Kung Fu has moves like that. And just like drunken boxing, they mainly attack from the stand-up position.
I love the versatility of Kyokushin. And I admire the Japanese men for their flexibility.
The move the Kung Fu guy does at 2:06 seems dangerous. You see it coming from a mile away because it happens so slowly, an a good fighter will pick up on the fact that the guy won't be able to move quickly once he's committed to "fall" to that side. He's practically giving his head to his opponent by leaning it down and not having a great guard.
This is very interesting. I like both styles; However, i think the flowery elements of the drunken style's body mechanics is in excess. The Martial Artist seems to conserve and pick shots with speed, power and precision.
kyokushin > Kung-Fu. Honestly, the kung fu guys are moving all over the place, looking like retards with that drunken stuff, while the kyokushin guys are moving as much, picking their targets carefully, and still knocking them down.
@13Blaster31 I think the problem here was that the Kung Fu guys were not competitors of fighting but demonstration. And this was just a sparring where both goes with 50% power and not a competition.
@s1i2a3n4g5 The face kicks the Kyokushinkai landed were certainly not fake, so why would the rest be? Like in every MA, there are different schools and styles.
Bruce Lee had it right all along! So ahead of his time,Jeet Kune Do aka Mixed Martial arts.The prevalent style in all cage fighting today! They all attribute what Bruce Lee did as the reason mma is what it is today ! Out with the old traditional nonsense,as Bruce Lee said,and on to relevant well rounded effective fighting techniques.What a true master he was!
As you can see Kyokushin grew much bigger than Jeet Kune Do and Oyama is a bigger character of MMA. Thanks to him and his influence from Bismarck and the idea that different arts should compete we have K1 today. He also spread it as much as he could when he visited USA. Oyama would beat Bruce Lee any day Im sorry to say.
Mr. Oyama Sosai(1923-1994) did study Shotokan karate under Mr. Funakoshi OSensei and he also trained in Goju Ryu under Mr.Yamaguchi Sensei. That is why Kyokushin Karate has a blind of Shuri Te and Naha Te kata. General Choi Hong Hi founded Tae Kwon Do in 1955 so movies like "Fighting In The Wind" are to be watched just for fun, like a Bruce Lee movie.Mr. Oyama was born in what is today S. Korea but Japan had taken control of all Korea(1910-1945) so he was a citizan of the Japanese Empire.
@xxsorinxx, yes mas oyama is korean but none have found evidence he studied tkd. At 9 he studied with a chinese master, after moving to japan mas oyama studied shotokan and then goju-ryu prior to founding kyokushin.
for some reason...i can't really believe that this is real. i mean...chinese guys go on an all japanese show and fights like that and gets wooped each fight.... the japanese do exaggerate a lot......where were the chinese spectators?? looks like japanese martial arts propaganda to me..... im just saying. wat do u guys think??
@tranglomango You really don't know much about Kyokushin or Akira Masuda if you think Masuda's dojo would dress up their own students to perpetrate fraud. This is a very serious claim you are making about integrity of Shihan Masuda and Kyokushin as a whole. Perhaps you could point to some evidence to support your assertions that this is fraud. Please just one link even. Any proof to back up your claims would be appreciated. OSU
The first guy is using Drunken Boxing, a theatrical brand of Kung Fu popularized by Jackie Chan. Second guy does... ? no idea but about just as effective it seems.
kyokushin karate, and all other forms of 'Japanese' weaponless fighting, except Sumo, came from kong fu..or didn't you know? Mas Oyama founder of Kyokushin karate and Gichin Funakoshi founder of Shotokan karate, both of them say in their biographies that they developed their techniques from Chinese kong fu. Both of them are forms of Southern White Crane kong fu. Some of the forms came directly from White Crane kong fu. Check it out for yourself.
taaadas, you are missing my point. Saying kung fu is useless, and any style karate is beast sport ( I assume that means its better) is like saying geometry is useless, but trigonometry is beast science. You don't sound like you have actually studied either kung fu or karate. You seem to have only your opinions; but no real experience. Oh well, anyone, even a non-practitioner can voice an opinion. To each his own.
Oyama never practiced Tae Kwon Do. Oyama arrived in Japan at 13 with only minimal southern Chinese Kempo training and no training in Tae Kyon (Tae Kwon Do did not exist at this time). Yes Oyama was Korean, but his martial arts were Japanese. There is an attempt by the Korean Tae Kwon Do fraternity to claim Kyokushin as theirs now that Oyama is dead and cannot refute these lies. This is very disrespectful and absolute bullshit. My Shihans knew Oyama personally. Perhaps you should check again.
@aldridge1 Well, there's interview of Oyama stating how much he loved and respected Japan. Couple of original shameless TKD gym actually teaches fake history and some other BS. I wouldn't be surprised even if TKD, which originated from Kyokushin tried to claim Kyokushin theirs. And the creator of TKD isn't even a close disciple of Oyama. It's an obvious lie that anybody in any country could find out.
Just watched again and paid attention. The Chugokukempo was done by a Japanese guy. The sensei is also Japanese. That either explains why the guy sucked, or why he didn't try to fight. The Kyokushin sensei came off as a pompous ass, as most sensei do now. Bullshido stunts like this are done to increase membership at Kyokushin dojos who are losing students (and their income) to fighting styles with real-world applications. kyokushin isn't worth a shit in a street fight with a competent opponent.
u say it isnt worth anything in a street fight?u stated below that you did not study it so how do you know if it isnt worth "shit" as you say? i doubt that you could kick the crap out of most people who study traditional styles as well. and if the sensei was cocky, then that is because of HIM NOT the style. im thinking if you actually set foot in a dojo and studied it a little, your opinions/narrow mindedness would broaden a great deal
I understand your reaction to my message, I should have been more clear. I don't study any of them now, I have studied in the past. I've spent 1/3 of my life in Asia, mostly Japan, but also China and Thailand. My conclusion is I can whip the shit out of most martial artists (ie karate, kung fu and the like, and we don't even need to mention aikido). What scares me are the advanced judo, grappling, wrestling opponents.
I'm not writing, "oh watch out for me, I'm the baddest guy in town." Far from it, no desire to beat anyone up, or get beat up, I'm just saying most martial arts are BS and were only effective because people thought they were effective, when in reality they're not. I said most martial arts, not all. I think they're all great to study from a historical point of view, we certainly don't want to lose them as they are apart of a country's culture.
ok this is much understandble, from your previous comment it had made you sound conceited or cocky, i understand your view but u have to understand also that modern martial arts are not the same as they were hundreds of years ago, when your life depended on it too. i do agree though, a lot of people tht i have seen study martial arts misuse and abuse them, they get their asses handed to them in a fight, but afew are very honorable and actually possess humility. no hard feelings!
the kung fu man is very impressive! i used to see men to be ko with one kyokushin's kick but this guy recieves many kicks in his head but seems to have nothing!
Depends on the person more than the fighting style. On average I think a Chinese martial artist could kick the crap out of a Japanese artist. Has nothing to do with the fighting style, it's just Chinese guys tend to be stronger and much more flexible and quick. Japanese guys tend to be stockier, slower and linear. I practice neither and I think I could kick the crap out of most people who study "traditional" martial arts. Judo/jujitsu scares me though!
And you gathered that info from where? You will never see a Chinese person superior to a Japanese person in anything on Japanese TV. Not going to happen.
I heard it on a martial arts forum. Obviously I have no way of knowing if it's true or not, but the notion that the Chinese guys were told to hold back in this case is retarded. You might be right in saying that the show was biased towards the Japanese, but only because the Japanse guys were full-contact fighters and the Chinese guys train martial arts by pretending to be drunk.
The KungFoo guy is probably fake(or he just sucks) but kyokushin is a Good hard hiting contact sport, and I think that all styles are equal it just depends who's fighting(like a kyokushin white belt probably wont beat a kungfoo master.)
not so fake, there's a kungfu variety called drunk monkey or master... this sux man, the only kung fu which is worthy to stand in front of other martial arts is the Tiger Claw
Dude! I know what the kung fu styles are. It is called Drunken Monk o Drunken Master, but this guy is obviously Not a Kung Fu Fighter. Search for other videos and comparte by youselves.
No, It is not a Real Kung Fu Fighter, if you know something about it you can notice, an ignorant person may get confused, but not me. If you affirm this is a real KF fighter maybe you should investigate a lil more.
I don't believe in one style being better, except traditional vs modern. You can keep your horse stance while I kick you in the leg :) Just because Karate came from okinawa doesn't mean the okinawan version is better, the thing about styles is they need to update with the times. Traditional Kung Fu works, but only against the guys that practice kung fu, even Muay thai updated with the times, they added western boxing to it and it became a dominate style.
FAKE VIDEO. A japanese clown wearing some chinese clothes. stand in front of karate guy and do his job for the camera. No chinese Kung Fu fighter in the video. Not the Kung Fu salutation. Not Kung Fu moves. Stop discriminating Kung Fu.
The guy in black is in another video on youtube and he fights the same guy, gets hit in the same places, and the japanese people say the same things EXCEPT the guy in black wears a different sash the whole time. Im starting to wonder if it is video edited.
it's called drunking monkey it's a style of kung fu i know it looks silly but trust me nothing silly when u get hit with the thunder palm technique or with the drunk sweep
LoMei LoMei! Hahaha!! Funny!! Yes, any Ah Chu Ah Kau could tell these fellas are pretending as Kungfu practitioners to make Karate superior. The 1st drunken fighter looks very Japanese and look like he's Karate student from his stiff movement. The other 2 are probably migrants. Karate has lots of weakness n loops that you could easiy take em.
Just search for Kungfu vs Karate or Sanda vs Karate on utube will find the source. From what I know, Japs & Koreans placed their ego sky high that they'll do anything for pride. THe 3 jokers in this clip don't have any kungfu element at all just copy few moves from Jackie Chan's Drunken Fist pretend as Kungfu fighters. Check out actual drunken fist movement on youtube, you'll see the much difference
The only source I found was as you said, Sanda vs Kyokushin. Sanda resembles Kyokushin/Muay Thai -far- more than traditional Kung Fu. It's too different a style.I Again, its far from traditional Kung-Fu and favors the IKF (look it up). That said, looking up "drunken fist" unveiled three things,
Too bad I'm not with Drunken Fist class. Else, I could explain better. Only thing is these traditional Kungfu don't reveal much to others and never participated in tournament. Most Kungfu match today involved only Chinese kickboxing as set by Wushu association. Never display actual kungfu & I hate the gloves being used that disallow us to use thumbs to control hand movement. Traditional Kungfu spent 1 year to perfect basic b4 allowed to learn pattern then 3rd year -how to fight.
Oh, and not to mention, you talk about head punching etc...Your kata/waza/form videos? Hate to tell you, but you're dropping your hands for just about every technique in the book. Its not a fatal flaw for Kyokushin if you yourself don't have the finesse of a boxer when it comes to taking headshots.
Btw, Kyokushin can and will allow -protected- sparring for headshots, we only remove them for competition/bare knuckle fights..its what we do.
Once in the match, the fear will automatically raised 1 of my hands to protect my head. I prefer having 1 forward hand to curl my opponent. About the 3 yr training, that's under Traditional Martial Art and they trained 100% closed door. I'm in commercialised wushu, just train like normal TKD & Karate
He might be a "paid actor", because that's all drunken kung fu is. Acting. It is not Kyokushin's moral problem for allowing a spar with this person. Back in the good ol' days it was acceptable to question any style by issuing a challenge. Now a days someone comes to a dojo practicing "hollywood kung fu 2" and gets whooped, ...you call bogus on the art that proved him wrong?
I can give you or your more open-minded classmates techniques on how to take down kyokushin fighter effectively as long as allow punching to the head, grappling and less rules.
"I can train you on how to take down Kyokushin fighters"
Too bad, because I'm a Kyokushin fighter. And a Judo/Kendo player. Not to mention I do sword work from time to time in MJER and TKR, I can say without doubt you're full of shit. 3rd year "how to fight"?
Funny, started 1st day as a Judoka and 4th practice as Karetaka, full contact fighting. You really don't impress me.
Just what I learnt with friends from Kyokushin. Just need good sidestep/dodge, attack him from side near his rear. They take longer time to maneuver due to too stiff. They could do just 1 to 2 movement at a time. Perhaps you could do more?
your friends are terrible Kyokushin reps. Angle attacking is mandatory for good Kumite. I have no problem making 2-4 combo and kick/sweeps, let alone mixing for takedowns and submissions, given the latter doesn't come from Kyokushin. I take pride in myself but am I no means the best representive at what I do, which furthers my point.
They are great fighters and still deadly towards other Sanda fighters. Say, when you give opponent a sidekick, how fast can you react if opponent slip to your back curl around you then his leg step on your back leg and launch a punch to your head. I go tactical thanks to American war tactics & engineering books. You unlike others, smart enough to figure out that traditional martial art never seen fighting with other arts
Really? Do I seem worked up? It was a simple question. Just wanted to make sure you based your opinion on varifiable fact and not just ignorant assumption of what you want to believe. But no, the best you can do is call me an idiot. You must have very good 'EYES'. I could not see the money changing hands or hear a verbal agreement of same. Damn my 'EYES', they fail me again -_-..... And yeah if you knew anything about Kyokushin you would know those guys were going at about 10%.
Thats because he never got a chance to hit him, he was trying to throw the karate guy off with his awkward fighting style but it wasn't working, the karate guy him him anyways. Drunken style is supposed to look like that, its just not practical against anything other than other gung fu practicioners.
Yes, because only REAL chinese fighters can do Kung Fu. I wouldn't discriminate Kung Fu, as Sanshou is actually pretty practical (compared to other forms anyways) Most other Kung fu styles are a bit impractical, but only because most traditional styles fail to improve over time, they just keep the same moves and never evolve..
I disagree about traditional styles. I think there is not good exponents because it takes much time in life to do it fine. It's no the same TKD 3 days a weak, you get the kickings skills, get black belt in 6 years. Cool, Black Belt. In Kung Fu there is no limit, so we don't use belts, the SIFU (Master) knows everyone's level of skillness. And although if you are right there nos reason to Post this video as Kung Fu, when that clown is not a Kung Fu fighter. You got it?????
Actually, if your talking TKD where the hell did you come up with 6 years for a black belt, you know all you have to do is shell out the big bucks and they practically give it to you. Same goes for some other styles too, though. Your right, this guy is a japanese man who doesn't know kung fu, he just volunteered to let Karate black belts kick him in the head for the fun of it, makes sense right? I can tell that if he had won you would have said "KUNG FU OWNS KARATE!"
Dude! There is NOT video of Tournament or Championship where Karate beat Kung Fu. This is a "home film" inside the Karate School in japan. I can do the same in my school and post it, and when you see you can say: "KUNG FU OWNS KARATE!" If you read the history of Karate you will find that okinawan people learned from Kung Fu Styles, from chinese travelers that went to japan. Can you say that what they learned from Shaolin is better than all the shaolin knowledge? Absurd! Is not the same training.
Um, there actually IS footage of tournaments and championships where karate beat kung fu, especially Kyokushin as Kyokushin is a mixture of Shotokan, Goju-ryu, and some other things that Mas Oyama mixed in with it, such as kicking with the shins found in Muay thai. Kung fu has a good style SanShou but like Karate, most of its more traditional forms are more art than practical fighting.
Consistency, if you can do that, then your method paid off. Just hit the target. The outcome differs based on how the steps to hitting the target are changed, and memorized.
Also, Snake style? pPPPPPPPPPP XD
MEGAXSTU 3 weeks ago
As a Wing Chun practitioner (present) and a Kyokushin Black Belt (past). It makes me a little sad to see how some chinese martial arts have failed to evolve in these past years. But it's to be expected when going up against the 'Worlds Strongest Karate.' As bother a Kung Fu practitioner and past Karateka I still enjoy this greatly and frankly the outcome was to be expected.
TheTaoofJKD 3 weeks ago
The guy thought he was Jackie Chan :P
MrDon275 3 weeks ago
the subtitles at the beginning say "historical tournament: kyokushin karate vs Chinese kempo; 3 on 3 sparring"
shimmeringreflection 2 months ago
That's fuckin embarrassing
RonBonzai 4 months ago
Face it... Kung fu is mostly for show...
renumeratedfrog 5 months ago
@renumeratedfrog No offense dude, but Kung Fu is not for show. Most of its circular movements look like show off to an untrained eye but in reality they help to generate enough energy to kick ten asses.
NEVER UNDERESTIMATE ANY MARTIAL ART.
P.S.
I am a Karateka
jasvinder04 4 months ago
drunkin style moves like a fucking shit style
tumbs up if you agree
faust8571 5 months ago
drunkin style moves like a fucking shit style
faust8571 5 months ago
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hotpopcorncake 5 months ago
HAHAHAHAH omg this video is awesome. stoopid asians
Lightning972 5 months ago
man drunken fist can take a hit i'll give him that. but he cant dish them out at all
anonymous549 6 months ago
personally the first kung fu thing was suckish its called drunken boxing
tavor29 7 months ago
Just as a reminder for my fellow.kyokushin karate guys karate came form kung fu styles such as bajiquan and was simply mixed with the natvie okinawan martial art shotokan.and kyokushin karate are japanese styles were as goju ryu wich was the origanal is okinawan along with shorin ryu so don't diss kung fu however this drunken guys in this video are shit
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zulu789456 7 months ago
if you look at history wushu was more realistic in the past their swords were also alot thicker and stronger you can tell its become alot more flashy and watered down in recent years with wasted movement and those weak floppy swords
l3054 7 months ago
fuck drunken kung fu
dembuontinhle 8 months ago
the shihan in there, its Akira Masuda isn't it? and the guy in orange is from the show called Nanda
FaridYM 8 months ago
really? Even the pretend stuff in a Jackie Chan movie is better than the way that guy fought
phishfoood 8 months ago
I practice Wudang Kung fu and I tell you.. IT'S NOT ANYTHING LIKE THIS! You don't fight someone with Drunken Style...that's only for demonstration.
WudangTeohari 8 months ago
the kung fu guys are making too many unnecessary moves
DuskfallBand 8 months ago
Are you kidding me ?! Is that Kung-Fu ?!!! The "drunken dance" is absolutely awful and the second guy (in blue) is just lame. Karate guys are not that bad but come on, this is no "VS", this is "ass kicking". If at least they took people with the "same" level...
6Pagan6hate6 8 months ago
me refiero a que ahora en dia gracias a peliculas, y las luchas de vale todo y todo esto se ha creado en la mente de quien comienza una mentalidad de sentirse que es lo mejor, cuando lo mejor es en si todo el arte marcial, sea cual sea, lo malo son las asociaciones y federaciones que algunas no todas lucran con la gente incluso algunas venden cintas negras aunque no sepan patear o ponerse en postura basica
shihengtao 9 months ago
Reality Vs Kung Fu
UltraAltruistism 9 months ago
Is this drunken-style kung fu?
j4allen 9 months ago
Kyokushin rulez! ahha
flipettino 9 months ago
@flipettino I'll say this though, the second kung fu guy took to those kicks much better than the first guy.
deek77 9 months ago
is the master, shihan akira masuda?
FaridYM 10 months ago
In my opinion, this is Kyokushin Propaganda. If they did Kung fu rules aswell it could possibly be a different story. I still think kyokushin would have done awesome in kung fu rules also
Im a student of kyokushin so im not saying this out of disgust, its cool to see none the less :P
Osu
Dibbsan 10 months ago
@Dibbsan I don't know about his experience with Drunken Boxing, might be four years, might be a single Jackie Chan movie, but the guy doing it clearly doesn't understand the point of a surprise attack, he's doing it like a kata and showing the Kyokushin student the extent of his flexibility and balance. Daft in anybody's language. I've encountered people who've done a style for seven years and don't understand the bunkai of their katas. Having said that, you might still be right.
psychedashell 10 months ago
sometimes i wish i was asian
mrhenk007 11 months ago
@mrhenk007 I wish you were ALL times!
AmericanPowerBase 11 months ago
@AmericanPowerBase
what?...
mrhenk007 11 months ago
I don't understand this video. There's no attempt to fight from the part of the kung fu fighters. Plus the Kyokushin fighers are only using leg techniques. I don't know what set of rules they are using, but it's confusing.
avanara 11 months ago
@avanara It's called FAKE! (this is why Earthquakes happen to good people)
AmericanPowerBase 11 months ago
@avanara these style vs style videos are silly. They arent meant to be understood on an intellectual level. The message is clear "Kyokushin beats all". They put fights under Kyokushin rule, fight guys with no real fighting experience, label them some wierd looking martial art, beat them, and claim they are superior. the kung fu style being used in this video is drunken fists. though i know next to nothing about this style, surely it doesnt prohibit hitting to the face-hence drunken BOXING.
ikcjjtt 10 months ago
@ikcjjtt
I agree with you this is silly indeed. Martial Arts can't be compared. The set of rules always benefits one of the styles. That is why the most "all around" styles that are closer to that set of rules seems to take advantage. Though I gotta give it to the expert Kyokushin fighters that show amaizing skills, there is no supreme art or system. I know some basic Hapkido white belt grapple techniques that would easily counter anything that was used in this video by the Kyukushin fighters.
avanara 10 months ago
It really isn't fair to just call this kung fu, if you specify the karate style you should DEFINITELY specify the kung fu style as there are hundreds which are all very different. Put the Kyokushin guys against sanshou or wing chun fighters for example who are more used to contact sparring and it would be a more interesting match up
jjjaaaccckkk 11 months ago
These two drunken kung-fu ''fighters'' are hopeless...to me it's sad to watch how style can become superior than actual fight. The result is pathetic, as seen in this video.
formlessmind1 11 months ago
dude the kung fu dude doesnt know wat he is doin! he prolly is like first year kung fu vs black belt this does not represent kung fu get real masters to fight shit
TheMikeviet 1 year ago
this is the drunken boxing kung fu, not that shoalin kung fu...
aznqazwsx 1 year ago
kung fu looks like a monkey who is fighting
milad015 1 year ago
The girl is cute lol
MarrickFait 1 year ago
Very embarrassing to Kung Fu..
officerbman024 1 year ago
At 2:31 the girl in white seated on the floor is so beautiful!!!!
Lemev 1 year ago
@SuperBluepurple Interesting that. I wonder if Oyama studied with the founders of TKD under Shoto. I'm not entirely cluey on the whole shotokan timeline, but I'm a kyokushin student. So it does interest me. Funny enough my club is probably the closest TKD has ever come to a real claim on a kyokushin club, my sensei holds a shodan in that style also. But he is karate to the bone.
psychedashell 1 year ago
Anybody know who the bloke in the orange shirt is? He seems to be pretty important to the camera man
psychedashell 1 year ago
@SuperBluepurple I'm not sure about that, I think TKD goes back further than Shoto Fanakai(Probably spelled that wrong)...but Kyokushin is derived from Shotokan too.
psychedashell 1 year ago
@SuperBluepurple My bad. It's just that the TKD federation recently attempted to make Kyokushin theirs while saying outrageous things like Kyokushin Karate is their martial arts because Mas Oyama is Korean.
cruelgrotequeblood 1 year ago
Mas Oyama Studied Kung Fu to begin with , then had his 4th Dan in Karate by age 17 ,..later he studied Judo and in 4 yrs also had his 4th Dan.
akribela 1 year ago
....kick. his. legs.
allshallbelosttoyou 1 year ago
Drunken is such a joke... I practice kung fu and i think sanda or shaolin would have won
TheAndrekks 1 year ago
drunken fist O.O
maximaster007 1 year ago
Ok, that is sooo not drunken style karate, In drunken style there is a lot more qiuck movements ,and most of the time they're attacking from the ground , and when someone is attacking you from a low stand point , the harder it is to hit them.
Djcrazykidd 1 year ago
@Djcrazykidd Did you ever learn drunken boxing before? I was mainly taught using tackles, head butts, and elbows for majority of the strikes. Basically, a close range combat and a quick kick and punches mainly to the weak points for mid and long range. I remember another Chinese martial arts style that mainly fights from the ground but I don't remember drunken boxing being like that.
cruelgrotequeblood 1 year ago
@cruelgrotequeblood Tried to ,it wasn't for me
Djcrazykidd 1 year ago
@Djcrazykidd "Tried to"? It doesn't sound like you did then. People that actually took up any style would say they "tried it" or at least for how long. So, where did you get your information then? I'm just curious.
PS: It's drunken "boxing" and not drunken style "Karate". Karate is Japanese and drunken boxing is a Chinese martial art.
cruelgrotequeblood 1 year ago
@cruelgrotequeblood Sparred A couple of friends who were really into it , thats where I get my info bro,no bullshit
Djcrazykidd 1 year ago
@Djcrazykidd Weird, but it might just be your friend or the way you explained it. Drunken boxing has explosive kicks and punches but they use a lot of tackles and you slip in headbutts and elbows like you slip it in. I don't know what rule you sparred with your friend under but if it's in the US then I've never heard of a gym that purely teaches drunken boxing only. Does he take some type of Kung Fu? Did he tell you that he'll be sparring you in drunken boxing style? Just curious.
cruelgrotequeblood 1 year ago
@cruelgrotequeblood Hey drunken kung fu is pretty distinctive , you can pretty much tell if someone is trying it on you , but I was using Kyokushin methods the whole time,btw have u partaken into any martial arts
Djcrazykidd 1 year ago
@Djcrazykidd Yes I have and I mentioned that I've done drunken boxing before on my first reply. I've also taken up Muay Thai, MMA, and Karate. But only a total of 5 years altogether. What's yours? And can you explain to me how this guy was "attacking from the ground"?
cruelgrotequeblood 1 year ago
@cruelgrotequeblood Drunken boxing usually doesn't teach groundwork in the same way as brazillian jujitsu for example, their groundwork is usally an offensive and surprising way of getting up after pretending to fall on their ass or trip over their feet. I'm actually getting tutor lessons on just that aspect, being able to control the fall and be first back to your feet is great for a Kyokushin fighter.
psychedashell 1 year ago
@psychedashell Yes I know, but the other guy said "most of the time they're attacking from the ground". And that's what I was criticizing on.
cruelgrotequeblood 1 year ago
@cruelgrotequeblood I guess my interpretation was different to yours, by attacking from the ground I thought he meant their whole assortment of ways to get back to their feet. Oh and the movie Jackie Chan used Drunken Fist first was called Drunken Master, he also did one called Master with Cracked Fingers, but I think that was a year or so later. And Forbidden Temple, I really liked that one.
psychedashell 1 year ago
@cruelgrotequeblood Kyokushin,tangsoodo,WINGCHUN,TDK. You ask a lot of questions my friend, theres that one move that jackie did when he was on the ground in drunken master forgot what it was called maybe you can help, anyways thats what he did
Djcrazykidd 1 year ago
@Djcrazykidd Well, I just asked couple of questions just to make sure of certain things. And I'm not sure if I can help because the only thing you've said was that your friend attacked from the ground and that's it and I've never watched that movie you mentioned. But if it's an attack from the ground, even shaolin and Kung Fu has moves like that. And just like drunken boxing, they mainly attack from the stand-up position.
cruelgrotequeblood 1 year ago
the guy in black is a shame on every kung fu fighter..
speedyone1980 1 year ago
I love the versatility of Kyokushin. And I admire the Japanese men for their flexibility.
The move the Kung Fu guy does at 2:06 seems dangerous. You see it coming from a mile away because it happens so slowly, an a good fighter will pick up on the fact that the guy won't be able to move quickly once he's committed to "fall" to that side. He's practically giving his head to his opponent by leaning it down and not having a great guard.
H0useMouse 1 year ago
monkeys, not kung-fu fighters
hardc0reuser 1 year ago
This is very interesting. I like both styles; However, i think the flowery elements of the drunken style's body mechanics is in excess. The Martial Artist seems to conserve and pick shots with speed, power and precision.
YouthFist76 1 year ago
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letyran62 1 year ago
Can anyone translate what they are saying?
hec182001 1 year ago
kyokushin > Kung-Fu. Honestly, the kung fu guys are moving all over the place, looking like retards with that drunken stuff, while the kyokushin guys are moving as much, picking their targets carefully, and still knocking them down.
13Blaster31 1 year ago
@13Blaster31
it's just a demonstration that shows whether the style of 'drunken kung fu "can beat a karate practitioner with real kick, learn Japanese
letyran62 1 year ago
@13Blaster31 I think the problem here was that the Kung Fu guys were not competitors of fighting but demonstration. And this was just a sparring where both goes with 50% power and not a competition.
cruelgrotequeblood 1 year ago
you can't use drunken fist strate up like that, espesuly aganst a marshal artest, its more of a more then one guy kind of form
Zooypo123 1 year ago
the true chinese kong fu will not fight like that dont idiot this is fake
s1i2a3n4g5 1 year ago
@s1i2a3n4g5 The face kicks the Kyokushinkai landed were certainly not fake, so why would the rest be? Like in every MA, there are different schools and styles.
H0useMouse 1 year ago
Bruce Lee had it right all along! So ahead of his time,Jeet Kune Do aka Mixed Martial arts.The prevalent style in all cage fighting today! They all attribute what Bruce Lee did as the reason mma is what it is today ! Out with the old traditional nonsense,as Bruce Lee said,and on to relevant well rounded effective fighting techniques.What a true master he was!
dylanacious 1 year ago
@dylanacious
As you can see Kyokushin grew much bigger than Jeet Kune Do and Oyama is a bigger character of MMA. Thanks to him and his influence from Bismarck and the idea that different arts should compete we have K1 today. He also spread it as much as he could when he visited USA. Oyama would beat Bruce Lee any day Im sorry to say.
Flyingtart 1 year ago
@Flyingtart I Didn't say anything about Bruce Lee being unbeatable.I'm just saying what a pioneer he was.
dylanacious 1 year ago
Mr. Oyama Sosai(1923-1994) did study Shotokan karate under Mr. Funakoshi OSensei and he also trained in Goju Ryu under Mr.Yamaguchi Sensei. That is why Kyokushin Karate has a blind of Shuri Te and Naha Te kata. General Choi Hong Hi founded Tae Kwon Do in 1955 so movies like "Fighting In The Wind" are to be watched just for fun, like a Bruce Lee movie.Mr. Oyama was born in what is today S. Korea but Japan had taken control of all Korea(1910-1945) so he was a citizan of the Japanese Empire.
Osu
1banryukyu 1 year ago
Cute girl at 2:31 :D
aa3gunner 1 year ago
ROFL this is fucking jokes the karate guy is like "wtf is this guy doing?"
le2key 1 year ago
mabe drunken kung fu is good for other drunks.
yearofthehorse2049 1 year ago
.......... drunken kung-fu. IS that even a REAL kung fu for fighting?
lastcow 1 year ago
and those who did kung fu was good but after the first blow did nothing but the athlete was better kyokousin
however good the style of drunken
mirko2824 1 year ago
estos japoneses y sus montajes...
Tooshin 1 year ago
@SuperBluepurple well I had, sorry
tranglomango 1 year ago
I had
tranglomango 1 year ago
@xxsorinxx, yes mas oyama is korean but none have found evidence he studied tkd. At 9 he studied with a chinese master, after moving to japan mas oyama studied shotokan and then goju-ryu prior to founding kyokushin.
mumbatik 1 year ago
すばらしいビデオ。 ビデオをアップロードするためにありがとう。
mumbatik 1 year ago
Why aren't the kyokushinai using their hands more?
0xVx0 1 year ago
que kung-fu o carai, queria ver se fosse BJJ.
albertoyeh 1 year ago
@albertoyeh BJJ é merda, volta pro suor da pixa do teu mestre boiola, sempre enroscado com homens filho de puta brazileiro da merda
tranglomango 1 year ago
It doesn't seem that the kung-fu guys were taking it too seriously.
NismoJoeB13 1 year ago
for some reason...i can't really believe that this is real. i mean...chinese guys go on an all japanese show and fights like that and gets wooped each fight.... the japanese do exaggerate a lot......where were the chinese spectators?? looks like japanese martial arts propaganda to me..... im just saying. wat do u guys think??
crazy4japan 2 years ago
in fact tgis is fake, they're all kyokushin karate ka's some are pretending they r kung fu fighter's
tranglomango 1 year ago
@tranglomango You really don't know much about Kyokushin or Akira Masuda if you think Masuda's dojo would dress up their own students to perpetrate fraud. This is a very serious claim you are making about integrity of Shihan Masuda and Kyokushin as a whole. Perhaps you could point to some evidence to support your assertions that this is fraud. Please just one link even. Any proof to back up your claims would be appreciated. OSU
aldridge1 1 year ago
@crazy4japan I agree with u
tranglomango 1 year ago
kung fu boys got abit of thumping
fuckthesnitch 2 years ago
The first guy is using Drunken Boxing, a theatrical brand of Kung Fu popularized by Jackie Chan. Second guy does... ? no idea but about just as effective it seems.
ProMarshmallo 2 years ago
Why so many useless spins from the Kung fu guy, exposing his back with no sense? Plus, he doesn't attack at all...
vockla 2 years ago 3
kung fu often come like a demonstration, but karate usually fight real sparring.
Picxxt 2 years ago 13
wushu got owned again
ImNotAGod0 2 years ago 2
its fkin uncomparable things : Kyokushin karate is one of the most brutal arts ... and kong fu - its just a dance... lol'd
taaadas 2 years ago
kyokushin karate, and all other forms of 'Japanese' weaponless fighting, except Sumo, came from kong fu..or didn't you know? Mas Oyama founder of Kyokushin karate and Gichin Funakoshi founder of Shotokan karate, both of them say in their biographies that they developed their techniques from Chinese kong fu. Both of them are forms of Southern White Crane kong fu. Some of the forms came directly from White Crane kong fu. Check it out for yourself.
trounds2 2 years ago 2
@trounds2 you are missing my point. The point is that kong fu is useless, and kyokushin is beast sport.
taaadas 2 years ago 3
taaadas, you are missing my point. Saying kung fu is useless, and any style karate is beast sport ( I assume that means its better) is like saying geometry is useless, but trigonometry is beast science. You don't sound like you have actually studied either kung fu or karate. You seem to have only your opinions; but no real experience. Oh well, anyone, even a non-practitioner can voice an opinion. To each his own.
trounds2 2 years ago
@trounds2 Mas Oyama was korean and he practiced taekwondo, check again ;)
XXsorinXX 2 years ago
Oyama never practiced Tae Kwon Do. Oyama arrived in Japan at 13 with only minimal southern Chinese Kempo training and no training in Tae Kyon (Tae Kwon Do did not exist at this time). Yes Oyama was Korean, but his martial arts were Japanese. There is an attempt by the Korean Tae Kwon Do fraternity to claim Kyokushin as theirs now that Oyama is dead and cannot refute these lies. This is very disrespectful and absolute bullshit. My Shihans knew Oyama personally. Perhaps you should check again.
aldridge1 2 years ago 27
@aldridge1 Wow,..I did not know that.
SongDoKwan 1 year ago
What an interesting video
DAGBEAVER1995 1 year ago
@aldridge1 Well, there's interview of Oyama stating how much he loved and respected Japan. Couple of original shameless TKD gym actually teaches fake history and some other BS. I wouldn't be surprised even if TKD, which originated from Kyokushin tried to claim Kyokushin theirs. And the creator of TKD isn't even a close disciple of Oyama. It's an obvious lie that anybody in any country could find out.
cruelgrotequeblood 1 year ago
@aldridge1
To add:
Mas Oyama social values was that of Japanese. Even name his art Japanese.
1NX9 1 year ago
pls don't masturbate urself lol'd
minustar 2 years ago
Just watched again and paid attention. The Chugokukempo was done by a Japanese guy. The sensei is also Japanese. That either explains why the guy sucked, or why he didn't try to fight. The Kyokushin sensei came off as a pompous ass, as most sensei do now. Bullshido stunts like this are done to increase membership at Kyokushin dojos who are losing students (and their income) to fighting styles with real-world applications. kyokushin isn't worth a shit in a street fight with a competent opponent.
LuckyDeviI 2 years ago
u say it isnt worth anything in a street fight?u stated below that you did not study it so how do you know if it isnt worth "shit" as you say? i doubt that you could kick the crap out of most people who study traditional styles as well. and if the sensei was cocky, then that is because of HIM NOT the style. im thinking if you actually set foot in a dojo and studied it a little, your opinions/narrow mindedness would broaden a great deal
koreamixguy08 2 years ago
I understand your reaction to my message, I should have been more clear. I don't study any of them now, I have studied in the past. I've spent 1/3 of my life in Asia, mostly Japan, but also China and Thailand. My conclusion is I can whip the shit out of most martial artists (ie karate, kung fu and the like, and we don't even need to mention aikido). What scares me are the advanced judo, grappling, wrestling opponents.
LuckyDeviI 2 years ago
I'm not writing, "oh watch out for me, I'm the baddest guy in town." Far from it, no desire to beat anyone up, or get beat up, I'm just saying most martial arts are BS and were only effective because people thought they were effective, when in reality they're not. I said most martial arts, not all. I think they're all great to study from a historical point of view, we certainly don't want to lose them as they are apart of a country's culture.
LuckyDeviI 2 years ago
ok this is much understandble, from your previous comment it had made you sound conceited or cocky, i understand your view but u have to understand also that modern martial arts are not the same as they were hundreds of years ago, when your life depended on it too. i do agree though, a lot of people tht i have seen study martial arts misuse and abuse them, they get their asses handed to them in a fight, but afew are very honorable and actually possess humility. no hard feelings!
koreamixguy08 2 years ago
the kung fu man is very impressive! i used to see men to be ko with one kyokushin's kick but this guy recieves many kicks in his head but seems to have nothing!
(sorry for my english)
metamorphysique 2 years ago
Like most things on Japanese TV, it's one sided. Obviously the Chinese guy was warned not to kick the guys ass.
LuckyDeviI 2 years ago
@LuckyDeviI You seriously think drunken fist would beat Kyokushinkai?
Falx92 2 years ago 2
Depends on the person more than the fighting style. On average I think a Chinese martial artist could kick the crap out of a Japanese artist. Has nothing to do with the fighting style, it's just Chinese guys tend to be stronger and much more flexible and quick. Japanese guys tend to be stockier, slower and linear. I practice neither and I think I could kick the crap out of most people who study "traditional" martial arts. Judo/jujitsu scares me though!
LuckyDeviI 2 years ago
Actually, the Kyokushin guys were told to go easy. Their coach was pissed off afterwards.
Theyellowma 2 years ago
And you gathered that info from where? You will never see a Chinese person superior to a Japanese person in anything on Japanese TV. Not going to happen.
LuckyDeviI 2 years ago
I heard it on a martial arts forum. Obviously I have no way of knowing if it's true or not, but the notion that the Chinese guys were told to hold back in this case is retarded. You might be right in saying that the show was biased towards the Japanese, but only because the Japanse guys were full-contact fighters and the Chinese guys train martial arts by pretending to be drunk.
Theyellowma 2 years ago
The KungFoo guy is probably fake(or he just sucks) but kyokushin is a Good hard hiting contact sport, and I think that all styles are equal it just depends who's fighting(like a kyokushin white belt probably wont beat a kungfoo master.)
AFRODUDE1925 2 years ago
not so fake, there's a kungfu variety called drunk monkey or master... this sux man, the only kung fu which is worthy to stand in front of other martial arts is the Tiger Claw
mystisaac 2 years ago
Dude! I know what the kung fu styles are. It is called Drunken Monk o Drunken Master, but this guy is obviously Not a Kung Fu Fighter. Search for other videos and comparte by youselves.
robertvoice 2 years ago
Upload real videos, so. Not this fake circus.
robertvoice 2 years ago
this isnt karate vs kunfo this is kyokoshin sv kunf foo your all just jelous because kyokoshin karate is much better
cybersaber101 2 years ago
No, It is not a Real Kung Fu Fighter, if you know something about it you can notice, an ignorant person may get confused, but not me. If you affirm this is a real KF fighter maybe you should investigate a lil more.
robertvoice 2 years ago
This is not a Real Kung Fu Fighter. Period. That is my point. Is a fake fight.
robertvoice 2 years ago
I don't believe in one style being better, except traditional vs modern. You can keep your horse stance while I kick you in the leg :) Just because Karate came from okinawa doesn't mean the okinawan version is better, the thing about styles is they need to update with the times. Traditional Kung Fu works, but only against the guys that practice kung fu, even Muay thai updated with the times, they added western boxing to it and it became a dominate style.
CelticWarriorIX 2 years ago
FAKE VIDEO. A japanese clown wearing some chinese clothes. stand in front of karate guy and do his job for the camera. No chinese Kung Fu fighter in the video. Not the Kung Fu salutation. Not Kung Fu moves. Stop discriminating Kung Fu.
robertvoice 2 years ago
practitioners*
CelticWarriorIX 2 years ago
what was it? black belt against pink belt? what the hell's a pink belt ha ha ha in this case its the looser...
bighazy 2 years ago
The guy in black is in another video on youtube and he fights the same guy, gets hit in the same places, and the japanese people say the same things EXCEPT the guy in black wears a different sash the whole time. Im starting to wonder if it is video edited.
flapplewapple 2 years ago
this aint kungfu Just a bunch Of japs Making fun Of the arts.
Lamarent 2 years ago
it's called drunking monkey it's a style of kung fu i know it looks silly but trust me nothing silly when u get hit with the thunder palm technique or with the drunk sweep
warhogbeast 2 years ago
Kyokushin is better than kung-fu ! kyo is full-contact :) ! kyokushin rocks , and kung-fu sucks !
doareu57 2 years ago
This is so rigged.. clearly the kung fu guys were paid off to 'show' how strong karate is compared to kung fu.. pretty stupid and pointless...
NeiLoMei 2 years ago
LoMei LoMei! Hahaha!! Funny!! Yes, any Ah Chu Ah Kau could tell these fellas are pretending as Kungfu practitioners to make Karate superior. The 1st drunken fighter looks very Japanese and look like he's Karate student from his stiff movement. The other 2 are probably migrants. Karate has lots of weakness n loops that you could easiy take em.
taekarkung 2 years ago
If Kyokushin is so easily beaten, please provide a legitimate source in comparison of Kung Fu beating Kyokushin.
MrShinryuken 2 years ago
Just search for Kungfu vs Karate or Sanda vs Karate on utube will find the source. From what I know, Japs & Koreans placed their ego sky high that they'll do anything for pride. THe 3 jokers in this clip don't have any kungfu element at all just copy few moves from Jackie Chan's Drunken Fist pretend as Kungfu fighters. Check out actual drunken fist movement on youtube, you'll see the much difference
taekarkung 2 years ago
The only source I found was as you said, Sanda vs Kyokushin. Sanda resembles Kyokushin/Muay Thai -far- more than traditional Kung Fu. It's too different a style.I Again, its far from traditional Kung-Fu and favors the IKF (look it up). That said, looking up "drunken fist" unveiled three things,
1)Jackie Chan
2)Forms
3)Naruto
I kind of rest my point.
MrShinryuken 2 years ago
Too bad I'm not with Drunken Fist class. Else, I could explain better. Only thing is these traditional Kungfu don't reveal much to others and never participated in tournament. Most Kungfu match today involved only Chinese kickboxing as set by Wushu association. Never display actual kungfu & I hate the gloves being used that disallow us to use thumbs to control hand movement. Traditional Kungfu spent 1 year to perfect basic b4 allowed to learn pattern then 3rd year -how to fight.
taekarkung 2 years ago
Oh, and not to mention, you talk about head punching etc...Your kata/waza/form videos? Hate to tell you, but you're dropping your hands for just about every technique in the book. Its not a fatal flaw for Kyokushin if you yourself don't have the finesse of a boxer when it comes to taking headshots.
Btw, Kyokushin can and will allow -protected- sparring for headshots, we only remove them for competition/bare knuckle fights..its what we do.
MrShinryuken 2 years ago
Once in the match, the fear will automatically raised 1 of my hands to protect my head. I prefer having 1 forward hand to curl my opponent. About the 3 yr training, that's under Traditional Martial Art and they trained 100% closed door. I'm in commercialised wushu, just train like normal TKD & Karate
taekarkung 2 years ago
He might be a "paid actor", because that's all drunken kung fu is. Acting. It is not Kyokushin's moral problem for allowing a spar with this person. Back in the good ol' days it was acceptable to question any style by issuing a challenge. Now a days someone comes to a dojo practicing "hollywood kung fu 2" and gets whooped, ...you call bogus on the art that proved him wrong?
Sounds fair to me.
MrShinryuken 2 years ago
I can give you or your more open-minded classmates techniques on how to take down kyokushin fighter effectively as long as allow punching to the head, grappling and less rules.
taekarkung 2 years ago
"I can train you on how to take down Kyokushin fighters"
Too bad, because I'm a Kyokushin fighter. And a Judo/Kendo player. Not to mention I do sword work from time to time in MJER and TKR, I can say without doubt you're full of shit. 3rd year "how to fight"?
Funny, started 1st day as a Judoka and 4th practice as Karetaka, full contact fighting. You really don't impress me.
MrShinryuken 2 years ago
Just what I learnt with friends from Kyokushin. Just need good sidestep/dodge, attack him from side near his rear. They take longer time to maneuver due to too stiff. They could do just 1 to 2 movement at a time. Perhaps you could do more?
taekarkung 2 years ago
your friends are terrible Kyokushin reps. Angle attacking is mandatory for good Kumite. I have no problem making 2-4 combo and kick/sweeps, let alone mixing for takedowns and submissions, given the latter doesn't come from Kyokushin. I take pride in myself but am I no means the best representive at what I do, which furthers my point.
MrShinryuken 2 years ago
They are great fighters and still deadly towards other Sanda fighters. Say, when you give opponent a sidekick, how fast can you react if opponent slip to your back curl around you then his leg step on your back leg and launch a punch to your head. I go tactical thanks to American war tactics & engineering books. You unlike others, smart enough to figure out that traditional martial art never seen fighting with other arts
taekarkung 2 years ago
'clearly' based on what? Your assumption?
aldridge1 2 years ago
Clearly based on the fact that I have EYES and that i can see. Anyway I didnt say Kung fu was better did I? why u so worked up?
The kung fu guy is not even trying to hit the karate guy and the karate guy is trying to break face.. use some common sense idiot.
NeiLoMei 2 years ago
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aldridge1 2 years ago
Really? Do I seem worked up? It was a simple question. Just wanted to make sure you based your opinion on varifiable fact and not just ignorant assumption of what you want to believe. But no, the best you can do is call me an idiot. You must have very good 'EYES'. I could not see the money changing hands or hear a verbal agreement of same. Damn my 'EYES', they fail me again -_-..... And yeah if you knew anything about Kyokushin you would know those guys were going at about 10%.
aldridge1 2 years ago
Thats because he never got a chance to hit him, he was trying to throw the karate guy off with his awkward fighting style but it wasn't working, the karate guy him him anyways. Drunken style is supposed to look like that, its just not practical against anything other than other gung fu practicioners.
CelticWarriorIX 2 years ago
This IS NOT DRUNKEN Kung Fu. Not real chinese fighter.
robertvoice 2 years ago
Yes, because only REAL chinese fighters can do Kung Fu. I wouldn't discriminate Kung Fu, as Sanshou is actually pretty practical (compared to other forms anyways) Most other Kung fu styles are a bit impractical, but only because most traditional styles fail to improve over time, they just keep the same moves and never evolve..
CelticWarriorIX 2 years ago
I disagree about traditional styles. I think there is not good exponents because it takes much time in life to do it fine. It's no the same TKD 3 days a weak, you get the kickings skills, get black belt in 6 years. Cool, Black Belt. In Kung Fu there is no limit, so we don't use belts, the SIFU (Master) knows everyone's level of skillness. And although if you are right there nos reason to Post this video as Kung Fu, when that clown is not a Kung Fu fighter. You got it?????
robertvoice 2 years ago
I meant WEEK, sorry.
robertvoice 2 years ago
Actually, if your talking TKD where the hell did you come up with 6 years for a black belt, you know all you have to do is shell out the big bucks and they practically give it to you. Same goes for some other styles too, though. Your right, this guy is a japanese man who doesn't know kung fu, he just volunteered to let Karate black belts kick him in the head for the fun of it, makes sense right? I can tell that if he had won you would have said "KUNG FU OWNS KARATE!"
CelticWarriorIX 2 years ago
Dude! There is NOT video of Tournament or Championship where Karate beat Kung Fu. This is a "home film" inside the Karate School in japan. I can do the same in my school and post it, and when you see you can say: "KUNG FU OWNS KARATE!" If you read the history of Karate you will find that okinawan people learned from Kung Fu Styles, from chinese travelers that went to japan. Can you say that what they learned from Shaolin is better than all the shaolin knowledge? Absurd! Is not the same training.
robertvoice 2 years ago
Um, there actually IS footage of tournaments and championships where karate beat kung fu, especially Kyokushin as Kyokushin is a mixture of Shotokan, Goju-ryu, and some other things that Mas Oyama mixed in with it, such as kicking with the shins found in Muay thai. Kung fu has a good style SanShou but like Karate, most of its more traditional forms are more art than practical fighting.
CelticWarriorIX 2 years ago