These are pretenders. Kuhio and his brother David Kawananakoa were the nephews of Queen Kapiolani, and not blood descendants of David Kalakaua or his sister Liliuokalani. And the current David Kawananakoa seated next to Abagail was adopted. The Kalakaua dynasty failed... Queen Emma should have been elected things would have been totally different. Only in a fantasy book would David Kawananakoa, nephew of Kapiolani be considered for the throne. A new election would be called for.
@MolokaiAlika They're not pretenders. If you UNDERSTOOD the various articles of the constitution, it says EXACTLY how one ascends the throne. Kalakaua mentioned how should his line die out the crown should pass to his wife's family. But the constitution does state exactly what steps should be taken & Liliu was about to do that but Kaiulani was named successor first, then Kawananakoa, but if you had common sense, you would've known that wouldn't have happened b/c Kawananakoa died early.
@mamoahina wow, such an attack, not very aloha in spirit.... I am aware of the circumstances, but as many of the king's and queen's decrees, they are not taken seriously by all royalists. All considered in Kalakaua's drunken incompetance. Kalakaua's line is hala.... a totally new line must be considered... even better, Salazar. At any rate the Hawaiian blood line is too weak in the Kawananakoa's. Time for a new election if a kingdom would be considered, but of course one never will.
@MolokaiAlika oh please, give it a rest. We've heard that shit before where people throw that fake "aloha" nonensense that was created since 1959. I come from an island where "aloha" doesn't mean PASSIVITY. We've had fighters from our island way before the 1970s. A totally new line must be considered? Why do you keep avoiding the issue under all these vids? It's like you are justifying the OVERTHROW b/c of your prejudices against Kalakaua, a King who lived WAY before your time!
@MolokaiAlika YOu talk this fucking bullshit about aloha spirit yet here you are dogging the alii, and worse talking shit about Kawananakoas. Fuck that shit, give over your stupid issues with these people. DO NOT USE that and MISquoting the Queen's passages from her journal as means to say that the overthrow was illegal which is why most of these vids were started where you boasted about your so called alii lineage. And you not even from Molokai.
@mamoahina My grandparents were sent to Kalaupapa as they were plagued with leprosy. It is said that they were injected with leprosy by haole doctors to affect their land holdings in Maui and Hawaii Island. Alika was the mule I rode to the colony down the pali years ago. Yeah, it is clear you are very knowledgeable... I am interested in picking the minds of a variety of masters such as yourself.
@MolokaiAlika So sick & tired of haole followers interpreting any type of defiance, disagreement or even a casual "opinion" other than what the protagonist would like to believe to be viewed as not having aloha spirit. AGAIN, that term was coined in the 50s by the Hawaii Visitor's Bureau. Prior to that, kanaka even pre-1778 were not all submissive but lived a typical kanaka way of life. That is a COMMUNAL way of life, something we still practice today, unlike in the larger cities, ie HONOLULU
@mamoahina and of course, a new constitiution would be drafted, and of course not limited to the participants of the Chief's School. In fact, Liliu's constitution was never ratified. While in fact her attempts precipitated the revolution and advancement of the Republic of Hawaii.
@MolokaiAlika Did I say her constitution was ratified? Of course not. Don't twist my words around. Don't thinK i dunno what you're doing. And the 1887 constitution was never ratified either, so don't avoid that issue either. Kalakaua signed the 1887 constitution and somehow that magically made it "valid" while the legislature was out of session. How could that have happened? You're still avoiding all my questions while boasting about your so called lineage when this isn't about you.
@MolokaiAlika how would you know exactly how things would've turned out had Emma been on the throne? There is still that chance of her being taken advantaged of b/c there is NO PROOF of that wouldn't have happened & you know that! She had no heirs & she probably could've named the same possible rulers as anyone else & if not, they'd put it to vote again. There were reasons why the Keaweaheulu line attended the Royal School. Do your research haole!
@mamoahina If you know Hawaiian history. You would know Queen Emma and her husband were fiercely anti-American and pro-British. If Emma had become Queen she would have the support of the people plus her vast land holdings which the Kalakauas lacked wouldn't have made have cost the financial problems that faced the kingdom during their reign. Plus she would have probably named her cousin Albert Kunuiakea as her heir not the Kalakauas.
@SaveChinaTiger That's correct. Q. Emma & her husband didn't favor the Americans as much. But what does this have to do w/ anything? I think you misconstrued the entire argument that Alika was trying to imply. The argument was never about who Emma & Alexander Liholiho favored, that we ALL know. You're only stating the obvious.
@mamoahina Aue, listen to SaveChinaTiger, you might learn something and hopefully you will discontinue jumping to conclusions. @SaveChinaTiger oh by the way, inspite of what some say in here, I am Native Hawaiian and I would qualifty under the Akaka Bill as to the definition or criteria for a Qaulaified Native Hawaiian Constituant (QNHC), about half of the people who claim to be Native Hawaiian would not qualify under this Akaka Bill QNHC criteria. Just FYI. Malama pono, e SaveChinaTiger.
@MolokaiAlika Maybe I'm wrong to speculate but my point is the effectiveness of the foreign policy of Hawaii when there was a clear lean toward the British than the Americans.The British had a chance in the 1840s to annex Hawaii but nobly chosed not to. And ss we all know it was America that anneced Hawaii, and if you removed that American control with having a part British Queen than we might see an independent Hawaii today or a Japanese colony. Depends
@SaveChinaTiger Thank you for your points. Maybe as the queen said in her diary, "I was dispaired by my overthrow, but now I see that annexation was the best for my people." As you said, clearly, "In the end all Hawaians pledged allegiance to America." It was ashame but my maternal grandfather and grandmother are said to have been injected with leprosy and sent to Kalaupapa. They lost access to land holdings in Maui and Hawaii.... apparently set up with malicous intent.
@MolokaiAlika Prince David Kawananakoa, the ancestor of the current Kawananakoa family, was the nephew of Queen Kapiolani, his mother being her younger sister Victoria Kekaulike, ""AND"" the half-cousin of Kalakaua through his father David Piikoi. The Kawananakoa are the closest in blood to the Kalakauas.
@SaveChinaTiger Yes I am aware of this mahalo for your fair and balanced comment. However, Prince Kuhio in about 1910 appeared to have betrayed the Queen (Liliu) when he attemped to have her considered mentally incompetent in court in order to control her land holdings and circumvent her plan to establish her trust for the current day Hawaiian Children's Center. Also, Kuhio as you know became the second deligate to DC after Wilcox and he pleaged an allegence to the USA; foregoing the throne.
@SaveChinaTiger Since David Kawananakoa and his brother pleaged allegeance to the Territory of Hawaii underthe US; they would have surrendered their rights to ascendancy to the throne, as they would be considered tradors to the Kingdom of Hawaii due to their plea of alleagence to the USA senate. What do you think. Again thank you for your thoughts and your elaborations on HRM Emmalani.
@SaveChinaTiger in honor of my grandparents i selected "MolokaiAlica" as screen name as Kalaupapa is on Molokai, and the mule I ride down the pali is named "Alika"....
@SaveChinaTiger oh by the way, inspite of what some say in here, I am Native Hawaiian and I would qualifty under the Akaka Bill as to the definition or criteria for a Qaulaified Native Hawaiian Constituant (QNHC), about half of the people who claim to be Native Hawaiian would not qualify under this Akaka Bill QNHC criteria. Just FYI. Malama pono, e SaveChinaTiger.
Why did the video call her Abigail Campbell Kawananakoa? That was her grandmother. She is Abigail Kinoiki Kekaulike Kawananakoa (Ellerbrock).
SaveChinaTiger 1 year ago
These are pretenders. Kuhio and his brother David Kawananakoa were the nephews of Queen Kapiolani, and not blood descendants of David Kalakaua or his sister Liliuokalani. And the current David Kawananakoa seated next to Abagail was adopted. The Kalakaua dynasty failed... Queen Emma should have been elected things would have been totally different. Only in a fantasy book would David Kawananakoa, nephew of Kapiolani be considered for the throne. A new election would be called for.
MolokaiAlika 1 year ago
@MolokaiAlika They're not pretenders. If you UNDERSTOOD the various articles of the constitution, it says EXACTLY how one ascends the throne. Kalakaua mentioned how should his line die out the crown should pass to his wife's family. But the constitution does state exactly what steps should be taken & Liliu was about to do that but Kaiulani was named successor first, then Kawananakoa, but if you had common sense, you would've known that wouldn't have happened b/c Kawananakoa died early.
mamoahina 1 year ago
@mamoahina wow, such an attack, not very aloha in spirit.... I am aware of the circumstances, but as many of the king's and queen's decrees, they are not taken seriously by all royalists. All considered in Kalakaua's drunken incompetance. Kalakaua's line is hala.... a totally new line must be considered... even better, Salazar. At any rate the Hawaiian blood line is too weak in the Kawananakoa's. Time for a new election if a kingdom would be considered, but of course one never will.
MolokaiAlika 1 year ago
@MolokaiAlika oh please, give it a rest. We've heard that shit before where people throw that fake "aloha" nonensense that was created since 1959. I come from an island where "aloha" doesn't mean PASSIVITY. We've had fighters from our island way before the 1970s. A totally new line must be considered? Why do you keep avoiding the issue under all these vids? It's like you are justifying the OVERTHROW b/c of your prejudices against Kalakaua, a King who lived WAY before your time!
mamoahina 1 year ago
@MolokaiAlika YOu talk this fucking bullshit about aloha spirit yet here you are dogging the alii, and worse talking shit about Kawananakoas. Fuck that shit, give over your stupid issues with these people. DO NOT USE that and MISquoting the Queen's passages from her journal as means to say that the overthrow was illegal which is why most of these vids were started where you boasted about your so called alii lineage. And you not even from Molokai.
mamoahina 1 year ago
@mamoahina My grandparents were sent to Kalaupapa as they were plagued with leprosy. It is said that they were injected with leprosy by haole doctors to affect their land holdings in Maui and Hawaii Island. Alika was the mule I rode to the colony down the pali years ago. Yeah, it is clear you are very knowledgeable... I am interested in picking the minds of a variety of masters such as yourself.
MolokaiAlika 1 year ago
@MolokaiAlika So sick & tired of haole followers interpreting any type of defiance, disagreement or even a casual "opinion" other than what the protagonist would like to believe to be viewed as not having aloha spirit. AGAIN, that term was coined in the 50s by the Hawaii Visitor's Bureau. Prior to that, kanaka even pre-1778 were not all submissive but lived a typical kanaka way of life. That is a COMMUNAL way of life, something we still practice today, unlike in the larger cities, ie HONOLULU
mamoahina 1 year ago
@mamoahina and of course, a new constitiution would be drafted, and of course not limited to the participants of the Chief's School. In fact, Liliu's constitution was never ratified. While in fact her attempts precipitated the revolution and advancement of the Republic of Hawaii.
MolokaiAlika 1 year ago
@MolokaiAlika Did I say her constitution was ratified? Of course not. Don't twist my words around. Don't thinK i dunno what you're doing. And the 1887 constitution was never ratified either, so don't avoid that issue either. Kalakaua signed the 1887 constitution and somehow that magically made it "valid" while the legislature was out of session. How could that have happened? You're still avoiding all my questions while boasting about your so called lineage when this isn't about you.
mamoahina 1 year ago
@MolokaiAlika how would you know exactly how things would've turned out had Emma been on the throne? There is still that chance of her being taken advantaged of b/c there is NO PROOF of that wouldn't have happened & you know that! She had no heirs & she probably could've named the same possible rulers as anyone else & if not, they'd put it to vote again. There were reasons why the Keaweaheulu line attended the Royal School. Do your research haole!
mamoahina 1 year ago
@mamoahina If you know Hawaiian history. You would know Queen Emma and her husband were fiercely anti-American and pro-British. If Emma had become Queen she would have the support of the people plus her vast land holdings which the Kalakauas lacked wouldn't have made have cost the financial problems that faced the kingdom during their reign. Plus she would have probably named her cousin Albert Kunuiakea as her heir not the Kalakauas.
SaveChinaTiger 1 year ago
@SaveChinaTiger That's correct. Q. Emma & her husband didn't favor the Americans as much. But what does this have to do w/ anything? I think you misconstrued the entire argument that Alika was trying to imply. The argument was never about who Emma & Alexander Liholiho favored, that we ALL know. You're only stating the obvious.
mamoahina 1 year ago
@mamoahina Aue, listen to SaveChinaTiger, you might learn something and hopefully you will discontinue jumping to conclusions. @SaveChinaTiger oh by the way, inspite of what some say in here, I am Native Hawaiian and I would qualifty under the Akaka Bill as to the definition or criteria for a Qaulaified Native Hawaiian Constituant (QNHC), about half of the people who claim to be Native Hawaiian would not qualify under this Akaka Bill QNHC criteria. Just FYI. Malama pono, e SaveChinaTiger.
MolokaiAlika 1 year ago
@MolokaiAlika Maybe I'm wrong to speculate but my point is the effectiveness of the foreign policy of Hawaii when there was a clear lean toward the British than the Americans.The British had a chance in the 1840s to annex Hawaii but nobly chosed not to. And ss we all know it was America that anneced Hawaii, and if you removed that American control with having a part British Queen than we might see an independent Hawaii today or a Japanese colony. Depends
SaveChinaTiger 1 year ago
@SaveChinaTiger Thank you for your points. Maybe as the queen said in her diary, "I was dispaired by my overthrow, but now I see that annexation was the best for my people." As you said, clearly, "In the end all Hawaians pledged allegiance to America." It was ashame but my maternal grandfather and grandmother are said to have been injected with leprosy and sent to Kalaupapa. They lost access to land holdings in Maui and Hawaii.... apparently set up with malicous intent.
MolokaiAlika 1 year ago
@MolokaiAlika Prince David Kawananakoa, the ancestor of the current Kawananakoa family, was the nephew of Queen Kapiolani, his mother being her younger sister Victoria Kekaulike, ""AND"" the half-cousin of Kalakaua through his father David Piikoi. The Kawananakoa are the closest in blood to the Kalakauas.
SaveChinaTiger 1 year ago
@SaveChinaTiger Yes I am aware of this mahalo for your fair and balanced comment. However, Prince Kuhio in about 1910 appeared to have betrayed the Queen (Liliu) when he attemped to have her considered mentally incompetent in court in order to control her land holdings and circumvent her plan to establish her trust for the current day Hawaiian Children's Center. Also, Kuhio as you know became the second deligate to DC after Wilcox and he pleaged an allegence to the USA; foregoing the throne.
MolokaiAlika 1 year ago
@SaveChinaTiger Since David Kawananakoa and his brother pleaged allegeance to the Territory of Hawaii underthe US; they would have surrendered their rights to ascendancy to the throne, as they would be considered tradors to the Kingdom of Hawaii due to their plea of alleagence to the USA senate. What do you think. Again thank you for your thoughts and your elaborations on HRM Emmalani.
MolokaiAlika 1 year ago
@MolokaiAlika In the end all Hawaiians pledged allegiance to America. I;m just looking at their chiefly blood qualification.
SaveChinaTiger 1 year ago
@SaveChinaTiger in honor of my grandparents i selected "MolokaiAlica" as screen name as Kalaupapa is on Molokai, and the mule I ride down the pali is named "Alika"....
MolokaiAlika 1 year ago
@SaveChinaTiger oh by the way, inspite of what some say in here, I am Native Hawaiian and I would qualifty under the Akaka Bill as to the definition or criteria for a Qaulaified Native Hawaiian Constituant (QNHC), about half of the people who claim to be Native Hawaiian would not qualify under this Akaka Bill QNHC criteria. Just FYI. Malama pono, e SaveChinaTiger.
MolokaiAlika 1 year ago