@toomanytripples has uploaded so many beautiful videos. Nevertheless I have enquiries after atheists movements. Atheists are annoyed of religious people, because they are thought to be close-minded and that they underestimate human intelligence.
What about religious people who have the thought that atheists are eventually close-minded because of many reasons, and one of them is the atheists' underestimation of religious faith? And faith is something so personal that deserves to be respected.
@margie525 atheists are not annoyed because religious people are close-minded. atheists are annoyed because people believe in things that they have no evidence for... for stuff that's made-up. many then go about acting on these beliefs. many go a step further and try to pass laws that make other people live according to their (theists') beliefs. many even go so far as to hurt others because of their beliefs.
i don't care what other people believe if they keep it to themselves. go ahead and believe in pink unicorns, but don't expect that if, based on your love of the pink unicorn, you do things that effect other peoples' lives, that other people won't be annoyed with you. don't expect if you try pass laws in accordance to your pink-unicorn belief, that they won't try and stop you. if you try to hurt others in the name of the pink-unicorn, people will be against you. (cont'd)
@margie525 (cont'd)as long as you're making claims about how the world works, about the origin of humans, about the origin of the universe, about if prayer works or about miracles or rapture, as long as you claim to know things that there's no way that you can know, don't expect people to respect your claims or your beliefs. governments must respect your right to believe. other people are not required to not call out bullshit when they see it. people who respect others tell them what they think.
@toomanytribbles ok, I see now. But there is a misunderstanding. What people do in the name of religion, it is not what religion stands for. Religion may supports Love and God, but both of them have such a deep meaning that nobody can easily realise it. This human perceptional difficulty results in actions of religious people that may include even hate (if you know what I mean). The issue here is the distinction between ephemeral human minds/nature and eternal religious quests/answers.
@margie525 i disagree. 1. if you don't understand the deep meaning of your religion, then why do you believe it. 2. please read your bible. you will see hate, murder, and a vicious god (i assume you're christian). it is not the source of any kind of morality. 3. 'do unto others' is an idea that almost all cultures have, and it's a basic human principle, not a religious belief.
i do not think that love is what any religion stands for.
@toomanytribbles ...but you still think, do not you? We all think,because we are people with subjective aspects and we cannot hold an objective opinion/thought.I have read the bible, but putting it into a conversation necessitates a lot of time/space,and of course knowledge. I completely disagree with atheists because they think they know some kind of truth (that there is no god). Atheists are, at the same level with religious people, sure of something. Is not it hypocrisy? What if there is God?
@margie525 i can't speak for others, but i think most atheists don't claim to know with certainty whether there is a god or not. i reject the claims for the existence of god because of lack of evidence. as soon as some is provided, i'll check it out and perhaps change my mind. that's all. that's it. no certainty. it is religious people who claim to know things without any evidence at all.
sitting around thinking of fanciful ideas within your mind is not the path to the truth. your mind can play tricks on you. inspired ideas are necessary, but you have to cross check them with hypotheses, predictions experimentation and evidence.
what if there is a god? without evidence, i'm not going to live my life as if there is one. if there is one, we'll find out in good time. in the meantime, there's an excruciatingly beautiful universe out there to explore.
@toomanytribbles But I know theists that explore the universe. Faith does not exclude them from the so-called "Real World"/Science, neither makes them ignorant.
Every person has their own way to perceive life and existence (that means that what is fanciful to you, it isn't to me).
Also, there is huge difference between saying "a god" and "God". This indicates that you do not understand into what religious people see-through when they refer to God.
@margie525 i know that there are theist scientists, and many are highly intelligent -- but i think that they compartmentalize their thoughts in order to overcome the disconnect.
everyone has a right to their own perceptions, but not their own facts.
i understand perfectly and i'm very intentional and purposeful in how i write 'god' and 'a god'. there is no difference to me. you are an atheist with respect to other people's gods... i simply add one more -- yours.
@toomanytribbles I believe that theists cause atheistic movements because of their behaviour, so these movements are unconstrained results.But,even if many theists play a role like acting under the Eye of God,at the same way atheists play a role like acting under No-eye of Nobody. Both of them are very tricky, because 1. If God exists, It does not judge us in the way we believe 2. If God does not exist, everything is generated by Nobody/Nothing, and nobody/nothing can only create nothing/nobody.
@margie525 i think that people derive morality from themselves, their family and their circles... not from god. this is how we evolved, and it's our nature. if someone is good just because someone is watching them, then i don't consider them to be especially moral.
@toomanytribbles Human instinct is searching for the truth, but while searching for the truth it is necessary to be moral. And if the environment that we grow up is not moral (even sometimes we think it is)?And if there is no-one around us to show us good manners? Who will teach us then what morality is and how important it is? If there is no morality around us, are we lost in the dark or something?This is why we need to believe in God, we need to remind ourselves that our nature is to be moral.
@margie525 there are moral people and there are immoral people. but we don't get our morals from religion. we don't need someone watching over us. there are plenty of people who believe in no god and are moral.
you think that the gospels teach you good manners? are you sure you've read them? perhaps when a father was ready to kill his son, or when daughters made their father drunk to sleep with him? or when god ordered the deaths of entire populations? or perhaps the idea of eternal punishment for being born sinful yet ordered to be well?
the bible, both testaments, are creepy and immoral... and you most probably skip over the terrifying parts and concentrate on the ones you like, all according to the morality you already have, independent of religion.
bytheway, are you telling me that if you thought no one was watching over you, you'd go out and kill people?
margie, your comments are all over the place. you keep jumping from one subject to another. you've failed to justify any belief in god, and your arguments have been refuted a thousand times. if you have something truly new or interesting to say, i'd be glad to hear it. otherwise, you may want to do some reading.
@toomanytribbles To your question, it does not matter to me what I believe (beliefs come and go), it matters who I really am, to find out my roots in the universe.
You are right, I keep jumping and I do not write anything new to you. I started this discussion, because I like joining in different aspects, especially when their people seem to be bright (because of your work/videos).
@margie525 if you really care about the truth, you'll check to see that you're getting credible information and not jumping to any conclusions because you like them or because they make you feel good.
i'm glad to hear that you are searching to learn about yourself and your origins. we have a natural curiosity and we want to explore. some people don't care -- that's very sad. still, it's important to match that sense of wonder with a healthy dose of skepticism.
as far as the universe appearing from nothing, you might want to check out the latest science... especially stephen hawking. that is exactly what they think has happened.
if you think that a god had to create everything, you must explain what created god.
@toomanytribbles That is the thing, God is Something Eternal and Omnipresent and human is something time-limited and present at a place. How could we ever perceive God or approve Its existence when Its dimensions are much more than ours? You can better understand it, if you read the scientific theory that says that beings can never perceive more-than-their-dimensions beings, for example the two-dimensional beings can never perceive the existence of the three-dimensional ones.
@margie525 there you go again, telling me what god is and what it isn't. and you know all this, how? i'm not claiming to know. you are. you bear the burden of proof.
perhaps there are pink unicorns that float in and out of existence, outside the edge of our perception. if you don't think so, it's because there's no evidence for that. if you believe me, then i'm sorry, you'll believe anything anyone says.
@toomanytribbles I indicate God's characteristics,because if there is God, It cannot be time-limited and at a place (and if It was time-limited and at a place, It should be generated from Something/Someone else so It would not be God-as you mentioned before).It cannot be compared to a pink unicorn- do you think this comparison is funny and smart? I think this comparison shows me that your opinion is based on bubbles. Does not this everlasting intellectual human argumentation deserve seriousness?
@margie525 i think your ideas of god are baseless and little more than bubbles. i'm completely serious when i compare your ideas to that of a pink unicorn. you might think your imaginations of god are serious, but i think they're just as silly.
if you have evidence of a god, please present it... that's the only thing i ask. you're failing to do so, and this is getting tiresome.
Religion itself isn't the problem. Its the concentration of capitol that does alot more to hold people back. In fact religion (in some cases) can be used to liberate.
Well,l religion is a powerful motivator, and it instills in some people a strong sense of social justice. Ideally, i wish that all would come to understand reality as it is. But that is an impossible task, and becoming a radical aetheist only radicalizes and entrenches those holding religious beliefs.
If we try to weed out all false beliefs, we run into the question: What constitutes a false belief? The answer to that question can be just as false and subjective as the belief itself.
i think the main issue of this whole atheism/theism thing is the Definition of the Word (God).
it means different things to different people right?
some believe "it" doesn't exist, others do. to each his own because ultimately we're all humans on the Same planet, just with Different points of view. some need material evidence others don't.
to me, "God" is simply everything And nothing. paradoxical yes but it makes sense to me.
your definition is often called 'deism'. i don't really have a problem with that definition... 'everything'. ok, everything. it's natural, not supernatural.
i have a problem with people who believe in the supernatural, with no evidence, and proceed to make claims about what some imagined entity wants, how it thinks, and what it requires of us -- and then goes on to take this into the public sphere, requiring everyone else to behave according to this imaginary being.
as for 'everything' -- i am in awe of this universe, but i most certainly don't pray to it as if it can hear me or intervene to change events because of my desires.
i also don't like these "isms", these umbrella terms but that's me : |
i'll "cut my dialogue" with occam's razor(?) and just say that the most important thing is how we treat each other and ourselves. acquiring knowledge comes second.
pessimism is so drab so that's my bible. the words i live by. well at least i try
by 'isms' you seem to mean dogma, but atheism, even though it contains the suffix, is the opposite of dogma.
treating each other well is a priority, but it is also important to see and understand the universe as it is, and live a life that is examined. otherwise, it is, to me, a waste.
Okay, well when us atheists say "god" we're referring to the Oxford English Dictionary's definition. Not whatever definition each person mite arbitrarily assign that word. Everyone knows this already, so an unsure definition of "god" is not the cause of the problem. Wtf we're you even thinking?
well what evidence do you have that God does not exist? explain the bible that has numerous accounts and predictions that have already came to pass. It wasn't just written last week you know. why is it so hard for you people? have you even ever considered the possibility of having to face him one day and he says- you denied me, so I am denying you- depart from me, I know you not. dude it is so not worth your foolish pride. There is eternity. Peace, and dont be all bitchy and defensive about it.
no one can prove that something doesn't exist. this whole paragraph of classic and illogical theist arguments makes it obvious that you have never considered the issue seriously enough to wonder what atheists say about it. you're an obvious example of someone who really ought to read a bit. it's not my job to go through it all here in the comments. it's your responsibility to educate yourself. i've provided a list of blogs. look into it.
I could equally turn this around on you and say the same thing, have you read the entire content of the bible? someone is wrong and someone is right. we cant both have it our way so good luck, as for me, I am not worried about anything and glad I have not wasted my life foolishly. peace
no, it's not in the least bit equal and your saying so clearly illustrates how little you've thought about this.
i've read many parts of the bible, but reading through all the dreary nonsense is something i don't need to do. i don't have to pay attention to the contents of this book until there is ample reason ( e v i d e n c e ) that what is says is true.
'extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence' - carl sagan what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.' - christopher hitchens
i have just spent 5 minutes answering your remark which is about as naive and ignorant (in the sense of not knowing) as they come.
i do not intend to play this game of ping pong with you -- my time is precious. please do some reading.
well this is my last reply to you- It has been my experience that you atheist people for the most are very articulate, arrogant , have bad attitudes, are overtly critical and attempt to talk down to people of faith, which shows you are ignorant and "closed-minded". I find your beliefs to be nonsense. enjoy hell.
People who believe in God are the most open- minded people. they accept him based on faith. Though I have never seen him, I know he is real and he is my savior. That's pretty open-minded!
proudtobloud, please don't bother justifying things that are outside your little thinking cube, cause you might hurt yourself. stay in, when you and your ideas are safe from reason.
Now if you do not believe in god, and you accept naturalism and unintentionalism then you have to justify your sense perception by faith, but atheism does not give you justification for that faith, to be consistent, you can say you perceive things in a certain way, but to say why things are the way they are is inconsistent with unintentionalism,to be consistent, you could embrace nihilism, give up atheism, or give up logic, you have given up logic.
how can you free your mind if it came about by accident?, you talk about not being open minded to the extent that your brain falls out, yet you are justifying you have a rational mind in the first place,atheism does not provide you with a platform for justifying a rational mind or for trusting sense perception, you cannot free your mind if you are a slave to an accidental process, you can't even justify sense perception and hold to atheism at the same time, you're a slave to irrationality.
atheism is a positive denial of gods existence, once exposed to an idea you cannot go back to a state of lack because you have been exposed to an idea, that is illogical to say that you can, i take it that you are making an argument because you have a position, you cannot logical make an argument from a non position, people argue for reasons not non reasons, cont
part 2: i'm publishing this comment to show people how those who insist on deluding themselves operate.
i don't insult easily and these silly little, snide remarks of yours don't even come close to actually succeeding but your tactics are inept, deplorable and oh, so uninteresting.
part 1: this is the last time i'm going to accept a comment by you. you insist on reacting to things i have not said and that you have simply conjured up in your mind. you have no arguments and have resorted, for a second time and increasingly, to ad hominem attacks on me, a subject about which you know nothing... but then, you obviously know nothing about a whole lot and want to keep it that way.
you know there is an old saying, "Love has its reasons, of which reason knows nothing."
I'm not going to waste time explaining my knowledge to someone who rationalizes everything in the universe and is deluded into thinking without any uncertainties. guess you've never experienced being in love much?
not everything is about reading and knowing the arguments. do yourself a favor, go out and have some fun in life. i imagine you must need it. cause, otherwise you may not live for very long.
there is a major difference between having a healthy dose of rationalism (in everything) and so much excess as to completely hurt yourself from maintaining a ridiculously high degree of self control and overprotection. after all, balance is the key and not everything in life is certain. soooo... don't take the fun out of life. =)
btw, arguments can go both ways. ir-rational thought can ALSO free your mind. (you could try falling in love, just an example)
And PARTICULARLY the pressure on GIRLS not to be too smart, or we might alienate the boys and their oh-so-fragile little egos. I eventually learned not to bother with any male beings who seemed uncomfortable with my intelligence. I have NO time for gender, religious, or ethnic chauvinism.
you're implying that most human beings will always need to delude themselves about god. it's highly condescending to believe such a thing about humanity.
I am NOT a particle within some mindless "mass"... I am an individual, who thinks for herself, and consciously maintains a mind which remains open to new, additional, fresh knowledge (both scientific and personal/empirical) as well as established facts.
@SuperSupersenior
is it required viewing?
toomanytribbles 5 months ago
@toomanytripples has uploaded so many beautiful videos. Nevertheless I have enquiries after atheists movements. Atheists are annoyed of religious people, because they are thought to be close-minded and that they underestimate human intelligence.
What about religious people who have the thought that atheists are eventually close-minded because of many reasons, and one of them is the atheists' underestimation of religious faith? And faith is something so personal that deserves to be respected.
margie525 8 months ago
@margie525 atheists are not annoyed because religious people are close-minded. atheists are annoyed because people believe in things that they have no evidence for... for stuff that's made-up. many then go about acting on these beliefs. many go a step further and try to pass laws that make other people live according to their (theists') beliefs. many even go so far as to hurt others because of their beliefs.
(cont'd)
toomanytribbles 8 months ago
@margie525 (cont'd)
i don't care what other people believe if they keep it to themselves. go ahead and believe in pink unicorns, but don't expect that if, based on your love of the pink unicorn, you do things that effect other peoples' lives, that other people won't be annoyed with you. don't expect if you try pass laws in accordance to your pink-unicorn belief, that they won't try and stop you. if you try to hurt others in the name of the pink-unicorn, people will be against you. (cont'd)
toomanytribbles 8 months ago
@margie525 (cont'd)as long as you're making claims about how the world works, about the origin of humans, about the origin of the universe, about if prayer works or about miracles or rapture, as long as you claim to know things that there's no way that you can know, don't expect people to respect your claims or your beliefs. governments must respect your right to believe. other people are not required to not call out bullshit when they see it. people who respect others tell them what they think.
toomanytribbles 8 months ago
@toomanytribbles ok, I see now. But there is a misunderstanding. What people do in the name of religion, it is not what religion stands for. Religion may supports Love and God, but both of them have such a deep meaning that nobody can easily realise it. This human perceptional difficulty results in actions of religious people that may include even hate (if you know what I mean). The issue here is the distinction between ephemeral human minds/nature and eternal religious quests/answers.
margie525 8 months ago
@margie525 i disagree. 1. if you don't understand the deep meaning of your religion, then why do you believe it. 2. please read your bible. you will see hate, murder, and a vicious god (i assume you're christian). it is not the source of any kind of morality. 3. 'do unto others' is an idea that almost all cultures have, and it's a basic human principle, not a religious belief.
i do not think that love is what any religion stands for.
toomanytribbles 8 months ago
@toomanytribbles ...but you still think, do not you? We all think,because we are people with subjective aspects and we cannot hold an objective opinion/thought.I have read the bible, but putting it into a conversation necessitates a lot of time/space,and of course knowledge. I completely disagree with atheists because they think they know some kind of truth (that there is no god). Atheists are, at the same level with religious people, sure of something. Is not it hypocrisy? What if there is God?
margie525 8 months ago
@margie525 i can't speak for others, but i think most atheists don't claim to know with certainty whether there is a god or not. i reject the claims for the existence of god because of lack of evidence. as soon as some is provided, i'll check it out and perhaps change my mind. that's all. that's it. no certainty. it is religious people who claim to know things without any evidence at all.
toomanytribbles 8 months ago
@margie525 cont'd
sitting around thinking of fanciful ideas within your mind is not the path to the truth. your mind can play tricks on you. inspired ideas are necessary, but you have to cross check them with hypotheses, predictions experimentation and evidence.
what if there is a god? without evidence, i'm not going to live my life as if there is one. if there is one, we'll find out in good time. in the meantime, there's an excruciatingly beautiful universe out there to explore.
toomanytribbles 8 months ago
@toomanytribbles But I know theists that explore the universe. Faith does not exclude them from the so-called "Real World"/Science, neither makes them ignorant.
Every person has their own way to perceive life and existence (that means that what is fanciful to you, it isn't to me).
Also, there is huge difference between saying "a god" and "God". This indicates that you do not understand into what religious people see-through when they refer to God.
margie525 8 months ago
@margie525 i know that there are theist scientists, and many are highly intelligent -- but i think that they compartmentalize their thoughts in order to overcome the disconnect.
everyone has a right to their own perceptions, but not their own facts.
i understand perfectly and i'm very intentional and purposeful in how i write 'god' and 'a god'. there is no difference to me. you are an atheist with respect to other people's gods... i simply add one more -- yours.
toomanytribbles 8 months ago
@toomanytribbles I believe that theists cause atheistic movements because of their behaviour, so these movements are unconstrained results.But,even if many theists play a role like acting under the Eye of God,at the same way atheists play a role like acting under No-eye of Nobody. Both of them are very tricky, because 1. If God exists, It does not judge us in the way we believe 2. If God does not exist, everything is generated by Nobody/Nothing, and nobody/nothing can only create nothing/nobody.
margie525 8 months ago
@margie525 i think that people derive morality from themselves, their family and their circles... not from god. this is how we evolved, and it's our nature. if someone is good just because someone is watching them, then i don't consider them to be especially moral.
(cont'd)
toomanytribbles 8 months ago
@toomanytribbles Human instinct is searching for the truth, but while searching for the truth it is necessary to be moral. And if the environment that we grow up is not moral (even sometimes we think it is)?And if there is no-one around us to show us good manners? Who will teach us then what morality is and how important it is? If there is no morality around us, are we lost in the dark or something?This is why we need to believe in God, we need to remind ourselves that our nature is to be moral.
margie525 8 months ago
@margie525 there are moral people and there are immoral people. but we don't get our morals from religion. we don't need someone watching over us. there are plenty of people who believe in no god and are moral.
cont'd
toomanytribbles 8 months ago
@margie525
you think that the gospels teach you good manners? are you sure you've read them? perhaps when a father was ready to kill his son, or when daughters made their father drunk to sleep with him? or when god ordered the deaths of entire populations? or perhaps the idea of eternal punishment for being born sinful yet ordered to be well?
cont'd
toomanytribbles 8 months ago
@margie525
the bible, both testaments, are creepy and immoral... and you most probably skip over the terrifying parts and concentrate on the ones you like, all according to the morality you already have, independent of religion.
bytheway, are you telling me that if you thought no one was watching over you, you'd go out and kill people?
toomanytribbles 8 months ago
@margie525
margie, your comments are all over the place. you keep jumping from one subject to another. you've failed to justify any belief in god, and your arguments have been refuted a thousand times. if you have something truly new or interesting to say, i'd be glad to hear it. otherwise, you may want to do some reading.
toomanytribbles 8 months ago
@toomanytribbles To your question, it does not matter to me what I believe (beliefs come and go), it matters who I really am, to find out my roots in the universe.
You are right, I keep jumping and I do not write anything new to you. I started this discussion, because I like joining in different aspects, especially when their people seem to be bright (because of your work/videos).
margie525 8 months ago
@margie525 if you really care about the truth, you'll check to see that you're getting credible information and not jumping to any conclusions because you like them or because they make you feel good.
i'm glad to hear that you are searching to learn about yourself and your origins. we have a natural curiosity and we want to explore. some people don't care -- that's very sad. still, it's important to match that sense of wonder with a healthy dose of skepticism.
we still have a lot to learn.
toomanytribbles 8 months ago
@margie525
as far as the universe appearing from nothing, you might want to check out the latest science... especially stephen hawking. that is exactly what they think has happened.
if you think that a god had to create everything, you must explain what created god.
toomanytribbles 8 months ago
@toomanytribbles That is the thing, God is Something Eternal and Omnipresent and human is something time-limited and present at a place. How could we ever perceive God or approve Its existence when Its dimensions are much more than ours? You can better understand it, if you read the scientific theory that says that beings can never perceive more-than-their-dimensions beings, for example the two-dimensional beings can never perceive the existence of the three-dimensional ones.
margie525 8 months ago
@margie525 there you go again, telling me what god is and what it isn't. and you know all this, how? i'm not claiming to know. you are. you bear the burden of proof.
perhaps there are pink unicorns that float in and out of existence, outside the edge of our perception. if you don't think so, it's because there's no evidence for that. if you believe me, then i'm sorry, you'll believe anything anyone says.
cont'd
toomanytribbles 8 months ago
@toomanytribbles I indicate God's characteristics,because if there is God, It cannot be time-limited and at a place (and if It was time-limited and at a place, It should be generated from Something/Someone else so It would not be God-as you mentioned before).It cannot be compared to a pink unicorn- do you think this comparison is funny and smart? I think this comparison shows me that your opinion is based on bubbles. Does not this everlasting intellectual human argumentation deserve seriousness?
margie525 8 months ago
@margie525 i think your ideas of god are baseless and little more than bubbles. i'm completely serious when i compare your ideas to that of a pink unicorn. you might think your imaginations of god are serious, but i think they're just as silly.
if you have evidence of a god, please present it... that's the only thing i ask. you're failing to do so, and this is getting tiresome.
toomanytribbles 8 months ago
@margie525
btw...the two-dimensional beings is a math game.. a way to help people understand the idea of more dimensions... have you actually located one??
toomanytribbles 8 months ago
Thank you for this !!
Stathis
stathiszphotography 2 years ago
Beautiful vid, it really shows there aren't only religious website's out there.
AvAars 2 years ago
It is outrageous that humanity allows itself to steered and guided by a non-existent greater being( god ).
Religion is a construct of man and a useful tool for our leaders through history to control the masses.
OgyRugby 2 years ago
Religion itself isn't the problem. Its the concentration of capitol that does alot more to hold people back. In fact religion (in some cases) can be used to liberate.
JrFLYnnIV 2 years ago
i don't see why the existence of one problem has to exclude the other.
the concentration of capital into too few hands is a problem -- and so is religion.
believing in falsehoods can never liberate.
toomanytribbles 2 years ago
Well,l religion is a powerful motivator, and it instills in some people a strong sense of social justice. Ideally, i wish that all would come to understand reality as it is. But that is an impossible task, and becoming a radical aetheist only radicalizes and entrenches those holding religious beliefs.
If we try to weed out all false beliefs, we run into the question: What constitutes a false belief? The answer to that question can be just as false and subjective as the belief itself.
JrFLYnnIV 2 years ago
hitchens handles this well:
'name one ethical statement made, or one ethical action performed, by a believer that could not have been uttered or done by a nonbeliever.'
(cont'd)
toomanytribbles 2 years ago
... now...
'think of a wicked statement made, or an evil action performed, precisely because of religious faith.'
the second is oh, so easy.
i think religion itself is destructive -- not the misunderstanding of religion.
the term 'radical atheist' is yours. i think there is no such thing.
as for the rest, find empirical evidence for your god.
toomanytribbles 2 years ago
i think the main issue of this whole atheism/theism thing is the Definition of the Word (God).
it means different things to different people right?
some believe "it" doesn't exist, others do. to each his own because ultimately we're all humans on the Same planet, just with Different points of view. some need material evidence others don't.
to me, "God" is simply everything And nothing. paradoxical yes but it makes sense to me.
henri333 2 years ago
your definition is often called 'deism'. i don't really have a problem with that definition... 'everything'. ok, everything. it's natural, not supernatural.
i have a problem with people who believe in the supernatural, with no evidence, and proceed to make claims about what some imagined entity wants, how it thinks, and what it requires of us -- and then goes on to take this into the public sphere, requiring everyone else to behave according to this imaginary being.
toomanytribbles 2 years ago
as for 'everything' -- i am in awe of this universe, but i most certainly don't pray to it as if it can hear me or intervene to change events because of my desires.
toomanytribbles 2 years ago
i also don't like these "isms", these umbrella terms but that's me : |
i'll "cut my dialogue" with occam's razor(?) and just say that the most important thing is how we treat each other and ourselves. acquiring knowledge comes second.
pessimism is so drab so that's my bible. the words i live by. well at least i try
henri333 2 years ago
by 'isms' you seem to mean dogma, but atheism, even though it contains the suffix, is the opposite of dogma.
treating each other well is a priority, but it is also important to see and understand the universe as it is, and live a life that is examined. otherwise, it is, to me, a waste.
toomanytribbles 2 years ago
Okay, well when us atheists say "god" we're referring to the Oxford English Dictionary's definition. Not whatever definition each person mite arbitrarily assign that word. Everyone knows this already, so an unsure definition of "god" is not the cause of the problem. Wtf we're you even thinking?
xSkraelingx 2 years ago
I believe in god. God create beautiful earth, moon, sun, cloud, mountain and all living things...I believe in Allah.
75kharmila 2 years ago
it's your choice.
toomanytribbles 2 years ago
well what evidence do you have that God does not exist? explain the bible that has numerous accounts and predictions that have already came to pass. It wasn't just written last week you know. why is it so hard for you people? have you even ever considered the possibility of having to face him one day and he says- you denied me, so I am denying you- depart from me, I know you not. dude it is so not worth your foolish pride. There is eternity. Peace, and dont be all bitchy and defensive about it.
1morningsun 2 years ago
no one can prove that something doesn't exist. this whole paragraph of classic and illogical theist arguments makes it obvious that you have never considered the issue seriously enough to wonder what atheists say about it. you're an obvious example of someone who really ought to read a bit. it's not my job to go through it all here in the comments. it's your responsibility to educate yourself. i've provided a list of blogs. look into it.
toomanytribbles 2 years ago
I could equally turn this around on you and say the same thing, have you read the entire content of the bible? someone is wrong and someone is right. we cant both have it our way so good luck, as for me, I am not worried about anything and glad I have not wasted my life foolishly. peace
1morningsun 2 years ago
no, it's not in the least bit equal and your saying so clearly illustrates how little you've thought about this.
i've read many parts of the bible, but reading through all the dreary nonsense is something i don't need to do. i don't have to pay attention to the contents of this book until there is ample reason ( e v i d e n c e ) that what is says is true.
toomanytribbles 2 years ago
(continued)
two elementary rules of logic:
'extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence' - carl sagan what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.' - christopher hitchens
i have just spent 5 minutes answering your remark which is about as naive and ignorant (in the sense of not knowing) as they come.
i do not intend to play this game of ping pong with you -- my time is precious. please do some reading.
toomanytribbles 2 years ago
well this is my last reply to you- It has been my experience that you atheist people for the most are very articulate, arrogant , have bad attitudes, are overtly critical and attempt to talk down to people of faith, which shows you are ignorant and "closed-minded". I find your beliefs to be nonsense. enjoy hell.
1morningsun 2 years ago
ok, don't do any reading.
thank you for your input.
toomanytribbles 2 years ago
well open your mind to this..... KEEP IT TO YOURSELF asshole!
grebeikcir 2 years ago
is this directed to me?
if it is, then, no.
toomanytribbles 2 years ago
People who believe in God are the most open- minded people. they accept him based on faith. Though I have never seen him, I know he is real and he is my savior. That's pretty open-minded!
1morningsun 2 years ago
that's pretty closed-minded. you have a preconception and you stay with it, no matter what the evidence shows. that's faith.
toomanytribbles 2 years ago
I had NO idea there were as many sights and blogs for Atheist.
(smile) Thanks!
blaziermissy 2 years ago
proudtobloud, please don't bother justifying things that are outside your little thinking cube, cause you might hurt yourself. stay in, when you and your ideas are safe from reason.
mytubelt 2 years ago
Now if you do not believe in god, and you accept naturalism and unintentionalism then you have to justify your sense perception by faith, but atheism does not give you justification for that faith, to be consistent, you can say you perceive things in a certain way, but to say why things are the way they are is inconsistent with unintentionalism,to be consistent, you could embrace nihilism, give up atheism, or give up logic, you have given up logic.
ProudToBLoud 2 years ago
i was right. you're wasting my time.
toomanytribbles 2 years ago
how can you free your mind if it came about by accident?, you talk about not being open minded to the extent that your brain falls out, yet you are justifying you have a rational mind in the first place,atheism does not provide you with a platform for justifying a rational mind or for trusting sense perception, you cannot free your mind if you are a slave to an accidental process, you can't even justify sense perception and hold to atheism at the same time, you're a slave to irrationality.
ProudToBLoud 2 years ago
atheism is nothing more than not readily believing things that have zero evidence for existence. you think it's something else.
toomanytribbles 2 years ago
zero evidence according to whom?
ProudToBLoud 2 years ago
according to anybody: scientific, falsifiable evidence.
toomanytribbles 2 years ago
atheism is a positive denial of gods existence, once exposed to an idea you cannot go back to a state of lack because you have been exposed to an idea, that is illogical to say that you can, i take it that you are making an argument because you have a position, you cannot logical make an argument from a non position, people argue for reasons not non reasons, cont
ProudToBLoud 2 years ago
i'll immediately believe in god as soon as you present said evidence. until then, you're wasting my time.
toomanytribbles 2 years ago
part 2: i'm publishing this comment to show people how those who insist on deluding themselves operate.
i don't insult easily and these silly little, snide remarks of yours don't even come close to actually succeeding but your tactics are inept, deplorable and oh, so uninteresting.
keep have fun.
toomanytribbles 3 years ago
part 1: this is the last time i'm going to accept a comment by you. you insist on reacting to things i have not said and that you have simply conjured up in your mind. you have no arguments and have resorted, for a second time and increasingly, to ad hominem attacks on me, a subject about which you know nothing... but then, you obviously know nothing about a whole lot and want to keep it that way.
toomanytribbles 3 years ago
you know there is an old saying, "Love has its reasons, of which reason knows nothing."
I'm not going to waste time explaining my knowledge to someone who rationalizes everything in the universe and is deluded into thinking without any uncertainties. guess you've never experienced being in love much?
not everything is about reading and knowing the arguments. do yourself a favor, go out and have some fun in life. i imagine you must need it. cause, otherwise you may not live for very long.
trickmastermonkey 3 years ago
who advocated excess in self-control and overprotection? who opposed fun?
in your second paragraph, you're being insulting.
you still haven't displayed a knowledge of the arguments.
toomanytribbles 3 years ago
faith in atheism much?
trickmastermonkey 3 years ago
knowledge of the arguments little?
toomanytribbles 3 years ago
there is a major difference between having a healthy dose of rationalism (in everything) and so much excess as to completely hurt yourself from maintaining a ridiculously high degree of self control and overprotection. after all, balance is the key and not everything in life is certain. soooo... don't take the fun out of life. =)
btw, arguments can go both ways. ir-rational thought can ALSO free your mind. (you could try falling in love, just an example)
=]
trickmastermonkey 3 years ago
Nice video man and good music.
I love the "Free your mind" name also I cant think of a better way to describe someone leaving religion.
orbis17 3 years ago
A literal treasuretrove of data for those who wish to see the world as it truly is.
robtul12 4 years ago
I just watched this video again ... for the 3rd time. It's keeps getting better every time I see it.
msginca 4 years ago 2
Nice vid btw!
msginca 4 years ago 2
glad you enjoyed it.
toomanytribbles 4 years ago
It was humor ... a joke. ;-)
msginca 4 years ago
oh good (whew!)
i suspected it was but you can never tell on the internets.
toomanytribbles 4 years ago
Isn't a shame that a comment like that could even be possible??? ... because there are people like that ...!
msginca 4 years ago 2
yes, it's possible. i remember the pressure to not be smart from waaaaay back in high school.
toomanytribbles 4 years ago
Isn't that WEIRD??? Pressure to NOT be smart. Geeezzz .... thats child abuse, plain and simple. When are we gonna get a clue!?!?!?
msginca 4 years ago
And PARTICULARLY the pressure on GIRLS not to be too smart, or we might alienate the boys and their oh-so-fragile little egos. I eventually learned not to bother with any male beings who seemed uncomfortable with my intelligence. I have NO time for gender, religious, or ethnic chauvinism.
WhollyBabbleOn 2 years ago
yea .... but if I read all that stuff, I'll end up being really smart and then my friends won't like me anymore.
Then what am I supposed to do!?!?!?
msginca 4 years ago
choose friends who would support you being smart.
what's bad about being smart anyway?
toomanytribbles 4 years ago
*skips to the book store* With a big fat Atheist smile!
dirty210angel 4 years ago
reading sucks, I need something to inject directly into my brain? something like in the matrix? :P
EGOistICH 4 years ago
:D....
toomanytribbles 4 years ago
so then religion is considered irrational thought? That's a bit closed-minded
CoMa7oSe 4 years ago
"there's this thing called being so open-minded your brains drop out."
toomanytribbles 4 years ago
close-mindedness is faith without proof... which is all religion will ever be
usernametakenlawl 4 years ago 5
Religion IS the opium of the masses. Maybe the masses need their opium?
zakatak000 4 years ago
you're implying that most human beings will always need to delude themselves about god. it's highly condescending to believe such a thing about humanity.
toomanytribbles 4 years ago
I am NOT a particle within some mindless "mass"... I am an individual, who thinks for herself, and consciously maintains a mind which remains open to new, additional, fresh knowledge (both scientific and personal/empirical) as well as established facts.
WhollyBabbleOn 2 years ago
and which one of your 5 senses tells you that.
ProudToBLoud 2 years ago
you clearly have some reading to do.
toomanytribbles 4 years ago
Great cool!how you got the idea!
kelly0622 4 years ago
As the philosopher Cartman once said,"kick Ass!"
Oztrigger4 4 years ago
Excellent!
flyingscot777 4 years ago 2
Great work!
BlackSunJournal 4 years ago 2
Woot. I think my humbles site got a mention there in the Out Campaign scroll. Nice work btw
crazymalc 4 years ago 2
a powerful way of demonstrating the spread of freethought. Sweet.
AttemptingReason 4 years ago 2
Excellent.
I've got a lot of reading to do!
MargeAggedon 4 years ago 2
Good one!
Castaa 4 years ago 2
That is GREAT!!!
guitarz333 4 years ago 2
whats that music?
zakiechan 4 years ago 2
it's in the video description.
toomanytribbles 4 years ago
A rising tide, I hope.
Boreas74 4 years ago 2
Ha! "All your base are belong to us!"
LiisaEva 4 years ago 2
Awesome! :D
kjlg74 4 years ago 2