ACCESS HEALTHCARE: RNs Host Michael Moore's SiCKO Premiere

[adamwittek]

Hello CNA/NNOC team & viewers of this video, I have a request and as this moving story appears to be a good place to reach the people I'm looking for, I hope it's okay that I post here.

I'm an actor & theatre practitioner in London, currently working on a verbatim project on the AMERICAN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM and needing willing participants to share their views & experiences. Please click my Channel for more info. I'm looking forward to hearing from you, CNA/NNOC, or any page visitor. Thanks.

[blazedpunker]

im a RN student, i never heard of this movie b4, wtf, i guess...

[aviomaster]

dane3026 (-- do you cry ,,, and go to CEMETERY when you destroy your CAR ...

[MySeizures]

Dear Sir/Madam, After working hard for over 25 years and built a decent life for my self and my family, because of and due to the last 10 years of persistent epileptic seizures, I lost my wife, my home, my job, my car and my driving license to become destitute homeless. I've been told by Stanford University, I need brain surgery to cure my seizures but I don't have health insurance. Can you please help, Thank you, Regards, Gerrie

[mackdjroc187]

All HCA owned hospitals are doctor owned, for profit and evil. I worked as a nurse in one for 3 years an we had no supples, no staff and VIP rooms for physician family members. They have billboards advertising their ER and chest pain! We kept people in there for days hat didn't need treatment, if they had good insurance and kicked out the ones that needed it if they couldn't pay. We have a very sad system, this stuff happens all the time. If you want a for profit system this is what you get.

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[keegansillaf]

your wrong dane. maybe you should give up a couple of dollars a year to help your sick neighbour out. Like canadians we pay taxes to support. But like americans you promise to be supportive but then fail at continuing out. *Sigh* capitalist countries are going down the shitter fast. good thing i appreciate all the help i get from hospitals and im willing to help someone else in a difficult situation aswell.

[dane3026]

keegansillaf, I am helping my sick neighbor out. I'm defending free-market economics. Since about the time of Watt's invention of the steam engine, FREE-MARKET CAPITALISM had done the most good for the most people at the lowest cost. If this statement induces projectile vomiting in you, you have a illness with which I am not able to help.

[TeamSIckoEh]

Freemarkets work for BUILDING thing like cars, electronics.

FREE market do NOT work for health care since the major cost of health care is labour of nurses and doctors.

You health should not be decided by what is in the best interest of an health insurance company which is to make the most profit for the shareholder.

I belong to right wing party in Canada and believe HR 676 is in the best interest of americans,

[dane3026]

TeamSickoEh, do you have an example of how "FREE market do NOT work for health care since the major cost of health care is labour of nurses and doctors" 'cause I'm not sure how this applies.

On a side note: the insurance industry is not evil. In fact, insurance is a wonderfully beautiful thing.

[TeamSIckoEh]

Watch Sicko and see the evil side of the private health care insurance system.

The only way to maximize profits for an insurance company is to DENY payment for medical treatment and they do that to even people with CANCER

The entire advertising budget for the American Cancer society is about the problems people who have cancer and have NO health insurance. IT IS A DEATH SENTENCE FOR THEM

go ahead and try your spin on that

[dane3026]

TeamSickoEh, I'm sure you know that some patients who receive treatment for cancer still die from cancer. Ins Cos know this too and, correctly, allocate their limited resources (premiums received) to more reliable outcomes (casts for fractures, appendectomies, stitches for lacerations.) Ins Cos cannot DENY their way to profitability, nor can they just raise rates to cover less successful treatments (a gov't, however, can do both.)

[dane3026]

...denying treatment IS NOT the "evil side of the private health care insurance system." Nor would denying treatment be the evil side of a gov't run health care system - it is (for better or worse) the reality of life. A friend of mine, a 52-yr-old married father of three, died last year from cancer even though he received an insurance-paid treatment not typically approved for men over 50-yrs-old.

[dane3026]

...I'll say again, insurance is a wonderfully beautiful thing; and it is not evil. I live in a more expensive house than I would DARE live in, if I could not INSURE against its loss. And I drive a more expensive car than I would DARE drive, if I could not INSURE against its loss - AND SO DO YOU! Whoever thought-up insurance, had a great idea!!!

[dane3026]

...the "evil side" of insurance would be an insurance bureaucracy NOT carefully allocating its limited resources to the most reliable outcomes, because competition would drive it out of business. Unless, of course, there was no competition, such as the Gov't has.

[dane3026]

...to think it works any other way than as I just described would require a degree from the Michael Moore School of Economics. That's my 'spin'

[TeamSIckoEh]

Since you did NOT see sicko - 4 woman with health insurance developed cancer - one died from a brain tumor that her insurance company said was NOT life threating - another was DENIED a MRI but got on in JAPAN while on Vacation and got sick. The doctors in JApan said she had a brain tumor but Blue Shield of Califoria said she did not- i trust the doctors in Japan more than a insurance company

[dane3026]

Correct, I'm looking forward to seeing 'Sicko' but I have not seen it, yet. As an analogy, there is a reason prosecutors are limited in the physical size and quantity of gruesome crime scene photos they are allowed to show a jury. The photos can stir up so much ill will, anger and hateful emotion they can become inflammatory and prejudicial, thereby leaving a distraught jury unable to judge evidence reasonably.

[dane3026]

...in the same way, using emotionally-charged anecdotes to 'demonstrate' how "evil" insurance companies are, which can just as easily be attributed to the unintended failings of humans (or a few "bad apples" in the bunch), is poor reasoning. I gave the example of my friend who died of cancer; bad things just happen.

[dane3026]

Well, I saw SICKO this week. Michael Moore puts forth an intellectually dishonest argument throughout the entire film. In essence, his point appears to be: by demonstrating the negatives of the U.S. healthcare system and NOT demonstrating any negatives of any system he prefers, the other system (in conclusion) MUST be better.

[dane3026]

Anyone capable of formulating a thought, beyond those Michael Moore provides in the film, would realize the lack of credibility SICKO (& by association MM) possesses in distinguishing between different healthcare systems. In other words, "IT'S A BIG, FAT LIE" (no pun intended) and I would be highly reluctant to believe another word from Michael Moore's mouth!

[dane3026]

Does Michael Moore really believe that National Universal Health Care would be "FREE"? He has a severely challenged concept of economics if he does. Dr. David Gratzer (a canadian physician) describes in his book "The Cure" how a for-profit-system fuels innovation, but would stifle innovation in a system without a profit incentive. For an example, think "Soviet Union" How much innovation came out of the Soviet Union in any area (technology, medicine, business, automobiles, etc.)

[TeamSIckoEh]

Dr. Gratzer has NO clue about how the Canadian Health Care system since he practices medicine in the USA and not in Canada. He is a far right winger.

Canada is NOT the USSR and the canadian dollar is NOT worth then the USA. The economy is booming and there are worries about inflation.

What the hell are you talking about - health insurance companies do NOT do any research -

MORE BS.

[dane3026]

TeamSickoEh, you say [Gratzer] is a far right winger" [with] "NO clue about [] the Canadian Health Care system". Could a "left-winger" be clueless about canadian healthcare too?

Agreed. Canada is not the USSR. But the USSR was a wonderful example of how a profit-less economy just does not work

I never said health insurance companies do research. I'm sure they, in fact, do conduct research, but probably not the type you're insinuating.

[GetHealthHelp]

We don't need Insurance, we need guaranteed healthcare. That says it all. Please learn the lingo, HMO is the law that allows insurance companies to contract with providers. All PPO, POS or any other combo is HMO, so when the insurance companies try to sell you that they have changed from HMO's, please understand it's just the same old middle man. Single Payer is America's democratic method of payment, the improved national health system.

[calnurses]

In California, tell the Gov. to sign SB 840 (Kuehl) into law, which would provide REAL "universal care" to every Californian. Nationally, we need to get behind HR 676 (Conyers), our nation's cure to 'SiCKO'. The people of this great country must RISE UP and FIGHT for our RIGHT to GUARANTEED HEALTHCARE for EVERYONE, for life. No human left behind!

[bluenote71]

Everyone: I just wrote a letter to my congressman, urging him to improve our health system, and I haven't lived in the US for 4 years (though still a US citizen). If I can do something, so can you. If you walk out Sicko hoping that you'll get better health care, but then do nothing, then you will have wasted the momentum created by this film. We must act now if you want change!

[bluenote71]

Hey folks - watching a movie won't bring us health care, as you know. It's time to act. This is the big enchilada. Universal health care will not be given to us without serious effort, as the HMO industry will fight it tooth and nail. Ask yourself how did slavery end? How did we get labor laws? How did women get the right to vote? All came through organized action - they were not gifts. Together, we can do it. I'm gonna start writing letters to whomever I can.

[dane3026]

"...the HMO industry will fight [against Universal health care] tooth and nail"? They're not the only one. I will fight against it too. If you don't like how HMOs ration out healthcare, it will only be worse when the gov't rations out healthcare. You MUST READ Dr. David Gratzer's book "The Cure: How Capitalism Can Save American Health Care"

[vermontbound]

Our country's forefathers could not have imagined so much greed and corruption would one day take our citizens hostage. Let's not waste the chance to reinvest in our people and make the American way of life meaningful again by declaring "quality of life for all"!

[arkykat]

Whoooo Hooo!!!

[RN4MERCY]

This film is going to ignite a people's revolution! IMAGINE: Healthcare Justice, Guaranteed Healthcare for All. Politics that matter...Government for the People. Those nurses witness such pain and suffering each day...awesome that they can have a little fun too, as the conscience of the nation. Thank you, Michael Moore for speaking truth to power! We shall overcome.

[dane3026]

"...nurses witness such pain and suffering each day..." and "Guaranteed Healthcare for All" is going to fix that?