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  • Good! So the problem is what exactly?

  • well, the chemicals in that pill do stop a pregnancy AFTER conception, so yes it is an abortion.

  • @PrincessBecca04 ,women have to go through a medicalexamination after being reped because their life and/or health may be in danger from having caught hiv/aids or other stds from the rapist

  • @Janvierireland,

    I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here.

    Women who are raped to not HAVE to undergo a medical examination after being raped. If they choose to report it, an exam is usually done. However, if the woman does not want to report the rape for whatever reason, obviously a medical examination is done only if she chooses to go to a doctor and pays for it herself.

    Feel free to message me if you'd prefer.

  • The doctor or nurse doing the medical exam would be caring and sympathetic.Unfortunately there is a small minority of women who will lie by saying they have been raped to get the morning after pill to aid their promiscuous lifestyles.

  • @Janvierireland Why should they lie? It's legal.

  • @kirbienstien

    Conception can occur less than an hour after sex, whereas a pregnancy test is only going to be really accurate once a period is missed - which can be a month later..

    I suggest that if you are going comment on threads like this, you educate yourself as to the science of human reproduction and development.

  • Thank you for confirming that this human pesticide terminates pregnancies.

    It of course also prevents pregnancies.

    There is no way to know for sure which happened, unless of course you want to inspect your menses for an embryo - which I doubt at that point many of us would want to do.

    Also, you forgot to mention that these pills cause ectopic pregnancies, which in turn lead to abortion also.

  • Haha you want these nutters to learn facts? ROFL.

    Good one, good one.

  • "National Institute of Cancer" ?!

    LOL

    In your desperation to suppress the medical science, you're really making an ass out of yourself now..

    Where does ANY medical organization say that estrogens and progestins do NOT cause breast cancer. Show us all your weird science where magically steroids stop causing cancer because of your politics.. Show us.

  • NOt only are you crazy, you're damned unpleasant.

  • This death pill should be called the kill pill! Poor little babies who have not yet toddled down the fallopian tubes and found a snuggley home in Mommy's uterus are already in grave danger WITHOUT this murder pill. Did you know that some 30 to 50% (or perhaps more!) of those poor children never make it to the womb? They are lost and go to heaven to be with Jesus! So this death pill may cause even more precious darlings to be lost! This pill is pure evil.

  • In 1960, one in 25 women in the USA got breast cancer. Now it is 1 in 5 - and we lead the world in breast cancer. the pill also causes cervical cancer, heart disease, and liver cancer.

    It works after conception also, therefore it is an abortion pill. With 26 million dead from AIDS, and 3400 aborted a DAY in the USA alone, and with all the cancers, clots and disease caused by female steroids - the sexual revolution has proven to be the most efficient killing machine in human history.

  • @YourHumanRights It's not sex by itself. All people have to do is look for natural birth control and test your partner for any stds before you sleep with them. It's the year 2011 people should not be catching stds and having unplanned pregnancies.

  • im only for this if the girl gets raped. other wise thats horibule

  • WTF does any of that have to do with each other? Breast cancer? Cerebral palsey?

  • Progestin (Plan B) has been proven in medical studies to cause breast cancer. It is a dangerous steroid that also causes cervical and liver cancer. 1 in 25 women got breast cancer in the USA when the pill arrived in 1960.

    1 in 8 get it now. We lead the world in breast cancer.

    These pills do not always complete the killing effectively. They cause ectopic pregnancy and preterm births with birth defects also - just like a history of surgical abortion does.

    Check the links on my profile.

  • "Progestin (Plan B) has been proven in medical studies to cause breast cancer."?

    EVIDENCE PLEASE?

    All your links are one sided. How about some meta data? You simply picked all the negative studies that you agree with.

  • methinks the problem here is that you just don't want to believe the very obvious and real mechanisms of action, and the resulting catastrophic numbers.

    I have plenty more links but can't fit them in my profile. The Mayo Clinic study was the largest meta data ever compiled. There are no sides in menical science. But there has been a concerted attempt by the AMA (which IS the abortion industry) to keep the facts quiet.

    USA now leads the world in breast cancer. Steroids cause cancer !

  • I don't want a real mechanism? I really don't care. YOU want the mechanism, YOU want the morning after pill to cause cancer. YOU want these in order to promote your cause. Then of course you claim the ol' conspiracy theory that the AMA is doing because, hey, lets admit it, people love conspiracy theories. X-Files did run for 9 seasons. You make all these convoluted connections like the US leading in breast cancer. So what? There could be many more reasons for that, that you can't even think of.

  • Journal of the American Medical Association:

    Conclusions Relatively short-term combined estrogen plus progestin use increases incident breast cancers, which are diagnosed at a more advanced stage compared with placebo use, and also substantially increases the percentage of women with abnormal mammograms. These results suggest estrogen plus progestin may stimulate breast cancer growth and hinder breast cancer diagnosis.

  • Well that's a nice quote mine, but even when you cherry pick the juicy parts it still only suggests it may stimulate cancer growth. I would put money on it that you left out the part where more study is required.

  • These real world facts were kept pretty quiet for a while, but with the internet even the abortion industry (The AMA, ACOG) has been forced to accept the science that they knew all along. Compare breast cancer rates in countries that consume the pill en masse and those that never did. POW ! Irish and Japanese examples also (pill was illegal there until late 80's - early 90's)

    Now google "progestin hypospadias" and see why the prostate cancer has gone thru the roof. Males get deformed by it.

  • Hold on a second. There are dozens of types of contraceptives each with their own risks. This video is about the plan B progestrin only emergency contraceptive pill. Now you are talking about the birth control pill? Which one? Then you go on about prostate cancer risks in men AND you tell me to google it? Googling isn't exactly the way to find the truth. Just google Flood Geology, Expanding Earth Theory, and 9/11 conspiracy if you don't believe me.

  • Intelligent people (those who refuse to open their eyes if they see something that goes against their politics, can easily discern scholarly articles from doctors fropm partisan propaganda.

    Google "progestin hypospadias"

    this human pesticide also causes birth defects, especially to male offspring. Again, it makes perfect sense, and the numbers are conclusive.

    You can NOT keep women in the dark about medical science forever !

  • Look I did something better than googling it. I looked up progestin and hypospadias here is what I found.

    Hypospadias has suspected causes including; phthalates, DDT, and polychlorinated biphenyls

    In 2008, it was suggested that maternal use of diethylstilbestrol, a synthetic estrogen, resulted in a 20-fold increase in prevalence of hypospadias although a followup study showed the risk, though present, to be much lesser.

    So you base your claims on one study that later turned out incorrect?

  • even in your own response

    "showed the risk, though present"

    And I bet you searched long and hard for any news that fits your ideology. But biology does not conform to ideology - and hypospadias is just one birth defect to male parts that progestin causes.

    who gave you the right to give a child birth defects ?

    Is that you somehow holy "right to choose" too ?

  • You're grabbing at straws. Don't you see? Birth defects can be caused by so many things and when there is enough evidence something is done about it. We outlawed PCBs and DDT despite there economic usefulness. Do you honestly think that the birth control lobby is bigger than the pesticide or chemical industry lobby?

    I don't have the right to give children birth defects. Why would you think this? Throughout history how many consumer products have caused birth defects? No one does it on purpose.

  • No, I am exposing you as someone who is AOK with creating more birth defects by supporting very dangerous steroids that cause them. All for your vicious politics and profits. You have admitted it yourself. All you can do is say "oh, well, other things cause them too."

    What a cruel, horrrible person. If only it was you who had to face a life of cerebral palsy instead of your victims..

    The abortion and pharmaceutical industries have merged, btw. The maker of RU-486, plan C made the nazi gas

  • Mayo Clinic Meta Analysis..

    CONCLUSION: Use of Oral Contraceptives is associated with an increased risk of premenopausal breast cancer, especially with use before First Full Term Pregnancy in parous women.

    Me:

    If you simply cannot handle the medical facts, than that is you being a very corrupt and cruel person - and a great enemy to women's health - like the rest of the killing lobby.

    Steroids cause cancer - DUMMY !

  • You took a legitimate study and made your own conclusion. Steroids DO NOT cause cancer. They MAY increase your risk of cancer. The study also says "especially with use before First Full Term Pregnancy in parous women" if you already had a pregnancy your risks are lowered. Why do you ignore the facts? If they caused cancer like you keep saying, then the study would have just said it instead, you translate them to all women regardless WILL get cancer if they use oral contraceptives.

  • Gives males the pill? That would be a technical challenge because men have millions of sperm and women have only one or 2 eggs at once. It's not about morals it's about biology and numbers.

  • if you didnt want the baby DONT get knocked up in the first place!!

  • it's not that simple.

  • Sure it is....Don't have sex if you're not ready...it IS simple, but the selfish need to have sex for pleasure is stronger than that of the reality of what the sex act is for...MAKING BABIES! If you're not ready, buy a dildo!

  • well said

  • Having sex for pleasure is not selfish. It has been proven to reduce stress and increases your general health. I do it all the time and I love it.

    Recreational coitus FTW!!!

  • No you're right it is a stress reliever. But only when you're ready to deal with the consequences afterwards (if you're so unlucky) So why kill something that came from something so beautiful as sex? It's simple...you don't want babies, don't have sex, no contraceptive is 100%. Masterbation also works wonders too...you should know ;)

  • Well I agree masturbation does work wonders but I will tell you that taken correctly contraceptives are about 99.99999% and I know from experience. I had unprotected sex with a nice young girl for about a years regularly several times a week and no pregnancies. So while it is not 100% I would have to have sex several times a week for decades to get a pregnancy. I like those odds.

  • or get an abortion

  • i think if someone has sex they should take their responsibility of the "unwanted pregnancy"

  • The fetal brain starts growing at about 3 weeks gestation. Soon after the heart beat is something you can see. Obviously meaning that they are alive and can feel pain.

    You are denying yourself if you deny that babies are human, and not deserving of death.

  • agreed

  • people shouldn't be giving you thumbs down for facts.

  • I urge everyone anti-abortion person to contact their U.S. Congressman/woman and contact them regarding F.O.C.A., the so-called Freedom of Choice Act. If instituted, this will overturn every restriction on abortion and make abortion on demand a "sacrament." Let them know that you will not vote for them again if they vote for this atrocity of a piece of legislation. Call 202-224-3121 and ask for your representatives number or contact them via email on their websites. God bless.

  • wait... a virus is dead (if it were dead, how would it attack human bodies? Human sperm, human ova and human eyelashes are alive... are these nutjobs attempting to claim that these things are not human"

  • people cannot stand to hear the truth.

  • speaking of the confused people who can't decide when life begins, it's double murder if a pregnant woman is murdered because there is a second life inside of her (do they even specify how old it needs to be?), yet she can murder the life herself which is perfectly lawful today.

  • This law actually supports the rights of the pregnant woman. Not only because there are exceptions for a woman terminating her pregnancy and the doctors who perform these procedures; but it enforces the notion that the pregnant woman alone gets to decide the course of her pregnancy. If someone murders a pregnant woman who is attempting to bring her pregnancy to term and her fetus dies as a result why wouldn't we charge that person to the highest measure of the law?

  • Yes we should.

  • Not only do these "contraceptives" kill the unborn (often unknowingly to the mother) but they increase the risk of many deadly disease such as breast cancer by over 40%. I hope these companies that produce this poison get sued out of existence. May God have mercy upon us.

  • Wow, where are you getting all this propaganda? From the 700 Club? You just made me have an idea. When I get my law degree, I'm going to go to law school to defend pharmaceutical companies that create these wonderful substances that allow women to choose their own reproductive destinies!

  • Life begins at conception. That is a scientific reality. The morning after pill and all forms of artificial birth control prevent the new human life from implanting in the uterus. This is called a chemical abortion. So yes, the birth control pill, IUD, Depo-Prova, Ortho Evra, Nuva Ring, Plan B, morning after pill and the "mini pill" to name a few all cause chemical abortions and are all forms of murder.

  • The saddest part is women have been so misled that they don't even know these "contraceptives" are killing their unborn sons and daughters. These "contraceptives" also cause health risks such as a 40% increase in the chance of getting breast cancer, and a huge increase in the possibility of stroke. Be good to yourself and practice abstinence.

  • If you wisely choose to stop taking this poison you should know it can remain in your body for quite some time. If you are married and took this poison you should wait at least 3 months before trying to have a baby. The poisons left over in your body from these "contraceptives" increase the chance of miscarriage and deformities even after you stop taking them. These "contraceptives" are a grave evil and should be shunned by everyone.

  • Does masturbation count as abstinence? I have a better idea. Have monogamous sex with your boyfriend/husband (one partner at a time to prevent disease, please), practice birth control and if you get pregnant and don't want kids yet, just have an abortion.

  • what do you mean by "life?" Scientist, scholars and theologians have been unable to define what constitutes "personhood" so your statement is your personal belief, not fact. Some people just happen to believe that "life" consists of more than merely dna.

  • our new president doesn't even know when life begins either. "it's above my paygrade."

  • If you are 4 weeks pregnant, does this pill still abort the baby and kill it??

  • And by the way, if they presented a law that the american public could vote on making abortion illegal except for the health of mom or rape or incest, Iwould vote to make it illegal! its really not that hard to say no to sex, some bitches have no self control,wanna have theircake and eat it too. abortion is NOT birth control.

  • Hmmm, abortion controls births, therefore, its birth control. Not a very efficient form of birth control and shouldn't be practiced as such except as a last resort, but yes, if you want to get down to brass tacks, its birth control!

  • It's actually very efficient. Although, I doubt many women would opt for a medical procedure in lieu of say... the pill or a condom.

  • I am not saying that all women are promiscuous,but there are some who are just reckless about their own self-worth and just rely on this pill after a fling often when drunk and it is just irresponsible to be aiding that kind of behaviour by giving artificial contraceptives.The effects of the morning after pill are terrible,vomiting,heavy bleeding,headaches,emotional effects and it cannot be taken lightly.

  • I do know that even if a rape victim has conceived that the early embryo or zygote would be expelled but the aim is to prevent conception for a rape victim.This presents somewhat of a moral dilemma for me but I have stated my position because I feel that consideration should be there for the rape victims too.That being said some rape victims might refuse to take the morning after pill and that is a valid choice.

  • However ohnoher,I disagree with abortion after two weeks of pregnancy whether it was from consent or not.

  • I disagree with abortion after the first month, but as far as the morning after pill goes, well just have to agree to disagree I suppose.

    I really dont believe that the availability of a pill like this one would increase promiscuity, although to be honest, I dont think that promiscuity is the absolute worst thing in the world.

    I would like to ask though - if sex is, as you say, for procreation only, then does that mean that people that are infertile shouldnt be allowed to have sex?

  • A lot of women and girls dont know about the severe side effects of this pill and so they go out and have a 'one night stand' thinking that this pill is a quick fix and guys who dont have to pick up the i.e don,t get pregnant and so these attitudes would increase promiscuity.

  • Promiscuity is a negative thing for a number of reasons including (1)it disrespects women(2)when contraception fails particularly in a fling the responsibility of a baby is left entirely on the woman because most contraceptives are used on women(3)when condoms fail promiscuity causes people to catch stds or hiv/aids(4)promiscuity causes disrespect and degrading of human sexuality-an 'anything goes'attitude when sexuality should be for committed mutual love

  • I do not think that infertile people shouldn,t have sex,it is not deliberate that they cannot have children.So there isn,t anything wrong with infertile people having intercourse as long as they are married or definitely will marry and love each other.

  • Also I completely disagree with abortion at all stages if it resulted from consent and I also disagree with abortion after a few weeks of conception even if from rape.The morning after pill is highly risky but to avoid conception for a rape victim which is preferable to eliminating a zygote in a rape victim.This drug could cause death.

  • My point is that it's absolutely no different if a rape victim has an abortion than it is if a female who had consenting sex has an abortion. An abortion is an abortion.

  • There never should be abortion in the stages after the first week no matter how the pregnancy happened and I also disagree with the giving of the morning after pill for those women who consented to sex.Giving the morning after pill to rape victims IS different from giving it to girls and women who consented-majorly.

  • I guess I just don't see how it's any different. It appears that you're saying that it's different because, for the female that consented to the sex, it's her 'fault' that she's pregnant, and she now must suffer the consequences, the consequences being that she must now become a mother. I don't agree with this view because really, a child should never be someone's punishment for making an error in judgment. That's not a good attitude to have for either party.

  • A baby or a pregnancy is not a "punishment" ever for having had casual or other consensual sex,lets make that clear.I would not call it consequences-because its not a punishment- its the natural or inevitable result of sexual intercourse like 1=1=2.Its not true that she must become a mother because there is adoption.

  • ohnoher,its not so much her fault(I would say that the woman and the man are responsible for the occurrence of the pregnancy-responsibility I think a neutral term)-its just unnecessary to give this pill when out of her own free will she had sex and everyone-male and female alike should know that sex makes babies,-

  • If you don't believe a woman has a right to kill the genetic material of her oppressor, then it follows you don't believe any man or woman has a right to kill in a just war or in self defense. Killing is killing.  Is that your position?

    I guess to you, any woman I can bring down and impregnate is forced to carry my child to term. Much like a wildebeast.

    I'm completely anti-abortion. I'm also anti-killing, but I make an exception for just wars and self defense.

  • (contd.)the morning after pill is not something to be taken lightly because of its severe side effects on the woman and it is also a cause of potential death for the woman,so it s irresponsible for medics to be giving it to women.

  • You do realize most women do not know theyre pregnant until they miss a period, which is to say, a month pregnant. Least that's what i've always heard.

  • "You do realize most women do not know theyre pregnant until they miss a period, which is to say, a month pregnant. Least that's what i've always heard."Yes I do realize.For a rape victim,the morning after pill,s aim is to prevent pregancy-its not about finding out whether she is pregant or not.Some rape victims would refuse the morning after pill and choose to give birth to the baby.

  • E.C. kills babies. The "pill" is a large dose of hormones and can kill a woman. There are so many health risks with these things. If people would save sex for marriage like God intended and we ALL followed God (America claims to be 76 percent Christian but it's more of a story than a reality to them) abortion wouldn't even be an issue. Okay, if 76 percent of Americans claim to be Christians, how is all this legal?

  • so the 3 reasons why I disagree with the morning after pill for women and teenage girls who consented to sex are 1 it is harmful nd therefore should not be taken casually and 2 its availability could encurage promiscuity by both genders and 3 it encourages men to see women and girls as sex objects instead of human beings.

  • YourHumanRights,And also rapists get very short sentences,when I think that they should get 30 years or more-maybe even life.

    Having said that,abortion after a few weeks or months after the pregnancy does not cure or lessen the effects of the rape,as some feminists and others seem to claim.-Or give the woman her life back-counselling would help.I know you mostly agree with what I have stated but I,m just putting it out there,what I think should and should not be done.

  • YourHumanRights,To prove a rape, the victim should be examined by a doctor and the doctor would have a medical record of the various injuries that the victim suffered-this is needed to prove the rape for the police and the court system as for some reason -in my opinion-the favouritism seems to be for the rapist.

  • And you will be proving whether a rape definitely occurred a few hours after the event - um - how is that ?

  • I didn,t say that I would be doing the proving or whether I would ever be actually able to bring about whether the morning after pill would be given only to rape victims but I am just stating that I think the morning after pill should only be given to the proven rape victims.

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  • "I will maintain the utmost respect for human life from the time of conception; even under threat, I will not use my medical knowledge contrary to the laws of humanity.. Similarly, I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. I will...do no harm."

    Hippocratic Oath/Geneva Convention/Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

    Peace begins in the womb.

  • YourHumanRights, thank you for your comments!

  • I think that the Hippocratic Oath has been got rid of because of the pro"choice" people seem (at least to me) to be in control of western society and they have deleted the reference to a doctor refusing to 'perform' an abortion.This is political correctness of an extreme type.

  • It has not "been got rid of." It is still the LAW in most all western countries. It is still enshrined in the UN charter, as well as the laws of several member states. It is the basis upon which lawsuits against governments are founded and pursued. As with 1943, there are those for - and those against. the killing lobby became very powerful again in the 1960's. It is up to people of conscience to defeat them once again. It is still very profitable to kill.

  • Accidents happens all the time even with safe sex somethings condoms and the pill fails, yet no one should be forced through a pregnancy.. the morning after pill could be your only safe option. What if a young girl got raped.. would she go through the 9 months or take the pill? this is pro choice. you cant make videos to change someone minds just cause you dont believen it. what would happen if you got raped hmm? exactly

  • AngelicAcid453, when you choose to engage in sexual intercourse, it is not an accident if you get pregnant, that is natural -- not an accident. There is no such thing as "safe sex" in that birth control methods are limited in what they can do. The Church also teaches that artificial birth control is wrong. Very, very few abortions occur because of rape. It is just a prochoice device to justify their own abortion. Abortions are also not justified in the case of rape. 2 wrongs do not make a right.

  • What i dont like that people do is confuse abortion as a birth control method. there are ways to protect yourself of course. This is a womens choice of course. people shouldnt make her feel bad for what shes doing. i think the men should have say so if they want to keep there child, even though its growing inside her body it belongs to him as well. which isnt all that fare.

  • "safe option" LOL fever, puking, bleeding, and a permanent increased chance of various cancers from these very powerful STEROIDS. Your body knows better than to take this crap. That's why it tries to get rid of it however it can.

  • I would like to make clear that I oppose abortion and the morning after pill for women who have had consensual sex.Not every time there has been sex,whether consensual or non consensual is there a conception,the morning after pill if taken within 3 days prevents conception.YourHumanRights,are you a man or woman?

  • By no means is the morning after pill a safe option,I have actually read of feminists recomending this pill to be taken unsupervised-which I strongly disagree with- because the pill is potentially fatal and causes bleeding and often the other side effects you mentioned.There is no way that a woman or teenage girl who has chosen to engage in sex should be given this pill-only rape victims and also never in later stages of pregnancy

  • Why is it that rape victims are any different than any other woman/girl?

  • Rape victims are different from other girls and women who had sexual contact Because they did not consent to sex,the purpose of sex is for procreation and if a woman or teenage girl chooses to have sex she chooses pregnancy because not only is sex for procreation-for sexual intercourse is the start of one and the sam process that is reproduction.With rape she did not choose to have sex and it fillows that she did not choose to get pregnant-although pregnancy may not always happen from a rape.

  • Some rape victims do choose to go through with pregnancy and there is justification for taking it within 3 days in order to prevention conception.But there is no justification for the morning after pill to be given to anyone who had consensual sex.Abortion is a way for men to use women as if they were sex objects without having to take responsibility i.e fatherhood etc.Sexual intercourse(esp. when chosen) is for procreation and both men and women should face that reality,like it or not.

  • I for one have nothing nice to say about people who sell cancer and abortions for a living. I will not mince my words on their behalf. They have been doing their dirty work in the shadows for too long. Steroids kill mothers and children alike - not to mention the birth defects. What do you know what did or did not happen to me ? And what am I missing about human rights ?

  • I will maintain the utmost respect for human life from the time of conception; even under threat, I will not use my medical knowledge contrary to the laws of humanity.. Similarly, I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. I will...do no harm."

    Hippocratic Oath/Geneva Convention/Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

  • MsFannyAdams, there is always the choice to not murder the unborn baby.

  • It's down to the choice of the woman. You cannot take her rights away. Human Rights dictate that if you were to grant overall rights to the baby - that is to say, the right to human life, you are thereby taking the 'mothers' rights away. There are many reasons why abortion/contraception is used. I think people need to step out of their teeny worlds to realise, not everything, not everyone, is perfect. And before you say, yes I've had experience. So I know what I'm talking about...

  • MsFannyAdams, you are wrong. The unborn baby's right to live does not take away from the rights of the Mother. The Mother does not have the right to murder her own child.

  • If you show me this in legislation, I would be more than happy to agree with you. However, upon many debates I have had about his in many seminars, I believe it is you that is wrong and that the Human Rights Court in Strasbourg still sides with the would-be Mother

  • MsFannyAdams, when one has to explain to someone that they should not murder their own baby --- what do you appeal to? Their conscience? They have none. Their reason? Their reason has been replaced with rationalization of a guilty conscience. How do you explain to someone that it is evil and cruel to murder your own innocent baby? That is why I pray that abortion may stop -- you can only do so much to reach some people. BTW, there is an afterlife, and there is a Judgement Day.

  • I wonder how you know there is an afterlife and a Judgement Day when you are still alive and well enough and I am sure to believe you haven't seen it yet ?

    I think the misconception about this issue is the word 'murder' that is used too candidly here, like Terrorism from Bush. Murder/Terrorism are words used to provoke fear and discontent amongst people who don't know what their CHOICES and RIGHTS are. :) Each to their own Rosary, I value your opinion and response but we are all individuals

  • "In 1980, the court ruled out the foetal right to sue the mother carrying the foetus. In Paton v. United Kingdom, it was discovered that the life of foetus is "intimately connected with, and cannot be regarded in isolation from, the life of the pregnant woman". (High Court of Human Rights - Strasbourg)

  • MsFannyAdams, are you familiar with Roe v Wade? Are you familiar with the legal system of the Third Reich? It was legal to murder Jews. In the USA, slavery use to be legal, etc., etc. The unborn baby never stops being a human being -- and it is never morally justifiable to murder an innocent human being.

  • I hardly think the Human Rights laws dictated by Strasbourg, compare to that of the Third Reich nor the 'legal' system of the USA in certain parts of it's history. You are protected by your laws, and that of Human Rights, are you to pick and choose and dictate to those what is what you perceive to be 'morally' correct. I'm sure if we looked into everyones lifestyle, there would be some sort of misdemeanour. Let those who are without sin, cast the first stone. Was it not said

  • MsFannyAdams, "Thou Shalt Not Kill". All your comments are based on trying to rationalize and justify infanticide, which is probably based on your personal experience of having either done so or promoting so. Better to confess your sins to God, than scandalizing others by trying to promote infanticide to others.

  • rosaryfilms, are you familiar with the fact that abortion was ILLEGAL in Nazi Germany? Look it up some time. In fact, the puppet government we installed legalized abortion. One of the first acts of the hated Nazis was to reinstate the laws against it.

    Now in the US, it's illegal to murder Jews. But it's perfectly legal to murder babies. How ironic that the leaders of the move to legalize abortion were, well, Jewish. Look that up too. You might find more truth than you with to.

  • Ignore my lisp, I meant to say wish.

  • I don't believe I ever said that abortion was a murder of a mass of cells. Nor did I say that I had been pregnant, or that I believed in the afterlife. I find you to be rather un-astonishing in your replies to always use the term 'ironic' when you clearly have a split fence attitude to the whole subject. Instead of coming off self-righteous and superior to other people,it would best to acknowledge that everyone is individual and if we wanted to live in a Draconian world we'd go back 400 years

  • Say, is vacuuming a baby out of its womb considered draconian or not? Or is it just draconian to tell you that you can't? I imagine a child feels much the same way when told not to touch the cookie jar. A live child I mean. Your child didn't live long enough to breath.

    There's no split fence here, murderer. I give you the same consideration you give your baby.

    I wonder if you ever sound 'self-righteous and superior to other people' when you start talking about racism. Nahhh, I bet not.

  • "I don't believe I ever said that abortion was a murder of a mass of cells. "

    Who said you did? I said "abortion of a mass of cells." I said that I (me, Randy) consider murder to be nothing more than 'the abortion of a mass of cells.' See? Perhaps some brain matter of an unwanted child has splashed into your eyes and disturbed your vision. So what I was saying, simple one, is that me murdering you is no more disturbing to me than your abortion of your baby is to you.

  • This is just the best, most logical reply ever.

    "it would best to acknowledge that everyone is individual and if we wanted to live in a Draconian world we'd go back 400 years "

    Hey, if women wanted to vote in 1834, they should have just time traveled forward.

    A telling indication of Fanny's intellectual honesty is that she thinks (or just wishes others to think) that you have to 'go back 400 years' to reach a point in which abortion was illegal. Like, isn't that how it totally was?

  • abortion was not illegal in nazi germany, it was encouraged for those the nazis deemed as subhuman, actually. also its never right to murder anyone, whether its unborn infant or full grown adult, they're both wrong.

  • I don't think murdering you is, well, murder. I just consider it the abortion of a mass of cells.

    You deserve the same consideration as you give your child. How deliciously ironic that the only person involved in this who could positively speak as to whether or not there is an afterlife is MsFannyAdams' dead fetus.

  • The other thing is that I have actually read from a Feminist article a few years ago that they recommend a woman taking a morning after pill at home and on her own-this is dangerous as the woman could beed to death.The only justification for it is within 3 days for a proven rape victim under a doctors supervision in a hospital.Morning after pills should not be made available to those who chose sex.This is just common sense.

  • What if the baby to be aborted is a female? How do her rights survive the abortion?

    I wonder if your mania for choice extends to say, affirmative action and equal opportunity. Telling me I must hire someone of a certain color seems to limit my right to choose...but I bet you have no problem with it.

    In another post you say you've never had an abortion...yet here you claim to have experience? I'm starting to doubt you 'know what you're talking about.'

  • The only justification would be if a girl or woman was raped and the pill should be given to stop conception and not to kill an embryo that results from a conception.Also this pill should not be given to the promiscuous as it encourages promiscuity.Also I disagree with feminists when they say a woman should take this pill on her own because the pill has devastating side effects on a woman and she could bleed to death without a doctors supervision.

  • This information is incorrect. The Emergency contraception is NOT to be taken more than 72 hours after unprotected sex and therefore there would NOT be a loss of blood in a large enough proportion so as to cause injury or death to the woman. Also, the justification though being your opinion, is extremely prejudicial. What if the couple can't afford the child and accidents happen ? Many reasons as I stated above. Also the pill itself has a 99% success rate, so doesn't always work.

  • We have all been told that sex causes pregnancy/the conception of a new human individual which nine months later is born,so couples who are having sex should have it in mind that sex -as nature intended- is for procreation whether anyone likes it or not and if they chose to have sex,they have to face this reality-both man and woman.If a couple cant afford a child,there is adoption.Pregnancy is hard,but so is life in general.

  • The morning after pill will work, but to me it is nothing compared to having a real abortion. It's just to prevent a unwanted pregnancy. I cried for weeks and weeks about who my babies daddy was and then I relized it was with the man I wanted it to be. My baby was born with a lot of health issues,but my pregnancy was unhealthy too.I had loads of problems..If I had known I was pregnant before taking the pills I would never had taken them.I only did it so I would have someone I don't loves baby.

  • ok I admit I have used the morning after 3 times in last year.The first time I took it was 3 days after a period then I had unprotected sex.Well I didn't get pregnant. The 2nd time I was rapped and beaten then I got home and took the pills.I didn't get pregnant.The 3rd time I was with 2 different guys at the time unprotected so I feared I could get pregnant.

  • Well I took the pills the next day after unprotected sex with the man I didn't wanna get pregnant by and 2wks later I found out I was 7wks pregnant,So it was by the man I wanted to get pregnant by for sure. I was happy but still didn't know who's it was. I had my baby in April 08 and I am doing great.

  • Why Italy why? Ethnic cleansing was the reason, and goal of abortion, but who do the Italians have to preform genocides on? I guess themselves:(

  • Ever heard of karma ? Remember that the CDC, the WHO and even the Mayo institute call pills 50 times less powerful than these a group 1 carcinogen - right up there with asbestos and tobacco. You probably smoke too - which ups your chances of a painful, early death even more. It won't be us defending human rights and women's health that get the breast cancer or blood clots. It will be you and the rest of the dummies who embrace their "right" to destroy themselves - and their children.

  • I do, however appreciate your very mature, well thought out, and decent language in presenting your point of view. Something alot of pro choicers on here should take as a GOOD example of debate:)

  • Unfortunately, Science will not determine ones destination for all eternity,, whether you believe it or not. Each person is given one soul. There are MANY situations not able to be proven by Science,, that's what Faith is all about,, i'll pray you obtain it. Peace

  • Fact: Pregnancy begins when fertilized egg implants on uternine wall.

    Fact: There is no individual "person" prior to the 14th day after fertilization as the cluster of cells can split in two to form identical twins.

    Fact: Contraception is a human right and women are not breeding animals.

  • Says who.. Do you know for a FACT when a person obtains their soul? Sometime to ponder. Peace

  • The soul is a religious idea, unproven by science. That aside, if the fertilized egg acquires a soul from the "moment" of conception, what happens when it splits into two to form twins, does the original soul split into two? Does one of the twins possess the original soul, OR does God take away the soul supplied at the "moment" of conception and issue the twins with new souls?

    Now there is something to ponder about!

  • 1) Bullshit. At conception, YOU were a unique human individual. Sex, hair color, eye color, and even the medical history of both mother and father have been determined. That implantation BS was rewritten by the killing lobby. Just like the nzia did. read the Nuremburg protocol!

    2)Wrong again. Pure lie.

    3)"Contraception" - like "birth control" is Orwellian Doublespeak. These are cancer causing steroids that cause birth defects and kill mothers and children alike.

  • If conception = life, and a human individual, then surely a person cannot be considered dead until the very last living cell in their body dies?

  • "I will maintain the utmost respect for human life from the time of conception; even under threat, I will not use my medical knowledge contrary to the laws of humanity.. Similarly, I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. I will...do no harm."

    Hippocratic Oath/Geneva Convention/Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

  • I took this pill and it doesn't work, my child is now 1 year old lol!

  • then I strongly suggest that you get your child checked out thoroughly. This stuff is WAY worse than smoking or drinking alcohol during a pregnancy. An extreme dose of female steroids during early development like this has been been shown in tests on mice to cause prostate deformities in male offsrping. Good Luck.

  • Yeah, I did and she's perfectly fine, I guess it was just a failure in the drug itself.

  • that's good to hear. It is better that she turend out to be a girl, as obviously this powerful dose of steroids will cause more damage to a male embryo. Tests on mice - none of which the FDA did before approving OTC for this garbage - showed prostate deformities in offsring subjucted to female steroids like Plan B in utero. Thus, prostate cancer has become the most common cancer in men in countries that have had "birth control" steroids taken en masse for decades.

  • it is a fact that the morning after pill can lead to tubal pregnancy so you have to be careful... if you correctly use birth controll pills they work good an not a low dosage

  • I'm really torn when it comes to this subject by right no man or women has the right to play G*D but at the same time..I feel to bring a bay in to the world to be mistreated and harmed be cause it was accident is far worse!!! Thanks for the info..And may we be bless for we know not what we do!

  • progesterone and estrogen (hormones in the pill) continually produced in the placenta. so how could something that the baby its self be making harm him/her? RU 486 induces abortions but the EC pill dose not.

  • Sadly, down the road, many women can't figure out why they cannot conceive.

    Abortion, in all forms, hurts women.

  • no, it does not. my friend (age 17) was raped, and then given the morning after pill (which didn't work) so she decided to have an abortion. she still thinks it was the best decision, and has never regretted it. (this was 8 years ago.) about conceiving later on- she said she's always planned on adopting anyway. what would have hurt her would be if she would have been forced to be pregnant & all the pain, & psychological trauma that comes along with it. how did this abortion hurt my friend?

  • Rape is devastating enough. Add to that the long-term effects of an abortion, when she is mature enough to realize what happened, and that the child paid the price.

    By the time you are my age, if you are not jaded by society, you will see, through your friends. I have many who've had abortions.

    One committed suicide in December 2006, over 30 years after her abortion, at the age of 52, while her husband and teenage children were in the house.

    If you live long enough, you will 'see.'