@alexandra885561 va joué a la poupé petite fille car quand tu va aller en enfer y aura que du feu et tu regretra bien ceci, nous n'oublieront jamais ce que vous aver fait pour les musulmans et les Palestiniens qui on rien fait, le jour ou vous tomberer vs aller regreter, Free Palesine Liberté!!!!!!!!!!
Here comes the Freedom Flotilla 2! Let's see the terrorist zionist entity stop this international human tsunami! Viva Mavi Marmara! Martyrs NEVER die!
palestine never existed. palestinians arent a people they are just arabs from jordania. they have no own history and no language.
the whole idea of palestine is just islamo facsistic propaganda because the jihad wants to conquer jerusalem and the holy land.
and when they have israel they want europe and when they have europe they want america. And so the fundamentalistic goal is to make the whole world one big iran or saoudie arabia, an infantil ugly dirty world without freedom or ideas!
@alexblackdeck israel never existed. israelis arent a people they are just jews from germany. they have no own history and no language.
the whole idea of israel is just zionist fascistic propaganda because the settlement wants to conquer jerusalem and the holy land.
and when they have palestine they want the middle-east and when they want the world. And so the fundamentalistic goal is to make the whole world one big israel or america, an infantil ugly dirty world without freedom or ideas!
only they are afraid to say this BECAUSE of the extremistic MUSLIM jihadis from HAMAS whom terrorize the people who THEY CLAIM their DEFENDING!!!!
the world needs to open their EYES: the palestine conflict is the SAME conflict as the afghan conflict or the iraqi conflict or the sumali or sudan conflict: A MUSLIM EXTREMIST CONFLICT
@alexblackdeck and one .. one more ignorant.. please don't speak on behalf of christians... we don't need you.. the marcel's oud has more eloquence than you will never have. so just listen .. it may help you clean the shit in your ears bring some light to your eyes some love to your heart shaped stone and some freedom to your brain=washed mind. and do not reply to me if you want to serve me this absurdity again.
you know why? because your from an arab culture wich means that you have never learned to think for yourself.
everbody knows that arabs are STILL living in the middle ages with there retarded religious dogmas and there retarded manner in dealing with personal freedom and free speech. Hell must look a lot like the paranoid and frustaded backward middle eastern state wich u are from..ignorance and stupidity in name of alla!
how do you free a people who are just arabs? arent many israelis arabs? then who should we liberate?
isnt your palestinian fantasy just a cover up for anti semitism and religious intolerence? arent the palestinias victim of being politiced by fundamentalistic war mongers? Why does HAMAS leaders drive mercedes while their political oppossers are hunted down by HAMAS death sqauds? ISNT your dream a FACISTIC dream?
@alexblackdeck THERE WAS NEVER A NATION OF ISRAELI WHEN THE ROMANS OCCUPIED THAT AREA AT THE TIME THE JEWS WERE KICKED OUT. PALESTINE IS THE NAME OF THE PLACE IN WHICH THE ROMANS OCCUPIED. THE ARABS THERE ARE CALLED PALESTINIANS. BEFORE THE MODERN ZIONIST NATION WAS SELF DECLARED BY ISRAEL, THERE WERE ARABS LIVING THERE. (CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS). THEY ARE CALLED PALESTINIANS. THEY WERE FOROCED TO LEAVE THEIR LAND. NOW THERE IS A SECULAR JEWISH STATE THAT DOESN'T RECOGNIZE ALL OF ITS CITIZENS.
the romans introduced the name 'palestine' because they did not wanted the country to have a too jewish name because they kept rebelling against the roman occupation.
before the romans came there was the kingdom of israel.
palestinians and muslim extremist like you did not exist at that time, and there was peace and hapinnes.
@alexblackdeck FREE PALESTINE MEANS GIVE THESE PEOPLE THE SAME GODDAMN RIGHTS AS EVERYONE ELSE, AND SO THEY ARE EQUAL WITH EVERYONE ELSE. PEACE, AND JUSTICE FOR PALESTINE. IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR? IF IT IS, THEN ZIONISTS GET THE FUCK OUT OF PALESTINE. ITS NOT ANTI-SEMETIC TO SAY THAT. I HAVE JEWISH FRIENDS. THEY AREN'T ZIONISTS. ANYTHING THAT IS NOT IN THE POLITICAL INTEREST OF ISRAEL IS LABELED ANTI-SEMETIC. FUCK YOU. THE JEWS ARE NOT PERPETUAL UNCONDITIONAL VICTIMS.
PALESTINE HELP IS COMING IRAN HEZBOLLAH RUSSIA CHINA SYRIA SOUDAN LIBYA JOURAN PAKISTAN IRAK NIJERIA VENEZUELA BRAZIL HAMAS ALL THE MUSLIM IN ALL CONTRYS !!! WOW ISLAM IS RIZING ALLAHU AKBAR ISRAHELL GO TO HELL SATANIC PIGS OF HELL ISRAHELL KARMA IS COMING GO IRAN UNRISH URANIUM TO 95% THE TIME IS TICKING FOR ISRAHELL THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN
@alexblackdeck by the way. I'm not Palestinian, Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Israeli, or anything from that region. I simply believe in whats right. And if you look around theres something wrong here. Look around friends. Don't listen to the media, reject most of the history thats been fed to you, and question everything, and never take a side because your family or friends are lined up in that direction. Think for yourself.
well John if you think thinking for yourself is so important you should dismiss the false reasoning of the 'palestinian'lovers. the palestinian cause has been hijacked by islamic extremism long ago.
this means that being pro palestinian automatically puts you in the same corner as HAMAS thugs who terrorize political opposition and us the conflict to enrich temself. It puts you in the same corner as iran, where the dictator speeks of war and nuclear bombs.
countless palestinians are SUFFERING not by israel but by the TERROR of HAMAS! Israel has no choice but tto be hard. israel the ONLY democracy in the middle east! because of all the reasons i just told you i am willing to forgive israel just about everything since extremic islamic terror and problems is also a problem in europe
@alexblackdeck it does not put me in the same corner as anyone. Who gives a crap about Hamas, or the current Iranian regime? There are injustices in the world. There is an obvious injustice occuring here. Many places in th world. Its not anti-semetic to say "Free Palestine", and who does that hurt? What would you do if someone showed up at your door with a bible in one hand and a rifle in the other and said "this bible says my family was here 3000 years ago. Pack your bags and leave" Would you?
- the palestinians denounced many peace treaties in the past and often massively attacked the israelis
- even in india cyprus thailand filipins sudan egypt well almost everywhere peacfully living with muslims is impossible thanks to people like osama bin laden and other extremist. this is a big problem for islam and muslims should denounce these extremist instead of celebrating them.
@alexblackdeck you keep talking about extreamists. You are an extreamist. They turned down "peace treaties" because it meant they'd get the land without water. Meanwhile Israelis would continue to build on Arab lands. And shoddy everything else. By the way, there is no such thing as Israeli Muslims. Thats a big joke to even say that. I'm talking about the people who have had their homes demolmished. Were kicked out of their land. Have to go through checkpoints daily. Dont blame Hamas
@alexblackdeck hahah good one. now go read a book and find out whats really happening. Bin laden was CIA agent. his name is tim osmen. he's hired by the US to make the U.S a profit. people like you are the reason ignorance still exists
@alexblackdeck thats a nice answer skydiverfreefly. I'm not even muslim, I wasn't even screaming. Yet its totally tasteful to wish an entire nation gets an atomic bomb simply because you disagree with their politics and/or their religion. I never suggested anything like that. Senseless war exists on this planet because of people like you.
@alexblackdeck lol sorry to burst your bubble but israel didn't win anything, america wins israel's wars, without america israel would collapse in a second
u either dont know n e thing about islam and join the anti-islamic people without even lookin into islam.its the worlds FASTEST GROWING RELIONG 4 a reason,or yr tryin to cause h8 towards muslims on purpose. how many muslim nations have been butched and massacred by non muslims n al of a sudden were terrorits?? ok we r terrorists AND FUCKING WHT?
Hitler could have saved himself a lot of trouble. Had he dusted off the Qur'an's War surahs, he could have dispensed with Mein Kampf . Replace Arabs with Aryans, Mecca with Munich, and prophet with fuhrer, and the rest remains the same.
The "cruel God of Misery" is a more fitting title for Allahs tormented spirit, anyway. Fear, submission, and obedience take their rightful place in both men's quest to gratify their flesh. The Qur'an and Mein Kampf were inspired by the same spirit and for the same purpose. They are equally false, intolerant, racist, hateful, and violent. While the original disciples of both men conquered much of the world, one poligious doctrine lives on. It continues to inflame terrorists everywhere.
Islam is on the verge of acquiring the weapons of mass destruction it needs to fulfill its destiny. Hitler, Mein Kampf , and Nazism gave us a taste of what awaits us. Unless we come to see Muhammad, the Qur'an, and Islam in the same light and eliminate their influence, the world will erupt in a war more hellish than we can imagine.
Man havent you ever thought of the endless reasons that people of various races or cultural backgrounds aiming to the annihilation of the Jews and the destruction of their culture ? Why do you think that Hitler or Muslims or even other people wants you down ? Try thinking about these things.
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I like to call them Confused, Comatose, and Conceited. In the Confused camp we have Catholics. The people aren't bad, they are just misled. Most are simply ignorant of the disparity between Scripture and Papal teaching. They have been fooled into believing that their Church represents Christ. In the Confused camp, man has hidden God.
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The Comatose are Muslims. Their demonic religion has rendered them ignorant and irrational. Their whole world is upside down. To believe the Qur'an is divine revelation, that paradise is a brothel, and the way to get there is killing, one has to be brain dead. In the upside down Comatose religion of submission, a man created god. Muhammad, who was demon possessed by his own admission, created Allah in his own decadent, destructive, and demonic image.
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While Islam is religion for stupid people, and Catholicism religion for the apathetic, Socialist Secular Humanism is religion for smart people - or at least for those who consider themselves superior. In their New World Order, the elite see themselves as Masters who will lord over their ignorant and accommodating servants in an all encompassing feudal fascist state.
Do we chose ignorance over knowing, tolerance over repudiation, accommodation over condemnation, apathy over engagement?
j ai toujours considerer marcel khalifa comme l un des plus grand artiste arabe ..je l admire bcp..moi je me rapelle de lui dans les annees 78 ou il venait a annaba en cette periode j etais etudiant a l universite ..il chantait mounadhiloun
For your information, a country named Palestine has never existed, and will never exist. Palestinians are simply Arabs, nothing else. And the Koran is simply hate literature, it's the product of an illiterate serial killer (Mohamed). If Mohamed was a prophet, I am the Pope in the Vatican.
Ignorant, le coran c'est la parole de Dieu, Mohammad (ssp) est le plus honnette homme que l'humanité a pu connaitre un jour, c'est toi l'illetré parce que tu ne comprends pas le coran, même ceux qui ne croient pas en Dieux disent que le coran a une beauté de style incomparable. Peu importe ce que vous dites ou pensez, on est meilleur que vous, et l'avenir vous le montrera, on est invincible, par notre croyance et parce que Dieux est toujours de notre côté. GOD BLESS PALESTIN
and you never will a be Pope ... you cannot compare yourself with our beloved Cardinal Ratzinger a "German Pride",ALSO: GIVE ME A FAVOR LIVE THE HOLLY QOURAN ALONE... SHAME ON YOU... ISRAELY BRUTALLY WILL BE DEFEATED,YOU GUYS WIL NEVER CONQUER THE LAND B/C YOU KILL YOUR OWN PROPHET: JESUCHRIST!
According to Sharia law, Muslims are not required to keep the terms of treaties theyve signed with infidels. By their own definition, they cant be trusted.
Islam is a caustic blend of regurgitated paganism and twisted Bible stories. Muhammad, its lone prophet, conceived his religion solely to satiate his lust for power, sex, and money. He was a terrorist.
Predicting what he called the "Day of Doom" was Muhammads most often repeated prophecy. While it did not occur as he foretold in 1110 A.D., it nonetheless came true. Muslims and infidels alike have been doomed by Islam.
Poor you andante735 , how old r u ? u must be in your 15s something like that. still young, and not quite cultured yet ( like many adults though! ) But take a look at books.. good learning, bye :)
@Qwerti60 that's smart reply! The Israelis but not all have Nazi attitude; the Palestinians are not the ones who have had contact or been offsprings of the Nazis, how could be possible that they might be Nazis; being Jewish, it may be possible because our DNA everywhere might be mixed when people travel, as I know that Jewish people lived in North Africa before the coming of Islam.
@Qwerti60 I am sorry, I can not read hebreu; what did you write? Ah when will Israelis and Palestinians make peace and give back to each other what's is due! Do not be so stubborn with each other, I do not mean to be friends or brothers, because you cannot by now because the grudge that exists for longtime; Jerusalem should be displaced or be surrounded by a wall with 3 openings(3 doors), 3 entrances for Christians, Jews and Muslims; do not fight with each other about which religion is better!
There is no dispute which religion is better. There is dispute about the Rights, that the Palestinians demand those thing that the won't get. And that is the reason why Palestine shouldn't exist, because they don't want to have their country. They want to throw all the Jews out of Israel, and that's all. But this won't happend!
@Qwerty 60 Jewish was living in Palestine for a thousand years with the Muslim and Christians in peace so stop giving a shit. stop lying. Free Palestine and death to IsraHell
@Qwerti60 you mother fucker why you sending swearing on private message son of the bitch?? and who told you that we are going to throw all the Jews, some of Jews are friends of us and the hate the son of the bitches like you, for me i will throw you in the rubbish ben,,, hahaha
@catzohra yeah thats right and when Islam have came muslem protect the Jews...have you heared about the inspection courts in spain and what happened to the Jews there and who protect them when they ranaway to the muslims country.
@Qwerti60 the Nazi and the only Nazi are you mother fuckkker you are the Zionist are Nazi murders children killers, fuck you and your IsraHell,,,, Viva La Palestine
@Qwerti60 hey mothe fucker you know who is the real terrorists and who killed more than 1000 of civilian people ( women and children) in the last war in gaza. and who killed thousands of children and women in Dir Yasin, so stop lying son of the bitch and put this bomb in your mother ass son of bich.
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I know more about this issue than you'll ever know if you live to be 100. Bottom line, the arabs dug their own hole, now their people suffer, and Israel continues to prosper and grow, and it's just tough shit if you or anyone else doesn't like it. End of story. Bye-bye.
andante735, please know what you are talking about before saying something! thousands of innocents civilians Palestinians are being killing since the so-called "creation of israel" , who are the fucking animals you mention?! innocent people who were living quietly in their seculary land, or people coming fromother countries to make and develop even more settlement expansion?! It's war isn'it? a long running war, and in such circumstances people would not have to resist the oppressor!!!
Get over it, you're wrong, and Israel is never going away. It's not Israel's fault that you lie, murder, and distort history. Now run along and tell some more lies.
All too often Palestinians feel, in their isolation, the only course is ever escalating extremism forced upon them by the Zionist plunderers - do not forget many many Jews dare not speak out against this evil just as the huge majority of peace loving decent Muslims fear the extremists and the mad mullahs who are dependent on Zionist abuse as their recruiting sargeant. Reasoned, informed, passionate belief in liberty must be cultivated, there are many like me but few are willing to speak out.
"Two gunmen infiltrated a Jewish seminary in Jerusalem and opened fire in a library Thursday night, killing at least seven students police and rescue workers said"
In Gaza City, residents went out into the streets and fired rifles in celebration, after hearing of the attack on the seminary.
"Two gunmen infiltrated a Jewish seminary in Jerusalem and opened fire in a library Thursday night, killing at least seven students police and rescue workers said"
In Gaza City, residents went out into the streets and fired rifles in celebration, after hearing of the attack on the seminary.
first thing the school is teaching the Talmud worse teachings which are racism and considering all Christians or lets say all human beings are not humans and if a Jew killed one of them its like he didn't kill anyone, in another words the Jew is allowed to kill anyone on the face of earth just because he or she is Jew!!!! thats animals teachings not humans...Media is controlled by JEW
Eat shit both of you. How sad that you can't see past the brainwashing that's been done on your minds. By the way, you can think up another antisemtic lie about the Jews, the media control line is old and tired. What a bunch of sad cattle you people are. I feel sorry for you.
And just for the facts- it was the Arabs who punished their people by attacking Israel after it became a LEGAL STATE SANCTIONED BY THE UN IN 1947. YOU CREATED THE PROBLEMS, NOT THE JEWS, NOT ISRAEL-- THE ARABS DID IT TO THEIR OWN PEOPLE. Now Israel defends it's land, and you blame them. Fucking stupid asses--wake up.
Sorry, but I think it was the Germans, and lots before that there were a bunch of people who didn't considered you popular amonsgt them , but blame is good for nothing innit??
you are a jew Andante and I bet on that,,JEWW..search the Talmud teachings if you want the truth or maybe you know what are the talmud teachings anyway because you are a jew.the writer of the talmud teachings is a priest,,.the other thing search the protocol of zion and find out what the you (JEW) are about,,hatered,,racisim and killers of the prophets..they killed most of the prophets and tried to kill the rest..wake up you fox news watcher.
I disagree through valid historical evidence that your country men never bother teaching you, you can see the only reason the pitiful Arab countries send 24 thousand soldiers (shame on them...) is because of the Nakba inflected by the Zionism Regime on the Palestinians...
Call it whatever you want but that was a crime against humanity, and like always who cares about the Palestinians right?
Two gunmen infiltrated a Jewish seminary in Jerusalem and opened fire in a library Thursday night, killing at least seven students police and rescue workers said"
In Gaza City, residents went out into the streets and fired rifles in celebration, after hearing of the attack on the seminary.
FUCK PALESTINIENS JE SUIS CONTENT Q ILS AIT LIBERE LES FOUS DE PRISONNIERS PALESTINIENS CA FERA 1000 BOMBES HUMAINES EN MOINS
alexandra885561 3 months ago
@alexandra885561 va joué a la poupé petite fille car quand tu va aller en enfer y aura que du feu et tu regretra bien ceci, nous n'oublieront jamais ce que vous aver fait pour les musulmans et les Palestiniens qui on rien fait, le jour ou vous tomberer vs aller regreter, Free Palesine Liberté!!!!!!!!!!
Aliboser 2 months ago
vive la palestinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnne!
TheSpindou 3 months ago
Salam <3
TheOrientalDream 4 months ago
FREE PALESTINE NOW
aompes 4 months ago
لن تبقى فلسطين محتلّة-por un estado Palestino ya!!!!--VIVA PALESTINA!
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bulerias81 7 months ago 2
Here comes the Freedom Flotilla 2! Let's see the terrorist zionist entity stop this international human tsunami! Viva Mavi Marmara! Martyrs NEVER die!
Dharani26 7 months ago 2
VIVA PALESTINE!!!!!!
Britz4Gaza 7 months ago 2
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vive israel a mort les terroristes palestiniens
alexandra885561 8 months ago
@alexandra885561 vive palestine et la mort a tous les israeliens oulad la97abe
zanzana9 6 months ago
@alexandra885561
il faut vraiment avoir peur de l'autre pour réagir comme tu le fait petite va !!!
c'est la peur parce que tu sais au fond et tu a peur hein voleurs c'est vous les terroristes le mal incarner
Dieu vous a chassé de la terre sainte condamné a errer !
raquel75lovesmakeup 4 months ago
@raquel75lovesmakeup PAUVRE CON NOUS N AVONS PEUR DE RIEN C EST CELA QUI FAIT NOTRE FORCE AVEC TOUT NOTRE VECU NOUS NE CRAIGNIONS RIEN
alexandra885561 3 months ago
VOUS POUVEZ ENTENDRE UNE AUTRE CHANSON POUR LA PALESTINE EN
ENTRANT CE TITRE DANS YOUTUBE: " Palestine - chanson pour la Palestine - song for Palestine - sionisme "
cette chanson a été conçue par un amateur avec des moyens dérisoirs
MERCI POUR CE PEUPLE MARTYR..
un artisan de la paix
redemption1618 11 months ago
palestine never existed. palestinians arent a people they are just arabs from jordania. they have no own history and no language.
the whole idea of palestine is just islamo facsistic propaganda because the jihad wants to conquer jerusalem and the holy land.
and when they have israel they want europe and when they have europe they want america. And so the fundamentalistic goal is to make the whole world one big iran or saoudie arabia, an infantil ugly dirty world without freedom or ideas!
alexblackdeck 11 months ago
@alexblackdeck israel never existed. israelis arent a people they are just jews from germany. they have no own history and no language.
the whole idea of israel is just zionist fascistic propaganda because the settlement wants to conquer jerusalem and the holy land.
and when they have palestine they want the middle-east and when they want the world. And so the fundamentalistic goal is to make the whole world one big israel or america, an infantil ugly dirty world without freedom or ideas!
jim0watkins 11 months ago
@alexblackdeck you can tell lies but DNA can't ....See the Jew DNA then come and talk about them
mewoone 10 months ago
all conversation a person must have with a zionist is : "Free Palestine" there's nothing else to discuss with those baby killers!
oranaise311318 1 year ago
Christian palestines want peace with israel -
only they are afraid to say this BECAUSE of the extremistic MUSLIM jihadis from HAMAS whom terrorize the people who THEY CLAIM their DEFENDING!!!!
the world needs to open their EYES: the palestine conflict is the SAME conflict as the afghan conflict or the iraqi conflict or the sumali or sudan conflict: A MUSLIM EXTREMIST CONFLICT
alexblackdeck 1 year ago
@alexblackdeck and one .. one more ignorant.. please don't speak on behalf of christians... we don't need you.. the marcel's oud has more eloquence than you will never have. so just listen .. it may help you clean the shit in your ears bring some light to your eyes some love to your heart shaped stone and some freedom to your brain=washed mind. and do not reply to me if you want to serve me this absurdity again.
NoZabuzaKiba 1 year ago
@NoZabuzaKiba
brain washed?
i am not gonna argue with you.
you know why? because your from an arab culture wich means that you have never learned to think for yourself.
everbody knows that arabs are STILL living in the middle ages with there retarded religious dogmas and there retarded manner in dealing with personal freedom and free speech. Hell must look a lot like the paranoid and frustaded backward middle eastern state wich u are from..ignorance and stupidity in name of alla!
alexblackdeck 1 year ago
please dont be ignorant and see what's happening there.
I have one message
FREE PALESTINE
kantakomigokanta 1 year ago
FREE PALESTINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bulerias81 1 year ago
@bulerias81
How do you free something wich never existed?
how do you free a people who are just arabs? arent many israelis arabs? then who should we liberate?
isnt your palestinian fantasy just a cover up for anti semitism and religious intolerence? arent the palestinias victim of being politiced by fundamentalistic war mongers? Why does HAMAS leaders drive mercedes while their political oppossers are hunted down by HAMAS death sqauds? ISNT your dream a FACISTIC dream?
alexblackdeck 1 year ago
@alexblackdeck THERE WAS NEVER A NATION OF ISRAELI WHEN THE ROMANS OCCUPIED THAT AREA AT THE TIME THE JEWS WERE KICKED OUT. PALESTINE IS THE NAME OF THE PLACE IN WHICH THE ROMANS OCCUPIED. THE ARABS THERE ARE CALLED PALESTINIANS. BEFORE THE MODERN ZIONIST NATION WAS SELF DECLARED BY ISRAEL, THERE WERE ARABS LIVING THERE. (CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS). THEY ARE CALLED PALESTINIANS. THEY WERE FOROCED TO LEAVE THEIR LAND. NOW THERE IS A SECULAR JEWISH STATE THAT DOESN'T RECOGNIZE ALL OF ITS CITIZENS.
bulerias81 1 year ago
@bulerias81
the romans introduced the name 'palestine' because they did not wanted the country to have a too jewish name because they kept rebelling against the roman occupation.
before the romans came there was the kingdom of israel.
palestinians and muslim extremist like you did not exist at that time, and there was peace and hapinnes.
alexblackdeck 1 year ago
@alexblackdeck FREE PALESTINE MEANS GIVE THESE PEOPLE THE SAME GODDAMN RIGHTS AS EVERYONE ELSE, AND SO THEY ARE EQUAL WITH EVERYONE ELSE. PEACE, AND JUSTICE FOR PALESTINE. IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR? IF IT IS, THEN ZIONISTS GET THE FUCK OUT OF PALESTINE. ITS NOT ANTI-SEMETIC TO SAY THAT. I HAVE JEWISH FRIENDS. THEY AREN'T ZIONISTS. ANYTHING THAT IS NOT IN THE POLITICAL INTEREST OF ISRAEL IS LABELED ANTI-SEMETIC. FUCK YOU. THE JEWS ARE NOT PERPETUAL UNCONDITIONAL VICTIMS.
bulerias81 1 year ago
PALESTINE HELP IS COMING IRAN HEZBOLLAH RUSSIA CHINA SYRIA SOUDAN LIBYA JOURAN PAKISTAN IRAK NIJERIA VENEZUELA BRAZIL HAMAS ALL THE MUSLIM IN ALL CONTRYS !!! WOW ISLAM IS RIZING ALLAHU AKBAR ISRAHELL GO TO HELL SATANIC PIGS OF HELL ISRAHELL KARMA IS COMING GO IRAN UNRISH URANIUM TO 95% THE TIME IS TICKING FOR ISRAHELL THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN
skydiverfreefly 1 year ago
@skydiverfreefly
another angry screaming muslim idiot.
when iran hezobollah china and syria are your friends you must be an big asshole.
i hope iran gets an atomic bomb, please give israel a reason to level mecca ;)
alexblackdeck 1 year ago
@alexblackdeck by the way. I'm not Palestinian, Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Israeli, or anything from that region. I simply believe in whats right. And if you look around theres something wrong here. Look around friends. Don't listen to the media, reject most of the history thats been fed to you, and question everything, and never take a side because your family or friends are lined up in that direction. Think for yourself.
bulerias81 1 year ago
@bulerias81
well John if you think thinking for yourself is so important you should dismiss the false reasoning of the 'palestinian'lovers. the palestinian cause has been hijacked by islamic extremism long ago.
this means that being pro palestinian automatically puts you in the same corner as HAMAS thugs who terrorize political opposition and us the conflict to enrich temself. It puts you in the same corner as iran, where the dictator speeks of war and nuclear bombs.
alexblackdeck 1 year ago
@alexblackdeck It puts you in the corner of :
anti democracy
anti personal freedom
anti progressive
pro sharia
pro jihad
pro terror
countless palestinians are SUFFERING not by israel but by the TERROR of HAMAS! Israel has no choice but tto be hard. israel the ONLY democracy in the middle east! because of all the reasons i just told you i am willing to forgive israel just about everything since extremic islamic terror and problems is also a problem in europe
alexblackdeck 1 year ago
@alexblackdeck I couldn't disagree more. I'll leave it at that
bulerias81 1 year ago
@bulerias81
you better do that yes
alexblackdeck 1 year ago
@alexblackdeck it does not put me in the same corner as anyone. Who gives a crap about Hamas, or the current Iranian regime? There are injustices in the world. There is an obvious injustice occuring here. Many places in th world. Its not anti-semetic to say "Free Palestine", and who does that hurt? What would you do if someone showed up at your door with a bible in one hand and a rifle in the other and said "this bible says my family was here 3000 years ago. Pack your bags and leave" Would you?
bulerias81 1 year ago
@bulerias81
thats not reality. reality is as follow:
- jews where always present in israel, even tough their number where limited by british
- many of jews in israel are arab
- 1/3th of the israelis is muslim, and they have more freedom than any muslim in the middle east
- about 2.000.000 israelis are from countries around the middle east like jemen marocco, from wich they are often violently driven by extremism
- living together is impossible thanks to muslim extremism
alexblackdeck 1 year ago
@alexblackdeck
- the palestinians denounced many peace treaties in the past and often massively attacked the israelis
- even in india cyprus thailand filipins sudan egypt well almost everywhere peacfully living with muslims is impossible thanks to people like osama bin laden and other extremist. this is a big problem for islam and muslims should denounce these extremist instead of celebrating them.
alexblackdeck 1 year ago
@alexblackdeck you keep talking about extreamists. You are an extreamist. They turned down "peace treaties" because it meant they'd get the land without water. Meanwhile Israelis would continue to build on Arab lands. And shoddy everything else. By the way, there is no such thing as Israeli Muslims. Thats a big joke to even say that. I'm talking about the people who have had their homes demolmished. Were kicked out of their land. Have to go through checkpoints daily. Dont blame Hamas
bulerias81 1 year ago
@alexblackdeck hahah good one. now go read a book and find out whats really happening. Bin laden was CIA agent. his name is tim osmen. he's hired by the US to make the U.S a profit. people like you are the reason ignorance still exists
SkaterSam9 11 months ago
@alexblackdeck you have interesting facts. But not of which are reality as you claim.
bulerias81 1 year ago
@alexblackdeck thats a nice answer skydiverfreefly. I'm not even muslim, I wasn't even screaming. Yet its totally tasteful to wish an entire nation gets an atomic bomb simply because you disagree with their politics and/or their religion. I never suggested anything like that. Senseless war exists on this planet because of people like you.
bulerias81 1 year ago
@bulerias81
maybe you should read again to which idiot i was adressing my reaction.
not to you.
but maybe since you found eachother you can exchange email with eachother and be real close?
alexblackdeck 1 year ago
@skydiverfreefly
allah is very powerful.... thats why israel keeps on winning every war even outnumbered 1 to 1000 LOL
alexblackdeck 11 months ago
@alexblackdeck lol sorry to burst your bubble but israel didn't win anything, america wins israel's wars, without america israel would collapse in a second
jim0watkins 11 months ago 4
Marcel Khalif, I thought your are good musician! As a Jew I can say that you are a shame for all the Palestians and Arab music Lovers from Israel!
Qwerti60 1 year ago
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He looks gay.
tonymice 1 year ago
very good music !
I love him !
Stairwaytoheaven06 1 year ago
ohhhh.my palestine we well be back soon
southsidebugsy 1 year ago
loveeeeeeeeee youuuuuuu palestine <333333333
oranaise311318 1 year ago
vive Palestine , je ne vois pas pq c gens débiles évoquent les religions , en tt cas très belle musique
rajad84 1 year ago
FREE PALESTINE
tameramam 1 year ago
والله ابداااااااااع
fl026 1 year ago
Beautiful music
JerusalemHolyLand 1 year ago
IM MORE WORRIED ABOUT BEING JUDGED BY GOD,THAN PEOPLE WHO TRADE IN HUMAN MISERY N WHERE JUSTICE CAN BE BOUGHT.thank u very much
werekilledbycowards 2 years ago
@werekilledbycowards WHAT GOD ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? IS IT THOR? OR PERHAPS ONE OF THE SUN GODS?
THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY SINCE THE BEGINING OF TIME IT IS HARD TO KEEP TRACK OF THEM ALL.
justanoldman1 1 year ago
@justanoldman1 thor thats the god of vikings,and ur masonic leaders worship the sun God.Our god hasnt changed.n never will.
werekilledbycowards 1 year ago
materialclassified
u either dont know n e thing about islam and join the anti-islamic people without even lookin into islam.its the worlds FASTEST GROWING RELIONG 4 a reason,or yr tryin to cause h8 towards muslims on purpose. how many muslim nations have been butched and massacred by non muslims n al of a sudden were terrorits?? ok we r terrorists AND FUCKING WHT?
werekilledbycowards 2 years ago
@werekilledbycowards please, don't type in shorthand. it delegitimizes your very passionate argument.
ColtonBrook 1 year ago
merci marcel khalife pour ce morceaux qui prône la paix
peace and music
satarik 2 years ago
موسييقا عظيمة
raed3dd 1 year ago
enjoy the music et fermez la !
chumati 2 years ago 2
freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee palestine
MyFreepalestine 2 years ago 34
freeeeeeeee palestine
freeeeeeeee isslam
MyFreepalestine 2 years ago 5
Hitler could have saved himself a lot of trouble. Had he dusted off the Qur'an's War surahs, he could have dispensed with Mein Kampf . Replace Arabs with Aryans, Mecca with Munich, and prophet with fuhrer, and the rest remains the same.
materialclassified 2 years ago
The "cruel God of Misery" is a more fitting title for Allahs tormented spirit, anyway. Fear, submission, and obedience take their rightful place in both men's quest to gratify their flesh. The Qur'an and Mein Kampf were inspired by the same spirit and for the same purpose. They are equally false, intolerant, racist, hateful, and violent. While the original disciples of both men conquered much of the world, one poligious doctrine lives on. It continues to inflame terrorists everywhere.
materialclassified 2 years ago
Islam is on the verge of acquiring the weapons of mass destruction it needs to fulfill its destiny. Hitler, Mein Kampf , and Nazism gave us a taste of what awaits us. Unless we come to see Muhammad, the Qur'an, and Islam in the same light and eliminate their influence, the world will erupt in a war more hellish than we can imagine.
materialclassified 2 years ago
Man havent you ever thought of the endless reasons that people of various races or cultural backgrounds aiming to the annihilation of the Jews and the destruction of their culture ? Why do you think that Hitler or Muslims or even other people wants you down ? Try thinking about these things.
AnAncientDeity 2 years ago
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I like to call them Confused, Comatose, and Conceited. In the Confused camp we have Catholics. The people aren't bad, they are just misled. Most are simply ignorant of the disparity between Scripture and Papal teaching. They have been fooled into believing that their Church represents Christ. In the Confused camp, man has hidden God.
materialclassified 2 years ago
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The Comatose are Muslims. Their demonic religion has rendered them ignorant and irrational. Their whole world is upside down. To believe the Qur'an is divine revelation, that paradise is a brothel, and the way to get there is killing, one has to be brain dead. In the upside down Comatose religion of submission, a man created god. Muhammad, who was demon possessed by his own admission, created Allah in his own decadent, destructive, and demonic image.
materialclassified 2 years ago
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While Islam is religion for stupid people, and Catholicism religion for the apathetic, Socialist Secular Humanism is religion for smart people - or at least for those who consider themselves superior. In their New World Order, the elite see themselves as Masters who will lord over their ignorant and accommodating servants in an all encompassing feudal fascist state.
Do we chose ignorance over knowing, tolerance over repudiation, accommodation over condemnation, apathy over engagement?
materialclassified 2 years ago
Aku tok pahe sunggoh, ghapo gak demo dih dok kato, ghapo2 pon .. Allah bless Palestine and free them from the oppression of terrorist Israel.
machangsedap 2 years ago 2
@machangsedap
your god is a fantasy
alexblackdeck 11 months ago
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very relaxing to hear this music.
hornymoun 2 years ago
merci marcel pour tout ce bonheur que tu nous a offert
kame028 2 years ago
j ai toujours considerer marcel khalifa comme l un des plus grand artiste arabe ..je l admire bcp..moi je me rapelle de lui dans les annees 78 ou il venait a annaba en cette periode j etais etudiant a l universite ..il chantait mounadhiloun
kame028 2 years ago
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Jews and Arabs my precious brothers in Abraham
search//:satan-is-faggot.blogspot...
We must now build the 3rd temple JHWH, on Mount of Olives, for our prosperity and world peace
We must create a new world order without:
1-Satanism, 2-pornography 3-bank seigniorage
and enriched by a new universal humanism
Or everything will be destroyed in the 3rd world war, or with major disasters
We must give our children and small children around the world hope concrete:a possible future political SHALOM
humanumgenus 2 years ago
من عمالقة الأغنية العربية، موسيقى جد جميلة و كلمات غاية في التعبير
MohammedAlami 2 years ago 3
Les enfants Palestine sont nos enfants nos pères nos mère faite hommage
Beaucoup de peines nous vous aimons pensons a vous... DIEU vous gardent
salamee1111 3 years ago 7
MRCI à Marcel Khalifa pr son soutien à la cause à la cause palestinienne Bravo
Nass7501 3 years ago 5
i love palestine !! vive la resistance
amine092i 3 years ago 19
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To amine092i,
For your information, a country named Palestine has never existed, and will never exist. Palestinians are simply Arabs, nothing else. And the Koran is simply hate literature, it's the product of an illiterate serial killer (Mohamed). If Mohamed was a prophet, I am the Pope in the Vatican.
realstress 3 years ago
Ignorant, le coran c'est la parole de Dieu, Mohammad (ssp) est le plus honnette homme que l'humanité a pu connaitre un jour, c'est toi l'illetré parce que tu ne comprends pas le coran, même ceux qui ne croient pas en Dieux disent que le coran a une beauté de style incomparable. Peu importe ce que vous dites ou pensez, on est meilleur que vous, et l'avenir vous le montrera, on est invincible, par notre croyance et parce que Dieux est toujours de notre côté. GOD BLESS PALESTIN
ZNINIBA49 3 years ago 4
and you never will a be Pope ... you cannot compare yourself with our beloved Cardinal Ratzinger a "German Pride",ALSO: GIVE ME A FAVOR LIVE THE HOLLY QOURAN ALONE... SHAME ON YOU... ISRAELY BRUTALLY WILL BE DEFEATED,YOU GUYS WIL NEVER CONQUER THE LAND B/C YOU KILL YOUR OWN PROPHET: JESUCHRIST!
odalisca08 3 years ago 5
According to Sharia law, Muslims are not required to keep the terms of treaties theyve signed with infidels. By their own definition, they cant be trusted.
materialclassified 2 years ago
Islam is a caustic blend of regurgitated paganism and twisted Bible stories. Muhammad, its lone prophet, conceived his religion solely to satiate his lust for power, sex, and money. He was a terrorist.
materialclassified 2 years ago
Predicting what he called the "Day of Doom" was Muhammads most often repeated prophecy. While it did not occur as he foretold in 1110 A.D., it nonetheless came true. Muslims and infidels alike have been doomed by Islam.
materialclassified 2 years ago
Rejoice Palestine! Your freedom from barbaric and brutal Israeli occupation is almost here. No more tears!
MeX2004 3 years ago 5
Excellent. Thankyou.!!!
tabea57 3 years ago 3
veryy talented
farida7474 3 years ago 3
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Boooooring boooooring. Good music to fall asleep though.
shlomofeuerwerk 3 years ago
this is the best music not what you it rock and rol
nana1992233 3 years ago
don't listen to it if it'sn boring!
jahlove111 3 years ago
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Dioynsos 3 years ago
Poor you andante735 , how old r u ? u must be in your 15s something like that. still young, and not quite cultured yet ( like many adults though! ) But take a look at books.. good learning, bye :)
Mystarious 3 years ago
am so excited to attend his show in agadir,morocco!! if you can join you ll never regert!!!
kamalchaoui 3 years ago
can't find words to describe this amazing mmusic by amazing arab artist!! lkbir yab9a dayman kbir!! isn't he?
kamalchaoui 3 years ago
!!Marcel Khalife is amazing!! Long live Palestine... Israel exsists only in the minds of thoese who choose to awknowledge it...
tropicalmist999 3 years ago 30
Israel willfuck you stupid arabs!
Qwerti60 1 year ago
@Qwerti60 fuck yourself, stupid israeli!
catzohra 1 year ago
And you must be Jewish or Nazi like all the palestinians
Qwerti60 1 year ago
@Qwerti60 that's smart reply! The Israelis but not all have Nazi attitude; the Palestinians are not the ones who have had contact or been offsprings of the Nazis, how could be possible that they might be Nazis; being Jewish, it may be possible because our DNA everywhere might be mixed when people travel, as I know that Jewish people lived in North Africa before the coming of Islam.
catzohra 1 year ago
אם את יהודיה אז אני מתבייש בכלל לדבר איתך!
Qwerti60 1 year ago
@Qwerti60 I am sorry, I can not read hebreu; what did you write? Ah when will Israelis and Palestinians make peace and give back to each other what's is due! Do not be so stubborn with each other, I do not mean to be friends or brothers, because you cannot by now because the grudge that exists for longtime; Jerusalem should be displaced or be surrounded by a wall with 3 openings(3 doors), 3 entrances for Christians, Jews and Muslims; do not fight with each other about which religion is better!
catzohra 1 year ago
There is no dispute which religion is better. There is dispute about the Rights, that the Palestinians demand those thing that the won't get. And that is the reason why Palestine shouldn't exist, because they don't want to have their country. They want to throw all the Jews out of Israel, and that's all. But this won't happend!
Same me sancearly, Are you Jewish??
Qwerti60 1 year ago
@Qwerty 60 Jewish was living in Palestine for a thousand years with the Muslim and Christians in peace so stop giving a shit. stop lying. Free Palestine and death to IsraHell
SAMSAL10 1 year ago
Lyes are the base of Islam and Christianity, all the world know it. Jesus and muhammad are two dogs as all the arabs
Qwerti60 1 year ago
@Qwerti60 yeah now you are brave behind the computer screen anyway fuck you and fuck IsraHell and VIVA LA PALESTINA :)
SAMSAL10 1 year ago
And you are brave behined all the lies and the killings. Fuck you and all the Arabs. Muhammad is A dog!
Qwerti60 1 year ago
@Qwerti60 you mother fucker why you sending swearing on private message son of the bitch?? and who told you that we are going to throw all the Jews, some of Jews are friends of us and the hate the son of the bitches like you, for me i will throw you in the rubbish ben,,, hahaha
SAMSAL10 1 year ago
@catzohra yeah thats right and when Islam have came muslem protect the Jews...have you heared about the inspection courts in spain and what happened to the Jews there and who protect them when they ranaway to the muslims country.
SAMSAL10 1 year ago
@Qwerti60 the Nazi and the only Nazi are you mother fuckkker you are the Zionist are Nazi murders children killers, fuck you and your IsraHell,,,, Viva La Palestine
SAMSAL10 1 year ago
@Qwerti60 we will see the time between us, you are going to hang your selves
SAMSAL10 1 year ago
You are going to bomb youself fucking people of terrorists
Qwerti60 1 year ago
@Qwerti60 hey mothe fucker you know who is the real terrorists and who killed more than 1000 of civilian people ( women and children) in the last war in gaza. and who killed thousands of children and women in Dir Yasin, so stop lying son of the bitch and put this bomb in your mother ass son of bich.
SAMSAL10 1 year ago
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Qwerti60 1 year ago
vive la palestine
lounela 3 years ago 4
ok you know ...stop ...you are the only one thinking like that, who gives the shitt ...go and live and prosper ....boring thing bye bye
BUJNOST 3 years ago
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I know more about this issue than you'll ever know if you live to be 100. Bottom line, the arabs dug their own hole, now their people suffer, and Israel continues to prosper and grow, and it's just tough shit if you or anyone else doesn't like it. End of story. Bye-bye.
Andante735 3 years ago
☆☆☆☆☆
السلام والحب
willtrib 3 years ago
My mom has an auto-graph of Marcel :-) .
Its impossible to discuss with someone in french when he doesn't speak french.
Meaning: its impossible to discuss with someone in mercy when he doesn't know what mercy is.
Rocks Vs Guns.
Guns Vs planes.
Rocks Vs Guns Planes Tanks = Do you still believe the message that Zionists israel is telling you that 'its the good guy' .
Even worse all the IDF soldiers come home fucked up in the brain... Nice democracy and humanitarian country...
hellboysjd2 3 years ago
Don't forget cutting down orchards - what is the possible security purpose of destroying someone's food supply?
MadtownAlec 3 years ago
Great Marcel. Büyük Marcel.
damt01 3 years ago 2
andante735, please know what you are talking about before saying something! thousands of innocents civilians Palestinians are being killing since the so-called "creation of israel" , who are the fucking animals you mention?! innocent people who were living quietly in their seculary land, or people coming fromother countries to make and develop even more settlement expansion?! It's war isn'it? a long running war, and in such circumstances people would not have to resist the oppressor!!!
Mystarious 3 years ago
Get over it, you're wrong, and Israel is never going away. It's not Israel's fault that you lie, murder, and distort history. Now run along and tell some more lies.
Andante735 3 years ago
free palestiniens et dieu protège les INNOCENTS
sherine11 3 years ago
This was beautiful!
Ger10imO 3 years ago
All too often Palestinians feel, in their isolation, the only course is ever escalating extremism forced upon them by the Zionist plunderers - do not forget many many Jews dare not speak out against this evil just as the huge majority of peace loving decent Muslims fear the extremists and the mad mullahs who are dependent on Zionist abuse as their recruiting sargeant. Reasoned, informed, passionate belief in liberty must be cultivated, there are many like me but few are willing to speak out.
Greg260146 3 years ago
soooooooooo intersting
selwadi 3 years ago
Falastin forever! Free Falastin!
annamari0206 3 years ago
من احلى الموسيقى يلي سمعتها
alasdad123 3 years ago
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"Two gunmen infiltrated a Jewish seminary in Jerusalem and opened fire in a library Thursday night, killing at least seven students police and rescue workers said"
In Gaza City, residents went out into the streets and fired rifles in celebration, after hearing of the attack on the seminary.
Fucking animals.
Andante735 3 years ago
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"Two gunmen infiltrated a Jewish seminary in Jerusalem and opened fire in a library Thursday night, killing at least seven students police and rescue workers said"
In Gaza City, residents went out into the streets and fired rifles in celebration, after hearing of the attack on the seminary.
Fucking animals.
Andante735 3 years ago
first thing the school is teaching the Talmud worse teachings which are racism and considering all Christians or lets say all human beings are not humans and if a Jew killed one of them its like he didn't kill anyone, in another words the Jew is allowed to kill anyone on the face of earth just because he or she is Jew!!!! thats animals teachings not humans...Media is controlled by JEW
alaa1980 3 years ago
Eat shit both of you. How sad that you can't see past the brainwashing that's been done on your minds. By the way, you can think up another antisemtic lie about the Jews, the media control line is old and tired. What a bunch of sad cattle you people are. I feel sorry for you.
Andante735 3 years ago
And just for the facts- it was the Arabs who punished their people by attacking Israel after it became a LEGAL STATE SANCTIONED BY THE UN IN 1947. YOU CREATED THE PROBLEMS, NOT THE JEWS, NOT ISRAEL-- THE ARABS DID IT TO THEIR OWN PEOPLE. Now Israel defends it's land, and you blame them. Fucking stupid asses--wake up.
Andante735 3 years ago
Sorry, but I think it was the Germans, and lots before that there were a bunch of people who didn't considered you popular amonsgt them , but blame is good for nothing innit??
coritoj 3 years ago
you are a jew Andante and I bet on that,,JEWW..search the Talmud teachings if you want the truth or maybe you know what are the talmud teachings anyway because you are a jew.the writer of the talmud teachings is a priest,,.the other thing search the protocol of zion and find out what the you (JEW) are about,,hatered,,racisim and killers of the prophets..they killed most of the prophets and tried to kill the rest..wake up you fox news watcher.
alaa1980 3 years ago
I disagree through valid historical evidence that your country men never bother teaching you, you can see the only reason the pitiful Arab countries send 24 thousand soldiers (shame on them...) is because of the Nakba inflected by the Zionism Regime on the Palestinians...
Call it whatever you want but that was a crime against humanity, and like always who cares about the Palestinians right?
hellboysjd2 3 years ago
He guys, did the music reach your hearts or not? Your comment didn't make that clear..
HitokiriDiaz 3 years ago
Death to Israel.
elliot724 3 years ago 3
vous racontez n'importe quoi. cessez votre provocation et votre haine
quetemonde 3 years ago
روووووووووووووووووووووووعه ولا احلا يسلمو
MrMajhol 4 years ago
palestine is civilizition country,i want the world to know that.....
reda1988iris 4 years ago
We know, more of us do every day.
Bakuninite 4 years ago
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Yes, very civilized-
Two gunmen infiltrated a Jewish seminary in Jerusalem and opened fire in a library Thursday night, killing at least seven students police and rescue workers said"
In Gaza City, residents went out into the streets and fired rifles in celebration, after hearing of the attack on the seminary.
Andante735 3 years ago
Marcel tu es unique, j'adore tout ce que tu fais. c'est magique . kollouna ma3a falastine
princesse7581 4 years ago
عراسي يا ورده
roma404 4 years ago
j adoore son ame son fond ses principes et son existence
nainsam20 4 years ago
What a beautiful song! What beautiful instruments!
funnyvalentine1983 4 years ago
مارسيل خليفة رسول ومسيح الفن
ammannojacku 4 years ago
مارسيل خليفة رجل عظيم
ammannojacku 4 years ago 2
muerte a israel y una vida con longitud a palestin
ZINOUCHA123 4 years ago
than you very much marcel!!!!
LONG LIVE PALESTINE
palestine4eever 4 years ago
Palestine for life!
theFREAK101 4 years ago 2
lovely
supermann910 4 years ago 2
ALLAHU AKBAR PALETINE SHALL BE FREE
kakashifan995 4 years ago
LONG LIVE PALESTINE!
wildsalfate 4 years ago 4