Fantasy v GGPlay Set 1 @ Incruit OSL Semifinals

[toleshaOG]

This is a fucking gay map, Terran is a gay race and whoever put this map in a mappool is a fucking gay!

[Chrijz]

Thanks. Wasn't it a bit dumb to continue mass-building air, when the opponent had massive anti-air?! Bad scouting by GGPlay, overlord should've scouted the enemy buildings close-by..

[rl0u8888]

He probably would have killed more gols if he targeted them instead of hold position and sent in his lings later w/ speed

[RaizaSharpe]

fantasy breathing really deep.

[ceridan01]

wheres set 2???????

[vanillacrem3]

What GGPlay should have gone for the moment he spotted the mass goliaths was to immeidately cut muta production and go hive tech for defilers, sunkening up as necessary to stop the goliaths. Fast dark swarm would buy him the time to take his third base and macro up lurker/lings to break through the eggs and push Fantasy back.

[Luckdragon]

It's really difficult to go hive off of two gas, and low econ zerg have major difficulties in switching tech.

[vanillacrem3]

While I don't disagree, it's such a desperate situation that the tech switch is probably the best option available. Continuing muta production just leads to the slaughter we saw here.

[BenHileday]

Meh I feel the guy won and deserves to be here. It shouldn't always be who is the 'better' player should win.

I beat 250+ apm koreans often enough to say the 'better' person does not always win.

[Doso777]

Just a bad strat by GGPlay. He should have gone for a better eco and a third gas and +1 def on mutas.

Pure 2 hatch mutas just doesnt overpower metal enough.

[Kilithaza]

cholera's mic was really loud (too close to mouth) in this video :/

[xenero]

shouldn't gone lurkers since the goliaths have to march in a congo line throught the eggs.

[FcoKris]

zerg can also push lurkers through the eggs without killing them

[RaiKageRyu]

No luck on plasma.

[BenIGreen]

GGPlay had so much time between when he first saw what Fantasy was doing and when Fantasy actually pushed through the eggs, maybe he could've gone for Guardians. Fantasy had no air at all and GGPlay could've easily made enough scourge to repel whatever air Fantasy could put up while the Guardians wiped out the goliaths and factories.

[jjay75]

lol...keep telling yourself that...

[Ougagagoubou]

Goliaths kinda are the counter for guardians. And they don't really work against any build as other than surprise. You see guardian rush from mile away anyway, he'd have had time to get like 3+ valkyries that would've been guarded well enough on top of goliath mass.

Not like I could give a hint on any better plan. This map is just bullshit, "funny trick" that causes this to work balancewise even worse than monty hall.

[EebstertheGreat]

Goliaths with Charon Boosters absolutely destroy guardians, so that would have been a totally disastrous strategy. I think lurkerling would have been the bane of this build, except that he was working off of two hatches, and Fantasy was moving to tanks (you could see him upgrading seige). The reason mech is so powerful on this map is that with the lurker eggs terran gets plenty of time to expo and tech, and narrow passages for tanks and gols to own. Hence, mech wins and it's terran biased.

[docnightfall]

Lurkers are the most efficient unit for busting through the egg barriers. On this map, it's always a bad idea to skip lurkers.

[BenIGreen]

But wouldn't the Guardians be able to range on the Goliaths and factories from over the ridge?

[flabbikins]

I believe Goliaths are actually the only unit that match Guardian range. There might be something else that is eluding me, but Goliaths definitely match Guardians in range.

[EebstertheGreat]

With Charon Boosters, goliaths have 8 range, which is the same as guardians (as well as carriers). That's what makes the upgrade so important when fighting guardians (or carriers). Actually, the only unit with longer range is the seige tank.

As it turns out, you also need boosters to fight BCs, which otherwise range gols by one hex. So the upgrade literally makes it possible to fight every kind of big air where it otherwise would be nearly impossible.

[z712]

you forget reavers have high range too.

[EebstertheGreat]

Nope, reavers have 8 range, too. And devourers have 7. I actually checked the unit listings.

[xxlightagentxx]

how about going fast defilers with cracklings?

[Hiijonguh]

actually sounds pretty good but how is zerg gonna pull that off when already went muta?

the moment he saw those goliaths he should've build a queen nest, get hive, get defiler mound with consume, and get zergling upgrades?

or what?

[xxlightagentxx]

i think he should've done that while not even bothering with mutas, then he would have gas and more minerals, but I'm not a pro so I might be wrong :))

[johnylaw04]

20 20 hindsight eh

[ACEKING26]

GG from GGplay lol

[Puckstop101]

its was boxer who pushed it against yellow i think

[cntlzw]

great commentary! Thanks a lot!

[clizzaster]

I think it's ridiculous to say that GGplay doesn't deserve to be there.

[Drosis]

great commentary

[kreutzere]

nice job guys. you cant comment enough videos i think so :)) more MSL and OSL^^

[almightyhydra]

It may be possible for other races to sneak units through the eggs: zerg using burrow (burrow a ling and put a ling on top of it then unburrow the first ling and spam move on the second, same should work with lurkers) and Protoss may be able to do it using HT morphing into archon and pushing DT (though that's much harder and pretty much useless).

[S3xybek]

lol -8 this is a comment of what i have seen idiots of youtube.

[LikeAKite420]

good shit keep releasing good vids

[Darkulla]

awesome

[fooodang]

gud job guies

[shoutenry]

NOOO CHOLERA GOT CUT OFF!!! "thanks fo-" T.T i agree completely with Diggity on the "how did he get here" comment XD

[Kakashinoor]

nice

[S3xybek]

already seen on yuotube post different videos please

[unpopeular]

you have no idea how this whole thing works do you?

the videos get posted, then whenever the sc2gg crew have the time to commentate the videos they get posted again.

[lightswarm124]

be happy for them to commentate

[almightyhydra]

Yea, but their commentary is much better than NukeTheStars'. (Nuke isn't bad, but this is Cholera and Diggity...)