Yeah right..Leonard was obsessed with beating Hagler...waited for Marvin to get old...saw Hagler was past his prime against Mugabi, then got brave. just like Mayweather seen Pacquiao couldn't do it to a 38 year old man, NOW wants to fight...
Say whatever you want about Sugar Ray he was one of the best. Man the 80s, Hagler, Hearns,Sugar Ray,Duran,Chavez, etc.and those were jus a couple of middleweights. If you look at stat fights in boxers from the 80s, compared to boxers currently,what a huge difference. I think it was Liston who had as many losses, as some fighters whole amateur- proffesional win/ loss record.Incredible!
@OmarTheGuy I have always thought that same exact thing.Talk about a bitch slap to the face.He gathered 10,000 people there to say that??? Or was this just more hype to promote the fight.
@westside159 Your saying leanord is one of the greats??? he ran even more then mayweather....pacquiao just fights old boxers that have passed their prime, he fought morales and marquez in their prime and see what happenend
To say Matweather isn't one of the greats is just ridiculous. Most people don't like him because he's a doooosh bag, but what does that have to do with his boxing ability??? Mayweather is easily one of the greatest defense artists to fight and for you to think the way you do clearly exposes your limited boxing knowledge. On the other hand, Manny is also a good fighter, although not as talented as Mayweather. Manny has an unbalanced style that will be exposed when these two fight.
@ynotspank1 actually it wont be exposed when they fight...because thats the reason manny is fighting marquez....marquez is going to counter good...so they are gonna use it to figure out what flaws manny has that freddie roach cannot see...so if u look at it the fight against marquez is a way for them to make manny better before the fight agaisnt mayweather
@ynotspank1 I agree with some of the things you said. mayweather is one of the greats for this time. But on paper there so many stars of the 80s that would have killed Mayweather. Ray for example had the speed to keep up with floyd and had great defense but in the class of Ali and Robinson were he was hard to hit because he was so mobile. Unlike Mayweather Ray had faster hands knock out power in both hands and was a great finisher. And Hagler forget about it. mayweather has no chance.
@b7r7u7c7e Floyd never fought at 160... Marvin spent his entire career at middleweight. the two are incomparable. Against Ray Leonard? Seeing Mayweather getting hit with a good shot is few and far between let alone getting knocked down. A prime Ray Leonard's defense was very good and his offense as a volume puncher was great but he could be tagged by skilled fighters (Duran/Hearns)... I'd have Floyd winning by SD like the De La Hoya fight.
its not called running its called intelligent boxing and just like ali-foreman the better "boxer" won and rightly so. you dont stand in front of bruisers and win, you box them, frustrate them, and then outbox them, as both did.
@ouspyyy absolutely! one thing i cant stand is idiots who think that just because you box the crap outta someone they call it ''running'' or he was ''scared''. the point is to hit and not get hit! thats why its called the sweet science.
Both Leonard and Hagler are all time greats. People doggin Leonard for "running" are ridiculous. He did what he had to do. If he had traded with a bigger stronger man with an iron chin he would have been KO'd or taken a terrible beating. I dont like runner but I hate when ppl critize boxers for moving and boxing when its the right thing for them to do. Not everybody is a physically strong and powerful puncher. I boxed amatuer for a little bit and one thing I learned was yo maximize the gifts tha
At Best you can argue it was a draw, but I thought Leonard did more to win this fight, maybe if Hagler didn't fight the first two rounds orttodox history might be different.
Leonard didn't back him up, didn't hurt him, and ran away from him for 36 minutes. I had Hagler winning eight of 12 the first time I watched this, and my opinion hasn't changed nearly 25 years later.
@iljn1988 I get that it was a close fight. Even Harold Lederman scored it the same as you.
Call me a purist in this regard, but I don't think a fighter ought to be able to take the title from a long-standing champion by doing the feather-hands dance. He never once made Hagler take a step back. Leonard was an undeniably great boxer, but I'll never see this particular victory of his as legitimate.
As for Guerra, I still think he was bought. Nothing else explains his bullshit scorecard.
@banderhoos, likewise, I can see the case for Hagler getting the nod, and have no problem with anyone who sees it that way. I'm just not entirely sure that Hagler's aggression was really 'effective aggression' as the old saying goes. He couldn't have fought a worse tactical fight if he tried - he let Leonard settle by fighting right handed, and did get countered more often than he should when he rushed in. I think Leonard showed greater ring generalship and dictated the type of fight it'd be.
@banderhoos Leonard won this fight, watch it, not Legendary Nights, granted one scorecard was ridiculous, but Leonard out boxed and continuously tagged Hagler all night. Of course he didn't hurt Hagler, NO ONE DID, I hate how Leonard is portrayed as stealing rounds. When? Watch the fight itself, Leonard did more than Hagler. They're both great, but Leonard was just a bit greater. And I don't prescribe to the fact that you have to do more than the champ, what kind of level playing field is that?
@banderhoos You're right Hearns did stun him, but few did, still Leonard landed hard clean shots, you're not judged on how hard you punch. If that were the case Paulie Malignaggi wouldn't have a win on his record. He wasn't running, it's called boxing for a reason. Hagler was plotting forward not cutting off the ring and only at times he was effective. Yes he had big rounds, but so did Leonard. Considering it was his first fight as a middleweight AFTER a 3 year layoff, Hagler couldn't beat him?
@banderhoos Did you know that Guerra wasn't supposed to judge this fight. He replaced Harry Gibbs who the Hagler camp didn't want as a judge as they thought Gibbs would lean towards Leonards style of boxing. Funny thing is Gibbs scored the fight to Hagler when he watched it.
In my opinion, Hagler won this fight- I saw this fight when I was twelve, and I was dazed by Leonard- When I saw this fight later, after seeing and understanding a little more about boxing, Haggler is my favourite boxer- The toughest man alive- Sugar Ray is just a poster boy
I agree with the Hagler winning. I think Ken Norton was robbed against Ali AT LEAST once as well. But thats no reason to call Ali or Leonard "poster boys." These guys fought wars in their career against legends.
I love how people love to rag on Leonard for 1 fight but then they go & suck off guys like Mike Tyson. Tyson fought average guys (and a well past his prime legend) when he was champ & got his ass kicked by the Durans, Haglers, and Hearns of his time. Tyson may not have the look but hes the TRUE "poster boy."
Close fight. Neihter clearly won. I had it 115-113 for Leonard. People who say Leonard "Ran" are fucking idiots. It's called Boxing, not running. How is it running when you're throwing punches? There were a few very close rounds, and whoever you gave it to won the fight. The slap in the face was the 119-109 scorecard. That was complete bullshit, there is no way Leonard won 11 rounds.
@PureBoxerP4P Agreed in every facet. I believe it should have been called a draw. Leonard fought the only fight he could possibly win and Hagler made an unwise decision to come out orthodox thus giving away the first two rounds. Had he started out southpaw, which seemed almost a no brainer to me, he might have taken the decision. This is a controversial decision, not a screwjob decision. Very tough fight to score.
Are you Sugar Ray Leonard bashers all smoking crack? I'm not much of a Sugar Ray fan myself, but he took out both Hearns and Duran. Then he came in cold, out of retirement, and outboxed and outclassed Marvin Hagler so bad that he exposed Hagler for the shot fighter he was. If you don't give Sugar Ray Leonard the respect that he earned in the ring, and his props as one of the greatest ever, then you just aren't paying attention.
Ray Leonard fought some of the Greatest Boxers in history. Duran, Hagler, Hearns, Benitez, and many more. Through it all, Ray Leonard was NEVER knocked out. There is no reason to think that Hagler could EVER knock Ray Leonard out.
Ray Leonard out punched Hagler, out landed Hagler, and out classes Hagler. I saw this fight in the gymnasium on Camp LeJeune(Big Screen). Was one of the greatest fights ever. Ray Leonard beat Hagler. As far as being a weak fighter......Ray was a boxer. Would you like to take Boxers out of Boxing??? Then you would deprive us of some of the greatest fights in history. You are clearly an idiot for suggesting it. Either way, Hagler could NEVER knock Leonard out. NEVER!!!
You guys seem to forget that Hopkins is in his 40's now. The guy has no business in the ring and can still hang with them. Calzaghe ducked Bhop and Roy Jones until they got old.
epic fight from the times when the best fought each other not like today.. mayweather pacquiao or kessler vs bute, lopez vs gamboa, ect... money fucked boxing up
lol props to u.. but youve never fought roy jones or leonard.. so untill then its hard to say definantly whos faster. Miguel cotto (world champion, think hes a litter higher ranked than u) said hes just as fast as pacquiao. Should i believe him because he said so. The faster fighter showed up on the night. Not doubting your achvments.. just my opinion as well. Unless youve fought one of them or seen them fight each other live..
@xaviermongoosejr Its a bit of an overstatement to say you know speed or who is the fastest just cause you have over 150 wins amateur (not dishing you that is great achievement) but have you fought the mayweathers, leonards, pacquiaos jones jrs who are the pioneers of speed on the world stage.
@xaviermongoosejr Anyway dont wanna argue just my opinion you have your reasons too.. i just love watching these fights of past legends. i wish pacquiao and mayweather would fight already. Maybe we can see them fight more than once.
@SSTRICK19 no i havent fought those guys but i study them every day because i hope to be at the level someday ( i am only 18 ) but i think i believe that the speed roy jones had is comparable to the speed surgar ray leonard had both great fighters
but yeah pacquiao is great but i am a mayweather fan and that fight needs to happen
@xaviermongoosejr Yeh maybe your right.. if only we could pit leaonard against jones and we could find out who is definantly faster. wow 18. im 19 never had a boxing fight in my life. watching this stuff makes you want to try it. I think mayweather throws 1, 2 punches faster than pacquiao but i think pacquiao throws 5, 6 combos faster than mayweather. might be wrong hopefully they fight.
@xaviermongoosejr Ray Robinson was a middleweight when older and not his prime. A 160 Robinson most likely would have lost to Hagler, but at 147 nobody's ever been better. The only natural MW who could have given him a hell of a fight would have been Carlos Monzon. Ray Robinson is most likely the best p4p fighter ever, but at MW Hagler was the man...
@chifuli1974 i think mavin would have a lot of problems against a prime roy jones jr @ middleweight i think he is faster than leonard maybe the same but roy was strong physically and i dont see hagler running him over
Yes, according to the judges... but I dont think he won... all he did with hagller where flashi punching and run around...... thats not boxing!!!
and with duran, when he tried to fight fight like a man on the first fight he got his butt kicked bad...... the second one where duran quit was just leonard playing his stupid games........ i really think leonard is overrated and i hate his style but thats just my personal opinion......
@r300zxsupras200 While I agree with what you said, I have to disagree a little about Leonard, the problem with him was that he went for too long w/o fighting, but at his prime Leonard was really good..
haglers life can be a movie... life just shits on him and he keeps coming back for more... he should of knew sugar was going to box not fight but i still believe marvin did enough to win leonard won some early rounds but lost the middle ones and towards the end rounds picked it up at the ten second mark to disguise the fact he was making the fight into a track meet
so im gonna shoot you ! In this fight Hagler looked so slow and he didnt do anything to win! He missed so many shots and Leonard truly outclassed him! Cmon show some respect to the true winner! All of you dont know anything about boxing! All of you bitches are thinking that the boxer that moves forward wins! Thats why all of you are saying absolute bullshits like Mayweather lost to Oscar and Ray Lonard lost to Hagler! In both cases the coming forward guys were exposed and they didnt landed shots
I've watched the match countless times, SRL obviously won the early rounds, MH pipped a couple in the middle rounds, but it was SRL late flourishes in that last minutes on the later rounds that was enough to give him the win...close, but no doubt it was SRL's night...he stuck to his plan, picked his shots & didnt slug it out with him... MH paid for it, he fought orthodox at times early in the match and got tagged..
so im gonna shoot you ! In this fight Hagler looked so slow and he didnt do anything to win! He missed so many shots and Leonard truly outclassed him! Cmon show some respect to the true winner! All of you dont know anything about boxing! All of you bitches are thinking that the boxer that moves forward wins! Thats why all of you are saying absolute bullshits like Mayweather lost to Oscar and Ray Lonard lost to Hagler! In both cases the coming forward guys were exposed and they didnt landed shots
hagler shouldnt have won the title in a race hate shithole like england. He deserved to have his moment of glory and england couldnt handle "the black man" beating their bitch
thats not even what it was about england treats any opposing boxer like shit and have no respect for other peoples including americas national anthem there damn immature really.
I think Hagler knew he lost. He's not the type of fighter or person that dances around when a fight is over. Hagler is a murderer a killer, not a dancer. It's Hagler's fault that he lost, he should have known Leonard was going to jump on his bicycle. He knew Leonard was not going to brawl with him. Leonard did his thing.
The fact of the matter is that Hagler should have been able to beat a welterweight who had fought once in 5 years, and who had never fought above 154 lbs. He lost the fight by not being aggressive enough and by fighting the first two rounds as a right hander. Leonard won fair and square.
Stopping the Benitez fight with just seconds left to go in the 15th when Benitez wasn't even in trouble was a biased move by the ref who wanted to GIVE Leonard a KO win rather than a decision. I still think that's one of Leonard's all time best performances, but I've always hated the ref's stoppage.
A possible apocryphal story from that fight was that the ref was chased into the desert by irate gamblers, as all the betting had been on whether the fight would go the distance or not.
"an obsession delayed by a detached retina" this was before my time, i was born the very next day, so i may have been misinformed but i heard he pulled a lil floyd move, he waited till an older and battle worn hagler looked vulnerable and then decided to seize the oportunity and thought he could now beat hagler, honestly from clips and wat ive read these two are legendary and should be revered but i heard ray ducked marvin and aaron pryor, but he did fight primed hearns/benitez/duran etc
Very nice observation cmurda.When Hagler had that fight with Mugabi Leonard was in the audience watching carefully to see if there was any dent in Haglers armor.
it's probably true he ducked Hagler, but you have to remember that Hagler wasnt the only one who was past it when they fought. Leonard, too, wasn't the man he once was.
All true. Leonard looked super against Benitez, but the fight shouldn't have been stopped. Leonard refused to fight Hagler until Leonard could see from the Mugabi fight that Hagler had slowed down enough for Leonard to be able to use his speed and outpoint Hagler.
after the 81 Hearns fight Ray knew his chance were nil against Marvin so he had to bide his time
His problem is that while Ray was lighter and had supposedly better hand speed, he couldnt come close to matching Hagler's energy level and couldnt keep up with the frentic pace of a major fighter like Marvin
That's, plus his chin wouldnt be able to handle the accurate punching of Hagler nor his southpaw style
Too many problems so he decided to avoid him until the end of his career
@Piglatinsuperstar Aswell as delay his own return thus making sure he was rusty, out of practise and hadn't fought in a while. Doesn't sound like it was advantageous
@Piglatinsuperstar Toothless, just 2 years afterHagler Ko'ed Hearns. A rusty fighter is taking a big risk fighting anyone let alone Hagler. Leonard was way past his past at that point aswell as out fo the ring for three years.
The Hearns fight came late in Hagler's career too. Tommy put Marvin on hold for 3 years remember?
Anyways if Ray were really the fighter they say he is he wouldnt have been ducking out of the fight 5 years earlier. Ray's not in Marvin's class so he put him on hold until he could start the remedial boxing tour
@cmurda51 Hagler was also in the downslide but you gotta remember him, Sugar ray Leonard was also past his prime... Comming off a huge layoff, hence why he was such a huge underdog. Its not like Floyd (in his prime) picking on older fighters, Ray was also deteriorating, but he thought he could pull it off with smart strategy.
@smarmie I have to agree. Never cared much for leonards style but he was indeed a smart fighter. He used the tactic of frustrating his opponent to his advantage.
@bb62g He also knew WHEN to fight. He approached the Duran rematch at the most opportune time: When Duran had balooned to nearly 200lbs and was partying 'til he dropped. He approached Marvin when by his own admission he saw Marvin's skills deteriorating. Leonard also used his drawing power to win nearly every concession that would give him the advantage in the fight. Glove and ring size, number of rounds, Marvin gave it all to score the huge payday. Ray won his fights in the negotiations.
@smarmie Very true. Ray was past his prime but I think he saw something in Hagler that he probably saw in his prime, but b/c of fear or whatever never decided to fight till years later. A fight with Aaron Pryor would have been incredible at the time als.
Outpointing someone IS beating him. Why stand toe to toe with a harder puncher and get knocked out? Hand speed and accuracy was Sugar Ray's claim to fame. So he used his weapons and WON that fight. No robbery. and who cares if he didnt floor Hagler. Hagler didnt floor him either. People make too many excuses
By far the GREATEST middleweight of ALL time Marvin Hagler. 64 fights. Never put on the canvas. Never beaten. did I say never beaten Yes. Two fights early in his career fought in philly against two local fighters, he was robbed. Read the scorecards of the boxing press at the time! Also he was not beaten, floored or hurt by leonard. The fight was a draw. Leonard of course is one of the great fighters but his fight stats do not compare with Hagler. He was a complete figther he had it all.
Nah...Hopkins is good but not great. Do you think Hagler would have lost to Calzaghe...No Way. He would have been the 1st fighter to knock out Calzaghe. Hopkins would have spent the whole fight trying to hold Hagler & stop him fighting. Hagler was stronger, a better athlete and a better boxer. The moment Hopkins opened up and went toe to toe with Hagler would have beaten him convincingly. I don t think he would have knocked Hopkins out but would have beaten him over 12 rounds. No question.
@FatherSonGolf Hopkins is a counter puncher he would never go toe to toe with a stronger opponent, I think he is great and looks like Ring Magazine agree as well as a future hall of Famer. Agree that Hagler would knock out Calzaghe.
Hopkins only lost to calzaghe because of age.That would be a great fight though.I would take hopkins though.I think he would out point him and out box him for 12 rounds.If they went 15 like back in the day I think hagler would take it in a decision or maybe even knock out in last 2 rounds.
@FatherSonGolf Haha!! Calzghe would have slapped Hagler around the ring for 12 rounds.. he was bigger, taller, faster, had better legs, high punch out put, used better angles, had a better jab, better defense.... just a better fighter. Resume wasn't as good but hey, styles make fights! And I'm American saying this! No way Hagler beats Calzaghe unless he K.O's him... and that wouldn't happen.
@DKaziTV What do you even say to that stupid comment? Have you watched Hagler- Minter, Hagler-Hearns,Hagler- Obeljimas, or his fights with willie Monroe.
@JMDinamitaMarquez Ha! Yes, I've seen those and none of those guys are Joe Calzaghe.. the workrate, the speed, combinations, angles, height, natural size... come on man, learn the sport before you argue.
@DKaziTV Hagler>>>>>>>>>>>Kessler, Byron mitchell, Manfredo, Kabery Salem who dropped him, and Lacy. Calzaghe is great but is not on Hagler's level. Boxing is all about levels.
@JMDinamitaMarquez Yes, but you also forget that styles make fights. Calzaghe has every edge on Hagler... maybe with the exception of power. Hagler lost to Willie Monroe, Bobby Watts, had a close fight with Duran waaaaay past his prime, and lost to and an old retired Ray Leonard who was off for 5 years. That would have NEVER happened to Joe Calzaghe. And trust me, I'm a black male from the States so I'm not speaking from a biased point of view. Calzaghe over Hagler all day..
Ray Leonard was Ko'd by Macho Camacho at 39 and yes Hagler at age 43 would lose to Calzaghe. No fighter has even come close to accomplishing what Hopkins has over the age of 40. Now obviously there is no way of saying without a doubt that Hagler at age 43 would lose to Calzaghe but at age 43 history shows he would have next to zero chance. If you think I'm wrong name 1 fighter who outboxes world champions at 46 which Hopkins just did. And Foreman lost every round prior to beating Moore at 45.
i disagree,hopkins wouldn't have troubled hagler much.hops doesn't punch hard enough to hurt marvin and doesn't have the output to win on punches.hagler ud.
Hopkins' strength isn't in power, or punch output; it's in timing, intelligence, and toughness. I think It would be a great fight. I'm not going to say who I think would win, because I respect both fighters too much, and we'll never really know.
well said, i never liked bhop but i always give credit where its due. he is a throwback and he is great and he belongs in the convo of best middleweights
Here's the bottom line: Hagler has no one to blame but himself, not Ray Leonard, not the judges, not the ref, himself. He lost the worst way, he got outsmarted. He let Ray Leonard get into his head. If he simply had tried to grind out his usual rough and tumble decision, he would have won. Instead, it wasnt enough for him to beat Ray, he had to beat him at his own game. Thus giving away the first two rounds trying to box right-handed. Idiotic. He was totally out-smarted and out-planned.
the problem is that Leonard was like a pussy cat run-run-run, gets cornered, then scratches and scratches. Leonard didn't come to beat Hagler, but to out point him. That was his whole mission. Leonard is an Ali rip-off, wannabe.
People can say what they want about Leonard I personally don't think he ducked anyone but Pryor. And when he did fight the greats he beat them hands down. You can't change the outcome of these fights.
Tuptugen, I agree that Hagler should have used the same strategy for Leonard that he did against Hearns, but my point is that Hagler was no longer able to employ that strategy. In many ways, the fight with Hearns was Hagler's Manila; look at how much punishment he took from Hearns in the first round alone. He went into that fight as an "is" and left as a "was." Leonard realized this in the Mugabi fight, and that's why he called him out publicly.
Wingnut67,I can clearly see you got much more knowledge about boxing than i do. Ive never seen the Mugabi fight but from what i have seen ,something went wrong that night for Hagler. The fact is that i am lil bit unimpressed with Leonards style and boxing so i am maybe little bit hyped up for Hagler :) (Not taking anything aways from SRL-He was great!!!). It has two sides for me,one : Leonard was waiting till Hagler lost his prime,and other that Ray was able to win after such a "long vacation".
Leonard has been a strange person for me ever since ive heard about him for the first time. Pryor challenges etc. In the bout with Hagler he showed the best way to comeback with no doubt. Had a great strategy and came into in very good shape .I admire that.....but still i kinda like Hagler and my opinions are just "amateur" :) I am not interested in boxing enough time to stand behind my opinions for the 100%. I am still learning.
Fast forward to 1986 and the Mugabi fight. Hagler is getting hit with shots he wouldn't have been tagged with two years earlier by a fighter who was vastly overrated despite his record (he had never fought at middleweight going in) and who never held a victory over a top fighter in his entire career. On top of that, Hagler urinated blood for a week after this fight. The game was over, and he knew it. Bob Arum had to talk Hagler into fighting Leonard because he planned to retire.
This was not the same Hagler who destroyed Thomas Hearns nearly two years earlier. In the Mugabi fight in '86, Hagler began to look slow and old, and had Leonard not publicly challenged him, Hagler would have quietly retired.
I disagree,i think that for a fighter in his age Hagler did pretty good in there. The sad fact is that Ray Leonard had the right recipe for Haglers style. He outboxed him,Hagler is a brawler with tremendous pride. Very skilled in inside fighting and with iron jaw.He should have done the same thing like against Hearns. Not giving any free space to Leonard and outrough him...(My opinion)
Tuptugen, I respect your opinion. However, look at the videos of Hagler from the late '70s through around 1982. He was more of a boxer in those days (boxing analyst Al Bernstein holds a similar opinion). His punches were also sharper then (he put cuts in Mustafa Hamsho's face that required 55 stitches to close). Leonard wanted no part of Hagler then, and his comments to the press during that period back this up.
I agree with that comment tuptugen. I' ve been trying to tell these Pac lovers the same thing. I really don't think Pac can beat Mayweather. Because of the difference in style. And I think if a fight between Pac and Mayweather happens the outcome will be just like this one.
Yeah right..Leonard was obsessed with beating Hagler...waited for Marvin to get old...saw Hagler was past his prime against Mugabi, then got brave. just like Mayweather seen Pacquiao couldn't do it to a 38 year old man, NOW wants to fight...
MegaDarryl1960 1 week ago
Say whatever you want about Sugar Ray he was one of the best. Man the 80s, Hagler, Hearns,Sugar Ray,Duran,Chavez, etc.and those were jus a couple of middleweights. If you look at stat fights in boxers from the 80s, compared to boxers currently,what a huge difference. I think it was Liston who had as many losses, as some fighters whole amateur- proffesional win/ loss record.Incredible!
DARRINCONNOR1 1 week ago
I remember the 7-Up commercial with Sugar Rays son and thinking it was thee coolest thing ever and how lucky his boy was.
DARRINCONNOR1 1 week ago
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE MAKE NEW EPISODES "Ward-Gatti 1-3" etc etc Im pretty sure those wer HBO fights.(maybe not)
DARRINCONNOR1 1 week ago
Why does everyone start cheering when Ray says he wont fight Hagler?
OmarTheGuy 1 week ago
@OmarTheGuy I have always thought that same exact thing.Talk about a bitch slap to the face.He gathered 10,000 people there to say that??? Or was this just more hype to promote the fight.
DARRINCONNOR1 1 week ago
How come there is no Legendary night episode featuring Roberto Duran?? :(
OmarTheGuy 1 week ago
Two of the greatest boxer in history . Mayweather is no where near this two .
j3x5b 3 months ago
sugar ray leanord is one of the greats , hagler was great too but sugar ray won the fight
westside159 4 months ago
@westside159 Your saying leanord is one of the greats??? he ran even more then mayweather....pacquiao just fights old boxers that have passed their prime, he fought morales and marquez in their prime and see what happenend
sufro760 1 month ago
mayweather is not a fighter . hes a runner and cheat . pacquiao is a fighter
westside159 4 months ago
@westside159
To say Matweather isn't one of the greats is just ridiculous. Most people don't like him because he's a doooosh bag, but what does that have to do with his boxing ability??? Mayweather is easily one of the greatest defense artists to fight and for you to think the way you do clearly exposes your limited boxing knowledge. On the other hand, Manny is also a good fighter, although not as talented as Mayweather. Manny has an unbalanced style that will be exposed when these two fight.
ynotspank1 4 months ago 6
@ynotspank1 actually it wont be exposed when they fight...because thats the reason manny is fighting marquez....marquez is going to counter good...so they are gonna use it to figure out what flaws manny has that freddie roach cannot see...so if u look at it the fight against marquez is a way for them to make manny better before the fight agaisnt mayweather
dukevaj 3 months ago
@ynotspank1 agreeed!!!! mayweather is a genius
chrissouthsid3 3 months ago
@ynotspank1 I agree with some of the things you said. mayweather is one of the greats for this time. But on paper there so many stars of the 80s that would have killed Mayweather. Ray for example had the speed to keep up with floyd and had great defense but in the class of Ali and Robinson were he was hard to hit because he was so mobile. Unlike Mayweather Ray had faster hands knock out power in both hands and was a great finisher. And Hagler forget about it. mayweather has no chance.
b7r7u7c7e 2 months ago
@b7r7u7c7e Floyd never fought at 160... Marvin spent his entire career at middleweight. the two are incomparable. Against Ray Leonard? Seeing Mayweather getting hit with a good shot is few and far between let alone getting knocked down. A prime Ray Leonard's defense was very good and his offense as a volume puncher was great but he could be tagged by skilled fighters (Duran/Hearns)... I'd have Floyd winning by SD like the De La Hoya fight.
PumpUPdaBase 1 month ago
its not called running its called intelligent boxing and just like ali-foreman the better "boxer" won and rightly so. you dont stand in front of bruisers and win, you box them, frustrate them, and then outbox them, as both did.
ouspyyy 4 months ago
@ouspyyy absolutely! one thing i cant stand is idiots who think that just because you box the crap outta someone they call it ''running'' or he was ''scared''. the point is to hit and not get hit! thats why its called the sweet science.
layzieGuy80 4 months ago
t you have and not to try to be something that your not.
ngonzoak 5 months ago
Both Leonard and Hagler are all time greats. People doggin Leonard for "running" are ridiculous. He did what he had to do. If he had traded with a bigger stronger man with an iron chin he would have been KO'd or taken a terrible beating. I dont like runner but I hate when ppl critize boxers for moving and boxing when its the right thing for them to do. Not everybody is a physically strong and powerful puncher. I boxed amatuer for a little bit and one thing I learned was yo maximize the gifts tha
ngonzoak 5 months ago
motherfuck jim lampley
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kingdaleclarke 6 months ago
At Best you can argue it was a draw, but I thought Leonard did more to win this fight, maybe if Hagler didn't fight the first two rounds orttodox history might be different.
KidMoon23 6 months ago
i had it a draw.
jimpurdie 7 months ago
Hagler got hosed.
Leonard didn't back him up, didn't hurt him, and ran away from him for 36 minutes. I had Hagler winning eight of 12 the first time I watched this, and my opinion hasn't changed nearly 25 years later.
Jose Guerra should be in fucking jail.
banderhoos 7 months ago
@banderhoos, as much as you won't like this, I scored it 115-113 to Leonard. But I agree that Guerra's scoring was ridiculous.
iljn1988 7 months ago
@iljn1988 I get that it was a close fight. Even Harold Lederman scored it the same as you.
Call me a purist in this regard, but I don't think a fighter ought to be able to take the title from a long-standing champion by doing the feather-hands dance. He never once made Hagler take a step back. Leonard was an undeniably great boxer, but I'll never see this particular victory of his as legitimate.
As for Guerra, I still think he was bought. Nothing else explains his bullshit scorecard.
banderhoos 7 months ago
@banderhoos, likewise, I can see the case for Hagler getting the nod, and have no problem with anyone who sees it that way. I'm just not entirely sure that Hagler's aggression was really 'effective aggression' as the old saying goes. He couldn't have fought a worse tactical fight if he tried - he let Leonard settle by fighting right handed, and did get countered more often than he should when he rushed in. I think Leonard showed greater ring generalship and dictated the type of fight it'd be.
iljn1988 7 months ago
@banderhoos Leonard won this fight, watch it, not Legendary Nights, granted one scorecard was ridiculous, but Leonard out boxed and continuously tagged Hagler all night. Of course he didn't hurt Hagler, NO ONE DID, I hate how Leonard is portrayed as stealing rounds. When? Watch the fight itself, Leonard did more than Hagler. They're both great, but Leonard was just a bit greater. And I don't prescribe to the fact that you have to do more than the champ, what kind of level playing field is that?
KidMoon23 6 months ago
@KidMoon23 I've watched this fight so many times that I practically have every moment of it memorized. Yes, Leonard won the decision, but...
*Ray isn't 'portrayed' as stealing rounds, he has repeatedly admitted that it was his gameplan.
*Hearns hurt Hagler when they fought. So did Mugabe.
*I still don't think that running and flurrying, while taking hard shots should win you a title.
*Hagler hurt Leonard twice (in the 5th and 9th).
*Have I mentioned that Guerra should be in jail?
banderhoos 6 months ago
@banderhoos You're right Hearns did stun him, but few did, still Leonard landed hard clean shots, you're not judged on how hard you punch. If that were the case Paulie Malignaggi wouldn't have a win on his record. He wasn't running, it's called boxing for a reason. Hagler was plotting forward not cutting off the ring and only at times he was effective. Yes he had big rounds, but so did Leonard. Considering it was his first fight as a middleweight AFTER a 3 year layoff, Hagler couldn't beat him?
KidMoon23 6 months ago
@banderhoos Did you know that Guerra wasn't supposed to judge this fight. He replaced Harry Gibbs who the Hagler camp didn't want as a judge as they thought Gibbs would lean towards Leonards style of boxing. Funny thing is Gibbs scored the fight to Hagler when he watched it.
sje1964 6 months ago 3
LOL @ calling Leonard just a 'poster boy', guy was an all timer. Tough as bricks.
newsense87 7 months ago
In my opinion, Hagler won this fight- I saw this fight when I was twelve, and I was dazed by Leonard- When I saw this fight later, after seeing and understanding a little more about boxing, Haggler is my favourite boxer- The toughest man alive- Sugar Ray is just a poster boy
azasell9 7 months ago
@azasell9 My Dad used to tell me he was robbed so i think your right.
cortezforever 7 months ago
@azasell9
I agree with the Hagler winning. I think Ken Norton was robbed against Ali AT LEAST once as well. But thats no reason to call Ali or Leonard "poster boys." These guys fought wars in their career against legends.
jjwilson3345 7 months ago
@azasell9
I love how people love to rag on Leonard for 1 fight but then they go & suck off guys like Mike Tyson. Tyson fought average guys (and a well past his prime legend) when he was champ & got his ass kicked by the Durans, Haglers, and Hearns of his time. Tyson may not have the look but hes the TRUE "poster boy."
jjwilson3345 7 months ago
Close fight. Neihter clearly won. I had it 115-113 for Leonard. People who say Leonard "Ran" are fucking idiots. It's called Boxing, not running. How is it running when you're throwing punches? There were a few very close rounds, and whoever you gave it to won the fight. The slap in the face was the 119-109 scorecard. That was complete bullshit, there is no way Leonard won 11 rounds.
PureBoxerP4P 8 months ago
@PureBoxerP4P Agreed in every facet. I believe it should have been called a draw. Leonard fought the only fight he could possibly win and Hagler made an unwise decision to come out orthodox thus giving away the first two rounds. Had he started out southpaw, which seemed almost a no brainer to me, he might have taken the decision. This is a controversial decision, not a screwjob decision. Very tough fight to score.
mongoose704 7 months ago
Are you Sugar Ray Leonard bashers all smoking crack? I'm not much of a Sugar Ray fan myself, but he took out both Hearns and Duran. Then he came in cold, out of retirement, and outboxed and outclassed Marvin Hagler so bad that he exposed Hagler for the shot fighter he was. If you don't give Sugar Ray Leonard the respect that he earned in the ring, and his props as one of the greatest ever, then you just aren't paying attention.
5Be4Funk 8 months ago
Hagler you are a true Champion, Leonard has always been just a runner and a Talker..
mortek9 8 months ago
that's cold, why would Ray invite Marvin just to tell him he's retiring?
longview1987 8 months ago
Ray Leonard fought some of the Greatest Boxers in history. Duran, Hagler, Hearns, Benitez, and many more. Through it all, Ray Leonard was NEVER knocked out. There is no reason to think that Hagler could EVER knock Ray Leonard out.
warriorgrayn 11 months ago
Ray Leonard out punched Hagler, out landed Hagler, and out classes Hagler. I saw this fight in the gymnasium on Camp LeJeune(Big Screen). Was one of the greatest fights ever. Ray Leonard beat Hagler. As far as being a weak fighter......Ray was a boxer. Would you like to take Boxers out of Boxing??? Then you would deprive us of some of the greatest fights in history. You are clearly an idiot for suggesting it. Either way, Hagler could NEVER knock Leonard out. NEVER!!!
warriorgrayn 11 months ago
@warriorgrayn great comment dude
HamerD 10 months ago
You guys seem to forget that Hopkins is in his 40's now. The guy has no business in the ring and can still hang with them. Calzaghe ducked Bhop and Roy Jones until they got old.
MadcapKid23 1 year ago
lenard is gay
Archafka 1 year ago
SRL went into the fight with Hagler just planning to win on the cards and not in anyway fight marvin smart but weak
thegoods420 1 year ago
epic fight from the times when the best fought each other not like today.. mayweather pacquiao or kessler vs bute, lopez vs gamboa, ect... money fucked boxing up
fernan2901 1 year ago
Hagler is the G.O.A.T. middleweight. Not even Sugar Ray Robinson would have been able to beat him.
PumpUPdaBase 1 year ago
lol props to u.. but youve never fought roy jones or leonard.. so untill then its hard to say definantly whos faster. Miguel cotto (world champion, think hes a litter higher ranked than u) said hes just as fast as pacquiao. Should i believe him because he said so. The faster fighter showed up on the night. Not doubting your achvments.. just my opinion as well. Unless youve fought one of them or seen them fight each other live..
SSTRICK19 1 year ago
@SSTRICK19 and you can't compare them to opponents you have fought cause all fighters are different.
SSTRICK19 1 year ago
LOOK I HAVE BEEN WATCHING FIGHTS FOR YEARS
I AM A TOP RANKED AMATUER FIGHTER WITH OVER 150 WINS I KNOW SPEED LOL
AND ROY JONES IS IN THE SAME CLASS WHEN IT COMES TO HAND SPEED AS RAY LEONARD
xaviermongoosejr 1 year ago
@xaviermongoosejr Your not a world champion... shhhh!
SSTRICK19 1 year ago
@SSTRICK19 i have been ranked top in the world
look up my videos on youtube then talk to me lol
xaviermongoosejr 1 year ago
@SSTRICK19 xavier montelongo
xaviermongoosejr 1 year ago
@xaviermongoosejr Its a bit of an overstatement to say you know speed or who is the fastest just cause you have over 150 wins amateur (not dishing you that is great achievement) but have you fought the mayweathers, leonards, pacquiaos jones jrs who are the pioneers of speed on the world stage.
SSTRICK19 1 year ago
@xaviermongoosejr Anyway dont wanna argue just my opinion you have your reasons too.. i just love watching these fights of past legends. i wish pacquiao and mayweather would fight already. Maybe we can see them fight more than once.
SSTRICK19 1 year ago
@SSTRICK19 no i havent fought those guys but i study them every day because i hope to be at the level someday ( i am only 18 ) but i think i believe that the speed roy jones had is comparable to the speed surgar ray leonard had both great fighters
but yeah pacquiao is great but i am a mayweather fan and that fight needs to happen
xaviermongoosejr 1 year ago
@xaviermongoosejr Yeh maybe your right.. if only we could pit leaonard against jones and we could find out who is definantly faster. wow 18. im 19 never had a boxing fight in my life. watching this stuff makes you want to try it. I think mayweather throws 1, 2 punches faster than pacquiao but i think pacquiao throws 5, 6 combos faster than mayweather. might be wrong hopefully they fight.
SSTRICK19 1 year ago
Hagler won, the best southpaw ever
orestes67 1 year ago
look at 6:14 didnt know srl was so mmuch taller than hagler
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
marvin should not have got in the ring after that move
afcvinnie 1 year ago
Hagler is the best Midleweight of all time. In his prime nobody could beat him, not then, not now, not ever...
chifuli1974 1 year ago
@chifuli1974 what about sugar ray robinson ????
xaviermongoosejr 1 year ago
@xaviermongoosejr Ray Robinson was a middleweight when older and not his prime. A 160 Robinson most likely would have lost to Hagler, but at 147 nobody's ever been better. The only natural MW who could have given him a hell of a fight would have been Carlos Monzon. Ray Robinson is most likely the best p4p fighter ever, but at MW Hagler was the man...
chifuli1974 1 year ago
@chifuli1974 i think mavin would have a lot of problems against a prime roy jones jr @ middleweight i think he is faster than leonard maybe the same but roy was strong physically and i dont see hagler running him over
xaviermongoosejr 1 year ago
@xaviermongoosejr faster than Leonard ? Are you crazy ?
EvanderHolyfield7 1 year ago
Lol, Fucking Toothless Brits.
XvxBERSERKxvX 1 year ago
Leonard>Duran>Hagerl
dagiffy 1 year ago
hagler > leonard
Duran > leonard
r300zxsupras200 1 year ago
@r300zxsupras200 WHAT!!!!! Leonard beat both those guys (Duran twice)
bigslynhs 1 year ago
@bigslynhs
Yes, according to the judges... but I dont think he won... all he did with hagller where flashi punching and run around...... thats not boxing!!!
and with duran, when he tried to fight fight like a man on the first fight he got his butt kicked bad...... the second one where duran quit was just leonard playing his stupid games........ i really think leonard is overrated and i hate his style but thats just my personal opinion......
r300zxsupras200 1 year ago
@r300zxsupras200 What about the third fight with Duran?? He beat him fair and square
bigslynhs 1 year ago
@bigslynhs
to be completely honest, i did not know they fought 3 times...
r300zxsupras200 1 year ago
@r300zxsupras200 LMAO well at least you were honest
bigslynhs 1 year ago
@bigslynhs
lol... hopefully i can find it some where in youtube.
r300zxsupras200 1 year ago
@r300zxsupras200 you should be able to
bigslynhs 1 year ago
@r300zxsupras200 because they didn't...
chifuli1974 1 year ago
@r300zxsupras200 While I agree with what you said, I have to disagree a little about Leonard, the problem with him was that he went for too long w/o fighting, but at his prime Leonard was really good..
chifuli1974 1 year ago
@chifuli1974
I agree he was really good, I wish boxers from today would have the same
drive to be great as did the boxer from lenards era. It just seems like boxers are not proud of the game any more and all they want is money.
r300zxsupras200 1 year ago
was leonard dope tested for this fight.?
1nicleon 1 year ago
......was leonard drug tested for this fight ....?
1nicleon 1 year ago
haglers life can be a movie... life just shits on him and he keeps coming back for more... he should of knew sugar was going to box not fight but i still believe marvin did enough to win leonard won some early rounds but lost the middle ones and towards the end rounds picked it up at the ten second mark to disguise the fact he was making the fight into a track meet
johnnydeltoro11 1 year ago
Hagler won the fight!
bronxmatt1215 1 year ago
so im gonna shoot you ! In this fight Hagler looked so slow and he didnt do anything to win! He missed so many shots and Leonard truly outclassed him! Cmon show some respect to the true winner! All of you dont know anything about boxing! All of you bitches are thinking that the boxer that moves forward wins! Thats why all of you are saying absolute bullshits like Mayweather lost to Oscar and Ray Lonard lost to Hagler! In both cases the coming forward guys were exposed and they didnt landed shots
landreev 1 year ago
I've watched the match countless times, SRL obviously won the early rounds, MH pipped a couple in the middle rounds, but it was SRL late flourishes in that last minutes on the later rounds that was enough to give him the win...close, but no doubt it was SRL's night...he stuck to his plan, picked his shots & didnt slug it out with him... MH paid for it, he fought orthodox at times early in the match and got tagged..
layDaSmkDwn18 1 year ago
The Marvelous One Was Robbed..
dbreiden83080 1 year ago
so im gonna shoot you ! In this fight Hagler looked so slow and he didnt do anything to win! He missed so many shots and Leonard truly outclassed him! Cmon show some respect to the true winner! All of you dont know anything about boxing! All of you bitches are thinking that the boxer that moves forward wins! Thats why all of you are saying absolute bullshits like Mayweather lost to Oscar and Ray Lonard lost to Hagler! In both cases the coming forward guys were exposed and they didnt landed shots
landreev 1 year ago
hagler shouldnt have won the title in a race hate shithole like england. He deserved to have his moment of glory and england couldnt handle "the black man" beating their bitch
salemkid1979 1 year ago
thats not even what it was about england treats any opposing boxer like shit and have no respect for other peoples including americas national anthem there damn immature really.
stooptoop 1 year ago
hagler vs hopkins hagler 5th rd ko sugar ray leonard vs sugar shane mosley ray 9rd ko
156526ie 1 year ago
My respect for SRL is now gone , After seeing this and he duped the Hagler Team.
simba282 1 year ago
@simba282 Umm well i do respect him , just not happy with some of things he done ,that could of been done better!
simba282 1 year ago
I think Hagler knew he lost. He's not the type of fighter or person that dances around when a fight is over. Hagler is a murderer a killer, not a dancer. It's Hagler's fault that he lost, he should have known Leonard was going to jump on his bicycle. He knew Leonard was not going to brawl with him. Leonard did his thing.
juanferez1 1 year ago
The fact of the matter is that Hagler should have been able to beat a welterweight who had fought once in 5 years, and who had never fought above 154 lbs. He lost the fight by not being aggressive enough and by fighting the first two rounds as a right hander. Leonard won fair and square.
matthroma 1 year ago
He says, "Mike Trainer, sign me up." Mike Trainer was Leonard's lawyer and chief negotiator.
matthroma 1 year ago
i hope they make a legendary night for mayweather pacquiao when it happens
moh508th 1 year ago
God I miss Cosell as a fight announcer.
BirthofCharlie 1 year ago
Big laughs at the guy in the crowd in red from 2:25 to 2:36
treetoptop 1 year ago
@treetoptop hahaha,i like that one
landogray 1 year ago
hagler was robbed
wasimj2a2 1 year ago
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SuperHatemail 1 year ago
... "Sugar" Ray
2taggs2 1 year ago
God. He looks younger now than he did then.
2taggs2 1 year ago
Stopping the Benitez fight with just seconds left to go in the 15th when Benitez wasn't even in trouble was a biased move by the ref who wanted to GIVE Leonard a KO win rather than a decision. I still think that's one of Leonard's all time best performances, but I've always hated the ref's stoppage.
comedicstuff 1 year ago
A possible apocryphal story from that fight was that the ref was chased into the desert by irate gamblers, as all the betting had been on whether the fight would go the distance or not.
swca92 1 year ago
@swca92 - Seriously? The ref really got chased by irate gamblers?
comedicstuff 1 year ago
those british faggots were mad because the guy dident bring them any toothpaste .....brush ur teeth wash ur ass..
marekmazurkiewicz 1 year ago
This decision was a travesty. Jose Guerra gave Leonard 10-12 rounds in a fight that--while admittedly close--still should have gone to Hagler.
"But Leonard out-landed him," you might say. And while true on the statsheet, it certainly didn't account for who landed the more meaningful shots.
One guy pressed the fight and landed bombs, while the other did a feather-fist dance for 12 rounds.
It's been nearly a quarter-century, and this decision STILL pisses me off.
banderhoos 1 year ago
HAGLER= LEGEND
LEONARD= LEGEND
ESSJ333 1 year ago 31
ME = LEGEND
comedicstuff 1 year ago
U=GAY
ESSJ333 1 year ago
YOU = CHUMP
comedicstuff 1 year ago
U=GAY
ESSJ333 1 year ago
"an obsession delayed by a detached retina" this was before my time, i was born the very next day, so i may have been misinformed but i heard he pulled a lil floyd move, he waited till an older and battle worn hagler looked vulnerable and then decided to seize the oportunity and thought he could now beat hagler, honestly from clips and wat ive read these two are legendary and should be revered but i heard ray ducked marvin and aaron pryor, but he did fight primed hearns/benitez/duran etc
cmurda51 2 years ago 5
Very nice observation cmurda.When Hagler had that fight with Mugabi Leonard was in the audience watching carefully to see if there was any dent in Haglers armor.
BoxingPride 2 years ago
it's probably true he ducked Hagler, but you have to remember that Hagler wasnt the only one who was past it when they fought. Leonard, too, wasn't the man he once was.
Whyavier 2 years ago
All true. Leonard looked super against Benitez, but the fight shouldn't have been stopped. Leonard refused to fight Hagler until Leonard could see from the Mugabi fight that Hagler had slowed down enough for Leonard to be able to use his speed and outpoint Hagler.
comedicstuff 1 year ago
after the 81 Hearns fight Ray knew his chance were nil against Marvin so he had to bide his time
His problem is that while Ray was lighter and had supposedly better hand speed, he couldnt come close to matching Hagler's energy level and couldnt keep up with the frentic pace of a major fighter like Marvin
That's, plus his chin wouldnt be able to handle the accurate punching of Hagler nor his southpaw style
Too many problems so he decided to avoid him until the end of his career
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@Piglatinsuperstar Aswell as delay his own return thus making sure he was rusty, out of practise and hadn't fought in a while. Doesn't sound like it was advantageous
marcusarkane 1 year ago
@marcusarkane
makes no difference if you're facing a toothless fighter. Hagler would be toothless upon his return. Ray Leonard made DAMN SURE of that
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@Piglatinsuperstar Toothless, just 2 years afterHagler Ko'ed Hearns. A rusty fighter is taking a big risk fighting anyone let alone Hagler. Leonard was way past his past at that point aswell as out fo the ring for three years.
marcusarkane 1 year ago
@marcusarkane
The Hearns fight came late in Hagler's career too. Tommy put Marvin on hold for 3 years remember?
Anyways if Ray were really the fighter they say he is he wouldnt have been ducking out of the fight 5 years earlier. Ray's not in Marvin's class so he put him on hold until he could start the remedial boxing tour
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@cmurda51 Hagler was also in the downslide but you gotta remember him, Sugar ray Leonard was also past his prime... Comming off a huge layoff, hence why he was such a huge underdog. Its not like Floyd (in his prime) picking on older fighters, Ray was also deteriorating, but he thought he could pull it off with smart strategy.
smarmie 9 months ago
@smarmie I have to agree. Never cared much for leonards style but he was indeed a smart fighter. He used the tactic of frustrating his opponent to his advantage.
bb62g 9 months ago
@bb62g He also knew WHEN to fight. He approached the Duran rematch at the most opportune time: When Duran had balooned to nearly 200lbs and was partying 'til he dropped. He approached Marvin when by his own admission he saw Marvin's skills deteriorating. Leonard also used his drawing power to win nearly every concession that would give him the advantage in the fight. Glove and ring size, number of rounds, Marvin gave it all to score the huge payday. Ray won his fights in the negotiations.
mongoose704 7 months ago
@smarmie Very true. Ray was past his prime but I think he saw something in Hagler that he probably saw in his prime, but b/c of fear or whatever never decided to fight till years later. A fight with Aaron Pryor would have been incredible at the time als.
CJ81 9 months ago
@smarmie floyd hasnt been prime for 5 years.....
JoeRUGBY10 8 months ago
then keep on wishing,chavez all the way
sol454647 2 years ago
i wish hearns beat leonard the way i also wished that taylor defeated chavez. :(
gamemaster47 2 years ago
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pequenopoet 2 years ago
Thank you for sharing this series. It has kept me going while like the rest of us I wait for the annoucment of the Mayweather Pacquio fight.
pequenopoet 2 years ago
hagler lostttttttt
kasim8t3 2 years ago
At 5:42... Ray Leonard copies Ai Shuffle
007rocksalotmann 2 years ago
Imo oppinion he does the shuffle nicer than ali
uglybabashouse2 1 year ago
He was smaller by 100 pounds you dumbass.
mrjackcoffee 1 year ago
Outpointing someone IS beating him. Why stand toe to toe with a harder puncher and get knocked out? Hand speed and accuracy was Sugar Ray's claim to fame. So he used his weapons and WON that fight. No robbery. and who cares if he didnt floor Hagler. Hagler didnt floor him either. People make too many excuses
Zerrick80 2 years ago
The only fighter that made Hagler look ordinary was John Mugabi,and true Hagler KO him.but took a lot of leather in the process.
julytroche 2 years ago
By far the GREATEST middleweight of ALL time Marvin Hagler. 64 fights. Never put on the canvas. Never beaten. did I say never beaten Yes. Two fights early in his career fought in philly against two local fighters, he was robbed. Read the scorecards of the boxing press at the time! Also he was not beaten, floored or hurt by leonard. The fight was a draw. Leonard of course is one of the great fighters but his fight stats do not compare with Hagler. He was a complete figther he had it all.
FatherSonGolf 2 years ago 2
hagler would have had trouble with hopkins
amotisi8859 2 years ago
Nah...Hopkins is good but not great. Do you think Hagler would have lost to Calzaghe...No Way. He would have been the 1st fighter to knock out Calzaghe. Hopkins would have spent the whole fight trying to hold Hagler & stop him fighting. Hagler was stronger, a better athlete and a better boxer. The moment Hopkins opened up and went toe to toe with Hagler would have beaten him convincingly. I don t think he would have knocked Hopkins out but would have beaten him over 12 rounds. No question.
FatherSonGolf 2 years ago 14
@FatherSonGolf Hopkins is a counter puncher he would never go toe to toe with a stronger opponent, I think he is great and looks like Ring Magazine agree as well as a future hall of Famer. Agree that Hagler would knock out Calzaghe.
marcusarkane 1 year ago
@FatherSonGolf
Hopkins only lost to calzaghe because of age.That would be a great fight though.I would take hopkins though.I think he would out point him and out box him for 12 rounds.If they went 15 like back in the day I think hagler would take it in a decision or maybe even knock out in last 2 rounds.
lowmyco 1 year ago
@FatherSonGolf Haha!! Calzghe would have slapped Hagler around the ring for 12 rounds.. he was bigger, taller, faster, had better legs, high punch out put, used better angles, had a better jab, better defense.... just a better fighter. Resume wasn't as good but hey, styles make fights! And I'm American saying this! No way Hagler beats Calzaghe unless he K.O's him... and that wouldn't happen.
DKaziTV 1 year ago
@DKaziTV bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
JMDinamitaMarquez 10 months ago
@DKaziTV What do you even say to that stupid comment? Have you watched Hagler- Minter, Hagler-Hearns,Hagler- Obeljimas, or his fights with willie Monroe.
JMDinamitaMarquez 10 months ago
@JMDinamitaMarquez Ha! Yes, I've seen those and none of those guys are Joe Calzaghe.. the workrate, the speed, combinations, angles, height, natural size... come on man, learn the sport before you argue.
DKaziTV 10 months ago
@DKaziTV Hagler>>>>>>>>>>>Kessler, Byron mitchell, Manfredo, Kabery Salem who dropped him, and Lacy. Calzaghe is great but is not on Hagler's level. Boxing is all about levels.
JMDinamitaMarquez 10 months ago
@JMDinamitaMarquez Yes, but you also forget that styles make fights. Calzaghe has every edge on Hagler... maybe with the exception of power. Hagler lost to Willie Monroe, Bobby Watts, had a close fight with Duran waaaaay past his prime, and lost to and an old retired Ray Leonard who was off for 5 years. That would have NEVER happened to Joe Calzaghe. And trust me, I'm a black male from the States so I'm not speaking from a biased point of view. Calzaghe over Hagler all day..
DKaziTV 10 months ago
Ray Leonard was Ko'd by Macho Camacho at 39 and yes Hagler at age 43 would lose to Calzaghe. No fighter has even come close to accomplishing what Hopkins has over the age of 40. Now obviously there is no way of saying without a doubt that Hagler at age 43 would lose to Calzaghe but at age 43 history shows he would have next to zero chance. If you think I'm wrong name 1 fighter who outboxes world champions at 46 which Hopkins just did. And Foreman lost every round prior to beating Moore at 45.
bigsleep32 1 year ago
i disagree,hopkins wouldn't have troubled hagler much.hops doesn't punch hard enough to hurt marvin and doesn't have the output to win on punches.hagler ud.
60425 2 years ago
Hopkins' strength isn't in power, or punch output; it's in timing, intelligence, and toughness. I think It would be a great fight. I'm not going to say who I think would win, because I respect both fighters too much, and we'll never really know.
MrN0Bias 2 years ago 3
well said, i never liked bhop but i always give credit where its due. he is a throwback and he is great and he belongs in the convo of best middleweights
cmurda51 2 years ago
Wow i never thought how underrated Hagler was.. he deserves Respect
MarkRigor17 2 years ago 4
YOU CANT BEAT SKILLFUL FIGHTERS
BROWNREDFOWL 2 years ago
Hagler was robbed. Plain and simple. It was close but Hagler won.
shelleyinthecity 2 years ago
Here's the bottom line: Hagler has no one to blame but himself, not Ray Leonard, not the judges, not the ref, himself. He lost the worst way, he got outsmarted. He let Ray Leonard get into his head. If he simply had tried to grind out his usual rough and tumble decision, he would have won. Instead, it wasnt enough for him to beat Ray, he had to beat him at his own game. Thus giving away the first two rounds trying to box right-handed. Idiotic. He was totally out-smarted and out-planned.
jamiesjewels1 2 years ago
the problem is that Leonard was like a pussy cat run-run-run, gets cornered, then scratches and scratches. Leonard didn't come to beat Hagler, but to out point him. That was his whole mission. Leonard is an Ali rip-off, wannabe.
Mite0m 2 years ago
Sugar ray leanord get hated on just like Mayweather and Calzaghe does becuz they didnt get beat .
westside159 2 years ago 2
Lol, Leonard got beaten four times! Three times on paper.
Jorsalfar 2 years ago
thanks a lot for this up load bro.. Would really appreciate if you had have more ep to upload thanks if you could...
droophy 2 years ago
the best midleweight of all times with bernard hopkins.
juliochiquini 2 years ago
People can say what they want about Leonard I personally don't think he ducked anyone but Pryor. And when he did fight the greats he beat them hands down. You can't change the outcome of these fights.
Dmidgette1 2 years ago
Pryor would've crushed him
WSBT960 2 years ago 2
He probaly would have. Like I said he did duck Pryor.
Dmidgette1 2 years ago
Tuptugen, I agree that Hagler should have used the same strategy for Leonard that he did against Hearns, but my point is that Hagler was no longer able to employ that strategy. In many ways, the fight with Hearns was Hagler's Manila; look at how much punishment he took from Hearns in the first round alone. He went into that fight as an "is" and left as a "was." Leonard realized this in the Mugabi fight, and that's why he called him out publicly.
vidnut67 2 years ago
Wingnut67,I can clearly see you got much more knowledge about boxing than i do. Ive never seen the Mugabi fight but from what i have seen ,something went wrong that night for Hagler. The fact is that i am lil bit unimpressed with Leonards style and boxing so i am maybe little bit hyped up for Hagler :) (Not taking anything aways from SRL-He was great!!!). It has two sides for me,one : Leonard was waiting till Hagler lost his prime,and other that Ray was able to win after such a "long vacation".
tuptugen 2 years ago
Leonard has been a strange person for me ever since ive heard about him for the first time. Pryor challenges etc. In the bout with Hagler he showed the best way to comeback with no doubt. Had a great strategy and came into in very good shape .I admire that.....but still i kinda like Hagler and my opinions are just "amateur" :) I am not interested in boxing enough time to stand behind my opinions for the 100%. I am still learning.
tuptugen 2 years ago
Fast forward to 1986 and the Mugabi fight. Hagler is getting hit with shots he wouldn't have been tagged with two years earlier by a fighter who was vastly overrated despite his record (he had never fought at middleweight going in) and who never held a victory over a top fighter in his entire career. On top of that, Hagler urinated blood for a week after this fight. The game was over, and he knew it. Bob Arum had to talk Hagler into fighting Leonard because he planned to retire.
vidnut67 2 years ago
This was not the same Hagler who destroyed Thomas Hearns nearly two years earlier. In the Mugabi fight in '86, Hagler began to look slow and old, and had Leonard not publicly challenged him, Hagler would have quietly retired.
vidnut67 2 years ago
I disagree,i think that for a fighter in his age Hagler did pretty good in there. The sad fact is that Ray Leonard had the right recipe for Haglers style. He outboxed him,Hagler is a brawler with tremendous pride. Very skilled in inside fighting and with iron jaw.He should have done the same thing like against Hearns. Not giving any free space to Leonard and outrough him...(My opinion)
tuptugen 2 years ago
Tuptugen, I respect your opinion. However, look at the videos of Hagler from the late '70s through around 1982. He was more of a boxer in those days (boxing analyst Al Bernstein holds a similar opinion). His punches were also sharper then (he put cuts in Mustafa Hamsho's face that required 55 stitches to close). Leonard wanted no part of Hagler then, and his comments to the press during that period back this up.
vidnut67 2 years ago
I agree with that comment tuptugen. I' ve been trying to tell these Pac lovers the same thing. I really don't think Pac can beat Mayweather. Because of the difference in style. And I think if a fight between Pac and Mayweather happens the outcome will be just like this one.
Dmidgette1 2 years ago
The Marvelous one was ROBBED!!!
dbreiden83080 2 years ago 5