the only Bible critics are those who haven't read it, or have failed to read it through the eyes of ancient people, or have failed to realise that they're using translations of an incredibly complex language, or all together... How would you descride a team of helicopters if you were sitting in a cave 2000 years ago and had a vision about the 3rd world war? Would you call the "locusts"? Don't assume you have any new critique of the Bible. That's arrogant. Every letter has been studied ...
God is not a man, "gealosy" in the hebrew original means impartial judgement, He doesn't want human sacrifice, the only "representative" is Jesus Christ, organized religion has very little to do with Christianity, God didn't write any books, revolution is relative, the universe really can take the shape of a dome,the Bible doesn't say you can reach it but that the builders wanted to, you're too ignorant to learn about demonic posession,the 1000 year lives were all pre-Noah, and the text box ends
imagin a piece of paper (2D environment) andrawn people living in there. Now imagine you put a finger through that paper. What would the 2D people see? They would see a circle appearing on the paper and then dissapearing. They wouldn't be able to explain it. But you, the 3D being, would know that's a finger going through their 2D world. Get it? Do your research, Revelations is 100% accurate so far. And there's very little left to be fulfilled... Pray to Jesus. But be 100% sincere.
The Maker of hydrogen working inside of us, has to be all knowing, all powerful and able to stretch out the fabric of time space so that it has function.
Then our Creator has to order all of the functions that make our existence possible.
Then the only one who can remake us again and translate us into forever after our own fall into corruption is our Maker because there is no one else who can.
All of our sin is on and against our Maker whether we want it to be or not.
This would have to be one of my favourite quotes of Thomas Paine:
"The study of theology as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and admits of no conclusion."
@sacrednic wanna know what my favourite quote is? It's from someone who addressed certain "fools" that would appear and grow near the end days. It basically sais "WHERE DO THE LAWS OF PHYSICS COME FROM ??? ". That someone happens to be God (in Job) and the fools of the latter days happen to be the atheists...
@sacrednic to answer all of your questions. Read the book of enoch, the "innocents" you refer to were in fact nephilim. Also, the inlfictions on Job were merely tests of his faith, and he got everything back seven fold when it was done.
Btw I'm not serious, just giving christian responses I've heard to justify those acts.
@generosos87 they justify anything that their god says is permissible. That's what makes christianity so dangerous and inconsistent; because their god says one thing, but then does another .. the compass of morality continually changing in extremes depending on the age and circumstance.
I was referring to the acts which were carried out against the inhabitants of Cannan .. so that god's people could take the land for themselves.
@sacrednic all of your claims are wrong... read the Bible like it's supposed to be read - through the eyes of ancient people. and remember - death is not a bad thing, it's a phase...
@unomnacajit111 my claims are not "wrong" .. I'm stating what is written in the bible, including the book of Job you mentioned. God killed innocent people, including children and animals, and even his very own people (ie Job's kids) .. and all for the sake of testing a single man? That is madness.
"Death is not a bad thing" .. well no it isn't .. but murder is!
And may I mention the holy spirit that god gives us. That's how he reveals many things to us who believe in him. He shows us things that those who have not surrender cant see
Hell is Necessary cause of truly Evil men. People who would argue against it have simply never experienced or become well acquainted with true Evil which any Good God must punish.
@ahmalala I suppose Hell - according to you - is Eternal Hell. But punishment has to educate and to prevent from doing wicked actions and so on, so it should not be eternal... Eternal Hell is stupid and morbid human invention, just as biblical god and all gods derived from this imbecile..
@karlawachsmann I dont know if its eternal, though it is an eternal punishment in the since of permenant death but there should be a hell for payback, if not then you will have the same fate as a baby rapist or hitler and justice wont exist.
First off... the references toward the sun implied movement (rising and setting).
Secondly.... the heavens and firmament depictions make reference to positions and/or conditions(quite literally). And though the men of the Babel made declarations, I think its quite clear that those declarations were those of men and not God.
It would help if you understood the context and way in which bible records conveyed information(records, prophecy, instruction etc). Anyways, you get the point.
and neither of the other verses after that say the sky is a dome... They call the earth a circle, which is true to a point. But that would be getting technical. Just pointing out, if people research for themselves they can make their own decisions on this. Just like i believe you need WAY more solid proof then those verses to try and prove your point to me. Those verses can EXTREMELY SHADILY be used to prove it, but not really, because you'd have to twist the words just right. Like these slides.
just got to point out, at 2.13. i looked up the verses in the bible, and it really doesn't ever say the sun revolves around the earth, explicitly or implicitly. And in all the verses, it's people talking and not God.
I think we should send "god" to hell for his idiocy and cretinism! An imbecile like "god" shouldn't have the power he suppose to possess! He seems like a complete idiot with power undeserved! What is the IQ of this supposed "god"? 65!? How could a cretin like him create a Universe? By magic!!!?
It does not matter what you say, what evidence you have, people will believe what they want. It's pretty scary that people are so desparate to believe in things and they claw at the air to try to cling to those beliefs, no matter how absurd. I read the entire Bible in 2000 with an open mind, and on my own I came to the conclusion that it is a book of mythology full of violence, evil, and lots of contradictions. It's fiction.
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The Bible, Koran, and whatever Holy Book is about as Holy as the Lord of the Rings Triology. Entertaining to read (well most of the time not really) but to say that is the word of a divine being (I don't care if one exists or not) is folly. They are so man-made I can't help but stress that fact.
I see so many misinterpretations. The Holy Scripture is deeper than we may assume. I love science, philosophy and religion. Please read the entire chapters that these Bible quotes were taken from; hopefully, people may understand the story and the point of that specific literature. I am assuming they are misinterpretations because I don’t see a reason for our intelligent friend here to purposely lie.
quran ..chapters he mentioned are (27:61)Is He [not best] who made the earth a stable ground and placed within it rivers and made for it firmly set mountains and placed between the two seas a barrier? Is there a deity with Allah ? [No], but most of them do not know.
Physics I think rules out any possibility of an external creator. Some might argue that "external" is not a proper term since truth transcends time and space. Truth is not a being however and should not be characterized as such. This conflation of truth with the idea of a supernatural power only muddies the waters and opens a back door to superstitious religion. Let's just admit that truth itself is the only transcendent and perfect creator there is and leave the anthropomorphizing behind.
@jklarson66 In my view there is no way in which Physics rules out an external creator. I'm a Christian and I'm off to study Physics at Durham, England, next year and have never found science and Christianity being in conflict. I'm not a creationist by the way if that's your problem, you don't have to be to be a Christian. Can you make your argument for this clear please or point me in the direction of anything that makes it for you? Am always up for thinking through my beliefs.
It's all perspective. The one distinction is that the deist is forced to imagine an external being that created the universe with intent. To this I reply, if God is perfect then he cannot choose to do anything but that which is perfect and therefore has no free will, rendering any intent to create the universe absolutely moot. The universe was created only because it was natural that it should be created.
I want to start out by saying great video. You said that this does not address pantheists though and that's where I wanted to add my two cents. As far as I can tell, the difference between pantheists, panenthiests, atheists, and deists is almost all semantic. What is the real difference between one who says that God is truth and another who says I don't believe in gods but rather in truth itself?
To DeistPalidin and Skeptik1. A universally accepted definition of GOD most logically should be how he introduced Himself in the Creation as EVEning, morning and day 6 times so that man was created from His likeness of 666. This 3-way image of GOD is foundational and proven over 100 times in the Bible with Bible Mathematics. This is not the trinity. I liked the video almost as much as I hate fundamentalist's stupidity.
Pretty much as this video defined it up until "but most religions don't leave it at that." And yes, I don't offer much more detail than that, since there's so much we don't know.
@DeistPaladin - Fair enough, can't find any fault in defining "GOD"s as a first cause and stopping there, to say more is to say to much, including gender or a singular he vs. plural they mind set. That said, perhaps the lines blur between terms, naturalist, pantheist, panentheist. deist. Regards
Interesting video. While I agree with what you say about religions, I cannot escape the question - what makes you think that god exists? And even if - wouldn't that be totally irrelevant? A deist god is completely intangible. In my view, deism could only be a transitional stage from theism to agnosticism (or vice versa), but it itself it appears pointless, because its claims are not only unverifiable but also entirely meaningless, because they make absolutely no difference to us.
Point taken. In fact, that's why I say on my channel description, "deism is just like atheism ...except for that part where we believe in God." I acknowledge my life wouldn't change if I ever became an atheist (except I'd have to create a whole new channel and "Atheist Paladin" is already taken). It's my sense of awe of this great machine we call the natural universe that gives me my sense of God. YMMV.
Sounds like a god of the gaps. I can definitely understand that there are things about existence that are mind boggling.
Like how distance can always be divided in half and each piece can be divided in half over and over, no matter how small you get it can always be divided!
Or how does space end? Even if you get the boundaries of the universe and its just black space outside, you can travel infinitely into it?
@DeistPaladin Perhaps your sense of God is the activation of that part of the brain that gives us that feeling. Of course the Theist would respond that God put that part of the brain there to recognise him/her/them. Since we evolved to survive in our environment I would propose that that sense of awe, that religious feeling, either has a adaptive value or is the by product of something that did. Perhaps Religion has now become maladaptive and a cure (a pill would be nice) could be found.
@dasGagaTier Atheism holds the view where the universe governed by a process without reason. Thus this results in reason, purpose, and choice being concepts rather then reality (because reason and choice cannot exist as a byproduct of a process - it can only exist as a prerequisite to it). Thus there are philosophical implications to Atheism; life without reason leads to a meaningless existence and choice is merely an illusion, for everything is governed by an intricate process.
@sacrednic Deism acknowledges that creation is the byproduct of reason and choice that lead to action and process. This is reflected in all human affairs, and how we measure intelligence in general.
Take any man-made product; everything has a reason or a purpose for it's existence, otherwise it would not exist at all. Thus if we take this as the blueprint of what is universally true, and ally it to the universe, we come to the conclusion that there is a creator of some description.
@sacrednic I cannot say anything about concepts such as "meaning" or "purpose" outside the context of human existence. My ability to identify and pursue certain goals such as reducing suffering in this world, fighting poverty and defending human rights does not depend on whether 13,4 Billion years ago this universe was brought into being by a concious agent. Either way I cannot see how this would make any difference to our lives.
@dasGagaTier You might not have any interest in the questions surrounding the purpose and origins of life, but there are many people who are .. and with huge amounts of money invested into various fields of science, philosophy and religion.
The consensus of the philosophy believed and accepted by the general public, will have an impact on society as a whole.
@sacrednic It is not that I am not interested. However, the closer you look the concept looses meaning: A purpose is always defined by an end. E.g. in Christianity the purpose of life is to win eternal life, but then, what is the purpose of eternal life? Same with: What is the "purpose" of the Universe? What is the "purpose" of existence itself or of the deity you believe in? Can't you see that "purpose is a limited, human concept and applying it here is simply anthropomorphic?
@dasGagaTier (cont) So, an ultimate purpose is logically impossible. And accepting this is not the same as being indifferent. There is still the purpose that we give our own lives. Actually Buddhism, while striving to overcome suffering is completely agnostic to purpose. The desire to end suffering simply requires compassion.
@dasGagaTier I think that by defining purpose as being the end, you negate the process and experience involved which gives rise to the meaning of it.
Purpose is found in every life-form; hence why life seeks to remain alive by whatever means necessary. Since the end for everything living is ultimately death, then for what purpose would life serve to live in the first place?
Just some first thoughts.. though will bring it up on a deism forum to see what others think.
I have to disagree on biblical geocentricity. There are only a few verses in the bible supposedly supporting geocentrism and they're all pretty vague.
pslams says in its many hymms to god that the earth is fixed in place and cannot be moved, in almost those exact words, we know now that the earth spins on its axis and move in an orbit.
christians have used the argument that this means the earth is in orbit and cannot be moved, well, that makes sense, if only they didnt use the phrase "supported by pillars" i would believe it.
Psalms are just poems though. It's not as if God himself is caught supporting geocentrism in the bible. However if there is a verse showing he does support geocentrism then i'll happily admit i was wrong. It's just that i haven't found one so far.
@generosos87 what do the pillars represent Mr. ancient hebrew-speaker? Could they represent something other than rock pillars? or did you expect Moses to understand 21st century physics names and definitions? You're basically expecting Moses to write a book like the Scientology Church is doing today(to be understood only by remote generations)... I want to call you names but i can't... instead i suggest lots of daily brainteasers, simple arithmetic exercises, puzzles, etc...
@unomnacajit111 So rather than call me name you insult my intelligence? Good alternative. All yahweh had to do was omit the word pillars, it would still make sense to moses. What could pillars supporting a planet, a sphere that moves on its own axis mind you, possibly mean? I'm not expecting moses to write a book in the way physicists of today do, plus, in accordance with christian tradition, moses didnt even write the psalms
@generosos87 replace "pillars" with "forces" and open a physics book... and Moses was just an example to make you understand how the Bible is to be read... and yes, brainteasers always help, trust me...
@unomnacajit111 And what evidence do you have that pillars ought to be replaced with the word forces. There is no word in ancient hebrew that means pilllars as well as forces. I may notbe a scholar when it comes to the hebrew language, but I at least can tell you that having done some research on it.
@generosos87 using that logic, you don't have any evidence that Hitler existed, that I am real and not a robot, and that you are really alive... I don't speak hebrew, i am just using my common sense. I cannot explain to you how the care of the year 5012 will look loke using the words that that generations will use, of a language that will only appear in 2500 years from now. Nor can I explain to you what scientists will discover in 3000 years using the words of language to be born in 2500 years..
@unomnacajit111 Of course I have evidence that hitler existed, and of course you are real and not a robot, your making a very poor analogy there. Saying that god meant for moses to write forces rather than pilars requires more evidence than simply saying, "If you replace pillars with forces it makes much more sense" which is basically all your saying. I'm finished with this, let us respectfully agree to disagree and leave it alone, are you ok with that?
The Quran does not mention that the sun revolves around the earth. Verse Cave 86-90: "Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found set in a spring of murky water: ....."
Where does the verse mention the sun revolves around the earth? This verse refers to Zul Qarnain reaching the far west where he sees the sun setting on the sea, or a body of water. You wish to twist the words of the Quran to fit your agenda?
Great work.I wanted to suggest that you grit your teeth & choke down Acharya's book Christ In Egypt if you haven't.The whole pagan influence angle is treated as a fringe view for some reason(like the mushroom & Templar loons)but folks like you owe it a good,hard look.I was surprised.I went back to the Egyptian & Sumerian myths & worked forward to Josephus & am a convinced "mythicist".Thanks again & keep up the good work.
Hi Paladin. I"ve missed your videos. Love and light to your wife. At some point, I'd like to see a video done about how Omnicience and Free Will are paradoxically opposed to each other. That would be awesome. I've just signed up for your website. Cheers!
John you're back!!!! I thought I lost you when you closed your old user account. Phew that was a close one. Not many people can destroy the holy books as good as you while still believing in God. I don't see how it's possible but it must be damn hard.
Ive read the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx and Brian Engels, and a little on Confucius. My area of expertise is Christianity, given I was a Christian for over 20 years.
I have read the Old Testament six times, and studied certain books of the Old Testament more than that.
I have read the New Testament at least 20 times; the reason for my Atheism is because I am well read regarding the Bible.
I have no time for your tyrannical murderous god of an ancient tribal peoples.
Because Islamo-Christians don't keep their beliefs to themselves. It invades all aspects of our society, including legislation, education, tax dollars, wars, etc.
And that is EXACTLY what the men who created the United States tried to avoid. Sadly, everybody thinks the whole "one nation under god" bullshit was always there, which is a lie. They also think our personal freedoms under the Constitution are god-given, which is also a lie. The only reason that the US population believes that this is a "christian nation" is because of a bunch of god-damned lies. The Founding Fathers KNEW what would happen if they incorporated christianity, and it wasn't good.
Uh, personal considerations don't mean SHIT when stacked up against tangible evidence. You don't get to "decide" if something is true or not. That's illogical and completely absurd. If there ain't no evidence, there ain't no reason to believe it.
Of course Christians don't keep their beliefs to themselves.
a) We believe that we have found a treasure that is greater than any other. To keep it hidden or to ourselves would be both selfish and unethical.
b) If people believe something, I would expect their beliefs to influence their actions. If it didn't, I would seriously question the sincerity of their beliefs.
Some things you mention though would be questionable (at best) for a follower of Christ.
Gee, why don't I just live my life according to how I feel? Make important purchases based on which item makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside? No, that's preposterous, I refuse to let my emotions dictate what I do. That's stupid, and I've seen what happens to people who act and make big decisions in life based on their "feelings" instead of taking the time to THINK about things. If I "let jezus into my heart" I have committed an unforgiveable wrong that will disrupt my life. THINKING is better.
I completely understand your thinking here Dragoon. Our beliefs do influence our actions. If you believe Hell is a real place where you really go if you haven't been "saved", then even the worst crimes of Christianity can be understood. After all, what's a little murder and torture of some unrepentant heretic if it stops him/her from corrupting our youth and sending them to unending torture in the afterlife?
This is why I spend time on Islamo-Christianity and not, say, Buddhism.
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good (Ro 12). Because a man is saved does not give him licence to commit evil. Rather the love of God that is in his heart should overflow into action.
As to your skewed perspective on Buddhism, I suggest you look up modern Burma/Myanmar, Japanese Zen/Chan Buddhism in the face of war atrocities (inc bio/chem testing), and actual Asian history in general. This is not to say that Buddhists are evil, but that all men can be.
Then why even say that when you know any blundering dolt on the internet could find a thousand war crimes committed by christians? The passage you quoted doesn't mean shit if people don't even listen to it. The face of the faith, and indeed the essence of it, is defined by the actions of the followers. The book doesn't directly constitute anything, especially if it is ignored. Besides, the bible contradicts itself hundreds of times. It's a worthless sloppy story book with mixed messaging.
NO, you do NOT get to "consider" and "choose" what's true! NOBODY can "decide" what is true, that is absolutely absurd! You don't just read the book and if you like it you take it as truth, imagine if I went around quoting Orson Scott Card novels and telling people that Ender's Game was a true story, then gave them this tripe about "oh, you can read it and if you like it then it's true".
We don't 'choose' truth... but we do weigh and consider the evidence given to us. Then, we decide if we accept it as truth.
The idea that faith must be a blind leap is a distortion of scripture. The Bible teaches that we are to love the Lord with all our heart, strength... and MIND (Luke 10:27, Mt 22:37). It also teaches that we are to test everything, and then to hold on to what is 'good' (1 Thes 5:21). Belief is not an irrational act. It is a choice.
Love him with your mind? That doesn't mean that you need evidence, hell it doesn't even mean you should think about it first. Why do you think they use the word "faith"? The church sees belief without evidence as more dedicated than belief with evidence, so it's even more promoted to believe without evidence. And yes, belief CAN be an irrational act, it it's an irrational belief. It is a choice, yes, but choices are definitely seceptible to being irrational.
The fact that the world interprets Biblical faith as meaning an irrational action does not mean it 'is'. It CAN be... but it can, and also should be one that uses all faculties.
The question of existance and God are serious enough to deserve that much at least.
I honesty don't think they are serious. To me they aren't even necessary knowledge. Wondering about shit like that offers nothing to the world. And I'm afraid I'm going to have to take the "world's interpretation" of irrationality.
If you take a common understanding that deviates from the real/actual practice... then are you really addressing the question, or are you arguing a false dialectic?
The question of existence and God leads naturally into the question of ethics and morality; what is 'right' and 'wrong'?
I would argue strongly that our world is in a mess largely because we have treated these questions as less important than money.
ie. Global Warming, Enron, Abdul Garrib, Biodiversity, wealth disparity, etc
I'm afraid I didn't quite catch that first thing you said, what exactly is a common understanding that deviates from real/actual practice? The second point is accurate, but so what? Do these concepts have to have been instilled in us by an intelligent being? I don't think so, all different kinds of societies ban all different kinds of things. Western christian morals are veeeeery different than, say, Guinean tribal morals. Morality is as various and diverse as humanity itself is.
As for your third point, just look at the societies that largely ignore these kinds of questions, like Japan, Britain, Sweden, Norway, etc. They're doing a hell of a lot better than the rest of the world, even better than the US. Here in the states people have made entire businesses (megachurches, televangelism, etc.) just by exploiting the fact that Americans are so insecure, constantly wondering "why why why?". We house 1/4 of all prisoners, none of us can read a map and we all die of cancers.
that kingdom.the people who lives there uses force to make them worship to those weird pagans.after while the king Dakyanus calls those7young and tells them if you are not gonna worship to pagan we will kill you
So 7young goes to that cave and sleeps There for309Years.this is really long so if you wanna learn about more you can search
ya sin 36 , 40 is a scientific fact : both the moon and the sun float in the space in a specific orbit , yes the sun moves in certain orbit with the other stars within the galaxy
Thanks. I just noticed yet another flaw. Beyond the fact that the earth revolves around the sun, Kepler noted that the orbits are elipses, not circles (or spheres).
"Sphere" is most likely a reference to the Ptolomaic view that there were literal spheres of the "ether" on which the celestial bodies were fixed.
the ants 27.61 tells us that god made the land as a fixed abode not the whole planet because in arabic الارض means land and recently after discovery of the planets arabic scientists choose this term to call the whole planet
the cave . verses 86 to 90 talk about a great king reaching { the rising place} and the {setting place} of the sun the farest points to the east and the west
Definition of Christianity: the belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree
If I were to claim that I can speak with alien beings because of high tech implants they placed in my brain, I'd be locked up at the local mental hospital.
If I were to claim that I can telepathically speak with a man who rose from the dead and flew into space 2000 years ago because he placed in my heart a piece of God, I'd be hailed as a brother in Christ.
One would expect to be able to trace the implants in some way, but prayer is supposed to be a spiritual activity and not require any visible physical organs.
Nuh uh, these aliens have advanced bio-technology, much like the Vorlons on Babylon 5. They took skin samples from me when I borded their spacecraft. They created the implants out of the exact same living tissue that my brain is composed of. These aliens are so considerate, they wanted to make sure the implants would be perfectly biocompatible with my system. So that's why you can't find them. They love us and want to save us so I must tell you about Fnorb the Loving...
See, now I watched that, and throughout i thought "rubbish, crap, false claim..." until it got to the sun bit. So i looked up your quotes. These quotes did not claim the sun revolves around the earth. In relation to earth, the sun appears to move, and that is what the bible says. That it rises and sets. And it clearly does. The majority of this video is spin and lies. I think its incredibly offensive in many ways.
Relying on translations when discussing religious doctrine is sometimes a very serious issue in itself. And it is much easier to deliberately distort and twist the meanings when translations are quoted. . Saying this, I feel ( and I hope I am right!!!! ) that you as an honest person, if you have checked the verses yourself, you would not have posted this video on your channel impying that it contains the truth..
Refering to 2:12 of your video, please tell me where on earth the Qura'an- (Kuran), or any translation however inaccurate it may be , says: "the SUN REVOLVES around the EARTH" or anything to that effect.????.
The cave 18:86-90 only mentions sunset and sunrise.
The Ant 27:60-61 says earth is resting place.
Ya sin 36: 39-40 says that moon and sun are both swiming in an Orbit (or space).
In all three Quotations, no way it is implied " sun rervolves AROUND the EARTH".
i am an atheist and have been since a young child, but you just made me see that when i was a 'believer' i suppose i would have been a deist. I cut out all that church stuff, which, even as a child, i could see through as a controlling device. I also did not see why people would pray to 'jesus' when they could cut the middle man straight out and talk straight to the head honcho!
"I choose my path not papism or lutheranism it's my biblical fate, disagree with me?"
No, I actually agree with you on Luther and the pope. Did I say anything about them? No.... It's the part about the bible and science going hand in hand that I made the comment on; can't you understand my comment?
Luther is a genuine ignoramous rex, Luther thinks he is the authority in the bible so he said that trash things, I think science and the bible can go hand in hand. Luther is like the xeroz copy of the pope's brain = ignorant and primitive.
Ha ha ha "I'm the unbeliever here" what a funny joke tha't makes me puke with blood now lol. I dont damn care who you are or what you believe or not believe, don't prove to the world how great of an intellectual insect you are to me it cannot stimulate my curiosity like a pussy animal, I choose my path not papism or lutheranism it's my biblical fate, disagree with me? you are an infidel swine, piss off my universe or I'll whoop your butt.
Now what bastard doctrine are you getting this from?
(King James Version)
Gen. 11: 6And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
Exactly. Read that verse again. It's dripping with alarm from Yahweh. He's expressing sheer terror at the prospect that the humans will succeed. He clearly predicts that they will succeed unless stopped.
Did you know the word for "sky" and "Heaven" were the same in ancient Hebrew? Ever wonder why Heaven is traditionally depicted as a cloud in the sky? Even today, Hollywood follows that model. Or why they thought they could get to Heaven in a tall tower?
It's because ancient Hebrews thought the clouds were the domain of Yahweh, that this was Heaven. They didn't think it was the atmosphere.
Joshua 10:12-13 (King James Version) 12Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
Here is an "explanation" from the great reformer Martin Luther. In response to the Astronomer Copernicus' proposal that all planets in our system orbit the sun. Luther believed Earth was at the center. He makes reference to Joshua.
"The fool [Copernicus] wants to turn the whole art of astronomy upside-down. However, as Holy Scripture tells us, so did Joshua bid the sun to stand still and not the earth." - Martin Luther
13And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
For this to be possible the earth needs to stand still, not the sun. Think about it, the rotation of the earth is what makes the day and night. To make the day last longer you'd have to stop the rotation of the earth.
You should trust no man but do your own searching and seeking.
Trust of man is why we are where we are today.
Most religions of today follow blindly words of men and the Vatican's every move. You do know that the Vatican owns most of the property around and under the dome of the rock and right now Obama is helping to set up a 2 state system of Palestine and Israel. They want to build that temple in the Bible, that know one believes in.
I didn't say I was a liar; remember, I'm the unbeliever here. Not all people are practicing liars. Did it ever occur to you that you may be the one blinded by lies? You are the one deceived and blinded by iron age fables.
Psalm 19:4-6 (King James Version) 4Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, 5Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. 6His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
The Tabernacle is known in Hebrew as the Mishkan ( משכן "Residence" or "Dwelling Place").
The Hebrew word, however, points to a different meaning. Mishkan is related to the Hebrew word to "dwell", "rest", or "to live in", referring to the "[In-dwelling] Presence of God"
So why do you try to say it means tent?
It could be my house your house the lords house or a cave ect.
You can't simplify the Hebrew words of that day to fit your lies of today.
38-40 It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law).
36-36- Glory to Allah, Who created in pairs all things that the earth produces, as well as their own (human) kind and (other) things of which they have no knowledge
27:61- Or, Who made the earth a restingplace, and made in it rivers, and raised on it mountains and placed between the two seas a barrier. Is there a god with Allah? Nay! most of them do not know!
18:86-Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea, and found by it a people. We said: O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit.
i am very sorry for those people they don't have any knowledge about Islam. He mentioned quran said the sun revolves around the earth. he mentioned 3 chapter from quran. non of this verses said sun revolves around the sun. Read quran. ask the people who speak arabic (christian arab and muslim arab) ask them to translate for you. READ QURAN NOW!!
18:86-89 says that the sun rises and sets at particular places. (sets in a muddy spring of all places)
27:61 says the earth is a fixed abode so logically if the sun rises and sets...it would have to be to sun circling the earth since the earth is a fixed abode.
36:36-40 says how the sun and moon float in an orbit and the sun and moon don't overtake each other so night and day happen accordingly.
Do you think your deity has been round forever? Infinite powerful being an all that stuff.
RedGiant81 2 weeks ago
the only Bible critics are those who haven't read it, or have failed to read it through the eyes of ancient people, or have failed to realise that they're using translations of an incredibly complex language, or all together... How would you descride a team of helicopters if you were sitting in a cave 2000 years ago and had a vision about the 3rd world war? Would you call the "locusts"? Don't assume you have any new critique of the Bible. That's arrogant. Every letter has been studied ...
unomnacajit111 3 weeks ago
God is not a man, "gealosy" in the hebrew original means impartial judgement, He doesn't want human sacrifice, the only "representative" is Jesus Christ, organized religion has very little to do with Christianity, God didn't write any books, revolution is relative, the universe really can take the shape of a dome,the Bible doesn't say you can reach it but that the builders wanted to, you're too ignorant to learn about demonic posession,the 1000 year lives were all pre-Noah, and the text box ends
unomnacajit111 3 weeks ago
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imagin a piece of paper (2D environment) andrawn people living in there. Now imagine you put a finger through that paper. What would the 2D people see? They would see a circle appearing on the paper and then dissapearing. They wouldn't be able to explain it. But you, the 3D being, would know that's a finger going through their 2D world. Get it? Do your research, Revelations is 100% accurate so far. And there's very little left to be fulfilled... Pray to Jesus. But be 100% sincere.
unomnacajit111 3 weeks ago
Can anyone give me links that show a time line of when The Gospels were written and when The New Testament books of Paul were written?
vampkiller760 1 month ago
@vampkiller760 search for "How We Got Our Bible New Testament" but don't look into the numerology part...
unomnacajit111 3 weeks ago
God is real, and He loves you.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
God Is Always with everybody who believes in god..
LilmarioSantana 2 months ago
The Maker of hydrogen working inside of us, has to be all knowing, all powerful and able to stretch out the fabric of time space so that it has function.
Then our Creator has to order all of the functions that make our existence possible.
Then the only one who can remake us again and translate us into forever after our own fall into corruption is our Maker because there is no one else who can.
All of our sin is on and against our Maker whether we want it to be or not.
watch?v=HoKVVYJ8KJM
JungleJargon 3 months ago
This would have to be one of my favourite quotes of Thomas Paine:
"The study of theology as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and admits of no conclusion."
That's 18th Century ownage right there :)
sacrednic 4 months ago
@sacrednic wanna know what my favourite quote is? It's from someone who addressed certain "fools" that would appear and grow near the end days. It basically sais "WHERE DO THE LAWS OF PHYSICS COME FROM ??? ". That someone happens to be God (in Job) and the fools of the latter days happen to be the atheists...
unomnacajit111 3 weeks ago
@unomnacajit111 oh you mean the same god (in Job) who gave permission for Satan to kill all of Job's family, and inflict sores which leaked pus?
The same god who killed millions of innocents in the alleged flood mentioned in Genesis?
The same god who instructed Moses and his people to kill all the men, and rape virgin women in Numbers?
The same god that claims he has the power to do anything, but does nothing .. a viciously cruel god who demands love but never gives it.
sacrednic 3 weeks ago
@sacrednic to answer all of your questions. Read the book of enoch, the "innocents" you refer to were in fact nephilim. Also, the inlfictions on Job were merely tests of his faith, and he got everything back seven fold when it was done.
Btw I'm not serious, just giving christian responses I've heard to justify those acts.
generosos87 3 weeks ago
@generosos87 they justify anything that their god says is permissible. That's what makes christianity so dangerous and inconsistent; because their god says one thing, but then does another .. the compass of morality continually changing in extremes depending on the age and circumstance.
I was referring to the acts which were carried out against the inhabitants of Cannan .. so that god's people could take the land for themselves.
sacrednic 3 weeks ago
@sacrednic all of your claims are wrong... read the Bible like it's supposed to be read - through the eyes of ancient people. and remember - death is not a bad thing, it's a phase...
unomnacajit111 3 weeks ago
@unomnacajit111 my claims are not "wrong" .. I'm stating what is written in the bible, including the book of Job you mentioned. God killed innocent people, including children and animals, and even his very own people (ie Job's kids) .. and all for the sake of testing a single man? That is madness.
"Death is not a bad thing" .. well no it isn't .. but murder is!
sacrednic 3 weeks ago
THE UNIVERSE IS GOD!!!
JesusACruz64 7 months ago
the biggest joke in the universe is the god of the bible
IconicInfidel 8 months ago
The God of the Bible and Koran, lets us also include the Torah, is Satan himself.
now1963 10 months ago
In my best Mr Rogers voice...
Can you say "Straw man"?
Sure, I knew you could.
tnyrb444b 11 months ago
well done. this was spot on.
MrLightenUp 1 year ago
to see more on bible study see Bible study manual by Michael Youngblood
TheBiblestudyman 1 year ago
And may I mention the holy spirit that god gives us. That's how he reveals many things to us who believe in him. He shows us things that those who have not surrender cant see
miGONGYOO 1 year ago
@miGONGYOO : You are so fucked up :) Go pray, sheep.
bary1234 10 months ago
Hell is Necessary cause of truly Evil men. People who would argue against it have simply never experienced or become well acquainted with true Evil which any Good God must punish.
ahmalala 1 year ago
@ahmalala I suppose Hell - according to you - is Eternal Hell. But punishment has to educate and to prevent from doing wicked actions and so on, so it should not be eternal... Eternal Hell is stupid and morbid human invention, just as biblical god and all gods derived from this imbecile..
karlawachsmann 1 year ago
@karlawachsmann I dont know if its eternal, though it is an eternal punishment in the since of permenant death but there should be a hell for payback, if not then you will have the same fate as a baby rapist or hitler and justice wont exist.
ahmalala 1 year ago
First off... the references toward the sun implied movement (rising and setting).
Secondly.... the heavens and firmament depictions make reference to positions and/or conditions(quite literally). And though the men of the Babel made declarations, I think its quite clear that those declarations were those of men and not God.
It would help if you understood the context and way in which bible records conveyed information(records, prophecy, instruction etc). Anyways, you get the point.
SmalltimR 1 year ago
You must watch this series.
Deconversion is one of the best series you will see.
watch?v=12rP8ybp13s
gjsterp 1 year ago
What song is this? It's sweet
Oppo28 1 year ago
and neither of the other verses after that say the sky is a dome... They call the earth a circle, which is true to a point. But that would be getting technical. Just pointing out, if people research for themselves they can make their own decisions on this. Just like i believe you need WAY more solid proof then those verses to try and prove your point to me. Those verses can EXTREMELY SHADILY be used to prove it, but not really, because you'd have to twist the words just right. Like these slides.
302Travis 1 year ago
just got to point out, at 2.13. i looked up the verses in the bible, and it really doesn't ever say the sun revolves around the earth, explicitly or implicitly. And in all the verses, it's people talking and not God.
302Travis 1 year ago
I was a skeptic until I saw this video. Now I'm a true believer. Thank you Jesus.
stranger7138 1 year ago
I think we should send "god" to hell for his idiocy and cretinism! An imbecile like "god" shouldn't have the power he suppose to possess! He seems like a complete idiot with power undeserved! What is the IQ of this supposed "god"? 65!? How could a cretin like him create a Universe? By magic!!!?
armelix73 1 year ago
It does not matter what you say, what evidence you have, people will believe what they want. It's pretty scary that people are so desparate to believe in things and they claw at the air to try to cling to those beliefs, no matter how absurd. I read the entire Bible in 2000 with an open mind, and on my own I came to the conclusion that it is a book of mythology full of violence, evil, and lots of contradictions. It's fiction.
pauswa1966 1 year ago
I thought you might like this. talk-to-god-online[dot]com it's a SOFTWARE PRODUCT! It takes random words from random files and spits them out. Give it a try!
t3prhzr 1 year ago
-Your scripture references for the sun not being in the center and the "dome" slide are not supporting either.
- God took the form of a man while on earth. The same concept as water taking the form of ice in the freezer.
- He doesn't like blood. He demanded it in the time of the law in the OT. By the way it came with a promise and it didn't envolve human sacrafice.
- The "representatives" are not great examples of believers. Show me a man not corrupted by polotics.
- "fag" guy is crazy
MYASHASH 1 year ago
The Bible, Koran, and whatever Holy Book is about as Holy as the Lord of the Rings Triology. Entertaining to read (well most of the time not really) but to say that is the word of a divine being (I don't care if one exists or not) is folly. They are so man-made I can't help but stress that fact.
supersmash43 1 year ago
I see so many misinterpretations. The Holy Scripture is deeper than we may assume. I love science, philosophy and religion. Please read the entire chapters that these Bible quotes were taken from; hopefully, people may understand the story and the point of that specific literature. I am assuming they are misinterpretations because I don’t see a reason for our intelligent friend here to purposely lie.
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Icu111able 1 year ago
The actual translation is a circle of the earth.
alashieve 1 year ago
quran ..chapters he mentioned are (27:61)Is He [not best] who made the earth a stable ground and placed within it rivers and made for it firmly set mountains and placed between the two seas a barrier? Is there a deity with Allah ? [No], but most of them do not know.
nemo9669 1 year ago
amazing video
XxxxxxxARIESxxxxxxX 1 year ago
Physics I think rules out any possibility of an external creator. Some might argue that "external" is not a proper term since truth transcends time and space. Truth is not a being however and should not be characterized as such. This conflation of truth with the idea of a supernatural power only muddies the waters and opens a back door to superstitious religion. Let's just admit that truth itself is the only transcendent and perfect creator there is and leave the anthropomorphizing behind.
jklarson66 1 year ago
@jklarson66 In my view there is no way in which Physics rules out an external creator. I'm a Christian and I'm off to study Physics at Durham, England, next year and have never found science and Christianity being in conflict. I'm not a creationist by the way if that's your problem, you don't have to be to be a Christian. Can you make your argument for this clear please or point me in the direction of anything that makes it for you? Am always up for thinking through my beliefs.
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jklarson66 1 year ago
It's all perspective. The one distinction is that the deist is forced to imagine an external being that created the universe with intent. To this I reply, if God is perfect then he cannot choose to do anything but that which is perfect and therefore has no free will, rendering any intent to create the universe absolutely moot. The universe was created only because it was natural that it should be created.
jklarson66 1 year ago
I want to start out by saying great video. You said that this does not address pantheists though and that's where I wanted to add my two cents. As far as I can tell, the difference between pantheists, panenthiests, atheists, and deists is almost all semantic. What is the real difference between one who says that God is truth and another who says I don't believe in gods but rather in truth itself?
jklarson66 1 year ago
To DeistPalidin and Skeptik1. A universally accepted definition of GOD most logically should be how he introduced Himself in the Creation as EVEning, morning and day 6 times so that man was created from His likeness of 666. This 3-way image of GOD is foundational and proven over 100 times in the Bible with Bible Mathematics. This is not the trinity. I liked the video almost as much as I hate fundamentalist's stupidity.
TheJwfarquhar 1 year ago
i like fucking jesus up ihs ass
yourallstoopid 1 year ago
As a deist, I enjoyed this.
SalSanMar3 1 year ago
There is no universal agreement or understanding of "GOD"s. Sorry.........
Beyond that , pretty good presentation.
1Skeptik1 2 years ago
Point well taken. You'll note that I said "IF there is a universally accepted definition of God..." As in, this is as close as I think we could come.
Since Islamo-Christians would agree, that's where I start. This video isn't addressing pantheists.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
@DeistPaladin - Greetings and thanks. Curious, As deist, do you attempt to define "GOD" at all?
Regards
1Skeptik1 1 year ago
@1Skeptik1
Pretty much as this video defined it up until "but most religions don't leave it at that." And yes, I don't offer much more detail than that, since there's so much we don't know.
DeistPaladin 1 year ago
@DeistPaladin - Fair enough, can't find any fault in defining "GOD"s as a first cause and stopping there, to say more is to say to much, including gender or a singular he vs. plural they mind set. That said, perhaps the lines blur between terms, naturalist, pantheist, panentheist. deist. Regards
1Skeptik1 1 year ago
@1Skeptik1
why bother
ihatemikestanley 9 months ago
Interesting video. While I agree with what you say about religions, I cannot escape the question - what makes you think that god exists? And even if - wouldn't that be totally irrelevant? A deist god is completely intangible. In my view, deism could only be a transitional stage from theism to agnosticism (or vice versa), but it itself it appears pointless, because its claims are not only unverifiable but also entirely meaningless, because they make absolutely no difference to us.
dasGagaTier 2 years ago 2
Point taken. In fact, that's why I say on my channel description, "deism is just like atheism ...except for that part where we believe in God." I acknowledge my life wouldn't change if I ever became an atheist (except I'd have to create a whole new channel and "Atheist Paladin" is already taken). It's my sense of awe of this great machine we call the natural universe that gives me my sense of God. YMMV.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
Sounds like a god of the gaps. I can definitely understand that there are things about existence that are mind boggling.
Like how distance can always be divided in half and each piece can be divided in half over and over, no matter how small you get it can always be divided!
Or how does space end? Even if you get the boundaries of the universe and its just black space outside, you can travel infinitely into it?
What caused the universe to start?
And evolution..
So yeah, I see your angle.
xXAkridXx 2 years ago
@DeistPaladin Perhaps your sense of God is the activation of that part of the brain that gives us that feeling. Of course the Theist would respond that God put that part of the brain there to recognise him/her/them. Since we evolved to survive in our environment I would propose that that sense of awe, that religious feeling, either has a adaptive value or is the by product of something that did. Perhaps Religion has now become maladaptive and a cure (a pill would be nice) could be found.
Dchellberg 1 year ago
@dasGagaTier Atheism holds the view where the universe governed by a process without reason. Thus this results in reason, purpose, and choice being concepts rather then reality (because reason and choice cannot exist as a byproduct of a process - it can only exist as a prerequisite to it). Thus there are philosophical implications to Atheism; life without reason leads to a meaningless existence and choice is merely an illusion, for everything is governed by an intricate process.
sacrednic 3 weeks ago
@sacrednic Deism acknowledges that creation is the byproduct of reason and choice that lead to action and process. This is reflected in all human affairs, and how we measure intelligence in general.
Take any man-made product; everything has a reason or a purpose for it's existence, otherwise it would not exist at all. Thus if we take this as the blueprint of what is universally true, and ally it to the universe, we come to the conclusion that there is a creator of some description.
sacrednic 3 weeks ago
@sacrednic I cannot say anything about concepts such as "meaning" or "purpose" outside the context of human existence. My ability to identify and pursue certain goals such as reducing suffering in this world, fighting poverty and defending human rights does not depend on whether 13,4 Billion years ago this universe was brought into being by a concious agent. Either way I cannot see how this would make any difference to our lives.
dasGagaTier 2 weeks ago
@dasGagaTier You might not have any interest in the questions surrounding the purpose and origins of life, but there are many people who are .. and with huge amounts of money invested into various fields of science, philosophy and religion.
The consensus of the philosophy believed and accepted by the general public, will have an impact on society as a whole.
sacrednic 2 weeks ago
@sacrednic It is not that I am not interested. However, the closer you look the concept looses meaning: A purpose is always defined by an end. E.g. in Christianity the purpose of life is to win eternal life, but then, what is the purpose of eternal life? Same with: What is the "purpose" of the Universe? What is the "purpose" of existence itself or of the deity you believe in? Can't you see that "purpose is a limited, human concept and applying it here is simply anthropomorphic?
dasGagaTier 2 weeks ago
@dasGagaTier (cont) So, an ultimate purpose is logically impossible. And accepting this is not the same as being indifferent. There is still the purpose that we give our own lives. Actually Buddhism, while striving to overcome suffering is completely agnostic to purpose. The desire to end suffering simply requires compassion.
dasGagaTier 2 weeks ago
@dasGagaTier I think that by defining purpose as being the end, you negate the process and experience involved which gives rise to the meaning of it.
Purpose is found in every life-form; hence why life seeks to remain alive by whatever means necessary. Since the end for everything living is ultimately death, then for what purpose would life serve to live in the first place?
Just some first thoughts.. though will bring it up on a deism forum to see what others think.
sacrednic 1 week ago in playlist Liked videos
I have to disagree on biblical geocentricity. There are only a few verses in the bible supposedly supporting geocentrism and they're all pretty vague.
Moussyed 2 years ago 6
pslams says in its many hymms to god that the earth is fixed in place and cannot be moved, in almost those exact words, we know now that the earth spins on its axis and move in an orbit.
christians have used the argument that this means the earth is in orbit and cannot be moved, well, that makes sense, if only they didnt use the phrase "supported by pillars" i would believe it.
generosos87 2 years ago 5
Psalms are just poems though. It's not as if God himself is caught supporting geocentrism in the bible. However if there is a verse showing he does support geocentrism then i'll happily admit i was wrong. It's just that i haven't found one so far.
Moussyed 2 years ago
@generosos87 I'm agnostic. Maybe, just maybe, the pillars we're a metaphorical term for the atmosphere?
iLiempt 1 year ago
@generosos87 what do the pillars represent Mr. ancient hebrew-speaker? Could they represent something other than rock pillars? or did you expect Moses to understand 21st century physics names and definitions? You're basically expecting Moses to write a book like the Scientology Church is doing today(to be understood only by remote generations)... I want to call you names but i can't... instead i suggest lots of daily brainteasers, simple arithmetic exercises, puzzles, etc...
unomnacajit111 3 weeks ago
@unomnacajit111 So rather than call me name you insult my intelligence? Good alternative. All yahweh had to do was omit the word pillars, it would still make sense to moses. What could pillars supporting a planet, a sphere that moves on its own axis mind you, possibly mean? I'm not expecting moses to write a book in the way physicists of today do, plus, in accordance with christian tradition, moses didnt even write the psalms
generosos87 3 weeks ago
@generosos87 replace "pillars" with "forces" and open a physics book... and Moses was just an example to make you understand how the Bible is to be read... and yes, brainteasers always help, trust me...
unomnacajit111 3 weeks ago
@unomnacajit111 And what evidence do you have that pillars ought to be replaced with the word forces. There is no word in ancient hebrew that means pilllars as well as forces. I may notbe a scholar when it comes to the hebrew language, but I at least can tell you that having done some research on it.
generosos87 3 weeks ago
@generosos87 using that logic, you don't have any evidence that Hitler existed, that I am real and not a robot, and that you are really alive... I don't speak hebrew, i am just using my common sense. I cannot explain to you how the care of the year 5012 will look loke using the words that that generations will use, of a language that will only appear in 2500 years from now. Nor can I explain to you what scientists will discover in 3000 years using the words of language to be born in 2500 years..
unomnacajit111 3 weeks ago
@unomnacajit111 *car
unomnacajit111 3 weeks ago
@unomnacajit111 Of course I have evidence that hitler existed, and of course you are real and not a robot, your making a very poor analogy there. Saying that god meant for moses to write forces rather than pilars requires more evidence than simply saying, "If you replace pillars with forces it makes much more sense" which is basically all your saying. I'm finished with this, let us respectfully agree to disagree and leave it alone, are you ok with that?
generosos87 3 weeks ago
The Quran does not mention that the sun revolves around the earth. Verse Cave 86-90: "Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found set in a spring of murky water: ....."
Where does the verse mention the sun revolves around the earth? This verse refers to Zul Qarnain reaching the far west where he sees the sun setting on the sea, or a body of water. You wish to twist the words of the Quran to fit your agenda?
Alladin2001 2 years ago
Great work.I wanted to suggest that you grit your teeth & choke down Acharya's book Christ In Egypt if you haven't.The whole pagan influence angle is treated as a fringe view for some reason(like the mushroom & Templar loons)but folks like you owe it a good,hard look.I was surprised.I went back to the Egyptian & Sumerian myths & worked forward to Josephus & am a convinced "mythicist".Thanks again & keep up the good work.
jeffphansen77 2 years ago
Hi Paladin. I"ve missed your videos. Love and light to your wife. At some point, I'd like to see a video done about how Omnicience and Free Will are paradoxically opposed to each other. That would be awesome. I've just signed up for your website. Cheers!
Hereticbooks 2 years ago
This video is the exact reason why most christians don't read their bible's.
666Weegee 2 years ago
John you're back!!!! I thought I lost you when you closed your old user account. Phew that was a close one. Not many people can destroy the holy books as good as you while still believing in God. I don't see how it's possible but it must be damn hard.
Cr8zyCanuck 2 years ago
We are all free to believe as we choose. Each of us is free to accept or reject what God has provided.
I would recommend that instead of accepting what people 'say' the Bible teaches, you pick up a copy and read it yourself though.
Oh... and for our Muslim friends who have posted here;
asalaam alaikuum,
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth. (John 4:24)
God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. (Nu23:19)
DragoonEnNoir 2 years ago
Oh, so because it says it in the Bible therefore it MUST be true DragoonEnNoir. LMAO.
EwePeopleRsheeple 2 years ago
If you're looking to find out about Marxism, then reading the writings of Karl Marx vs would make sense.
If you're looking to discover about the Confuscius, then actually reading the Analects would be a good starting point.
If you're looking to learn about the God of the Bible, then the Bible would be the best point to begin.
Is it 'true'? That's something you need to consider for yourself after weighing the details.
DragoonEnNoir 2 years ago
Ive read the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx and Brian Engels, and a little on Confucius. My area of expertise is Christianity, given I was a Christian for over 20 years.
I have read the Old Testament six times, and studied certain books of the Old Testament more than that.
I have read the New Testament at least 20 times; the reason for my Atheism is because I am well read regarding the Bible.
I have no time for your tyrannical murderous god of an ancient tribal peoples.
EwePeopleRsheeple 2 years ago 2
Hi Ewe,
I think it's good you have read the Bible. If you've made your personal choice regarding God, then that is completely your 'right'.
Why are you so upset that others may have chosen differently than you?
Perhaps where you see a tyrannical murderous god, I've found a God who is none of those things. If I have, why are you so upset by it?
DragoonEnNoir 2 years ago
Because Islamo-Christians don't keep their beliefs to themselves. It invades all aspects of our society, including legislation, education, tax dollars, wars, etc.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
And that is EXACTLY what the men who created the United States tried to avoid. Sadly, everybody thinks the whole "one nation under god" bullshit was always there, which is a lie. They also think our personal freedoms under the Constitution are god-given, which is also a lie. The only reason that the US population believes that this is a "christian nation" is because of a bunch of god-damned lies. The Founding Fathers KNEW what would happen if they incorporated christianity, and it wasn't good.
338dmac 2 years ago
Uh, personal considerations don't mean SHIT when stacked up against tangible evidence. You don't get to "decide" if something is true or not. That's illogical and completely absurd. If there ain't no evidence, there ain't no reason to believe it.
338dmac 2 years ago
Hello Deist,
Of course Christians don't keep their beliefs to themselves.
a) We believe that we have found a treasure that is greater than any other. To keep it hidden or to ourselves would be both selfish and unethical.
b) If people believe something, I would expect their beliefs to influence their actions. If it didn't, I would seriously question the sincerity of their beliefs.
Some things you mention though would be questionable (at best) for a follower of Christ.
DragoonEnNoir 2 years ago
Hey 338d,
Yup. I agree. Their should be evidence.
For myself, the evidence was sufficient. Try an experiment.
Ask God to provide you with evidence, and for yourself to be open to it.
If He is not real, you've haven't wasted time... you've been conducting personal research!
If He is real...
DragoonEnNoir 2 years ago
Gee, why don't I just live my life according to how I feel? Make important purchases based on which item makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside? No, that's preposterous, I refuse to let my emotions dictate what I do. That's stupid, and I've seen what happens to people who act and make big decisions in life based on their "feelings" instead of taking the time to THINK about things. If I "let jezus into my heart" I have committed an unforgiveable wrong that will disrupt my life. THINKING is better.
338dmac 2 years ago
I completely understand your thinking here Dragoon. Our beliefs do influence our actions. If you believe Hell is a real place where you really go if you haven't been "saved", then even the worst crimes of Christianity can be understood. After all, what's a little murder and torture of some unrepentant heretic if it stops him/her from corrupting our youth and sending them to unending torture in the afterlife?
This is why I spend time on Islamo-Christianity and not, say, Buddhism.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
Hi Deist,
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good (Ro 12). Because a man is saved does not give him licence to commit evil. Rather the love of God that is in his heart should overflow into action.
As to your skewed perspective on Buddhism, I suggest you look up modern Burma/Myanmar, Japanese Zen/Chan Buddhism in the face of war atrocities (inc bio/chem testing), and actual Asian history in general. This is not to say that Buddhists are evil, but that all men can be.
DragoonEnNoir 2 years ago
Then why even say that when you know any blundering dolt on the internet could find a thousand war crimes committed by christians? The passage you quoted doesn't mean shit if people don't even listen to it. The face of the faith, and indeed the essence of it, is defined by the actions of the followers. The book doesn't directly constitute anything, especially if it is ignored. Besides, the bible contradicts itself hundreds of times. It's a worthless sloppy story book with mixed messaging.
338dmac 2 years ago
NO, you do NOT get to "consider" and "choose" what's true! NOBODY can "decide" what is true, that is absolutely absurd! You don't just read the book and if you like it you take it as truth, imagine if I went around quoting Orson Scott Card novels and telling people that Ender's Game was a true story, then gave them this tripe about "oh, you can read it and if you like it then it's true".
338dmac 2 years ago
Hi 338d,
We don't 'choose' truth... but we do weigh and consider the evidence given to us. Then, we decide if we accept it as truth.
The idea that faith must be a blind leap is a distortion of scripture. The Bible teaches that we are to love the Lord with all our heart, strength... and MIND (Luke 10:27, Mt 22:37). It also teaches that we are to test everything, and then to hold on to what is 'good' (1 Thes 5:21). Belief is not an irrational act. It is a choice.
DragoonEnNoir 2 years ago
Love him with your mind? That doesn't mean that you need evidence, hell it doesn't even mean you should think about it first. Why do you think they use the word "faith"? The church sees belief without evidence as more dedicated than belief with evidence, so it's even more promoted to believe without evidence. And yes, belief CAN be an irrational act, it it's an irrational belief. It is a choice, yes, but choices are definitely seceptible to being irrational.
338dmac 2 years ago
The fact that the world interprets Biblical faith as meaning an irrational action does not mean it 'is'. It CAN be... but it can, and also should be one that uses all faculties.
The question of existance and God are serious enough to deserve that much at least.
DragoonEnNoir 2 years ago
I honesty don't think they are serious. To me they aren't even necessary knowledge. Wondering about shit like that offers nothing to the world. And I'm afraid I'm going to have to take the "world's interpretation" of irrationality.
338dmac 2 years ago
If you take a common understanding that deviates from the real/actual practice... then are you really addressing the question, or are you arguing a false dialectic?
The question of existence and God leads naturally into the question of ethics and morality; what is 'right' and 'wrong'?
I would argue strongly that our world is in a mess largely because we have treated these questions as less important than money.
ie. Global Warming, Enron, Abdul Garrib, Biodiversity, wealth disparity, etc
DragoonEnNoir 2 years ago
I'm afraid I didn't quite catch that first thing you said, what exactly is a common understanding that deviates from real/actual practice? The second point is accurate, but so what? Do these concepts have to have been instilled in us by an intelligent being? I don't think so, all different kinds of societies ban all different kinds of things. Western christian morals are veeeeery different than, say, Guinean tribal morals. Morality is as various and diverse as humanity itself is.
338dmac 2 years ago
As for your third point, just look at the societies that largely ignore these kinds of questions, like Japan, Britain, Sweden, Norway, etc. They're doing a hell of a lot better than the rest of the world, even better than the US. Here in the states people have made entire businesses (megachurches, televangelism, etc.) just by exploiting the fact that Americans are so insecure, constantly wondering "why why why?". We house 1/4 of all prisoners, none of us can read a map and we all die of cancers.
338dmac 2 years ago
PART2for Who lived1000YEARS
that kingdom.the people who lives there uses force to make them worship to those weird pagans.after while the king Dakyanus calls those7young and tells them if you are not gonna worship to pagan we will kill you
So 7young goes to that cave and sleeps There for309Years.this is really long so if you wanna learn about more you can search
there is names of those boys
Yemlihâ,Mekselinâ,Mislinâ,Mernuş, Debernuş,Şâzenuş,Kefeştatayyuş.
And their dog's Kıtmîr
youzula 2 years ago
Kuran Doesnt says There is People Lived like 1000 Years ...
But there is something we all know ...
The Cave of Eshab-ı Kehf (cave is in Turkey at Diyerbakir which is city)
the arabic word Kehf means Big Cave , eshab-i means Friend (but really close friends like brothers )
Kuran Just Says ... At 17. sura (im translatin that into english so its not %100 what it says )
the time when paganism getting weaker , 7 young getting torture cuz they belive to 1 God and they just escaped from
youzula 2 years ago
NO NO NO NO ,
KURAN DOESNT SAY's GOD is MALE !!!!
ONLY BIBLE SAYS THAT AND I DONT KNOW ABOUT TORAH....
But , IN ENGLISH YOU HAVE the words
SHE AND HE ...So when 1 muslim talks about God they Says He is .......
but languages like Turkish Has no definition for he or She means God is Not male or Female ...
In Kuran im sure it says , God is not male or female ... GOD IS GOD
youzula 2 years ago
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WorldWideWeality 2 years ago
When I do a really foul smelling crap. Did god make that too? Or does he concentrate on a nicer smelling creation. And leaves the feces to satin.
Theology can be so challenging, I love it!
movieklump 2 years ago
That's where holy crap comes from.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
love the music
3L3M3NTO 2 years ago
67 . 3 in the quran states :who has created the seven heavens above each other .. where did yoiu get this dome from
MrSaladin1984 2 years ago
ya sin 36 , 40 is a scientific fact : both the moon and the sun float in the space in a specific orbit , yes the sun moves in certain orbit with the other stars within the galaxy
MrSaladin1984 2 years ago
SHAKIR: Neither is it allowable to the sun that it should overtake the moon, nor can the night outstrip the day; and all float on in a sphere.
Sphere eh?
Syychro 2 years ago
Thanks. I just noticed yet another flaw. Beyond the fact that the earth revolves around the sun, Kepler noted that the orbits are elipses, not circles (or spheres).
"Sphere" is most likely a reference to the Ptolomaic view that there were literal spheres of the "ether" on which the celestial bodies were fixed.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
the ants 27.61 tells us that god made the land as a fixed abode not the whole planet because in arabic الارض means land and recently after discovery of the planets arabic scientists choose this term to call the whole planet
MrSaladin1984 2 years ago
the cave . verses 86 to 90 talk about a great king reaching { the rising place} and the {setting place} of the sun the farest points to the east and the west
MrSaladin1984 2 years ago
Definition of Christianity: the belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree
-- Unknown.
sads404 2 years ago
If I were to claim that I can speak with alien beings because of high tech implants they placed in my brain, I'd be locked up at the local mental hospital.
If I were to claim that I can telepathically speak with a man who rose from the dead and flew into space 2000 years ago because he placed in my heart a piece of God, I'd be hailed as a brother in Christ.
I guess delusional is relative. [/snark].
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
One would expect to be able to trace the implants in some way, but prayer is supposed to be a spiritual activity and not require any visible physical organs.
usenetposts 2 years ago
[role playing/]
Nuh uh, these aliens have advanced bio-technology, much like the Vorlons on Babylon 5. They took skin samples from me when I borded their spacecraft. They created the implants out of the exact same living tissue that my brain is composed of. These aliens are so considerate, they wanted to make sure the implants would be perfectly biocompatible with my system. So that's why you can't find them. They love us and want to save us so I must tell you about Fnorb the Loving...
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
See, now I watched that, and throughout i thought "rubbish, crap, false claim..." until it got to the sun bit. So i looked up your quotes. These quotes did not claim the sun revolves around the earth. In relation to earth, the sun appears to move, and that is what the bible says. That it rises and sets. And it clearly does. The majority of this video is spin and lies. I think its incredibly offensive in many ways.
switchmatrixfurret 2 years ago
no need to believe there is a creator at all of any kind...period. I am more than happy just to say i don't no.
reasonnotgod 2 years ago 3
Relying on translations when discussing religious doctrine is sometimes a very serious issue in itself. And it is much easier to deliberately distort and twist the meanings when translations are quoted. . Saying this, I feel ( and I hope I am right!!!! ) that you as an honest person, if you have checked the verses yourself, you would not have posted this video on your channel impying that it contains the truth..
SuperOpenminded 2 years ago
Hi John,
Refering to 2:12 of your video, please tell me where on earth the Qura'an- (Kuran), or any translation however inaccurate it may be , says: "the SUN REVOLVES around the EARTH" or anything to that effect.????.
The cave 18:86-90 only mentions sunset and sunrise.
The Ant 27:60-61 says earth is resting place.
Ya sin 36: 39-40 says that moon and sun are both swiming in an Orbit (or space).
In all three Quotations, no way it is implied " sun rervolves AROUND the EARTH".
SuperOpenminded 2 years ago
yh i just checked that too, it doesnt say it nowhere.
i wonder what he is reading?
soldier192 2 years ago
Skeptics Annotated Koran.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
Actually skeptics themselves criticize SAK for quote mining.
ahmarsidd 2 years ago
i am an atheist and have been since a young child, but you just made me see that when i was a 'believer' i suppose i would have been a deist. I cut out all that church stuff, which, even as a child, i could see through as a controlling device. I also did not see why people would pray to 'jesus' when they could cut the middle man straight out and talk straight to the head honcho!
WindRunnerVX 2 years ago 3
"I choose my path not papism or lutheranism it's my biblical fate, disagree with me?"
No, I actually agree with you on Luther and the pope. Did I say anything about them? No.... It's the part about the bible and science going hand in hand that I made the comment on; can't you understand my comment?
christoclaster 2 years ago
Luther is a genuine ignoramous rex, Luther thinks he is the authority in the bible so he said that trash things, I think science and the bible can go hand in hand. Luther is like the xeroz copy of the pope's brain = ignorant and primitive.
oseanic1980 2 years ago
"I think science and the bible can go hand in hand"
HAHAHA! That's a very funny joke you made right there!
christoclaster 2 years ago 3
Ha ha ha "I'm the unbeliever here" what a funny joke tha't makes me puke with blood now lol. I dont damn care who you are or what you believe or not believe, don't prove to the world how great of an intellectual insect you are to me it cannot stimulate my curiosity like a pussy animal, I choose my path not papism or lutheranism it's my biblical fate, disagree with me? you are an infidel swine, piss off my universe or I'll whoop your butt.
oseanic1980 2 years ago
Gen 11: 1-9
You don't understand ( setting yourself up as god )( reaching the heavens ) not a physical jack and the beanstalk fable but a frame of mind.
It still goes on today
Also see : Isaiah 14:12-17
monkeyracetheshill 2 years ago
QUOTE: "You don't understand ( setting yourself up as god )( reaching the heavens ) not a physical jack and the beanstalk fable but a frame of mind."
The verses specifically say (verse 6 in particular) that the venture will succeed. Yahweh is absolutely frightened of this insurrection.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
No it does not say that, in the real Bible.
Now what bastard doctrine are you getting this from?
(King James Version)
Gen. 11: 6And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
monkeyracetheshill 2 years ago
QUOTE: "King James Version"
Exactly. Read that verse again. It's dripping with alarm from Yahweh. He's expressing sheer terror at the prospect that the humans will succeed. He clearly predicts that they will succeed unless stopped.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
Now Gen 1: 6-8 and Isaiah 40:22
I will beat you with science on this one.
I don't have to dispute because the sky is a dome ( science will even tell you that ) It's called atmospheres ( many domes over the earth).
Wow how did they know that in 400AD(CE) the era you will say the Bible was written.
monkeyracetheshill 2 years ago
Perhaps you should look up the definition of a dome?
jetmanisme 2 years ago
Did you know the word for "sky" and "Heaven" were the same in ancient Hebrew? Ever wonder why Heaven is traditionally depicted as a cloud in the sky? Even today, Hollywood follows that model. Or why they thought they could get to Heaven in a tall tower?
It's because ancient Hebrews thought the clouds were the domain of Yahweh, that this was Heaven. They didn't think it was the atmosphere.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
These are the first 3 scriptures you falsely used as reference.
They say nothing of the sort.
You are spreading disinformation
Who do you work for?
monkeyracetheshill 2 years ago
Joshua 10:12-13 (King James Version) 12Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
monkeyracetheshill 2 years ago
Here is an "explanation" from the great reformer Martin Luther. In response to the Astronomer Copernicus' proposal that all planets in our system orbit the sun. Luther believed Earth was at the center. He makes reference to Joshua.
"The fool [Copernicus] wants to turn the whole art of astronomy upside-down. However, as Holy Scripture tells us, so did Joshua bid the sun to stand still and not the earth." - Martin Luther
frphillipmullet 2 years ago 2
13And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
monkeyracetheshill 2 years ago
For this to be possible the earth needs to stand still, not the sun. Think about it, the rotation of the earth is what makes the day and night. To make the day last longer you'd have to stop the rotation of the earth.
christoclaster 2 years ago
You can't reason with this guy. He is a disinformation junkie on a mission. I also have a mission to expose liars.
monkeyracetheshill 2 years ago
"I also have a mission to expose liars."
The Bibles says: All men are liars. Romans 3:5
frphillipmullet 2 years ago
Yes, All men are liars.
You should trust no man but do your own searching and seeking.
Trust of man is why we are where we are today.
Most religions of today follow blindly words of men and the Vatican's every move. You do know that the Vatican owns most of the property around and under the dome of the rock and right now Obama is helping to set up a 2 state system of Palestine and Israel. They want to build that temple in the Bible, that know one believes in.
monkeyracetheshill 2 years ago
"Yes, All men are liars."
So then, you are a liar, and the Bible was penned by liars. When I read the Bible it sure seems evident that it's a book of lies.
christoclaster 2 years ago 3
So do you now, or are you lying?
What make you capable of that decision when you yourself are blinded by lies?
monkeyracetheshill 2 years ago
I didn't say I was a liar; remember, I'm the unbeliever here. Not all people are practicing liars. Did it ever occur to you that you may be the one blinded by lies? You are the one deceived and blinded by iron age fables.
christoclaster 2 years ago 2
No, that comment was for you.
christoclaster 2 years ago
Ecclesiastes 1:5 (King James Version) 5The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.
monkeyracetheshill 2 years ago
Psalm 19:4-6 (King James Version) 4Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, 5Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. 6His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
monkeyracetheshill 2 years ago
QUOTE: "In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun"
But the sun doesn't rest in a tent, does it?
QUOTE: "His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it"
Sounds like Apollo and his chariot ride across the sky.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
QUOTE FROM WHERE ?
Not my Bible, stop lying man you have been exposed.
monkeyracetheshill 2 years ago
QUOTE: "QUOTE FROM WHERE ?"
From your own quotations of the KJV Bible.
If you were not aware, tabernacle = tent. Look it up.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
The Tabernacle is known in Hebrew as the Mishkan ( משכן "Residence" or "Dwelling Place").
The Hebrew word, however, points to a different meaning. Mishkan is related to the Hebrew word to "dwell", "rest", or "to live in", referring to the "[In-dwelling] Presence of God"
So why do you try to say it means tent?
It could be my house your house the lords house or a cave ect.
You can't simplify the Hebrew words of that day to fit your lies of today.
monkeyracetheshill 2 years ago
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monkeyracetheshill 2 years ago
In order to get to heaven we need to build a ladder tall enough, like Ezekiel did.
aartvegan 2 years ago
38-40 It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law).
WinterJack12 2 years ago
36:38 And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of (Him), the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing
39-And the Moon,- We have measured for her mansions (to traverse) till she returns like the old (and withered) lower part of a date-stalk.
WinterJack12 2 years ago
36-36- Glory to Allah, Who created in pairs all things that the earth produces, as well as their own (human) kind and (other) things of which they have no knowledge
WinterJack12 2 years ago
27:61- Or, Who made the earth a restingplace, and made in it rivers, and raised on it mountains and placed between the two seas a barrier. Is there a god with Allah? Nay! most of them do not know!
WinterJack12 2 years ago
18:86-Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea, and found by it a people. We said: O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit.
WinterJack12 2 years ago
i am very sorry for those people they don't have any knowledge about Islam. He mentioned quran said the sun revolves around the earth. he mentioned 3 chapter from quran. non of this verses said sun revolves around the sun. Read quran. ask the people who speak arabic (christian arab and muslim arab) ask them to translate for you. READ QURAN NOW!!
The truth is clear from error
WinterJack12 2 years ago
18:86-89 says that the sun rises and sets at particular places. (sets in a muddy spring of all places)
27:61 says the earth is a fixed abode so logically if the sun rises and sets...it would have to be to sun circling the earth since the earth is a fixed abode.
36:36-40 says how the sun and moon float in an orbit and the sun and moon don't overtake each other so night and day happen accordingly.
jetmanisme 2 years ago