@blagna212 If you type something like "F-22 fail" you will probably get something not written by a real author, It is people like you and me would say "wow that is fail" a government pressrelease would not contain something like that.
As for the RAND simulations in the computer, they actually posted on their website (rand.org) the result was unaccurate and not something to count on. i will send link in Inbox, last time i checked it was possible.
@blagna212 I cant find ANYTHING on the web about northern edge with false statements, there was a web page, but when i searched on the page for the phrase it was just: "Airman (Jon Doe), was sentenced in
a special court-martial for
wrongful use of marijuana and
dereliction of duty."
all that came on the same page as with an article about f-22 participation in Northern Edge. thats why it seemed like it was false, maybe thats what you fell over. but did not research
@blagna212 Well at exerciese such as northern edge and red flag, there is real physics aswell, real radar detection, which was = invisible F-22
As for the F-117, it is 1 / 1000, it happened once that it got tracked and shot down on radar, why do you think it did not happen the other 999 times? because the stealthy design worked... If a red-belt karate guy fights a blue-belt, he will win most of the time, but not 1000 out of 1000 times.
From "what" you read it is a no-contest, what DID you read?
@blagna212 S-400 cannot detect a F-22 unless it v. close. if it has a range against "stealthy aircraft" at 100 km. (Superhornet, Rafale, EF-2000, SU-35) now how close do you have to get in a F-22?
"They are proven effective against not only planes but other MISSILES" - the S-400 is proven against them is TESTS, at Northern edge the F-22 shot down 140 aircraft without losses... You tell me that the f-22 is bad because it only won in tests, but you brag about the S-400 being good in tests.
@blagna212 The X-47's will be far more stealthy than the F-22, but will probably only be using air-to-ground weapons, (could be used to knock out S-400) maybe they will also use Aim-120 or JDRADM.
They missiles can fly over the horizon yes, but if it is alone without anybody in front of it, they got a problem... there might AWACS, but how would they see a F-22?
@blagna212 Well the project of 900 F-22's was cancelled, that is also because we are not in the cold war anymore... There is 187 in service, doing the task which the 750 F-15's did.
You are wrong if you say Piece of pie, the S-400 has a range of 400 kms, (take consideration of horizon) mountains, as well as the sea can block radar...
it can track "stealthy" aircraft at 100 km range, that is a Superhornet or a EF-2000. now imagine how close a Raptor can get if a F-18E can get within 100km...
@blagna212 Tell me where you have read they lied... the project was not cancelled, the production was just halted at 187 aircraft which will be in service to 2050 +
the F-117 has a RCS of 0.025 m2... so how can the B-2 have a a RCS that is 0,02? and how is this possible when it is said that it has 50 % of the RCS of the F-117?
And how would the S-400 track it at 400 km when it can only track "stealthy" targets at 100 km? (superhornet, ef-2000, dasault rafale)?
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@blagna212 "Because it was developped to do so, in more than one mode" yep, and that is blown WAY out of proportion aswell, what you are saying is that i am wrong because i use a number given by out by US officials, but you say something that comes from the developers aswell...
The capabilities of the S-400 is also is "blown out of proportion".
Northern Edge exercises: Raptor had a kill ratio of 108:0 against F-15, F-16, and F-18...
@blagna212 Good, lets say every war in the world is to make the people behind it richer, nobody is better than anybody, Russia and USA are the biggest badguys... end of that chapter,
we were discussing the F-22... From where can you prove that the Irbis-e can actually see something that is 0,0001 m2 100 % percent of the time they would meet?
"numbers say F22 goes down vs modern Russian AA for sure" - what numbers then? give the info on how a radar will find the F-22, 100 % of the time.
@blagna212 If two people in the government cant have an affair without one of them telling the truth. How the heck can that amout of people knowing about this not be leaking something...
Lets say that 0,000005 % of all americans knows about this "secret" that means that 1500 people are aware of this GIGANT secret...
"Three can keep a secret if two of them are dead" - Benjamin Franklin ;-)
If the EF-2000 really can detect a F-22, then there should be no problem in detecting a PAK-FA...
@blagna212 Making war for profits? that, i am sorry but that is really not a thing i could possible suspect you thinking. war for profit? how would you make up for the 850 billion dollars, a total of 3 TRILLION dollars in damage to the US economy, PLEASE explain how you would make 3 TRILLION dollars from war...
The EF-2000 picked it up once, without shooting it down, that was in 2005? - before the F-35-like RAM was installed...
It only happened once, that is the "1 / >1000" like with the F-117
@blagna212 Remember to read other comment as well.
No, the F-22 required 30 hours in 2004. - In 2009 it was 20 hours, and with the second highest combat readiness of all figthers... if the Raptor can beat F.15 in 2 vs.16 scenarios then it can easily replace the 750 F-15's
750 / 187 = 4,010 ----> That me to ans the raptor is allowed to require 4 times as many mechanics as the F-15...
Su-35 is a 4+ gen, the BACKBONE, the F-22 is the ELITE 5. gen.
@blagna212 I am against wars, what you said made me sick aswell, you say that that NATO is the only one to go and attack, of course it is sick to kill up to 4 million vietnamese (not NATO), but so is it wrong to kill up to 2 million afghans (afghan war with soviet union). which you did not mention...
gulf war was 3600 civilians...
They fought Gadaffi in the late 80'es because of the lockerbie incident...
Well how will the Irbis-e detect 0,0001 m2 at 90 km range when it can only see 0,01? :)
@blagna212 Remember to read my other comment, this is my second...
Good, so Georgia started, but Hey wasent it Iraq that Invaded Kuwait? Wasent it Al-Qaida who attacked USA? Wasent it Gadaffi who started slaying his people? Wasent it North Vietnam who tried to annex south vietnam under communism? wasent it north korea who tried to invade south korea?
Go back to page 3 in the comment list, read ALL your comments you have said. not a single time have you said anything about F-22 vs s-300/s-400.
@blagna212 No, they removed the training squadron in 2006, the some in 2007, and the last in 2008, they are not all scrapped, but nobody is flying them anymore...
F-22's maintenance problems are not that much if you look at it in a diffrent way:
It takes 20 hours.... this means that 20 men can do it in one hour.
The F-15 fleet was of some 750 aircraft (around that number). If ALL the mechanics on the F-15's worked on F-22, there would be no problem since the F-22 does the job for the F-15...
@blagna212 You were talking about the F-117 being sold to other nations. you never said anything about the PAK-FA. + you said that USA were still using the F-117, (because they dont have anything else) which you also know is complete sh*t.
Ok, so if nato invadeds small countries? how about russia? arent they doing the EXACT same thing?
And no you have never said anything about the S400 against the F-22. when have you done that?
Arent the RCS of the F-22 0,0001 m2? do you even check your facts?
@blagna212 Have i said it was not relevant to this discussion? and no, it has never flown against new AA-systems. it got shot down once out of >1000 times where it prooved that the radars were inferior to it...
Please dont lie sir. They took the F-117 out of service in 2008, no need for it any longer when they have the F-22... and they are not selling them, i dont know where you got that info...
If you want to make a comparison with new modern AA-systems compare them with the F-22...
@JVC7400 watch?v=NXtA9zQEvgA&feature=related this is for f117, and F22 are thrown out of comision and it is not going to be mass producted. so do not speak some thing if you do not know what are you talking.
@eyeschoper that is just a video of the downed f-117 with silly music. It got shot down once out of >1000 times where it proved that the radars were inferior to it... succesful? damn right it was succesful, now imagine the f-22
@blagna212 Well i can tell you that the F-117 is far from being my favourite aircraft...
The 1:1000 is actually much higher since it flew 1300 missions just in the gulf war... There would be no reason to fly with this aircraft if it was not because you would be detected...
If you fly >1000 times and you only get picked up on radar a SINGLE time then the radars are pretty inferior to it...
If Russia really thought stealth dosent matter then why do think that they are developing the PAK-FA?
@blagna212 "I know that fact hurts but better for your camp to just forget about" - that is an example of you getting personal instead of using arguments.
When i tell you the "1 to 1000" you keep saying the same thing as in your first comment.
Ok, so if the Americans Copied the stealth drawings why did the russians not make stealth aircraft themselves?
@blagna212 Here is my second comment, this timeabout the first thing you say, remember to read the other one (it is because inbox only shows a single one)
It dosent matter who found the THEORY behind it... it is who made it into something that works...
The tank: Da-vinci came with the first ideas... (tank is still a british invention)
The Helicopter was also da-vinci's invention... (but it is not italian for that reason)...
Dont start to tease me in your comments.- desperate for arguments?
@blagna212 now you put your words in my mouth... i have never compared the two military budgets... i was pointing out that a SAM system from the 60'es is probably pretty cheap to maintain...
1 out of 1000 in the most heavy guarded airspace... that is a pretty good score, i mean the stealth design worked, so there is no doubt the F-117 was a succes...
You cant say it was a fail because one got shot down... then we could say that the MiG-29 was a MAJOR disaster since it cant shoot down the F-16.
@blagna212 It was the first aircraft intended to be invisible to radar... that is a fact sir, + it is not invisible when it has open weapon bays... who says that the AA system was not maintained? + i would think that a AA system required less maintenance than a figther...
"Tracks" is the wrong word, it only happened a single time. + it was unable to shoot it down.
Russian officials actually even claim that the PAK-FA is going to be less stealthy than the F-22...
@blagna212 Think of it this way: at the time the serbian radar came out, radars were very common, at the time of the F-117, stealth was a completely new thing...
the SAM that shot it down was not 60 years old, the SA-3 is from the 60'es, therefore only 50 years old... and the F-117 is actually 30 years old... that is only an age diffrence of 20 years...
Detection range of 0,01 m2 of irbis-e = 90 km.
The F-117 is out of service, it has a RCS of 0,025 m2.
@blagna212 Ehrmm, these tests were IN the 90'es... when Luftwaffe got DDR's MiG-29's...
about the F-117... it flew 1000 sorties over the MOST heavy guarded airspace, it was only shot down once, that is pretty remarkable since it was the FIRST "stealth" aircraft. no other aircraft could have done the same thing, that is why they would not send F-16's or F-15E's... if it flew over the enemy with one loss, a thousand times, then it is pretty damn good.
@blagna212 ok, but does that prove otherwise that the mig-29 has shot down F-16'es.
Actually, the old DDR MiG-29's which were handed to luftwaffe in 1991 flew against F-16's in simulated dogfights, and won almost everytime they flew, UNTIL the F-16's became capable with the Aim-120. then the mig-29's could not get to fight in close range because they were shot down before that could happen.
ma kolko god gotivio ruse i njihove migove/suhojeve... naj agilniji je x3 - americki... avion bez krila ... ima krila ali mu vishe sluze za usmeravanje
both Sukhoi and Mikoyan are todays best fighter the only difference between them is that sukhoi is used more as a strike aircraft and it's heavier and the migs are small light and dependable. and don't listen to other people no american plane can take this things down. there is no compter that can beat russian maneuvers and russian engineering. Masterpiece.
this is like seeing a the most advanced military hardware doing a classic ballet dance in 15k ft in the sky! magnificent piece of work! gives Jet fighters a new artistic prospective!
bunch of russian punks here..USA IN THE MTF HOUSE...MY ALIENWARE LAPTOP HAS MORE COMPUTE POWER THAN THE SU....GET OVER IT RUSSIANS THE SU HARDWARE COMPONENTS ARE FROM the 80s and 90s.The only think the SU has that is good is the adjustable thrusters thats it....THE SU JUST GIVES OFF TO MUCH HEAT AND NOT TO ARROW DYNAMIC AND IT LOOKS OLD....NOW THE F22 LOOKS HIGH TECH AS SOON AS U SEE IT...THE super computer and advanced radar will see and lock on the su before it even knows its been had.
@ES350ES350 F-16/18/(15) is not expensive in use, the Flanker is the same as F-15 and Su-30MKI is a pain in the ass to maintain for the Indians. The MiG-29 is cheap, but it is outclassed in combatagainst the F-16. The MiG-29 has been shot several times down by F-16's and F-16 has no A-A losses...
Internet is practically product from cold war just as this plane but Internet and this plane are awesome, without any of those two things we could not watch this vid :)
F-22 is better. It needs so many computers because it is so unstable which means more ability. The U.S. airforce is just not allowed to show us the capability of the f-22
@lovetofly12 su 35BM(was su 37) have better radar than f22, because radar of su 35 can see further than radar of f22(400 kilometres versus 210 kilometres). If make su 35 with stealth technology, F22 will smoke, because SU 35 better F 22 in all parameters, except stealth technology. In spite of the fact that su 35 is 4 ++ generation, and f 22 is 5 generation
SUs are Self sufficient, in the event of a Global nuclear war, All Computer dependable planes will become useless and you will see dogfights make a comeback ;p
As far as the Su-37: its too expensive while not having stealth technology. To take advantage of stealth, all you need to do is fly. To take advantage of this advanced maneuvorability, you need very well-trained pilots, which are generally hard to come by.
Your words make sense, but I still believe that there was a SU-37 that crashed out of two prototypes. The 37 was afterall in a prototype state used for testing the abilities of 2D Thrust Vectoring.
Then again it might have been the SU-35BM you are talking about that had engine trouble on the runway?
These are far from official claims, just what I believe and stuff I've heard from other people and read... I was not there when/if it all occurred.
@Shurryy Funny, Russian wikipedia article notes one was lost; the english one doesn't mention it, and also says it has 3d thrust vectoring and is moving into production (the latter is very likely in accurate; last prototype was made in 2002).
Indeed, I had the SU-35BM in mind; didn't know this one also crashed(?) in '02.
@Shurryy Yeah, the Russian article may have more credibility. But its the English one that noted the production; I seriously doubt it since nothing has been made for 8 years.
The Russian MOD is concentrating on the Mig-35 (also 3d TV, plus other advances), and particularly on the T-50 PAK FA (3d TV as well, new powerplant, excellent electronics), along with its navalized variant, to enter service on the enlarged Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier (overhaul scheduled from 2012 to 2018-2020).
Still, only a handful of Su-30s, Mig-29K, and Su-35BMs that they can count on in the next 5 years...
Russian/USSR aircraft technology has been 5-8 years behind that of the US; if Russia develops a 5th gen fighter, the US has over 120. Its better, cheaper, but this is only a good thing if war doesn't happen. Russia invests much more in SAM technology, which is much better than the US, admittedly with TI chips in them, though the def. budget is 10x smaller.
@T90SVladimir don't matter much. The SU30 and upwards is still based on an old perfect airframe. The old Su-27 even, is a few percent better than the F15, a few percent, and now we are only talking about the airframe. The Su-27 flew in 1984, the F15 in 1975. So realize that U.S. is ahead in every field when it comes to aircraft.
@MajSolo Unless Wikipedia has something terribly wrong, the Su-27 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 and 1977 respectively. The Su-27 entered service later, but it is just an indication of a more powerful US economy, and the gap there is only 5 years.
Soviet aricraft were much more rugged in terms of maitenance and support overall, which IMO is a serious advantage in war. But today, the US is definetly ahead, though by how much it is difficult to tell.
@T90SVladimir No according to WIKI F15 devlopment started in 1967, it first flew in 1972, and entered service in 1976 according to Wiki, but I read it reached service in 1975, and I have given that figure earlier and it has been confirmed. So service in the airforce is 1975 or if you prefer 1976 for the F15.
The Sue went through a number of transformations and reached frontal aviation in 1984. Wiki does not say when devlopment started but that first version flew in 1977, final version in 1984
@MajSolo First Su-27 version in 1977 is that T-1 with ogival wings and the tailfins inboard of the engines. They were not happy with it at all. So 1977 really does not count , it is just a year when they had "something flying". Since the T-1 is so far off from from the perfected aircraft and the final version that was fielded in 1984. It is more correct to use the years when development was finnished and the aircraft approved for mass production.
@MajSolo It was not just Sukhoi involved in the development, the CCCP government had they own engineers, I don't remember how to spell it "SIBNIAA" or something like that, they did a lot of work and allready knew some basic stuff about how Mig29/Su27 fighters needed to look to perform. But then u need a aircraft company to weld it together, put wing on it and wheels, missiles and bombs and so on, that is the industrys responsiblity. CCCP government did a lot of work and helped with problems.
I think they also had something to do with the development of the Su.27. Then go buy some books and learn how perfectly the air flow around that aircraft body.
lets say russian jets are the best, but they have been to a hostile territory? definitely NO, but US jets did. its just like claiming you have the fastests car but never been in any race.
if you think that way is fine with me . you realize too that the US donate 100 million US dollars to haiti and china only 4.4 millions terrorist donate more than the rest
Da tako je americkim avionima treba 50 kompjutera da bi ostali u vazduhu!American fighter planes need 50 computers to fly because they need to develop better aerodynamics.
@marcin1283 Uhhh, that's right, not as in to "write something on a piece of paper." If you're gonna be a wise ass, don't smear poop on your face while doing so.
now U shut the fuck up!!!why u all are talking about superiority of any plane???ha??u are military expert?posting such comments make u something like little kid saying my country is not right but it's my country! I' am sure that u don't know nothing about SU's and even about f-22!!u are listening this propaganda from TV and belive it!!evry normal guy knows that new modifications of su can resist f-22 in dogfight...i don't know who will be the winner but i know one more thing they are awesome!!
There is no Su-37 anymore. All that footage that you see is many years old. The aircraft in the footage is the famous number 711. It crashed during flight test on December 19th 2002. 711 was converted back into an Su-35 during 2000 and as an Su-35 was lost in the 2002 crash. The pilot ejected successfully.
I don't have this data, and you are in the right, it's a little "old" images. Anywere, the Project 711, T 10M-11 or Su-37 is very, very better than other modern aircrafts of today (do you say Typhoon, S/MTD, F-22 or F-35?, no way man¡)
Hahaha what a bullshit. F 22 is the best - stelth aircraft in the world, and it is functional, not like this piece of crap that crashed 2 times. i admit that Su 37 looks very cool, but it s a wreckage......
F-22 crashed the same times...Who speak about stelth?! Coz it's not effective (N war in Yugoslavia is an example)...What kind of funcions u speak?! Fly n Shoot?! F-22 ll crashed... all kind of military experts agree that Su-35 way better then F-22...
n as the best example Obama turn off the F-22 programm...so u lol'd me!!!
SHUT UP HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT An old SU 35 is better than a F22? and beside, the F 22 never crashed you idiot! . russian fighters have the oldest technology ever....you won't win a battle only because you're fast, but because the aircraft technology is good! also, F 22 has a 360° view cockpit , not like the sukhoi where you can't see a fuck!
360° ooohhh...nice... so...he can shoot in all this degree - NO... can he turne that fast that can Su or Mig NO... U lose in this too...go n cry in ur pillow...coz pillow ll not nevere evAr offend u... god...I wonder then i have the same pilolow as urs!!!
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there are no more su 37, the 711 crashed, because it's a piece of crap!!!!!!!!! you russian sucks!!!!!!!!!11 america would sweep your trash out of the skies haha....you don't even know what kind of technology has an F 22 or typhoon.......always the best!!!!!!! Russia SUCK
You got now idea about jets... You're stupid every Su is better than any F which needs about 50 computers to be able to stay in the air... You know as much as they tell You on discovery channel
any f doesn't needs 50 computers to stay in the air, and besides those planes doesn't creashes like Sus.....russian fighter are all copied from americans one and they've got a shit of technology!!!1 they are pieces of crap...but i realized that i doesn't want to admit it fuckers
Do you live in states?? Do you know how many F goes down??? They don't tell you that... Did you know that they are not going to make any more F-22??? they are to expensive and not as good as they where telling everybody. .. When russian jet crashes most of the times it's pilots error , if F any F crashes it's a jet failure.
well today to win a dogfight its not about skills. its digital combat the whole thing. and the SU37 here is alot older then a F22. also the F22 has no losses in Air combat. its undefeated. its like comparing an old volkswagen and a Koenigsegg.
F22 was never used in combat yet. Steath tech is KGB tech to force americans spend money for ussles tech. It was proven in Seribia where 4 - f117 been seccesfuly shuted down by old soviet AA s200.
yeah and we notice just on your english that you are very knowing in your subject.... to say the F22 is a big improvement in the US airforce that already is in superior in the air compared to other airforces... just check out the F35 or something.
its not a copy at all... the YAK141 doesnt got any similairity more then its VTOL and a jet... and also i read it wasnt finnished and canceled by the soviet union due to the difficulty to develop the aircraft further cause it wasnt stealth ready. it looks more like a tornado then a F35.. and to say the F35 doesnt implement what you said. it was the F22 now that uses rektangular intakes. and its a common use on aircrafts. russia fails one more time...
Lokk at exhaust , it is designed in USSR and ther is a film on youtube about it, aerodinamic form is the same. F35 used moder materials , thats all diferens.
not to mention if you shot down 4 of those F117... what did they do to the OPFOR? i think they satturated and blew you into bits a few times before you even got the hands on them with some lucker shots.
Our top military engineers said the exact same thing before Vietnam when the F-4 was designed, they got blown out of the sky daily as a result of not being maneuverable or having guns.
And not a single F-22 has, or ever will see, combat in current opps. If you took a Raptor and flew it at the level of current air-to-ground sorties it could easily be spotted and shot down from the ground. And it would be more vulnerable than other aircraft because of the lack of armor.
easily and easily... the US didnt loose many of the F-4s. i didnt say it was impossible to down a F-22 but put it like this. its survivability is higher then the most aircrafts today. also the armor wouldnt matter alot. if you get hit a by a AA missile your mostly toasted. and for comparision against the russians. All the american series of fighter aircrafts that have been encountering MIGs the US aircrafts have a way higher kill count then the russian MIGs. Talking MIG vs F series.
I'm talking about machine gun and rifle fire being able to knock a out the Raptor. The designers themselves said this. I just think that planes like the F-16 or Mig-29 are better than ones such as the F-22 on the basis of survivability, maneuverability, and feasibility in a real wartime scenario.
I hold to my opinions. And that's that pilot skill is 10x more important than how high-tech an aircraft is or who makes it.
i have hard to believe that since the F-22 has better maneuverability. its something you dont have to se in war. it makes sharper turns etc. and also i have hard to believe you will shot down a Jet flying at a altitude of 3000m @ 1000km/h. even if you would have an AAA it would be hard i believe. pilot skill is important but for instance in sweden where i live we have the JAS 39 gripen its not the best in the world but atleast i know for instance it can target up to 4 targets both air and ground
makes hell of a easier strafing run with AGMs on the ground even if your skilled pilot sitting behind this technology think of what you can do. instead of 4 runs getting in line of fire from the enemy you can drop 1 payload and hitting 4 targets at the same time in a large area.
ok first things first, a strafing run is when you do shoot with the Cannon (jep that old piece of shellthrowing junk) at ground forces otherwise its an ground attack or bomb run. A run is always into the target and the egress not when you stay away from the target and AGMs need something to lock on, ever tried lock a man? Sides the problem with your reasoning is that you usually need a run in for each target, for proper indentification and to satisfy the employement parametres for the weapon.
See, planes like the JAS-36 are 100x more feasible than the Raptor.
As for Russia, their 5th Generation fighter, the Sukhoi PAK FA, only cost $50,000,000. And the current Mig-29M variants that the Russians use have multiple target lock-on capabilities. That added to a power/ weight ratio of 2: 1is impressive for a 30million dollar plane.
Pilots I've talked to from Arnold AFB say the F-22 is nice, but not $150,000,000 nice. The military should have the best, not the most expensive planes.
You don't know shit about planes! Who invented F117? Who helped build american helicopters? Russians! Do your research before writing stupid things idiot!
Well it's about time the Russians catch up with technology instead of sticking to the old unreliable ways, perhaps that's why American fighters are superior in avionics technology?
But damn I wish they would make more of these Terminators...
@tramvaj12 Umm, right, first of all The Su-37 was a tech demonstrator not a figther aircraft... so how could be better than any American jet in service, when itself is not in use?
@JVC7400 Yes but SU-35 BM is the final Release version and it is outstanding as well in flight as well in electronics. And now they are going with stealth planes so that is some future conclusion. Look the good concern but nonetheless paranoid one. watch?v=v7K58XFZaa8 For me this is stupid cause Ammerica is way paranoid and most outrage on US is cause by US paranoid.
Noro letalo. Kljub teži čez 30 ton vektorski potisk dela svoje. Sam potisk veliko bolj gibljiv kot pri F-35, zraven tega veliko hitrejši kot F-22 in in F35.
Glede na to da ima sedaj zahodno elektronsko opremo v kombinaciji z oborožitvijo ga naraedi enega najboljših če ne celo najboljšega lovca na svetu.
u jeee...fasciniran sam! isto kao kad moja baba posle ruske parade na tv-u tri dana ne moze da dodje sebi...sreca pa nema net,, inace bi bila ravnopravni ucesnik u ovoj plodonosnoj diskusiji.
ALL OF YOU VIRTUAL PILOT STOP ARGUING FOR GOD'S SAKE! F-22 is good, and so is Su-37 - can't we just get along?
vonVince 4 days ago
Dude! Ace combat song! =D su-37 is the best!!!
jormanchi 1 month ago
GAY :I U.S.A WATCH THIS :p
skyline3071 1 month ago
@blagna212 no. its a plane made by boeing. something called F/A XX. google it up.
GustaviusDeeva 4 months ago
i wannna kisss thiss plane
bloodrhein 5 months ago
@blagna212 If you type something like "F-22 fail" you will probably get something not written by a real author, It is people like you and me would say "wow that is fail" a government pressrelease would not contain something like that.
As for the RAND simulations in the computer, they actually posted on their website (rand.org) the result was unaccurate and not something to count on. i will send link in Inbox, last time i checked it was possible.
JVC7400 6 months ago
@blagna212 I cant find ANYTHING on the web about northern edge with false statements, there was a web page, but when i searched on the page for the phrase it was just: "Airman (Jon Doe), was sentenced in
a special court-martial for
wrongful use of marijuana and
dereliction of duty."
all that came on the same page as with an article about f-22 participation in Northern Edge. thats why it seemed like it was false, maybe thats what you fell over. but did not research
Give me links, evt. in inbox.
JVC7400 6 months ago
@blagna212 Well at exerciese such as northern edge and red flag, there is real physics aswell, real radar detection, which was = invisible F-22
As for the F-117, it is 1 / 1000, it happened once that it got tracked and shot down on radar, why do you think it did not happen the other 999 times? because the stealthy design worked... If a red-belt karate guy fights a blue-belt, he will win most of the time, but not 1000 out of 1000 times.
From "what" you read it is a no-contest, what DID you read?
JVC7400 6 months ago
@blagna212 S-400 cannot detect a F-22 unless it v. close. if it has a range against "stealthy aircraft" at 100 km. (Superhornet, Rafale, EF-2000, SU-35) now how close do you have to get in a F-22?
"They are proven effective against not only planes but other MISSILES" - the S-400 is proven against them is TESTS, at Northern edge the F-22 shot down 140 aircraft without losses... You tell me that the f-22 is bad because it only won in tests, but you brag about the S-400 being good in tests.
JVC7400 6 months ago
@blagna212 The X-47's will be far more stealthy than the F-22, but will probably only be using air-to-ground weapons, (could be used to knock out S-400) maybe they will also use Aim-120 or JDRADM.
They missiles can fly over the horizon yes, but if it is alone without anybody in front of it, they got a problem... there might AWACS, but how would they see a F-22?
JVC7400 6 months ago
@blagna212 No, i am talking about the UCAV's.
As for the F-35, it is a very good aircraft, just too expensive, good thing is they can make a fallback on the Superhornet.
JVC7400 6 months ago
@blagna212 Remember to read the other comment aswell.
The S-500 is underway, but so is American 6th gen combat aircaft.
JVC7400 6 months ago
@blagna212 Well the project of 900 F-22's was cancelled, that is also because we are not in the cold war anymore... There is 187 in service, doing the task which the 750 F-15's did.
You are wrong if you say Piece of pie, the S-400 has a range of 400 kms, (take consideration of horizon) mountains, as well as the sea can block radar...
it can track "stealthy" aircraft at 100 km range, that is a Superhornet or a EF-2000. now imagine how close a Raptor can get if a F-18E can get within 100km...
JVC7400 6 months ago
@blagna212 Tell me where you have read they lied... the project was not cancelled, the production was just halted at 187 aircraft which will be in service to 2050 +
the F-117 has a RCS of 0.025 m2... so how can the B-2 have a a RCS that is 0,02? and how is this possible when it is said that it has 50 % of the RCS of the F-117?
And how would the S-400 track it at 400 km when it can only track "stealthy" targets at 100 km? (superhornet, ef-2000, dasault rafale)?
I can back up all my facts...
JVC7400 6 months ago
@BELGRADE +HOLLY ORTHODOX @SABARUBIN NOBLE SER VIDEO IS VERY GOOD . BUT YOU SER SHOW PERFORMANCES OF SU37 OF 4.TH GENERATION FROM 1995YEAR. SU37 5+GENERATION FROM 2004.YEAR HAS THIS FEATURES. MAX.TAKEOFF WEIGHT 33.340.KG. MAX.SPEED 3.048KM/H.,RANGE 2.228MI.,SERVICE CEILING 61.117FT., + MUCH MORE ADVANCED RUSSIANS GENIUS ENGINEERING,PHYSICS,SCIENCE-SKILLS WEAPONS AND FEATURES.LETS LEAVE SOME AS A SECRET... TZAR AND EMPEROR OF THE SKY SU37 MUST BE WE ARE BEG DEVELOPING TO THE 7.TH.GENERATION
Tihomir7777 6 months ago
@blagna212 "Because it was developped to do so, in more than one mode" yep, and that is blown WAY out of proportion aswell, what you are saying is that i am wrong because i use a number given by out by US officials, but you say something that comes from the developers aswell...
The capabilities of the S-400 is also is "blown out of proportion".
Northern Edge exercises: Raptor had a kill ratio of 108:0 against F-15, F-16, and F-18...
- They where the 999 of the 1 of 1000...
JVC7400 6 months ago
@blagna212 Good, lets say every war in the world is to make the people behind it richer, nobody is better than anybody, Russia and USA are the biggest badguys... end of that chapter,
we were discussing the F-22... From where can you prove that the Irbis-e can actually see something that is 0,0001 m2 100 % percent of the time they would meet?
"numbers say F22 goes down vs modern Russian AA for sure" - what numbers then? give the info on how a radar will find the F-22, 100 % of the time.
JVC7400 6 months ago
@blagna212 If two people in the government cant have an affair without one of them telling the truth. How the heck can that amout of people knowing about this not be leaking something...
Lets say that 0,000005 % of all americans knows about this "secret" that means that 1500 people are aware of this GIGANT secret...
"Three can keep a secret if two of them are dead" - Benjamin Franklin ;-)
If the EF-2000 really can detect a F-22, then there should be no problem in detecting a PAK-FA...
JVC7400 6 months ago
@blagna212 Making war for profits? that, i am sorry but that is really not a thing i could possible suspect you thinking. war for profit? how would you make up for the 850 billion dollars, a total of 3 TRILLION dollars in damage to the US economy, PLEASE explain how you would make 3 TRILLION dollars from war...
The EF-2000 picked it up once, without shooting it down, that was in 2005? - before the F-35-like RAM was installed...
It only happened once, that is the "1 / >1000" like with the F-117
JVC7400 6 months ago
@blagna212 Remember to read other comment as well.
No, the F-22 required 30 hours in 2004. - In 2009 it was 20 hours, and with the second highest combat readiness of all figthers... if the Raptor can beat F.15 in 2 vs.16 scenarios then it can easily replace the 750 F-15's
750 / 187 = 4,010 ----> That me to ans the raptor is allowed to require 4 times as many mechanics as the F-15...
Su-35 is a 4+ gen, the BACKBONE, the F-22 is the ELITE 5. gen.
You would not fight a militia with SEAL's.
JVC7400 6 months ago
@blagna212 I am against wars, what you said made me sick aswell, you say that that NATO is the only one to go and attack, of course it is sick to kill up to 4 million vietnamese (not NATO), but so is it wrong to kill up to 2 million afghans (afghan war with soviet union). which you did not mention...
gulf war was 3600 civilians...
They fought Gadaffi in the late 80'es because of the lockerbie incident...
Well how will the Irbis-e detect 0,0001 m2 at 90 km range when it can only see 0,01? :)
JVC7400 6 months ago
@blagna212 Remember to read my other comment, this is my second...
Good, so Georgia started, but Hey wasent it Iraq that Invaded Kuwait? Wasent it Al-Qaida who attacked USA? Wasent it Gadaffi who started slaying his people? Wasent it North Vietnam who tried to annex south vietnam under communism? wasent it north korea who tried to invade south korea?
Go back to page 3 in the comment list, read ALL your comments you have said. not a single time have you said anything about F-22 vs s-300/s-400.
JVC7400 6 months ago
@blagna212 No, they removed the training squadron in 2006, the some in 2007, and the last in 2008, they are not all scrapped, but nobody is flying them anymore...
F-22's maintenance problems are not that much if you look at it in a diffrent way:
It takes 20 hours.... this means that 20 men can do it in one hour.
The F-15 fleet was of some 750 aircraft (around that number). If ALL the mechanics on the F-15's worked on F-22, there would be no problem since the F-22 does the job for the F-15...
JVC7400 6 months ago
@blagna212 You were talking about the F-117 being sold to other nations. you never said anything about the PAK-FA. + you said that USA were still using the F-117, (because they dont have anything else) which you also know is complete sh*t.
Ok, so if nato invadeds small countries? how about russia? arent they doing the EXACT same thing?
And no you have never said anything about the S400 against the F-22. when have you done that?
Arent the RCS of the F-22 0,0001 m2? do you even check your facts?
JVC7400 6 months ago
@blagna212 Have i said it was not relevant to this discussion? and no, it has never flown against new AA-systems. it got shot down once out of >1000 times where it prooved that the radars were inferior to it...
Please dont lie sir. They took the F-117 out of service in 2008, no need for it any longer when they have the F-22... and they are not selling them, i dont know where you got that info...
If you want to make a comparison with new modern AA-systems compare them with the F-22...
JVC7400 6 months ago 6
@JVC7400 watch?v=NXtA9zQEvgA&feature=related this is for f117, and F22 are thrown out of comision and it is not going to be mass producted. so do not speak some thing if you do not know what are you talking.
eyeschoper 3 weeks ago
@eyeschoper that is just a video of the downed f-117 with silly music. It got shot down once out of >1000 times where it proved that the radars were inferior to it... succesful? damn right it was succesful, now imagine the f-22
JVC7400 3 weeks ago
@blagna212 Well i can tell you that the F-117 is far from being my favourite aircraft...
The 1:1000 is actually much higher since it flew 1300 missions just in the gulf war... There would be no reason to fly with this aircraft if it was not because you would be detected...
If you fly >1000 times and you only get picked up on radar a SINGLE time then the radars are pretty inferior to it...
If Russia really thought stealth dosent matter then why do think that they are developing the PAK-FA?
JVC7400 6 months ago
@blagna212 "I know that fact hurts but better for your camp to just forget about" - that is an example of you getting personal instead of using arguments.
When i tell you the "1 to 1000" you keep saying the same thing as in your first comment.
Ok, so if the Americans Copied the stealth drawings why did the russians not make stealth aircraft themselves?
Aviationwide, russia has a big pile of copies:
Sidewinder - AA-2 Atoll
F-111 - Su-24
B-1 - Tu-144
B-29 - Tu-4
XB-70 - T-4
cncord - tu144
JVC7400 6 months ago
@blagna212 Here is my second comment, this timeabout the first thing you say, remember to read the other one (it is because inbox only shows a single one)
It dosent matter who found the THEORY behind it... it is who made it into something that works...
The tank: Da-vinci came with the first ideas... (tank is still a british invention)
The Helicopter was also da-vinci's invention... (but it is not italian for that reason)...
Dont start to tease me in your comments.- desperate for arguments?
JVC7400 6 months ago
@blagna212 now you put your words in my mouth... i have never compared the two military budgets... i was pointing out that a SAM system from the 60'es is probably pretty cheap to maintain...
1 out of 1000 in the most heavy guarded airspace... that is a pretty good score, i mean the stealth design worked, so there is no doubt the F-117 was a succes...
You cant say it was a fail because one got shot down... then we could say that the MiG-29 was a MAJOR disaster since it cant shoot down the F-16.
JVC7400 6 months ago
@blagna212 It was the first aircraft intended to be invisible to radar... that is a fact sir, + it is not invisible when it has open weapon bays... who says that the AA system was not maintained? + i would think that a AA system required less maintenance than a figther...
"Tracks" is the wrong word, it only happened a single time. + it was unable to shoot it down.
Russian officials actually even claim that the PAK-FA is going to be less stealthy than the F-22...
JVC7400 6 months ago
@blagna212 Think of it this way: at the time the serbian radar came out, radars were very common, at the time of the F-117, stealth was a completely new thing...
the SAM that shot it down was not 60 years old, the SA-3 is from the 60'es, therefore only 50 years old... and the F-117 is actually 30 years old... that is only an age diffrence of 20 years...
Detection range of 0,01 m2 of irbis-e = 90 km.
The F-117 is out of service, it has a RCS of 0,025 m2.
The F-22 is a marble, 0,0001 m2.
JVC7400 6 months ago
@blagna212 When the F-117 flew against saddam husseins armies (in 1991, and 2003) - you would not call them "insurgents" would you?
we are talking an army with MiG-29's, T-72's, and a hefty number of SAM's and AAA.
The PAK-FA is not in service yet, so we cant say it counts as a stealth aircraft, it might be stealth, but is it flying with the RAM on?
JVC7400 6 months ago
@blagna212 Ehrmm, these tests were IN the 90'es... when Luftwaffe got DDR's MiG-29's...
about the F-117... it flew 1000 sorties over the MOST heavy guarded airspace, it was only shot down once, that is pretty remarkable since it was the FIRST "stealth" aircraft. no other aircraft could have done the same thing, that is why they would not send F-16's or F-15E's... if it flew over the enemy with one loss, a thousand times, then it is pretty damn good.
+ where is the russian stealth aircraft?
JVC7400 6 months ago
i prefer ace combat 2
phoedricus 6 months ago
@blagna212 ok, but does that prove otherwise that the mig-29 has shot down F-16'es.
Actually, the old DDR MiG-29's which were handed to luftwaffe in 1991 flew against F-16's in simulated dogfights, and won almost everytime they flew, UNTIL the F-16's became capable with the Aim-120. then the mig-29's could not get to fight in close range because they were shot down before that could happen.
JVC7400 6 months ago
x31!
stricke318 7 months ago
ma kolko god gotivio ruse i njihove migove/suhojeve... naj agilniji je x3 - americki... avion bez krila ... ima krila ali mu vishe sluze za usmeravanje
stricke318 7 months ago
This is the best Russia currently has to offer. PAK-FA is a decade away from service. Fodder for an F-22 or F-35.
n74jw 8 months ago
Russia No.1 !!!
1968drale 9 months ago
@MultiRafael500 mission zero "zero"
lacucaracha111111 9 months ago
krÅss_sùcht_mÂl_ñÄch:_geldeasy_âuf_gòoglÊ
tomchipp12589 9 months ago
dear raptors ...... ^_*
kishen410 10 months ago
great airplane *_*
DedoAglar 11 months ago
both Sukhoi and Mikoyan are todays best fighter the only difference between them is that sukhoi is used more as a strike aircraft and it's heavier and the migs are small light and dependable. and don't listen to other people no american plane can take this things down. there is no compter that can beat russian maneuvers and russian engineering. Masterpiece.
alex080297 11 months ago
whoever uploaded this video is dumb ass its a Terminator
Customness 11 months ago
im tired of f-22 is better or su-37 is better they are both outstanding...get whit it but the f-22 is just too expensive to fly
thegabshow1 11 months ago
русская техника лучшая в мире ( кроме гражданских конечно) С такой техникой мы всех порвем!!!! РОССИЯ ВПЕРЁД
nikitos11kr 11 months ago
amazing vid !
WeedAndWeapons 11 months ago
this is like seeing a the most advanced military hardware doing a classic ballet dance in 15k ft in the sky! magnificent piece of work! gives Jet fighters a new artistic prospective!
badsanta009 11 months ago
love the Ace combat song usage :)
Mcpblackheart 1 year ago
@Mcpblackheart
Me too - from Ace Combat Zero - back when Ace Combat was still good and they didn't try their best to kill the franchise..
Suyamu 11 months ago
bunch of russian punks here..USA IN THE MTF HOUSE...MY ALIENWARE LAPTOP HAS MORE COMPUTE POWER THAN THE SU....GET OVER IT RUSSIANS THE SU HARDWARE COMPONENTS ARE FROM the 80s and 90s.The only think the SU has that is good is the adjustable thrusters thats it....THE SU JUST GIVES OFF TO MUCH HEAT AND NOT TO ARROW DYNAMIC AND IT LOOKS OLD....NOW THE F22 LOOKS HIGH TECH AS SOON AS U SEE IT...THE super computer and advanced radar will see and lock on the su before it even knows its been had.
ultra78721 1 year ago
no!!!! us airplanes or the best
MI24HIND101 1 year ago
te maszyny powinna mieć Polska a nie złomy z Ameryki Su 37 to jest piękna maszyna
ps3site1 1 year ago
Russia No1 XD
1968drale 1 year ago
long live sukhoi!! long live namco ace combat!!!
kmontoya800 1 year ago
All the fly as they can, SU - as he wants!
Co6akka 1 year ago
All SU's are real fighters.
All F's are budget busters.
ES350ES350 1 year ago 24
@ES350ES350 F-16/18/(15) is not expensive in use, the Flanker is the same as F-15 and Su-30MKI is a pain in the ass to maintain for the Indians. The MiG-29 is cheap, but it is outclassed in combatagainst the F-16. The MiG-29 has been shot several times down by F-16's and F-16 has no A-A losses...
JVC7400 11 months ago
"Ovaj avion je tako reci produkt hladnog rata"
Internet is practically product from cold war just as this plane but Internet and this plane are awesome, without any of those two things we could not watch this vid :)
tramvaj12 1 year ago
oh wait i know this music, it give me chills! BELKAN WAR!!!!!
WisPT 1 year ago
Best plane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gostbearlegasy 1 year ago
Are these available for export?
Kallosar 1 year ago
@Kallosar wanna buy one?
branless 1 year ago
@branless
I was just wondering. Since I heard the MIG35 was available for export and MIG29 upgrades were available as well taking parts of the MIG35
Kallosar 1 year ago
@Kallosar yeah, MIG 35 is actually enhanced MIG 29
branless 1 year ago
F-22 is better. It needs so many computers because it is so unstable which means more ability. The U.S. airforce is just not allowed to show us the capability of the f-22
lovetofly12 1 year ago
@lovetofly12 su 35BM(was su 37) have better radar than f22, because radar of su 35 can see further than radar of f22(400 kilometres versus 210 kilometres). If make su 35 with stealth technology, F22 will smoke, because SU 35 better F 22 in all parameters, except stealth technology. In spite of the fact that su 35 is 4 ++ generation, and f 22 is 5 generation
Mihalych1234 1 year ago
вот куда ушли "жигули". Даеш Народу СУУК-Хой! В Перед РОССИЯ в ПЕРЕД в НЕБЕСА:)
MegaPagon 1 year ago
SUs are Self sufficient, in the event of a Global nuclear war, All Computer dependable planes will become useless and you will see dogfights make a comeback ;p
Raddaaee 1 year ago
yah this is god...but...now...nothing can be compare with the F22
racul97 1 year ago
Can anyone tell me what's the name of the soundtrack??
netcong2 1 year ago
@netcong2 yeah its the ace combat zero soundtrack the songs called zero!
sandman1567 1 year ago
my country now only have MIG 29 and Su 30..soon we'll get SU 37 Terminator for side by side to terminate any unknown aircraft on my country airspace.
partleykbb 1 year ago
一番好きな戦闘機だぜ・・・
doas3086 1 year ago
su-37 素晴らしい設計です！
大型戦闘機で、これ程の旋回性能や曲技飛行が出来る事が凄い！
この機体を参考に、エンジンの間をミサイル格納庫として、カーボンファイバーで機体を
製作し、ステルス化すればF22以上の戦闘機になるでしょうね。
3dannsiki 1 year ago
The best and most beautiful jet in the world!
sander1230 1 year ago
@sander1230 : of course..but why SU 47 Berkut has disegn like that..i think it so big..
partleykbb 1 year ago
Haha ace combat zero musicXD
aradelav 1 year ago
this is the music from ace combat zero the belkan war
TheJordanHartt 1 year ago
alguien me puede decir como se llama la cancion
Mr555765 1 year ago
como se llama la cancion del video?
Mr555765 1 year ago
su-37はフランカーではないはず。フランカーはsu-27で、su-37はターミネーターのはずでは・・・？
bleach560i 1 year ago
@bleach560i そだぬｗ
俺の記憶でもタミネですｗｗ
chika0405 1 year ago
Sad it's the only SU-37 left... As the second fighter they made crashed, so the project was laid on ease for the time being.
Shurryy 1 year ago
@Shurryy I believe it was an Su-35 that crashed.
As far as the Su-37: its too expensive while not having stealth technology. To take advantage of stealth, all you need to do is fly. To take advantage of this advanced maneuvorability, you need very well-trained pilots, which are generally hard to come by.
T90SVladimir 1 year ago
@T90SVladimir
Your words make sense, but I still believe that there was a SU-37 that crashed out of two prototypes. The 37 was afterall in a prototype state used for testing the abilities of 2D Thrust Vectoring.
Then again it might have been the SU-35BM you are talking about that had engine trouble on the runway?
These are far from official claims, just what I believe and stuff I've heard from other people and read... I was not there when/if it all occurred.
BTW I enjoy fighterjets! :D
Shurryy 1 year ago
@Shurryy Funny, Russian wikipedia article notes one was lost; the english one doesn't mention it, and also says it has 3d thrust vectoring and is moving into production (the latter is very likely in accurate; last prototype was made in 2002).
Indeed, I had the SU-35BM in mind; didn't know this one also crashed(?) in '02.
T90SVladimir 1 year ago
@T90SVladimir
You know your words are SO welcome right now!
Su-37 in production? DREAM COME TRUE!!! :D
I love the SU-37, it's equal with my F-22 fanboyism... If not stronger.
Well I would assume that Russian Wikipedia knows better than the English one since Russia is the developers... xD
Shurryy 1 year ago
@Shurryy Yeah, the Russian article may have more credibility. But its the English one that noted the production; I seriously doubt it since nothing has been made for 8 years.
The Russian MOD is concentrating on the Mig-35 (also 3d TV, plus other advances), and particularly on the T-50 PAK FA (3d TV as well, new powerplant, excellent electronics), along with its navalized variant, to enter service on the enlarged Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier (overhaul scheduled from 2012 to 2018-2020).
T90SVladimir 1 year ago
Still, only a handful of Su-30s, Mig-29K, and Su-35BMs that they can count on in the next 5 years...
Russian/USSR aircraft technology has been 5-8 years behind that of the US; if Russia develops a 5th gen fighter, the US has over 120. Its better, cheaper, but this is only a good thing if war doesn't happen. Russia invests much more in SAM technology, which is much better than the US, admittedly with TI chips in them, though the def. budget is 10x smaller.
T90SVladimir 1 year ago
@T90SVladimir don't matter much. The SU30 and upwards is still based on an old perfect airframe. The old Su-27 even, is a few percent better than the F15, a few percent, and now we are only talking about the airframe. The Su-27 flew in 1984, the F15 in 1975. So realize that U.S. is ahead in every field when it comes to aircraft.
MajSolo 1 year ago
@MajSolo Unless Wikipedia has something terribly wrong, the Su-27 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 and 1977 respectively. The Su-27 entered service later, but it is just an indication of a more powerful US economy, and the gap there is only 5 years.
Soviet aricraft were much more rugged in terms of maitenance and support overall, which IMO is a serious advantage in war. But today, the US is definetly ahead, though by how much it is difficult to tell.
T90SVladimir 1 year ago
@T90SVladimir No according to WIKI F15 devlopment started in 1967, it first flew in 1972, and entered service in 1976 according to Wiki, but I read it reached service in 1975, and I have given that figure earlier and it has been confirmed. So service in the airforce is 1975 or if you prefer 1976 for the F15.
The Sue went through a number of transformations and reached frontal aviation in 1984. Wiki does not say when devlopment started but that first version flew in 1977, final version in 1984
MajSolo 1 year ago
@MajSolo First Su-27 version in 1977 is that T-1 with ogival wings and the tailfins inboard of the engines. They were not happy with it at all. So 1977 really does not count , it is just a year when they had "something flying". Since the T-1 is so far off from from the perfected aircraft and the final version that was fielded in 1984. It is more correct to use the years when development was finnished and the aircraft approved for mass production.
Aerodynamically the Su-27 is great IMHO.
MajSolo 1 year ago
@MajSolo It was not just Sukhoi involved in the development, the CCCP government had they own engineers, I don't remember how to spell it "SIBNIAA" or something like that, they did a lot of work and allready knew some basic stuff about how Mig29/Su27 fighters needed to look to perform. But then u need a aircraft company to weld it together, put wing on it and wheels, missiles and bombs and so on, that is the industrys responsiblity. CCCP government did a lot of work and helped with problems.
MajSolo 1 year ago
@MajSolo
Wiki SibNIA
No one has written any article on this russian reasearch lab yet. I would like to know how much work on aircraft they have done through history,
MajSolo 1 year ago
@MajSolo But if you forget Wiki it is called
Chaplygin Siberian Aeronautical Research Institute / SIBNIA
So you can google for it
MajSolo 1 year ago
@MajSolo You can also google for GosNIIAS
I think they also had something to do with the development of the Su.27. Then go buy some books and learn how perfectly the air flow around that aircraft body.
MajSolo 1 year ago
Damn, that is just one beautifull machine!
baronvonzoom 1 year ago 2
F-18 Super Hornet, Grippen or Rafale??
gebezeira 1 year ago
haha ACE COMBAT music!
Great plane btw
wouter8492 1 year ago
lets say russian jets are the best, but they have been to a hostile territory? definitely NO, but US jets did. its just like claiming you have the fastests car but never been in any race.
junver29 2 years ago
mig 35 is the best
cheepo888 2 years ago
the united states does not need 5th G figher to destroy developing countries just think about
polita5 2 years ago
Exactly, that proves they are the number 1 terrorist in the world.
ulluriaq 2 years ago
if you think that way is fine with me . you realize too that the US donate 100 million US dollars to haiti and china only 4.4 millions terrorist donate more than the rest
polita5 2 years ago
И шо ж вы балакаете?? Це ж гарний ероплан!!! ГАГА--ГА.!!!!!!
1979Bakaloff 2 years ago
Нека Бог чува Русију, поред свих западних подвала и ометања они су најбољи у свему.
teslic59 2 years ago
Cool......
Slipnjer 2 years ago
Da tako je americkim avionima treba 50 kompjutera da bi ostali u vazduhu!American fighter planes need 50 computers to fly because they need to develop better aerodynamics.
D3LB0Y33 2 years ago
just jelous?
why americans are so jelous of Russia?
Because its only one country in world which can handle USA,
Infect F 22 Raptor is crap,costly,
and sukhois are half in cost and better in performance
Jaswindersinghkhalsa 2 years ago 2
@Jaswindersinghkhalsa
You're wright... Every Su is better than any american jet
marcin1283 2 years ago 37
@marcin1283 Uhhh, that's right, not as in to "write something on a piece of paper." If you're gonna be a wise ass, don't smear poop on your face while doing so.
smokeldogg 1 year ago
When the nav sats go...and radar is gone...and it will...this dog figther...will be reckoned with...check six...wake up!
MonsterZeroo 2 years ago
russian trash
eee545 2 years ago
now U shut the fuck up!!!why u all are talking about superiority of any plane???ha??u are military expert?posting such comments make u something like little kid saying my country is not right but it's my country! I' am sure that u don't know nothing about SU's and even about f-22!!u are listening this propaganda from TV and belive it!!evry normal guy knows that new modifications of su can resist f-22 in dogfight...i don't know who will be the winner but i know one more thing they are awesome!!
barcxanski87 2 years ago 2
The Su-37 it's much better than others similar aircrafts, ¿what likes a dogfight with him? NOTHING¡¡¡¡
El Su-37 es mucho mejor que otros cazas similares ¿quién se aventaría un dogfight con el? ¡¡¡NADIE!!!
SukhoiFranco 2 years ago
There is no Su-37 anymore. All that footage that you see is many years old. The aircraft in the footage is the famous number 711. It crashed during flight test on December 19th 2002. 711 was converted back into an Su-35 during 2000 and as an Su-35 was lost in the 2002 crash. The pilot ejected successfully.
TE3EJ 2 years ago
I don't have this data, and you are in the right, it's a little "old" images. Anywere, the Project 711, T 10M-11 or Su-37 is very, very better than other modern aircrafts of today (do you say Typhoon, S/MTD, F-22 or F-35?, no way man¡)
SukhoiFranco 2 years ago
Sweet song, who sings this?
agentfazexx 2 years ago
Ace Combat Zero : The Belkan War
Song : Zero Suondtrack
KogaMitarashi 2 years ago
Nice Video ^_^
Bonampak2012 2 years ago
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i think the f 35 looks better.
LoftyBird 2 years ago
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SukhoiFranco 2 years ago
Sweet. The last manned super dog fighter.
tgamo 2 years ago
Sweet... not as cool as the F22 but sweet...
countryboy44555 2 years ago
F-22 is canceled and deactivated.
Goodspittin 2 years ago
No, the SU-37 is much better than the F-22 ...
123SerGeY321 2 years ago 2
not cool in what?! Su-37 better than f-22 n Discovery recognized it!!!
Konabis 2 years ago 4
Hahaha what a bullshit. F 22 is the best - stelth aircraft in the world, and it is functional, not like this piece of crap that crashed 2 times. i admit that Su 37 looks very cool, but it s a wreckage......
KogaMitarashi 2 years ago
F-22 crashed the same times...Who speak about stelth?! Coz it's not effective (N war in Yugoslavia is an example)...What kind of funcions u speak?! Fly n Shoot?! F-22 ll crashed... all kind of military experts agree that Su-35 way better then F-22...
n as the best example Obama turn off the F-22 programm...so u lol'd me!!!
Konabis 2 years ago
SHUT UP HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT An old SU 35 is better than a F22? and beside, the F 22 never crashed you idiot! . russian fighters have the oldest technology ever....you won't win a battle only because you're fast, but because the aircraft technology is good! also, F 22 has a 360° view cockpit , not like the sukhoi where you can't see a fuck!
KogaMitarashi 2 years ago
360° ooohhh...nice... so...he can shoot in all this degree - NO... can he turne that fast that can Su or Mig NO... U lose in this too...go n cry in ur pillow...coz pillow ll not nevere evAr offend u... god...I wonder then i have the same pilolow as urs!!!
Konabis 2 years ago
Ha Ha Your ass should have a 360° view cockpit to fuck you GOOD! eeeee baby
Lovememore2010 2 years ago
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there are no more su 37, the 711 crashed, because it's a piece of crap!!!!!!!!! you russian sucks!!!!!!!!!11 america would sweep your trash out of the skies haha....you don't even know what kind of technology has an F 22 or typhoon.......always the best!!!!!!! Russia SUCK
KogaMitarashi 2 years ago
Have itself in an ass the idiot! You not fighters! In Afghanistan sit in blindages and do in trousers!
mexanik2810 2 years ago
@KogaMitarashi
You got now idea about jets... You're stupid every Su is better than any F which needs about 50 computers to be able to stay in the air... You know as much as they tell You on discovery channel
marcin1283 2 years ago 42
any f doesn't needs 50 computers to stay in the air, and besides those planes doesn't creashes like Sus.....russian fighter are all copied from americans one and they've got a shit of technology!!!1 they are pieces of crap...but i realized that i doesn't want to admit it fuckers
KogaMitarashi 2 years ago
@KogaMitarashi
Do you live in states?? Do you know how many F goes down??? They don't tell you that... Did you know that they are not going to make any more F-22??? they are to expensive and not as good as they where telling everybody. .. When russian jet crashes most of the times it's pilots error , if F any F crashes it's a jet failure.
marcin1283 2 years ago 3
well today to win a dogfight its not about skills. its digital combat the whole thing. and the SU37 here is alot older then a F22. also the F22 has no losses in Air combat. its undefeated. its like comparing an old volkswagen and a Koenigsegg.
TommyA9011 2 years ago
F22 was never used in combat yet. Steath tech is KGB tech to force americans spend money for ussles tech. It was proven in Seribia where 4 - f117 been seccesfuly shuted down by old soviet AA s200.
mer3abec 2 years ago
yeah and we notice just on your english that you are very knowing in your subject.... to say the F22 is a big improvement in the US airforce that already is in superior in the air compared to other airforces... just check out the F35 or something.
TommyA9011 2 years ago
F35 is a copy of older YAK141, search here and compare desigen. This tech was sold to america.
mer3abec 2 years ago
its not a copy at all... the YAK141 doesnt got any similairity more then its VTOL and a jet... and also i read it wasnt finnished and canceled by the soviet union due to the difficulty to develop the aircraft further cause it wasnt stealth ready. it looks more like a tornado then a F35.. and to say the F35 doesnt implement what you said. it was the F22 now that uses rektangular intakes. and its a common use on aircrafts. russia fails one more time...
TommyA9011 2 years ago
Lokk at exhaust , it is designed in USSR and ther is a film on youtube about it, aerodinamic form is the same. F35 used moder materials , thats all diferens.
mer3abec 2 years ago
not to mention if you shot down 4 of those F117... what did they do to the OPFOR? i think they satturated and blew you into bits a few times before you even got the hands on them with some lucker shots.
TommyA9011 2 years ago
Our top military engineers said the exact same thing before Vietnam when the F-4 was designed, they got blown out of the sky daily as a result of not being maneuverable or having guns.
And not a single F-22 has, or ever will see, combat in current opps. If you took a Raptor and flew it at the level of current air-to-ground sorties it could easily be spotted and shot down from the ground. And it would be more vulnerable than other aircraft because of the lack of armor.
Goodspittin 1 year ago
easily and easily... the US didnt loose many of the F-4s. i didnt say it was impossible to down a F-22 but put it like this. its survivability is higher then the most aircrafts today. also the armor wouldnt matter alot. if you get hit a by a AA missile your mostly toasted. and for comparision against the russians. All the american series of fighter aircrafts that have been encountering MIGs the US aircrafts have a way higher kill count then the russian MIGs. Talking MIG vs F series.
TommyA9011 1 year ago
I'm talking about machine gun and rifle fire being able to knock a out the Raptor. The designers themselves said this. I just think that planes like the F-16 or Mig-29 are better than ones such as the F-22 on the basis of survivability, maneuverability, and feasibility in a real wartime scenario.
I hold to my opinions. And that's that pilot skill is 10x more important than how high-tech an aircraft is or who makes it.
Goodspittin 1 year ago
i have hard to believe that since the F-22 has better maneuverability. its something you dont have to se in war. it makes sharper turns etc. and also i have hard to believe you will shot down a Jet flying at a altitude of 3000m @ 1000km/h. even if you would have an AAA it would be hard i believe. pilot skill is important but for instance in sweden where i live we have the JAS 39 gripen its not the best in the world but atleast i know for instance it can target up to 4 targets both air and ground
TommyA9011 1 year ago
makes hell of a easier strafing run with AGMs on the ground even if your skilled pilot sitting behind this technology think of what you can do. instead of 4 runs getting in line of fire from the enemy you can drop 1 payload and hitting 4 targets at the same time in a large area.
TommyA9011 1 year ago
ok first things first, a strafing run is when you do shoot with the Cannon (jep that old piece of shellthrowing junk) at ground forces otherwise its an ground attack or bomb run. A run is always into the target and the egress not when you stay away from the target and AGMs need something to lock on, ever tried lock a man? Sides the problem with your reasoning is that you usually need a run in for each target, for proper indentification and to satisfy the employement parametres for the weapon.
LupusAries 1 year ago
See, planes like the JAS-36 are 100x more feasible than the Raptor.
As for Russia, their 5th Generation fighter, the Sukhoi PAK FA, only cost $50,000,000. And the current Mig-29M variants that the Russians use have multiple target lock-on capabilities. That added to a power/ weight ratio of 2: 1is impressive for a 30million dollar plane.
Pilots I've talked to from Arnold AFB say the F-22 is nice, but not $150,000,000 nice. The military should have the best, not the most expensive planes.
Goodspittin 1 year ago
You don't know shit about planes! Who invented F117? Who helped build american helicopters? Russians! Do your research before writing stupid things idiot!
actionman172 2 years ago
@marcin1283
Lol...Su need 50 computers too, he is so tail heavy! Although i think Su is an awesome plane.
molinobeer 2 years ago
@marcin1283
Well it's about time the Russians catch up with technology instead of sticking to the old unreliable ways, perhaps that's why American fighters are superior in avionics technology?
But damn I wish they would make more of these Terminators...
Shurryy 1 year ago
@marcin1283 Well at least we dont paint our planes in desert camo.
77PensFan 1 year ago
@marcin1283 Actually even on the discovery Chanel SU 37 was better than F planes LOL.
tramvaj12 1 year ago
@tramvaj12 Umm, right, first of all The Su-37 was a tech demonstrator not a figther aircraft... so how could be better than any American jet in service, when itself is not in use?
JVC7400 11 months ago
@JVC7400 Yes but SU-35 BM is the final Release version and it is outstanding as well in flight as well in electronics. And now they are going with stealth planes so that is some future conclusion. Look the good concern but nonetheless paranoid one. watch?v=v7K58XFZaa8 For me this is stupid cause Ammerica is way paranoid and most outrage on US is cause by US paranoid.
tramvaj12 11 months ago
@tramvaj12 Yes, but how can you say that it was on discovery when it wasent?
JVC7400 11 months ago
@JVC7400 Yes it was, just type SU-37 discovery.
tramvaj12 11 months ago
I've never met so stupid man as you!!!!!!
Lovememore2010 2 years ago
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What a piece of Crap this Su 37
KogaMitarashi 2 years ago
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LoftyBird 2 years ago
song is from ace combat 5 and 6
gerber211 2 years ago
how do you no that? i am ace combat X fan, i have that game
leebeanhai 2 years ago
Noro letalo. Kljub teži čez 30 ton vektorski potisk dela svoje. Sam potisk veliko bolj gibljiv kot pri F-35, zraven tega veliko hitrejši kot F-22 in in F35.
Glede na to da ima sedaj zahodno elektronsko opremo v kombinaciji z oborožitvijo ga naraedi enega najboljših če ne celo najboljšega lovca na svetu.
LP
Rtype1000 2 years ago
Beautiful song, Beautiful plane. Angel of the sky.
ChronoShinta 2 years ago 3
u jeee...fasciniran sam! isto kao kad moja baba posle ruske parade na tv-u tri dana ne moze da dodje sebi...sreca pa nema net,, inace bi bila ravnopravni ucesnik u ovoj plodonosnoj diskusiji.
bargro78 2 years ago
sisajte kurac glupi amerikanci!!!
suck my dick stupid americans!!!
flyingcircus29 2 years ago 2