@zach49944 I loved my marlin 336's ability to load the next rd without changing the aim point. Guess the 308-7mm is the heir but will it get as many deer?
Hey, don't get me wrong I wouldn't argue with a man with a gun!! but we banned guns in the UK in 1996 after one gun owner walked into a primary school an massacred 15 children and a teacher, perhaps if we took childrens welfare seriously we should have banned steam engines.
@zhagray I agree, ban cars and guns thriughout the world, how many people do steam engines kill in comparison to guns and cars? the thought of unlicenced steam engines makes me shiver
@getsomelead MArlins are good guns, probably better, but no reason why not to like a 94.i own one, and finding out each time i shoot how wonderfull it is for being a relativly cheap product
@InAKwitmyHK91 the post 64 M94's are cheeper i was lucky enough to get my grandfathers that was made in 1946. if you ever get the chance to get a pre 64 gun it is well worth the money
@kode1303 lol I was calm all the time... What is your "problem" than? I was kinda angry because normally when you watch a SHOOTING video, you wanna hear the gun SHOOTING.
@NC77583 Yes, true. The whole sound was on in the beginning - shots and all. But I used ZZ Top in the background - big no-no - now it's like this, which sucks.
yes that is true but as there is no more winchester and 30/30 has not carried their name in a long time....
I have no point other than it is not marlin's, it is of course not proprietary either meaning remington, hornady and maybe even federal can make the 30/30 ammo without fear of the defunct firearms mfr coming after them.
but you are correct sorry I generalized way to much. :<
ok vid 30/30 has nothing to do with brand it is 30cal and the load was 30gr of powder smokeless which was new at the time.
marlin makes excellent guns but 30/30 is not theirs by any means, and hardly worth fighting over.
winchester has several advantages esp if a scope is unneeded very easy to unload if needed and also can plus one it real easy, it is also a safer throw around gun. "I also would carry the .44mag version"
Today the 30-30 is the name of a cartridge, but in fact Winchester designed this number around 1895, and the proper name is 30-30 WCF or Winchester Center Fire. So some might say that the 30-30 cartridge is a Winchester brand ;-)
@IAmThatCoolGuy The way you hold the rifle on that video is truly gay. Calling yourself "IAmThatCoolGuy" is somewhat gay too ... but the way you hold the rifle is gayer ;-)
@kode1303 What are you talking about it's "gay" how he holds the rifle? Many of the positions they are firing from are standard firing positions taught in the US Military. The only correction to his prone firing stance is he can point his toes straight down so that he can use them to pivot his firing position. Your comment here is completely gay.
@molly43able Yes, a 94. As far af I know Winchester has gone bust and the weapon is not produced anymore (??). The rifle might be worth money one day!
Winchester is owned by browning, (F/N) has brought back the 94 AE as of 2010, for now its limited to collector series, as for going up in value, they have made 7 million lever guns, In 1964 the manufacturing of the 94 was changed in order to make the firearm less expensive to produce. Generally "pre-64" rifles command a premium price over post-64 rifles.
@kode1303 yeah, i know. im just saying that when marlin came along, they basically renamed the cartrige from .30 Win to .30-30 because they didn't want their opponents name on their rifles. :) haha yeah a marlin 336 .30 win., yeah they didnt want that! my dad also has a 336cs .30-30.
Settle down trooper. I was forced to do Audio Swap. Used to have ZZ Top and sounds of the shots etc. So I just picked a song of the right length - have no idea who it is.
It has the the flat nosed ammo against it - if it wasn't for that I guess you could go as far as any rifle with moderate strength power with the right sights. I don't think I'll go any further that 100 metres or so - my rifle is intended for the small roe deer in forest, so the distances are small in any case.
yah we killed a 7 pointer and a doe off our 190 acres this year. i shot at a 10 pointer 100 yards runnin with my 12 gauge and hit under his belly. oh well thank god i didnt wound him
i wouldnt put a scope on it the rifle is good for about 200yds. effectively shooting farther than that with it is asking alot. great rifle though, they say more game has been taken with this rifle than any others.
You are very right sir. Its the number one big game gun in America... I suppose thats based on sales not kills but thats what they say. And I agree no scope. Thats how i shoot mine.
good shootin deadeye..my 30/30 isa vintage marlin 336c...i wouldn't trade ot for love nor money....Iprefer the marlin because of the side ejection..taken many a critter with that gun...sweet brush gun
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Your prone position is all wrong, however, for an inexperienced shooter you did good. Just learn to control your breathing, build a better bridge, and get rid of that 90's piece of crap and go get one from the early 80's or older.
Hammer the lever for smoother operation and don't bother with a scope. The Williams 5D irons' are one of the best receiver sights ever made. They are accurate at over 125 yards and allow for faster sighting than a scope.
I've been shooting in the prone like this for over 20 years, althought it's my first with this rifle. I'm used to iron sights, but mostly peep-style (which I'n going to fit on the Winchester) on army rifles and machine guns (H&K). The music is bad - had to AudioSwap.
Just because you've been doing something for a long time doesn't mean it's correct. I bought this gun in 1967 new for $98. I'm an NRA member, and was taught all four shooting disciplines (standing, kneeling, sitting and prone)on my high school small bore shooting team where I was top scorer, and which also gave me a head start on the range when I was in the Marines.
I bought an old Mossberg 30-30 at a gun show. Zeroed the scope with the flat nosed ammo at 600 feet to get a feel of it. Then I switched to the Hornady Leverevolution ammo and it was hitting high at that distance. The Hornady ammo really does have a flatter trajectory and extend the reach of the venerable 30-30. I was impressed.
I haven't tried the 'soft spitzer' myself yet, but it makes sence what you are saying. My plan is to load pointed bullets for my 30-30 savage lever action. Might try it out in the Winchester - one at the time - to see how it works in that rifle.
Chuck Hawks once mentioned that he would put one spitzer (pointed) bullet in the chamber and one in the magazine. Always with the safety on. That allowed him two pointed rounds if he came across game because they do shoot flatter. But I think he was reloading his own so you might not be able to buy it in regular store. I never even looked for it. Anyway, I really like the reach and light recoil of the old 30-30 with the Hornady ammo. Now it is good to about 300 yards for deer.
Hey, you know, you can do what you want here, but putting pointed rounds in a tubular mag, kinda sounds like a bad idea...at least that's what I was taught when I took my PAL course.
You're right! I wrote 30-30 Savage lever action above. What I should have written was BOLT action. It functions like any other bolt action rifle and has a box magazine. Only problem is cartridge length with spitzers - so far I've found 150 grain truncated cone spitzers from RWS.
Your discussion on grenade launcher vs shotgun has amused me and others. However you now take up so much space here, where the topic is the 30-30 cartridge, that you are now both blocked.
I thought you were done with this conversation? I thought you blocked me? Worried you won't get in the last word?
Now you are making ridiculous claims that I don't "respect" the shotgun because I am not a gun owner.
I won't argue that the shotgun has greater effective range than in video games, I don't get my facts from video games, but assault rifles are preferred by the armies of the world for damn good reason.
My opinion: I'd have a bolt-action rifle over even a Saiga-12.
"A cartridge, also called a round, packages the bullet, gunpowder and primer into a single metallic case precisely made to fit the firing chamber of a firearm" that the definition to which a 40mm grenade does not fir the discription of.
Right, so you are claiming that a 40mm grenade round is not a cartridge... even though it DOES contain a primer, gunpowder and bullet and it does precisely fit in the chamber of a firearm.
And a grenade launcher is a firearm (gun) because the burning powder in the cartridge in a controlled explosion is used to fire a projectile out the barrel at 250 feet/sec, which is almost 300mph higher velocity than most non-firearm weapon (bow).
I can't believe you actually think you have refuted a thing.
A firearm is a device, often designed to be used as a weapon, which projects either single or multiple projectiles at high velocity through a controlled explosion. Once again does not fit the definition of a grenade launcher.
The KS-23 was invented in Russia to control prison riots, but now the main practical use for it is anti-vehicle. A good High explosive incendiary cartraige is all you need and your set to go, in which the KS-23 has such cartraiges readily avaliable to it. Now i'm not claiming it will stop a tank, but it would definitely stop most anything else that you can reasonbly hit.
But there a high-explosive incendiary round for the KS-23 does not exists, you can't say it is most destructive if it does not exist! Please at least give the code-name for this supposed HE-incendiary round for the KS-23 that you claim exists.
You claimed the KS-23 could penetrate HALF A METER of hardened steel, that would take out the front armour of an M1 Abrams tank!
Now you can't even prove it can penetrate 5 inches of steel. But why would an anti-riot gun need to be so powerful?
That's really all I can say about it, as that once and for all proves that you are incorrect in comparing the two to begin with. If you choose to continue then it's because you cannot accept the truth. There's no point in defending myself against a man who won't accept it.
You know what dude we're arguing over something that doesn't really matter. At the end of the day this benefits neither of us, and we're still going to have our opinions. So i'll respect your opinion, as long as you respect my opinion. I personally dion't see sense in comparing a Shotgun shell to a 40 mm grenade, but if you do then you can compare then in detail. As long as you respect my opinion as a professional i'll respect your opinion as well.
My proffesion is engineer and weapon designer. Even CEOs of companies have back spelling and grammar. Even if you are my age you are by no means a peer of mine, however a pellet gun can travel faster then 250 fps and it's a non-firearm. However I will respect your opinion, though i have never built a 40 mm grenade to the specifications that your claiming.
I'll do one better for you i'll tell you what guns i've designed. AWP-12 and AWP-23, the project was started in order to replace low powered small caliber rifles with larger caliber weapons that would otherwise be unfeasible because of the exact thing we were talking about. My project is privately funded by a company called CSI(CNC Solutions Inc). Which is primarily an engineering company that rebuilds and reprograms CNC Machines, among other private projects like the one mentioned.
So you don't actually work for an armaments company, you are just "in talks" with one. Yet you have designed some weapons that you simply refer to as "AWP-12 and AWP-23"
Do you have an FFL? What type?
At best you are fresh out of college, have no work experience and you're barely old enough to drink yet you expect me to believe the US government gave you a license to manufacture Destructive Devices? I can just imagine them looking at your application form full of elementary spelling errors.
No I don't work for a DeGroat Tactical Armaments. In addition to attending to MIT, I had several references to help me get what I needed. David McCart The CEO/Owner of CNC Solutions Inc and Dr. Dennis P. Smith his PhDs are in Business and Psychology. He also worked for government organizations. I really don't think I can tell you much more it might put my job at stake. Before you aks David McCart is my father, that should probably clear up some of the questions you might have had.
Since you have gone that far Mr DB McCart, why don't you just tell me exactly who you are, some way I can check out if your credentials are real.
Even if you have received an FFL, you can only apply for it once 21 years old and it is a long process yet you are still only 21. You mean to tell me you have designed several 40mm grenades and at least 2 weapons systems in just the last few months?
I'm in talks with Degroat Tactical Armaments about producing the firearms. However we have not reduced the recoil to an ammount that I am satisfied with as of yet. I'm also trying to keep the gun as reliable as possible.
If you have then give me the patent number and I will check out your claim. There is no way in hell you would show your design to a company if you have not patented it as they could just steal the design.
I can't find any reference to your AWP weapon system either 12 or 23 variety anywhere.
What next? Are you going to tell me I've won the Nigerian lottery and you just need my bank account details to wire the money? You must think I was born yesterday.
Also i've produced some 40 mm grenades, for a gun I was working on that is as of now been put on standby so that i can focus on the AWP-12 and the AWP-23. To be more technical 40mm HE incendiary grenades. Any other questions?
You do realise that 40mm grenade rounds are listed as destructive devices in US law, it is illegal to even own them without a very hard to acquire licence, let alone be permitted to manufacture them. Even without an explosive charge it is a rifled firearm with a calibre of over 0.5 inch.
Also, you just said you designed "40mm grenades for a gun". So I guess you consider grenade launchers ARE guns, just not when it proves you are wrong.
You need not concern yourself with my projects they are done within legal boundaries. Your right I did refer it as a gun, I should have refered to it correctly as weapon system.
You are ridiculous, calling a grenade launcher a "weapon system" rather than just a gun is just stupid. I mean a bow and arrow is a "weapon system" you just referred to it by a wider definition.
If a grenade launcher is not a gun, what is it? And it is not a weapon system, that is far too broad a term.
PS: I don't think you are breaking the law... I just think you are lying.
Ok buddy what's your profession? What you the fucking manager of Wal-mart? You work at Mcdonalds? You dig ditches for a living? Where are you credentials? Calling a Grenade Launcher a weapon system is calling it what it is, how is that being rediculous. If you compare a shotgun to a Grenade Launcher you've already opened a broad span of things it can be compared to. Hey I got an idea lets compare a Grenade Launcher to a Patriot Missle. PS: I don't give a fuck what you think.
Hmm, why so defensive all of a sudden? Trying to change the subject when I ask you prove that you graduated from MIT or that you have designed any weapon at all?
I think you are 100% bullshit. Maybe you are just delusional, you actually believe your own fantasies.
You keep dodging the issue and coming with the most contrived excuses, contradictions, irrelevant tangents and fanciful stories I don't have the energy any more. Anything to prevent a shotgun being compared with a grenade launcher.
Well then stop comparing a shotgun to a grenade launcher. Also I would like you to know my closing statement in the matter that fact that your calling a 40mm Grenade a cartridge(round is not a technical term) is a contradiction in itself, as the obvious points to it the 40mm Grenade is a Grenade. If you did your homework you would know that it specifically states that the it is 40mm in "GRENADE" caliber. Therefore it's a grenade and should not be compared to a Firearm Cartraige.
Or better yet lets just throw in the M-388 Davy Crockett. Sinse it falls under the category of recoiless rifle it only makes sense to call it a gun by your logic. You need to stop playing all the videos games and get a life.
As far as it being patented, no it's not, at least not yet and that's why I don't freely give out precise details about the weapon system. I believe i've supplied more then enough information then to prove my claims. Now if you don't think im telling the truth I don't give a fuck what you think. Because your opinion wasn't asked, you asked me questions I was willing to answer in order to educate you about myself not get your fucking opinion.
Right, you have designed at least 2 weapons systems and several 40mm grenades yet you claim you have not made any patent claims at all? Not even patent pending?
That is utterly retarded.
Look, you lay your alleged reputation down to refute solid facts yet you cannot give any information to back that up.
You have made so many elementary mistakes, mixing up 23mm shotguns and 23mm cannons and such ignorance on the details like recoil.
It seems the only one here that is lying is you Treblaine. If you knew you had your shit straight then you would realize if if you shot the Grenade launcher using the mechanics of a typical firearm the thing would blow up on you. The grenade is not designed to handle thsoe conditions.
dbmccart is nothing but a Pathological Liar and not a very convincing one at that concocting such ridiculous stories like he is taking a billionaire to court that only an idiot could dream up and only a moron would expect anyone to believe.
It is really quite sad. He's just too petty to admit he is wrong.
The larger calibers are more deadly, that's like saying the .50 Beowulf doesn't pack the punch of the M4. Your really just being a fucking prick, because you knew when you said grenade launcher that I was talking about guns and not fucking grenade launchers. Not to mention they train people to use those so no the common soldier probably don't know how to use one for shit. It's like giving a recruit a rifle and telling him to hit a target 1000 yards away.
I really would like if you didn't say stuff like "fucking prick" when commenting under my video. Alternative phrases like "Le trash blanche" would be preferred. Thanks.
Ok i'll honor your request. However i do have little tolerance for the ignorant, like a certain someone who wants to compare a grenade launcher to a gun. I mean in all honesty comparing a gun to a grenade launcher is like comparing a grenade launcher to a baseball pitching machine. You know what im talking about?
I hear you! One could even say that the word "gun" is somewhat out of proportion, as it refers to anything with a barrel - maybe even mostly the big guns (e.g. cannons). Maybe you remember the passage from Full Metal Jacket: "This is my rifle, this is my gun. This is for fighting, this is for fun!" ;-)
But that IS the definition of a gun, barrel closed at 1 end, launches projectile by expanding gases of certain burning powders. The excluding factor is if it's mainly an indirect fire like a Howitzer = artillery.
And defining weapons by a couple of lines in a song of a fictional movie? That is hardly definitive.
Anyway, dbmccart was not even limiting himself to a ''gun'' but merely ''the most destructive round you can fire from the hip''. He'll probably say a 40mm round is not a 'round' now.
Calibre is NOT the only factor. What about fragmentation of those 5.56mm rifle rounds that the esteemed Surgeon Col Martin Fackler determined to be far more deadly than the wider but slower 7.62x39mm round from the AK47?
You see .50 Beowulf has not been adopted by any army or even individual of special forces because it is a show-off weapon. Completely impractical for real military business as it's not about "punch" but well understood wound mechanisms where small rifle calibres are better.
There is no fragmentation round for the 5.56mm round. I think you mean ballistic tipped 5.56mm which is useless against anyone who is armored, and when your fighting a war that's everybody. Btw your right a 40mm grenade is not a round its a damn impact grenade you fucking moron. I know what the hell it is, i've designed the damn things before. I have one sitting on the top of my desk. I'm not going to sit here and argue with a guy who wants to compare a Grenade Launcher to a rifles and shotguns.
But the standard issue 5.56mm ammo for US troops (M885) does fragment once penetrating a target. It has been proven time and time again and is what makes the round so deadly. It will also penetrate most body amour, not that Taliban/insurgents even wear armour.
Aren't you being a bit pedantic about 40mm grenade rounds? The actual US Army field manual for the M79 grenade launcher refers numerous times to loading it with 'rounds'.
BTW, you started these comparisons by bringing up the KS-23.
Impact grenades is a category of thrown hand grenades that do not have a timer but explode on impact. Again, you mean to say 40mm Grenade Round.
BTW, what IS this discussion about?
Earlier you dissed a US Marine (and US military in general) as he recounted his experience with shooting .50BMG, saying shotgun is of larger calibre (especially KS-23) and therefore more destructive.
I think I am very much on topic proving how wrong you are.
Oh yeah your proving so well, yeah you don't know what that hell your talking about. The 40 mm Grenade your speaking of is an impact grenade jackass. Unlike you I can actually explain why, because i've built them. Really I don't want to hear your ignorance anymore, I haven't heard a peap frim this for several weeks and then you come in here starting shit with your 40 mm grenades. Your comparing two weapon systems that don't even function remotely alike.
You claim you can explain why but you don't, you just say it is and spew profanities like a potty mouth child.
I HAVE explained how those weapons are comparable by both form and function, yet you ignore that.
You claim to have "built" them. Do you work for a US defence contractor like AAI or BAE? They are the only people permitted to work on high explosive munitions. But considering how bad your spelling is and your vile language I doubt that. Plus your profile page says you are only 21.
I frankly don't give a fuck what you have to say, because i'm done listening to you. I don't care who the fuck you are or where you come from, because obviously you don't know jack shit. You want to sit here and dictate to me what a damn 40 mm grenade is, I doubt you've even seen one much less understand the mechanics that goes into building one. I've got no disrespect for the 40 mm grenade, but they are not what you claim they are.
I have looked up US army field manuals, reputable sources and done the research. You just can't seem to stand being proven wrong yet seem incapable of anything more than hurling verbal abuse and making baseless claims on top of each other.
Dude that's just it, you looked up. So you don't know what the fuck your talking about. All i see here is wanna be know it all youtuber with no life. Hell no I don't have to explain myself to you, and your manuals can keep you company while you stay a virgin for the rest of your life.
You want to tell me that i'm wrong, because you read something online. Reading something online doesn't give you a degree in shit, so go jack off to your porno in the corer this convo is done.
I'm not going to be distracted by your lame insults, do YOU have a degree on this matter? What put you in a position where you can dismiss official documents from the US military and the other examples I have pointed out?
Learning and knowledge is gained from reading of books and verified online resources can be just as valid.
At least I am not like you, having a tantrum like a frustrated toddler over this trivial disagreement.
Official documents, what documents. You have done no such thing. Yes actually I do have the credentials to make the statements I have. The reason i'm getting pissed off, is because I don't like it when someone waits several weeks to make a comment then after I have moved on then decided to come on and make a lame comment. Now i'm just going to end it with this, the 1 gauge shotgun is 42.42 mm which is larger then your 40 mm grenade.
I haven't waited several weeks, I just happened to 1st read your comment weeks after you posted. But the only 1 gauge "shotguns" I can find are absolutely huge, far too heavy to carry like boat mounted Punt Gun or wheeled cannon.
You said the "most destructive round you can fire from the hip" was a shotgun but the closest thing to a 40mm shotgun is too heavy for even the strongest man to pick up, let alone fire from the hip.
I'm sure there are people who can shoot the 1 guage shotgun from the hip, guns with that guage size were used back in the day when african safaris were really big.
Sorry, but simply saying "I'm sure" is not good enough.
Every 1 gauge shotgun or weapon with similar operating principal I've found has weighed hundreds of pounds and still enough recoil to send it and whatever it is attached to reeling back several feet.
As I'm sure you know the 40mm grenade launcher uses a special low-low pressure system to keep both the weapon's overall weight down plus a low velocity so low recoil.
"I think you forget what the biggest gun you can fire from the hip is. A shotgun."
This was my exact, from the exact post you responded to. That I posted at least two weeks ago, but I know it's been more then that. Now you want to sit here and quote me fore hsit I didn't say, look buddy get your fucking facts straight. I'm not going to deal with someone who wants to quote something I didn''t say. So we're done here, you can go on believing whatever the fuck you want to.
Ok yeah I found that comment nvm, but in all technicality am I not right, can you name a gun that fires a bigger round, by definition the Grenade Launcher does not meet the requirements of the definition of the Gun nor does the 40 mm Grenade fit the definition of round.
The largest shotgun you can fire from the shoulder is a 4 bore,I have shot a 4 bore and would not fire it from the hip,I'd break my arm,I only fired the 4 bore once and I had a huge bruise for weeks! The largest shotgun is a punt gun,all these guns come under "wildfowling" guns.dbmcart is such a bullshitter,he's not an engineer,I bet he's a janitor for walmart,if that.I have never read such crap in my life,the 40mm grenade launcher fires a cartridge with a projectile,the shell casing is alloy.
Now i will agree anti personal that round is not as good as a 40mm grenade but I never made a claim that Shotguns were the most destructive I said they were they largest caliber weapon you could fire from the hip. As far as the 42 mm projectile, somethat big that doesn't fragment would be more useful against a tank.
I can't post links but you can easily find the US Army field manuals for 40m Grenade rounds and various 40mm grenade launchers for yourself. Same with Jane's Small Arms and other resources like globalsecurity.
In WWII they used 40mm cannons with solid shot against tanks it was useless. 40mm rounds like M433 can now penetrate 5 inches of hardened steel armour, easily outperforming even the heaviest 42mm cannon.
Lol nice try but even a 23 mm cannon can penetrate roughly 21 inches of hardened steel. 5 inches isn't saying much for penetration, and definitely not enough to completely disable a tank. You can blow the tread up but the tank can still shoot at you. As far as blowing a tank up that's not going to happen with a grenade, well unless you drop it in the hatch. Now even if i did say "round" your still on some ego trip that this is a round and not a grenade.
23mm Cannon is completely different from your KS-23 shotgun you gave as an example:
#1 it weighs over 100lbs so cannot be fired from the hip
#2 it fires a much heavier depleted uranium bullet at almost 3 times the velocity, the recoil is so large it needs to be bolted to an aircraft, freely held it'd rip your arm off.
So it bears no comparison to 40mm grenade round.
Also source on 23mm cannon penetrating HALF A METER of steel armour! Even A-10 Warthog's 30mm cannon can't penetrate that much!
The 40 MM grenade does not use the same mechanics as cartridge to launch its projectile, nor does the Grenade Laucher use the same mechanics as a firearm. Round is not a technical term and may be use to refer to many things loosely, but usely pertains to cartraiges.
With all due respect, i'm assuming your not a gun owner or you would have more respect for shotguns. Shotguns have a much further effective range then shown in video games. I own a Saiga 12 and I can tell you i'd take it own and Assualt Rifle any day.
None of the sources listed would give you irrefutable information, about the topic at hand. Now after yu quoting that, i'm done talking to you. I've asked you several times to put this to rest, and you've still continued. So if I get another comment in my email from you, i'm reporting you to youtube. I'm giving you the option to stop now, and i've made myself very clear I don't want to talk to someone whoes priorities are as fucked up as yours. Feel lucky I don't sue your ass for misquoting me.
you handle the recoil well
zach49944 6 months ago
@zach49944 Thanks.
kode1303 6 months ago
@zach49944 I loved my marlin 336's ability to load the next rd without changing the aim point. Guess the 308-7mm is the heir but will it get as many deer?
sethdog1000 4 months ago
Had to leave due to music!
t10bravo 7 months ago
video is cool song just killed it :(
XaViEr3520 8 months ago
@XaViEr3520 I know!! (read earlier comments).
kode1303 8 months ago
Hey, don't get me wrong I wouldn't argue with a man with a gun!! but we banned guns in the UK in 1996 after one gun owner walked into a primary school an massacred 15 children and a teacher, perhaps if we took childrens welfare seriously we should have banned steam engines.
We have so much to learn from you.
tunneltug 8 months ago
@tunneltug
I'm pretty sure we have tighter gun laws here in Denmark than you in the UK ... but who knows - I might be wrong.
kode1303 8 months ago
@tunneltug the funny thing is, if we should have to ban guns then we should can cars too. cars kill 40 times more people than guns.
zhagray 7 months ago
@zhagray I agree, ban cars and guns thriughout the world, how many people do steam engines kill in comparison to guns and cars? the thought of unlicenced steam engines makes me shiver
tunneltug 7 months ago
You have taught your son to safely use a full bore rifel but when you see a child looking at a steam engine it makes you "shiver"???
tunneltug 8 months ago
@tunneltug Err ... my son is 2½ ... and yes - kids and moving engine parts should not be close to each other.
kode1303 8 months ago
You can teach your son to safely use a rifel but when you see a child watching a steam engine it makes you "Shiver"???
tunneltug 8 months ago
29 people are marlin fans
getsomelead 10 months ago
@getsomelead: In the World?
kode1303 10 months ago
@getsomelead MArlins are good guns, probably better, but no reason why not to like a 94.i own one, and finding out each time i shoot how wonderfull it is for being a relativly cheap product
InAKwitmyHK91 6 months ago
@InAKwitmyHK91 the post 64 M94's are cheeper i was lucky enough to get my grandfathers that was made in 1946. if you ever get the chance to get a pre 64 gun it is well worth the money
getsomelead 6 months ago
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@getsomelead yeah, they sell around here for like 400 dollars and shit. but ill keep that in mind thnakyou
InAKwitmyHK91 6 months ago
WHAT THE HELL?!?! YOU TOOK THE GUN SOUND OFF?!?! WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR PROBLEM?!?!
NC77583 1 year ago
@NC77583 Err ... I state my "problem" in the vid - calm down.
kode1303 1 year ago
@kode1303 lol I was calm all the time... What is your "problem" than? I was kinda angry because normally when you watch a SHOOTING video, you wanna hear the gun SHOOTING.
NC77583 1 year ago
@NC77583 Yes, true. The whole sound was on in the beginning - shots and all. But I used ZZ Top in the background - big no-no - now it's like this, which sucks.
kode1303 1 year ago
@kode1303 Hum... Bad... But anyways thanks for the answer!
NC77583 1 year ago
winchester is such a nice rifle
xboxlad11 1 year ago
thats crazy man..that must suck because its a kick ass hobbie!
brokenhabbit 1 year ago
i got the same one...model 94 winchester...got it for 200 bucks brand new from a good family friend there 1200 retail..not to shabby!
brokenhabbit 1 year ago
my dad LOVES THIS GUN LIKE HE ACTUALLY WANTS TO MARRY IT BUT MOM WONT LET HIM
airsoftguy41 1 year ago
i got that same gun for christmas
SuperFootball2011 1 year ago
@SuperFootball2011 A fine present - hope you'll enjoy it.
kode1303 1 year ago
hows the recoil on this guy? i just got my hands on one, havent shot it yet
Dale767 1 year ago
@Dale767 Recoil's mild - shouldn't scare anyone.
kode1303 1 year ago
nice vid i just got a 30-30 winchester 3 days ago and on the sec day i shot a 7 point deer
muddiggers9 1 year ago 4
@muddiggers9 permits be damned
sdwebdesign 7 months ago
i wish i will shoot a M24 one day...
kryptikkk777 1 year ago
yes that is true but as there is no more winchester and 30/30 has not carried their name in a long time....
I have no point other than it is not marlin's, it is of course not proprietary either meaning remington, hornady and maybe even federal can make the 30/30 ammo without fear of the defunct firearms mfr coming after them.
but you are correct sorry I generalized way to much. :<
Tinmancr1 1 year ago
@Tinmancr1 No problem friend.
kode1303 1 year ago
ok vid 30/30 has nothing to do with brand it is 30cal and the load was 30gr of powder smokeless which was new at the time.
marlin makes excellent guns but 30/30 is not theirs by any means, and hardly worth fighting over.
winchester has several advantages esp if a scope is unneeded very easy to unload if needed and also can plus one it real easy, it is also a safer throw around gun. "I also would carry the .44mag version"
Tinmancr1 1 year ago
@Tinmancr1
Today the 30-30 is the name of a cartridge, but in fact Winchester designed this number around 1895, and the proper name is 30-30 WCF or Winchester Center Fire. So some might say that the 30-30 cartridge is a Winchester brand ;-)
kode1303 1 year ago
ive shot one of these and its great but then i bought a stainless steel marlin 30-30 and i found that marlin is the best 30-30 maker out there today.
Frank12241996 1 year ago
@Frank12241996 Possibly. You don´t really see Marlins here in Denmark.
kode1303 1 year ago
Is this MTV?!!!!! NO MUSIC!!!
Eversandero 1 year ago
@Eversandero Sorry - YouTube took my original sound track.
kode1303 1 year ago
another video ruined by crap music
223fox 1 year ago
@223fox I know ... read earlier comments to see why.
kode1303 1 year ago
Very sloppy - but - as it is your first time you are forgiven. Keep practicing.
Aussie038 1 year ago
@Aussie038 Errm ... cheers mate :-|
kode1303 1 year ago
haha i love this rifle.i went to the range and fired it,im 12,5 foot 9 and 160 pounds,its perfect,and it has a pretty nice kick too
ganitywaltz 1 year ago
FUCK MUSIC IN VIDEOS DAMMIT
chris35128 1 year ago
im a new shooter, shot this gun and it hurts like a b*tch. Prolly cuz I jumped from a .22 to this in like one month. But now Im afraid of it....
Peidmonte89 1 year ago
whats the song its awesome
Sion428 1 year ago
wo this is gay on my channel i have a vidoe of me shooting an AR15 you guys should check that out
IAmThatCoolGuy 1 year ago
@IAmThatCoolGuy The way you hold the rifle on that video is truly gay. Calling yourself "IAmThatCoolGuy" is somewhat gay too ... but the way you hold the rifle is gayer ;-)
kode1303 1 year ago 8
@kode1303 What are you talking about it's "gay" how he holds the rifle? Many of the positions they are firing from are standard firing positions taught in the US Military. The only correction to his prone firing stance is he can point his toes straight down so that he can use them to pivot his firing position. Your comment here is completely gay.
Decreamos 1 year ago
@Decreamos He started the 'gay business' ... but what the hell - let's all be gay! ;-)
kode1303 1 year ago
with a new model 94 watch your fingers at the loading gate... might lose your skin.
donathanmd7 1 year ago
is that a model 94?...fun gun
molly43able 1 year ago
@molly43able Yes, a 94. As far af I know Winchester has gone bust and the weapon is not produced anymore (??). The rifle might be worth money one day!
kode1303 1 year ago
Winchester is owned by browning, (F/N) has brought back the 94 AE as of 2010, for now its limited to collector series, as for going up in value, they have made 7 million lever guns, In 1964 the manufacturing of the 94 was changed in order to make the firearm less expensive to produce. Generally "pre-64" rifles command a premium price over post-64 rifles.
stclairstclair 1 year ago
@stclairstclair Thanks for the useful info!
kode1303 1 year ago
What rifle is that?
Thanks in advance!
KingKoodles 1 year ago
@KingKoodles 30-30
royby08 1 year ago
@royby08 Sorry, I meant what make and model of rifle is it.
KingKoodles 1 year ago
@KingKoodles its a Winchester Model 94 .30-30, or as it used to be before marlin, .30 Win. my dad has one!
ArcticFox1095 1 year ago
@ArcticFox1095 The Marlin 30-30 lever action is a very different model - not the same rifle with a new name :-)
kode1303 1 year ago
@kode1303 yeah, i know. im just saying that when marlin came along, they basically renamed the cartrige from .30 Win to .30-30 because they didn't want their opponents name on their rifles. :) haha yeah a marlin 336 .30 win., yeah they didnt want that! my dad also has a 336cs .30-30.
ArcticFox1095 1 year ago
It's called i think they shoot cause they want it
52footballplaya 1 year ago
SO U DONT KNOW WHO SINGS THE SONG???
warfaire245 2 years ago
Settle down trooper. I was forced to do Audio Swap. Used to have ZZ Top and sounds of the shots etc. So I just picked a song of the right length - have no idea who it is.
kode1303 2 years ago
mk thanks
warfaire245 2 years ago
It's Creed, the song is called Bullets
tyrianwarrior 2 years ago
song? :D
Dubrey2057 2 years ago
Song is from YouTube's AudioSwap.
kode1303 2 years ago
FOR RIL WHO SING THAT BAD ASS SONG
warfaire245 2 years ago
what is the effective range on your rifle i have a sears model 54 and i'm getting a scope put on it but have never been to the range with it
shane884 2 years ago
It has the the flat nosed ammo against it - if it wasn't for that I guess you could go as far as any rifle with moderate strength power with the right sights. I don't think I'll go any further that 100 metres or so - my rifle is intended for the small roe deer in forest, so the distances are small in any case.
kode1303 2 years ago
i just shot a whitetaill doe about an hour ago with the same gun talk about nock down power holey shit
snowmobileman83 2 years ago
@snowmobileman83 is it aleagle to shoot a doe because they could be pregnant or something??
xBloodfatherx 2 years ago
no there breeding in the winter they have fawns durring the spring
snowmobileman83 2 years ago
oh i didnt think of that
xBloodfatherx 2 years ago
yah we killed a 7 pointer and a doe off our 190 acres this year. i shot at a 10 pointer 100 yards runnin with my 12 gauge and hit under his belly. oh well thank god i didnt wound him
snowmobileman83 2 years ago
oh nice!!!
xBloodfatherx 2 years ago
What about with Hornady Leverevolutations?
SavageArms357 2 years ago
@shane884
Putting a scope on a 30-30 lever action rifle is like polishing a turd.
TheJomogogo 2 years ago
Or taking a shower with a rain coat.
lilburch4505 2 years ago
i wouldnt put a scope on it the rifle is good for about 200yds. effectively shooting farther than that with it is asking alot. great rifle though, they say more game has been taken with this rifle than any others.
lliamcoombs 2 years ago
You are very right sir. Its the number one big game gun in America... I suppose thats based on sales not kills but thats what they say. And I agree no scope. Thats how i shoot mine.
lilburch4505 2 years ago
good shootin deadeye..my 30/30 isa vintage marlin 336c...i wouldn't trade ot for love nor money....Iprefer the marlin because of the side ejection..taken many a critter with that gun...sweet brush gun
bugg255 2 years ago
Awesome! I'm gonna take my new 30-30 and go deer hunting next weekend!
WarsharkProductions 2 years ago
sameee here where are you from?
MrRyno1 2 years ago
Oh, I'm from West Texas. I'm a minor (16) so I can go? (I think) this weekend. If not, the open season starts in a week.
WarsharkProductions 2 years ago
duude im from ontario! and only 13 and have my aprenticship card hopfully i will get my first one this year i missed last year soo.. yeah
MrRyno1 2 years ago
Man that sucks. So what you going to hunt up there?
WarsharkProductions 2 years ago
whitetail.....and mabey some partridge How bout you?
MrRyno1 2 years ago
Whitetail Deer, and I'll take my 20. Gauge so that maybe I can shoot Quail
WarsharkProductions 2 years ago
sweeet hope you get one
MrRyno1 2 years ago
hey get anything hunting?
xixero303 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Your prone position is all wrong, however, for an inexperienced shooter you did good. Just learn to control your breathing, build a better bridge, and get rid of that 90's piece of crap and go get one from the early 80's or older.
Hammer the lever for smoother operation and don't bother with a scope. The Williams 5D irons' are one of the best receiver sights ever made. They are accurate at over 125 yards and allow for faster sighting than a scope.
Ignore these kids that know nothing.
foriamroot 2 years ago
I've been shooting in the prone like this for over 20 years, althought it's my first with this rifle. I'm used to iron sights, but mostly peep-style (which I'n going to fit on the Winchester) on army rifles and machine guns (H&K). The music is bad - had to AudioSwap.
kode1303 2 years ago
Just because you've been doing something for a long time doesn't mean it's correct. I bought this gun in 1967 new for $98. I'm an NRA member, and was taught all four shooting disciplines (standing, kneeling, sitting and prone)on my high school small bore shooting team where I was top scorer, and which also gave me a head start on the range when I was in the Marines.
slickslack7000 2 years ago
I bought an old Mossberg 30-30 at a gun show. Zeroed the scope with the flat nosed ammo at 600 feet to get a feel of it. Then I switched to the Hornady Leverevolution ammo and it was hitting high at that distance. The Hornady ammo really does have a flatter trajectory and extend the reach of the venerable 30-30. I was impressed.
flintstone9812 2 years ago
I haven't tried the 'soft spitzer' myself yet, but it makes sence what you are saying. My plan is to load pointed bullets for my 30-30 savage lever action. Might try it out in the Winchester - one at the time - to see how it works in that rifle.
kode1303 2 years ago
Chuck Hawks once mentioned that he would put one spitzer (pointed) bullet in the chamber and one in the magazine. Always with the safety on. That allowed him two pointed rounds if he came across game because they do shoot flatter. But I think he was reloading his own so you might not be able to buy it in regular store. I never even looked for it. Anyway, I really like the reach and light recoil of the old 30-30 with the Hornady ammo. Now it is good to about 300 yards for deer.
flintstone9812 2 years ago
Hey, you know, you can do what you want here, but putting pointed rounds in a tubular mag, kinda sounds like a bad idea...at least that's what I was taught when I took my PAL course.
erikcanada 2 years ago
You're right! I wrote 30-30 Savage lever action above. What I should have written was BOLT action. It functions like any other bolt action rifle and has a box magazine. Only problem is cartridge length with spitzers - so far I've found 150 grain truncated cone spitzers from RWS.
Thanks.
kode1303 2 years ago
dbmccart and Treblaine!
Your discussion on grenade launcher vs shotgun has amused me and others. However you now take up so much space here, where the topic is the 30-30 cartridge, that you are now both blocked.
take care!
kode1303 2 years ago
To dbmccart.
I thought you were done with this conversation? I thought you blocked me? Worried you won't get in the last word?
Now you are making ridiculous claims that I don't "respect" the shotgun because I am not a gun owner.
I won't argue that the shotgun has greater effective range than in video games, I don't get my facts from video games, but assault rifles are preferred by the armies of the world for damn good reason.
My opinion: I'd have a bolt-action rifle over even a Saiga-12.
Treblaine 2 years ago
"A cartridge, also called a round, packages the bullet, gunpowder and primer into a single metallic case precisely made to fit the firing chamber of a firearm" that the definition to which a 40mm grenade does not fir the discription of.
dbmccart 2 years ago
Right, so you are claiming that a 40mm grenade round is not a cartridge... even though it DOES contain a primer, gunpowder and bullet and it does precisely fit in the chamber of a firearm.
And a grenade launcher is a firearm (gun) because the burning powder in the cartridge in a controlled explosion is used to fire a projectile out the barrel at 250 feet/sec, which is almost 300mph higher velocity than most non-firearm weapon (bow).
I can't believe you actually think you have refuted a thing.
Treblaine 2 years ago
A firearm is a device, often designed to be used as a weapon, which projects either single or multiple projectiles at high velocity through a controlled explosion. Once again does not fit the definition of a grenade launcher.
dbmccart 2 years ago
The KS-23 was invented in Russia to control prison riots, but now the main practical use for it is anti-vehicle. A good High explosive incendiary cartraige is all you need and your set to go, in which the KS-23 has such cartraiges readily avaliable to it. Now i'm not claiming it will stop a tank, but it would definitely stop most anything else that you can reasonbly hit.
dbmccart 2 years ago
But there a high-explosive incendiary round for the KS-23 does not exists, you can't say it is most destructive if it does not exist! Please at least give the code-name for this supposed HE-incendiary round for the KS-23 that you claim exists.
You claimed the KS-23 could penetrate HALF A METER of hardened steel, that would take out the front armour of an M1 Abrams tank!
Now you can't even prove it can penetrate 5 inches of steel. But why would an anti-riot gun need to be so powerful?
Treblaine 2 years ago
That's really all I can say about it, as that once and for all proves that you are incorrect in comparing the two to begin with. If you choose to continue then it's because you cannot accept the truth. There's no point in defending myself against a man who won't accept it.
dbmccart 2 years ago
You know what dude we're arguing over something that doesn't really matter. At the end of the day this benefits neither of us, and we're still going to have our opinions. So i'll respect your opinion, as long as you respect my opinion. I personally dion't see sense in comparing a Shotgun shell to a 40 mm grenade, but if you do then you can compare then in detail. As long as you respect my opinion as a professional i'll respect your opinion as well.
dbmccart 2 years ago
Respect your opinion "as a professional"?
Tell me, as a 21 year old with 5th grade spelling/grammar who curses like a delinquent child, what Exactly is your profession?
Treblaine 2 years ago
My proffesion is engineer and weapon designer. Even CEOs of companies have back spelling and grammar. Even if you are my age you are by no means a peer of mine, however a pellet gun can travel faster then 250 fps and it's a non-firearm. However I will respect your opinion, though i have never built a 40 mm grenade to the specifications that your claiming.
dbmccart 2 years ago
Care to mention which company you actually design weapons for?
PS: a pellet gun is however a "gun" even though not actually a firearm.
Treblaine 2 years ago
I'll do one better for you i'll tell you what guns i've designed. AWP-12 and AWP-23, the project was started in order to replace low powered small caliber rifles with larger caliber weapons that would otherwise be unfeasible because of the exact thing we were talking about. My project is privately funded by a company called CSI(CNC Solutions Inc). Which is primarily an engineering company that rebuilds and reprograms CNC Machines, among other private projects like the one mentioned.
dbmccart 2 years ago
So you don't actually work for an armaments company, you are just "in talks" with one. Yet you have designed some weapons that you simply refer to as "AWP-12 and AWP-23"
Do you have an FFL? What type?
At best you are fresh out of college, have no work experience and you're barely old enough to drink yet you expect me to believe the US government gave you a license to manufacture Destructive Devices? I can just imagine them looking at your application form full of elementary spelling errors.
Treblaine 2 years ago
No I don't work for a DeGroat Tactical Armaments. In addition to attending to MIT, I had several references to help me get what I needed. David McCart The CEO/Owner of CNC Solutions Inc and Dr. Dennis P. Smith his PhDs are in Business and Psychology. He also worked for government organizations. I really don't think I can tell you much more it might put my job at stake. Before you aks David McCart is my father, that should probably clear up some of the questions you might have had.
dbmccart 2 years ago
Since you have gone that far Mr DB McCart, why don't you just tell me exactly who you are, some way I can check out if your credentials are real.
Even if you have received an FFL, you can only apply for it once 21 years old and it is a long process yet you are still only 21. You mean to tell me you have designed several 40mm grenades and at least 2 weapons systems in just the last few months?
Treblaine 2 years ago
I'm in talks with Degroat Tactical Armaments about producing the firearms. However we have not reduced the recoil to an ammount that I am satisfied with as of yet. I'm also trying to keep the gun as reliable as possible.
dbmccart 2 years ago
Have you patented your weapon design?
If you have then give me the patent number and I will check out your claim. There is no way in hell you would show your design to a company if you have not patented it as they could just steal the design.
I can't find any reference to your AWP weapon system either 12 or 23 variety anywhere.
What next? Are you going to tell me I've won the Nigerian lottery and you just need my bank account details to wire the money? You must think I was born yesterday.
Treblaine 2 years ago
Also i've produced some 40 mm grenades, for a gun I was working on that is as of now been put on standby so that i can focus on the AWP-12 and the AWP-23. To be more technical 40mm HE incendiary grenades. Any other questions?
dbmccart 2 years ago
You do realise that 40mm grenade rounds are listed as destructive devices in US law, it is illegal to even own them without a very hard to acquire licence, let alone be permitted to manufacture them. Even without an explosive charge it is a rifled firearm with a calibre of over 0.5 inch.
Also, you just said you designed "40mm grenades for a gun". So I guess you consider grenade launchers ARE guns, just not when it proves you are wrong.
Treblaine 2 years ago
You need not concern yourself with my projects they are done within legal boundaries. Your right I did refer it as a gun, I should have refered to it correctly as weapon system.
dbmccart 2 years ago
You are ridiculous, calling a grenade launcher a "weapon system" rather than just a gun is just stupid. I mean a bow and arrow is a "weapon system" you just referred to it by a wider definition.
If a grenade launcher is not a gun, what is it? And it is not a weapon system, that is far too broad a term.
PS: I don't think you are breaking the law... I just think you are lying.
Treblaine 2 years ago
Ok buddy what's your profession? What you the fucking manager of Wal-mart? You work at Mcdonalds? You dig ditches for a living? Where are you credentials? Calling a Grenade Launcher a weapon system is calling it what it is, how is that being rediculous. If you compare a shotgun to a Grenade Launcher you've already opened a broad span of things it can be compared to. Hey I got an idea lets compare a Grenade Launcher to a Patriot Missle. PS: I don't give a fuck what you think.
dbmccart 2 years ago
Hmm, why so defensive all of a sudden? Trying to change the subject when I ask you prove that you graduated from MIT or that you have designed any weapon at all?
I think you are 100% bullshit. Maybe you are just delusional, you actually believe your own fantasies.
You keep dodging the issue and coming with the most contrived excuses, contradictions, irrelevant tangents and fanciful stories I don't have the energy any more. Anything to prevent a shotgun being compared with a grenade launcher.
Treblaine 2 years ago
Well then stop comparing a shotgun to a grenade launcher. Also I would like you to know my closing statement in the matter that fact that your calling a 40mm Grenade a cartridge(round is not a technical term) is a contradiction in itself, as the obvious points to it the 40mm Grenade is a Grenade. If you did your homework you would know that it specifically states that the it is 40mm in "GRENADE" caliber. Therefore it's a grenade and should not be compared to a Firearm Cartraige.
dbmccart 2 years ago
Or better yet lets just throw in the M-388 Davy Crockett. Sinse it falls under the category of recoiless rifle it only makes sense to call it a gun by your logic. You need to stop playing all the videos games and get a life.
dbmccart 2 years ago
As far as it being patented, no it's not, at least not yet and that's why I don't freely give out precise details about the weapon system. I believe i've supplied more then enough information then to prove my claims. Now if you don't think im telling the truth I don't give a fuck what you think. Because your opinion wasn't asked, you asked me questions I was willing to answer in order to educate you about myself not get your fucking opinion.
dbmccart 2 years ago
Right, you have designed at least 2 weapons systems and several 40mm grenades yet you claim you have not made any patent claims at all? Not even patent pending?
That is utterly retarded.
Look, you lay your alleged reputation down to refute solid facts yet you cannot give any information to back that up.
You have made so many elementary mistakes, mixing up 23mm shotguns and 23mm cannons and such ignorance on the details like recoil.
Treblaine 2 years ago
For anyone is keeping score:
The KS-23 shotgun CANNOT penetrate half a meter of steel armour. That is a straight up lie from dbmccart.
Grenade launcher DOES fit the recognised definition of a gun, as I have explained, and so does a 40mm round.
The ONLY reason he is excluding it is because it proves he is wrong and his arrogance will not allow a modest retraction.
Treblaine 2 years ago 2
It seems the only one here that is lying is you Treblaine. If you knew you had your shit straight then you would realize if if you shot the Grenade launcher using the mechanics of a typical firearm the thing would blow up on you. The grenade is not designed to handle thsoe conditions.
dbmccart 2 years ago
dbmccart is nothing but a Pathological Liar and not a very convincing one at that concocting such ridiculous stories like he is taking a billionaire to court that only an idiot could dream up and only a moron would expect anyone to believe.
It is really quite sad. He's just too petty to admit he is wrong.
Treblaine 2 years ago
The larger calibers are more deadly, that's like saying the .50 Beowulf doesn't pack the punch of the M4. Your really just being a fucking prick, because you knew when you said grenade launcher that I was talking about guns and not fucking grenade launchers. Not to mention they train people to use those so no the common soldier probably don't know how to use one for shit. It's like giving a recruit a rifle and telling him to hit a target 1000 yards away.
dbmccart 2 years ago
I really would like if you didn't say stuff like "fucking prick" when commenting under my video. Alternative phrases like "Le trash blanche" would be preferred. Thanks.
kode1303 2 years ago
Ok i'll honor your request. However i do have little tolerance for the ignorant, like a certain someone who wants to compare a grenade launcher to a gun. I mean in all honesty comparing a gun to a grenade launcher is like comparing a grenade launcher to a baseball pitching machine. You know what im talking about?
dbmccart 2 years ago
I hear you! One could even say that the word "gun" is somewhat out of proportion, as it refers to anything with a barrel - maybe even mostly the big guns (e.g. cannons). Maybe you remember the passage from Full Metal Jacket: "This is my rifle, this is my gun. This is for fighting, this is for fun!" ;-)
kode1303 2 years ago
But that IS the definition of a gun, barrel closed at 1 end, launches projectile by expanding gases of certain burning powders. The excluding factor is if it's mainly an indirect fire like a Howitzer = artillery.
And defining weapons by a couple of lines in a song of a fictional movie? That is hardly definitive.
Anyway, dbmccart was not even limiting himself to a ''gun'' but merely ''the most destructive round you can fire from the hip''. He'll probably say a 40mm round is not a 'round' now.
Treblaine 2 years ago
Calibre is NOT the only factor. What about fragmentation of those 5.56mm rifle rounds that the esteemed Surgeon Col Martin Fackler determined to be far more deadly than the wider but slower 7.62x39mm round from the AK47?
You see .50 Beowulf has not been adopted by any army or even individual of special forces because it is a show-off weapon. Completely impractical for real military business as it's not about "punch" but well understood wound mechanisms where small rifle calibres are better.
Treblaine 2 years ago
There is no fragmentation round for the 5.56mm round. I think you mean ballistic tipped 5.56mm which is useless against anyone who is armored, and when your fighting a war that's everybody. Btw your right a 40mm grenade is not a round its a damn impact grenade you fucking moron. I know what the hell it is, i've designed the damn things before. I have one sitting on the top of my desk. I'm not going to sit here and argue with a guy who wants to compare a Grenade Launcher to a rifles and shotguns.
dbmccart 2 years ago
But the standard issue 5.56mm ammo for US troops (M885) does fragment once penetrating a target. It has been proven time and time again and is what makes the round so deadly. It will also penetrate most body amour, not that Taliban/insurgents even wear armour.
Aren't you being a bit pedantic about 40mm grenade rounds? The actual US Army field manual for the M79 grenade launcher refers numerous times to loading it with 'rounds'.
BTW, you started these comparisons by bringing up the KS-23.
Treblaine 2 years ago
Also no you started these comparisons by bringing impact grenades into the mix. Which is something that does not belong in this discussion.
dbmccart 2 years ago
Impact grenades is a category of thrown hand grenades that do not have a timer but explode on impact. Again, you mean to say 40mm Grenade Round.
BTW, what IS this discussion about?
Earlier you dissed a US Marine (and US military in general) as he recounted his experience with shooting .50BMG, saying shotgun is of larger calibre (especially KS-23) and therefore more destructive.
I think I am very much on topic proving how wrong you are.
Treblaine 2 years ago
Oh yeah your proving so well, yeah you don't know what that hell your talking about. The 40 mm Grenade your speaking of is an impact grenade jackass. Unlike you I can actually explain why, because i've built them. Really I don't want to hear your ignorance anymore, I haven't heard a peap frim this for several weeks and then you come in here starting shit with your 40 mm grenades. Your comparing two weapon systems that don't even function remotely alike.
dbmccart 2 years ago
You claim you can explain why but you don't, you just say it is and spew profanities like a potty mouth child.
I HAVE explained how those weapons are comparable by both form and function, yet you ignore that.
You claim to have "built" them. Do you work for a US defence contractor like AAI or BAE? They are the only people permitted to work on high explosive munitions. But considering how bad your spelling is and your vile language I doubt that. Plus your profile page says you are only 21.
Treblaine 2 years ago
I frankly don't give a fuck what you have to say, because i'm done listening to you. I don't care who the fuck you are or where you come from, because obviously you don't know jack shit. You want to sit here and dictate to me what a damn 40 mm grenade is, I doubt you've even seen one much less understand the mechanics that goes into building one. I've got no disrespect for the 40 mm grenade, but they are not what you claim they are.
dbmccart 2 years ago
I have looked up US army field manuals, reputable sources and done the research. You just can't seem to stand being proven wrong yet seem incapable of anything more than hurling verbal abuse and making baseless claims on top of each other.
Treblaine 2 years ago
Dude that's just it, you looked up. So you don't know what the fuck your talking about. All i see here is wanna be know it all youtuber with no life. Hell no I don't have to explain myself to you, and your manuals can keep you company while you stay a virgin for the rest of your life.
You want to tell me that i'm wrong, because you read something online. Reading something online doesn't give you a degree in shit, so go jack off to your porno in the corer this convo is done.
dbmccart 2 years ago
I'm not going to be distracted by your lame insults, do YOU have a degree on this matter? What put you in a position where you can dismiss official documents from the US military and the other examples I have pointed out?
Learning and knowledge is gained from reading of books and verified online resources can be just as valid.
At least I am not like you, having a tantrum like a frustrated toddler over this trivial disagreement.
Treblaine 2 years ago
Official documents, what documents. You have done no such thing. Yes actually I do have the credentials to make the statements I have. The reason i'm getting pissed off, is because I don't like it when someone waits several weeks to make a comment then after I have moved on then decided to come on and make a lame comment. Now i'm just going to end it with this, the 1 gauge shotgun is 42.42 mm which is larger then your 40 mm grenade.
dbmccart 2 years ago
I haven't waited several weeks, I just happened to 1st read your comment weeks after you posted. But the only 1 gauge "shotguns" I can find are absolutely huge, far too heavy to carry like boat mounted Punt Gun or wheeled cannon.
You said the "most destructive round you can fire from the hip" was a shotgun but the closest thing to a 40mm shotgun is too heavy for even the strongest man to pick up, let alone fire from the hip.
Treblaine 2 years ago
I'm sure there are people who can shoot the 1 guage shotgun from the hip, guns with that guage size were used back in the day when african safaris were really big.
dbmccart 2 years ago
Sorry, but simply saying "I'm sure" is not good enough.
Every 1 gauge shotgun or weapon with similar operating principal I've found has weighed hundreds of pounds and still enough recoil to send it and whatever it is attached to reeling back several feet.
As I'm sure you know the 40mm grenade launcher uses a special low-low pressure system to keep both the weapon's overall weight down plus a low velocity so low recoil.
Treblaine 2 years ago
"I think you forget what the biggest gun you can fire from the hip is. A shotgun."
This was my exact, from the exact post you responded to. That I posted at least two weeks ago, but I know it's been more then that. Now you want to sit here and quote me fore hsit I didn't say, look buddy get your fucking facts straight. I'm not going to deal with someone who wants to quote something I didn''t say. So we're done here, you can go on believing whatever the fuck you want to.
dbmccart 2 years ago
Yes but you also said: "the shotgun fires the largest round most destructive round you can fire from the hip"
which I DIRECTLY responded with how the 40mm Grenade round is more destructive by your own criteria.
Treblaine 2 years ago
Ok yeah I found that comment nvm, but in all technicality am I not right, can you name a gun that fires a bigger round, by definition the Grenade Launcher does not meet the requirements of the definition of the Gun nor does the 40 mm Grenade fit the definition of round.
dbmccart 2 years ago
The largest shotgun you can fire from the shoulder is a 4 bore,I have shot a 4 bore and would not fire it from the hip,I'd break my arm,I only fired the 4 bore once and I had a huge bruise for weeks! The largest shotgun is a punt gun,all these guns come under "wildfowling" guns.dbmcart is such a bullshitter,he's not an engineer,I bet he's a janitor for walmart,if that.I have never read such crap in my life,the 40mm grenade launcher fires a cartridge with a projectile,the shell casing is alloy.
silver760 2 years ago
Now i will agree anti personal that round is not as good as a 40mm grenade but I never made a claim that Shotguns were the most destructive I said they were they largest caliber weapon you could fire from the hip. As far as the 42 mm projectile, somethat big that doesn't fragment would be more useful against a tank.
dbmccart 2 years ago
I can't post links but you can easily find the US Army field manuals for 40m Grenade rounds and various 40mm grenade launchers for yourself. Same with Jane's Small Arms and other resources like globalsecurity.
In WWII they used 40mm cannons with solid shot against tanks it was useless. 40mm rounds like M433 can now penetrate 5 inches of hardened steel armour, easily outperforming even the heaviest 42mm cannon.
Treblaine 2 years ago
Lol nice try but even a 23 mm cannon can penetrate roughly 21 inches of hardened steel. 5 inches isn't saying much for penetration, and definitely not enough to completely disable a tank. You can blow the tread up but the tank can still shoot at you. As far as blowing a tank up that's not going to happen with a grenade, well unless you drop it in the hatch. Now even if i did say "round" your still on some ego trip that this is a round and not a grenade.
dbmccart 2 years ago
23mm Cannon is completely different from your KS-23 shotgun you gave as an example:
#1 it weighs over 100lbs so cannot be fired from the hip
#2 it fires a much heavier depleted uranium bullet at almost 3 times the velocity, the recoil is so large it needs to be bolted to an aircraft, freely held it'd rip your arm off.
So it bears no comparison to 40mm grenade round.
Also source on 23mm cannon penetrating HALF A METER of steel armour! Even A-10 Warthog's 30mm cannon can't penetrate that much!
Treblaine 2 years ago
Ok the Ks-23s 23 mm Shotgun cartraige can penetrate 21 inches maybe a little more. A full 23 mm cartraige should be easily able to do more then that.
dbmccart 2 years ago
The 40 MM grenade does not use the same mechanics as cartridge to launch its projectile, nor does the Grenade Laucher use the same mechanics as a firearm. Round is not a technical term and may be use to refer to many things loosely, but usely pertains to cartraiges.
dbmccart 2 years ago
With all due respect, i'm assuming your not a gun owner or you would have more respect for shotguns. Shotguns have a much further effective range then shown in video games. I own a Saiga 12 and I can tell you i'd take it own and Assualt Rifle any day.
dbmccart 2 years ago
bullshitter
silver760 2 years ago
None of the sources listed would give you irrefutable information, about the topic at hand. Now after yu quoting that, i'm done talking to you. I've asked you several times to put this to rest, and you've still continued. So if I get another comment in my email from you, i'm reporting you to youtube. I'm giving you the option to stop now, and i've made myself very clear I don't want to talk to someone whoes priorities are as fucked up as yours. Feel lucky I don't sue your ass for misquoting me.
dbmccart 2 years ago