At present, there are no confirmed wolves in the adks, and there are about 8 million uneducated sightings and 2 confirmed cases per 7 years (average). I'm qualified because I've been to their habitat. I've studied their populations all over north america alongside experts. I can identify them and I know their habits. I've been in pens with them in rehab facilities, and in the wild with them, tracking them in yellowstone and mauricie park.
So you did get the joke congratulations.Now back too the real stuff,so since your a camera man that makes you an expert on wolves.Im not claiming too be 1,but again i did see 1 last summer.It was about 10 wovles in 10 years.And they occupied the Adirondacks before so how are the Adirondacks not a wolf habitat?Remember they were hunted into extinction they didnt just die off.Again id like too know what makes you such an expert,i didnt know holding a camer(and im not down grading your profession)
No, Genius, I didn't get your email. Probably because I don't take kindly to being called a moron, and also I don't deal with people who cant spell. Or do research. "Although hybrids are typically less fit than straight species, the story of coywolves in the Northeast might be one of success. Their strong jaws will enable them to eat the deer that are abundant in the area, while the coyote-like ability to coexist with humans could be an advantage that wolves lack." -1-->
One author of the study, Dr. Roland Kays, said (in response to an e-mail), that coywolves are larger than coyotes, reaching up to 50 lbs:
Animals often look larger than they really are when you see them in an excited short moment in the woods. … We do have a few records of full-on large wolves, a combination of escaped pets and vagrants from Canada that migrate down. However, our study shows no record that these very-large animals are breeding in NY.
In other words, your article talks about known wolves. Is it 3 or 5 wolves, I forgot because it wasnt a group or a pack, it was over a period of tens of YEARS that a few wolves were seen. Probably running down from canada, or vemonts NE kingdom, NH, or Maine. There are barely any wolves in the NE USA, but you want them to die horribly after living uncomfortably in the Adk's? I dont know why you want that so bad. There's not enough room for them!
@cameraperson Wasnt it you that said they couldnt run down from canada because theres no way they could cross the st lawrence river???Yes you did say that and now your back tracking and stating that they did cross.Hmmmmmm i smell b.s. coming from you.And i didnt say i wanted them too die,and how are the adirondacks not big enough???Its the biggest state park in the country,and wolves have already lived there over 100 years ago so they are big enough and theres plenty of food.Again you fail!!!!!
@dougiefreshny An occasional inmate will break out of Dannemora. So, occasionally, a wolf will swim across in the summer, generally where the St Law is skinnier near Quebec City. Wow, you got me. I'm a liar and you're a good speller.
If you want wolves reintroduced to the ADKs, then you want them to die. Look at the size of La Mauricie PP, and compare it to the ADKs. Mauricie has 1 small pack. The adks would kill them on roads and by hunters.
You're smart enough to compare land sizes right? Compare Jaques-Cartier, Tremblant and Mauricie parks with the adks- and keep in mind the adks have 3 major hwys, 120 mile long lake champlain, and theSt Law. Whereas the canadian parks are open on 3 sides to even more VAST wilderness. Real canadian bush VS some minor wilderness. It's hard to accept, but the adks are only wild for a small distance across, even in the southern tier. And ADKs are part private AND public.
@cameraperson No i spelled your because your shows possession,as in your possess alot of stupidity.Allow me too apologize for my phone being screwy which led too the miss spelled word.Your the dumb 1 trying too tell me that i didnt see a wolf at Pharaoh Lake,were you there???Noooooooooo,so that means you dont know what i saw,and if you did some research youd know that there have been wolves killed in the Adirondacks within the last 10 years that were wild,not coy /wolf mix either.You fail!!!!
This last post has to be a joke. "your shows possession" "which led too the miss spelled word.Your the dumb" "allow me too apologize" Now, this amount of horrible misspellings has to be a hilarious joke- I get it!! That's FUNNY, man. Superb!!!
But, a couple wolves in a ten year period does not make the adks a wolf habitat.
It was no dog or coy dog i know what they look like and this was no "human area"its was about 4 miles into the woods.I saw it and its was definatley a wolf.Coy dogs arnt as big as this thing was and it wasnt a huskie.
Today, the E. timber wolf is found only in Mn, Ws, and Michgn, 3 percent of its original US range. We know of only 1 museum specimen of a wolf taken from NY State. There's no breeding population of wolves in NY, no reason to assume they cross the wide St Lawrence and highways to live in an area that has little food for them, and no pack. If you have a photo or evidence, that would be in your favor. You're more likely to see a Rhino or a Giraffe.
@cameraperson Listen im not going too argue with you i saw what i saw and there were 4 other people that saw the same thing.There have been sightings of wolfs in the adirondacks and all the sightings people said they were big and grey and thats what i saw.Im no expert and i doubt you are too.And no food?? Really,because i spend alot of time in the adirondacks,hiking,fishing,4wheeling,ect and ive seen plenty of deer so there definatley food.And wolfs dont hang in big packs they stay in small pack
I have a fairly deep education on wolves and I've spent much of my life in the woods. I've spent time in wolf rehab facilities, with DEC, Parks Canada, and traveled from Ottawa to Quebec City, from Maine to Albany to understand the wolf issue. I've radio-tracked wolves in Canada with experts who independently say the same thing- no wolves in NY. Unless you saw one that got away from a zoo, you didnt see what you believe you saw. It's just not a wolf if you saw it in NY.
@cameraperson Have you ever heard that expression if it looks like a duck sounds like a duck then its a duck.Since your so smart then tell me what i saw that looks just like a wolf.The adirondacks are very deep so if you think that all the wolves have been hunted into extinction id have too say i disagree.How do you or d.e.c. know that all the wolves in ny are gone?.Theres no way too know for sure.Like i said i saw it.I know what coydogs look like this was no coydog
If you have evidence, then I'll agree with you. But, there are no photos, no scat, no hairs, no packs being recorded, no kills with wolf dna, no radio tagged wolves, no carcasses-- no evidence to even remotely suggest they exist in ny state unless they escape from Parc Safari or a wolf rehab site. You admit it was night. If it looks like a wolf, and you didnt hear it - it could be a coy, coywolf, a dog (many folks are breeding wolf lookalikes) or your imaginations. -->
@cameraperson --> And the Adirondacks are not large. I've crossed the wild areas in a few days on foot with a large pack on my back. Wolves need hundreds of K's, not tens of K's. They are "apex predators", and the largest area used by a pack was over 6000km squared. That's huge, but most use a thousand square K's (600 square miles more or less). What's the largest wild area in the adks? West Canada Lakes at 150k acres? How large is 5 ponds? And the High Peaks are foodless for them.
@dougiefreshny The adirondacks are huge do you really think that everyone of them has been hunted into extinction?Theres no way but i m sure the population has been hit bad but not wiped out.And i couldnt take a pic it was 11 at night.Ill level with ya and say it might have been a mix with a coy and a wolf because those do exist in the dacks but this thing was no doubt a wolf the size the shape and the color could not be mistaken
No, it's not that they have been hunted into extinction, it's that the adks are not large enough for a single pack! Look at La Mauricie PP. It's huge and without bounding highways or rivers and they can barely sustain a pack and a few stragglers. Study the wolf's needs and you'll understand why they dont exist here and that you didnt see a wolf.
I have a photo of a catamount at lake ozonia in the dark that I took with a flash. I'll send you the public link if you like.
I saw a wolf in the adirondacks last year when me and my cousin were wheelin in his truck.....It was pretty crazy because where we were wheelin at there were people in tents so we thought at 1st that it was someones dog that was loose but the thing stopped in the middle of the trail and looked right at the truck then ran into the woods.It was pretty big too
Unless you have photographic proof, it's not possible to believe that it was a wolf. Have you ever compared wolves vs coyotes or other look-alikes? It's just hard to believe that a wolf approached human areas and you had time to positively identify it. Some people have jobs studying wolves and never see them, and even in La Mauricie PP they have had just 2 or 3 true wolf encounters- and they actually have wolf populations.
There's no proof of any permanent wolf habitation in the ADKs. There's not enough land, and the barriers are being increased such as ice breaking the St Lawrence and highways running between the ADKs and Vermont- and they dont cross lake champlain. There may be a few wolves here and there- mostly people mistake dogs and coy dogs for wolves. I shot a photo of a Mtn Lion- but it was scrawny and probably escaped someone's illegal pen.
Do you have any idea what youre talking about? First, "science" is a method. Second, faith is belief that lacks evidence. And a theory isnt some fly-by-night observation, it's an unprovable but falsifiable model of reality based on inductive logic and backed by multiple dimensions of positive observation.
The result is a systematic that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about which you are encouraged to find flaws and errors.
@cameraperson - science has many times said one thing and then changed it when "new evidence" surfaces. I can also easily observe that gravity is not something that happened by accident. Their is a purpose for gravity... it was not just a jumbled mass of molecules that decided to make a type of pull in objects. To believe something like gravity happened as a result of molecules deciding to order themselves a particular way or that it happened by "accident" requires a LOT of faith.
How many times has "religion" changed it's mind? It dosnt, because it's based on make believe and faith. In science, you take the best info, throw out the worst info, and you repeat this. Even if your previous info was nearly perfect, and it's found to be wrong- then you immediately throw it out. It's a method, not a religion. If you dont understand the difference, I can help you get it. btw, gravity has no "purpose." that's nonsense.
@cameraperson - if gravity has no purpose... then how does that fit into scientific theory of the universe??? why are we not all floating around in the air?? Religion's are based on evidence also. And you say that science only goes on information and if one is proven wrong you throw out that info??? Well it took faith to believe that the first information was correct based on the perception from the evidence. It's all semantics... but this video has nothing to do with it... so I digress.
@Amidat Gravity is just an expression of a property in space-time as we know it. You dont have any idea what you're talking about. Religious "evidence" is based on stories and nonsense. Does a rock have a purpose? Does an asteroid have a purpose? ?? If you think gravity has a "purpose," then you're flat wrong and I can not continue talking to you.
@cameraperson - rocks do have a purpose. Rocks have minerals that you yourself have in your body and need from the food you eat. It's part of creation and shows how everything was created to work together. You don't understand that though because you BELIEVE that everything happened by accident. Gravity is an "expression of a property in space-time"?? If you BELIEVE gravity just "happened" as well then that's pretty sad. I guess the blood in our brains just learned to "adapt" to it??
Since gravity exists, it's pretty hard to "believe in it." It exists, unlike your god which you admit is not proven or disproved. Religion is a sickness. Our brains are trained to make sense of things that are hard to understand- and when cavemen and cavewomen saw lightning and were scared by thunder, they probably imagined a large being. The early farmers probably looked for a cause when their crop died and their neighbors crop survived. They pretended it was god --->
@cameraperson ---> because they wanted an explanation. And now you think you're different because we're technologically advanced or something? You dont understand the world so you grab the first possible explanation you are offered. The idea that there was literally NOTHING and then NOTHING formed itself into a being and THAT being made the universe, and us- then the being decided our behavior was improper (even tho IT made behaviors) and it went mad and punished us? AH HAH HAH H A HAaa!
@cameraperson aaah ah hah ha haa that's so ludicris and based on NOTHING. You can pretend anything you want, man. That makes you a crazy person. You should get that checked out.
Prove your god exists or let's agree to move on without all these shenanigans.
@cameraperson - you waking up every morning proves there is a God. Your soul being different than mine proves there is a God. All those animals you look at in nature are another testimony. Things like the theory of relativity only prove the how... not the why. Many scientists realize there is an order - that was not just by accident. And I do know some science and have relatives in my family who studied engineering and medicine among other things... and they sure believe in God as well.
When I wake up it proves god? So, when I do not wake up someday, will that prove there's NO god? Ha ha that's so stupid!! You have no soul, I have no soul- unless you can prove we do? If I cut off my hand, would my "soul" lose it's ghostly hand?? Duh. That's nonsense and you know it. The universe may have "an order" but it's not attributed to any being. If you have proof of this "being" then show us. We're all waiting. -->
@cameraperson ---> And I feel bad for your relatives who pretend to be scientists. A real scientist takes the bad info and discards it immediately. Why would we give religious nonsense any credibility? There's no proof. There's no data. If there was, I'd believe IMMEDIATELY. If a blind person doubted the existence of the moon, we could prove it using tides, lasers, or we could go there. DO THIS FOR YOUR GOD!! If you cant, then you're wasting our time. It's just nonsense and you know it.
You clearly have no idea what a "scientific theory" is. It's not like "hey I have a theory about jelly donuts." A theory is a massive pile of facts verified by many independent folks, churned into a working and predictive model of the world. Each time it's applied, of course, it could be negated. But the "theory" of relativity isnt just silly nonsense. These scientific theories are serious predictive models- go look it up.
There may be a few stragglers or a loose pack or 2, but the howling you hear is not Wolves. They cant survive in the park because Wolves in our area migrated to Canada when the St Lawrence River was allowed to freeze, now that iceabreakers keep it open for shipping, the NE is just too crowded to keep native wolves happy in our seemingly large area.
interesting theory............ but you dont think there is ample population of game in a six million acre wilderness to sustain a pack of wolves? not to mention, I would imagine there are some corridor's of terriroty that bridge the Adirondacks and the Catskills........ the Adirondacks are twice the size of Yellowstone
btw...... my statement is based on visual evidence, as opposed to any vocalizations I've heard
Lots of people "see wolves" but no pictures? Maybe u saw one, or a dog or coyote. I've talked to Adk "wolf rehabs" who take in "used pets" or injured wolves- jailbreaks occur cuz wolves are smart.
We may be larger than YStone, but we have a growing human pop. and natural historic territory is now cut in half.
2002 saw the first proven Wolf kill, the 1st proof in 100yrs. Scientists say its possbl the wolf came from Canada,but much hunting&traps near Algonquin Prk make that trip treacherous.
AND we have people living all thru our park, Ystone dosnt, and Montana, Wyoming and up to Canada is HUGE. If you havent been there, go check it out. I did it on a bicycle, and it seemed even bigger!
@cameraperson - I personally think mountain lions are back naturally in NY. Wolves may have a harder time because they live in packs... but I think it's possible... don't underestimate them.
There is a small population of mountain lions in the ADKs, and I have a photo of one near St Regis Falls. Wolves need hundreds of uninterrupted miles, and the ADKs just dont support that anymore because the ice lanes are kept open and wolves cant cross the St Lawrence, and to the east we have lots of highways, lakes and population centers. Wolves arent going near those. In fact, there are barely any wolves in provincial parks between Montreal and Quebec City --->
@cameraperson ---> in fact, on Parks Canada's website, "One of the two packs that had frequented the park for many years disappeared between '88 and '93. The presence of the wolf has become increasingly sporadic in the park, so much so that we can no longer affirm that it adequately fulfills its ecological role." And "The territory used by the wolfpacks greatly exceeds the boundaries of the park. Only one pack uses the park year round, with 74% of its territory within the park’s boundaries."
@cameraperson - ok I don't live in the ADK.. I'm not disputing any of the facts you stated. But there are many who say that mountain lions wouldn't return to the ADK or don't even exist either. According to the government they aren't there. And that's my point. Never say never. If coyotes and falcons and wild turkey populate NYC - then I would never say a predator wouldn't return to the ADK. Even Badgers have moved back to the Bronx River naturally and ppl said "no way it would happen".
So Qbs point is that if you put wolves in an area, it will save your water? Another misguided soil scientist getting a government check and not having to work for it. Their is no logical argument for putting wolves close to population centers. So, the fact remains. As the saying goes, if you can't win the argument, then make something up......
Fact is, I am not totally against having wolves around. Why? Because even if we could wage a war on them, we could never get them all due to the fact that poisons and such cannot be used anymore. CONTROL them, let people shootem. Hell, look what we did with game herds and license fees. Never more game in Montana than now, because of Hunters license dollars. I know that pisses the antis off, but its true. Sell wolf licenses, use the money to copensate ranchers, etc.
The problem is that wolves should be where they want to be, and a long time ago, people invaded the northeast of NY. Reintroduction is foolish because you are trying to force them back, and they cant get across the St Lawerence River because it's kept open by icebreakers all winter.
But I'm not sure shooting anything works. If I found out someone was poaching, I would turn that info to a lot of powerful people, so please, everyone, let me know.
Why do we want them back? Because not everybody's livelihood is cattle and being a rancher. Having increased biodiversity in the adirondacks and preserving its wild nature is the livelihood for the residents of the adirondack park you ignorant pile. Cows dont make the world go around. Do you know how many cattle ranches there are in the Adirondack Park? If you did you wouldn't even attempts a response to this.
What about those people whose livihood it is? Who made you the judge? Increased biodiversity? Hell, you might as well bring in lions from Africa, Tigers from India, god man. Do you understand economics? Do you think your damm wolves will stay in the park? Nope. Bad idea, VERY BAD IDEA.
Yeah my point is that there are not cattle ranches in the adirondack park but i guess you wouldnt know that. Increasing historical biodiversity is a very good thing. And obviously you arent up on your ecology or economics because the Edge Effect ensures that wolves would indeed stay within the area they are reintroduced in. Fact is more people would visit the park to see wolves than the economic damage they would cause. You worry about your montana and us Adirondackers will deal with our adk's
sorry, man, but thats a lie. Wolves WILL NOT stay in the area. That has been prooved over and over with the reintroduction of wolves in the west. Some of those wolves traveled 500 miles. 500 miles in your country is about, what? 5 states? As far as more people in your park, do you want more? In YNP they said the same thing. BUT just as many people visitied the park before as after, just more wolf watchers. The won't tell you that.
@BIGSKYHAL50 - and just the same as they travel all that distance out went... I wouldn't be suprised if they came back to NY - Maine and Vermont from Canada.
Do you know much about wolves? They dont just need some food and water... they need a thousand miles of particular hunting range and forest. In canada, where they have the range and forests, the human activities are enough to disturb them and the wolves move away, or die off.
@cameraperson - never say never.... I know they need large ranges... but never underestimate how an animal can adapt... much stranger things have happened. If they weren't shot and trapped relentlessly - I don't think they would have died off - even with development.
the other point, keeping my nose out of your business. We would not have wolves here if it were not for people like you pushing them on us. 90% of the people in this area directly affected by the wolves did not want them, but they were put here by people like you. Now, after the destruction, its 100%. Heck, people even want to succeed from the union over this issue. Regardless of what you read, it would be a major disaster to put wolves back east, like an atomic bomb......
This is why public education is important in reintruction areas. Ecologically the 1995 reintroduction of wolves into Yellowstone was a sucess but because of the lack of eductation among the public only those who understand the significance of this step can see the benefits. If you truley understand every facet of wolves im sure you would be willing to remind me how the reintroduction of wolves ( a top predator ) can have a significant positive impact on the cost of your drinking water.
and as far as pushing them on you? I would not be arguing for their reintroduction if they were simply not fit enough to survive in these ranges however the reason for their 70 year absence was because of HUMANS. We have a responsibility to our land, ourselves and future generations and thinking of people like yourself is what makes it more difficult to preserve for the future. Yes I said difficult not impossible. So go ahead and be ignorant. We will continue to press on for what is right.
and for the record.."people like me" are the people that deliver you're clean drinking water and ensure that your home isn't built on expansive smectite soils, and people like me ensure that the food you consume is safe and the way you raise livestock is responsible. People like me are the reason your septic system flows at a proper velocity even in silty soils so as to not contaminate the well you use for livestock. Yes, clearly "people like me" are the problem here.
Bah, Bah, another mute point. While you are at it, you should put african lions, tigers, and maybe a few polar bears down there to. It has not worked in Montana, Wyoming, or Idaho, much less the southwest. It won't work where you are at either. Same ol, Same ol........
Ha Ha, thats a good one. The wolves will clear up the drinking water problem. How? Well, I think if you have a herbivore problem you could certainly let people take care of that....without the loss of domestic livestock, dogs, cats, and game populations. Ecologically it has yet to be seen if the wolves in YNP are helping...sure, less elk, what happens if they completely destory the moose and bighorn sheep population before they kill the last elk?
Speaking as someone who has lived in AK and NYC for extensive periods of time, I might have some insight into the way you guys feel. Big Sky Hal is having a "never miss your water till its gone" moment. It is hard to appreciate the wild when its surrounding you. But Qbynordi may also be guilty of forgetting that we have been at battle with wolves since before we walked on two legs. It may not be easy to live with them again. I think you should both stay at the others houses for a month
Few people think the wolves will stay around because few people understand how wolves operate.
Many people think the idea of increased biodiversity is good no matter what, or they just love them like they love Loons or Bears or wildlife in general.
I would prefer the wolves be allowed to live free but its not possible with human population increasing into their habitat, ice kept open in the winter on the st law river, and all the other pressure on their lives.
People that take it upon themselves to covertly release animals into areas where they do not belong should be prosecuted to the fullest extent.
For example, the mountain lions roaming New York's southern tier. The locals aren't happy about it and it does'nt matter if they are protected, people will simply practice shoot, shovel and shut up.
Wouldn't it be nice if those responsible be held accountable. If the wolves strave-animal cruelty charges. Bring in immigrants - legal or illegal - be responsible for their safety, health, education etc. Introduce plants that are invasive and destructive - you pay. Persoanal responsibility. Humm what an old concept.
wolves are bad news, period. Its to bad that people who are going to be uneffected by the wolves are pushing to have them reintroduced. I think they should be held liable for doing this insanity.
Move the wolves to their backyards in the Big Cities, were most of the enviro-whacko's live! Yeah, that would be great wouldn't it! I heard of a few trappers getting together putting out a dozen foot holds each and for 3 days run their line.When they get a few then take them to Detroit,Chicago,Twin Cities and let them go.Can't wait for this.Chasing THEIR kids at the bus stop for a change would be nice!No doubt about it! LOL
What exactly is insane about reintroducing wolves. They belong there. AND there is not ONE recorded human death by a wolf attack in the entire continent of North America. It has never happened and never will. So why are they bad news???
It is obvious that you have no clue as to what wolves do to domestic cattle, sheep, horses, dogs, etc. Sorry, but we even had one guy attacked by a wild wolf this spring in Montana. THEY DO NOT BELONG HERE! Say what you will, but we live here now, and we don't want wolves.
Yeah they may get a few here and there but there'll be programs set up to reimburse for any losses. And I'm positive that they aren't as bad as you think. Ever hear of L. David Mech. He is THE wolf expert. And to be honest the coyotes do more damage than the wolves would ever do. And if you want to ban soemthing ban domestic dogs. They kill WAY more people than wolves ever have or will and are a much bigger danger to humans. Smarten up and do some real research. Oh and wheres your degree from?
I have found that most of the "wolf experts" are the guys who raise them in their backyards (must really agitate their neighbors) or definitely have a prowolf attidtude. Coyotes cannot pull down a full grown cow, or a calf two weeks old. Wolves can and do. What does a degree have to do with wolves slaughtering cattle? You need to talk to a few ranchers, people whos lives depend upon cattle, sheep, horses, etc.
Like I said programs can be put in place to reimburse for any losses. Wolves aren't going to clean out a hole field of livestock. So out goes that argument. And if you just take a couple minute L. David Mech is not just a wolf expert he is one of the leading wolf experts not only in the US but in the entire world. Take a few and look into some of his stuff. Theres plenty of ways to make it work so were all happy. These ignorant ranchers just need to be a little less thickheaded.
Obviously, Mr. Mechs livihood is not threatened by wolves. In fact, I am sure he is making good money by selling his ideas on wolves to people like you. I know more than a few of those "ignorant ranchers" as you call them. Almost all have college educations, but more importantly, they have common sense. If this Mech cared a little more about people, he would not be pushing wolves down their throats.
Mech is completely unbiased and I'm pretty sure he cares a great deal not only about the wolves but all those affected by any action taken regarding wolves. I have yet to pay for any of his material thanks to this hip new gadget called a library. Find one and do a little research. He knows his stuff better than anyone and he knows both sides of it.
Can't say he is unbiased if his property is being destroyed by wolves. Your "new material" means nothing. Wolves kill cattle, period. Get rid of the wolves, end of problem.
Like I said. Just take a look into Mech and his research. He's been doing this stuff since the 60's/70's right up to today. And PEOPLE not wolves are the problem. People just love thinking that they are more important than everything else and have every right to destroy any and all ecosystems and habitats. In the grand scheme of things a few ranchers "livelihoods" are expendable if it means restoring the natural ecosystem. The environment is more important than anything and everything.
hey, I know people who have lost stock, and its a real pain to try to get reimbursed for cattle. In our area, there is no reimburement for sheep. Buddy, I have more than a few degrees, but what does that matter? You think a guy with a degree is going to stop wolves from eating peoples livihoods? Your "research" you read about is bias. Talk to someone who has to deal with wolves on a day to day basis. Compeltely different story.
Did the wolf bite? Reintro of any animal is stupid. They come back as the food is available. Wolves are in Vermont already. See Shay Vermont to see how much VT legislators give a damned for VTers.
Make it safe for the wolves to come back... get rid of the motorcyclists who come tearing through in the spring and wake me up at all hours during the warm months
@dougiefreshny
At present, there are no confirmed wolves in the adks, and there are about 8 million uneducated sightings and 2 confirmed cases per 7 years (average). I'm qualified because I've been to their habitat. I've studied their populations all over north america alongside experts. I can identify them and I know their habits. I've been in pens with them in rehab facilities, and in the wild with them, tracking them in yellowstone and mauricie park.
The end.
cameraperson 4 months ago
So you did get the joke congratulations.Now back too the real stuff,so since your a camera man that makes you an expert on wolves.Im not claiming too be 1,but again i did see 1 last summer.It was about 10 wovles in 10 years.And they occupied the Adirondacks before so how are the Adirondacks not a wolf habitat?Remember they were hunted into extinction they didnt just die off.Again id like too know what makes you such an expert,i didnt know holding a camer(and im not down grading your profession)
dougiefreshny 4 months ago
@dougiefreshny
No, Genius, I didn't get your email. Probably because I don't take kindly to being called a moron, and also I don't deal with people who cant spell. Or do research. "Although hybrids are typically less fit than straight species, the story of coywolves in the Northeast might be one of success. Their strong jaws will enable them to eat the deer that are abundant in the area, while the coyote-like ability to coexist with humans could be an advantage that wolves lack." -1-->
cameraperson 4 months ago
@cameraperson --1->
One author of the study, Dr. Roland Kays, said (in response to an e-mail), that coywolves are larger than coyotes, reaching up to 50 lbs:
Animals often look larger than they really are when you see them in an excited short moment in the woods. … We do have a few records of full-on large wolves, a combination of escaped pets and vagrants from Canada that migrate down. However, our study shows no record that these very-large animals are breeding in NY.
cameraperson 4 months ago
@cameraperson
In other words, your article talks about known wolves. Is it 3 or 5 wolves, I forgot because it wasnt a group or a pack, it was over a period of tens of YEARS that a few wolves were seen. Probably running down from canada, or vemonts NE kingdom, NH, or Maine. There are barely any wolves in the NE USA, but you want them to die horribly after living uncomfortably in the Adk's? I dont know why you want that so bad. There's not enough room for them!
cameraperson 4 months ago
@cameraperson Wasnt it you that said they couldnt run down from canada because theres no way they could cross the st lawrence river???Yes you did say that and now your back tracking and stating that they did cross.Hmmmmmm i smell b.s. coming from you.And i didnt say i wanted them too die,and how are the adirondacks not big enough???Its the biggest state park in the country,and wolves have already lived there over 100 years ago so they are big enough and theres plenty of food.Again you fail!!!!!
dougiefreshny 4 months ago
@dougiefreshny An occasional inmate will break out of Dannemora. So, occasionally, a wolf will swim across in the summer, generally where the St Law is skinnier near Quebec City. Wow, you got me. I'm a liar and you're a good speller.
If you want wolves reintroduced to the ADKs, then you want them to die. Look at the size of La Mauricie PP, and compare it to the ADKs. Mauricie has 1 small pack. The adks would kill them on roads and by hunters.
cameraperson 4 months ago
@dougiefreshny
You're smart enough to compare land sizes right? Compare Jaques-Cartier, Tremblant and Mauricie parks with the adks- and keep in mind the adks have 3 major hwys, 120 mile long lake champlain, and theSt Law. Whereas the canadian parks are open on 3 sides to even more VAST wilderness. Real canadian bush VS some minor wilderness. It's hard to accept, but the adks are only wild for a small distance across, even in the southern tier. And ADKs are part private AND public.
cameraperson 4 months ago
@cameraperson Theres been wolves found in the adirondacks smarty pants,they are coming back.Check your email
dougiefreshny 4 months ago
@dougiefreshny
You meant "you're" - it's a contraction of the words YOU and ARE. As in YOU ARE DUMB. You're dumb.
See. Now you're smarter.
cameraperson 4 months ago
@cameraperson No i spelled your because your shows possession,as in your possess alot of stupidity.Allow me too apologize for my phone being screwy which led too the miss spelled word.Your the dumb 1 trying too tell me that i didnt see a wolf at Pharaoh Lake,were you there???Noooooooooo,so that means you dont know what i saw,and if you did some research youd know that there have been wolves killed in the Adirondacks within the last 10 years that were wild,not coy /wolf mix either.You fail!!!!
dougiefreshny 4 months ago
@dougiefreshny
This last post has to be a joke. "your shows possession" "which led too the miss spelled word.Your the dumb" "allow me too apologize" Now, this amount of horrible misspellings has to be a hilarious joke- I get it!! That's FUNNY, man. Superb!!!
But, a couple wolves in a ten year period does not make the adks a wolf habitat.
Learn to spell. Then come back.
cameraperson 4 months ago
It was no dog or coy dog i know what they look like and this was no "human area"its was about 4 miles into the woods.I saw it and its was definatley a wolf.Coy dogs arnt as big as this thing was and it wasnt a huskie.
dougiefreshny 7 months ago
@dougiefreshny
Today, the E. timber wolf is found only in Mn, Ws, and Michgn, 3 percent of its original US range. We know of only 1 museum specimen of a wolf taken from NY State. There's no breeding population of wolves in NY, no reason to assume they cross the wide St Lawrence and highways to live in an area that has little food for them, and no pack. If you have a photo or evidence, that would be in your favor. You're more likely to see a Rhino or a Giraffe.
cameraperson 7 months ago
@cameraperson Listen im not going too argue with you i saw what i saw and there were 4 other people that saw the same thing.There have been sightings of wolfs in the adirondacks and all the sightings people said they were big and grey and thats what i saw.Im no expert and i doubt you are too.And no food?? Really,because i spend alot of time in the adirondacks,hiking,fishing,4wheeling,ect and ive seen plenty of deer so there definatley food.And wolfs dont hang in big packs they stay in small pack
dougiefreshny 7 months ago
@dougiefreshny
I have a fairly deep education on wolves and I've spent much of my life in the woods. I've spent time in wolf rehab facilities, with DEC, Parks Canada, and traveled from Ottawa to Quebec City, from Maine to Albany to understand the wolf issue. I've radio-tracked wolves in Canada with experts who independently say the same thing- no wolves in NY. Unless you saw one that got away from a zoo, you didnt see what you believe you saw. It's just not a wolf if you saw it in NY.
cameraperson 7 months ago
@cameraperson Have you ever heard that expression if it looks like a duck sounds like a duck then its a duck.Since your so smart then tell me what i saw that looks just like a wolf.The adirondacks are very deep so if you think that all the wolves have been hunted into extinction id have too say i disagree.How do you or d.e.c. know that all the wolves in ny are gone?.Theres no way too know for sure.Like i said i saw it.I know what coydogs look like this was no coydog
dougiefreshny 7 months ago
@dougiefreshny
If you have evidence, then I'll agree with you. But, there are no photos, no scat, no hairs, no packs being recorded, no kills with wolf dna, no radio tagged wolves, no carcasses-- no evidence to even remotely suggest they exist in ny state unless they escape from Parc Safari or a wolf rehab site. You admit it was night. If it looks like a wolf, and you didnt hear it - it could be a coy, coywolf, a dog (many folks are breeding wolf lookalikes) or your imaginations. -->
cameraperson 7 months ago
@cameraperson --> And the Adirondacks are not large. I've crossed the wild areas in a few days on foot with a large pack on my back. Wolves need hundreds of K's, not tens of K's. They are "apex predators", and the largest area used by a pack was over 6000km squared. That's huge, but most use a thousand square K's (600 square miles more or less). What's the largest wild area in the adks? West Canada Lakes at 150k acres? How large is 5 ponds? And the High Peaks are foodless for them.
cameraperson 7 months ago
@dougiefreshny The adirondacks are huge do you really think that everyone of them has been hunted into extinction?Theres no way but i m sure the population has been hit bad but not wiped out.And i couldnt take a pic it was 11 at night.Ill level with ya and say it might have been a mix with a coy and a wolf because those do exist in the dacks but this thing was no doubt a wolf the size the shape and the color could not be mistaken
dougiefreshny 7 months ago
@dougiefreshny
No, it's not that they have been hunted into extinction, it's that the adks are not large enough for a single pack! Look at La Mauricie PP. It's huge and without bounding highways or rivers and they can barely sustain a pack and a few stragglers. Study the wolf's needs and you'll understand why they dont exist here and that you didnt see a wolf.
I have a photo of a catamount at lake ozonia in the dark that I took with a flash. I'll send you the public link if you like.
cameraperson 7 months ago
I saw a wolf in the adirondacks last year when me and my cousin were wheelin in his truck.....It was pretty crazy because where we were wheelin at there were people in tents so we thought at 1st that it was someones dog that was loose but the thing stopped in the middle of the trail and looked right at the truck then ran into the woods.It was pretty big too
dougiefreshny 7 months ago
@dougiefreshny
Unless you have photographic proof, it's not possible to believe that it was a wolf. Have you ever compared wolves vs coyotes or other look-alikes? It's just hard to believe that a wolf approached human areas and you had time to positively identify it. Some people have jobs studying wolves and never see them, and even in La Mauricie PP they have had just 2 or 3 true wolf encounters- and they actually have wolf populations.
It was a coy dog, or a dog.
cameraperson 7 months ago
@dougiefreshny
Show a photo or DNA or scat or something of the wolf, and I'll believe you.
cameraperson 7 months ago
They're already there, ECON doesn't want to admit it but wolves and mountain lions have already been sighted in the ADK Mts multiple times
bnsaints 9 months ago
@bnsaints
There's no proof of any permanent wolf habitation in the ADKs. There's not enough land, and the barriers are being increased such as ice breaking the St Lawrence and highways running between the ADKs and Vermont- and they dont cross lake champlain. There may be a few wolves here and there- mostly people mistake dogs and coy dogs for wolves. I shot a photo of a Mtn Lion- but it was scrawny and probably escaped someone's illegal pen.
Show proof of the wolves!
cameraperson 9 months ago
the environmentalists are really just embracing a religion. They're dirt-worshipers. You cannot reason with them because it's a religion.
thoumaturgica 1 year ago
@thoumaturgica
I agree. all religion should be destroyed and we should start fresh with science!
cameraperson 1 year ago
@cameraperson - science is a religion... it takes faith to believe in some of the theories.
Amidat 8 months ago
@Amidat
Do you have any idea what youre talking about? First, "science" is a method. Second, faith is belief that lacks evidence. And a theory isnt some fly-by-night observation, it's an unprovable but falsifiable model of reality based on inductive logic and backed by multiple dimensions of positive observation.
The result is a systematic that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about which you are encouraged to find flaws and errors.
cameraperson 8 months ago
@cameraperson - science has many times said one thing and then changed it when "new evidence" surfaces. I can also easily observe that gravity is not something that happened by accident. Their is a purpose for gravity... it was not just a jumbled mass of molecules that decided to make a type of pull in objects. To believe something like gravity happened as a result of molecules deciding to order themselves a particular way or that it happened by "accident" requires a LOT of faith.
Amidat 8 months ago
@Amidat
How many times has "religion" changed it's mind? It dosnt, because it's based on make believe and faith. In science, you take the best info, throw out the worst info, and you repeat this. Even if your previous info was nearly perfect, and it's found to be wrong- then you immediately throw it out. It's a method, not a religion. If you dont understand the difference, I can help you get it. btw, gravity has no "purpose." that's nonsense.
cameraperson 7 months ago
@cameraperson - if gravity has no purpose... then how does that fit into scientific theory of the universe??? why are we not all floating around in the air?? Religion's are based on evidence also. And you say that science only goes on information and if one is proven wrong you throw out that info??? Well it took faith to believe that the first information was correct based on the perception from the evidence. It's all semantics... but this video has nothing to do with it... so I digress.
Amidat 7 months ago
@Amidat Gravity is just an expression of a property in space-time as we know it. You dont have any idea what you're talking about. Religious "evidence" is based on stories and nonsense. Does a rock have a purpose? Does an asteroid have a purpose? ?? If you think gravity has a "purpose," then you're flat wrong and I can not continue talking to you.
cameraperson 7 months ago
@cameraperson - rocks do have a purpose. Rocks have minerals that you yourself have in your body and need from the food you eat. It's part of creation and shows how everything was created to work together. You don't understand that though because you BELIEVE that everything happened by accident. Gravity is an "expression of a property in space-time"?? If you BELIEVE gravity just "happened" as well then that's pretty sad. I guess the blood in our brains just learned to "adapt" to it??
Amidat 7 months ago
@Amidat
Since gravity exists, it's pretty hard to "believe in it." It exists, unlike your god which you admit is not proven or disproved. Religion is a sickness. Our brains are trained to make sense of things that are hard to understand- and when cavemen and cavewomen saw lightning and were scared by thunder, they probably imagined a large being. The early farmers probably looked for a cause when their crop died and their neighbors crop survived. They pretended it was god --->
cameraperson 7 months ago
@cameraperson ---> because they wanted an explanation. And now you think you're different because we're technologically advanced or something? You dont understand the world so you grab the first possible explanation you are offered. The idea that there was literally NOTHING and then NOTHING formed itself into a being and THAT being made the universe, and us- then the being decided our behavior was improper (even tho IT made behaviors) and it went mad and punished us? AH HAH HAH H A HAaa!
cameraperson 7 months ago
@cameraperson aaah ah hah ha haa that's so ludicris and based on NOTHING. You can pretend anything you want, man. That makes you a crazy person. You should get that checked out.
Prove your god exists or let's agree to move on without all these shenanigans.
cameraperson 7 months ago
@cameraperson - you waking up every morning proves there is a God. Your soul being different than mine proves there is a God. All those animals you look at in nature are another testimony. Things like the theory of relativity only prove the how... not the why. Many scientists realize there is an order - that was not just by accident. And I do know some science and have relatives in my family who studied engineering and medicine among other things... and they sure believe in God as well.
Amidat 7 months ago
@Amidat
When I wake up it proves god? So, when I do not wake up someday, will that prove there's NO god? Ha ha that's so stupid!! You have no soul, I have no soul- unless you can prove we do? If I cut off my hand, would my "soul" lose it's ghostly hand?? Duh. That's nonsense and you know it. The universe may have "an order" but it's not attributed to any being. If you have proof of this "being" then show us. We're all waiting. -->
cameraperson 7 months ago
@cameraperson ---> And I feel bad for your relatives who pretend to be scientists. A real scientist takes the bad info and discards it immediately. Why would we give religious nonsense any credibility? There's no proof. There's no data. If there was, I'd believe IMMEDIATELY. If a blind person doubted the existence of the moon, we could prove it using tides, lasers, or we could go there. DO THIS FOR YOUR GOD!! If you cant, then you're wasting our time. It's just nonsense and you know it.
cameraperson 7 months ago
@Amidat
You clearly have no idea what a "scientific theory" is. It's not like "hey I have a theory about jelly donuts." A theory is a massive pile of facts verified by many independent folks, churned into a working and predictive model of the world. Each time it's applied, of course, it could be negated. But the "theory" of relativity isnt just silly nonsense. These scientific theories are serious predictive models- go look it up.
cameraperson 7 months ago
I have a news flash for you folks........... the wolves are already IN the Adirondacks....
wolfatnight 2 years ago
There may be a few stragglers or a loose pack or 2, but the howling you hear is not Wolves. They cant survive in the park because Wolves in our area migrated to Canada when the St Lawrence River was allowed to freeze, now that iceabreakers keep it open for shipping, the NE is just too crowded to keep native wolves happy in our seemingly large area.
cameraperson 2 years ago
interesting theory............ but you dont think there is ample population of game in a six million acre wilderness to sustain a pack of wolves? not to mention, I would imagine there are some corridor's of terriroty that bridge the Adirondacks and the Catskills........ the Adirondacks are twice the size of Yellowstone
btw...... my statement is based on visual evidence, as opposed to any vocalizations I've heard
wolfatnight 2 years ago
Lots of people "see wolves" but no pictures? Maybe u saw one, or a dog or coyote. I've talked to Adk "wolf rehabs" who take in "used pets" or injured wolves- jailbreaks occur cuz wolves are smart.
We may be larger than YStone, but we have a growing human pop. and natural historic territory is now cut in half.
2002 saw the first proven Wolf kill, the 1st proof in 100yrs. Scientists say its possbl the wolf came from Canada,but much hunting&traps near Algonquin Prk make that trip treacherous.
cameraperson 2 years ago
AND we have people living all thru our park, Ystone dosnt, and Montana, Wyoming and up to Canada is HUGE. If you havent been there, go check it out. I did it on a bicycle, and it seemed even bigger!
cameraperson 2 years ago
@cameraperson - I personally think mountain lions are back naturally in NY. Wolves may have a harder time because they live in packs... but I think it's possible... don't underestimate them.
Amidat 8 months ago
@Amidat
There is a small population of mountain lions in the ADKs, and I have a photo of one near St Regis Falls. Wolves need hundreds of uninterrupted miles, and the ADKs just dont support that anymore because the ice lanes are kept open and wolves cant cross the St Lawrence, and to the east we have lots of highways, lakes and population centers. Wolves arent going near those. In fact, there are barely any wolves in provincial parks between Montreal and Quebec City --->
cameraperson 8 months ago
@cameraperson ---> in fact, on Parks Canada's website, "One of the two packs that had frequented the park for many years disappeared between '88 and '93. The presence of the wolf has become increasingly sporadic in the park, so much so that we can no longer affirm that it adequately fulfills its ecological role." And "The territory used by the wolfpacks greatly exceeds the boundaries of the park. Only one pack uses the park year round, with 74% of its territory within the park’s boundaries."
cameraperson 8 months ago
@cameraperson - ok I don't live in the ADK.. I'm not disputing any of the facts you stated. But there are many who say that mountain lions wouldn't return to the ADK or don't even exist either. According to the government they aren't there. And that's my point. Never say never. If coyotes and falcons and wild turkey populate NYC - then I would never say a predator wouldn't return to the ADK. Even Badgers have moved back to the Bronx River naturally and ppl said "no way it would happen".
Amidat 8 months ago
@cameraperson - meant to say "beavers" are back in the Bronx... not "badgers".
Amidat 8 months ago
So Qbs point is that if you put wolves in an area, it will save your water? Another misguided soil scientist getting a government check and not having to work for it. Their is no logical argument for putting wolves close to population centers. So, the fact remains. As the saying goes, if you can't win the argument, then make something up......
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
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4fens 2 years ago
Fact is, I am not totally against having wolves around. Why? Because even if we could wage a war on them, we could never get them all due to the fact that poisons and such cannot be used anymore. CONTROL them, let people shootem. Hell, look what we did with game herds and license fees. Never more game in Montana than now, because of Hunters license dollars. I know that pisses the antis off, but its true. Sell wolf licenses, use the money to copensate ranchers, etc.
BIGSKYHAL50 3 years ago
The problem is that wolves should be where they want to be, and a long time ago, people invaded the northeast of NY. Reintroduction is foolish because you are trying to force them back, and they cant get across the St Lawerence River because it's kept open by icebreakers all winter.
But I'm not sure shooting anything works. If I found out someone was poaching, I would turn that info to a lot of powerful people, so please, everyone, let me know.
cameraperson 3 years ago
Why do you want them back? You should talk to a few people who make a livihood off the land and ask them. They are the ones most affected.
BIGSKYHAL50 3 years ago
Why do we want them back? Because not everybody's livelihood is cattle and being a rancher. Having increased biodiversity in the adirondacks and preserving its wild nature is the livelihood for the residents of the adirondack park you ignorant pile. Cows dont make the world go around. Do you know how many cattle ranches there are in the Adirondack Park? If you did you wouldn't even attempts a response to this.
Qbynordi 2 years ago 2
What about those people whose livihood it is? Who made you the judge? Increased biodiversity? Hell, you might as well bring in lions from Africa, Tigers from India, god man. Do you understand economics? Do you think your damm wolves will stay in the park? Nope. Bad idea, VERY BAD IDEA.
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
Yeah my point is that there are not cattle ranches in the adirondack park but i guess you wouldnt know that. Increasing historical biodiversity is a very good thing. And obviously you arent up on your ecology or economics because the Edge Effect ensures that wolves would indeed stay within the area they are reintroduced in. Fact is more people would visit the park to see wolves than the economic damage they would cause. You worry about your montana and us Adirondackers will deal with our adk's
Qbynordi 2 years ago
sorry, man, but thats a lie. Wolves WILL NOT stay in the area. That has been prooved over and over with the reintroduction of wolves in the west. Some of those wolves traveled 500 miles. 500 miles in your country is about, what? 5 states? As far as more people in your park, do you want more? In YNP they said the same thing. BUT just as many people visitied the park before as after, just more wolf watchers. The won't tell you that.
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
@BIGSKYHAL50 - and just the same as they travel all that distance out went... I wouldn't be suprised if they came back to NY - Maine and Vermont from Canada.
Amidat 8 months ago
@Amidat
Do you know much about wolves? They dont just need some food and water... they need a thousand miles of particular hunting range and forest. In canada, where they have the range and forests, the human activities are enough to disturb them and the wolves move away, or die off.
cameraperson 8 months ago
@cameraperson - never say never.... I know they need large ranges... but never underestimate how an animal can adapt... much stranger things have happened. If they weren't shot and trapped relentlessly - I don't think they would have died off - even with development.
Amidat 8 months ago
the other point, keeping my nose out of your business. We would not have wolves here if it were not for people like you pushing them on us. 90% of the people in this area directly affected by the wolves did not want them, but they were put here by people like you. Now, after the destruction, its 100%. Heck, people even want to succeed from the union over this issue. Regardless of what you read, it would be a major disaster to put wolves back east, like an atomic bomb......
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
This is why public education is important in reintruction areas. Ecologically the 1995 reintroduction of wolves into Yellowstone was a sucess but because of the lack of eductation among the public only those who understand the significance of this step can see the benefits. If you truley understand every facet of wolves im sure you would be willing to remind me how the reintroduction of wolves ( a top predator ) can have a significant positive impact on the cost of your drinking water.
Qbynordi 2 years ago
and as far as pushing them on you? I would not be arguing for their reintroduction if they were simply not fit enough to survive in these ranges however the reason for their 70 year absence was because of HUMANS. We have a responsibility to our land, ourselves and future generations and thinking of people like yourself is what makes it more difficult to preserve for the future. Yes I said difficult not impossible. So go ahead and be ignorant. We will continue to press on for what is right.
Qbynordi 2 years ago
and for the record.."people like me" are the people that deliver you're clean drinking water and ensure that your home isn't built on expansive smectite soils, and people like me ensure that the food you consume is safe and the way you raise livestock is responsible. People like me are the reason your septic system flows at a proper velocity even in silty soils so as to not contaminate the well you use for livestock. Yes, clearly "people like me" are the problem here.
Qbynordi 2 years ago
Bah, Bah, another mute point. While you are at it, you should put african lions, tigers, and maybe a few polar bears down there to. It has not worked in Montana, Wyoming, or Idaho, much less the southwest. It won't work where you are at either. Same ol, Same ol........
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
Ha Ha, thats a good one. The wolves will clear up the drinking water problem. How? Well, I think if you have a herbivore problem you could certainly let people take care of that....without the loss of domestic livestock, dogs, cats, and game populations. Ecologically it has yet to be seen if the wolves in YNP are helping...sure, less elk, what happens if they completely destory the moose and bighorn sheep population before they kill the last elk?
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
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4fens 2 years ago
Speaking as someone who has lived in AK and NYC for extensive periods of time, I might have some insight into the way you guys feel. Big Sky Hal is having a "never miss your water till its gone" moment. It is hard to appreciate the wild when its surrounding you. But Qbynordi may also be guilty of forgetting that we have been at battle with wolves since before we walked on two legs. It may not be easy to live with them again. I think you should both stay at the others houses for a month
sssnole 2 years ago
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4fens 2 years ago
Few people think the wolves will stay around because few people understand how wolves operate.
Many people think the idea of increased biodiversity is good no matter what, or they just love them like they love Loons or Bears or wildlife in general.
I would prefer the wolves be allowed to live free but its not possible with human population increasing into their habitat, ice kept open in the winter on the st law river, and all the other pressure on their lives.
cameraperson 2 years ago
@BIGSKYHAL50 - tigers and lions from Africa are not native to NY... that's the big difference.
Amidat 8 months ago
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4fens 2 years ago
Damm, Dan, you make good sense. To bad the liberal judges and some of the people commenting on here don't have any.
BIGSKYHAL50 3 years ago
People that take it upon themselves to covertly release animals into areas where they do not belong should be prosecuted to the fullest extent.
For example, the mountain lions roaming New York's southern tier. The locals aren't happy about it and it does'nt matter if they are protected, people will simply practice shoot, shovel and shut up.
DanOblacksmith 3 years ago
Wouldn't it be nice if those responsible be held accountable. If the wolves strave-animal cruelty charges. Bring in immigrants - legal or illegal - be responsible for their safety, health, education etc. Introduce plants that are invasive and destructive - you pay. Persoanal responsibility. Humm what an old concept.
concerned00citizen 3 years ago
wolves are bad news, period. Its to bad that people who are going to be uneffected by the wolves are pushing to have them reintroduced. I think they should be held liable for doing this insanity.
BIGSKYHAL50 3 years ago
Move the wolves to their backyards in the Big Cities, were most of the enviro-whacko's live! Yeah, that would be great wouldn't it! I heard of a few trappers getting together putting out a dozen foot holds each and for 3 days run their line.When they get a few then take them to Detroit,Chicago,Twin Cities and let them go.Can't wait for this.Chasing THEIR kids at the bus stop for a change would be nice!No doubt about it! LOL
yoopersportsman 3 years ago
Thank You, Finally someone commenting on ytube with a bit of common sense.
BIGSKYHAL50 3 years ago
What exactly is insane about reintroducing wolves. They belong there. AND there is not ONE recorded human death by a wolf attack in the entire continent of North America. It has never happened and never will. So why are they bad news???
mohawkmeat 3 years ago
It is obvious that you have no clue as to what wolves do to domestic cattle, sheep, horses, dogs, etc. Sorry, but we even had one guy attacked by a wild wolf this spring in Montana. THEY DO NOT BELONG HERE! Say what you will, but we live here now, and we don't want wolves.
BIGSKYHAL50 3 years ago
Yeah they may get a few here and there but there'll be programs set up to reimburse for any losses. And I'm positive that they aren't as bad as you think. Ever hear of L. David Mech. He is THE wolf expert. And to be honest the coyotes do more damage than the wolves would ever do. And if you want to ban soemthing ban domestic dogs. They kill WAY more people than wolves ever have or will and are a much bigger danger to humans. Smarten up and do some real research. Oh and wheres your degree from?
mohawkmeat 3 years ago
I have found that most of the "wolf experts" are the guys who raise them in their backyards (must really agitate their neighbors) or definitely have a prowolf attidtude. Coyotes cannot pull down a full grown cow, or a calf two weeks old. Wolves can and do. What does a degree have to do with wolves slaughtering cattle? You need to talk to a few ranchers, people whos lives depend upon cattle, sheep, horses, etc.
BIGSKYHAL50 3 years ago
Like I said programs can be put in place to reimburse for any losses. Wolves aren't going to clean out a hole field of livestock. So out goes that argument. And if you just take a couple minute L. David Mech is not just a wolf expert he is one of the leading wolf experts not only in the US but in the entire world. Take a few and look into some of his stuff. Theres plenty of ways to make it work so were all happy. These ignorant ranchers just need to be a little less thickheaded.
mohawkmeat 3 years ago
Obviously, Mr. Mechs livihood is not threatened by wolves. In fact, I am sure he is making good money by selling his ideas on wolves to people like you. I know more than a few of those "ignorant ranchers" as you call them. Almost all have college educations, but more importantly, they have common sense. If this Mech cared a little more about people, he would not be pushing wolves down their throats.
BIGSKYHAL50 3 years ago
Mech is completely unbiased and I'm pretty sure he cares a great deal not only about the wolves but all those affected by any action taken regarding wolves. I have yet to pay for any of his material thanks to this hip new gadget called a library. Find one and do a little research. He knows his stuff better than anyone and he knows both sides of it.
mohawkmeat 3 years ago
Can't say he is unbiased if his property is being destroyed by wolves. Your "new material" means nothing. Wolves kill cattle, period. Get rid of the wolves, end of problem.
BIGSKYHAL50 3 years ago
Like I said. Just take a look into Mech and his research. He's been doing this stuff since the 60's/70's right up to today. And PEOPLE not wolves are the problem. People just love thinking that they are more important than everything else and have every right to destroy any and all ecosystems and habitats. In the grand scheme of things a few ranchers "livelihoods" are expendable if it means restoring the natural ecosystem. The environment is more important than anything and everything.
mohawkmeat 3 years ago
hey, I know people who have lost stock, and its a real pain to try to get reimbursed for cattle. In our area, there is no reimburement for sheep. Buddy, I have more than a few degrees, but what does that matter? You think a guy with a degree is going to stop wolves from eating peoples livihoods? Your "research" you read about is bias. Talk to someone who has to deal with wolves on a day to day basis. Compeltely different story.
BIGSKYHAL50 3 years ago
Did the wolf bite? Reintro of any animal is stupid. They come back as the food is available. Wolves are in Vermont already. See Shay Vermont to see how much VT legislators give a damned for VTers.
concerned00citizen 4 years ago
the wolf bit the tiny bit of audio cable that the wolf saw as foreign- destroyed it actually. It was a wolf, not a dog-wolf as some have posted here.
cameraperson 3 years ago
What is the point of that video?
twochordcool 4 years ago
Make it safe for the wolves to come back... get rid of the motorcyclists who come tearing through in the spring and wake me up at all hours during the warm months
writingjenny 5 years ago
i read some article a few years back about some guy who shot what he thought was a ny state record coyote but it turned out to have red wolf in it.
they always try reintroduction of animals, ive heard rumors of elk and gray wolf re intro. theyve tried lynx but lynx just dont wanna stay.
born50yearstoolate 4 years ago