Dios...!!!! es espectacular... cuanto no diera por estar en un concierto con ellos...!!! los adoro...!!!! they´re all in my life.....Je leur aimerai toujours....!!!!!!
God I love this song I rock out to it on expert(im a chick for guys who say we cant play that game on expert haha, i get a score of 85% on cliffs of dover on Expert) guitar hero almost every day! Go tokio hotel!
Je sais pas si ils ont augmentés le volume du public pour mieux les entendre mais en tout cas ca me donne des frissons d'entendre les fans reprendre monsun comme ca =')
wow i think it's so incredible how an arena full of people from germany and italy are singing in english like they're fluent...and also i give bill a lot of credit for being able to sing in english. i tried singing one of their german songs and it was so hard to sing, let alone memorize! also... i'm wondering how a room full of italians understood his lengthy german introduction...oh well lov ethem anyway (: <3
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I agree that they are talented, but saying that one of the reasons for that is that he can sign in a different language than his own is wrong. Many, many bands outside the US do that. It's pretty common, doesn't require much.
I'm convinced that his surgery affected his singing. I hate to say it, but he's not as great at singing live as he used to be. He was incredible here. Same with all the concerts before 2008. Now he has trouble hitting the higher notes and it's all shaky.
I'm not saying I don't love Bill or Tokio Hotel. Because I do. I'm just saying I wish he still sang live like this.
If you can read, I posted that before that song was leaked. And yes, I did listen to it. Just because Bill can hit the notes on the album doesn't mean he can hit them when he's singing live. It's possible to auto-tune voices after being recorded. And plus, Bill's using his falsetto voice to hit the high notes, which is easier. During any live performance to date, he's only used his chest voice.
a) I definitely wrote that comment before hearing any of the new songs live.
b) He's using his falsetto voice when he sings most of the high notes in the new songs live. Although at MTV Day he did manage to hit some fairly high notes using his chest voice.
I'm just saying that if you watch some videos, like from the Cherrytree Sessions, he's having trouble.
I understand that, but you can't expect Bill to sing like Elvis Presley. He's got a unique voice. Not SPECTACULAR but very,very good. And besides if he sings the live and album versions exactly the same, it would be boring, but i understand what you're saying.
bellissimooooooooooooooooooooo......io ero liiiiiiiiiii...è stato il gg + bello della mia vitaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!! bellissimooooo...tokio hotel vi amo trpp
like just watch when their in america they dont seem as excited but when their in any other country Bill lets them sing like half the song and over here he rly dosnt care. Dont get me wrong Bill Kaulitz is Super AWESOME but that's just my opinion.
You said that they don't seem excited like an other countries. They were really tired that summer in us. Everybody wanted to have them at their programs cause they just got famous in us and that maked them tired for they went everywere. :) Soon are they ready for a new TH-year like last year :D
I only said that this video is the FULL video, why did you give me a minus, I didn't do anything wrong. I said it is the FULL video, because I saw one that was not complete.
This video is so cool, man, it's so cool, phenomenon actually. Bill....
lol, at 0:44 hes just standing there looking so amazed, thinking tht he was just a normal person and now thousands of girls (and guys) are screaming for him. hes so flabbergasted. lol. rok on tokio hotel. but im over u
i understand to expand my musical taste and everything but sorry these guys just dont hang with me im sorry but people will always hate or love them, i just happen to not like them and also i have buddies that share the same opinion about them so uh you would be surprised about my opinion, plus im a musician myself, and i probably know about music more than you do bro these guys will not last trust me o and im sorry i'll leave you alone now :)
well i do respect everyones opinion but u ddnt rly have to rite yours so rudely. i kno that lots of people dnt lyke them but your first comment was rly obscene. but thanks for replying politely :P and its ok....
i guess it was pretty messed up sounding o and sorry for calling you bro i didnt realise that was realy you in the picture you look like him lol no offense
Not great music, but the best! One of the best bands to come out in more than a decade. Some ppl are just too into the older music and are not able to accept new stuff...time changes, public's taste in music & style also changes. There are many GREAT musicians in the past tht has made their mark but in time, there will always be new ones just very rare and happens probably once in a decade or two or never at all...
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no niggas these guys suck balls and they are cuints and look like my sister lol these guys are NOT THE BEST BAND IN THE WORLD YOU GUYS DONT KNOW MUSIC IF YOU WANT A REAL GERMAN BAND LOOK UP RAMMSTEIN :p you know only if you want real music
...apperantly U dnt kno music . u sould appreciate all types of music not just one besides if u dnt like tokio hotel jsut screw off no one gives a shit about UR opinion
God I love this. And I love them.
huumanooid 3 weeks ago
Goosebumps everytime, I love when the fans gets to sing along.
ttokioh0tel 1 month ago
thats the poorest band in the world....
fuck you tokio hotel
drumzzz984ever 3 months ago
@drumzzz984ever and you're the most pathetic person in the world. fuck you drumzzz984ever :) although I understand you, you should be jealous.
ttokioh0tel 1 month ago
Loving the message at the beginning
FlidgenutBooakl 3 months ago
I love this song! =>
it looks like they have a lot of fun up there on stage!!! :P
loveurlife6789 4 months ago
AMAZING ! ♥.♥'
BrenHerzAlien 4 months ago
this video make me remind them concerts in portugal
joaolanzinha12 6 months ago
Audience sang most of the song.
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MizzJellyify 6 months ago
Tokio Hotel 4 Ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TokioHotelFan37 7 months ago
i love it
TokioHotelFan37 7 months ago
my favourite Monsoon performance !
BeexDD 8 months ago
Dios...!!!! es espectacular... cuanto no diera por estar en un concierto con ellos...!!! los adoro...!!!! they´re all in my life.....Je leur aimerai toujours....!!!!!!
Roshyfull 8 months ago
BRASIL BRASIL BRASIL, BRAZIL BRAZIL BRAZIL, BRÉSIL BRÉSIL BRÉSIL, e assim vai... RIO DE JANEIRO!!! É NÓS MANO!
pedalador2 8 months ago
Only girls i can see on the crowd
salot19 9 months ago
God I love this song I rock out to it on expert(im a chick for guys who say we cant play that game on expert haha, i get a score of 85% on cliffs of dover on Expert) guitar hero almost every day! Go tokio hotel!
RicaDominicana 10 months ago
god I love this song rick out to it on expert on guitar hero world tour! He's hot!
RicaDominicana 10 months ago
they sound great live... just like the record :P
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terisavosburgmdk 1 year ago
what's with the message- they're fuckin' great....!
amarijayamari 1 year ago 4
this is the first time i hear the audience sing this loud! that makes tokio hotel happy, and me too :) <3 LOVE it
RoyalRock483x 1 year ago 3
he's presence and voice are so addicting hehe
jyunjin 1 year ago
Best TH performance ever... Ever!!!
HarmooDaAwesome 1 year ago 8
he says "together we'll be..' because he he doesn't reach the pitch
daelead 1 year ago
God was showing off when he made Bill.<3
Jussaying.
littlepupnut1 1 year ago
DATEVI FUOCO IN MASSA......
diosommo 1 year ago
@diosommo comincia tu magari cosi dai il buon esempio
laladymia 1 year ago
Je sais pas si ils ont augmentés le volume du public pour mieux les entendre mais en tout cas ca me donne des frissons d'entendre les fans reprendre monsun comme ca =')
HelloRiina 1 year ago
@HelloRiina i was there and it was probably the most concert that i've ever seen :D
It was really a magic.
and yes we were really really really loud and a lot of times i couldn't hear bill's voice.
I miss that spontaneity.
Ioghith 1 year ago
what a HUGE audience!!!
soldforgold 1 year ago
5:50 ...damn boy (;
GoWithTheFlow710 1 year ago
3:49 his voice sounds so pure and beautiful <3 i love bill (:
GoWithTheFlow710 1 year ago
wow i think it's so incredible how an arena full of people from germany and italy are singing in english like they're fluent...and also i give bill a lot of credit for being able to sing in english. i tried singing one of their german songs and it was so hard to sing, let alone memorize! also... i'm wondering how a room full of italians understood his lengthy german introduction...oh well lov ethem anyway (: <3
GoWithTheFlow710 1 year ago
@GoWithTheFlow710 in fact we didn't understan a thing xD but that night was wonderful,the best one in my life <3
robertath92 1 year ago
It's ok to let the fans sing, but that was a really long hole without singing.
:/
Sonicblueknight 1 year ago
@Sonicblueknight yeah, he did it in the high notes cause singing live he can`t get to those notes...
theleo777 1 year ago
I love his voice. He is an amazing singer.
How can people hate him.
<3 Bill <3
ZoeIsYoda 1 year ago
@XxAvRiLxFaNxX cause they miss home.
godanmit 1 year ago
Amazing! ♥
sixxneilmarslee 1 year ago
WHAT AN AMAZING CROWD :O
GREAT JOB MILAN!& TOKIO HOTEL.
Bill, you are beautiful in so many ways.
arygore 1 year ago
FANCULO MERDA TOKIO HOTEL = SHIT!!!!!
mannaiallaXXXXXX 1 year ago
Omg Italian girls are loud the boys look impressed
xoS0Phieeox 1 year ago 2
LOL 5:29 HAHAHA....he sounds soo weird, like a car
harlequingirlpatd 1 year ago
très belle chanson et beau live vive TH
JDTHFANS 1 year ago
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screw these fucking emos!!! god damn how they can be so famous?! commercial music FTW
SoapWTF 2 years ago
Why do they sing in english, while everyone love them in german? O.o
Paris69 2 years ago
their great! but...what does bill says in the first part of the vid?(the spoken one i mean)it can anyone help me?! thanks
nellamj19 2 years ago
2:00 , he looks so happy :') omg :')
ttokioh0tel 2 years ago 3
un maschio furbo doveva andare a questo concerto: le tipe non mancavano di certo!
danbrown844 2 years ago
bills jeans are really hot :) well so is bill but i want those jeans lol (yes its the simple things)
Emogal1991 2 years ago 4
I love when he says "together we'll be.." and the fans scream "running somewhere new!!"
<3
SofiaWhite 2 years ago 31
@SofiaWhite same here ! :)
PopGracewood 3 weeks ago
@Kamilakizz I don't think he's crying. I thnk it's cuz they're sweating so much on stage
jonasfan4life55 2 years ago 3
sweat probably
ljubes 2 years ago
Se fosse una donna non mi stupirei
Landoforpresident 2 years ago
the audience in the back is really dull
SquirlKiller 2 years ago
i hate tokio hotel but i like this song and at least thereis 70000 people
tefolase 2 years ago
Tokio Hotel é o melhor!!!!!!!!!!!
jonathanscgth 2 years ago
Awesome!!!!! 3>
thforever26 2 years ago 2
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what language is this ???
hes gay ?
puspus1234 2 years ago
Speak : German
Sing : English
aga0796 2 years ago
no he isn't... XD
I hope :P
no, I'm kidding: he is not gay.
And...he's german, but in this video he's singing in Italy (Milano).
In my opinion, that was the best italian concert ever. THE FIRST!
mackyssima 2 years ago 5
lol ok thanks ! i absolutely loveee this song !
puspus1234 2 years ago 2
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Yeah he is gay *-* Another person that think that he is horrible -_-"
fernjblack 2 years ago
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fucked up! cant hit high notes!
riseupmartian 2 years ago
non c'ero quel giorno a Milano,,,ma so io come sono stata di cacca...love ya tokio hotel
SimonaFanTH4ever 2 years ago
I WISH I WAS THERE! :D
tHOTELfreak 2 years ago 2
aguante pantera !
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i love the song , i hate the singer
bestaquarium 2 years ago
Omg i love tokio hotel i think that he's extremly talented to be able to sing a different language ^^ love you bill <3
longlostbecky 2 years ago 4
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I agree that they are talented, but saying that one of the reasons for that is that he can sign in a different language than his own is wrong. Many, many bands outside the US do that. It's pretty common, doesn't require much.
Great song anyway.
DecessusFar 2 years ago
i like a lot this song, i this this is one of the best song of TOKIO
terererere1 2 years ago
I'm convinced that his surgery affected his singing. I hate to say it, but he's not as great at singing live as he used to be. He was incredible here. Same with all the concerts before 2008. Now he has trouble hitting the higher notes and it's all shaky.
I'm not saying I don't love Bill or Tokio Hotel. Because I do. I'm just saying I wish he still sang live like this.
Sarahx919 2 years ago 3
what? do you allready listen to "love and death"?
johnizito 2 years ago
If you can read, I posted that before that song was leaked. And yes, I did listen to it. Just because Bill can hit the notes on the album doesn't mean he can hit them when he's singing live. It's possible to auto-tune voices after being recorded. And plus, Bill's using his falsetto voice to hit the high notes, which is easier. During any live performance to date, he's only used his chest voice.
...End rant lol
Sarahx919 2 years ago
Have you heard Automatisch live? He hits the notes perfectly. THE HIGH NOTES. AUTOMATISCH LIVE IN KOLN GERMANY
SEARCH IT UP.
arygore 2 years ago 3
a) I definitely wrote that comment before hearing any of the new songs live.
b) He's using his falsetto voice when he sings most of the high notes in the new songs live. Although at MTV Day he did manage to hit some fairly high notes using his chest voice.
I'm just saying that if you watch some videos, like from the Cherrytree Sessions, he's having trouble.
Sarahx919 2 years ago
I understand that, but you can't expect Bill to sing like Elvis Presley. He's got a unique voice. Not SPECTACULAR but very,very good. And besides if he sings the live and album versions exactly the same, it would be boring, but i understand what you're saying.
arygore 2 years ago
I was there. It was crazy.
I miss them.
<3
HeiligHisBlood 2 years ago 3
well october 2nd they are coming bak NEW ALBUM!!
derickmls14 2 years ago 22
Yes, I know ^^
I think it will be great ^^
HeiligHisBlood 2 years ago 2
he sings awesome live too!!1
timerssarah 2 years ago 2
bellissimooooooooooooooooooooo......io ero liiiiiiiiiii...è stato il gg + bello della mia vitaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!! bellissimooooo...tokio hotel vi amo trpp
pazzaTokiotellina 2 years ago
love it! :)
ttokioh0tel 2 years ago 2
io lo amoo enn vdd Bill
tokio hotel la mejor banda de la historiia
laiilitta 2 years ago 4
me encanta cuando edspues del silencio grita xvr!
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fuck yeah
tokio motel sucks
enemyofall67 2 years ago
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What a shemale :P
Ynnehansen 2 years ago
I love Bill he is so cute!!!
MelanieD22 2 years ago 2
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Great melody Horrible singer....
VictorHugoVideos 2 years ago
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is it a boy or girl?
michaeljacksongal 2 years ago
a guy.....like 500 people ask that everyday and its really annoying...
dollycoally34 2 years ago 3
io c'erooooooooooooooooo....è stato bellisimooooooooooooooooooooo
pazzaTokiotellina 2 years ago
tom ich liebe dich!!
you are so beautiful!!
luupessina 2 years ago 2
fanno schifo.
keyko82 2 years ago
Tokio Hotel 4ever yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
310exkratos 2 years ago 4
like just watch when their in america they dont seem as excited but when their in any other country Bill lets them sing like half the song and over here he rly dosnt care. Dont get me wrong Bill Kaulitz is Super AWESOME but that's just my opinion.
FunWithAlice 2 years ago
But I think It was Tom that was saying He wouldn't mind having a house in LA and an Apartment in NY. Or maybe it was Georg...
XxSelphiexChanxX 2 years ago
i think tom =D
dollycoally34 2 years ago
maybe because they are tired from a busy schedule ???
behcet123 2 years ago
You said that they don't seem excited like an other countries. They were really tired that summer in us. Everybody wanted to have them at their programs cause they just got famous in us and that maked them tired for they went everywere. :) Soon are they ready for a new TH-year like last year :D
bannanna215 2 years ago
i rly love tokio hotel but when their in a foreighn country they seem so happy and nice but when their in the us they seem so deppressed
FunWithAlice 2 years ago
well some just suck at singing and i like it better when they sing themselves
MuseFan288 2 years ago
hey hey bill we paid to hear you sing not the crowd you ass, still good singer though
thefoxlad99 2 years ago
So awesome <3
ILoveeScrubs 2 years ago
All caps make you cool and makes your point that much more relevant :)
czythe 2 years ago
Anger management classes, look into them.
czythe 2 years ago
Thank you for that valuable piece of advice. Hope you liked looking at him as much as we do :)
czythe 2 years ago
This fucking fag never sings like in the CD !
renatoufo 2 years ago
And if he did, people would STILL complain, saying "it's just playback!"
DevilMaster 2 years ago
wat language was bill speaking?
iSHMiLEx13 2 years ago
I think german
AznInDarks 2 years ago
super chevere el video amo a TOKIO HOTEL
HORMIGUITASZ 2 years ago
when was this?
i definitely know it was before i was even a fan.<33
=)
FurImmerWootWoot 2 years ago
i love TOKIO HOTEL
bill is my cuppycake
tokiohoteljax 2 years ago
I only said that this video is the FULL video, why did you give me a minus, I didn't do anything wrong. I said it is the FULL video, because I saw one that was not complete.
This video is so cool, man, it's so cool, phenomenon actually. Bill....
2012BeyondtheWorld 2 years ago
nao entendo nada q ele fala...o cara é alemoa e fala em ingles...Deuss
lDieHard 2 years ago
this song is amazing!
ScreamSarah 2 years ago
tokio hotel rulez
tsucoyomi 2 years ago
ohh this is the full one
2012BeyondtheWorld 2 years ago
OMGGGGGG !
I LOVE TOKIO HOTEL :o (l)
Vivement leur retour <3
TH FÜR IMMER !
TokiioHoteel483 2 years ago 3
where the HELL is milan but i love it still mother fukin
PasswordHorseFiction 2 years ago
milan its in italy lol and its one of the most important cities?
MeChurryMyself 2 years ago 3
@PasswordHorseFiction
where the hell is milan? O_O milan is in italy! ._.
UnsuspectingVictim09 1 year ago
Quanti ricordi.
Ero lì. a pochi metri da loro.
Ormai sono cambiate tante cose.
Quanto vorrei tornare a quei fantastici momenti...
I was there.
They were so amazing.
I was so near the stage.
Great guys. I will never forget those moments.
LaMarghee 2 years ago
You are one fucking lucky bitch. =]
Ich liebe Tokio Hotel
Jonasgirl987 2 years ago
I love them too.
LaMarghee 2 years ago
5:30
I love it.
murderergun 2 years ago
es genial
no lo creen
garicorona 2 years ago
I`m over TH, but they are still a amazing band, and play raelly good music=P ... Rock on;D
SebCR7 2 years ago 3
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1:22 listen how he says monsoon!!!!!!!GAY xa0x0ax0a0x
p4ok4kiG4 2 years ago
His voice is SO sexy in the last chorus.
CanadianEh91 2 years ago 4
OMG.
Je les aime plus que tout <3<3
Tokio Hotel rime avec éternel.
TH FOR EVER <3<3
TokiioHoteel483 2 years ago 2
he sings so sexy this is before his surgery right...i do thinks his voice changed a little but it's still good
stefanimm 2 years ago 2
lol, at 0:44 hes just standing there looking so amazed, thinking tht he was just a normal person and now thousands of girls (and guys) are screaming for him. hes so flabbergasted. lol. rok on tokio hotel. but im over u
XXscreamosceneXX 2 years ago 4
Tokio Hotel is one of few bands that sound as good live as they do on their albums. They can put on a really great show.
justinb93 2 years ago 4
i know theres something beauitful about his voice <3
BillTomKaulitz22 3 years ago 4
bill is soo cute when is he talk :)
Nenushenka 3 years ago 3
Wow, no there's something about his voice in this Monsoon it's so beautiful ♥
thank you for the video =]
2012BeyondtheWorld 3 years ago 5
wow! thats a TON of people TH is playing for!
wheresfluffy14 3 years ago 2
Gosh ! i lOve this band Realy it's realy cut :'(
Millkaulitz 3 years ago
che meraviglia *__*
alexavril94 3 years ago
I love the way Bill says 'just' it's like Jassst me and youu!
ZiaShinu 3 years ago
i love this group!!
Tokio Hotel is my life! *__*
tokitaatomik 3 years ago 2
haha omg... and all you see is bills hair sticking out huge xD
i love him. <3 thx for posting this!
LetGoGirl1997 3 years ago
LOL i luv him too <3
and no prb :D
XxAvRiLxFaNxX 3 years ago
la verdad el grupo no es de mis favoritos, pero poco a poco me han ido gustando sus canciones...
imagino que en poco me haré con algún disco.
Lawsx2009 3 years ago
en que idioma habla al principio??
porque no es ni ingles ni italiano
gracos3 3 years ago
E' tedesco.
It's german.
=D
He's so cute with his german *-*
MiChiamoVick 3 years ago 2
Porca vacca Milano T____T
MiChiamoVick 3 years ago
i didnt know he was a guy first time i saw the music vid :P he actually sounds good live though.
dv1429 3 years ago
uhmm he is a guy okay...
and yes omg he is the best singer ever!!! and live!
he is so talented and other artists actually suck at singing live you know!
i love you bill <333
xXxLoveBillxXx 3 years ago
i understand to expand my musical taste and everything but sorry these guys just dont hang with me im sorry but people will always hate or love them, i just happen to not like them and also i have buddies that share the same opinion about them so uh you would be surprised about my opinion, plus im a musician myself, and i probably know about music more than you do bro these guys will not last trust me o and im sorry i'll leave you alone now :)
reynaldonavas 3 years ago
well i do respect everyones opinion but u ddnt rly have to rite yours so rudely. i kno that lots of people dnt lyke them but your first comment was rly obscene. but thanks for replying politely :P and its ok....
(uhm did u rite bro 2 me? cuz....im a girl) :(
XxAvRiLxFaNxX 3 years ago
i guess it was pretty messed up sounding o and sorry for calling you bro i didnt realise that was realy you in the picture you look like him lol no offense
reynaldonavas 3 years ago
Not great music, but the best! One of the best bands to come out in more than a decade. Some ppl are just too into the older music and are not able to accept new stuff...time changes, public's taste in music & style also changes. There are many GREAT musicians in the past tht has made their mark but in time, there will always be new ones just very rare and happens probably once in a decade or two or never at all...
WaiPing88 3 years ago
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no niggas these guys suck balls and they are cuints and look like my sister lol these guys are NOT THE BEST BAND IN THE WORLD YOU GUYS DONT KNOW MUSIC IF YOU WANT A REAL GERMAN BAND LOOK UP RAMMSTEIN :p you know only if you want real music
reynaldonavas 3 years ago
...apperantly U dnt kno music . u sould appreciate all types of music not just one besides if u dnt like tokio hotel jsut screw off no one gives a shit about UR opinion
XxAvRiLxFaNxX 3 years ago
ps esta byen perro ese bideo sobretodo por que es de tokio hotel
obelisk0123 3 years ago
thers no other way to describe it
theese guys are just the best band in the whole world! and Bill is just the hottest guy ever! ;)
Tokio Hotel fur immer <3
lillucy2k7 3 years ago
xD i love that part between 4:40 and somewhere around 5:35 xD TH are the best :D and bill is the cutest guy in the world :X
sakuradamiwako 3 years ago 3
I love this video
Nawbdbest 3 years ago 2
he sounds sooo sweet when hes out of breath <33
xD
BillTomKaulitz22 3 years ago 4
OMG his sweat his voice I LOVe THEM
Nawbdbest 3 years ago 3
the only hot dude in that lil band is the guitarist...hes the only normal looking "DUDE"
XxPunkRockChikaxX 3 years ago
well hes alright, but i like bill better, even though he does like girl-ish :D
rockergirrlX 3 years ago 2
nunca habia visto este vidiiiooo ^^ es el mejooooor TOKIO HOTEL ROCK!! ^^
adriankaulitz92 3 years ago 3
Best. Band. Ever.
AliceWithFriends 3 years ago 7
la ultima parte fue playpack!
juazjosez 3 years ago