Trust me,I'm not a lowlife liberal,but all these discovery's benifit only a handful of people.Scientists All this information benefits no one other then scientists.The money we spend just to find a planet 125,000 light years away is completely useless to the rest of us.It's not like we can do anything about it if we found a truly Earth like planet because of it's vast distance in space.I could understand studying planets under lets say 100 light years away,but 125,000 ? What a waste of money !
@demmylowther Discoveries like this gets us more data to better understand how solarsystems are formed and so on. Huge datasets is preferable if you want a good answer to any question, in this case how do solarsystem form and how common are planets.
And on the cost of finding a this object is very low considering the lifelength of the Hubble telescope and the massive amount of data that it has collected, the same equipment is also constantly seraching for objects that might impact earth.
Fomalhaut is interesting. With an asteroid/ice belt like that, you are likely to have many moons. Gliese 581g which was discovered just recently, is in the "Habitable Zone". It rotates very slow, much like Venus, and Venus' day is longer than its year! Venus is the only planet in Sol (Solar System) that orbits clockwise. An interesting planet would be an Earth-like planet, but tilted on its axis, much like Uranus. One side colder & dark, the other hotter & bright. Astronomy IS SO Fascinating!
This find is absolutely all those epithets that I have listed above. Such news as this should be shared with the whole world on all major news-channels. I am in astonishment knowing that this is an other planet lightyears away from our own!
@dmana3172 I do. But the sad thing is we'll only be able to stare at it... with all of the money, power and resources on this planet, we still wouldn't have enough to explore the universe to a distance where there may be other life. So instead, we will waste everything we have fighting each other like Neanderthals until we destroy ourselves and the one place we have to call home.
@Blackwater200 Do you believe there are there aliens out there somewhere that are far more advanced than us? It would be interested to find that kind of planet.
Do most of the galaxys we see from earth even exist anymore ? because of the time it takes light to travel, from what ive heard if you look at alpha centuri the light takes 10000 years to reach the telescope. so even if life was seen with a telescope (i know) it will already be 10000 years behind our time
Alpha Centauri is the closest star to our sun, it takes light only 4.3 years to reach us, so you look at it as it was 4.3 years ago. In fact 10,000 light years are 1/10th of the whole diameter of our galaxy and there are at least 10 billion stars scattered at that distance.
@YamaKazoo Wrong question. The galaxies we see from Earth exist, viewed from this point in space-time: on Earth, today. Nothing more, nothing less. That's Einstein's point: there is no common clock for the universe, there is no general "now".
@Sylverling very interesting, i think understand. but, would the galaxies we see from earth exist if we could magicly teleport to a far off one in an instant ?
@YamaKazoo Most likely yes. If they are millions of light years away. Millions of years isn't the necessary amount of time for a galaxy or even a star to drastically change. Now if they happen to billion+, then we can't imagine what they would be like.
@YamaKazoo Which is what, again according to Einstein, cannot happen. So the answer is a stone wall: since this can't happen, the question is - unfortunately - again meaningless. We have no way of accessing a perspective of space-time other than our own. We cannot go to a different point in space without also traveling the distance in time. You can't jump from one subway line to the other, you have to wait for a transfer station for the lines to intersect. Sucks to be stuck like that. :-)
@Onetazien The only galaxy that can be seen with the naked eye is the Andromeda galaxy and the Magellenic clouds. Everything else you see with the naked eye is a star from our own galaxy.
if i got chance to leave this planet, i would have takin it!...Earth is booring now, nothing else to explore:P..everything is on the map:P..face it, our planet sucks!!!!
There are so many things wrong with that statement, it's not even funny. We don't know 2/3 of what the Earth has to offer, we don't know "everything", in fact, new species are found almost daily (most are fish living in deep deep sea).
Interesting fact: Earth has been voted the most stunning stellar body in our solar system. For those interested, Saturn came in 2nd and Sun 3rd.
This is also counting comets and satelites (moons)
too bad i don't live in the sea then:P..Look, it's not supposed to be funny!
you don't get my point!.. the earth IS boring, and dangerous for that matter!..the planet screams violence and stupidity!...all we do is follow rules that doesn't make any sense, letting the governments do our choices, or turn on the news and get scared shitless about nuclear and the end of the world warnings!..this is not how i want to live!..and can't do much fun either without gettin your ass sued!
For some reason, you're previous message doesn't appear here, but I'll respond to it anyways. Just because Earth is home to a bunch of lost, illogical monsters, doesn't mean it's boring. It's not the Earth that's boring, it's the people inhabiting it who are just destructive and hostile.
If I had the chance to move away from Earth, I wouldn't, but I pray someone somewhere will land on Earth and fix our problems... realistically, that probably won't happen.
I wonder if we can use the doppler effect to detect a moon on this extrasolar planet. We now have an image of it. Don't we just need a point of light that gets shifted in frequency as something rotates around it and tugs on it?
@TheMysteriousAtheist its happening the apocalypses = revelation = science and the truth. Science is magic and alkimia only different point of view, and freedom = Internet that's the 21 of 12 of 2012 a start point for a new era.
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I really look forward to the day when everyone shares the same view, we are not white, black, asian etc. we are humans, we are from earth. then we can really start going forward.
@Helge129 That was satire you moron, We are not colours to begin with. Also, Why do you care if I am racist or not? Even more so "Racist fuck." is not an argument.
The impressing thing about the video is the explanation of the method they used to detect the planet (the sculpturing of the dust cloud), the new instrument (the Coronograph). I didn't hear about this method before, it's very smart, and the idea very brilliant.
Is there any limit on how finely we can resolve the details of a distant planet? I understand our atmosphere causes some problems, but there have been advances in adaptive optics, and there are also planned space-based telescopes. But is there any inherent physics-based limit on how finely we can make out details? (ie. like a 'barrier law')
Yes there is. Even if we got rid of all other obstacles, there's still light's quantum nature itself standing in the way. Check out this article, it explains the issue beautifully:
for the first time i felt a sense of fear... a possibility of encountering a neighboring hostile civilization...
evolution seems to favor the aggressively dominant species in the competitive quest for survival... in nature, survival supersedes moral ethics of right & wrong... thus, not all intelligent lifeforms may embrace diversity like the best of us... they could be scientifically brilliant with strong camaraderie to their own kind, but have no sense of compassion for others.
I don't think a species can be so advanced technologically and so backwards morally. A species that doesn't understand the need for tolerance and peace soon enough will most likely destroy itself before it transitions into a type I civilisation. Long before it can become dangerous to others.
If they can survive the turbulent time of transition where the insanely dangerous power of nuclear weapons is available to petty, small-minded and bigoted individuals in a world full of prejudice, it can only get better from there. The problem with fission bomb is that it's so easy to build that even small, paranoid dictatorships can do it. More sophisticated technologies require cooperation among nations and that drives a civilisation to becoming global, diverse and tolerant.
that is a great thought, but just to play devils advocate and perhaps spark some other thoughts in those who also might read these comments... i believe you are right; that a dominant species that is so technologically sophisticated would also have to have a system of ethics. also, they may have theorized a religion or diety. what are your thoughts about the aggression or tolerance level of the hyphothetical civilization depending on the fanatacism over this diety or religion?
Religions evolve too, just like our morality. Religion is definitely a catalyst for both very compassionate and very evil behaviors. So I think it's the same story as with morality; unless they've evolved their religion(s) in the right direction (or abandoned them altogether) they are unlikely to survive the transition.
as Michio Kaku mentions, type I civilizations are at peace with their own planetary species... however, what if their planet was dying and the nearest habitable planet to accommodate their eco-friendly denizens was Earth?
Even for highly evolved lifeforms, their primal nature is to avoid extinction, evident in their evolution... egotistical human thinking would assume they'd come with fruit baskets.
From a T-I perspective, man is no more than cancer to this lush, celestial blue body.
TBH I think intelligent, complex life is extremely rare in the universe (google "rare earth hypothesis") so your scenario assumes 2 ridiculously unlikely circumstances:
1. They are close enough ( a few hundred light years at most) to our planet.
2. They are on the verge of extinction but nevertheless have the capacity and resources to successfully voyage for decades and possibly centuries through space to invade another planet (I'm assuming FTL travel is impossible).
old hypothesis such as that one is meant to be disproved by subsequent technological discoveries... Hubble Ultra Deep Field images, proof of water on Mars, and first ever crude image of a planet outside our solar system are early milestones of revealing how truly unrare we could be... only a matter of time will new breakthroughs justify the mediocrity principle.
for civilizations millions of years more advanced than ours, their inter-solar scouting is probably way beyond our imagination.
Don't worry, the mediocrity principle is not threatened by rare earth (a book advocating it was published 8 years ago... an old hypothesis indeed). Besides, Copernican principle is much better pronounced in cosmology. Such details as complex life may be treated as unusual peculiarity without violating it. We don't have to dogmatically adhere to it on all scales.
I think primitive microbial life is relatively common in the universe; only complex advanced life is rare. Your last sentence still doesn't refute the fact that they can only transmit information at a speed of light. Not to mention there's no process in nature that can destroy the civilization you're describing.
all planets, stars, & even galaxies eventually die... Type III civilizations facing such threats may have the luxury of moving via warm holes or whatnot... even leading world physicists wouldn't rule out such possibilities.
it would be shortsighted to declare an impossibility to such travel when our own race has already been deemed intellectually inferior to the said advanced civilizations by millions of years...
let us not forget our precious lasers were invented merely 50 years ago.
Just think, the only species that can survive r the ones that can travel light years, we can only ever do this if we work together.
If we were alien hybrids like so many others they may be watching to see which succeeds before armagedon, they may have given us religion for this reason?
They seed other planets as we give birth, only the successful ones will ever know them as the failures will be war like, war like creatures cannot be allowed to travel/ destroy universe, if we want to live-peace
do you have a masters degree in physics, who are you to say that FTL Travel is indeed impossible for all we know there are civillisations billions of years infront of us technology wise on the other hand my friend we are still working on inter-planetary travel, meaning we still have a very long way to go to even consider FTL travel.
1.) I just killed a roach. And my conscience is not troubled at all. (It JUST MAY BE that the "hostile civilization" is US!) By the way, did you happen to notice the story about the baby seal hunt in Canada?
2.) As regards your fear of the possibility of encountering a "neighboring hostile civilization," have you read a newspaper lately? And viruses?
3.) Favors the "aggressively dominant species"? You mean like roaches? And termites?
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I wish they would stop pronouncing it FOMOLHOT. It is FO-MA-LOW.
Mal1234567 1 year ago
Trust me,I'm not a lowlife liberal,but all these discovery's benifit only a handful of people.Scientists All this information benefits no one other then scientists.The money we spend just to find a planet 125,000 light years away is completely useless to the rest of us.It's not like we can do anything about it if we found a truly Earth like planet because of it's vast distance in space.I could understand studying planets under lets say 100 light years away,but 125,000 ? What a waste of money !
demmylowther 1 year ago
@demmylowther Discoveries like this gets us more data to better understand how solarsystems are formed and so on. Huge datasets is preferable if you want a good answer to any question, in this case how do solarsystem form and how common are planets.
And on the cost of finding a this object is very low considering the lifelength of the Hubble telescope and the massive amount of data that it has collected, the same equipment is also constantly seraching for objects that might impact earth.
IvarNordman 1 year ago
Fomalhaut is interesting. With an asteroid/ice belt like that, you are likely to have many moons. Gliese 581g which was discovered just recently, is in the "Habitable Zone". It rotates very slow, much like Venus, and Venus' day is longer than its year! Venus is the only planet in Sol (Solar System) that orbits clockwise. An interesting planet would be an Earth-like planet, but tilted on its axis, much like Uranus. One side colder & dark, the other hotter & bright. Astronomy IS SO Fascinating!
KarbineKyle 1 year ago
Amazing. Breathtaking. Wondrous. Astounding. Magnificent. Glorious.
This find is absolutely all those epithets that I have listed above. Such news as this should be shared with the whole world on all major news-channels. I am in astonishment knowing that this is an other planet lightyears away from our own!
AVIATIO 1 year ago 2
did they find any small planets in alpha centari?
MultiIPwnage 1 year ago
@dmana3172 I do. But the sad thing is we'll only be able to stare at it... with all of the money, power and resources on this planet, we still wouldn't have enough to explore the universe to a distance where there may be other life. So instead, we will waste everything we have fighting each other like Neanderthals until we destroy ourselves and the one place we have to call home.
5loi 1 year ago
I hope the aliens on those planets don't have racism like Earth has on it.
Blackwater200 1 year ago
@Blackwater200 Do you believe there are there aliens out there somewhere that are far more advanced than us? It would be interested to find that kind of planet.
dmana3172 1 year ago
more cowbell!
stephenramsden 1 year ago
Would be nice for Hubble to take another photo of this system again (now in 2010). To keep track of the travel of the planet.
laney50w 1 year ago
Do most of the galaxys we see from earth even exist anymore ? because of the time it takes light to travel, from what ive heard if you look at alpha centuri the light takes 10000 years to reach the telescope. so even if life was seen with a telescope (i know) it will already be 10000 years behind our time
YamaKazoo 1 year ago
@YamaKazoo
Alpha Centauri is the closest star to our sun, it takes light only 4.3 years to reach us, so you look at it as it was 4.3 years ago. In fact 10,000 light years are 1/10th of the whole diameter of our galaxy and there are at least 10 billion stars scattered at that distance.
ClinicalAttacked 1 year ago
@ClinicalAttacked fascinating stuff, thanks for the info.
Bring on light speed travel i say !!!
YamaKazoo 1 year ago
@YamaKazoo Wrong question. The galaxies we see from Earth exist, viewed from this point in space-time: on Earth, today. Nothing more, nothing less. That's Einstein's point: there is no common clock for the universe, there is no general "now".
Sylverling 1 year ago 2
@Sylverling very interesting, i think understand. but, would the galaxies we see from earth exist if we could magicly teleport to a far off one in an instant ?
YamaKazoo 1 year ago
@YamaKazoo Most likely yes. If they are millions of light years away. Millions of years isn't the necessary amount of time for a galaxy or even a star to drastically change. Now if they happen to billion+, then we can't imagine what they would be like.
zzzIdividedbyzerozzz 1 year ago 2
@YamaKazoo Which is what, again according to Einstein, cannot happen. So the answer is a stone wall: since this can't happen, the question is - unfortunately - again meaningless. We have no way of accessing a perspective of space-time other than our own. We cannot go to a different point in space without also traveling the distance in time. You can't jump from one subway line to the other, you have to wait for a transfer station for the lines to intersect. Sucks to be stuck like that. :-)
Sylverling 1 year ago
this is an excellent show, and I wish you'd upload more often...
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
This is a lie, there is no extrasolar planet.
tgz1000 1 year ago
@tgz1000 Your right, there are hundreds, not just one.
ShortytheSquirrel 1 year ago
Many 'stars' that we see at night are actually galaxies.
Onetazien 1 year ago
@Onetazien The only galaxy that can be seen with the naked eye is the Andromeda galaxy and the Magellenic clouds. Everything else you see with the naked eye is a star from our own galaxy.
poochpoints 1 year ago
Let's build a Death Star.
BarryDennen12 1 year ago
lol @ 8:50 Sara you almost fucked yourself over hahahah
xXNoseXgrinDXx 1 year ago
This is amazing. I remember as a teenager reading Isaac Asimov's Galactic Empire novels where Fomalhaut had an inhabited planet!
Science-Fiction is becoming Science-FACT!!
ImperatorDerGalaxis 1 year ago
These scientists are the real stars not the Hollywood people. Interesting video thank you for sharing it.
amethystiumm 2 years ago 7
@amethystiumm indeed
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UglyKidMetallica81 2 years ago
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UglyKidMetallica81 2 years ago
if i got chance to leave this planet, i would have takin it!...Earth is booring now, nothing else to explore:P..everything is on the map:P..face it, our planet sucks!!!!
UglyKidMetallica81 2 years ago
There are so many things wrong with that statement, it's not even funny. We don't know 2/3 of what the Earth has to offer, we don't know "everything", in fact, new species are found almost daily (most are fish living in deep deep sea).
Interesting fact: Earth has been voted the most stunning stellar body in our solar system. For those interested, Saturn came in 2nd and Sun 3rd.
This is also counting comets and satelites (moons)
Earth is by no means boring. ;)
DrunkenLeprechaunPro 2 years ago 3
too bad i don't live in the sea then:P..Look, it's not supposed to be funny!
you don't get my point!.. the earth IS boring, and dangerous for that matter!..the planet screams violence and stupidity!...all we do is follow rules that doesn't make any sense, letting the governments do our choices, or turn on the news and get scared shitless about nuclear and the end of the world warnings!..this is not how i want to live!..and can't do much fun either without gettin your ass sued!
UglyKidMetallica81 2 years ago
sorry for not being optimistic x)
UglyKidMetallica81 2 years ago
For some reason, you're previous message doesn't appear here, but I'll respond to it anyways. Just because Earth is home to a bunch of lost, illogical monsters, doesn't mean it's boring. It's not the Earth that's boring, it's the people inhabiting it who are just destructive and hostile.
If I had the chance to move away from Earth, I wouldn't, but I pray someone somewhere will land on Earth and fix our problems... realistically, that probably won't happen.
DrunkenLeprechaunPro 2 years ago
I wonder if we can use the doppler effect to detect a moon on this extrasolar planet. We now have an image of it. Don't we just need a point of light that gets shifted in frequency as something rotates around it and tugs on it?
gobo1357 2 years ago
Good point. Studies of the composition of these planets and their atmospheres will be interesting too.
HerculesSpock 2 years ago
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Oh My God!! Who the Hell CARES?!?!?! BORING!!
ckobo84 2 years ago
If it's so boring then why did you watch? This is a big step in extrasolar planetary astronomy. :/
mitzimybff 2 years ago 5
Most Depressing Comment Ever.
Drive571 2 years ago
Try using your imagination and curiosity, ckobo84. Some day in the remote future, our descendants might visit planets like Fomalhaut b.
leporidus 2 years ago
Wow this Hubble astronomer is hot. Interesting vid btw.
SuperEcoGirl 2 years ago
No its actually 'The Allseeing Eye'.
Its pure eeeevil!! Beware!
smokkapi 2 years ago
Its Planet X! Has to be!!:P
(Kidding)
smokkapi 2 years ago
Formal The Haut lives on Tatooine, doesn't he?
nostromo38 2 years ago
Yes and The Hauts are vile gangsters.
CausalObserver74 2 years ago
most people don't care about extrasolar planets unless they have the possibility of having little green men on them.
TheAspergerBoy 2 years ago 4
is there some good looking poontang on it?
jasong19711 2 years ago
yeah, yeah just tell us what we all wanna hear, does it have aliens on it??!?!!?
superpantman 2 years ago
its a gas giant (a.k.a NO)
hazzaza1 2 years ago
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calamityjane5000 2 years ago
the 2012 scaremongering is BS. Nothiong is happening.
TheMysteriousAtheist 2 years ago 21
I must disagree..
knowpassword 2 years ago
and your a moron.
TheMysteriousAtheist 2 years ago
have you been seeing numbers 911?
knowpassword 2 years ago
@TheMysteriousAtheist how can you be so stupid.??...and blind.
thumperdavis 1 year ago
@TheMysteriousAtheist December 21, 2012 is the first day of the 14th b'ak'tun.
boipinoi604 1 year ago
@TheMysteriousAtheist its happening the apocalypses = revelation = science and the truth. Science is magic and alkimia only different point of view, and freedom = Internet that's the 21 of 12 of 2012 a start point for a new era.
tenisplayer 5 months ago
@tenisplayer You are a moron.
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cpisretartedmuch 2 years ago
I really look forward to the day when everyone shares the same view, we are not white, black, asian etc. we are humans, we are from earth. then we can really start going forward.
Kinger68 2 years ago 38
I extremely agree my friend.
HiMyNameIsImran 2 years ago
Bravo Brotha! Coolest words I've ever read on your tube ;-)
IlluminousUthra 2 years ago
@Kinger68 if you think about it, we're just babies fighting over who gets the pacifier lol
xXNoseXgrinDXx 1 year ago
@Kinger68 Well said.
legion3721 1 year ago
@Kinger68
Thats not the core problem.
The core problem is that people are acting like fools.
Inmatinus 1 year ago
@Kinger68 Those humans would be white.
TheEnglishAtheist1 10 months ago
@TheEnglishAtheist1 Racist fuck.
Helge129 7 months ago
@Helge129 That was satire you moron, We are not colours to begin with. Also, Why do you care if I am racist or not? Even more so "Racist fuck." is not an argument.
TheEnglishAtheist1 7 months ago
The impressing thing about the video is the explanation of the method they used to detect the planet (the sculpturing of the dust cloud), the new instrument (the Coronograph). I didn't hear about this method before, it's very smart, and the idea very brilliant.
hrbear 3 years ago
no offense but in my opinion the lady tried way too harder than the first 2
Pal2122 3 years ago
Where is the "direct image"?
ursamajor1977 3 years ago
around 2.25, more of a blob!
tpvalley 2 years ago
Absolutley wonderful vid. I really enjoyed it.
AmyK007 3 years ago
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lazislam 3 years ago
Imagine there being 10 Earth-like planets orbiting the inner solar system!? D:
yottaparsec 3 years ago 2
Need more living space...
Earth is already overpopulated...
ascendrian 3 years ago 2
Is there any limit on how finely we can resolve the details of a distant planet? I understand our atmosphere causes some problems, but there have been advances in adaptive optics, and there are also planned space-based telescopes. But is there any inherent physics-based limit on how finely we can make out details? (ie. like a 'barrier law')
manofsan 3 years ago
Yes there is. Even if we got rid of all other obstacles, there's still light's quantum nature itself standing in the way. Check out this article, it explains the issue beautifully:
astronomycafe(.)net/anthol/remote(.)html
Jacnas 3 years ago
Fascinating stuff!..thanks for the upload!
MickB0529 3 years ago
Humans aren't as special as we've always thought. It's wild to think about. ;)
ssnatcherss 3 years ago
for the first time i felt a sense of fear... a possibility of encountering a neighboring hostile civilization...
evolution seems to favor the aggressively dominant species in the competitive quest for survival... in nature, survival supersedes moral ethics of right & wrong... thus, not all intelligent lifeforms may embrace diversity like the best of us... they could be scientifically brilliant with strong camaraderie to their own kind, but have no sense of compassion for others.
pigu0606 3 years ago
I don't think a species can be so advanced technologically and so backwards morally. A species that doesn't understand the need for tolerance and peace soon enough will most likely destroy itself before it transitions into a type I civilisation. Long before it can become dangerous to others.
Jacnas 3 years ago 6
If they can survive the turbulent time of transition where the insanely dangerous power of nuclear weapons is available to petty, small-minded and bigoted individuals in a world full of prejudice, it can only get better from there. The problem with fission bomb is that it's so easy to build that even small, paranoid dictatorships can do it. More sophisticated technologies require cooperation among nations and that drives a civilisation to becoming global, diverse and tolerant.
Jacnas 3 years ago
that is a great thought, but just to play devils advocate and perhaps spark some other thoughts in those who also might read these comments... i believe you are right; that a dominant species that is so technologically sophisticated would also have to have a system of ethics. also, they may have theorized a religion or diety. what are your thoughts about the aggression or tolerance level of the hyphothetical civilization depending on the fanatacism over this diety or religion?
johnnywhiteshoe 3 years ago
Religions evolve too, just like our morality. Religion is definitely a catalyst for both very compassionate and very evil behaviors. So I think it's the same story as with morality; unless they've evolved their religion(s) in the right direction (or abandoned them altogether) they are unlikely to survive the transition.
Jacnas 3 years ago
as Michio Kaku mentions, type I civilizations are at peace with their own planetary species... however, what if their planet was dying and the nearest habitable planet to accommodate their eco-friendly denizens was Earth?
Even for highly evolved lifeforms, their primal nature is to avoid extinction, evident in their evolution... egotistical human thinking would assume they'd come with fruit baskets.
From a T-I perspective, man is no more than cancer to this lush, celestial blue body.
pigu0606 3 years ago
TBH I think intelligent, complex life is extremely rare in the universe (google "rare earth hypothesis") so your scenario assumes 2 ridiculously unlikely circumstances:
1. They are close enough ( a few hundred light years at most) to our planet.
2. They are on the verge of extinction but nevertheless have the capacity and resources to successfully voyage for decades and possibly centuries through space to invade another planet (I'm assuming FTL travel is impossible).
Jacnas 3 years ago
old hypothesis such as that one is meant to be disproved by subsequent technological discoveries... Hubble Ultra Deep Field images, proof of water on Mars, and first ever crude image of a planet outside our solar system are early milestones of revealing how truly unrare we could be... only a matter of time will new breakthroughs justify the mediocrity principle.
for civilizations millions of years more advanced than ours, their inter-solar scouting is probably way beyond our imagination.
pigu0606 3 years ago
Don't worry, the mediocrity principle is not threatened by rare earth (a book advocating it was published 8 years ago... an old hypothesis indeed). Besides, Copernican principle is much better pronounced in cosmology. Such details as complex life may be treated as unusual peculiarity without violating it. We don't have to dogmatically adhere to it on all scales.
Jacnas 3 years ago
I think primitive microbial life is relatively common in the universe; only complex advanced life is rare. Your last sentence still doesn't refute the fact that they can only transmit information at a speed of light. Not to mention there's no process in nature that can destroy the civilization you're describing.
Jacnas 3 years ago
all planets, stars, & even galaxies eventually die... Type III civilizations facing such threats may have the luxury of moving via warm holes or whatnot... even leading world physicists wouldn't rule out such possibilities.
it would be shortsighted to declare an impossibility to such travel when our own race has already been deemed intellectually inferior to the said advanced civilizations by millions of years...
let us not forget our precious lasers were invented merely 50 years ago.
pigu0606 3 years ago
Just think, the only species that can survive r the ones that can travel light years, we can only ever do this if we work together.
If we were alien hybrids like so many others they may be watching to see which succeeds before armagedon, they may have given us religion for this reason?
They seed other planets as we give birth, only the successful ones will ever know them as the failures will be war like, war like creatures cannot be allowed to travel/ destroy universe, if we want to live-peace
tpvalley 3 years ago
100% speculation, 0% fact.
salbrismind 2 years ago
do you have a masters degree in physics, who are you to say that FTL Travel is indeed impossible for all we know there are civillisations billions of years infront of us technology wise on the other hand my friend we are still working on inter-planetary travel, meaning we still have a very long way to go to even consider FTL travel.
grenade0wnyou 3 years ago
One need not have a masters degree in physics to have an opinion on FTL travel.
mebkick01 3 years ago 5
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fuck up smart arse
grenade0wnyou 3 years ago
No thanks. I can type here just like you.
mebkick01 3 years ago 3
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thats fuckin wonderful ill give you 5 cents and you can ring all your friends and tell them how fucking awesome you are ok
grenade0wnyou 3 years ago
No need. My friends already know I'm awesome. They tell me all the time.
mebkick01 3 years ago 3
LOL
williamday247 2 years ago
Great comment. May I add the following?
1.) I just killed a roach. And my conscience is not troubled at all. (It JUST MAY BE that the "hostile civilization" is US!) By the way, did you happen to notice the story about the baby seal hunt in Canada?
2.) As regards your fear of the possibility of encountering a "neighboring hostile civilization," have you read a newspaper lately? And viruses?
3.) Favors the "aggressively dominant species"? You mean like roaches? And termites?
opchidexio 3 years ago
Thanks so much for posting this, very cool news. I'm going to mirror this video on my site if you don't mind. More people need to see this!
studio7manga 3 years ago
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Glad to help spread the news.
BrunoTheQuestionable 3 years ago