A good majority of police won't use anything less than .40 because of stopping power when faced with only being allowed to shoot center mass and lower. Headshots being reserved for snipers... As for the military switching to 9mm; it was because NATO wants us to be more "humane" and not kill who we shoot. same reason we use 5.56 (.223 Remington) when we used to use a .30-06 semi-automatic as our basic infantry weapon...Politics will continue to get our soldiers killed for the rest of history.
And, I'm a .45 man; I carry .45's, but even a .22 will kill you. Find the tool that works for you, and ignore the snobs who hate on whatever ammunition because they put their money into something else, having no training or tactical experience. The military as a whole has had plenty of chances to change their weapons, and if 5.56 mm's and 9mm's didn't kill, they would have. People have different thresh holds, and different tools are used for different jobs.
I saw a report on the potency of ammunition and how different rounds compare to one and other, based on a decade of thorough research. It addressed allot of factors that really make a difference in a real gun fight, not just which is bigger and other basics that are most often sited. What it came down to is the only major efficiency gap between small arm ammo is between pistol and long gun ammo. If you look at the science of stopping power and dynamics of real combat, it makes allot of sense.
Hell a crossbow or bow and arrow will kill someone. So why wouldn't a 9mm be effective. Sure saved my ass plenty of times in Afghan-land those sons of bitches are scared of handguns.
Any round will protect you if you hit your intended target. I've carried everything from 17hmr to 45LC and everything in between. None of them are good to be shot. In the video, the shooter does a fine job of landing lots of lead on a human size target. Whatever round you use, if you were to have the accuracy of the shooter in the video, will be deadly. JMHO
I have shot 1911's for years and used to think .45acp was the only handgun round you could pick if you were serious about self defense but after a year in Iraq and seeing what the body can withstand from bullets I dont think there is a nickels difference between ANY handgun round. Shoot what your comfortable with and PRACTICE!
well the 9mm is a better round for penetrating armor because it is a much faster and higher velocity round. you can shoot a 9mm alot faster than a 45. and even though it is alot lighter bullet, there is technically about the same amount of powder to lead in a 9mm, so there is just as much "power" in each, but i would personally like to throw out more rounds faster and more accurately.
The human body is a very frail, fragile organism. With thin skin, relatively small skeletal system, and unprotected vital organs. A steak knife thrusted by a small framed woman can kill a person instantly. Think of what an expanding, extremely hot, slug going 1250 feet per second can do, that when it hits, usually has 6 razor sharp pedals protruding from it acting like a meat grinder as it cuts in a circular motion through flesh at near supersonic speeds? Yes, a 9mm is an effective weapon.
True that any round to the head would be fatal, but "training to hit the head" is unrealistic. Anyone can shoot a steel silhouette in the head in training. A steel silhouette us not sprinting cover to cover, peaking around corners, or shooting back.
The most elite units in the world don't even train their operators to enter a room and start taking head shots. That's only in the movies.
To @FlagrantAvidity There was a shootout in the 90's where the assailant took 16 .45ACP's and two blasts from a 12 gauge before finally bleeding to death while driving off. Need I say more????
The 9mm is a great round, and its all about shot placement. To those who keep knocking the 9mm and pumping the .45. The .357 mag is far superior to the .45ACP in terms of ballistic performance.
the 9mm gets a bad rap because, primarily, of the miami shootout debacle back about 30 years ago. at the time 9mm round technology made the .45 ACP the best round for being a manstopper. But over the years 9mm technology has come along way and modern tests show that now the modern 9mm rounds have the same energy as some (not all) .45 and .40 caliber rounds and are far more accurate because of reduced recoil. There is a reason 90% of the worlds police use this round these days.
thats bs, its all about the 45 acp to stay alive ok shithead. how many shots you need to put your target down huh dumb fuck???? 1 shot with the 45 is all youll need, 1 fucking shot ok so dont posion the minds other americans IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOUR TALKING ABOUT OK DUMBASS. so stick your 9mm up your fucking ass ??? ASSHOLE
you put a hallow point 9mm round in someone, it will stop them. plus i like how i can get 9mm ammo almost anywhere cheap to! but i like all guns, but it is different for everyone.
@breezyatv90 The Remington UMC JHP is affordable, reliable, and more than up to the task of stopping someone. I also like the EFMJ rounds put out by federal (the ONLY federal round that I like in fact). Ive been itching to try the Hornady Expqanding monoblock rounds as well since they would be quite versatile if they work as advertised.
Oh for those saying .38 or 9mm don't have stopping power the problem is over penetration the shell will have a tendancy to go through a body cavity rather than say ripping through your abdomen and settling on your intestines creating a nice cartaurizing effect, as the .45acp does so well, but like one poster said .22 can kill a deere and goes to show it doesn't matter if you have .17 or a .50 bmg you just have to how to use it
@stevenmiller279 If you are over penetrating on a 9mm then its because of either using FMJ rounds or bad JHP rounds. If your JHP gets plugged before expanding it basically functions as an FMJ. If you worry about that happening then EMFJ rounds or the JHPs by Hornady can remedy this problem. Also, the .22LR gets a bad rap. Yes itys got pathetic energy, but with a CCI Minimag 40gr you can do the job.
9mm was designed for average joe thug not wearing any sort of armour, in which case your primary goal is to get your point across without killing him if possible, you spray two or three rounds in his chest or stomache odds are he won't wanna play anymore, on the other hands a hardened criminal is like a bear if you don't take a more drastic measure to neutralize you may just piss it off
@fike301 shot placement ALWAYS beats out caliber. A 22LR to the head is better than a .40 to the arm or a .45 to the kidney. One can argue "how well will you aim in an ermergency situation?" and One could argue right back "How well will your nervous hands hold onto the high recoil of a 45 as opposed to a .380 in the same situation?"
Yes a 9mm with protect you! I prefer .40 as many do......but point a 9 at me and I'll be just as afraid of dieing as if you pointed a .40 or .45. It's not like any of these rounds are a .300 Weatherby with a hunting type bullet. (that would be a 1 shot stop on anyone, regardless of their size or state of mind.) You have to keep shooting until the threat is over with any of these.
i carry a 9mm with either smart rounds or black talons, the fact is with the proper training i can drop someone with run of the mill rounds when positioned right dead center. all round are lethal, just ask any dumb hunter who has killed a deer with a 22lr (yes there are many, although not really legal).
Of course you can down an attacker with a 9. You can down a guy with a .22 if you dump your mag in him...doesn't mean I'm gonna carry a .22 Just admit it, a .45 is the better stopping power.
Both parties are trying to take away our rights. I feel it is important to point out bc our rights are being trampled by all politicians and nobody is doing anything about it
They are a good round. It is the training that is the biggest factor...not the caliber. Most of your standard threats are not wearing body armor. Do not bring in law enforcement...different environmen
yeah if i put 100 rounds of .22 on a target it would still protect me.. its not the caliber of the bullet or how many you send down range, but where you put it.
ok, from a physics stand point, a small projectile travling over 1000 feet/ps will do alot of damage to a target, so for home defence or when your out and about, against an unarmored target they will do just fine.
I agree...a 9mm would do just fine. The most important thing people tend to forget is that although IF someone is proficient with ANY caliber, that doesnt mean they will be if someone is coming after them to kill them. A metal/paper target isnt going to attack you, which doesnt properly train ANYTHING. If you're going to spend $500ish on a pistol to conceal, $80-$100 for a class, and $90ish for the actual licence, plus money to buy ammo to practice with, spend the money on a great tactical class
To be honest I think any caliber will protect you.. a 32acp will put some hurt on an atacker more than harsh language anway, and 3-4 well placed shots from even a 32acp will give you time to get away.. a 45acp with hollowpoints will make minced meat of whatever it hits, and IMHO I beleve that's overkill. I don't wanna kill anybody, just scare him of so I can escape.
the reason people say that 9mm dont have stopping power is that people in the military that have shot enemys with them must use full metal jacket bullets. also the police that tested them on criminals did so in the 1980-1990s hollow points have come along way since then.
Lol, "looks harmless to me." Yeah if a pimp with a .25 can kill people, I'm sure an experienced shooter with a 9mm could do some damage. I always laugh at people that say the 9mm is a joke and invite them to stand in front of one, they never do.
9mm are very deadly just like any size bullet but the truth is that they do not hit hard enough and there penitration is way too high. At close range they just fly right though you soft target like nothing. Unlike a .45 that hits like a sledge hammer. Here is a video of a police officer in a shoot out with a crazy vetran, he hits this guy at least once probably more though and it doesnt even faze the guy. WARNING this is a graphic sad ass video. youtube.com/watch?v=GX5kwVc9IOk
The problem with the 9mm is windshields and ballistic vests.
Law enforcement agencies are shying away from it for those reasons.
However a 9mm is still fine for personal defense in a concealed carry or in the home.
Personal preference is the key in this argument. I carry a .45 because that is what I prefer. Never would I laugh at someone who carries a 9mm...a bullet can be fatal no matter the size.
No disappointment whatsoever. Actually some 9mm and .45 ammunition are specifically designed to penetrate bullet resistant vests, but these rounds have been banned by our friends over at the ATF.
I do understand what you are getting at though. Law indigent likes to learn from their mistakes. The north Hollywood shootout spawned AR-15's in cop cars now. That is closer to the point I was making...sorry for the ambiguity.
@WorthyofJustice Ballistic vests for the most part will protect you from most pistol calibers.. Aside from the magnums, but what cop will ever carry a magnum than you have the problem of excessive force if used on a person without ballistic protection..
The type of ammunition that law enforcement uses has nothing to do with excessive force in this case.
Agencies regularly issue high grain ball ammunition or hollow point. They do not however issue special purpose ammunition for handguns. They don't want over penetration, yet they want good transfer of kinetic energy on impact. Its a balancing act that they have been attempting to perform for decades.
Imagine this: Walking home from work late one night. Mugger jumps from dark alley with a huge rusty knife and demands money. You hand him your wallet yet he is still standing here. You begin to realize that he has more than just robbery on his mind...so you push him away as you draw the Glock 19 (9mm) from your waistband. Just as you raise your gun to fire tackles you. You shoot him twice in the chest on the way down yet he is still stabbing you..you fire again..and again.
@WorthyofJustice If I recall, the US army came back for the old 45 single army for a while because the standard .38 lacked stopping power against drugged enemies. I can't remember when did that happen though
@germanban The"Philippine-American war" 1899. The U.S. Army needed a cartridge that had more stopping power than the .38, but manageable recoil. The Filipino warriors were really motivated and very commonly would get very high before a battle to tolerate normally crippling amounts of pain.
The .45 was that round. It transferred enough kinetic energy on impact to knock the biggest, strongest, and highest Filipino warrior on his ass no matter his tolerance for pain..
@WorthyofJustice I will give you the knife and 3 paces, I will have a .380 (small than a 9). Lets find out how many times you can stab me before you physically can not anymore. READY?
What my point is that when its a surprise (like % 99 of all criminal encounters) you will have literally only 1-3 seconds to react..that time includes making your decision to shoot me, drawing your weapon, and firing enough times to stop me. If I'm high out if my mind and an willing to stab you to death over your watch, phone and wallet do you honestly feel that you could stop me with a .380? If you say yes then you must be a Navy Seal right?
@WorthyofJustice Yes I do, no I am not a seal. Proficiency with a firearm takes a good teacher and practice, if you don't think you can do it you need to practice more and become proficient. Then again who knows, perhaps an act of god will stop the bullets from hitting any vital organ, including someones head.
@FlagrantAvidity The bad guy starts walking away, and obviously gets hit several more times until a vital organ (head) shot drops him dead immediately. The LEO to the right had the opportunity to take him down, but he hesitated and the bad guy turns and pushes the gun out of his face.
He gets shot and and he turns and walks away. Your scenario, while plausible, is still crap.
If by "crap" you mean "logical" or "right" then yes.
I have no faith in the 9mm because of my experience with this round. Its not my table top or range opinion. I formed my opinion in the field.
If you love the 9mm then continue to defend it, I will not argue with you. We can however both agree that we would not enjoy getting shot with either round.
@WorthyofJustice how is someone high out of there mind getting close enough to me to stab me without my noticing? It is true that the .380 is the wimpy cousin of the 9mm and as such it lacks the kinetic energy needed to be a true manstopper (which is to say it cant stop a man based on energy alone) BUT if you know youve got a 380 aiming for the femur, knees, or head will drop an opponent just the same.
If you have not noticed, the "bad guys" don't like attacking their victims head on or alone. They will prefer to hide in the shadows, or behind concealment and ambush you..
In a situation where you are in a close quarter fight for your life that round needs to put your attacker(s) down as fast as possible. If you prefer a .380 then by all means carry a .380, but just hope if the situation calls for you to fire that the .380 will be enough
There is a video of two police officers shooting a criminal over ten times in his upper torso.(called "Police shooting video #1)
It isn't until the officer on the left shoots him twice in the back of the head does he finally drop.These officers were carrying 9mm Glocks..need I say more?
@WorthyofJustice Definitely impressive, it is hard to tell from the video exactly, but I counted right around 10 shots based on the muzzle flash. I would like to know how many hit; you can tell he was hit several times until something vital was hit (head).
However your scenario is off base, based on this video. As you can see, after the LEO has a firearm to the "bad guys" head, the bad guy starts walking away. (The LEO hesitated and didn't fire and he should have, bad guy pointed a gun.)
@WorthyofJustice I agree, but with one addition so that people don't get a wrong impression - the .45 performance with ballistic vest penetration is even worse than 9mm
@WorthyofJustice Why did our military switch from using 1911's (.45) to M9's (9mm)? Because of higher ammo capacity and less kick so they are able to throw more lead out, faster, and just as accurate.
Ask any member of the US military (who has been in combat) if they like the 9mm. They will all say "hell no".
I've seen an insurgent who had 13 9mm bullet wounds to his legs and torso and was able to flee the area on foot and return 15 minutes later to counter-attack a platoon of Soldiers from the 3rd ID.
I'm not going to beg you to believe me. I am telling you what happened.
Every caliber has its pros and cons. Would I trust a 9mm with my life? Hell no, because I have seen it fail first hand at stopping someone. Would I spend a day shooting 1000 rounds of 9mm at steel and paper targets? Hell yes because its fun!
@WorthyofJustice How wrong you are. A .45 can fail to stop someone. A 1911 .45 that jams, is gonna fail to stop someone. If you shoot someone on LCP, Acid, Angel Dust, all those drugs, with a .45 in the chest, if there mad you wont stop them. How many people have been stopped and killed with a 9mm? .45 is a stupid concealed carry caliber IMO because you can only carry a few rounds. 40 is the best, good power, good amount of rounds. How many people get killed with .380 or .22?
@gshdrums There you go again with these perfect world examples. A 1911 only jams if you dont take care of it (just like any gun)
And yes, a 45 to the chest will stop someone high on whatever drug. The round is bigger, slower, and transfers more kinetic energy to the target. I have seen this shit first hand and would only use a 9mm for one thing...range practice.
@WorthyofJustice No, a .45 in any handgun smart ass....I was just using a 1911 for an example cause it is the most common gun that shoots it. Yeah well you could also be lieing like most people on here and not seen it. And how many cops shoot people with a 9mm and they drop and die from one shot? You can stay biast with your .45. And it is very possible a .45 to the chest may not stop someone. That has been proven. Any bullet cant stop anyone.
I apologize, I'm not trying to be a smartass. I will admit that that I am a bit biased as far as the .45 is concerned.
However I do not fabricate stories to try and prove a point. I have seen the 9mm fail horribly as a "man stopper". So because of this I have issues with the actual reliable stopping power of the 9mm. I dont argue however that the 9mm is or isnt fatal because it is.
.45 is my personal preference and I respect that you may disagree with me.
@WorthyofJustice .45 is great, but you dont get many rounds, and alot of people cant handle it. a 9mm is a great self defense round, even a .380.......It is all some people can handle....22 kill more people every year than any other bullet. I would rather 15 rounds of .40 than 7 of .45...........If you like it carry it. What im saying is i dont think you NEED a .45.....But if you can shoot it and thats what you like great
@WorthyofJustice Kinetic Energy=.5(Mass)(Velocity^2).This means that a bullet with a higher velocity in comparison to something with a proportional mass will have more KE.For example,if you have a .45 with a mass of .05kg and a velocity of 287m/s, when a 9mm might have 3/4 the mass and 2x the velocity, this would give the 9mm more KE,just to be technical. Maybe what you are saying is that since the bullet is flying so fast,it will pass cleanly through,not much stopping power?
I was referring more to the stopping power and the actual trauma caused by these rounds. Its like comparing crashing a Honda civic in to a building going 80 mph and crashing a Freightliner 18 Wheeler with a 20,000lb loaded trailer going 50mph.
@WorthyofJustice It really is not about the bullet when it comes to 9 40 and 45, it is about how big the person is, adrenlin, anger, drugs......A normal guy is gonna be dropped pretty decent by a 9mm, if not a double tap.
@gshdrums While that may be true in the perfect world.. In the real world you must prepare for the worst case scenario. The worst case scenario is a 6 foot plus 350lb prison escapee who is high on pcp and wants to kill you. In the perfect world he would present himself from down the street giving you ample time to get a few well aimed shots on target before he harms you.
In reality he and some friends will ambush you from your blindside..then what? A 9mm wont help because this is reality.
@Rokuema Don't think the military makes its decisions for tactical reasons. Decisions are always made for political reasons--that's what happens with the military is run by civilians. We'll just have to live with that if we don't want to live in a communist regime. Both 9mm and .45 have advantages and disadvantages--neither is "better" than the other. Different situations require different solutions.
Is a 9mm good enough?! Im pretty sure there was never a shoot out where the perp was hit with a 9 and simply laughed and said, ' Your puny bullets are useless against me! Shouldve used a bigger caliber!!!' I promise, if you get center mass grouping with a 9, you WILL cause organ failure.
all i have is a .22 and people say its not good enough. well, im accurate with it, and i can hold 8 shots in the mag at once, ill hit with at least 75% and im sure the "attacker" will choose to cease his attempts lol
Oh and also you have to look at knock down power its not Luke the movies you shoot bad guy bad guy dies with lots of fmj rounds you must hit vital area and in the dark engaging target may not be so easy and bullet will enter and exit the body not saying it won't hurt but I would not use the same round for practice that I would for self defense
I'm a 1911 guy I have a colt 1911 in 45 and a gsg 1911 in 22 you can defend your self with a 22 you can easily stay on target and empty a magazine in a 22 by the time it takes some one to get back on target with a 45 pluse a 22 round will tumble upon entry you could shoot assaultet in stomach and come out in the throat
Navy Seals, US Army, etc generally carry 9mm because of weight and numbers of rounds you can haul. I'm sure they would prefer 40 or 45. I know there is a big difference when I carry my sub-compact 9 vs my compact 45. I feel the weight after a few hours ...but I agree with others as far as being able to use the gun effectively. A quick draw with good shot placement will trump a clumsy, slow fool with a 45 any day.
a man was killed not too long ago in my neck of the woods with a ruger MK III. He tried breaking into a house and received one 36 gr bullet to the chest and died on the spot from 'Multiple organ system ruptures'. The bullet bounced off of his spine and ribs rupturing his heart, lungs, stomach liver and pancreas.
It's just a matter of personal opinion. Anything is better than nothing but it comes down to how competent you are with your weapon of choice no matter the caliber.
If you put a 9mm round ANYWHERE in someones head or neck then they wont be going anywhere, unless you skim there head but if you can get that close then try again and you'll probably hit their brain.
@GrimpWnzyou Watch YouTube video "Modern Gunfighter Lance Thomas on Justice files". Lance was shot in the neck on two separate occasions & 3 times in the shoulder by attempted armed robbers.
a 9mm is a small VERY fast bullet that (CAN not will but CAN) over penetrate. if ur would be attacker it a 6'5" 285 lb man high on coke, i would rather have that big slow 45, than that small fast nine............... if the bullet goes through them it doesnt drop them. ppl get shot by 9mm a lot and dont even know it til later. i dont wanna have to empty the entire mag into anyone. @ the end of the day i wanna protect myself and fam, not kill ppl cause to feel safe i had 2 shot them 11 times
@supakamario Your insinuating that the entire line of 9mm bullets are prone to over-penetrate. Sure the 9mm +p FMJ may over-penetrate the lower center mass region but so would a .45acp in 200gr or 230gr FMJ. I wouldn't recommend using FMJ ammo of any pistol caliber for personal defense. I'd prefer to defend my life against a lethal attack from a 6'-5"/285lb Coke-Head, using heavy for caliber 9mm +p bonded JHP@ 1,050-fps rather than .45acp FMJ@950 fps. Rapid expansion & deep cutting petals will-
@supakamario sever blood vessels & arteries while delivering all it's energy to the center mass of a human attacker. A 9mm +P, JHP creates a very nice temp/permanent stretch cavity & can easily sever the CNS with a single shot. I've never heard of anybody who was shot center mass by a 9mm bullet & didn't realize they were wounded. Even the drugged out POS thugs from the 86 Miami shootout knew they were (9mm-FMJ & .38 FMJ) shot. Your family's doomed if your 2 shot accuracy can't stop an attacker.
The 9mm is an excellent round. It has outstanding ballistics, low recoil and is cheap to buy and practice with. In terms of protection...let me put it like this; a .22LR can kill you, therefore a 9mm is more than enough to get the job done. Personally, I like the 9mm, .40 S&W, and the .45 ACP. Hell, I like them all
@70scarrestoguy To 9 mm... And it´s subjective so it´s not really something to argue over. I never fired a 10 mm and only M1911s, but countless 9 mm and large calibre revolvers.
@NJT97 Do you & your family have your own personal police officer with you 24 hours a day? Unless your a police officer the answer is no. The police will respond to a 911 emergency call after you or your family have already been attacked. They'll document & gather evidence at the scene, make a report & an arrest if there's live witnesses or sufficient evidence to determine the attackers identity. Conservatives & criminals want to disarm us so that we must rely upon police for protection.WhichRU?
"Will a 9mm really protect you?" I think the answer is hell yes! Personally I love my Springfield XD 45 13+1, but I have a love affair with my Glock 34. What can I say, I'm a two-timing bastard:-)
as far as my preference for self-defense...Glock 23 .40 S&W using 180 grain Winchester jacketed hollow-points.
cRichardson666 1 hour ago
A good majority of police won't use anything less than .40 because of stopping power when faced with only being allowed to shoot center mass and lower. Headshots being reserved for snipers... As for the military switching to 9mm; it was because NATO wants us to be more "humane" and not kill who we shoot. same reason we use 5.56 (.223 Remington) when we used to use a .30-06 semi-automatic as our basic infantry weapon...Politics will continue to get our soldiers killed for the rest of history.
cRichardson666 1 hour ago
i like the 9mm, you can buy souped up +p ammo that will put someone down i like the federal hydra shock 147 grains...
nathoniel01 11 hours ago
it's all about the ammo
scanoe420 12 hours ago
The best caliber is the one you can shoot accurately under all conditions. The best gun accessory you can buy is a pallet of practice ammo.
skalliavas 1 day ago
Answer: Yes. Yes, it will.
And, I'm a .45 man; I carry .45's, but even a .22 will kill you. Find the tool that works for you, and ignore the snobs who hate on whatever ammunition because they put their money into something else, having no training or tactical experience. The military as a whole has had plenty of chances to change their weapons, and if 5.56 mm's and 9mm's didn't kill, they would have. People have different thresh holds, and different tools are used for different jobs.
xFrontSightPostx 2 days ago 2
If you think a 9mm won't stop a man ill make a challenge to you you can charge me I won't even use a 9 ill use my 22 ill bet your life it'll stop you
gunrunerone 2 days ago
@gunrunerone yep u hit them in the right place that round will shred u up with that .22
morbidangel2424 2 days ago
A 9mm in the pocket is better then a .45 in the safe at home.
codyology 2 days ago
It's easy to say he looks harmless to me when your target doesn't move or shoot back.
swampprepper 2 days ago
I LOL'd so hard when I saw this. I was already laughing at "dinky" but, the unloading of a clip, and one for measure had me.
MarioMaster1979 3 days ago
I saw a report on the potency of ammunition and how different rounds compare to one and other, based on a decade of thorough research. It addressed allot of factors that really make a difference in a real gun fight, not just which is bigger and other basics that are most often sited. What it came down to is the only major efficiency gap between small arm ammo is between pistol and long gun ammo. If you look at the science of stopping power and dynamics of real combat, it makes allot of sense.
YWKMNITLWILMVAT 3 days ago
I don't use 9mm, I use 9x18.
Yep, I'm the odd ball out, I prefer my Makarov over my Ruger LC9.. Weird huh :P?
LieutenantIrsric 3 days ago
@MaxamillianArturo crossbow huh...hmmm
lazarra101 3 days ago
@LoadManCummith Can you still shrug off 9mm to the head?
lazarra101 3 days ago
He must be fpsrussia's cousin.
lazarra101 3 days ago
Hell a crossbow or bow and arrow will kill someone. So why wouldn't a 9mm be effective. Sure saved my ass plenty of times in Afghan-land those sons of bitches are scared of handguns.
MaxamillianArturo 3 days ago 2
40 s&w the best of both worlds
benjicorral 3 days ago
Its all in placement as you have see.
bigsbydog 4 days ago
ill take that as yes
spoolypaintballer1 4 days ago
Yep it sure will.
razer440 5 days ago
hits hard out of my rifle !
waterchildtera 6 days ago
Any round will protect you if you hit your intended target. I've carried everything from 17hmr to 45LC and everything in between. None of them are good to be shot. In the video, the shooter does a fine job of landing lots of lead on a human size target. Whatever round you use, if you were to have the accuracy of the shooter in the video, will be deadly. JMHO
poopfist 6 days ago
no 45.
minibike11110 6 days ago
I have shot 1911's for years and used to think .45acp was the only handgun round you could pick if you were serious about self defense but after a year in Iraq and seeing what the body can withstand from bullets I dont think there is a nickels difference between ANY handgun round. Shoot what your comfortable with and PRACTICE!
itsmike762 6 days ago 3
bullet placement... i prefer a 40 but depending on where u put the bullet it will definitely do the job.
2meaty4u 6 days ago
well the 9mm is a better round for penetrating armor because it is a much faster and higher velocity round. you can shoot a 9mm alot faster than a 45. and even though it is alot lighter bullet, there is technically about the same amount of powder to lead in a 9mm, so there is just as much "power" in each, but i would personally like to throw out more rounds faster and more accurately.
viperpit07 6 days ago
Good shooting
thedarkknightgt 6 days ago
The human body is a very frail, fragile organism. With thin skin, relatively small skeletal system, and unprotected vital organs. A steak knife thrusted by a small framed woman can kill a person instantly. Think of what an expanding, extremely hot, slug going 1250 feet per second can do, that when it hits, usually has 6 razor sharp pedals protruding from it acting like a meat grinder as it cuts in a circular motion through flesh at near supersonic speeds? Yes, a 9mm is an effective weapon.
mhamilton0039 1 week ago
Well...that piece of steel won't be messing with you again.
Here is a rule of thumb that always works.
~ One bullet into the heart is worth more than 10,000 bullets into the wall 2 feet away.
Get your lazy asses out to the range and learn to put the lead in the black part of the paper.
That, and only that, will define how well your gun will protect you.
hammerogod 1 week ago
screw it .45's are good enough
BaumYourLife 1 week ago
With a pistol, you need to hit center mass. Doesn't matter what caliber.
fullrearview 1 week ago
@rokuema they switched because of NATO. However the era of the 9mm is ending as the military will be returning to the 45.
devldg26 1 week ago
U guys just don't like the 9mm because it's metric, like most of the civilized world.
unkuehl 1 week ago
9mm cant protect you? Then why does the .22 kill more people every year than any other bullet.....People are just biast about .40 and .45
gshdrums 1 week ago
@gshdrums .22 is cheaper to put downrange. Accuracy by volume.
ForSquirrel 1 week ago
train to hit the head, and any cal. will do.
TheRoadsnake 1 week ago
@TheRoadsnake
True that any round to the head would be fatal, but "training to hit the head" is unrealistic. Anyone can shoot a steel silhouette in the head in training. A steel silhouette us not sprinting cover to cover, peaking around corners, or shooting back.
The most elite units in the world don't even train their operators to enter a room and start taking head shots. That's only in the movies.
WorthyofJustice 1 week ago
To @FlagrantAvidity There was a shootout in the 90's where the assailant took 16 .45ACP's and two blasts from a 12 gauge before finally bleeding to death while driving off. Need I say more????
mhamilton0039 1 week ago
The 9mm is a great round, and its all about shot placement. To those who keep knocking the 9mm and pumping the .45. The .357 mag is far superior to the .45ACP in terms of ballistic performance.
mhamilton0039 1 week ago
the 9mm gets a bad rap because, primarily, of the miami shootout debacle back about 30 years ago. at the time 9mm round technology made the .45 ACP the best round for being a manstopper. But over the years 9mm technology has come along way and modern tests show that now the modern 9mm rounds have the same energy as some (not all) .45 and .40 caliber rounds and are far more accurate because of reduced recoil. There is a reason 90% of the worlds police use this round these days.
VonSpyder 1 week ago
By the time my 00buck hit you, you would still be trying to turn around.
RIPTOMCRUISE 1 week ago
I casually shrug off incoming 9mm fire
LoadManCummith 1 week ago 26
@LoadManCummith until you get hit with one
ghillieninja101 1 week ago
@LoadManCummith untell one hits you
rctrckrcr 1 week ago
@LoadManCummith Kind of a dumb comment. Unless you were just trying to be sarcastically funny.
jim1rl 1 day ago
it better can protect me i just bought my first gun the sig 250 9mm
stopHatin8 1 week ago
thats bs, its all about the 45 acp to stay alive ok shithead. how many shots you need to put your target down huh dumb fuck???? 1 shot with the 45 is all youll need, 1 fucking shot ok so dont posion the minds other americans IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOUR TALKING ABOUT OK DUMBASS. so stick your 9mm up your fucking ass ??? ASSHOLE
510deadpool 1 week ago
@510deadpool Your incoherent posting is not very pursuasive. The profanity also does not add weight to your argument.
neosteeled001 1 week ago
@510deadpool
Mmhm mmhmm, so what has you so angry Dr. Banner?
WorthyofJustice 6 days ago
you put a hallow point 9mm round in someone, it will stop them. plus i like how i can get 9mm ammo almost anywhere cheap to! but i like all guns, but it is different for everyone.
breezyatv90 1 week ago
@breezyatv90 The Remington UMC JHP is affordable, reliable, and more than up to the task of stopping someone. I also like the EFMJ rounds put out by federal (the ONLY federal round that I like in fact). Ive been itching to try the Hornady Expqanding monoblock rounds as well since they would be quite versatile if they work as advertised.
VonSpyder 1 week ago
Oh for those saying .38 or 9mm don't have stopping power the problem is over penetration the shell will have a tendancy to go through a body cavity rather than say ripping through your abdomen and settling on your intestines creating a nice cartaurizing effect, as the .45acp does so well, but like one poster said .22 can kill a deere and goes to show it doesn't matter if you have .17 or a .50 bmg you just have to how to use it
stevenmiller279 1 week ago
@stevenmiller279 If you are over penetrating on a 9mm then its because of either using FMJ rounds or bad JHP rounds. If your JHP gets plugged before expanding it basically functions as an FMJ. If you worry about that happening then EMFJ rounds or the JHPs by Hornady can remedy this problem. Also, the .22LR gets a bad rap. Yes itys got pathetic energy, but with a CCI Minimag 40gr you can do the job.
VonSpyder 1 week ago
9mm was designed for average joe thug not wearing any sort of armour, in which case your primary goal is to get your point across without killing him if possible, you spray two or three rounds in his chest or stomache odds are he won't wanna play anymore, on the other hands a hardened criminal is like a bear if you don't take a more drastic measure to neutralize you may just piss it off
stevenmiller279 1 week ago
Well Done!
autosmia 1 week ago
Shot placement more important than caliber in my opinion, plenty of good ammo choices for 9mm carry.
fike301 1 week ago
@fike301 shot placement ALWAYS beats out caliber. A 22LR to the head is better than a .40 to the arm or a .45 to the kidney. One can argue "how well will you aim in an ermergency situation?" and One could argue right back "How well will your nervous hands hold onto the high recoil of a 45 as opposed to a .380 in the same situation?"
VonSpyder 1 week ago
Great response to those stupid ads,let the idiots stand in front of a fired 9mm and judge it afterwards,lol!
MrGT27 1 week ago
Yes a 9mm with protect you! I prefer .40 as many do......but point a 9 at me and I'll be just as afraid of dieing as if you pointed a .40 or .45. It's not like any of these rounds are a .300 Weatherby with a hunting type bullet. (that would be a 1 shot stop on anyone, regardless of their size or state of mind.) You have to keep shooting until the threat is over with any of these.
DigitalHaze65536 1 week ago
a 22 is deadly so I would never think a 9mm would be ineffective
panther67100 1 week ago
i carry a 9mm with either smart rounds or black talons, the fact is with the proper training i can drop someone with run of the mill rounds when positioned right dead center. all round are lethal, just ask any dumb hunter who has killed a deer with a 22lr (yes there are many, although not really legal).
changis74 1 week ago
Of course you can down an attacker with a 9. You can down a guy with a .22 if you dump your mag in him...doesn't mean I'm gonna carry a .22 Just admit it, a .45 is the better stopping power.
dbonds831 1 week ago
He will bleed from that!
2111onyx 1 week ago
LOL, Clint Eastwood wannabe?
pylsemaker 1 week ago
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chuck norris could kill you just by looking at you.
skilo1983 1 week ago
I would prefer to carry a Brandon401401.
vorevox 1 week ago
@70scarrestoguy
Both parties are trying to take away our rights. I feel it is important to point out bc our rights are being trampled by all politicians and nobody is doing anything about it
stevebro6510 1 week ago
Yup. Looks like 9mm works pretty good.
Threllkild 1 week ago
They are a good round. It is the training that is the biggest factor...not the caliber. Most of your standard threats are not wearing body armor. Do not bring in law enforcement...different environmen
TurboedMX6 1 week ago
We are talking about your basic scenario if you need to use it.
TurboedMX6 1 week ago
yeah if i put 100 rounds of .22 on a target it would still protect me.. its not the caliber of the bullet or how many you send down range, but where you put it.
DemonIIXII 1 week ago
ok, from a physics stand point, a small projectile travling over 1000 feet/ps will do alot of damage to a target, so for home defence or when your out and about, against an unarmored target they will do just fine.
briantonysmith 1 week ago
I agree...a 9mm would do just fine. The most important thing people tend to forget is that although IF someone is proficient with ANY caliber, that doesnt mean they will be if someone is coming after them to kill them. A metal/paper target isnt going to attack you, which doesnt properly train ANYTHING. If you're going to spend $500ish on a pistol to conceal, $80-$100 for a class, and $90ish for the actual licence, plus money to buy ammo to practice with, spend the money on a great tactical class
xMrPopeyex 1 week ago
To be honest I think any caliber will protect you.. a 32acp will put some hurt on an atacker more than harsh language anway, and 3-4 well placed shots from even a 32acp will give you time to get away.. a 45acp with hollowpoints will make minced meat of whatever it hits, and IMHO I beleve that's overkill. I don't wanna kill anybody, just scare him of so I can escape.
scanor 1 week ago
What model of firearm is being used?
Texaroni1231 1 week ago
the reason people say that 9mm dont have stopping power is that people in the military that have shot enemys with them must use full metal jacket bullets. also the police that tested them on criminals did so in the 1980-1990s hollow points have come along way since then.
thezombiesarecoming1 1 week ago
better something then nothing.
BioHazardViper78 1 week ago
Lol, "looks harmless to me." Yeah if a pimp with a .25 can kill people, I'm sure an experienced shooter with a 9mm could do some damage. I always laugh at people that say the 9mm is a joke and invite them to stand in front of one, they never do.
ModernWarflare 1 week ago
Rhetorical question...
ThePicklepirate 2 weeks ago
Great reflexes. I agree, a sharpshooter with a .22 can do more damage than a noob with a .45. It's all about the shooter.
redwolfmendoza 2 weeks ago
9mm are very deadly just like any size bullet but the truth is that they do not hit hard enough and there penitration is way too high. At close range they just fly right though you soft target like nothing. Unlike a .45 that hits like a sledge hammer. Here is a video of a police officer in a shoot out with a crazy vetran, he hits this guy at least once probably more though and it doesnt even faze the guy. WARNING this is a graphic sad ass video. youtube.com/watch?v=GX5kwVc9IOk
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I've never believed in the magic bullet...I have always thought shot placement was more important
aikido10 2 weeks ago
if a .22 will kill you so a 9mm will kill you
theairsoftkid123 2 weeks ago
pretty damn good handling there
Palillos1337 2 weeks ago
The problem with the 9mm is windshields and ballistic vests.
Law enforcement agencies are shying away from it for those reasons.
However a 9mm is still fine for personal defense in a concealed carry or in the home.
Personal preference is the key in this argument. I carry a .45 because that is what I prefer. Never would I laugh at someone who carries a 9mm...a bullet can be fatal no matter the size.
WorthyofJustice 2 weeks ago 31
@WorthyofJustice exactly....someone who can shoot a 9mm accurately is deadlier then someone who bought a .45 and barely knows how to control it
Luger718A1 2 weeks ago
@WorthyofJustice None of those rounds are suitable for defeating body armour. A .45 has less penetration then a 9MM, sorry to disappoint you.
SharQus 1 week ago
@SharQus
No disappointment whatsoever. Actually some 9mm and .45 ammunition are specifically designed to penetrate bullet resistant vests, but these rounds have been banned by our friends over at the ATF.
I do understand what you are getting at though. Law indigent likes to learn from their mistakes. The north Hollywood shootout spawned AR-15's in cop cars now. That is closer to the point I was making...sorry for the ambiguity.
WorthyofJustice 1 week ago
@WorthyofJustice Exactly, so why bring it up? Even in AP round configuration, they will only defeat lower levels of body armor. No harm done :)
SharQus 1 week ago
@SharQus
You mad bro?
WorthyofJustice 1 week ago
@WorthyofJustice No? That’s why I used a smiley face x)
SharQus 1 week ago
@WorthyofJustice Ballistic vests for the most part will protect you from most pistol calibers.. Aside from the magnums, but what cop will ever carry a magnum than you have the problem of excessive force if used on a person without ballistic protection..
MyGamer1 1 week ago
@MyGamer1
The type of ammunition that law enforcement uses has nothing to do with excessive force in this case.
Agencies regularly issue high grain ball ammunition or hollow point. They do not however issue special purpose ammunition for handguns. They don't want over penetration, yet they want good transfer of kinetic energy on impact. Its a balancing act that they have been attempting to perform for decades.
WorthyofJustice 1 week ago
@MyGamer1
Imagine this: Walking home from work late one night. Mugger jumps from dark alley with a huge rusty knife and demands money. You hand him your wallet yet he is still standing here. You begin to realize that he has more than just robbery on his mind...so you push him away as you draw the Glock 19 (9mm) from your waistband. Just as you raise your gun to fire tackles you. You shoot him twice in the chest on the way down yet he is still stabbing you..you fire again..and again.
WorthyofJustice 1 week ago
@WorthyofJustice
Comes to be that he spent his days earnings from panhandling and knife point robberies on PCP or crystal meth and was high out of his mind.
Now you both lay face down bleeding from the mortal wound you just received.
Difference is, he was still able to make it back to the crack house before collapsing.
This my friends is why I choose to carry .45 hollow points over a 9mm.
WorthyofJustice 1 week ago
@WorthyofJustice If I recall, the US army came back for the old 45 single army for a while because the standard .38 lacked stopping power against drugged enemies. I can't remember when did that happen though
germanban 1 week ago
@germanban The"Philippine-American war" 1899. The U.S. Army needed a cartridge that had more stopping power than the .38, but manageable recoil. The Filipino warriors were really motivated and very commonly would get very high before a battle to tolerate normally crippling amounts of pain.
The .45 was that round. It transferred enough kinetic energy on impact to knock the biggest, strongest, and highest Filipino warrior on his ass no matter his tolerance for pain..
WorthyofJustice 1 week ago
@WorthyofJustice I will give you the knife and 3 paces, I will have a .380 (small than a 9). Lets find out how many times you can stab me before you physically can not anymore. READY?
FlagrantAvidity 1 week ago
@FlagrantAvidity
What my point is that when its a surprise (like % 99 of all criminal encounters) you will have literally only 1-3 seconds to react..that time includes making your decision to shoot me, drawing your weapon, and firing enough times to stop me. If I'm high out if my mind and an willing to stab you to death over your watch, phone and wallet do you honestly feel that you could stop me with a .380? If you say yes then you must be a Navy Seal right?
WorthyofJustice 1 week ago
@WorthyofJustice Yes I do, no I am not a seal. Proficiency with a firearm takes a good teacher and practice, if you don't think you can do it you need to practice more and become proficient. Then again who knows, perhaps an act of god will stop the bullets from hitting any vital organ, including someones head.
FlagrantAvidity 1 week ago
@FlagrantAvidity The bad guy starts walking away, and obviously gets hit several more times until a vital organ (head) shot drops him dead immediately. The LEO to the right had the opportunity to take him down, but he hesitated and the bad guy turns and pushes the gun out of his face.
He gets shot and and he turns and walks away. Your scenario, while plausible, is still crap.
FlagrantAvidity 1 week ago
@FlagrantAvidity
If by "crap" you mean "logical" or "right" then yes.
I have no faith in the 9mm because of my experience with this round. Its not my table top or range opinion. I formed my opinion in the field.
If you love the 9mm then continue to defend it, I will not argue with you. We can however both agree that we would not enjoy getting shot with either round.
WorthyofJustice 6 days ago
@WorthyofJustice how is someone high out of there mind getting close enough to me to stab me without my noticing? It is true that the .380 is the wimpy cousin of the 9mm and as such it lacks the kinetic energy needed to be a true manstopper (which is to say it cant stop a man based on energy alone) BUT if you know youve got a 380 aiming for the femur, knees, or head will drop an opponent just the same.
VonSpyder 1 week ago
@VonSpyder
I understand your point. However.
If you have not noticed, the "bad guys" don't like attacking their victims head on or alone. They will prefer to hide in the shadows, or behind concealment and ambush you..
In a situation where you are in a close quarter fight for your life that round needs to put your attacker(s) down as fast as possible. If you prefer a .380 then by all means carry a .380, but just hope if the situation calls for you to fire that the .380 will be enough
WorthyofJustice 6 days ago
@FlagrantAvidity
There is a video of two police officers shooting a criminal over ten times in his upper torso.(called "Police shooting video #1)
It isn't until the officer on the left shoots him twice in the back of the head does he finally drop.These officers were carrying 9mm Glocks..need I say more?
WorthyofJustice 1 week ago
@WorthyofJustice Definitely impressive, it is hard to tell from the video exactly, but I counted right around 10 shots based on the muzzle flash. I would like to know how many hit; you can tell he was hit several times until something vital was hit (head).
However your scenario is off base, based on this video. As you can see, after the LEO has a firearm to the "bad guys" head, the bad guy starts walking away. (The LEO hesitated and didn't fire and he should have, bad guy pointed a gun.)
FlagrantAvidity 1 week ago
@WorthyofJustice I agree, but with one addition so that people don't get a wrong impression - the .45 performance with ballistic vest penetration is even worse than 9mm
hillosibul 1 week ago
@hillosibul
You are correct, I mistyped.
WorthyofJustice 6 days ago
@WorthyofJustice Why did our military switch from using 1911's (.45) to M9's (9mm)? Because of higher ammo capacity and less kick so they are able to throw more lead out, faster, and just as accurate.
Rokuema 1 week ago 9
@Rokuema
Ask any member of the US military (who has been in combat) if they like the 9mm. They will all say "hell no".
I've seen an insurgent who had 13 9mm bullet wounds to his legs and torso and was able to flee the area on foot and return 15 minutes later to counter-attack a platoon of Soldiers from the 3rd ID.
WorthyofJustice 1 week ago
@WorthyofJustice 13 rounds? i dont think so....And it is gonna suck using FMJ in any caliber.......
gshdrums 6 days ago
@gshdrums
I'm not going to beg you to believe me. I am telling you what happened.
Every caliber has its pros and cons. Would I trust a 9mm with my life? Hell no, because I have seen it fail first hand at stopping someone. Would I spend a day shooting 1000 rounds of 9mm at steel and paper targets? Hell yes because its fun!
9mm: Target shooting, not bad guy shooting.
WorthyofJustice 6 days ago
@WorthyofJustice How wrong you are. A .45 can fail to stop someone. A 1911 .45 that jams, is gonna fail to stop someone. If you shoot someone on LCP, Acid, Angel Dust, all those drugs, with a .45 in the chest, if there mad you wont stop them. How many people have been stopped and killed with a 9mm? .45 is a stupid concealed carry caliber IMO because you can only carry a few rounds. 40 is the best, good power, good amount of rounds. How many people get killed with .380 or .22?
gshdrums 6 days ago
@gshdrums There you go again with these perfect world examples. A 1911 only jams if you dont take care of it (just like any gun)
And yes, a 45 to the chest will stop someone high on whatever drug. The round is bigger, slower, and transfers more kinetic energy to the target. I have seen this shit first hand and would only use a 9mm for one thing...range practice.
WorthyofJustice 5 days ago
@WorthyofJustice No, a .45 in any handgun smart ass....I was just using a 1911 for an example cause it is the most common gun that shoots it. Yeah well you could also be lieing like most people on here and not seen it. And how many cops shoot people with a 9mm and they drop and die from one shot? You can stay biast with your .45. And it is very possible a .45 to the chest may not stop someone. That has been proven. Any bullet cant stop anyone.
gshdrums 4 days ago
@gshdrums
I apologize, I'm not trying to be a smartass. I will admit that that I am a bit biased as far as the .45 is concerned.
However I do not fabricate stories to try and prove a point. I have seen the 9mm fail horribly as a "man stopper". So because of this I have issues with the actual reliable stopping power of the 9mm. I dont argue however that the 9mm is or isnt fatal because it is.
.45 is my personal preference and I respect that you may disagree with me.
WorthyofJustice 4 days ago
@WorthyofJustice .45 is great, but you dont get many rounds, and alot of people cant handle it. a 9mm is a great self defense round, even a .380.......It is all some people can handle....22 kill more people every year than any other bullet. I would rather 15 rounds of .40 than 7 of .45...........If you like it carry it. What im saying is i dont think you NEED a .45.....But if you can shoot it and thats what you like great
gshdrums 4 days ago
@gshdrums
I agree with you.
WorthyofJustice 4 days ago
@WorthyofJustice Kinetic Energy=.5(Mass)(Velocity^2).This means that a bullet with a higher velocity in comparison to something with a proportional mass will have more KE.For example,if you have a .45 with a mass of .05kg and a velocity of 287m/s, when a 9mm might have 3/4 the mass and 2x the velocity, this would give the 9mm more KE,just to be technical. Maybe what you are saying is that since the bullet is flying so fast,it will pass cleanly through,not much stopping power?
ctophman1 4 days ago
@ctophman1
Very technical response, I like that.
I was referring more to the stopping power and the actual trauma caused by these rounds. Its like comparing crashing a Honda civic in to a building going 80 mph and crashing a Freightliner 18 Wheeler with a 20,000lb loaded trailer going 50mph.
WorthyofJustice 4 days ago 2
@WorthyofJustice It really is not about the bullet when it comes to 9 40 and 45, it is about how big the person is, adrenlin, anger, drugs......A normal guy is gonna be dropped pretty decent by a 9mm, if not a double tap.
gshdrums 6 days ago
@gshdrums While that may be true in the perfect world.. In the real world you must prepare for the worst case scenario. The worst case scenario is a 6 foot plus 350lb prison escapee who is high on pcp and wants to kill you. In the perfect world he would present himself from down the street giving you ample time to get a few well aimed shots on target before he harms you.
In reality he and some friends will ambush you from your blindside..then what? A 9mm wont help because this is reality.
WorthyofJustice 5 days ago
@WorthyofJustice you obviously don't need ample time to get out a magazine of 9mm because he shot a whole magazine in 4 seconds
archertrades 5 days ago
@archertrades
On his property.
In broad daylight.
On a steel target.
That is stationary.
Not attacking.
Or shooting back.
Your argument is invalid.
WorthyofJustice 4 days ago
@WorthyofJustice That was me. I didn't want to counter attack but you motherfuckers wouldn't stop shooting me!! Are you guys alright? Allah u akhbar!
LOVEHELlX 6 days ago
@LOVEHELlX
That's what you get for stealing their MRE'S
WorthyofJustice 6 days ago
@Rokuema
That insurgent was later found dead after having his throat blown out by a 5.56.
The M9 holds more rounds because you need to shoot someone significantly more times in order to achieve the desired outcome.
WorthyofJustice 1 week ago
@Rokuema Don't think the military makes its decisions for tactical reasons. Decisions are always made for political reasons--that's what happens with the military is run by civilians. We'll just have to live with that if we don't want to live in a communist regime. Both 9mm and .45 have advantages and disadvantages--neither is "better" than the other. Different situations require different solutions.
kinghoju 3 days ago
another useless debate, bullets hurt in all sizes who wants to argue im a masterdebater with harry palms bring it
BMXJOSH87 2 weeks ago
Remind me to never startle you...
GarrettGriggs757 2 weeks ago
Is a 9mm good enough?! Im pretty sure there was never a shoot out where the perp was hit with a 9 and simply laughed and said, ' Your puny bullets are useless against me! Shouldve used a bigger caliber!!!' I promise, if you get center mass grouping with a 9, you WILL cause organ failure.
GarrettGriggs757 2 weeks ago
@GarrettGriggs757 google north hollywood shoot out.
darkhors3gaming 2 weeks ago
all i have is a .22 and people say its not good enough. well, im accurate with it, and i can hold 8 shots in the mag at once, ill hit with at least 75% and im sure the "attacker" will choose to cease his attempts lol
w1lly9 2 weeks ago
nice shooting dude :)
flightoftheunknown 2 weeks ago
Oh and also you have to look at knock down power its not Luke the movies you shoot bad guy bad guy dies with lots of fmj rounds you must hit vital area and in the dark engaging target may not be so easy and bullet will enter and exit the body not saying it won't hurt but I would not use the same round for practice that I would for self defense
gunrunerone 2 weeks ago
I'm a 1911 guy I have a colt 1911 in 45 and a gsg 1911 in 22 you can defend your self with a 22 you can easily stay on target and empty a magazine in a 22 by the time it takes some one to get back on target with a 45 pluse a 22 round will tumble upon entry you could shoot assaultet in stomach and come out in the throat
gunrunerone 2 weeks ago
What is the gun model?
zeljkobreee 2 weeks ago
Navy Seals, US Army, etc generally carry 9mm because of weight and numbers of rounds you can haul. I'm sure they would prefer 40 or 45. I know there is a big difference when I carry my sub-compact 9 vs my compact 45. I feel the weight after a few hours ...but I agree with others as far as being able to use the gun effectively. A quick draw with good shot placement will trump a clumsy, slow fool with a 45 any day.
dkeberhard 2 weeks ago
It is not so much what you have, as what you can do with what you have.
A hit with a 9mm is better than a miss with a .44 Magnum!
Bullet Placement/Accuracy and Tactics trump brute force.
jwc00789 2 weeks ago
I perfer .40 s&w, but 9mm can still definitely protect you. Hell, the Navy Seals with a 9mm, if it's good enough for them I think I can trust it.
infin1ty 2 weeks ago 17
What about two thugs? You use 1 mag on 1 target. 45 1 point 9mm 0
xx801cloudxx 2 weeks ago
Hey Brandon, what do you think about the 9mm Critical Defense by Hornady?
cloop77 2 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
a man was killed not too long ago in my neck of the woods with a ruger MK III. He tried breaking into a house and received one 36 gr bullet to the chest and died on the spot from 'Multiple organ system ruptures'. The bullet bounced off of his spine and ribs rupturing his heart, lungs, stomach liver and pancreas.
TapRackBoom 2 weeks ago
It's just a matter of personal opinion. Anything is better than nothing but it comes down to how competent you are with your weapon of choice no matter the caliber.
gabe1pope 2 weeks ago
are you fps russias brother and you shoot really fast
chevy15136 2 weeks ago
If you put a 9mm round ANYWHERE in someones head or neck then they wont be going anywhere, unless you skim there head but if you can get that close then try again and you'll probably hit their brain.
GrimpWnzyou 2 weeks ago
@GrimpWnzyou Watch YouTube video "Modern Gunfighter Lance Thomas on Justice files". Lance was shot in the neck on two separate occasions & 3 times in the shoulder by attempted armed robbers.
70scarrestoguy 2 weeks ago
a 9mm is a small VERY fast bullet that (CAN not will but CAN) over penetrate. if ur would be attacker it a 6'5" 285 lb man high on coke, i would rather have that big slow 45, than that small fast nine............... if the bullet goes through them it doesnt drop them. ppl get shot by 9mm a lot and dont even know it til later. i dont wanna have to empty the entire mag into anyone. @ the end of the day i wanna protect myself and fam, not kill ppl cause to feel safe i had 2 shot them 11 times
supakamario 2 weeks ago
@supakamario Your insinuating that the entire line of 9mm bullets are prone to over-penetrate. Sure the 9mm +p FMJ may over-penetrate the lower center mass region but so would a .45acp in 200gr or 230gr FMJ. I wouldn't recommend using FMJ ammo of any pistol caliber for personal defense. I'd prefer to defend my life against a lethal attack from a 6'-5"/285lb Coke-Head, using heavy for caliber 9mm +p bonded JHP@ 1,050-fps rather than .45acp FMJ@950 fps. Rapid expansion & deep cutting petals will-
70scarrestoguy 2 weeks ago
@supakamario sever blood vessels & arteries while delivering all it's energy to the center mass of a human attacker. A 9mm +P, JHP creates a very nice temp/permanent stretch cavity & can easily sever the CNS with a single shot. I've never heard of anybody who was shot center mass by a 9mm bullet & didn't realize they were wounded. Even the drugged out POS thugs from the 86 Miami shootout knew they were (9mm-FMJ & .38 FMJ) shot. Your family's doomed if your 2 shot accuracy can't stop an attacker.
70scarrestoguy 2 weeks ago
The 9mm is an excellent round. It has outstanding ballistics, low recoil and is cheap to buy and practice with. In terms of protection...let me put it like this; a .22LR can kill you, therefore a 9mm is more than enough to get the job done. Personally, I like the 9mm, .40 S&W, and the .45 ACP. Hell, I like them all
darkhanos 2 weeks ago
I've always carried a "9." Practice ammo is cheap and it's easy to control. Any man with a normal sized penis should feel fine carrying it.
talon115 2 weeks ago
great vid and great shooting very fast and stayed on target
jnpiel 2 weeks ago
OUTSTANDING VID ..NICE JOB
bluetunder40 2 weeks ago
Njt97, that is the funniest post. The police will protect you... love it. Hahahahaha.
kutark 2 weeks ago
Good shootin.
abiadors 2 weeks ago
Personally, I find the .45 more controllable... :)
swertinge07 2 weeks ago
@swertinge07 size of the firearm makes a difference . a sub compact 9mm is harder to control than a .45 1911.
pcracer2 2 weeks ago
@swertinge07 Compared to what? Because I find my Glock 20 10mm has less felt recoil & quicker sight reacquisition than my friends Kimber 1911 .45acp
70scarrestoguy 2 weeks ago
@70scarrestoguy To 9 mm... And it´s subjective so it´s not really something to argue over. I never fired a 10 mm and only M1911s, but countless 9 mm and large calibre revolvers.
swertinge07 2 weeks ago
Very Nice.
12gageshot 2 weeks ago
no the police will
NJT97 2 weeks ago
@NJT97 Do you & your family have your own personal police officer with you 24 hours a day? Unless your a police officer the answer is no. The police will respond to a 911 emergency call after you or your family have already been attacked. They'll document & gather evidence at the scene, make a report & an arrest if there's live witnesses or sufficient evidence to determine the attackers identity. Conservatives & criminals want to disarm us so that we must rely upon police for protection.WhichRU?
70scarrestoguy 2 weeks ago
@70scarrestoguy i have weapons that make that 9mm look like a pea shooter. but i dont intend to use them againsed people
NJT97 2 weeks ago
1270 fps, a huge chunk of lead... you only need 500 fps to cause lethal internal damage in a human.. you do the maths.
MrRedeyedJedi 2 weeks ago
"Will a 9mm really protect you?" I think the answer is hell yes! Personally I love my Springfield XD 45 13+1, but I have a love affair with my Glock 34. What can I say, I'm a two-timing bastard:-)
TemporarilyFunny 2 weeks ago
Fps'Merica
bogdancasillas 2 weeks ago