Last I checked Citation lost 4 of 5 to Noor. Kelso lost 3 of 4 to Beau Purple. Dr Fager lost 2 of 4 to Damascus. Forego lost 2 of 3 to Wajima. John Henry lost 2 of 3 to Mehmet. Skip Away lost 4 of 6 to Formal Gold. Etc.
The times DONT LIE DOC Livingston Fraud Clown!! How could Summer Squall and Codex come home EIGHT Lengths faster??How could EG come Home in 26 and Over 13??? We are talking EG here? LOL, I think U KNow Doc
Easy Goer routinely came home in 11 or 11 and change and 23 and change or 24, and he came home in a dawdling(for him)almost 26 SECONDS and 13 and change and you are stil wondering why??? Do you know why??
LOL!!! Summer Squall went in 18 FLAT!! Codex went in 18 1/5!!! LOL!!!Affirmed in 18 1/5!!! 7 or 8 Lengths faster!! And EG came home in almost 26 SECONDS and 13 and change final 1/8!! Andf you are wondering why it was so SLOW!!!
Oh and please remember SS and EG went a mile in 1:34 1/5! They then went the final 1 1/2 furlongs in 19 3/5! So when the great Native Dancer goes 19 2/5 after a mile over 4 seconds slower,does that make him pokey? Or Risen Star going 19 3/5 after a mile that was over 2 seconds slower ,does that make RS pokey? Northern Dancer going 19 1/5 after a mile that was over 3 seconds slower,does that mean he was a plug? Are ya gettin it boys? LOL!
What really shows your "EG was cooked by an early move in the Preak" is nothing but BS is these simple irrefutable set of facts! Native Dancer went 19 2/5 in his Preak going the final 1 1/2 F,and that was after a 1:38 2/5 mile! Risen Star went 19 3/5,after a mile in 1:36 3/5! Slew went 19 3/5 after a mile in 1:34 4/5! Northern Dancer went 19 1/5 after a mile in 1:37 3/5! Now were they all pokey assed plugs????? Hmmmm LOL!!!!!!!!!
MOST IMPORTANTLY!! Explain this: Easy Goer routinely came home his last eighth in 11 or 11 and change, and came home his last qrtr in 23 and change and 24 in MOST of his races. How could EG come him his last qrtr in the Preakness in a snail like(for him) 25 4/5(almost 26), and his last eighth in a snail like(for him) 13.1??? I think YOU know the answer black kettle.
@DELMARCLUB1 Great great great point DEL Mar. Those come home times for Easy Goer are as much "Proof" as you can get! And they dont lie, neither does Day.
Stop making excuses for all three of Secretariat's losses. He ran a brilliant ungodly 2:26, he got beat in a duel, and it's been said that a bad ride was the reason for his other loss.
Easy Goer was NEVER moebed through an insanely premature 21 second qrtr in any race in his life, including the Gotham. And that isn't to be just shrugged off! LOL.
Pat Day wasnt stating his opinion on "EG legs going rubber at the 1/16 pole"!!!!! And when he tried to have him come out into SS because he was banging him down in tight "EG ran with his head turned and his BODY stayed the same." Day was not stating an opinion on that, he may have been stating an opinion on his "ABSOLUTE rider error"
Put that insanely premature 21 second qrtr into perspective. As you stated, after Dr Fager ran that slow 48 half, Damascus came and pressured him through 23.1 and 23 quarters! EG ran 21.3
And if EG had run a mile in 1:32.2 in the Preakness, he would have been ten lengths in front of SS at the 3/16 pole, and the track record at Pim for a mile is 1:37 and change. And EG not only ran the fastest third qrtr in Preakness history, Day saud he HAD to give him a breather after that insane 21 qrtr but that brather never came! LOL
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You clowns are trying to throw SEC in there to in some way justify your endless excuses for why EG just didn't bitch slap SS everytime they met. I guess you guys are blind to what your doing,but trust me it is very obvious. Hey is an abcess and fever real or just imaginary? I'd like to hear your answer(s)! LOL!
DOC Livingston Fraud Clown BE109 thinks Day is lying about what he had underneath him with a 1/16 to go, or Day just made up that "ABSOLUTE rider error" thing just b/c Day took intense and huge criticism for his Horrendous ride.
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@ruffchamp1 Clown, Day is expressing HIS opinion,not lying! Your trying to put words into my mouth,LOL! The fact that you say EG was "done" is nothing more than your way of insinuating SS was inferior. 1:53 4/5 says EG was still getting it done. Oh and SS got it done! That is the problem right there huh?
Del mar is sooooooo correct. Easy Goer was never ever moved that early through that wicked 21 3/5 move with 6f to go. Pat Day knows what his "ABSOLUTE rider error " was and knows what he had underneath him ALOT more than the Fraaud DOC Livingston does.
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@DELMARCLUB1 Thats the other question you clowns dodge all the time! Explain to me how an abcess or a fever isn't real? If it isn't,then it must have been made up as an excuse! Do you really think that abcess didn't effect his race? Do you really think that lost training time due to the fever really helped him? Is the abcess and fever real or not? LOL!
And asking YOU for the last three months to watch the video and tell me how far back EG was with 6F to run in the Gotham, then with 4F to run will show you that!! It was an insane 21 SECOND premature qrtr. YOU tell me, was EG moved through an insane 21 sec. premature move in the Belmont? in the Travers? in the Whitney? LOL
BLACK Kettle! Easy Goer WAS NOT, I repeat for the thousandth time moved through an insanely premature 21 SECOND, 21 SECOND quarter in the Gotham or in any race in his life!
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@DELMARCLUB1 The question is how can a horse go 8F in 1:32 2/5,well within himself,and then go 9F. in 1:45 3/5 while basically being geared down. And NOT PROVE to one and all that he did have supreme stamina,the kind that would have allowed him to merely shrug off a 21 & change 1/4especially when the next 1/4 was run in 24 3/5! With EG leading most of the way! LOL!
When you clowns answer a question of mine with a question of your own. Do you know what that tells everybody? LOL,it says your in a big quandry,and can't explain it away intelligently! Come on guys,EG goes 9F. in 1:45 3/5 with complete ease,and goes 12 F. in 2:26 again as easy as it gets,and yet he somehow was "USED UP" going 9 1/2 F. Actually the key point here is the presence of SS in that race where EG was "USED UP"! But of course you guys will never own up to that crucial fact! LOL!
And Easy Goer ran that way way way too early 21 3/5 qrtr mile, while SS did run it in 23 1/5. There is a pretty big difference there, even if 23 1/5 is not walking by no means.
Pat Day knows what his "ABSOLUTE rider error" was, and Day didn't just state that because of the intense criticism he got for his Horrendous ride. Pat Day knows what he did absolutely wrong.
I was the one who brought up Secretariat having "selective ungodly stamina". And he did indeed. Don't give SEC excuses for him losing his "ungodly stamina".
Still no response on watching the tape of the Gotham,and how far back EG was from the leader with 6F to run, then with 4F to run! You tell me exactly, from watching the tape, how far back EG was at those poles!
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@DELMARCLUB1 Delmar how many times do I have to say quit answering a question with a question of your own! I could care less if you clowns think your better chartcallers than the people who do it for the DRF! In fact I find that quite amusing. You still won't touch the fact that EG went 9F in 1:45 3/5 with complete ease,and in the race right after the Preakness,he goes12F in 2:26 flat in the Belmont,again with complete ease! I have been waiting for answer to this for how long????
And that is true, the video does not lie!Watch it! Easy Goer was never moved that early and that fast in any race in his life. Pat Dau knows what he did "ABSOLUTELY wrong", and Secretariat must have had an on/off switch 3 times as a 3YO!
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@ruffchamp1 Actually Champ Sec had an abcess,a low grade fever,etc. Those things kept him from being 100%. Aside from the abcess in the Wood,I think he still had a big shot in the other two. If you think the abcess didn't affect him,your fooling yourself Champ! Trying the "selective stamina switch back on me? Very original on your part! LOL!
LOL!! Pat Day knows what his "ABSOLUTELY rider error" was, and Pat Day knows what he had underneath him. And Pa tDay knows what he did totally wrong. Pat Day didn't call his ride in the Preakness "ABSOLUTE rider error" because he of his huge criticism by the racing writers! LOL
@ruffchamp1 Who cares what you say the vid says! I could care less,it has nothing to do with the fact,that in the Gotham EG demonstrated unreal stamina,and conveniently enough for you,he supposedly ran out of this unreal stamina in the Preakness(funny how SS coincidentally won huh),yet he demonstrated it in every race after the Preakness! Whats wrong Champ? Did he have a little switch one could turn on and off when it came to this unreal stamina? LOL!
I am asking you to WATCH the tape of the race and YOU tell me how many lengths EG was with 6F to run, and how many lengths EG was with 4F to run. And YOU tell me if I am wrong! EG was CLEARLY a half length behind the leader with 6F to run, and EG was clearly 2 1/2 or 3 lengths behind the leader with 4F to run. EG had DROPPED BACK.
@ruffchamp1 Once again Champ,I could care less where YOU think EG was at certain points of the race. You are only doing this to avoid what my MAIN point is,that being EG in running 9 furlongs in 1:45 3/5,while being geared down is total proof that he indeed had unreal stamina. That flys directly in the face of this Preakness early move cost him his stamina BS! Stay on topic Champ!
Oh shoot DOC Livingston, that 1:45 3/5 was also in the DRF! Plenty of DRF people can see how Horrendous Pat Day;s ride was- Joe Hirsch, Crist, Haskin, Watchmaker, Nack of SI! And Pat Day knows what his absolute rider error was, and what he had underneath him
@ruffchamp1 What is so damn funny is how you guys just scoff at the chartcallers of the DRF in their chart call of the 89 Gotham. Yet you will turn right around and use DRF as the total authority when some of them say EG was better. A bit hypocritical eh?
Now, you go watch the race with your own eyes and tell me exactly how many lengths off the leader EG was with 6F to run, then 4F to run in the Gotham! YOU tell me with your own eyes if I am wrong!
ALL you have to do is watch the tape with your own four eyes, and you will see that with 6F to run in the Gotham, EG was a half length behind the leader, and with 4F to run, EG was 2 1/2 or 3 lengths behind the leader, and had DROPPED back!
Since the DRF can't get anything right,I will laugh my ass off the next time you clowns quote something from the DRF as proof that EG was better than SS! You clowns cannot have it both ways you know! I guess all of the decades and decades of DRF PP's and workouts are nothing but the results from inept people at the DRF! LOL! I'll stick with what the DRF says on the PP's of all the races! After all they have been doing it a lot longer than the EG Shoulda Woulda Coulda Club has! LOL
Another great point, and Pat Day KNOWS what he had underneath him with a 1/16 to run, and Day certainly knows what his absolute rider error. Even if u dont agree with the absolute rider error part that Day said, Day is not lying about how EG felt with a 1/16 to go.
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@ruffchamp1 So I guess SS wasn't a bit tired as well? When you run 9 1/2 furlongs in a sparkling 1:53 4/5(not many TB's can run that kind of time you know!),your sure as hell not going to be fresh as a daisy! LOL! Your just making excuses Champ! LOL!
And Easy Goer was not Secretariat, but even in SEC insanely premature move in the Preakness, which he started going into the clubhouse turn, was in 22.1, while EG was sent through his insanely premature 21 quarter coming out of the clubhouse turn. Insane in any route race
Great point, Delmarclub! Easy Goer is actually dropping back and losing ground in that same split in a sprint race, and he is flying way too early and going from 4.5 lengths back to the lead with 4f to run, EG did NOT have the lead with 4F to run in the Gotham, he was about 3 lengths back and DID drop back. The video does not lie
Do you see the difference yet????? yet?? from his way premature insane 21 second quarter in the route race Preakness and his mile Gotham, where he actually dropped back in the same split. All you have to do is press pause and freeze the video with 6F to run in the Gotham, and then do the same with 4F to run, he drops back 2 or more lengths, and then do the same in the route race, which has no comparsion at all to a sprint race.
So I guess I should just blindly follow what your position calls are,and just toss the professionals calls at the Daily Racing Form aside as nothing but inept blind BS? Really none of that matters,it is just another attempt by you guys to steer the conversation AWAY from the clear unavoidable FACT that EG did have almost limitless stamina,which he showed in the Gotham going 9F in 1:45 3/5(as a 3 YO no less!),and he showed it again in the Belmont running 2:26 flat. On again,off again stamina? LOL
More importantly than that. Please go watch the Gotham over and over again with your own eyes, and the Preakness too. With 6F to run in the Gotham, EG was a 1/2 lengths behind the leader, and with 4F to run in the Gotham, Easy Goer DROPPED BACK to be 2 1/2 or 3 lengths behind the leader! EG actually LOST 2 or more lengths in the same split, and the Preakness he was 4 or 5 lengths behind with 6F to run, and in the LEAD with 4F to run!
Delmar ,You don't care if he was clocked going 9F. after winning the Gotham in 1:45 3/5,mainly because it flys directly in to the face of this excuse of EG being used up in the preakness by a early move! And it is also hilarious that you guys use the "route race" line to hide behind. I knew you would do that! The simple fact that the Gotham was a 1 turn race made that 9F clocking even more impressive,as far as stamina is concerned. Running very swift sprinting fractions,and he got 1:45 3/5 easy!
Cont- a later stage of the Preakness(between the 4F point and the 6F. point)when he was clocked going 21 3/5 seconds, as compared to his running of a 21& change 1/4 between 2F. and 4F. in the Gotham,,all you guys jump up and down and cry that early move stripped him of this UNGODLY stamina! Sorry boys and girls that rock don't float! LOL! This is the proof right here right in front of you! LOL!
So are we gonna hear more of this PREMATURE 21 3/5 /4 move anymore? Are we gonna find you guys hiding behind this "route race" line of yours? Anyone with any sense at all,can see that what EG did in the Gotham,running a 21 & change 2nd 1/4 mile in the Gotham,and then coasting in at 8F. in 1:32 2/5,1/5 off the WR,and then while being basically geared down clocked 9F. in 1:45 3/5,once again 1/5 off the WR,indicates stamina of the type rarely encountered! Yet when he did the same thing at ,Cont-
Cont- 6F and 8F. in 23 4/5 seconds,and he was WELL WELL WITHIN HIMSELF TO BOOT! Then he was clocked galloping out 9F. in 1:45 3/5(1/5 off the WR)! The fact that he did this going around 1 turn makes those splits all the more impressive! They also prove that early move in the Preakness wasn't why he lost! He proved he had UNGODLY stamina that day! Just think if Day had let him really run that day in the Gotham? Don't feed me this early move BS anymore! LOL! The key factor was Sunday Silence!
You guys don't seem to see the ironic similarity of EG running behind a split 21 4/5 between the 2F. and the 4F. in the Gotham,where he made up 3/4's of a length! Which means he was running faster than the leader! Nor do you get the fact that the internal split between 4F. and 6F. was 24 4/5,in which EG was 1 1/2 lengths behind at the start and was 2 1/2 in front at the end,once again that means he was going MUCH FASTER than 24 4/5! Then he himself ran the last internal split between,Cont-
Oh I know, he feels the need to state the same thing on all these videos, I guess it is alright that everybody else says the same thing on all the videos. It is like, onto the next one, the next one, sayin the same thing.
Del Mar, he will never see the bid difference, and he will go onto 10 or 12 videos and say the same thing. Meanwhile, when I am on or 10 or 12 videos saying the same thing, its not ok.LOL!
The DOC Livingston really is a Clown Fraud DOC Livingston. He has been responding to me for 3 years now everyday, I have to see this fraud clown BE109 DOC Livingston in my email every single day for 3 years, while he is supposed to be a trainer!!~ What a fraud
An internal fraction in 21 and change that premature is much much different from a 23 or 23 2/5, which is fast in it's own right, but not insanely fast 21, and that early in the race.
I am not looking at how far he was behind SS , it is the insanely premature 21 quarter that EG, himself ran, SS was not walking at a all, but SS ran a 23 or so quarter in the same quarter. I hope you see the big difference from 21 and change and 23.
Easy Goer ran that quarter in 21 seconds while SS ran it in 23, 23 is not walking by no means, but I hope you seen the huge difference in 21 or 21 and change from a 23 second quarter that EG ran in the Classic, and SS ran in the Preakness, neither horse in both races was walking by no means, but an insanely premature 21 seconds is a big difference from a 23 or so quarter.
He really still doesn't get it. It is about what Easy Goer ran, and he ran a rocket 21 and change in the Preakness. No where near what he ran in the BC, after just an 1/8 of a mile move dow the backstretch.
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Whats funny is howyou guys do not seem to realize that SS was making an early move,WHILE EG was still behind him in the backstretch of the preakness! SS is clearly moving up on the leader,and then here comes EG to come up alongside SS! Funny how you only wail about EG's move,but make no mention that SS is doing the same thing! Whats even more damaging to your "EG was moved too early therefore thats why he lost" excuse,is the solid fact that SS in the very next 1/4 mile after they both moved,Cont
Cont- made up 2 lengths on EG(after he was forced to check behind Houston),therefore SS was using up more energy around the far turn Commonsense would dictate since SS was moving early at almost the exact same time as EG,and since SS ran a faster 1/4 right after that,and the fact that they both were blazing down the stretch that both horses were both running huge races. Yet what we get from you clowns,is this endless excuse on how if EG hadn't been moved early he would have rolled SS! LOL!!!!!!
Easy Goer was 4 or 5 lengths back with 6f to run in the Preakness, and was in the lead with 4f to run, and ran a 21 and change quarter to get that lead. In the Classic, EG ran a 23 2/5 quarter there, after making a furlong move down the backstretch.
Delmar,you say he was 4 or 5 lengths back(from the leader),but at the 4F. mark he was only 1 1/2 back of SS! Who was Day's sole target! As I have told your "friend" Flyboy,it is also quite ironic,that you guys make NO MENTION OF THE FACT THAT SS ACTUALLY COMMENCED A EARLY MOVE ABOUT THE SAME TIME AS EG DID! So don't give me this sour grapes whining BS that the early move was THE REASON EG lost the Preakness! SS made a early move as well! Its plain as day,and you clowns cannot deny it! LOL! WOW!
EVERYBODY is talking about EASY GOER"s time from 6f out to 4f out in the Preakness. And EG ran a 21 and change quarter. Sorry if you can't take out your watch and time him, but it is obvious.
Not at all, bringing up Easy Goer's gallop outs or his final times is CLEAR proof of how brilliant and great Easy Goer was. Not at all showing him to be better than SS. I can feel Easy Goer was better that SS without those at all.
Easy Goer ran a 21 and change quarter in the Preakness 6F out, and ran a 23 2/5 quarter in the Classic from the 6F to the 4F pole after being eleven lengths back. Do you see the difference??
He really does NOT understand that it WAS ABOUT Easy Goer's insane premature 1/4 of 21 SECONDS, not what Houston ran!! The black kettle is on here all day every day, and he still doesn't know what everybody is talking about, or what Day is talking about either! How sad
It is NOT about the leaders pace of the race, it IS about Easy Goer's way way premature 21 second 1/4 with 6F to run, not the leaders, and EG did not run a 21 second 1/4 in the Classic at all.!! Get your fracts straight
WE are talking about Easy Goer's ridiculous much too early 1/4 in 21 seconds, not the leaders fractions!! Omg. And EG did NOT run a 21 second 1/4 in the Classic at all, he ran an 1/8 of a mile down the backstretch, and an 1/8 of a mile in the homestretch!! Different rides altogether! Go back to school
And YOU are posting the fractions of the race???? Are u that slow DOC Livingston??? In the Preakness, it was about Easy Goer's OWN internal fraction in that mind boggling 21 and change that early in the race. Not the fractions for the leaders in the race!! I know you are slow, but come on DOC.
When it comes to the preakness,I am posting the ACTUAL OFFICIAL 1/4 mile time BETWEEN the 6F. mark and the 8F. mark! Do the freaking math between the 6F. and the 8F. marks! EG was in the lead for most of the way between the 6f and the 8F. mark! As for your "mind boggling 21 & change 1/4" it was clocked by someone with a stopwatch,and others caught him in 22 & change for goodness sake! Gonna go with the fasted ESTIMATED TIME huh Champ? Yet you guys scoff at my mention of EG's ESTIMATED,Cont-
Cont- Galloping out times in the Gotham and the Whitney(stuff you were always crowing about anyways)! Seems a bit hypocritical to me that you will revere this Preakness "21 sec. 1/4 mile",yet all of you guys try to laugh off any relevance of EG's 9F. ESTIMATED clocking in the Gotham while he was galloping out in 1:45 3/5(1/5 off the world record),or the fact that he was ESTIMATED to have went 10 F in 1:58 3/5 in the Whitney by one of your many "experts" Mike Watchmaker! HYPOCRICY BOYS AND GIRLS
LOL! When did I EVER say that EG gallop out times MEANT he was clearly superior to SS?????????? I said that EG gallop out times were mind boggling and amazing, that isnt the reason for him being better than ss!! LOL try again
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Oh please Champ spare me this BS that you weren't bringing up all those times where EG ran fastest here,there,and everywhere,to show EG was superior to SS! That rock don't float Champ! You guys are tied to your endless bragging on EG's BRILLIANT SPEED,and his LEGENDARY STAMINA(your own words) as being proof he was the better horse! It is WAY WAY TOO LATE for you to backtrack now! Or how about you and your "friends" constant ridicule of SS when he got DESTROYED by 8 in the Belmont? LOL!!!
HOW many times do I have to tell YOU to stop replying to me in comments. Leave all the comments you want DOC Livingston. I dont need to see you 10 times a day in my email inbox for 3 straight years you fraud clown DOC Livingston!
Cont- EXTREMELY EARLY HUGE move in the Classic ok? Day clearly stated he wanted to move with SS when SS took off around the turn,but that EG couldn't keep up! But when the track straightened out he sure took off then did he not? Tired horses do not do such things,,just as tired,or "spent" horses do not finish a 9 1/2 F. in 1:53 4/5,nor do they exchange the lead back in forth in the stretch run in a rapidly run race by BOTH horses! GOTCHA AGAIN LOL! start your aimless skittering around LOL!!
Cont- when it comes to EG's HUGE RUN down the lane in the Classic ,you guys crow it was a shining example of EG's superior speed and stamina,and that it proved he was the better horse! Sorry boys and girls you can cherry pick things here. This is the proof that EG's lose in the Preakness was not caused by all of your endless excuses,it was caused by Sunday Silence,this is the proof! And Please don't try to claim Day was waiting for the stretch in the Classic to give EG a breather after that,Cont
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Cont- Well it is very clear to me and others! Here we have a horse who after making a VERY HUGE EARLY move in the backside during the Classic,the 1/4 mile time between 6F. and 8F. being 24 3/5,and then making ANOTHER HUGE MOVE in the stretch run,as opposed to EG making a HUGE EARLY move in the preakness,the 1/4 mile time between 6F. and 8F. being IDENTICAL to the same time as the Classic,and yet we are supposed to buy the excuse EG was a "spent" horse in the Preakness final drive,and yet,Cont-
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There are many IDENTICAL things that happened in BOTH of EG's rides in the Preakness and the Classic! EG started slow in BOTH races right? Day moved EG VERY EARLY IN BOTH RACES right? Did you know the 1/4 mile time between the 6F. mark and the 8F. mark were IDENTICAL? 24 3/5 seconds boys and girls! In the Classic EG made a HUGE EARLY MOVE down the backside,and then he UNCORKED ANOTHER HUGE MOVE IN THE STRETCH RUN! Do you see the inconsistancy with this EG was a "spent" horse in the Preakness,CT
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Champ I could care less if you made a mistake with that Whitney galloping out time! It still doesn't change the fact that EG had clearly demonstrated Secretariat like stamina. In fact until a week or so ago,that was one of your reasons for saying EG was clearly superior to SS! Funny how now those times mean nothing,and how the Whitney was totally different,etc.! Whats so funny is I have the proof that "the early move in the Preakness cost EG the race" excuse is full of holes! You had better sit!
That is so true, whatever these meaningless corrected gallop out times were, it has no no no bearing at all to the Preakness way way way too premature and early firing through one of the most insane quarters in Preakness history with six furlongs to run. And that is right, the Whitney EG flew home off of 48,1:12,1;:36 pace, and was NOT moved through an insane way premature 21 sec. 1/4 with 6f to go.
Whatever these corrected gallop outs were, they have nothing at all to do with being shotgunned with 6 FURLONGS from the finish through a 21 second premature quarter. In the Whitney, EG did sit off a real real slow pace, and the cannoned home. COMPLETELY different for that way way premature Preakness gunning with 6F to run.
Doesn't matter what the gallop out times were, they still have no bearing on being moved prematurely with six panels to run the Preakness. In the Whitney, EG was relaxed off a slow, slow pace and rocketed home
I will repeat it for you a few hundred more times since you are so DOC Livingston slow! Easy Goers 9F Gotham gallop out time was 1:45 3/5 in the BH, his Whitney 10F gallop out time was 1:59 2/5 in the BH, but Watchmaker of the DRF had EGs Whitney 10F Gallop out time in 1:58 3/5. The mistake was it was the Whitney 10F Gallop out and not the Gotham, that was the mistake
Easy Goers gallop out times are facts, facts facts! I just went back and took out my own stopwatch for the 10F Gotham gallop out, and that didnt seem right. His Gotham 9F gallop out was 1:45 3/5 and that was in the BH, his 10F Whitney gallop out time was 1:59 2/5, but the mistake was Watchmaker got EG 10F gallop out time in the Whitney of 1:58 3/5, NOT the Gotham. That was wmy mistake. I mistook the Whitney and Gotham 10F gallop out times! That is all
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None of your recent squirming changes the fact that EG COULD HAVE GONE EVEN FASTER AFTER HITTING THE WIRE IN THE GOTHAM! remember you said he was WELL IN HAND,that means he well within himself Champ! No matter how much squirming you do,the case I have made is bulletproof when it comes to EG's almost secretariat like stamina! Funny how thats something you always used vs me,but now I'm using it on you! And judging by the way your skittering around,it has been extremely successful! LOL!
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Whatever time EG galloped out in the Gotham for 10F.,it is quite clear after going 9F. in 1:45 3/5,if Day had kept him going that pace all the way to 10F. he would have gone somewhere in the range of 1:58 an change, if Day slowed him down to a 14 second furlong between 9F and 10F. he would have hit the 1:59 range! He did go 13 1/5 between the 8F and 9F. mark! So your squirming is still not helping you when you say you misread the DRF! You represented it as fact for a long time Champ!
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Your admission to not reading the DRF right about EG's galloping out time in the Gotham,in no way changes the fact that he clearly demonstrated almost secretariat like stamina. What is so funny is how now after I have shot holes thru your "Day used up EG's Stamina in the Preakness" BS,you NOW NO LONGER consider those galloping out times(gotham or any other race) worthy as being proof of EG's superiority over SS(or as you say have no bearing,what?) ! Funny how that changed all of a sudden!
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For all we know his 10F galloping out time could have been even faster in the Gotham! Remember you mention his closing kick in the Whitney,when EG ran his last furlong in 11 seconds! ,and went 10F. in either 1:58 3/5,or 1:59 2/5(either one is very impressive),meaning depending on which time you prefer,he would have covered that final furlong to 10F. in either in 11 1/5 seconds or 12 seconds flat! Either way it was a demonstration of BIG stamina on a track well known for being deep!
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Cont- Now you say your not sure of the Gotham 10F. split of 1:58 3/5! Really after years what has changed in the last week or so? Oh I know,it is because I have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that EG had "secretariat-like" stamina,and it just blows the bottom out of your" Day used up EG's stamina in the Preakness otherwise EG woulda rolled SS" BS! Now Champ's not sure???? LOL! You once again have proven that your moniker of CLOWN is so so appropiate! Keep dancing around guys LOL!!! GOTCHA!!!
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Champ I never said they meant nothing,as far as how your trying to portray it! Your doing another one of your little spin games here. like you saying that I'm using your own clockings of EG's 9F and 10F splits in the Gotham! LOL,you never ever said it was your clockings of the freaking video no less! Whats even funnier is how after saying such BS,you then say the Blood-Horse reported EG galloped out 9F. in 1:45 3/5,thats exactly what you were crowing about! And to top the whole fiasco off,Cont-
Still no comparison to a horse being moved that early through a 21 second quarter to give him the lead with 4F to run, from the 3/4pole to the 1/2 pole, was a way way too premature move through that 21 second quarter. The Whitney pace was much slower, but he came home in 11 seconds
They still mean absolutely nothing at all. In the Whitney, Easy Goer relaxed off a real slow race, Day TRIED to get him in all the trouble he could possibly do off that real slow pace, then EG shot out of a cannon the last eighth, with that gallop out another a eighth.
Whatever the gallop out corrections you just stated STILL have no bearing at all on the way way too premature move in the Preakness. No bearing at all. Gallop outs mean nada. nothing.
Some brilliant gallop out times nonetheless, but they have no bearing on being moved Horrendously too early through that blazing early move, and Days absolute rider error, which it was. EG was off the pace in the dawdling Whitney-G1 pace of 48 and change, and 1:12 and change,Mile in 1:36 and change,came home in 11 seconds. Magical race from EG!
I want to correct some thing I just went back and looked in my 1989 BH and DRF books. There is one mistake I made. EG's gallop out time of 9F in the Gotham was 1:45 3/5 in BloodHorse, his gallop out time in the Whitney of 10F was 1:59 2/5 in the BH, but what I mistaken was Mike Watchamker(DRF) had EGs gallop out time in the Whitney of 1:58.79, not the Gotham. I mistook the Whitney and Gotham gallop out times
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Champ you have always said EG galloped out 9F. in the Gotham in 1:45 3/5! And now you have 2 completely different galloping out times for the Whitney,one being 1:59 2/5,and now your bringing up the DRF time of 1:58 3/5????? Champ if EG went 9F. in1:45 3/5 after winning the Gotham,and in the Whitney went 10F. in1:58 3/5 AFTER running 9F. in 1:47 2/5,which is almost 2 full seconds slower than his Gotham 9F. time,are you gonna say he wasn't gonna finish up 10F in the same time range in the Gotham?
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Cont- has the ability to run on or very close to fractions like 22 2/5 - 44 1/5 - 1:08 3/5 - 1:45 3/5,and finish 10 furlongs in an astounding 1:58 3/5! Please don't feed me your pathetic attempts to steer your way AROUND that fact by saying BS like I'm comparing a 1 turn mile to 9 1/2 and 10F. races around 2 turns! LOL! I'm comparing EG's obvious unlimited stamina in the Gotham to his "magical" lack of stamina in the preakness! How hard is this guys? Really I expected much more out of you! LOL!
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Cont-drunk figure skaters! All I hear is complete avoidance of the SIMPLE FACT THAT EG DEMONSTRATED UNGODLY SPEED AND MORE IMPORTANTLY UNGODLY STAMINA! I hear baseless claims that I said times after a horse crosses the wire are meaningless,I hear there is no comparison between a 1 turn mile and a 2 turn 9 1/2 furlong race! Are you guys really this slow? Hey I know it hurts to admit that EG PROVED beyond a shadow of a doubt that he possessed virtually unlimited stamina,but guys when a horse,Cont-
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Wow after I clearly point out the MAGNITUDE of EG's 10F. clocking of 1:58 3/5,after running VERY FAST FRACTIONS for 8F. in which he damn near equaled the WORLD RECORD FOR A MILE ON DIRT,you guys refuse to own up to the fact that it is the 9F. and 10F. clockings that are the MAIN point here! Not that he won a mile race around 1 turn! LOL!,after I point out HOW MOMENTOUS EG going 10 FURLONGS(A ROUTE DISTANCE BY THE WAY!) in 1:58 3/5 WAS! All you clowns do is skitter around like a bunch of,Cont-
There is no comparison from the Preakness way way premature move 6f from home to the mile Gotham at all. No comparison to way EVERY horse would be ridden in a mile race, a 1 1/4 race, or a 1 1/2 race! Listen to Pat Day, is right, he'll tell any jockey in the world it was totall rider error
Zeror comparison at from a way way premature move in the Preakness to a mile race around any turns. Zero, ask Day if there is any similarity at ALL! Go ask him, Day will teach you plenty of lessons on what his major errors were,listen to Pat Day
NO comparison whatsover from a way too early move in the Preakness with the Gotham mile aroun two turns or one turn. NOne at all. EG had to make up so much ground with that premature move, and he didn't get much of any breather at all, ss was right on him. Day knows and says his ride was absoloute pilot error, and by golly it was
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Cont-Time for a mile was almost 2 seconds slower,the difference between 1:32 2/5 and 1:34 1/5 is HUGE,especially since EG after going 1:32 2/5 went 10 F. in 1:58 3/5! And don't forget Day gave EG a breather before hitting the stretch in the Preakness,thats why I say EG wasn't used up,SS was the reason he lost,and don't forget rubberlegged horses don't fight back and regain the lead in deep stretch like EG did! And they sure as hell do not run the third fastest Preakness in 1:53 4/5 R U gettin it
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Cont-Because of the fact that it is 2 turns,also tends to slow the fractions down! Ironically your trying to say I'm comparing a 1 turn mile race to a 9 1/2 F. race around 2 turns! No guys I 'm comparing the out of this world 8F.,9F.,and 10F. times EG put up with very little effort at all in the Gotham,compared to this claim of EG sudden loss of his stamina in a race with slower fractions! Doubt me? The 1/2 mile time was over 2 seconds slower,the 3/4 time was 1 second slower,and the,Cont-
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Guys when a horse displays stamina totally beyond whats normal, the fact that EG ran 9F. in NEAR WORLD RECORD TIME in 1:45 3/5,and ran IN RECORD TIME going 10F. in 1:58 3/5,and given the fact he went those distances so fast AFTER running 8F. in NEAR WORLD RECORD TIME,is proof he had almost unlimited stamina. That points out that the early move wasn't why EG lost to SS! In fact the 2 turns in the preakness would have made his stamina even a greater weapon than a 1 turn race,meaning the CT-
No comparison to a horse being moved way too prematurely in the Preakness through a 21 second internal quarter to running in the Gotham. None at all, Pat Day even knows that
It is terrible that Pat Day's admitted own big big mistakes cost Easy Goer, and Pat Day admits it, and everybody else can see, and they all wrote about it- Nack, Crist,Watchmaker and many others
A way way too premature move in the Preakness 6F out has no comparison whatsoever to the Gotham, none at all. Listen to Pat Day himself, he is right, he knows
ANY and EVERY horse in the world will or would be ridden differently in a one mile race around one turn vs. the just under 10f Preakness, and Pat Day KNOWS and SAYS his way way too premature move was absolute rider error, Day knows more than you, me or anybody when it comes to riding
You cannot compare if a horse runs a mile race one day to a 1 3/16miles race later on another day. And a very very early move in a 1 31/6m race will cook a horse way way more often that a very early move in a 1m race
YOU BE109 doc livingston stated the GALLOP out imes meant nothing, nothing at all or "dont mean much" whatever. NOW they MEAN everything to you???? LOL You really are Doc Livingston
NO horse in the world would be ridden the same way in the Gotham as in the Preakness, YOU are totally wrong, listen to somebody who knows-Pat Day! Unlike YOU
Guys everytime you moan about EG only losing to SS in the Preakness because he was moved too early and therefore he was used up before the stretch. JUST RECITE THE SPLITS RAN ON GOTHAM S. DAY! 22 2/5 - 44 1/5 - 1:08 3/5 - 1:32 2/5 - 1:45 3/5 - 1:58 3/5! If that isn't a display of UNGODLY stamina I do not know what is! Those splits are solid proof SS beat EG in the Preakness,not some excuse on how EG was used up before the stretch run! LOL! Only a totally biased person would fail to see that!
Cont-GET THIS 9F. in 1:45 3/5(1/5 off Sec's world record!),and he was timed going 10F. in GET THIS 1:58 3/5! Got news for you,in addition to Sec being able to overcome a premature move in the Preakness,these fractions layed down in the Gotham where the fractions tend to much faster than a 2 turn affair are solid proof that this horse could overcome it as well,and you know in the Preakness he almost did! 22 2/5 - 44 1/5 - 1:08 3/5 - 1:32 2/5 - 1:45 3/5 - 1:58 3/5 scream unlimited stamina,Hmmm???
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You guys say only SEC could could have overcome a premature move such as EG had in the Preakness,really? A horse once upon a time won the Gotham S. 8F. going around 1 turn(which means horses are pushed to swifter fractions than a 2 turn race). This horse came within 1/5 of Dr.Fagers longstanding world record(which was also around 1 turn),the fractions in the Gotham were 1/4: 22 2/5 - 1/2: 44 1/5 -3/4: 1:08 3/5 - 8F.:1:32 2/5! This horse after running in such a blistering race,galloped out,Cont-
In addition the fact that going 8F and up on a 1 mile track,also slows most horses down due to the 2 turns. Therefore because of that fact,EG's stamina would be even more dangerous! If a jock can, he will almost always give a horse a "breather between the 3/8 pole to the 1/4 pole. DAY DID THAT,yet even with his PROVEN stamina evidenced in a 1 turn race no less,where riders generally ask more from their mounts than they would if the race was around 2 turns. You guys say he was used up? Hmmmmm???
Cont- To go 8 furlongs around 2 turns,because it is less of a sprint style race,and the same applies to 10F. Therefore his proven UNGODLY stamina would be even more lethal! Do you guys get what I'm saying here? He went 10 F in 1:58 3/5 ,AFTER blazing 8F. in 1:32 2/5 going around 1 turn,meaning he was running harder throughout the entire race than he would have if the race had been around 2 turns! Thats why the excuse of his early move in the Preakness costing the race falls totally apart! Think!
You guys keep saying a horse would be rode completely different in the Gotham and the Preakness. WELL OF COURSE THEY WOULD,BUT thats at the 8F distance! what you guys are avoiding is the fact that EG wasn't asked for everything he had in the Gotham and yet he went 9F. in NEAR WORLD RECORD TIME,and he went 10F. in a time that would have CRUSHED THE TRACK RECORD! Guys 10 F. is still 10F. whether it is run around 1 turn or 2 turns. In fact with his stamina,it would have been easier on EG ,Cont-
Cont- Trust me Champ I have seen this behavior many many times in ALL horses,whether they are racehorses or jumpers,cowhorses,etc. If you doubt me,go ask any trainer about it,and he/she will tell you pretty much the same thing. It may not make sense,as far as on paper,but it is a solid fact. Its in their nature,it is hardwired into them. SS and EG were BOTH EXTREMELY dominant colts,temperament wise. Thats what ALMOST all top horses are. Just watch the Preakness stretch drive,you will see it.
Cont- and lets say in his next race,the trainer bumps him up to stakes level,and on the same track, same distance,same track condition,and he gets a good trip,and yet he gets beat by 6 lengths in 1:36 3/5? It is because he isn't of the same class of the other horses,and they do by nature have a dominance structure. Believe me when I say this,that was probably the reason he lost,he backed out of there because he sensed one or more of his foes were of a more dominant personality! Cont-
I'm not explaining myself because I'm being defensive Champ. You are claiming I said something that means that gallop times mean nothing as far as the time itself goes. They do not mean anything as far as being records,because they are unofficial. I remember having such a discussion with you in the past,and I guarantee that was the point I was making. I have also said that final times BY THEMSELVES mean nothing. Otherwise explain how one day a NWO2/allowance horse can go 8F. in 1:33 4/5,Cont-
Exactly, there is nothing at all similar to being moved way way too prematurely in the Preakness, vs. any move in a one turn mile elongated sprint. None at all
There is NO, NONE whatsoever, comparison at all to the way that a horse is ridden in the Gotham one turn mile, compared to the just under 10f Preakness!! Zero zilch...And no comparison to be moved WAY prematurely through a 21 second quarter, with 6f to run in a 1 3/16 race!! Maybe ONLY SEC could overcome that, not many others at all, if any at all.
And everybody on here is so CORRECT...EG or any great horse would be ridden TONS, TONS differently in the Preakness as opposed to the Gotham Mile...ANYBODY and Everybody knows that, Im shocked that YOU don't!!
I didnt only mention Easy Goers gallop out times in the Gotham, I had also mentioned his gallop out time in the Whitney, and YOU said that they meant nothing at all!! Or "dont mean much" , same thing Clown BE109!!
Sunday Silence is my favorite race horse of all time.
jeffatrim 3 months ago
Last I checked Citation lost 4 of 5 to Noor. Kelso lost 3 of 4 to Beau Purple. Dr Fager lost 2 of 4 to Damascus. Forego lost 2 of 3 to Wajima. John Henry lost 2 of 3 to Mehmet. Skip Away lost 4 of 6 to Formal Gold. Etc.
DELMARCLUB1 5 months ago 3
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last I checked EG lost 3 of 4 to SS.
disciple90633 5 months ago
The times DONT LIE DOC Livingston Fraud Clown!! How could Summer Squall and Codex come home EIGHT Lengths faster??How could EG come Home in 26 and Over 13??? We are talking EG here? LOL, I think U KNow Doc
ruffchamp1 1 year ago 2
Easy Goer routinely came home in 11 or 11 and change and 23 and change or 24, and he came home in a dawdling(for him)almost 26 SECONDS and 13 and change and you are stil wondering why??? Do you know why??
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago 2
LOL!!! Summer Squall went in 18 FLAT!! Codex went in 18 1/5!!! LOL!!!Affirmed in 18 1/5!!! 7 or 8 Lengths faster!! And EG came home in almost 26 SECONDS and 13 and change final 1/8!! Andf you are wondering why it was so SLOW!!!
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Oh and please remember SS and EG went a mile in 1:34 1/5! They then went the final 1 1/2 furlongs in 19 3/5! So when the great Native Dancer goes 19 2/5 after a mile over 4 seconds slower,does that make him pokey? Or Risen Star going 19 3/5 after a mile that was over 2 seconds slower ,does that make RS pokey? Northern Dancer going 19 1/5 after a mile that was over 3 seconds slower,does that mean he was a plug? Are ya gettin it boys? LOL!
BE109 1 year ago
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What really shows your "EG was cooked by an early move in the Preak" is nothing but BS is these simple irrefutable set of facts! Native Dancer went 19 2/5 in his Preak going the final 1 1/2 F,and that was after a 1:38 2/5 mile! Risen Star went 19 3/5,after a mile in 1:36 3/5! Slew went 19 3/5 after a mile in 1:34 4/5! Northern Dancer went 19 1/5 after a mile in 1:37 3/5! Now were they all pokey assed plugs????? Hmmmm LOL!!!!!!!!!
BE109 1 year ago
MOST IMPORTANTLY!! Explain this: Easy Goer routinely came home his last eighth in 11 or 11 and change, and came home his last qrtr in 23 and change and 24 in MOST of his races. How could EG come him his last qrtr in the Preakness in a snail like(for him) 25 4/5(almost 26), and his last eighth in a snail like(for him) 13.1??? I think YOU know the answer black kettle.
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago 2
@DELMARCLUB1 Great great great point DEL Mar. Those come home times for Easy Goer are as much "Proof" as you can get! And they dont lie, neither does Day.
ruffchamp1 1 year ago
How could Secr. lose that ungodly stamina, not Once, not Twice, but 3 times. Running great in two of those races
ruffchamp1 1 year ago
Stop making excuses for all three of Secretariat's losses. He ran a brilliant ungodly 2:26, he got beat in a duel, and it's been said that a bad ride was the reason for his other loss.
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago
Easy Goer was NEVER moebed through an insanely premature 21 second qrtr in any race in his life, including the Gotham. And that isn't to be just shrugged off! LOL.
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago
Pat Day KNEW(NO opinion) what he had underneath him. And Pat Day knew what his "ABSOLUTE rider error" was and what he did totally wrong.
ruffchamp1 1 year ago 2
Pat Day wasnt stating his opinion on "EG legs going rubber at the 1/16 pole"!!!!! And when he tried to have him come out into SS because he was banging him down in tight "EG ran with his head turned and his BODY stayed the same." Day was not stating an opinion on that, he may have been stating an opinion on his "ABSOLUTE rider error"
ruffchamp1 1 year ago 2
Put that insanely premature 21 second qrtr into perspective. As you stated, after Dr Fager ran that slow 48 half, Damascus came and pressured him through 23.1 and 23 quarters! EG ran 21.3
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago 2
It was total pilot error, total pilot error and an atrocious ride that EVERYBODY can see.
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago
And if EG had run a mile in 1:32.2 in the Preakness, he would have been ten lengths in front of SS at the 3/16 pole, and the track record at Pim for a mile is 1:37 and change. And EG not only ran the fastest third qrtr in Preakness history, Day saud he HAD to give him a breather after that insane 21 qrtr but that brather never came! LOL
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago 3
LOL!! Shrug off an insanely premature 21 second quarter?? Oh ok, now I see how much you know!
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago
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You clowns are trying to throw SEC in there to in some way justify your endless excuses for why EG just didn't bitch slap SS everytime they met. I guess you guys are blind to what your doing,but trust me it is very obvious. Hey is an abcess and fever real or just imaginary? I'd like to hear your answer(s)! LOL!
BE109 1 year ago
DOC Livingston Fraud Clown BE109 thinks Day is lying about what he had underneath him with a 1/16 to go, or Day just made up that "ABSOLUTE rider error" thing just b/c Day took intense and huge criticism for his Horrendous ride.
ruffchamp1 1 year ago 3
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@ruffchamp1 Clown, Day is expressing HIS opinion,not lying! Your trying to put words into my mouth,LOL! The fact that you say EG was "done" is nothing more than your way of insinuating SS was inferior. 1:53 4/5 says EG was still getting it done. Oh and SS got it done! That is the problem right there huh?
BE109 1 year ago
Del mar is sooooooo correct. Easy Goer was never ever moved that early through that wicked 21 3/5 move with 6f to go. Pat Day knows what his "ABSOLUTE rider error " was and knows what he had underneath him ALOT more than the Fraaud DOC Livingston does.
ruffchamp1 1 year ago
Black kettle! STOP making excuses for why Secretariat lost that "ungodly stamina" three times in three losses.
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago
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@DELMARCLUB1 Thats the other question you clowns dodge all the time! Explain to me how an abcess or a fever isn't real? If it isn't,then it must have been made up as an excuse! Do you really think that abcess didn't effect his race? Do you really think that lost training time due to the fever really helped him? Is the abcess and fever real or not? LOL!
BE109 1 year ago
And asking YOU for the last three months to watch the video and tell me how far back EG was with 6F to run in the Gotham, then with 4F to run will show you that!! It was an insane 21 SECOND premature qrtr. YOU tell me, was EG moved through an insane 21 sec. premature move in the Belmont? in the Travers? in the Whitney? LOL
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago 2
BLACK Kettle! Easy Goer WAS NOT, I repeat for the thousandth time moved through an insanely premature 21 SECOND, 21 SECOND quarter in the Gotham or in any race in his life!
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago 2
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@DELMARCLUB1 The question is how can a horse go 8F in 1:32 2/5,well within himself,and then go 9F. in 1:45 3/5 while basically being geared down. And NOT PROVE to one and all that he did have supreme stamina,the kind that would have allowed him to merely shrug off a 21 & change 1/4especially when the next 1/4 was run in 24 3/5! With EG leading most of the way! LOL!
BE109 1 year ago
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When you clowns answer a question of mine with a question of your own. Do you know what that tells everybody? LOL,it says your in a big quandry,and can't explain it away intelligently! Come on guys,EG goes 9F. in 1:45 3/5 with complete ease,and goes 12 F. in 2:26 again as easy as it gets,and yet he somehow was "USED UP" going 9 1/2 F. Actually the key point here is the presence of SS in that race where EG was "USED UP"! But of course you guys will never own up to that crucial fact! LOL!
BE109 1 year ago
Del Mar is right. Stop making excuses for Secretariat having an on/off switch in ungodly stamina 3 times, not once, but 3 times.
ruffchamp1 1 year ago
And Easy Goer ran that way way way too early 21 3/5 qrtr mile, while SS did run it in 23 1/5. There is a pretty big difference there, even if 23 1/5 is not walking by no means.
ruffchamp1 1 year ago 4
Pat Day knows what his "ABSOLUTE rider error" was, and Day didn't just state that because of the intense criticism he got for his Horrendous ride. Pat Day knows what he did absolutely wrong.
ruffchamp1 1 year ago 2
I was the one who brought up Secretariat having "selective ungodly stamina". And he did indeed. Don't give SEC excuses for him losing his "ungodly stamina".
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Easy Goer was NEVER moved through an insanely premature 21 second quarter in any race in his life. That is a fact.
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago
Still no response on watching the tape of the Gotham,and how far back EG was from the leader with 6F to run, then with 4F to run! You tell me exactly, from watching the tape, how far back EG was at those poles!
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago 3
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@DELMARCLUB1 Delmar how many times do I have to say quit answering a question with a question of your own! I could care less if you clowns think your better chartcallers than the people who do it for the DRF! In fact I find that quite amusing. You still won't touch the fact that EG went 9F in 1:45 3/5 with complete ease,and in the race right after the Preakness,he goes12F in 2:26 flat in the Belmont,again with complete ease! I have been waiting for answer to this for how long????
BE109 1 year ago
Easy Goer was sent through an insanely premature 21 second quarter, SS ran that same quarter in 23.1!
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago
And that is true, the video does not lie!Watch it! Easy Goer was never moved that early and that fast in any race in his life. Pat Dau knows what he did "ABSOLUTELY wrong", and Secretariat must have had an on/off switch 3 times as a 3YO!
ruffchamp1 1 year ago 4
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@ruffchamp1 Actually Champ Sec had an abcess,a low grade fever,etc. Those things kept him from being 100%. Aside from the abcess in the Wood,I think he still had a big shot in the other two. If you think the abcess didn't affect him,your fooling yourself Champ! Trying the "selective stamina switch back on me? Very original on your part! LOL!
BE109 1 year ago
LOL!! Pat Day knows what his "ABSOLUTELY rider error" was, and Pat Day knows what he had underneath him. And Pa tDay knows what he did totally wrong. Pat Day didn't call his ride in the Preakness "ABSOLUTE rider error" because he of his huge criticism by the racing writers! LOL
ruffchamp1 1 year ago 2
Secretariat must have had a switch he could turn on and off. Heck, he turned that switch off three times as a three year old.
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago
Easy Goer was NEVER moved through an insanely premature 21 second quarter in any race in his life. That is a fact.
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago 2
Go watch the Gotham, and tell me if I am wrong? Tell me where EG was with 6F to run, and with 4F to run.
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago
THe video does NOT LIE, and go watch the video and you tell us what you see?
ruffchamp1 1 year ago
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@ruffchamp1 Who cares what you say the vid says! I could care less,it has nothing to do with the fact,that in the Gotham EG demonstrated unreal stamina,and conveniently enough for you,he supposedly ran out of this unreal stamina in the Preakness(funny how SS coincidentally won huh),yet he demonstrated it in every race after the Preakness! Whats wrong Champ? Did he have a little switch one could turn on and off when it came to this unreal stamina? LOL!
BE109 1 year ago
I am asking you to WATCH the tape of the race and YOU tell me how many lengths EG was with 6F to run, and how many lengths EG was with 4F to run. And YOU tell me if I am wrong! EG was CLEARLY a half length behind the leader with 6F to run, and EG was clearly 2 1/2 or 3 lengths behind the leader with 4F to run. EG had DROPPED BACK.
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago
The video doesn't lie! DOC Livingston, what does the video tell you??? LOL
ruffchamp1 1 year ago
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@ruffchamp1 Once again Champ,I could care less where YOU think EG was at certain points of the race. You are only doing this to avoid what my MAIN point is,that being EG in running 9 furlongs in 1:45 3/5,while being geared down is total proof that he indeed had unreal stamina. That flys directly in the face of this Preakness early move cost him his stamina BS! Stay on topic Champ!
BE109 1 year ago
Oh shoot DOC Livingston, that 1:45 3/5 was also in the DRF! Plenty of DRF people can see how Horrendous Pat Day;s ride was- Joe Hirsch, Crist, Haskin, Watchmaker, Nack of SI! And Pat Day knows what his absolute rider error was, and what he had underneath him
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@ruffchamp1 What is so damn funny is how you guys just scoff at the chartcallers of the DRF in their chart call of the 89 Gotham. Yet you will turn right around and use DRF as the total authority when some of them say EG was better. A bit hypocritical eh?
BE109 1 year ago
Now, you go watch the race with your own eyes and tell me exactly how many lengths off the leader EG was with 6F to run, then 4F to run in the Gotham! YOU tell me with your own eyes if I am wrong!
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago 2
ALL you have to do is watch the tape with your own four eyes, and you will see that with 6F to run in the Gotham, EG was a half length behind the leader, and with 4F to run, EG was 2 1/2 or 3 lengths behind the leader, and had DROPPED back!
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Since the DRF can't get anything right,I will laugh my ass off the next time you clowns quote something from the DRF as proof that EG was better than SS! You clowns cannot have it both ways you know! I guess all of the decades and decades of DRF PP's and workouts are nothing but the results from inept people at the DRF! LOL! I'll stick with what the DRF says on the PP's of all the races! After all they have been doing it a lot longer than the EG Shoulda Woulda Coulda Club has! LOL
BE109 1 year ago
Another great point, and Pat Day KNOWS what he had underneath him with a 1/16 to run, and Day certainly knows what his absolute rider error. Even if u dont agree with the absolute rider error part that Day said, Day is not lying about how EG felt with a 1/16 to go.
ruffchamp1 2 years ago 6
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@ruffchamp1 So I guess SS wasn't a bit tired as well? When you run 9 1/2 furlongs in a sparkling 1:53 4/5(not many TB's can run that kind of time you know!),your sure as hell not going to be fresh as a daisy! LOL! Your just making excuses Champ! LOL!
BE109 1 year ago
And Easy Goer was not Secretariat, but even in SEC insanely premature move in the Preakness, which he started going into the clubhouse turn, was in 22.1, while EG was sent through his insanely premature 21 quarter coming out of the clubhouse turn. Insane in any route race
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago
Great point, Delmarclub! Easy Goer is actually dropping back and losing ground in that same split in a sprint race, and he is flying way too early and going from 4.5 lengths back to the lead with 4f to run, EG did NOT have the lead with 4F to run in the Gotham, he was about 3 lengths back and DID drop back. The video does not lie
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
Do you see the difference yet????? yet?? from his way premature insane 21 second quarter in the route race Preakness and his mile Gotham, where he actually dropped back in the same split. All you have to do is press pause and freeze the video with 6F to run in the Gotham, and then do the same with 4F to run, he drops back 2 or more lengths, and then do the same in the route race, which has no comparsion at all to a sprint race.
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago
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So I guess I should just blindly follow what your position calls are,and just toss the professionals calls at the Daily Racing Form aside as nothing but inept blind BS? Really none of that matters,it is just another attempt by you guys to steer the conversation AWAY from the clear unavoidable FACT that EG did have almost limitless stamina,which he showed in the Gotham going 9F in 1:45 3/5(as a 3 YO no less!),and he showed it again in the Belmont running 2:26 flat. On again,off again stamina? LOL
BE109 1 year ago
More importantly than that. Please go watch the Gotham over and over again with your own eyes, and the Preakness too. With 6F to run in the Gotham, EG was a 1/2 lengths behind the leader, and with 4F to run in the Gotham, Easy Goer DROPPED BACK to be 2 1/2 or 3 lengths behind the leader! EG actually LOST 2 or more lengths in the same split, and the Preakness he was 4 or 5 lengths behind with 6F to run, and in the LEAD with 4F to run!
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago 2
NUMBER one- the Gotham is NOT a route race, and I don't care if he galloped out in 1:43
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago 3
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Delmar ,You don't care if he was clocked going 9F. after winning the Gotham in 1:45 3/5,mainly because it flys directly in to the face of this excuse of EG being used up in the preakness by a early move! And it is also hilarious that you guys use the "route race" line to hide behind. I knew you would do that! The simple fact that the Gotham was a 1 turn race made that 9F clocking even more impressive,as far as stamina is concerned. Running very swift sprinting fractions,and he got 1:45 3/5 easy!
BE109 1 year ago
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Cont- a later stage of the Preakness(between the 4F point and the 6F. point)when he was clocked going 21 3/5 seconds, as compared to his running of a 21& change 1/4 between 2F. and 4F. in the Gotham,,all you guys jump up and down and cry that early move stripped him of this UNGODLY stamina! Sorry boys and girls that rock don't float! LOL! This is the proof right here right in front of you! LOL!
BE109 2 years ago
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So are we gonna hear more of this PREMATURE 21 3/5 /4 move anymore? Are we gonna find you guys hiding behind this "route race" line of yours? Anyone with any sense at all,can see that what EG did in the Gotham,running a 21 & change 2nd 1/4 mile in the Gotham,and then coasting in at 8F. in 1:32 2/5,1/5 off the WR,and then while being basically geared down clocked 9F. in 1:45 3/5,once again 1/5 off the WR,indicates stamina of the type rarely encountered! Yet when he did the same thing at ,Cont-
BE109 2 years ago
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Cont- 6F and 8F. in 23 4/5 seconds,and he was WELL WELL WITHIN HIMSELF TO BOOT! Then he was clocked galloping out 9F. in 1:45 3/5(1/5 off the WR)! The fact that he did this going around 1 turn makes those splits all the more impressive! They also prove that early move in the Preakness wasn't why he lost! He proved he had UNGODLY stamina that day! Just think if Day had let him really run that day in the Gotham? Don't feed me this early move BS anymore! LOL! The key factor was Sunday Silence!
BE109 2 years ago
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You guys don't seem to see the ironic similarity of EG running behind a split 21 4/5 between the 2F. and the 4F. in the Gotham,where he made up 3/4's of a length! Which means he was running faster than the leader! Nor do you get the fact that the internal split between 4F. and 6F. was 24 4/5,in which EG was 1 1/2 lengths behind at the start and was 2 1/2 in front at the end,once again that means he was going MUCH FASTER than 24 4/5! Then he himself ran the last internal split between,Cont-
BE109 2 years ago
Bloodhorse and DRF both- Easy Goer ran a 21 3/5 sec. 1/4m in the Preakness, and SS ran a 23 1/5 sec. 1/4m split.
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
He will never see the difference from what Easy Goer ran in the Preakness in the quarter mile way way too early rocket 21 quartr. 21 or 23????
flylion132 2 years ago
Oh I know, he feels the need to state the same thing on all these videos, I guess it is alright that everybody else says the same thing on all the videos. It is like, onto the next one, the next one, sayin the same thing.
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago
Del Mar, he will never see the bid difference, and he will go onto 10 or 12 videos and say the same thing. Meanwhile, when I am on or 10 or 12 videos saying the same thing, its not ok.LOL!
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
The DOC Livingston really is a Clown Fraud DOC Livingston. He has been responding to me for 3 years now everyday, I have to see this fraud clown BE109 DOC Livingston in my email every single day for 3 years, while he is supposed to be a trainer!!~ What a fraud
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
An internal fraction in 21 and change that premature is much much different from a 23 or 23 2/5, which is fast in it's own right, but not insanely fast 21, and that early in the race.
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago
I am not looking at how far he was behind SS , it is the insanely premature 21 quarter that EG, himself ran, SS was not walking at a all, but SS ran a 23 or so quarter in the same quarter. I hope you see the big difference from 21 and change and 23.
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago
Easy Goer ran that quarter in 21 seconds while SS ran it in 23, 23 is not walking by no means, but I hope you seen the huge difference in 21 or 21 and change from a 23 second quarter that EG ran in the Classic, and SS ran in the Preakness, neither horse in both races was walking by no means, but an insanely premature 21 seconds is a big difference from a 23 or so quarter.
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago 2
He really still doesn't get it. It is about what Easy Goer ran, and he ran a rocket 21 and change in the Preakness. No where near what he ran in the BC, after just an 1/8 of a mile move dow the backstretch.
flylion132 2 years ago
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Whats funny is howyou guys do not seem to realize that SS was making an early move,WHILE EG was still behind him in the backstretch of the preakness! SS is clearly moving up on the leader,and then here comes EG to come up alongside SS! Funny how you only wail about EG's move,but make no mention that SS is doing the same thing! Whats even more damaging to your "EG was moved too early therefore thats why he lost" excuse,is the solid fact that SS in the very next 1/4 mile after they both moved,Cont
BE109 2 years ago
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Cont- made up 2 lengths on EG(after he was forced to check behind Houston),therefore SS was using up more energy around the far turn Commonsense would dictate since SS was moving early at almost the exact same time as EG,and since SS ran a faster 1/4 right after that,and the fact that they both were blazing down the stretch that both horses were both running huge races. Yet what we get from you clowns,is this endless excuse on how if EG hadn't been moved early he would have rolled SS! LOL!!!!!!
BE109 2 years ago
Easy Goer was 4 or 5 lengths back with 6f to run in the Preakness, and was in the lead with 4f to run, and ran a 21 and change quarter to get that lead. In the Classic, EG ran a 23 2/5 quarter there, after making a furlong move down the backstretch.
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago
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Delmar,you say he was 4 or 5 lengths back(from the leader),but at the 4F. mark he was only 1 1/2 back of SS! Who was Day's sole target! As I have told your "friend" Flyboy,it is also quite ironic,that you guys make NO MENTION OF THE FACT THAT SS ACTUALLY COMMENCED A EARLY MOVE ABOUT THE SAME TIME AS EG DID! So don't give me this sour grapes whining BS that the early move was THE REASON EG lost the Preakness! SS made a early move as well! Its plain as day,and you clowns cannot deny it! LOL! WOW!
BE109 2 years ago
EVERYBODY is talking about EASY GOER"s time from 6f out to 4f out in the Preakness. And EG ran a 21 and change quarter. Sorry if you can't take out your watch and time him, but it is obvious.
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago
Not at all, bringing up Easy Goer's gallop outs or his final times is CLEAR proof of how brilliant and great Easy Goer was. Not at all showing him to be better than SS. I can feel Easy Goer was better that SS without those at all.
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
THE blackest kettle in the world is BE109
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago
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And you have the audacity to call me slow? Now that my friends is the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black! LOL!
BE109 2 years ago
Easy Goer ran a 21 and change quarter in the Preakness 6F out, and ran a 23 2/5 quarter in the Classic from the 6F to the 4F pole after being eleven lengths back. Do you see the difference??
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago 2
He really does NOT understand that it WAS ABOUT Easy Goer's insane premature 1/4 of 21 SECONDS, not what Houston ran!! The black kettle is on here all day every day, and he still doesn't know what everybody is talking about, or what Day is talking about either! How sad
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago
GALLOP out times mean nada, nothing at all! I have never said they meant anything at all.
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago
AND gallop out times mean absolutely nothing, and I have always said that.
flylion132 2 years ago
It is NOT about the leaders pace of the race, it IS about Easy Goer's way way premature 21 second 1/4 with 6F to run, not the leaders, and EG did not run a 21 second 1/4 in the Classic at all.!! Get your fracts straight
flylion132 2 years ago
WE are talking about Easy Goer's ridiculous much too early 1/4 in 21 seconds, not the leaders fractions!! Omg. And EG did NOT run a 21 second 1/4 in the Classic at all, he ran an 1/8 of a mile down the backstretch, and an 1/8 of a mile in the homestretch!! Different rides altogether! Go back to school
EZGOERFLEW 2 years ago
And YOU are the one who said gallop out times meant nothing... LOL, you are the one who said that!!!
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
And YOU are posting the fractions of the race???? Are u that slow DOC Livingston??? In the Preakness, it was about Easy Goer's OWN internal fraction in that mind boggling 21 and change that early in the race. Not the fractions for the leaders in the race!! I know you are slow, but come on DOC.
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
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When it comes to the preakness,I am posting the ACTUAL OFFICIAL 1/4 mile time BETWEEN the 6F. mark and the 8F. mark! Do the freaking math between the 6F. and the 8F. marks! EG was in the lead for most of the way between the 6f and the 8F. mark! As for your "mind boggling 21 & change 1/4" it was clocked by someone with a stopwatch,and others caught him in 22 & change for goodness sake! Gonna go with the fasted ESTIMATED TIME huh Champ? Yet you guys scoff at my mention of EG's ESTIMATED,Cont-
BE109 2 years ago
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Cont- Galloping out times in the Gotham and the Whitney(stuff you were always crowing about anyways)! Seems a bit hypocritical to me that you will revere this Preakness "21 sec. 1/4 mile",yet all of you guys try to laugh off any relevance of EG's 9F. ESTIMATED clocking in the Gotham while he was galloping out in 1:45 3/5(1/5 off the world record),or the fact that he was ESTIMATED to have went 10 F in 1:58 3/5 in the Whitney by one of your many "experts" Mike Watchmaker! HYPOCRICY BOYS AND GIRLS
BE109 2 years ago
LOL! When did I EVER say that EG gallop out times MEANT he was clearly superior to SS?????????? I said that EG gallop out times were mind boggling and amazing, that isnt the reason for him being better than ss!! LOL try again
ruffchamp1 2 years ago 2
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Oh please Champ spare me this BS that you weren't bringing up all those times where EG ran fastest here,there,and everywhere,to show EG was superior to SS! That rock don't float Champ! You guys are tied to your endless bragging on EG's BRILLIANT SPEED,and his LEGENDARY STAMINA(your own words) as being proof he was the better horse! It is WAY WAY TOO LATE for you to backtrack now! Or how about you and your "friends" constant ridicule of SS when he got DESTROYED by 8 in the Belmont? LOL!!!
BE109 2 years ago
HOW many times do I have to tell YOU to stop replying to me in comments. Leave all the comments you want DOC Livingston. I dont need to see you 10 times a day in my email inbox for 3 straight years you fraud clown DOC Livingston!
ruffchamp1 2 years ago 2
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LOL!, it seems your getting a little ticked off? Chill out hombre,LOL!!!!
BE109 2 years ago
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Cont- EXTREMELY EARLY HUGE move in the Classic ok? Day clearly stated he wanted to move with SS when SS took off around the turn,but that EG couldn't keep up! But when the track straightened out he sure took off then did he not? Tired horses do not do such things,,just as tired,or "spent" horses do not finish a 9 1/2 F. in 1:53 4/5,nor do they exchange the lead back in forth in the stretch run in a rapidly run race by BOTH horses! GOTCHA AGAIN LOL! start your aimless skittering around LOL!!
BE109 2 years ago
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Cont- when it comes to EG's HUGE RUN down the lane in the Classic ,you guys crow it was a shining example of EG's superior speed and stamina,and that it proved he was the better horse! Sorry boys and girls you can cherry pick things here. This is the proof that EG's lose in the Preakness was not caused by all of your endless excuses,it was caused by Sunday Silence,this is the proof! And Please don't try to claim Day was waiting for the stretch in the Classic to give EG a breather after that,Cont
BE109 2 years ago
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Cont- Well it is very clear to me and others! Here we have a horse who after making a VERY HUGE EARLY move in the backside during the Classic,the 1/4 mile time between 6F. and 8F. being 24 3/5,and then making ANOTHER HUGE MOVE in the stretch run,as opposed to EG making a HUGE EARLY move in the preakness,the 1/4 mile time between 6F. and 8F. being IDENTICAL to the same time as the Classic,and yet we are supposed to buy the excuse EG was a "spent" horse in the Preakness final drive,and yet,Cont-
BE109 2 years ago
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There are many IDENTICAL things that happened in BOTH of EG's rides in the Preakness and the Classic! EG started slow in BOTH races right? Day moved EG VERY EARLY IN BOTH RACES right? Did you know the 1/4 mile time between the 6F. mark and the 8F. mark were IDENTICAL? 24 3/5 seconds boys and girls! In the Classic EG made a HUGE EARLY MOVE down the backside,and then he UNCORKED ANOTHER HUGE MOVE IN THE STRETCH RUN! Do you see the inconsistancy with this EG was a "spent" horse in the Preakness,CT
BE109 2 years ago
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Champ I could care less if you made a mistake with that Whitney galloping out time! It still doesn't change the fact that EG had clearly demonstrated Secretariat like stamina. In fact until a week or so ago,that was one of your reasons for saying EG was clearly superior to SS! Funny how now those times mean nothing,and how the Whitney was totally different,etc.! Whats so funny is I have the proof that "the early move in the Preakness cost EG the race" excuse is full of holes! You had better sit!
BE109 2 years ago
That is so true, whatever these meaningless corrected gallop out times were, it has no no no bearing at all to the Preakness way way way too premature and early firing through one of the most insane quarters in Preakness history with six furlongs to run. And that is right, the Whitney EG flew home off of 48,1:12,1;:36 pace, and was NOT moved through an insane way premature 21 sec. 1/4 with 6f to go.
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago 2
Whatever these corrected gallop outs were, they have nothing at all to do with being shotgunned with 6 FURLONGS from the finish through a 21 second premature quarter. In the Whitney, EG did sit off a real real slow pace, and the cannoned home. COMPLETELY different for that way way premature Preakness gunning with 6F to run.
flylion132 2 years ago
Doesn't matter what the gallop out times were, they still have no bearing on being moved prematurely with six panels to run the Preakness. In the Whitney, EG was relaxed off a slow, slow pace and rocketed home
EZGOERFLEW 2 years ago
Does that clarify what my mistake was. I simply put Watchamkers Whitney 10F Gallop out of 1:58 3/5 as the Gotham 10F gallop out time!
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
I will repeat it for you a few hundred more times since you are so DOC Livingston slow! Easy Goers 9F Gotham gallop out time was 1:45 3/5 in the BH, his Whitney 10F gallop out time was 1:59 2/5 in the BH, but Watchmaker of the DRF had EGs Whitney 10F Gallop out time in 1:58 3/5. The mistake was it was the Whitney 10F Gallop out and not the Gotham, that was the mistake
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
So, the mistake was simply in the Whitney and GOtham 10F gallop out times, and I will change that accordingly for YOU on my page.
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
Easy Goers gallop out times are facts, facts facts! I just went back and took out my own stopwatch for the 10F Gotham gallop out, and that didnt seem right. His Gotham 9F gallop out was 1:45 3/5 and that was in the BH, his 10F Whitney gallop out time was 1:59 2/5, but the mistake was Watchmaker got EG 10F gallop out time in the Whitney of 1:58 3/5, NOT the Gotham. That was wmy mistake. I mistook the Whitney and Gotham 10F gallop out times! That is all
ruffchamp1 2 years ago 2
Hold up there DOC Livingston Im not changing anyhthing at all.
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
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None of your recent squirming changes the fact that EG COULD HAVE GONE EVEN FASTER AFTER HITTING THE WIRE IN THE GOTHAM! remember you said he was WELL IN HAND,that means he well within himself Champ! No matter how much squirming you do,the case I have made is bulletproof when it comes to EG's almost secretariat like stamina! Funny how thats something you always used vs me,but now I'm using it on you! And judging by the way your skittering around,it has been extremely successful! LOL!
BE109 2 years ago
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Whatever time EG galloped out in the Gotham for 10F.,it is quite clear after going 9F. in 1:45 3/5,if Day had kept him going that pace all the way to 10F. he would have gone somewhere in the range of 1:58 an change, if Day slowed him down to a 14 second furlong between 9F and 10F. he would have hit the 1:59 range! He did go 13 1/5 between the 8F and 9F. mark! So your squirming is still not helping you when you say you misread the DRF! You represented it as fact for a long time Champ!
BE109 2 years ago
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Your admission to not reading the DRF right about EG's galloping out time in the Gotham,in no way changes the fact that he clearly demonstrated almost secretariat like stamina. What is so funny is how now after I have shot holes thru your "Day used up EG's Stamina in the Preakness" BS,you NOW NO LONGER consider those galloping out times(gotham or any other race) worthy as being proof of EG's superiority over SS(or as you say have no bearing,what?) ! Funny how that changed all of a sudden!
BE109 2 years ago
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For all we know his 10F galloping out time could have been even faster in the Gotham! Remember you mention his closing kick in the Whitney,when EG ran his last furlong in 11 seconds! ,and went 10F. in either 1:58 3/5,or 1:59 2/5(either one is very impressive),meaning depending on which time you prefer,he would have covered that final furlong to 10F. in either in 11 1/5 seconds or 12 seconds flat! Either way it was a demonstration of BIG stamina on a track well known for being deep!
BE109 2 years ago
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Cont- Now you say your not sure of the Gotham 10F. split of 1:58 3/5! Really after years what has changed in the last week or so? Oh I know,it is because I have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that EG had "secretariat-like" stamina,and it just blows the bottom out of your" Day used up EG's stamina in the Preakness otherwise EG woulda rolled SS" BS! Now Champ's not sure???? LOL! You once again have proven that your moniker of CLOWN is so so appropiate! Keep dancing around guys LOL!!! GOTCHA!!!
BE109 2 years ago
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Champ I never said they meant nothing,as far as how your trying to portray it! Your doing another one of your little spin games here. like you saying that I'm using your own clockings of EG's 9F and 10F splits in the Gotham! LOL,you never ever said it was your clockings of the freaking video no less! Whats even funnier is how after saying such BS,you then say the Blood-Horse reported EG galloped out 9F. in 1:45 3/5,thats exactly what you were crowing about! And to top the whole fiasco off,Cont-
BE109 2 years ago
Still no comparison to a horse being moved that early through a 21 second quarter to give him the lead with 4F to run, from the 3/4pole to the 1/2 pole, was a way way too premature move through that 21 second quarter. The Whitney pace was much slower, but he came home in 11 seconds
flylion132 2 years ago
They still mean absolutely nothing at all. In the Whitney, Easy Goer relaxed off a real slow race, Day TRIED to get him in all the trouble he could possibly do off that real slow pace, then EG shot out of a cannon the last eighth, with that gallop out another a eighth.
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago
Whatever the gallop out corrections you just stated STILL have no bearing at all on the way way too premature move in the Preakness. No bearing at all. Gallop outs mean nada. nothing.
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago
Some brilliant gallop out times nonetheless, but they have no bearing on being moved Horrendously too early through that blazing early move, and Days absolute rider error, which it was. EG was off the pace in the dawdling Whitney-G1 pace of 48 and change, and 1:12 and change,Mile in 1:36 and change,came home in 11 seconds. Magical race from EG!
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
I want to correct some thing I just went back and looked in my 1989 BH and DRF books. There is one mistake I made. EG's gallop out time of 9F in the Gotham was 1:45 3/5 in BloodHorse, his gallop out time in the Whitney of 10F was 1:59 2/5 in the BH, but what I mistaken was Mike Watchamker(DRF) had EGs gallop out time in the Whitney of 1:58.79, not the Gotham. I mistook the Whitney and Gotham gallop out times
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Champ you have always said EG galloped out 9F. in the Gotham in 1:45 3/5! And now you have 2 completely different galloping out times for the Whitney,one being 1:59 2/5,and now your bringing up the DRF time of 1:58 3/5????? Champ if EG went 9F. in1:45 3/5 after winning the Gotham,and in the Whitney went 10F. in1:58 3/5 AFTER running 9F. in 1:47 2/5,which is almost 2 full seconds slower than his Gotham 9F. time,are you gonna say he wasn't gonna finish up 10F in the same time range in the Gotham?
BE109 2 years ago
LOL! You arer the one who said gallop out time meant nothing!! LOL
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
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Cont- has the ability to run on or very close to fractions like 22 2/5 - 44 1/5 - 1:08 3/5 - 1:45 3/5,and finish 10 furlongs in an astounding 1:58 3/5! Please don't feed me your pathetic attempts to steer your way AROUND that fact by saying BS like I'm comparing a 1 turn mile to 9 1/2 and 10F. races around 2 turns! LOL! I'm comparing EG's obvious unlimited stamina in the Gotham to his "magical" lack of stamina in the preakness! How hard is this guys? Really I expected much more out of you! LOL!
BE109 2 years ago
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Cont-drunk figure skaters! All I hear is complete avoidance of the SIMPLE FACT THAT EG DEMONSTRATED UNGODLY SPEED AND MORE IMPORTANTLY UNGODLY STAMINA! I hear baseless claims that I said times after a horse crosses the wire are meaningless,I hear there is no comparison between a 1 turn mile and a 2 turn 9 1/2 furlong race! Are you guys really this slow? Hey I know it hurts to admit that EG PROVED beyond a shadow of a doubt that he possessed virtually unlimited stamina,but guys when a horse,Cont-
BE109 2 years ago
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Wow after I clearly point out the MAGNITUDE of EG's 10F. clocking of 1:58 3/5,after running VERY FAST FRACTIONS for 8F. in which he damn near equaled the WORLD RECORD FOR A MILE ON DIRT,you guys refuse to own up to the fact that it is the 9F. and 10F. clockings that are the MAIN point here! Not that he won a mile race around 1 turn! LOL!,after I point out HOW MOMENTOUS EG going 10 FURLONGS(A ROUTE DISTANCE BY THE WAY!) in 1:58 3/5 WAS! All you clowns do is skitter around like a bunch of,Cont-
BE109 2 years ago
There is no comparison from the Preakness way way premature move 6f from home to the mile Gotham at all. No comparison to way EVERY horse would be ridden in a mile race, a 1 1/4 race, or a 1 1/2 race! Listen to Pat Day, is right, he'll tell any jockey in the world it was totall rider error
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago
Exactly, Days very early move was a killer for any horse, well maybe not Secretariat! Who else?
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
YOU are the one who SAID GALLOP out times meant nothing!! LOL, or dont mean much at all as you like to put it!
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
Zeror comparison at from a way way premature move in the Preakness to a mile race around any turns. Zero, ask Day if there is any similarity at ALL! Go ask him, Day will teach you plenty of lessons on what his major errors were,listen to Pat Day
flylion132 2 years ago
NO comparison whatsover from a way too early move in the Preakness with the Gotham mile aroun two turns or one turn. NOne at all. EG had to make up so much ground with that premature move, and he didn't get much of any breather at all, ss was right on him. Day knows and says his ride was absoloute pilot error, and by golly it was
EZGOERFLEW 2 years ago 2
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Cont-Time for a mile was almost 2 seconds slower,the difference between 1:32 2/5 and 1:34 1/5 is HUGE,especially since EG after going 1:32 2/5 went 10 F. in 1:58 3/5! And don't forget Day gave EG a breather before hitting the stretch in the Preakness,thats why I say EG wasn't used up,SS was the reason he lost,and don't forget rubberlegged horses don't fight back and regain the lead in deep stretch like EG did! And they sure as hell do not run the third fastest Preakness in 1:53 4/5 R U gettin it
BE109 2 years ago
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Cont-Because of the fact that it is 2 turns,also tends to slow the fractions down! Ironically your trying to say I'm comparing a 1 turn mile race to a 9 1/2 F. race around 2 turns! No guys I 'm comparing the out of this world 8F.,9F.,and 10F. times EG put up with very little effort at all in the Gotham,compared to this claim of EG sudden loss of his stamina in a race with slower fractions! Doubt me? The 1/2 mile time was over 2 seconds slower,the 3/4 time was 1 second slower,and the,Cont-
BE109 2 years ago
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Guys when a horse displays stamina totally beyond whats normal, the fact that EG ran 9F. in NEAR WORLD RECORD TIME in 1:45 3/5,and ran IN RECORD TIME going 10F. in 1:58 3/5,and given the fact he went those distances so fast AFTER running 8F. in NEAR WORLD RECORD TIME,is proof he had almost unlimited stamina. That points out that the early move wasn't why EG lost to SS! In fact the 2 turns in the preakness would have made his stamina even a greater weapon than a 1 turn race,meaning the CT-
BE109 2 years ago
Pat Day does even know that, and Day says his atrocious ride cost the horse, and everybody can see that
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago
No comparison to a horse being moved way too prematurely in the Preakness through a 21 second internal quarter to running in the Gotham. None at all, Pat Day even knows that
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago
It is terrible that Pat Day's admitted own big big mistakes cost Easy Goer, and Pat Day admits it, and everybody else can see, and they all wrote about it- Nack, Crist,Watchmaker and many others
flylion132 2 years ago
A way way too premature move in the Preakness 6F out has no comparison whatsoever to the Gotham, none at all. Listen to Pat Day himself, he is right, he knows
flylion132 2 years ago
Yeah, how many horses can be moved that premature with that early a move 6f out in the Preakness and win, maybe one - SEC is correct
flylion132 2 years ago
ANY and EVERY horse in the world will or would be ridden differently in a one mile race around one turn vs. the just under 10f Preakness, and Pat Day KNOWS and SAYS his way way too premature move was absolute rider error, Day knows more than you, me or anybody when it comes to riding
flylion132 2 years ago
You cannot compare if a horse runs a mile race one day to a 1 3/16miles race later on another day. And a very very early move in a 1 31/6m race will cook a horse way way more often that a very early move in a 1m race
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
NO COMPARISON at all from the Preakness, classic race, to the Gotham Mile. NONE at all, these people are so right, and so is Pat Day, Day is right!!
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
YOU BE109 doc livingston stated the GALLOP out imes meant nothing, nothing at all or "dont mean much" whatever. NOW they MEAN everything to you???? LOL You really are Doc Livingston
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
NO horse in the world would be ridden the same way in the Gotham as in the Preakness, YOU are totally wrong, listen to somebody who knows-Pat Day! Unlike YOU
EZGOERFLEW 2 years ago
Guys everytime you moan about EG only losing to SS in the Preakness because he was moved too early and therefore he was used up before the stretch. JUST RECITE THE SPLITS RAN ON GOTHAM S. DAY! 22 2/5 - 44 1/5 - 1:08 3/5 - 1:32 2/5 - 1:45 3/5 - 1:58 3/5! If that isn't a display of UNGODLY stamina I do not know what is! Those splits are solid proof SS beat EG in the Preakness,not some excuse on how EG was used up before the stretch run! LOL! Only a totally biased person would fail to see that!
BE109 2 years ago
Cont-GET THIS 9F. in 1:45 3/5(1/5 off Sec's world record!),and he was timed going 10F. in GET THIS 1:58 3/5! Got news for you,in addition to Sec being able to overcome a premature move in the Preakness,these fractions layed down in the Gotham where the fractions tend to much faster than a 2 turn affair are solid proof that this horse could overcome it as well,and you know in the Preakness he almost did! 22 2/5 - 44 1/5 - 1:08 3/5 - 1:32 2/5 - 1:45 3/5 - 1:58 3/5 scream unlimited stamina,Hmmm???
BE109 2 years ago
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You guys say only SEC could could have overcome a premature move such as EG had in the Preakness,really? A horse once upon a time won the Gotham S. 8F. going around 1 turn(which means horses are pushed to swifter fractions than a 2 turn race). This horse came within 1/5 of Dr.Fagers longstanding world record(which was also around 1 turn),the fractions in the Gotham were 1/4: 22 2/5 - 1/2: 44 1/5 -3/4: 1:08 3/5 - 8F.:1:32 2/5! This horse after running in such a blistering race,galloped out,Cont-
BE109 2 years ago
In addition the fact that going 8F and up on a 1 mile track,also slows most horses down due to the 2 turns. Therefore because of that fact,EG's stamina would be even more dangerous! If a jock can, he will almost always give a horse a "breather between the 3/8 pole to the 1/4 pole. DAY DID THAT,yet even with his PROVEN stamina evidenced in a 1 turn race no less,where riders generally ask more from their mounts than they would if the race was around 2 turns. You guys say he was used up? Hmmmmm???
BE109 2 years ago
Cont- To go 8 furlongs around 2 turns,because it is less of a sprint style race,and the same applies to 10F. Therefore his proven UNGODLY stamina would be even more lethal! Do you guys get what I'm saying here? He went 10 F in 1:58 3/5 ,AFTER blazing 8F. in 1:32 2/5 going around 1 turn,meaning he was running harder throughout the entire race than he would have if the race had been around 2 turns! Thats why the excuse of his early move in the Preakness costing the race falls totally apart! Think!
BE109 2 years ago
You guys keep saying a horse would be rode completely different in the Gotham and the Preakness. WELL OF COURSE THEY WOULD,BUT thats at the 8F distance! what you guys are avoiding is the fact that EG wasn't asked for everything he had in the Gotham and yet he went 9F. in NEAR WORLD RECORD TIME,and he went 10F. in a time that would have CRUSHED THE TRACK RECORD! Guys 10 F. is still 10F. whether it is run around 1 turn or 2 turns. In fact with his stamina,it would have been easier on EG ,Cont-
BE109 2 years ago
Cont- Trust me Champ I have seen this behavior many many times in ALL horses,whether they are racehorses or jumpers,cowhorses,etc. If you doubt me,go ask any trainer about it,and he/she will tell you pretty much the same thing. It may not make sense,as far as on paper,but it is a solid fact. Its in their nature,it is hardwired into them. SS and EG were BOTH EXTREMELY dominant colts,temperament wise. Thats what ALMOST all top horses are. Just watch the Preakness stretch drive,you will see it.
BE109 2 years ago
Cont- and lets say in his next race,the trainer bumps him up to stakes level,and on the same track, same distance,same track condition,and he gets a good trip,and yet he gets beat by 6 lengths in 1:36 3/5? It is because he isn't of the same class of the other horses,and they do by nature have a dominance structure. Believe me when I say this,that was probably the reason he lost,he backed out of there because he sensed one or more of his foes were of a more dominant personality! Cont-
BE109 2 years ago
I'm not explaining myself because I'm being defensive Champ. You are claiming I said something that means that gallop times mean nothing as far as the time itself goes. They do not mean anything as far as being records,because they are unofficial. I remember having such a discussion with you in the past,and I guarantee that was the point I was making. I have also said that final times BY THEMSELVES mean nothing. Otherwise explain how one day a NWO2/allowance horse can go 8F. in 1:33 4/5,Cont-
BE109 2 years ago
Exactly, there is nothing at all similar to being moved way way too prematurely in the Preakness, vs. any move in a one turn mile elongated sprint. None at all
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago
There is NO, NONE whatsoever, comparison at all to the way that a horse is ridden in the Gotham one turn mile, compared to the just under 10f Preakness!! Zero zilch...And no comparison to be moved WAY prematurely through a 21 second quarter, with 6f to run in a 1 3/16 race!! Maybe ONLY SEC could overcome that, not many others at all, if any at all.
flylion132 2 years ago
And everybody on here is so CORRECT...EG or any great horse would be ridden TONS, TONS differently in the Preakness as opposed to the Gotham Mile...ANYBODY and Everybody knows that, Im shocked that YOU don't!!
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
I didnt only mention Easy Goers gallop out times in the Gotham, I had also mentioned his gallop out time in the Whitney, and YOU said that they meant nothing at all!! Or "dont mean much" , same thing Clown BE109!!
ruffchamp1 2 years ago