Instead of posting ignorant comments lets open an encyclopedian and read about the former Bulgarians from Fyrom and their "language"
"Macedonian is similar to Bulgarian and is sometimes been regarded as a variety of that language. "
"Encyclopedia of Bilingualism and Bilingual Education", Colin Baker, Sylvia Prys Jones, p 415
And the former Bulgarians have by state propaganda been taught that their renamed Bulgarian language is related to ancient greek Macedonians. How ignorant can you get
HOMER ONCE SAID IN HIS BOOK:"ALEXANDER TOLD SOMETHING TO HIS SOLDIER THAT I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND" tHIS PROOFES OF ancient macedonian language and it's only saved 150 words. Stop Stealing our MACEDONIAN HISTORY. WE ARE MACEDON
@evanskatsaros43 I don't know was it Homer or was it the Roman Homer ((That's how ancient Greeks called everyone, MACEDONIANS had their own Gods and Homer named them by their gods.For Example:Homer gave the name of the godness Athens in Macedonia. Macedonians didn't write, only Greeks wrote so Homer saw a Macedonian godness that looked like Hellas's Athena and named her ATHENA)) that i forgot his name, the point is it was written by other and it's prooved that Macedonians had their own language
@simearsov ancient Macedonians spoke Greek, participated in the Olympics, participated in every Pan-Hellenic celebration (religious usually) and had bared the same names. I don't know what you think about all these but please consider them.
@evanskatsaros43 THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT MACEDONIANS SPOKE GREEK BUT THERE IS PROOF OF MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE AND IT'S ONLY SAVED 150 WORDS of IT. Greeks are the CHURCH and macedonians are the Science. Church: The man has been created from god: Dirt and Sand. Eva ate the apple, so women have troubles giving birth. Science: Man has become from evolution. First from Homo Erectus then Neanderthals, then Homohild.....etc. Who would you listen too.In the past Greeks were smart, but now they are thiefs
@simearsov Your langauge was called Bulgarian just 100 years ago. Communist renamed it "Macedonian". But still it is just a Bulgarian dialect.
The whole world knows you are slavs/Bulgarians and totally unrelated to anything Macedonian.
It is hillariouse that you hill billy slavs even try to connect your Bulgarian language to anything ancient. It just shows you have a huge complex about your so called identity.
@jk34695 I'm MACEDONIAN AND BECAUSE WE ARE PROUD OF IT YOU GREEKS ARE JUST JEALLLOOUUSSS . That's why when we say Macedonians you GO CRAZY. You ARE JUST JEALOUS BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT MACEDONIANS AND BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT CALLED MACEDONIANS. GREECE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HELLAS . It's the same when you say that Ancient Macedonia has nothing to do with today's macedonia. YOU CHOOSE ARE WE MACEDONIANS OR NOT, COS IT DEPENDS ARE YOU HELLAS OR NOT
@simearsov so Alexander spread a foreign to him culture to his new provinces, it just doesn't make sense. You just go ahead and see what you want to see. Even the names Alexander, Phillip, Perdicas and Macedonia are Greek and have a meaning in Greek. Your language is Bulgarian you can't deny that and if you do you are stupid.
@evanskatsaros43 You are the stupidest man in the whole world. You think that ancient Greek or Hellas is today's Greece?? ? ?Today's Greece has nothing to do with Ancient Greek. You greeks don't have the rights to write about Alexander or Philip. AS I SAID ONLY GREEKS WERE WRITING IN THE PAST AND THEY WRITE WHATEVER THEY WANT WITHOUT THE MACEDONIANS KNOWING.
@simearsov of course we have the right. It comes from the greek word democracy. You might not have the right because you are an outcome of Tito's expirement.
@evanskatsaros43 Another thing is that PHILIP II spent his young years in Greece, learning and studing the Greeks and all their tactics and when HE BECAME KING OF MACEDONIA HE USED GREEK WEAKNESSES THAT HE LEARNED AGAINST THEM. Before Philip II became king, he was strugling so hard to became king, because ATHENS DIDN'T ALLOW HIM TO BECAME KING BUT HE SUCCEED IN THAT. HE BEAT ALL NATIONS IN HELLAS AND PREPARED ALEXANDER FOR BECOMING KING. First Geeks were laughing at 18 YEAR OLD ALEXANDER,JERKSSS
@simearsov the only thing that Philip used from Southern Greece was the Theban phalanx which he evolved into the Phalanx which we know today. By the way why do you always change the subject? Can't you actually destroy my arguments? Philip grew in Macedonia, only Alexander was educated by Aristotle an Athenian philosopher.
@evanskatsaros43 If he was Educated by a Greek it doesn't make him a greek. And why did Alexander spread helenic culture. First answer me.... From where did the Romans got their culture? ? From GREEKS....YES!!!! SO ROMANS ARE GREEKS?? NO..ROMAnS LIKED GREEK CULTURE AND ACCEPT IT AND SPREAD IT OVER THE MEDITERRANEAN SO ROMANS ARE GREEK ?? Same alexander did. Liked greek culture, accepted it and spread it all over the world ... NOW IT MAKES SENSE RIGHT?? NOONE CAN TELL ME HISTORY
@simearsov The Romans had their own culture and no it was not Greek, it was Latin it had some similarities with the Greek culture but still that doesn't make it Greek. You have probably confused the fact that the Greece, Syria, Asia Minor, and generally the former Alexandrian lands accepted the Greek culture and the Greek language was spoken only there. In Rome and west from there people spoke their native language and Latin not Greek. the Romans did not spread Greek culture. Alexander did.
@FYROMalwaysBULGARIA If i'm a bulgarian you are Turkey, you jerk. Macedonian was the real language and then Bugars stole it from us. You are just another stupid Turkish Greek that knows: NOTHING... Here read more about Macedonia and the forgotten HISTORY (Write this on en . wikipedia . org: /Macedonia _ (terminology) Here you can even see that BUGARS SAID THAT MACEDONIA EXISTED IN 1843 year.
FYROMIANS ARE SLAVS AND THEIR LANGUAGE IS ALSO SLAVIC LIKE RUSSIAN ETC. SLAVS CAME IN EUROPE IN MIDDLE AGES(ABOUT 6 AD) AND BECAME CHRISTIANS FROM GREEKS. GREECE HAS THE OLDEST HISTORY IN EUROPE.According to Herodotus(ancient greek poet), the history of Macedonia began with the Makednoi tribe (makednos means "tall" in Ancient Greek). Alexander's the Great father was the Phillipos II. FYROM IS NEWLY ESTABLISHED STATE AND BEFORE BELONGED TO YUGOSLAVIA. MACEDONIA WAS AND WILL BE GREEK.
We were stupid to see the people of this country as enemies.We could share this country with Serbia-Bulgaria-Albania or even if this country wanted to exist(wouldn't without Americans),we could see them as friends and not as enemies, since they have common things with us or they want to have.We should be friends in Balcans and not enemies.As for the history,it is written on the ancient signs of Macedonian monuments and the inscriptions on the statues and it is written in Greek.
@ARISFRVR1 You will share my dick, stupid animal ! Servia and HeLLaSS are death ! Republic Macedonia will united with Bulgaria... 70 % of the land ! 30 % are albanian...
Ok.I sure there r many different theories,but ur seems unlikely to me simply cause slavs were never enslaved in their homeland.As for south slavs they were conquered by the turks but at that time so were the greeks and many others,so theres no reason to only call them slaves.
Anyway ive red several theories on origin n history of slavs but ive never came across ur.Id be thankful if u could leave a link.
P.S.
I see we both agree that what fyromans r doing is butchering history n it would have
@Djordje555555 I am not trying to say there were not slaves. And of course not to offend all the slavs. I am making a debate since some new research is being conducted on the origin of the word slav. This is a very sensitive matter but since slavomacedonians want to scratch and obscure history then we also have to look deeper into the truth and present everything for their roots. There is a point to what I am saying for the word slav. I've looked to some of the research.
this doesn't mean that all the slavs should be identified as slaves. actually the Greek Byzantines named skabos the south slavs because they were to many times enslaved. but since the rest of the world gave slavs the name slav which is synonym to slave it is used for all the slavs. but everyone is trying to avoid this. because it used to refer only to the south slavs. history really can show the truth when you start to scratch. especially when slavomacedonians try to steal Greek culture.
the word slav to denote the tribes from the north came up after 5th AD. the slavs didn't name them selves as slavs. other people did. if you look for the etymology of the word sclavus you will see that it comes from the Greek sklabos. so the order is: sklabos > sclavus > slave. In between the rest of the world named the tribes from the north as slavs. But the Greek Byzantines use the word Sklabos to denote the slavs. so go figure out what the word slave appeared to denote. it is kept silently.
First of all im not sure whos more stupid,fyromans with fake history or greeks who equalize slav with slave.
Alexander was greek,we all know that n thats the end of the story.But greeks should learn not all words in this world originate from english.The word slav originates from "slava".Proto slavic originated far from Roman or Greek (or English for that matter) inf so to make a parallel between them is as stupid as if i would clame that Greek=geek or wathever...
@Djordje555555 read papers from Sorin Paliga from the University of Bucharest about slavic ethnogenesis. The important thing to understand and find the truth is that you didn't name your selves as slavs. the rest of the world did for a reason at that time. and it was to denote only the south slavs. look also at the etymology of the word sclavus. everything is on the internet. there is still research going on but nobody wants to remember how the words slav and slaves appeared.
slavomacedonians were only slavs = slaves, from Greek Sklabos, later latin Sclavus, later slave. Hence slavomacedonians = slave macedonians. they had nothing to do with Greek people. they just moved to a territory from the north. enjoy your stupid history stupid slaves.
YOU TALK ABOUT PROPAGANDA WHEN YOU DO SAME THING FOR DECADES. STOP LAYING TO YOUR OWN PEOPLE. ITS NOT ONLY IN THE SCHOOLS OF THAT COUNTRY I CAN SAY IT IS EVEN IN THE GREEK MEDIA. THIS IS WHY HELLAS WENT BANKRUPT.
aytos papas einai i deksi heri tou Papademos i tou diavolou stin ekslisia den milame gia politiki milame mono gia ton teo agapi kai ola ta orea enas papas prepi na to lei ayto pou mas to elege o teos o teos ta vlepi ola kai oli pou kanoun kako tha pane sti kolasi
Greeks can never be Makedonians
Viva la MAKEDONIA 4 all Makedonians but never 4 facist greeks
slavo-macedonians go find a life and a future. stupid bastards. you are slavs. living in the northern territory of Macedonia. and slavs=slaves. You are still the slaves of turks and albanians.
αυτος ο μαλάκας ο hatloverxxx ήταν και σε ένα άλλο βίντεο στο οποίο πάλι έλεγε τις ίδιες μαλακίες για reasoning και παπαριές. Μην του μιλάτε απαξιώστε τον. Του έλεγα ότι είμαι μακεδόνας και έλληνας κι αυτός μου έλεγε ότι δεν έχω reasoning. Hatloverxxx άη γαμήσου μαλάκα γαμώ το μουνί της μάνας σου μέσα γαμώ!
fyromanians dindnt exist before communists came to Serbia! In 1st and 2nd Balkan war Serbia liberated fyrom(in that period fyrom was South Serbia)from the turks.Serbia liberated it because Serbians lived in that region.Then when Yugoslavia was made, communist wanted Serbia to be weak so they made countries like bosnia,Fyrom.The truth is that region of fyrom today was always Serbian because Serbians lived there!Alexander the great was Greek,real name of fyrom is South Serbia!
@hatloverxxx all you have said is how the English and Scots are not the same then said how that means the other Greeks and Macedon we both not the same.
Not only is this not really very detailed and not in context its also fallacious reasoning.
@thegreathistorian7 The context is that both peoples, Scots & MK want to be independent from their southern neighbours & failing that, at least see themselves as distinct entities.
The similarities are so great that it's almost scary. Now, if you are purblind, that is no skin off my nose.
You can say "Oh MKians spoke Greek, had Greek names, Greek religion!". So what? I never deny that in my reasoning. And at least l give reasoning.
@hatloverxxx Oh what do you want here? You are sprending fyromian propaganda? Leave from here and go play some gaida, fyromian doll! Leave!!!! You are a lier who wants to make the others feel liers.
@hatloverxxx don't lecture me, -a scotsman on our situation and say its paralleled to your horrific fraud against the Hellenic people. You are shameful, Greece is tearing itself apart and you choose to believe a lie and tear from them their identity and pride and call it your own.
@thegreathistorian7 You've failed to say anything of any substance. You are no academic. And you are blind if you think there are no Scots wanting independence.
I'm not going to get into the why and wherefore of Scottish independence, it just suffices to say that there is some feeling for it in Scotland, and it if it legitimate there, it is legitimate for MK.
Who are you to dispossess a people of their country just because they speak a language that Greece doesn't like???
@hatloverxxx Scottish political direction has no bearing on the Rom to say otherwise to substantiate a view is fallacy. As the Macedonian language is a codified west Bulgarian dialect I don't think just Greece has the problem with it I presume Bulgarian must also. However I wish to end this discussion now as im fully aware you are taught and alternate history that is only taught in RoM (Macedonians predate homo sapiens, Slavs predate Greeks etc) so to reason with the brainwashed is pointless.
@thegreathistorian7 Where did you read this it is quite funny...slavs predate Greeks? Slavs don't go 5000 years back mate...the Greeks do...read before you come here and speak lies....
@Vasilios20th are you retarded? Why dont you re-read my post, slowly this time, it clearly states those examples as part of RoM's propaganda and not actual history.
"end this discussion now as im fully aware you are taught and alternate history that is only taught in RoM (Macedonians predate homo sapiens, Slavs predate Greeks etc) so to reason with the brainwashed is pointless. "
@hatloverxxx Hatlover,please dont talk crap, Macedonia is Greek,I wont say much,FYROM dont got any proof that they are Macedonians,they only speak of it,Greece has all the artifacts,the Macedonian heritage is Greek,Alexanders's fathers's grave,Philips's is IN GREECE...dont mistake the lies FYROM so wish to say and self proclaim themselves as Macedons,they arent...The person who named them that,Communist Leader Tito said they got nothing to do with Alexander or Greece's real Macedonian heritage!
# Note how MK developed as a separate ethnicity, mixing with lighter skinned people / passing on Greek culture to them (not as their masters, but as brothers).
# Like the Scots, the Macedonians mixed with more northern people & gradually developed a separate ethnicity. The Slavic identity is a LATE contribution to the Macedonian ethnogenesis. The Macedonians were already developing separately to the Greeks, but the Slavs put finishing touches to it.
Calm down, dear Greeks. Contemporary Czechs are referred to as Czechs, although it is genetically proven that only 10 % of them can claim that their ancestors were living in Bohemia 1000 years ago (the rest have their roots in Russia, East Germany, the Balkans etc.). Besides, the name Bohemia is of Celtic origin and nevertheless we as well as our neighbours use this designation when refering to this country.
The fact that the location of your nowadays formed nation is in the ancient macedonia cannot be confused with the history, cause if so, then Turkey, Egypt, Southern Arabia (Persians) and so on would have claimed that they are Macedonians, but they are proud of their own history. There is no city that Alexander conquered and has not his name in it. But that doesnt mean that he is their ancenstor. The location and nothing more is giving you the trigger for that claim but it is totally wrong.
Isnt it strange everyone in FYROM speaks Bulgarian langueage, have Bulgarian name, look like Bulgarians, but they claim to be "Makedonians". In the Middle Ages Makedonia was Greek and Bulgarian land. In different century it was ruled by different country, but it was never a 3rd country. always part of Bulgaria or Greece. How come at 1991 it become a different country? Do you seriosly believe to the comunists, after what they did here in the Balkans? Thats suicidal.
I doubt that the great philosopher as Aristotel will teach Alexander if he was not greek, but thats just my opinion. He did not teach Tracheans (Bulgarians), but he teached Alexander? If Alexander was not greek, Aristotel would never even meet him.
Fyroms famouse poets. Everything in Fyrom has been falsified to fit their new idenity
"The Miladinov Brothers (Bulgarian: Братя Миладинови, Bratya Miladinovi, Macedonian: Браќа Миладиновци, Brakja Miladinovci), Dimitar Miladinov (1810–1862) and Konstantin Miladinov (1830–1862), were Bulgarian poets and folklorists from Macedonia,"
ΕΣΕΙΣ ΕΙΣΤΕ ΣΛΑΒΟΙ ΕΜΕΙΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ ΑΥΤΟ ΔΕΝ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΚΑΚΟ.. ΚΑΚΟ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΝΑ ΠΡΟΣΠΑΘΕΙΤΕ ΝΑ ΓΙΝΕΤΑΙ ΚΑΤΙ ΣΑΝ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΠΟΛΥ ΔΥΣΚΟΛΟ ΓΙΑ ΣΑΣ ΝΑ ΑΝΤΙΛΗΦΘΕΙΤΕ ΟΤΙ ΟΛΑ ΑΠΟ ΤΗΝ ΕΛΛΑΔΑ ΑΡΧΙΣΑΝ ΚΑΙ ΟΤΙ ΣΤΗΝ ΕΛΛΑΔΑ ΘΑ ΤΕΛΕΙΩΣΟΥΝ
whether the people in this video consider themselves as Macedonians is almost irrelevant. The truth of the matter is whether or not Macedonia and its glorious history has ever been tied to slavics. There is absolutely nothing that ties this region to Bulgarian or slavs until the 1500s. FYROMians could be correlated to the Nazi Regime creating a false history and idealism. It is really pathetic. Ever ask yourselves why their is so many issues with your identity ?
@Terpsimos we got issues about our identity because the rest of the balkan people screwed us over dispite the fact helping them...macedonia was torn appart by its neibours ... and we never called our selfs bulgarian the people in this part always called them selfs macedonians even after the mix with the slavs atleast Macedonians,Greeks and Albanians are native to the balkan,the bulgarians are justa Mongol tribe that was stupid enought to follow hitler in the 2 world war...
Slavs and ancient Macedonians have never lived side by side. When the slavs arrived in the area the population was ortodox Christian Greeks from the Byzantinne empire. Those Greeks kicked out your Bulgarian ancestor - Tsar Samuil and they got the nickname Bulgarslayers.
You are totally missinformed by your state propaganda.
Stop harressing the real native Macedonians they dont want to have anything to do with you former Bulgarians.
@jk34695 i've read the book dums ass "Za Makedonckite Raboti" there's no fucking line sayin "We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves" the only thing in that context that was said was from Kiro Gligorov "We are still Macedonians despite our blood being now slavic"
@RundownCK183 sure ;-)))) You new identity was engineered in communist Yugoslavia. But why dont you open a history book and read about all your Bulgarian ancestors like Tsar Samuil (renamed to "Macedonian" just in Fyrom)
Wiki
Samuel[1] (also Samuil, representing Bulgarian: Самуил, pronounced [samuˈil]) was the Emperor (Tsar) of the First Bulgarian Empire from 997 to 6 October 1014.
Be proud of your Bulgarian empire
omg what have your government done to you poor people
@jk34695 the goverment did nothing to me i've seen the writing that was left on the walls and it could been read clearly МАКЕДОНИЈА writen in Кирилица you can't fake a stone old 1000 years dumb ass !
@jk34695 first of it was never a bulgarian empire,second it was never called kosovo vilayett fyrom was called macedonia before 1944 ... there were lots of rebelations the macedonians did back there and you know what ... the rebels had flags "За една слободна Македонија" so suck it bitch ! i know my history... and check the vatican's files for Кирил and Методи who claimed they were macedonians we have true facts but ignorant bastards like you never accept it sry you were born in incest
@RundownCK183 Lets move out from the propaganda bubble and get back to the real world, shall we? Here is your proud ancestors Tsar Samuil the Bulgarian from the Bulgarian empire
" Samuel[1] (also Samuil, representing Bulgarian: Самуил, pronounced [samuˈil]) was the Emperor (Tsar) of the First Bulgarian Empire from 997 to 6 October 1014. From 980[2] to 997, he was a general under Roman I of Bulgaria, "
Your government have made you hate your own ancestors
@Terpsimos when in mein kamf he explained his kill list : jew,gypsies,blacks,slavs ... the bulgarians are idiots who'd want to call him a self a bulgarian
BIGGEST Propoganda in damn GREEK Schools, fill the students' minds with Greek Nationalism and hatred of Turks, Albanians,Macedonians Bulgarians and so on..Teachers and Education System just pumps "Greeks invented everything" They are superior race in the world and so many silly things, brainwashing only
@Gaylipooo This is true my friend ancient Greeks invent everything do you disagree??..when you say the truth is not propaganda,i disagree with the nationalism...Propaganda is your country Fyrom giving money(in time of big crisis) to build statues in the center of your capital and making films against Bulgarians..ok keep looking the statues and repeat it and you will became real Macedonian..please let the Great Alexander rest in peace..Friendly greetings
@Gaylipooo the same history is taught and can be accessed in every single nation on earth (China, North Korea, And McDonia aside- who have their own versions) :L
well did someone came to as and tell as from today you will be Macedonians ???
I may say that the Greeks stoling our Macedonian history only because they are maybe fear from Bucharest agreement. Or maybe we the Macedonians sprung up from the ground HAHAHAHAHA
Kiro Gligorov:'We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century (AD) we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians.We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia.A man who had several assassination attempts made against him to keep him silent by Skopian extremists, died at age 94,a sad day for a man that knew the truth, sadly the Fyromians keep getting fed propoganda by Gruevski..from scandinavia!
@europetravel22 i agree about that,but alot of people are just blindly talking shit calling us bulgarians i know im slavic im not some ignorant dumb ass but a slav mixed from what ever part of hellenic blood that was left here in this region on the balkan, and no i don't have hellenic culture or language,but i do have a name and history even if its slavic history,im not some bulgarian dog that came from a Mongol tribe here in 1500 slavs where here since 600 when they mixed with the macedonians
@RundownCK183 Here are your ancestors. Saint Naum renamed to "Macedonian" JUST in Fyrom but Bulgarian in the rest of the wolrd:
"Saint Naum (Bulgarian: Свети Наум, Sveti Naum), also known as Naum of Ohrid or Naum of Preslav (c. 830 – December 23, 910) was a medieval Bulgarian scholar and missionary among the Slavs.["
@RundownCK183 my friend what u are saying is acceptable..it is ok at least by me to say that u are from a slavic tribe..there is nothing wrong with that..the problem is with other people in your country who are trying to get something that was never theirs... ! i respect your slavic history as u say..but u mustn't confused it with the ancient greek one!
ok!! your name is fyromians or peones.Ancient peones you was when we was as we are now Macedonians,so peones,... in greek "peos" is the Dick.. and i think..that for you state-village the right name is peonia or peograd or peos direkt.!have a nice dreaming Peomians.
fyrom people are slavs. This is a fact. The guy at the end of the video is right. We, greeks, overreacted in 1992, and they became dumb nationalists. Ofcourse macedonian history is greek, but macedonian area has many...residents. So, back in 1992 we should have compromised, let'say they could be named slavomacedonia or sth. They would accept it then. Now, they deny their history, their language, their anchestors, everything. And 'discovered' things that do not exist. But we are all at fault...
the enemy is the turks not you! other enemys fight against the greece hundrets of jears against us in the secret,and want us to be down like now,the greece to be slaved in europe,the enemy is a lier,they want us to be down for long time, and that the jugos,not be in our side in the past wars and now,we pai a lot of money in the past balkan wars,dont forget that greece is loyal,so the turks dont cant us slaved us for 400 jears when you are loyal to be us.the next war is coming,and be true to us!
jugoslavian orthodox brothers, you must be akzept that your tribe comes from the north east europe russia to down south europe, your tribe is slavian, an that alexander the great, from the name simpli is greece, from the father name is "philipp" and his mother "olympia" is a greece name, and from his fathers tribe to herakles comes, and that the mazedonian is a greece tribe, like the spartans, minoans, mykäner, trojans is greece to, to our island the sicily, so on, you want to steal our history?
@SPARTANER777 you come from sub-saharian my dear afrikan that you call yourself greek and we always been an will be Macedonians...enjoy your burning Athens ;)
@undermyrules I you are Macedonian as you claim, why do you speak a Bulgarian dialect?? And why do you have a slavic name and surname?? Weird. Alexander the Great and Macedonians spoke Greek and they had Greek names
Τους γαμήσαν τα μυαλά και τα κάναν ΜΑΛΑΚΙΣΜΕΝΑ όλα,άκου τι λέει το μαλακισμένο,τους έδινε εντολές στα Σκοπιανά "ΝΤΟΜΠΡΟ-ΝΤΟΜΠΡΟ ΒΟΥΚΕΦΑΛΟΦΣΚΙ ?? ",είναι να γελάς και να τους γαμάς.
3:29.... NO, SKOPJIANS ARE BECOMING MORE MORONIC!!!
3:38.... NO, HISTORIANS AND THE EVIDENCE THAT THEY ARE GREEK CONVINCED EVERYONE
5:58... THE FACT YOUR DUMB ASS PEOPLE BELIEVE THEY ARE MACEDONIANS IS NOT POLITICAL BUT BECAUSE YOU ARE NARROW MINDED BULGARIANS SLAVS WITH NO HISTORY!!!
1:38 "There might not be written monuments from the ancient Macedonian dialect, but it is greatly known that he used to give his orders using the ancient Macedonian dialect".
With all due respect, how can anyone capable of critical thinking, can accept this as true ? Greatly known from WHO ? There is no historical evidence! It's checkmate, this is auto-canceling. There are no monuments for ancient Macedonian dialect because such a thing doesn't exist. Maybe it's hard to accept, but it's true.
@1MAKEDONEC1 This monument is the biggest banana in your ass,that you have fitted it there by yourselves,A SELF-STUCK BANANA FOR THE FUTURE OF YOUR COUNTRY. And how do you called it ? "THE WARRIOR ON THE HORSE",why not Alexander the great ???????
All my Greek-friend colleages are "Greek-Professors of the Sciences P.H.D.Masters of Science and Bacholer of Sciences Supreme Friendly Teachers and Educators,better than any English Subjects" of FALSE-Fyroms.Fyroms is a False English Agency of The Theft of Elgin Thefts of the GREEK White-Beuatiful Greek Parthenon & Acropolis White Marbled Sculpters which should immeidiately,with Styrofoam and Bubble-Wrapped Soft Packaging, ALL White Marbles Statues"ALL"returned by Ship to Athens,GREECE Museums!!
"only Macedonians who were educated under the old Yugoslav government are anti-Bulgarian oriented. Unexpectedly later in an interview for the Macedonian magazine "Kapital" he sharply criticized the policy of Republic of Macedonia stating, by this way, hiding the truth about the Bulgarian roots and history of the Macedonian people, it has no future."
Central Committee George Lebamoff (Macedonian Patriotic Organization)
@jk34695 Lebamoff is a Bulgarian from Macedonia. He is not a Macedonian. And his organization is tearing itself apart. Unlike the pro-Bulgarian organization, the Macedonian ones in the diaspora are flourishing with tens of thousands of members.
During the middle ages Greece was known widely as Kingdom of Rome and/or Imperium Graecorum (by the Roman west that saw eastern Rome as being too Greek to be real Romans)
@jk34695 During the Middle Ages, Kingdom of Rome ( Byzantium) was doing everything to prove that it was country that was successor of the Old Roman Empire. Do not forget that.
Encyclopedia Britannica:" In this period Bulgaria became a cultural centre of eastern Europe, especially famous for its literary schools of Preslav (now Veliki Preslav) and Ohrid. Τhe Bulgars and Slavs had melded into a Slavic-speaking, Christianized people essentially identical to today’s Bulgarians. "
@jk34695 Bulgaria was well established at the time when St. Cyril and Methodius were on their missions, and while Bulgaria was building its country, the Slavs in Macedonia remained under Byzantium and were Christianized by Byzantium. Then how can we talk about melding at that time?
So lets summerize. Around 1000 AD the people in the Bulgarian(which one part is today called Fyrom) empire with Ohrid as one of the capitals was called by others and called themself Bulgarians ...
Then we fast forward to 1850 ad and the orginators of Fyroms folklore - the Mildinaov brothes which also called themself Bulgarians
Then around 1940 , Fyroms immigrants in USA still called themself Bulgarians but later discoverd it was not about nationality
@jk34695 Around 870 AD we were under Byzantium and were called Romans (citizens of Byzantium). We were part of the Patriarchate of Constantinople, loyal subjects of the Emperor. Does that make ethnic Romans?! At the 14th century we were under Serbian rule. Does that make us also Serbs?! In the same time you were called Romans too, then became Greeks again. Does that make you both?!
@macedonian89 "“There is a message that is historical and still politically has to be said…. Macedonia is a Greek-Speaking kingdom in Northern Greece, populated by people using Greek names, Greek months and worshiping Greek Gods.
Those who live in Skopje, and say that is Macedon and Alexander’s homeland, are as Ignorant and Outrageous as if someone was to say that Oxford University was really in Belarus and Oxford was Minsk.“"
Robin Lane Fox world famoue historian from Oxford university
@macedonian89 As an "expert" you are well aware of course that many Byzantine "Romans", not only spoke Greek (the official language of the state), but also studied Greek philosophy and considered ancient Greeks their ancestors right? (as opposed to say Mayan philosophy, language and culture)
Those Byzantinne Greeks also got their nickname Bulgarslayers when they removed your Bulgarian ancestors from the area (modern greek Macedonia).
@jk34695 Is that what your propaganda teaches ? You must have watched sci fi movies big time. As you can see there's a side effect too. You may want to realize that there's a REALITY that doesn't match your propaganda.
@angielicious93 That empty comment just proves you are former self determined Bulgarians that have no facts what so ever.
Even your city names proves(Solun , Postol) you are just very confused former Bulgarians that got a new "name". Time has past and now you have cornered yourself with all your fabrications.
@angielicious93 only since Tito did people where you live call yourself purely "Macedonian" in (the context of Macedon etc) prior to that it was bulgarian, and bulgarian macedonian (in the context of the last REGION to be applicable)
@TrueMakedonian Read Gligorov's last interview for a Greek media. Gligorov never denied he is a Macedonian. NEVER! He says that we are Slavs, but never denied that we are ethnic Macedonians. Nobody here denies that we are predominantly Slavic people. Maleski was not voted, he was out in the Government after the collapse of SFRY. Georgievski won the elections before changing his attitude. Nowadays, because of that, he is deserted. And Gligorov never made doubts about whether he is Macedonian.
@TrueMakedonian Why do not you search for older clips from Ljubcho Georgievski?After the independence he was the one talking to hold the VMRO-DPMNE congress in Solun. He was the one rejecting the decision for a new flag. After 2005, yes, he is a new person. That is why even his party kicked him. And he still today considers himself ethnic Macedonian.
re ellines parte ta opla k pame n ts kinigisoume ts poustides ts skopianous
arissuper3100 23 hours ago
The most obvious name for their country would be ''Republic of Skopjie''.
Unfortunately, that name has no history behind it. But their population
is about 24% Albanians,35% Bulgarians,30% Slavs ,11% other ethnic groups
and they need some history for their whole population (even stolen) ,in order
to keep their population and country united. Also, they need a name that has
no connection with Albania,Bulgaria and Serbia. So, the only neighboring state
left is the really unlucky Greece...
MATAZA10 4 days ago
Instead of posting ignorant comments lets open an encyclopedian and read about the former Bulgarians from Fyrom and their "language"
"Macedonian is similar to Bulgarian and is sometimes been regarded as a variety of that language. "
"Encyclopedia of Bilingualism and Bilingual Education", Colin Baker, Sylvia Prys Jones, p 415
And the former Bulgarians have by state propaganda been taught that their renamed Bulgarian language is related to ancient greek Macedonians. How ignorant can you get
jk34695 5 days ago
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@marianna285gr ..!. :)
impdarkboy 6 days ago
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impdarkboy 6 days ago
HOMER ONCE SAID IN HIS BOOK:"ALEXANDER TOLD SOMETHING TO HIS SOLDIER THAT I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND" tHIS PROOFES OF ancient macedonian language and it's only saved 150 words. Stop Stealing our MACEDONIAN HISTORY. WE ARE MACEDON
simearsov 6 days ago
@simearsov Homer predated Alexander 150 years....
evanskatsaros43 6 days ago
@evanskatsaros43 I don't know was it Homer or was it the Roman Homer ((That's how ancient Greeks called everyone, MACEDONIANS had their own Gods and Homer named them by their gods.For Example:Homer gave the name of the godness Athens in Macedonia. Macedonians didn't write, only Greeks wrote so Homer saw a Macedonian godness that looked like Hellas's Athena and named her ATHENA)) that i forgot his name, the point is it was written by other and it's prooved that Macedonians had their own language
simearsov 5 days ago
@simearsov ancient Macedonians spoke Greek, participated in the Olympics, participated in every Pan-Hellenic celebration (religious usually) and had bared the same names. I don't know what you think about all these but please consider them.
evanskatsaros43 5 days ago
@evanskatsaros43 THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT MACEDONIANS SPOKE GREEK BUT THERE IS PROOF OF MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE AND IT'S ONLY SAVED 150 WORDS of IT. Greeks are the CHURCH and macedonians are the Science. Church: The man has been created from god: Dirt and Sand. Eva ate the apple, so women have troubles giving birth. Science: Man has become from evolution. First from Homo Erectus then Neanderthals, then Homohild.....etc. Who would you listen too.In the past Greeks were smart, but now they are thiefs
simearsov 5 days ago
@simearsov Your langauge was called Bulgarian just 100 years ago. Communist renamed it "Macedonian". But still it is just a Bulgarian dialect.
The whole world knows you are slavs/Bulgarians and totally unrelated to anything Macedonian.
It is hillariouse that you hill billy slavs even try to connect your Bulgarian language to anything ancient. It just shows you have a huge complex about your so called identity.
jk34695 5 days ago
@jk34695 I'm MACEDONIAN AND BECAUSE WE ARE PROUD OF IT YOU GREEKS ARE JUST JEALLLOOUUSSS . That's why when we say Macedonians you GO CRAZY. You ARE JUST JEALOUS BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT MACEDONIANS AND BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT CALLED MACEDONIANS. GREECE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HELLAS . It's the same when you say that Ancient Macedonia has nothing to do with today's macedonia. YOU CHOOSE ARE WE MACEDONIANS OR NOT, COS IT DEPENDS ARE YOU HELLAS OR NOT
simearsov 5 days ago
@simearsov so Alexander spread a foreign to him culture to his new provinces, it just doesn't make sense. You just go ahead and see what you want to see. Even the names Alexander, Phillip, Perdicas and Macedonia are Greek and have a meaning in Greek. Your language is Bulgarian you can't deny that and if you do you are stupid.
evanskatsaros43 4 days ago 3
@evanskatsaros43 You are the stupidest man in the whole world. You think that ancient Greek or Hellas is today's Greece?? ? ?Today's Greece has nothing to do with Ancient Greek. You greeks don't have the rights to write about Alexander or Philip. AS I SAID ONLY GREEKS WERE WRITING IN THE PAST AND THEY WRITE WHATEVER THEY WANT WITHOUT THE MACEDONIANS KNOWING.
simearsov 4 days ago
@simearsov of course we have the right. It comes from the greek word democracy. You might not have the right because you are an outcome of Tito's expirement.
anagno13 2 days ago
@evanskatsaros43 Another thing is that PHILIP II spent his young years in Greece, learning and studing the Greeks and all their tactics and when HE BECAME KING OF MACEDONIA HE USED GREEK WEAKNESSES THAT HE LEARNED AGAINST THEM. Before Philip II became king, he was strugling so hard to became king, because ATHENS DIDN'T ALLOW HIM TO BECAME KING BUT HE SUCCEED IN THAT. HE BEAT ALL NATIONS IN HELLAS AND PREPARED ALEXANDER FOR BECOMING KING. First Geeks were laughing at 18 YEAR OLD ALEXANDER,JERKSSS
simearsov 4 days ago
@simearsov the only thing that Philip used from Southern Greece was the Theban phalanx which he evolved into the Phalanx which we know today. By the way why do you always change the subject? Can't you actually destroy my arguments? Philip grew in Macedonia, only Alexander was educated by Aristotle an Athenian philosopher.
evanskatsaros43 3 days ago
@evanskatsaros43 If he was Educated by a Greek it doesn't make him a greek. And why did Alexander spread helenic culture. First answer me.... From where did the Romans got their culture? ? From GREEKS....YES!!!! SO ROMANS ARE GREEKS?? NO..ROMAnS LIKED GREEK CULTURE AND ACCEPT IT AND SPREAD IT OVER THE MEDITERRANEAN SO ROMANS ARE GREEK ?? Same alexander did. Liked greek culture, accepted it and spread it all over the world ... NOW IT MAKES SENSE RIGHT?? NOONE CAN TELL ME HISTORY
simearsov 1 day ago
ALEXANDER SPOKE GREEEEEEK AND HIS ANCESTORS WERE GREEEKSS!!!
gamotoish 1 day ago
@gamotoish No, Aleksandar spoke Bulgarian dialect and his ancestors were Bugari
FYROMalwaysBULGARIA 19 hours ago
@simearsov The Romans had their own culture and no it was not Greek, it was Latin it had some similarities with the Greek culture but still that doesn't make it Greek. You have probably confused the fact that the Greece, Syria, Asia Minor, and generally the former Alexandrian lands accepted the Greek culture and the Greek language was spoken only there. In Rome and west from there people spoke their native language and Latin not Greek. the Romans did not spread Greek culture. Alexander did.
evanskatsaros43 1 day ago
@evanskatsaros43 alexander said that was greek if you khow alexander was going to olimpik games and only greek alow to take part
arissuper3100 23 hours ago
@simearsov Yes but...you speak Bulgarian and you are BULGARIAN. Why the fk he didn't spread your Bulgarian culture huh??? Idiot
FYROMalwaysBULGARIA 19 hours ago
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@FYROMalwaysBULGARIA If i'm a bulgarian you are Turkey, you jerk. Macedonian was the real language and then Bugars stole it from us. You are just another stupid Turkish Greek that knows: NOTHING... Here read more about Macedonia and the forgotten HISTORY (Write this on en . wikipedia . org: /Macedonia _ (terminology) Here you can even see that BUGARS SAID THAT MACEDONIA EXISTED IN 1843 year.
simearsov 11 hours ago
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FYROMIANS ARE SLAVS AND THEIR LANGUAGE IS ALSO SLAVIC LIKE RUSSIAN ETC. SLAVS CAME IN EUROPE IN MIDDLE AGES(ABOUT 6 AD) AND BECAME CHRISTIANS FROM GREEKS. GREECE HAS THE OLDEST HISTORY IN EUROPE.According to Herodotus(ancient greek poet), the history of Macedonia began with the Makednoi tribe (makednos means "tall" in Ancient Greek). Alexander's the Great father was the Phillipos II. FYROM IS NEWLY ESTABLISHED STATE AND BEFORE BELONGED TO YUGOSLAVIA. MACEDONIA WAS AND WILL BE GREEK.
mariosg931 1 week ago
SERBIA-GREECE-BULGARIA-RUSSIA ORTHODOX BROTHERS WITH POWER FROM THE GOD
ARISFRVR1 1 week ago
Nαι ειναι Μακεδονας ο Μ.Αλεξανδρος ναι η Μακεδονια ειναι Μακεδονικη ΜΟΝΟ ΠΟΥ Η ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ ΡΕ ΖΩΑ
spyros9797 1 week ago
VARDARSKA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA NEVER MACEDONIA NEVER
Youngkossi 1 week ago
Χαχαχα τι λέει το κορίτσι στο 2:57.. Πάλι καλά, υπάρχει και κάποιος που μας φοβάται ακόμα!!
paparisatsalis 1 week ago
poor skopians..full of propaganda...i feel sorry for you ..love from Hellas
R3dro0st3R 1 week ago
@R3dro0st3R share your love with Turkish Cyprus !
footballgr 1 week ago
For the serbs enemies are croats? yea and also albanians, bulgarians, hungarians, turks, germans, austrians, americans...... lol
1GTX1 2 weeks ago
We were stupid to see the people of this country as enemies.We could share this country with Serbia-Bulgaria-Albania or even if this country wanted to exist(wouldn't without Americans),we could see them as friends and not as enemies, since they have common things with us or they want to have.We should be friends in Balcans and not enemies.As for the history,it is written on the ancient signs of Macedonian monuments and the inscriptions on the statues and it is written in Greek.
ARISFRVR1 2 weeks ago
@ARISFRVR1 You will share my dick, stupid animal ! Servia and HeLLaSS are death ! Republic Macedonia will united with Bulgaria... 70 % of the land ! 30 % are albanian...
footballgr 1 week ago
Ask an Indian or the tribe of Kalash(search it) to tell you whether Alexander the Great was Greek or not!!!
evelynacandy 2 weeks ago
been funny if it wasnt so sad.
Djordje555555 2 weeks ago
Ok.I sure there r many different theories,but ur seems unlikely to me simply cause slavs were never enslaved in their homeland.As for south slavs they were conquered by the turks but at that time so were the greeks and many others,so theres no reason to only call them slaves.
Anyway ive red several theories on origin n history of slavs but ive never came across ur.Id be thankful if u could leave a link.
P.S.
I see we both agree that what fyromans r doing is butchering history n it would have
Djordje555555 2 weeks ago
@lokapos
And the way u r saying it it seem so me ur tryin to say there were no slaves before the slavs so they became synonymous for slaves...cmon.
That part of history is well known...no need to invent hot water.
Djordje555555 2 weeks ago
@Djordje555555 I am not trying to say there were not slaves. And of course not to offend all the slavs. I am making a debate since some new research is being conducted on the origin of the word slav. This is a very sensitive matter but since slavomacedonians want to scratch and obscure history then we also have to look deeper into the truth and present everything for their roots. There is a point to what I am saying for the word slav. I've looked to some of the research.
lokapos 2 weeks ago
@lokapos
Ok,bro,please enlighten me...whose slaves were south slavs?
Bisantine?I dont think so.Turkish?They came alot later.
Whose then?
But I guess if somebody from Romania said so it must be the truth then.
Djordje555555 2 weeks ago
this doesn't mean that all the slavs should be identified as slaves. actually the Greek Byzantines named skabos the south slavs because they were to many times enslaved. but since the rest of the world gave slavs the name slav which is synonym to slave it is used for all the slavs. but everyone is trying to avoid this. because it used to refer only to the south slavs. history really can show the truth when you start to scratch. especially when slavomacedonians try to steal Greek culture.
lokapos 2 weeks ago
the word slav to denote the tribes from the north came up after 5th AD. the slavs didn't name them selves as slavs. other people did. if you look for the etymology of the word sclavus you will see that it comes from the Greek sklabos. so the order is: sklabos > sclavus > slave. In between the rest of the world named the tribes from the north as slavs. But the Greek Byzantines use the word Sklabos to denote the slavs. so go figure out what the word slave appeared to denote. it is kept silently.
lokapos 2 weeks ago
Wow un fckn belivable.
First of all im not sure whos more stupid,fyromans with fake history or greeks who equalize slav with slave.
Alexander was greek,we all know that n thats the end of the story.But greeks should learn not all words in this world originate from english.The word slav originates from "slava".Proto slavic originated far from Roman or Greek (or English for that matter) inf so to make a parallel between them is as stupid as if i would clame that Greek=geek or wathever...
Djordje555555 2 weeks ago
@Djordje555555 read papers from Sorin Paliga from the University of Bucharest about slavic ethnogenesis. The important thing to understand and find the truth is that you didn't name your selves as slavs. the rest of the world did for a reason at that time. and it was to denote only the south slavs. look also at the etymology of the word sclavus. everything is on the internet. there is still research going on but nobody wants to remember how the words slav and slaves appeared.
lokapos 2 weeks ago
slavomacedonians were only slavs = slaves, from Greek Sklabos, later latin Sclavus, later slave. Hence slavomacedonians = slave macedonians. they had nothing to do with Greek people. they just moved to a territory from the north. enjoy your stupid history stupid slaves.
lokapos 2 weeks ago
YOU TALK ABOUT PROPAGANDA WHEN YOU DO SAME THING FOR DECADES. STOP LAYING TO YOUR OWN PEOPLE. ITS NOT ONLY IN THE SCHOOLS OF THAT COUNTRY I CAN SAY IT IS EVEN IN THE GREEK MEDIA. THIS IS WHY HELLAS WENT BANKRUPT.
thenin4e 2 weeks ago
as force us to invent a story we invent one!!!
The words of former Foreign Minister!!!
6987061 2 weeks ago 19
αφού μας υποχρεώσατε να εφεύρουμε μια ιστορία την εφύβραμε!!!
Τα λόγια του πρώην υπ. εξωτερικών !!!
6987061 2 weeks ago 19
Fyrombulgarians are descendants of VUKEFALAS , the horse of the GREEK MACEDONIAN KING Alexander the Great.
gampcptn 3 weeks ago
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Greek Pope PROPAGANDA
# GREEK POPE racist LOGIK #
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/watch?v=JaTIIna0LIU
aytos papas einai i deksi heri tou Papademos i tou diavolou stin ekslisia den milame gia politiki milame mono gia ton teo agapi kai ola ta orea enas papas prepi na to lei ayto pou mas to elege o teos o teos ta vlepi ola kai oli pou kanoun kako tha pane sti kolasi
Greeks can never be Makedonians
Viva la MAKEDONIA 4 all Makedonians but never 4 facist greeks
Devoj4E 3 weeks ago
slavs = slaves. slavo macedonians = slave macedonians
lokapos 3 weeks ago
slavo-macedonians go find a life and a future. stupid bastards. you are slavs. living in the northern territory of Macedonia. and slavs=slaves. You are still the slaves of turks and albanians.
lokapos 3 weeks ago
αυτος ο μαλάκας ο hatloverxxx ήταν και σε ένα άλλο βίντεο στο οποίο πάλι έλεγε τις ίδιες μαλακίες για reasoning και παπαριές. Μην του μιλάτε απαξιώστε τον. Του έλεγα ότι είμαι μακεδόνας και έλληνας κι αυτός μου έλεγε ότι δεν έχω reasoning. Hatloverxxx άη γαμήσου μαλάκα γαμώ το μουνί της μάνας σου μέσα γαμώ!
Chris22697 3 weeks ago
fyromanians dindnt exist before communists came to Serbia! In 1st and 2nd Balkan war Serbia liberated fyrom(in that period fyrom was South Serbia)from the turks.Serbia liberated it because Serbians lived in that region.Then when Yugoslavia was made, communist wanted Serbia to be weak so they made countries like bosnia,Fyrom.The truth is that region of fyrom today was always Serbian because Serbians lived there!Alexander the great was Greek,real name of fyrom is South Serbia!
srbiJagoda 3 weeks ago
MK was a separate ethnicity from Greeks, just as Scots were a separate ethnicity from English.
* Scots & English were originally separate groups of Celts.
* Anglo-Saxons invaded & settled primarily in England, many also settled in Scotland.
* Scandinavians then invaded & were strongest in north England, & Scotland.
* Approx. 400 years later, the Scots put a monarch on the English throne.
* About 300 years later, Scots, English, Welsh & Irish spread ONE British culture through a HUGE empire
hatloverxxx 3 weeks ago
@hatloverxxx all you have said is how the English and Scots are not the same then said how that means the other Greeks and Macedon we both not the same.
Not only is this not really very detailed and not in context its also fallacious reasoning.
And I would know Im British.
thegreathistorian7 3 weeks ago
@thegreathistorian7 The context is that both peoples, Scots & MK want to be independent from their southern neighbours & failing that, at least see themselves as distinct entities.
The similarities are so great that it's almost scary. Now, if you are purblind, that is no skin off my nose.
You can say "Oh MKians spoke Greek, had Greek names, Greek religion!". So what? I never deny that in my reasoning. And at least l give reasoning.
hatloverxxx 3 weeks ago
@hatloverxxx Oh what do you want here? You are sprending fyromian propaganda? Leave from here and go play some gaida, fyromian doll! Leave!!!! You are a lier who wants to make the others feel liers.
Chris22697 3 weeks ago
@hatloverxxx don't lecture me, -a scotsman on our situation and say its paralleled to your horrific fraud against the Hellenic people. You are shameful, Greece is tearing itself apart and you choose to believe a lie and tear from them their identity and pride and call it your own.
I don't have time for people like you. Goodbye.
thegreathistorian7 3 weeks ago
@thegreathistorian7 You've failed to say anything of any substance. You are no academic. And you are blind if you think there are no Scots wanting independence.
I'm not going to get into the why and wherefore of Scottish independence, it just suffices to say that there is some feeling for it in Scotland, and it if it legitimate there, it is legitimate for MK.
Who are you to dispossess a people of their country just because they speak a language that Greece doesn't like???
hatloverxxx 3 weeks ago
@hatloverxxx Scottish political direction has no bearing on the Rom to say otherwise to substantiate a view is fallacy. As the Macedonian language is a codified west Bulgarian dialect I don't think just Greece has the problem with it I presume Bulgarian must also. However I wish to end this discussion now as im fully aware you are taught and alternate history that is only taught in RoM (Macedonians predate homo sapiens, Slavs predate Greeks etc) so to reason with the brainwashed is pointless.
thegreathistorian7 3 weeks ago
@thegreathistorian7 Where did you read this it is quite funny...slavs predate Greeks? Slavs don't go 5000 years back mate...the Greeks do...read before you come here and speak lies....
Vasilios20th 3 weeks ago
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@Vasilios20th are you retarded? Why dont you re-read my post, slowly this time, it clearly states those examples as part of RoM's propaganda and not actual history.
"end this discussion now as im fully aware you are taught and alternate history that is only taught in RoM (Macedonians predate homo sapiens, Slavs predate Greeks etc) so to reason with the brainwashed is pointless. "
Moron.
thegreathistorian7 3 weeks ago
@hatloverxxx Hatlover,please dont talk crap, Macedonia is Greek,I wont say much,FYROM dont got any proof that they are Macedonians,they only speak of it,Greece has all the artifacts,the Macedonian heritage is Greek,Alexanders's fathers's grave,Philips's is IN GREECE...dont mistake the lies FYROM so wish to say and self proclaim themselves as Macedons,they arent...The person who named them that,Communist Leader Tito said they got nothing to do with Alexander or Greece's real Macedonian heritage!
Vasilios20th 3 weeks ago
# Note how MK developed as a separate ethnicity, mixing with lighter skinned people / passing on Greek culture to them (not as their masters, but as brothers).
# Like the Scots, the Macedonians mixed with more northern people & gradually developed a separate ethnicity. The Slavic identity is a LATE contribution to the Macedonian ethnogenesis. The Macedonians were already developing separately to the Greeks, but the Slavs put finishing touches to it.
hatloverxxx 3 weeks ago
# Like Scots conquering England, the Macedonians eventually ruled over their "superior" southern neighbours, the Greeks.
# Like Scots with the British Empire, the Macedonians then spread the united culture of the entire area - Hellenism - across the WORLD.
# Like Scots, Macedonians maintained individuality & want independence.
# Like Scots, Macedonians are both HIGHLANDERS, both wear the TARTAN & play GAIDA.
NO WAY are Scots & English the same. NO WAY are Macedonians & Greeks the same! THE END!
hatloverxxx 3 weeks ago
Calm down, dear Greeks. Contemporary Czechs are referred to as Czechs, although it is genetically proven that only 10 % of them can claim that their ancestors were living in Bohemia 1000 years ago (the rest have their roots in Russia, East Germany, the Balkans etc.). Besides, the name Bohemia is of Celtic origin and nevertheless we as well as our neighbours use this designation when refering to this country.
BaumerPaulGefreiter 3 weeks ago
*If
FYROMalwaysBULGARIA 3 weeks ago
The fact that the location of your nowadays formed nation is in the ancient macedonia cannot be confused with the history, cause if so, then Turkey, Egypt, Southern Arabia (Persians) and so on would have claimed that they are Macedonians, but they are proud of their own history. There is no city that Alexander conquered and has not his name in it. But that doesnt mean that he is their ancenstor. The location and nothing more is giving you the trigger for that claim but it is totally wrong.
zodijackyL88 4 weeks ago
Isnt it strange everyone in FYROM speaks Bulgarian langueage, have Bulgarian name, look like Bulgarians, but they claim to be "Makedonians". In the Middle Ages Makedonia was Greek and Bulgarian land. In different century it was ruled by different country, but it was never a 3rd country. always part of Bulgaria or Greece. How come at 1991 it become a different country? Do you seriosly believe to the comunists, after what they did here in the Balkans? Thats suicidal.
Jigov 4 weeks ago
I doubt that the great philosopher as Aristotel will teach Alexander if he was not greek, but thats just my opinion. He did not teach Tracheans (Bulgarians), but he teached Alexander? If Alexander was not greek, Aristotel would never even meet him.
Jigov 4 weeks ago
so lame....
FOTARAStheGREEK 4 weeks ago
what the hell is fyrom?????
ITS MAKEDONIJA
zagor1974 4 weeks ago
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PravoZborisMudraSovo 4 weeks ago 14
@PravoZborisMudraSovo i like friends like you men........ greetings from greece bro......... you make me cry
nikosgalina 2 weeks ago
@PravoZborisMudraSovo tako je!
Stefan Dusan kralj Srba i Grka
abcdefg5290 2 weeks ago
@PravoZborisMudraSovo really? and which part of bulgarian history is exactly made up????
ta6yLMAO 2 weeks ago
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PravoZborisMudraSovo 2 weeks ago
@PravoZborisMudraSovo thnx for the positive comment I thought that your point was to insult Bulgaria, I was clearly mistaken sry bro :] peace
ta6yLMAO 2 weeks ago
Спартак ми е първи братовчед по македонска логика
stanail1 1 month ago
THERE IS NOTHING IN COMMON BETWEEN ANCIENT MACEDONIA,AND MACEDONIA IN OUR DAYS !
Sim4oo 1 month ago 4
Няма по-големи"Андрешковци"от"македонците"...
stanail1 1 month ago
@RundownCK183 You have seriouse identity probelms. You have no clue who you are or where you came from.
But it is not right to try to steal others identity and history
jk34695 1 month ago
VARDASKA BANOVINA Λάβε τους όρχεις ημών
apolskis1 1 month ago 2
@BebisKariktopoulos they were from greece but were slavic ... think about it idiot why would a greek write down the slavic alphabet !
RundownCK183 1 month ago
@BebisKariktopoulos
YOU ARE MY BEBİŞİM..
BEBİŞİM GREKOS... MUHHAHA...
00thelastottoman00 1 month ago
@BebisKariktopoulos
SAGAPO TÜRKİYE & MACEDONIA....
RUSSIANS LOST 100.000 SOLDIERS IN BALKANS AGAINST GREAT OTTOMAN ARMY!!!
OTTOMAN EMPIRE SEPERATED BUT WE STOPPED LOTS OF ENEMY...
WE ARE PROUD TO BE TURKISH OTTOMAN HERO...
00thelastottoman00 1 month ago
@BebisKariktopoulos
OXI GREEK OXI!
TURKISH YOGHURT, TZASIKI, RAKI, KEBAB, OHHH AMAN AMAN...
MY TURKISH YOUGHURT AND WHITE RAKI ARE IN YOURS...
SIRTAKI ON GRAVES OF FASCIST...
TIME TO BELLY DANCE FOR ME!!!
GREECE HAS 24 HOURS TO ACCEPT RESCUE PACK, OTHERWISE DANGEROUSLY CLOSE TO BANKRUPTCY...
FOREVER TÜRKİYE AND NORTH TURKISH CYPRIOT!!!
00thelastottoman00 1 month ago
Vardarska Banovina
FreeRoosterGR 1 month ago
Fyroms famouse poets. Everything in Fyrom has been falsified to fit their new idenity
"The Miladinov Brothers (Bulgarian: Братя Миладинови, Bratya Miladinovi, Macedonian: Браќа Миладиновци, Brakja Miladinovci), Dimitar Miladinov (1810–1862) and Konstantin Miladinov (1830–1862), were Bulgarian poets and folklorists from Macedonia,"
jk34695 1 month ago
GREEKS WANT ALL WORLD??
Macedonia is Macedonia
Turkey is Turkey
Turkish North Cyprus is Turkish...
OXI GREKOS OXI!
ALLAH-U EKBER...
00thelastottoman00 1 month ago
ΕΣΕΙΣ ΕΙΣΤΕ ΣΛΑΒΟΙ ΕΜΕΙΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ ΑΥΤΟ ΔΕΝ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΚΑΚΟ.. ΚΑΚΟ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΝΑ ΠΡΟΣΠΑΘΕΙΤΕ ΝΑ ΓΙΝΕΤΑΙ ΚΑΤΙ ΣΑΝ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΠΟΛΥ ΔΥΣΚΟΛΟ ΓΙΑ ΣΑΣ ΝΑ ΑΝΤΙΛΗΦΘΕΙΤΕ ΟΤΙ ΟΛΑ ΑΠΟ ΤΗΝ ΕΛΛΑΔΑ ΑΡΧΙΣΑΝ ΚΑΙ ΟΤΙ ΣΤΗΝ ΕΛΛΑΔΑ ΘΑ ΤΕΛΕΙΩΣΟΥΝ
k66601 1 month ago
very good video . identity theft is still a crime .
kaffir00 1 month ago
whether the people in this video consider themselves as Macedonians is almost irrelevant. The truth of the matter is whether or not Macedonia and its glorious history has ever been tied to slavics. There is absolutely nothing that ties this region to Bulgarian or slavs until the 1500s. FYROMians could be correlated to the Nazi Regime creating a false history and idealism. It is really pathetic. Ever ask yourselves why their is so many issues with your identity ?
Terpsimos 1 month ago
@Terpsimos we got issues about our identity because the rest of the balkan people screwed us over dispite the fact helping them...macedonia was torn appart by its neibours ... and we never called our selfs bulgarian the people in this part always called them selfs macedonians even after the mix with the slavs atleast Macedonians,Greeks and Albanians are native to the balkan,the bulgarians are justa Mongol tribe that was stupid enought to follow hitler in the 2 world war...
RundownCK183 1 month ago
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@RundownCK183
TILL 1990 AT VARDARSKA BANOVINA LIVED YUGO-SLAVS
FROM 1991 ALL THOSE PEOPLE TRANSFORMED TO 'MACEDONIANS'
FROM THIS DAY ON ALEXANDER THE GREAT IS NOT GREEK BUT 'MACEDONIAN'
FROM THIS DAY ON TSAR SAMUEL IS NOT BULGARIAN BUT 'MACEDONIAN'
FROM THIS DAY ON THE GREEKSERBIAN ORIGIN NATIONAL HERO OF THE ALBANIANS GEORGIOS KASTRIOTIS IS 'MACEDONIAN'
STEALING PIECES OF HISTORY FROM OTHERS TO BUILD A MONKEYDONIAN PUZZLE HISTORY THAT NO ONE CAN SOLVE
NAMELESS FOR EVER IS YOUR PUNISH
POTIS1 1 month ago
@RundownCK183 sure ;-))))
"We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves. "
Krste Misirkov, "On Macedonian Matters", Macedonian Review Editions 1903
You are former Bulgarians living on the terrtiory the used be called Paeonia during antiquity. There is nothing "Macedonian" about you
jk34695 1 month ago
@RundownCK183 ha ha ha mix with slavs - loooolski
Slavs and ancient Macedonians have never lived side by side. When the slavs arrived in the area the population was ortodox Christian Greeks from the Byzantinne empire. Those Greeks kicked out your Bulgarian ancestor - Tsar Samuil and they got the nickname Bulgarslayers.
You are totally missinformed by your state propaganda.
Stop harressing the real native Macedonians they dont want to have anything to do with you former Bulgarians.
jk34695 1 month ago 2
@jk34695 i've read the book dums ass "Za Makedonckite Raboti" there's no fucking line sayin "We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves" the only thing in that context that was said was from Kiro Gligorov "We are still Macedonians despite our blood being now slavic"
RundownCK183 1 month ago
@RundownCK183 sure ;-)))) You new identity was engineered in communist Yugoslavia. But why dont you open a history book and read about all your Bulgarian ancestors like Tsar Samuil (renamed to "Macedonian" just in Fyrom)
Wiki
Samuel[1] (also Samuil, representing Bulgarian: Самуил, pronounced [samuˈil]) was the Emperor (Tsar) of the First Bulgarian Empire from 997 to 6 October 1014.
Be proud of your Bulgarian empire
omg what have your government done to you poor people
jk34695 1 month ago
@jk34695 the goverment did nothing to me i've seen the writing that was left on the walls and it could been read clearly МАКЕДОНИЈА writen in Кирилица you can't fake a stone old 1000 years dumb ass !
RundownCK183 1 month ago
@RundownCK183 ha ha thousand years ago the area was not called 'Macedonia"
Around 1000 ad it was called Bulgarian empire
Around 1480 it became part of Ottoman empire and it was called Kosovo Vilayett
Never ever was Fyrom called "Macedonia: before 1944.
Your real roots have been wiped away replaced by a disney version you have no proofs for. I feel sorry for you
jk34695 1 month ago
@jk34695 first of it was never a bulgarian empire,second it was never called kosovo vilayett fyrom was called macedonia before 1944 ... there were lots of rebelations the macedonians did back there and you know what ... the rebels had flags "За една слободна Македонија" so suck it bitch ! i know my history... and check the vatican's files for Кирил and Методи who claimed they were macedonians we have true facts but ignorant bastards like you never accept it sry you were born in incest
RundownCK183 1 month ago
@RundownCK183 Lets move out from the propaganda bubble and get back to the real world, shall we? Here is your proud ancestors Tsar Samuil the Bulgarian from the Bulgarian empire
" Samuel[1] (also Samuil, representing Bulgarian: Самуил, pronounced [samuˈil]) was the Emperor (Tsar) of the First Bulgarian Empire from 997 to 6 October 1014. From 980[2] to 997, he was a general under Roman I of Bulgaria, "
Your government have made you hate your own ancestors
jk34695 1 month ago
@Terpsimos when in mein kamf he explained his kill list : jew,gypsies,blacks,slavs ... the bulgarians are idiots who'd want to call him a self a bulgarian
RundownCK183 1 month ago
the time we will fuck ur sluts and kill all of u will come...I WAIT FOR THAT TIME MONKEYS
MAKEDONIA GH ELLHNIKI POUSTIDES
Megaspatriwtis 1 month ago
For those who wonder a lot the nationality, I can recommend some tests.
tutti776 1 month ago
Ο ΜΕΓΑς ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ ΗΤΑΝ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΑς ΓΑΜΩ ΤΑ ΚΕΦΑΛΙΑ ΣΑς ΓΑΜΩ ΚΟΛΟ ΜΟΥΝΙΑ!!!!
XSiolife 1 month ago
fyromians wake up monkeys..Macedonia is Greek
c0mmando96 1 month ago
1 Question ,, ARe we humans ??? there is your answer in the qeustion
QairIsNotMacedonia 1 month ago
BIGGEST Propoganda in damn GREEK Schools, fill the students' minds with Greek Nationalism and hatred of Turks, Albanians,Macedonians Bulgarians and so on..Teachers and Education System just pumps "Greeks invented everything" They are superior race in the world and so many silly things, brainwashing only
Gaylipooo 1 month ago
@Gaylipooo This is true my friend ancient Greeks invent everything do you disagree??..when you say the truth is not propaganda,i disagree with the nationalism...Propaganda is your country Fyrom giving money(in time of big crisis) to build statues in the center of your capital and making films against Bulgarians..ok keep looking the statues and repeat it and you will became real Macedonian..please let the Great Alexander rest in peace..Friendly greetings
evangeloscyy 1 month ago
@Gaylipooo the same history is taught and can be accessed in every single nation on earth (China, North Korea, And McDonia aside- who have their own versions) :L
thegreathistorian7 1 month ago
@thegreathistorian7 actually china might also agree with the west.
thegreathistorian7 1 month ago
well did someone came to as and tell as from today you will be Macedonians ???
I may say that the Greeks stoling our Macedonian history only because they are maybe fear from Bucharest agreement. Or maybe we the Macedonians sprung up from the ground HAHAHAHAHA
Солун е наш јебига :D
jordano802 1 month ago
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Kiro Gligorov:'We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century (AD) we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians.We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia.A man who had several assassination attempts made against him to keep him silent by Skopian extremists, died at age 94,a sad day for a man that knew the truth, sadly the Fyromians keep getting fed propoganda by Gruevski..from scandinavia!
europetravel22 1 month ago
@europetravel22 i agree about that,but alot of people are just blindly talking shit calling us bulgarians i know im slavic im not some ignorant dumb ass but a slav mixed from what ever part of hellenic blood that was left here in this region on the balkan, and no i don't have hellenic culture or language,but i do have a name and history even if its slavic history,im not some bulgarian dog that came from a Mongol tribe here in 1500 slavs where here since 600 when they mixed with the macedonians
RundownCK183 1 month ago
@RundownCK183 Here are your ancestors. Saint Naum renamed to "Macedonian" JUST in Fyrom but Bulgarian in the rest of the wolrd:
"Saint Naum (Bulgarian: Свети Наум, Sveti Naum), also known as Naum of Ohrid or Naum of Preslav (c. 830 – December 23, 910) was a medieval Bulgarian scholar and missionary among the Slavs.["
jk34695 1 month ago
@RundownCK183 my friend what u are saying is acceptable..it is ok at least by me to say that u are from a slavic tribe..there is nothing wrong with that..the problem is with other people in your country who are trying to get something that was never theirs... ! i respect your slavic history as u say..but u mustn't confused it with the ancient greek one!
europetravel22 1 month ago
@cpraib to me there the same :P
SDnik96 1 month ago
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ok!! your name is fyromians or peones.Ancient peones you was when we was as we are now Macedonians,so peones,... in greek "peos" is the Dick.. and i think..that for you state-village the right name is peonia or peograd or peos direkt.!have a nice dreaming Peomians.
greekolosos 1 month ago
fyrom people are slavs. This is a fact. The guy at the end of the video is right. We, greeks, overreacted in 1992, and they became dumb nationalists. Ofcourse macedonian history is greek, but macedonian area has many...residents. So, back in 1992 we should have compromised, let'say they could be named slavomacedonia or sth. They would accept it then. Now, they deny their history, their language, their anchestors, everything. And 'discovered' things that do not exist. But we are all at fault...
panagos381 1 month ago 18
the enemy is the turks not you! other enemys fight against the greece hundrets of jears against us in the secret,and want us to be down like now,the greece to be slaved in europe,the enemy is a lier,they want us to be down for long time, and that the jugos,not be in our side in the past wars and now,we pai a lot of money in the past balkan wars,dont forget that greece is loyal,so the turks dont cant us slaved us for 400 jears when you are loyal to be us.the next war is coming,and be true to us!
SPARTANER777 1 month ago 8
jugoslavian orthodox brothers, you must be akzept that your tribe comes from the north east europe russia to down south europe, your tribe is slavian, an that alexander the great, from the name simpli is greece, from the father name is "philipp" and his mother "olympia" is a greece name, and from his fathers tribe to herakles comes, and that the mazedonian is a greece tribe, like the spartans, minoans, mykäner, trojans is greece to, to our island the sicily, so on, you want to steal our history?
SPARTANER777 1 month ago 18
@SPARTANER777
Their tribe is bulgarian cause they all are bulgarians :)
shynizzl 3 weeks ago
@SPARTANER777 you come from sub-saharian my dear afrikan that you call yourself greek and we always been an will be Macedonians...enjoy your burning Athens ;)
undermyrules 3 weeks ago
@undermyrules I you are Macedonian as you claim, why do you speak a Bulgarian dialect?? And why do you have a slavic name and surname?? Weird. Alexander the Great and Macedonians spoke Greek and they had Greek names
FYROMalwaysBULGARIA 3 weeks ago
Τους γαμήσαν τα μυαλά και τα κάναν ΜΑΛΑΚΙΣΜΕΝΑ όλα,άκου τι λέει το μαλακισμένο,τους έδινε εντολές στα Σκοπιανά "ΝΤΟΜΠΡΟ-ΝΤΟΜΠΡΟ ΒΟΥΚΕΦΑΛΟΦΣΚΙ ?? ",είναι να γελάς και να τους γαμάς.
gampcptn 1 month ago
lafejte makedonski da vi ebum plemto
swindler4e 1 month ago
2:17... MAYBE YOU ARE BULGARIAN????
2:53... NO YOU STUPID SLAV, ITS BECUSE HE WAS GREEK!!!!!
3:21.... THAT'S BECAUSE HE WAS GREEK!!!!!
3:29.... NO, SKOPJIANS ARE BECOMING MORE MORONIC!!!
3:38.... NO, HISTORIANS AND THE EVIDENCE THAT THEY ARE GREEK CONVINCED EVERYONE
5:58... THE FACT YOUR DUMB ASS PEOPLE BELIEVE THEY ARE MACEDONIANS IS NOT POLITICAL BUT BECAUSE YOU ARE NARROW MINDED BULGARIANS SLAVS WITH NO HISTORY!!!
tuff253 1 month ago
1:38 "There might not be written monuments from the ancient Macedonian dialect, but it is greatly known that he used to give his orders using the ancient Macedonian dialect".
With all due respect, how can anyone capable of critical thinking, can accept this as true ? Greatly known from WHO ? There is no historical evidence! It's checkmate, this is auto-canceling. There are no monuments for ancient Macedonian dialect because such a thing doesn't exist. Maybe it's hard to accept, but it's true.
Phant0mDuck 1 month ago
People from FYROM are slavs. Ancient macedonian were greek tribe. Simple...
oxis77gas 1 month ago 3
As always a stupid propaganda
SmilJan5 1 month ago
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PWNAGE, we have the biggest monument of Alexander the Macedonian.
1MAKEDONEC1 1 month ago
@1MAKEDONEC1
LOL Do you have anything from his age?
CHRISTOKONI 1 month ago
@1MAKEDONEC1 thanks for that i like it ..i feel werry proud that i am Greek
R3dro0st3R 1 month ago
@1MAKEDONEC1 This monument is the biggest banana in your ass,that you have fitted it there by yourselves,A SELF-STUCK BANANA FOR THE FUTURE OF YOUR COUNTRY. And how do you called it ? "THE WARRIOR ON THE HORSE",why not Alexander the great ???????
gampcptn 1 month ago
There is no good/bad/ugly, there are just sore losers called the Greeks lol.
Teranex 1 month ago 2
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ancient Macedonians spoke Greek.
modern Greeks speak Greek.
modern slavs from skopia speak Slavic.
and so slavs claim that they were ancient Macedonians.
you managed to change your ethnicity, religion and language. WOW NICE LOGIC!
BigNick157 2 months ago
All my Greek-friend colleages are "Greek-Professors of the Sciences P.H.D.Masters of Science and Bacholer of Sciences Supreme Friendly Teachers and Educators,better than any English Subjects" of FALSE-Fyroms.Fyroms is a False English Agency of The Theft of Elgin Thefts of the GREEK White-Beuatiful Greek Parthenon & Acropolis White Marbled Sculpters which should immeidiately,with Styrofoam and Bubble-Wrapped Soft Packaging, ALL White Marbles Statues"ALL"returned by Ship to Athens,GREECE Museums!!
Jules7892 2 months ago
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Makedonia was never Greek , that is FACT.
Tell me , what is the oldest coin with the inscription : ELLADA,HELLAS or Greek.
Tell me , what is available on all coins of the Macedonians:Ellada, Hellas or Greek?
Tell me , what is in the bible writing: Ellada, Hellas or Greek?
STOP steeling the MAKEDONIAN History.
Viva la Makedonia 4 all MAKEDONIANS
Devoj4E 2 months ago
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Makedonia was never Greek , that is FACT.
Tell me , what is the oldest coin with the inscription : ELLADA,HELLAS or Greek.
Tell me , what is available on all coins of the Macedonians:Ellada, Hellas or Greek?
Tell me , what is in the bible writing: Ellada, Hellas or Greek?
STOP steeling the MAKEDONIAN History.
Viva la Makedonia 4 all MAKEDONIANS
Devoj4E 2 months ago
"hiding the truth about the Bulgarian roots and history of the Macedonian people, it has no future."
jk34695 2 months ago
"only Macedonians who were educated under the old Yugoslav government are anti-Bulgarian oriented. Unexpectedly later in an interview for the Macedonian magazine "Kapital" he sharply criticized the policy of Republic of Macedonia stating, by this way, hiding the truth about the Bulgarian roots and history of the Macedonian people, it has no future."
Central Committee George Lebamoff (Macedonian Patriotic Organization)
jk34695 2 months ago
@jk34695 Lebamoff is a Bulgarian from Macedonia. He is not a Macedonian. And his organization is tearing itself apart. Unlike the pro-Bulgarian organization, the Macedonian ones in the diaspora are flourishing with tens of thousands of members.
macedonian89 2 months ago
During the middle ages Greece was known widely as Kingdom of Rome and/or Imperium Graecorum (by the Roman west that saw eastern Rome as being too Greek to be real Romans)
jk34695 2 months ago
@jk34695 During the Middle Ages, Kingdom of Rome ( Byzantium) was doing everything to prove that it was country that was successor of the Old Roman Empire. Do not forget that.
macedonian89 2 months ago
Are these "Macedonians'? dont think so
Encyclopedia Britannica:" In this period Bulgaria became a cultural centre of eastern Europe, especially famous for its literary schools of Preslav (now Veliki Preslav) and Ohrid. Τhe Bulgars and Slavs had melded into a Slavic-speaking, Christianized people essentially identical to today’s Bulgarians. "
jk34695 2 months ago
@jk34695 Bulgaria was well established at the time when St. Cyril and Methodius were on their missions, and while Bulgaria was building its country, the Slavs in Macedonia remained under Byzantium and were Christianized by Byzantium. Then how can we talk about melding at that time?
macedonian89 2 months ago
Some other interesting points from mr Brown
"From a strictly linguistic point of view Macedonian can be called a Bulgarian dialect, as structurally it is most similar to Bulgarian."
"Encyclopedia of Language and Linguistics", Keith Brown, 1994
jk34695 2 months ago
So lets summerize. Around 1000 AD the people in the Bulgarian(which one part is today called Fyrom) empire with Ohrid as one of the capitals was called by others and called themself Bulgarians ...
Then we fast forward to 1850 ad and the orginators of Fyroms folklore - the Mildinaov brothes which also called themself Bulgarians
Then around 1940 , Fyroms immigrants in USA still called themself Bulgarians but later discoverd it was not about nationality
ha ha ha ha ha :-)))))))
jk34695 2 months ago 42
@jk34695 Around 870 AD we were under Byzantium and were called Romans (citizens of Byzantium). We were part of the Patriarchate of Constantinople, loyal subjects of the Emperor. Does that make ethnic Romans?! At the 14th century we were under Serbian rule. Does that make us also Serbs?! In the same time you were called Romans too, then became Greeks again. Does that make you both?!
macedonian89 2 months ago
@macedonian89 "“There is a message that is historical and still politically has to be said…. Macedonia is a Greek-Speaking kingdom in Northern Greece, populated by people using Greek names, Greek months and worshiping Greek Gods.
Those who live in Skopje, and say that is Macedon and Alexander’s homeland, are as Ignorant and Outrageous as if someone was to say that Oxford University was really in Belarus and Oxford was Minsk.“"
Robin Lane Fox world famoue historian from Oxford university
jk34695 2 months ago
@macedonian89 As an "expert" you are well aware of course that many Byzantine "Romans", not only spoke Greek (the official language of the state), but also studied Greek philosophy and considered ancient Greeks their ancestors right? (as opposed to say Mayan philosophy, language and culture)
Those Byzantinne Greeks also got their nickname Bulgarslayers when they removed your Bulgarian ancestors from the area (modern greek Macedonia).
jk34695 2 months ago
@jk34695 Well, those Byzantine "Romans" studied also Roman law, Roman philosophy and Roman poetry, and considered Roman their ancestors too, right?
macedonian89 2 months ago
@jk34695 Is that what your propaganda teaches ? You must have watched sci fi movies big time. As you can see there's a side effect too. You may want to realize that there's a REALITY that doesn't match your propaganda.
angielicious93 1 month ago
@angielicious93 That empty comment just proves you are former self determined Bulgarians that have no facts what so ever.
Even your city names proves(Solun , Postol) you are just very confused former Bulgarians that got a new "name". Time has past and now you have cornered yourself with all your fabrications.
I really feel sorry for you
jk34695 1 month ago
@jk34695 Oh, so now Im Bulgarian just because you said I am?
Who are you to give me a new name, my ancestor ?
Cos they WERE Macedonians, they called themselves that way many years before your 'Macedonia obsession' started.
I ain't wasting my time to prove you that, my Macedonian PRIDE doesn't allow me to.
angielicious93 1 month ago
@angielicious93 What "Macedonian" pride?
All your ancestors where Bulgarians and you cant prove the opposite.
jk34695 1 month ago
@angielicious93 only since Tito did people where you live call yourself purely "Macedonian" in (the context of Macedon etc) prior to that it was bulgarian, and bulgarian macedonian (in the context of the last REGION to be applicable)
thegreathistorian7 1 month ago
@TrueMakedonian Read Gligorov's last interview for a Greek media. Gligorov never denied he is a Macedonian. NEVER! He says that we are Slavs, but never denied that we are ethnic Macedonians. Nobody here denies that we are predominantly Slavic people. Maleski was not voted, he was out in the Government after the collapse of SFRY. Georgievski won the elections before changing his attitude. Nowadays, because of that, he is deserted. And Gligorov never made doubts about whether he is Macedonian.
macedonian89 2 months ago
@TrueMakedonian Why do not you search for older clips from Ljubcho Georgievski?After the independence he was the one talking to hold the VMRO-DPMNE congress in Solun. He was the one rejecting the decision for a new flag. After 2005, yes, he is a new person. That is why even his party kicked him. And he still today considers himself ethnic Macedonian.
macedonian89 2 months ago