@karadauk - It may only be 2 or 3 strokes for a 5" gauge model, or even for an industrial loco, but a 100tonne pacific needs a lot longer than that to warm the huge lump of cast iron that forms the cylinder block to over 100C.
How long depends on how long she has been sat there. First move in the morning can take half a mile or so.
@andgate2000 Wousy? What is Wousy? Whistles all sound different. Each railway company had a distinctive sound, with variations from size of loco and manufacturer. For instance, GWR whistles tend to be quite high and a bit strained while, say, LNER engines had more 'boomy' tones. You cannot give such a general insult when the variation is so great (I'm guessing that 'wousy' is an insult here, if not then you should not give such a general compliment, some sound god awful)
I think all this venting of steam shows bad practice. The drain cocks are opened to let any steam that was in the cylinders that has condensed to vent out to avoid blowing the cylinder gaskets. When moving off the drain cocks are left open for a couple of strokes to remove remaining water and to warm the cylinders with live steam. It generally needs only 2 or 3 strokes to clear the cylinders so this was just showing off.
@Karadauk yh but was speaking to bill andrews the other day the legend WCR steam driver now retired and what drivers do is because there always is a support crew member on the footplate for the loco the driver asks how long they want to cocks open for could be showing off or just to clear the cylinders until the support crew are happy.
@Karadauk The drain cocks are opened as you say to vent condensed steam, it isn't gaskets that blow, you bend the the rods, which is bloody expensive. If your engine has been standing for a while, it is more than two or three strokes as you put it.
Don't visit the K&ESR, because for long stretches the drain cocks have to be left open due to priming.
@Karadauk Sometimes it can need more than 2-3 strokes and is actually not showing bad practice at all. It depends how long the loco has been sitting around for and how cold the cylinders are. If its not been there long they only need be open for a short blast. In the case of this it could easily have been sitting there for 20-40 mins. Ive been on smaller locos and we've had to have the cylinders open for longer than that.
I love these steam train videos! I was wondering, though, with the high price of diesel fuel lately, is there any movement to bring them back? When will coal & steam be more economical than diesels?
@BulwarkofAzzinoth ... sadly I do not think that will ever happen because they burn fossil fuel .. and that would not make all those little Eco warriors very happy, plus coal is now fairly rare in most parts of the World because it was over-mined during the early 20th Century.
@BulwarkofAzzinoth that's not a bad point actually, steam engines are capable of running of any type of heat source with very little modification, so they could run off wood or some other form of biofuels and dust precipitators and/or clean coal technology could help make them greener, and the fire mean would probably not have to manually shovel in a modern steam locomotive. However a new steam locomotive would not look anything like a classical one and would still be expensive to run
The reason for all the steam is to clear the cylinders of water. While the loco is stationary, the steam in the cylinders is no longer required for moving the train and so has no where to go. This steam then condenses into water inside the cylinder. Now as water can't be compressed, extra steam is forced into the cylinders to turn that water back into steam as the locomotive is about to move. There is the too much steam in the cylinders and to prevent and explosion , the excess steam is forced
@BiddiBiddiBass all that steam is being built up in the boiler tubes inside the boiler. that's from the fire burning the water that is being injected into the locomotive itself. those steam engines have to have a certain amount of steam in order to run. there is a gauge inside the cab that measures the psi of all the steam inside the boiler, and that's why there's so much steam blowing from the cylinders
@BiddiBiddiBass: I presume you mean: "you're" as a contraction of "you and are" as opposed to the possessive "your." The problem, once again, is obviously entirely yours. I will not be responding to your continued tripe. DO have a nice day!
@BiddiBiddiBass actually it's simpler than that - when the trains moving the steam obviously exits via the piston and cylinders - when it's stationary, theres nowhere for the steam to go. If they didn't blow it off, the boiler would explode.
It's not like they can turn it off with a switch afterall...
@BiddiBiddiBass ... I think you have the correct answer in your question .... but I know very little about how the whole thing works .... sometimes they release steam to build up the pressure too ... and the other day Bittern was using the steam to melt the ice off the points on the rails.
@CARLOS62B Yes it was. Back then the A4s worked the Aberdeen-Glasgow 3 hour trains and they stopped at Stonehaven and Forfar, neither of which had permanent inspectors based there so you could often get a footplate ride between the two. The thing that was remarkable was that the whistle sounds very loud and yet you can barely hear it on the footplate at speed. Gives you an idea of how noisy a footplate really is! Our regulars at Ferryhill were Gresley, South Africa, India and Australia.
@Karadauk ... Sadly` I missed out on the steam Era by a couple of years but I still remember the sight and sounds of them .. and that special smell they have too.
The Flying Scotsman was always my favourite locomotive and I am really looking forward to seeing her in steam again.
@CARLOS62B I my self have allways found the the Flying Scotsman a bit rubbish fine you can argue that it achieved 100mph between london and edenborough but the first engine to do this was City Of Truro. The main reasons why it's famous is because the amount of owners it's had and who have then gone bust and had to sell it the other reason being is it's had so many failures. and the decade that the City Of Truro achived 100mph is roughly between 1910-1919 again roughly
@CARLOS62B I will confess I've never seen City Of Truro just know a little bit about her history as to favourites I've got two Mallard being one the other one being a modified hall number 6987 and named Shervington Hall the reaso why Shervington is one of my favourites is because it's kind of related to me. It's related to me in the sense that part of my owned a house called Shervington Hall and there surname was Shervington. and the Loco was named after the house.
That loco was one of the regulars at Ferryhill sheds in Aberdeen. Just imagine what it is like when you are in the sheds alongside it when the driver backs it out, as happened to me with that very locomotive some 46 years ago.
Pacific sauna. Are you on Flickr
clydeferries 1 month ago
I guess that just gives one a real visual representation of the phrase "dissapearing in a puff of smoke"
STbluefox 2 months ago
it also fills your camera with steam and oil residue. happy snapping.
housedadtrains 3 months ago
@karadauk - It may only be 2 or 3 strokes for a 5" gauge model, or even for an industrial loco, but a 100tonne pacific needs a lot longer than that to warm the huge lump of cast iron that forms the cylinder block to over 100C.
How long depends on how long she has been sat there. First move in the morning can take half a mile or so.
ninjabill99 3 months ago
@ninjabill99 .. thanks matey
CARLOS62B 3 months ago
Activate Smokescreen...
TehEpicNumber17 4 months ago
English whistles sound so wousy.
andgate2000 4 months ago
@andgate2000 funny how the whistle on these is american then isnt it... Breast end.
deepskanker 4 months ago
@andgate2000 Wousy? What is Wousy? Whistles all sound different. Each railway company had a distinctive sound, with variations from size of loco and manufacturer. For instance, GWR whistles tend to be quite high and a bit strained while, say, LNER engines had more 'boomy' tones. You cannot give such a general insult when the variation is so great (I'm guessing that 'wousy' is an insult here, if not then you should not give such a general compliment, some sound god awful)
TheWierdFish 2 months ago
Engines in the mist...
daedalus2097 5 months ago
It looks like they were using the drain cocks as thrusters to push her back
DanielW118 5 months ago
A sweet warming feeling. Nice on a cold day!
hoggerdave 7 months ago
best sound in the world and best smell in the world... someone needs to make this into a air freshner or deodreant :D haha
BristolSpotterHD 7 months ago 22
@BristolSpotterHD ... very true ... ha ha
CARLOS62B 7 months ago
I think all this venting of steam shows bad practice. The drain cocks are opened to let any steam that was in the cylinders that has condensed to vent out to avoid blowing the cylinder gaskets. When moving off the drain cocks are left open for a couple of strokes to remove remaining water and to warm the cylinders with live steam. It generally needs only 2 or 3 strokes to clear the cylinders so this was just showing off.
Karadauk 8 months ago 8
@Karadauk ... thank you for your comments. it all adds to the fun of seeing a live steam locomotive.
CARLOS62B 8 months ago
@Karadauk tell someone who cares.
molar1979 6 months ago
@Karadauk WOW,so I guess the A4 pacifics think they are the best locomotives in the world.BIG show-off
locomotive -_-
PalomboDylan 6 months ago
@Karadauk So?
fouloleron2002 5 months ago
@Karadauk yh but was speaking to bill andrews the other day the legend WCR steam driver now retired and what drivers do is because there always is a support crew member on the footplate for the loco the driver asks how long they want to cocks open for could be showing off or just to clear the cylinders until the support crew are happy.
tich4472 5 months ago
@Karadauk Yup! Like making lots of black smoke—makes for fun photographs but isn't good operating practice.
Organgrinder1010 5 months ago
@Organgrinder1010 Relatively unavoidable at times.
TheWierdFish 2 months ago
@Karadauk were you the driver? I am sure they only do what is nessercery
Lancaster630 3 months ago
@Karadauk The drain cocks are opened as you say to vent condensed steam, it isn't gaskets that blow, you bend the the rods, which is bloody expensive. If your engine has been standing for a while, it is more than two or three strokes as you put it.
Don't visit the K&ESR, because for long stretches the drain cocks have to be left open due to priming.
skeleion 3 months ago
@Karadauk Sometimes it can need more than 2-3 strokes and is actually not showing bad practice at all. It depends how long the loco has been sitting around for and how cold the cylinders are. If its not been there long they only need be open for a short blast. In the case of this it could easily have been sitting there for 20-40 mins. Ive been on smaller locos and we've had to have the cylinders open for longer than that.
7P46115 2 months ago
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Another machine of pig iron which should have been cut apart & melted 65 years ago.
Junk all the remaining steam locomotives!
Cockroach2008 8 months ago
Best. Cloaking Device. Ever.
donaldengine9 9 months ago
In motion or static, fantastic! loved it, and change the title ;) you can never be to close to an A4 Pacific, or atleast any form of steam train!
TheBlackOctane 9 months ago
@TheBlackOctane .. very true
CARLOS62B 9 months ago
@TheBlackOctane I think in the four foot as it approaches would be too close!
zozzie 7 months ago
Sorry, I prefer to see a steam locomotive in motion, not venting steam for most of the video.
ricksclick 9 months ago
@ricksclick .. Thank you for commenting anyway.
CARLOS62B 9 months ago
I love these steam train videos! I was wondering, though, with the high price of diesel fuel lately, is there any movement to bring them back? When will coal & steam be more economical than diesels?
BulwarkofAzzinoth 9 months ago
@BulwarkofAzzinoth ... sadly I do not think that will ever happen because they burn fossil fuel .. and that would not make all those little Eco warriors very happy, plus coal is now fairly rare in most parts of the World because it was over-mined during the early 20th Century.
CARLOS62B 9 months ago
@BulwarkofAzzinoth that's not a bad point actually, steam engines are capable of running of any type of heat source with very little modification, so they could run off wood or some other form of biofuels and dust precipitators and/or clean coal technology could help make them greener, and the fire mean would probably not have to manually shovel in a modern steam locomotive. However a new steam locomotive would not look anything like a classical one and would still be expensive to run
hisroyalstigness 8 months ago
@hisroyalstigness ... good point my friend.
CARLOS62B 8 months ago
The safety valve located at the top of the boiler is to let any excess steam out if the pressure is too high.
xAnToZx 10 months ago
@xAnToZx ... Thank you for all your great comments
CARLOS62B 10 months ago
out by using the cylinder drain(cox). Hope this answers any questions and please correct me if I am wrong.
xAnToZx 10 months ago
The reason for all the steam is to clear the cylinders of water. While the loco is stationary, the steam in the cylinders is no longer required for moving the train and so has no where to go. This steam then condenses into water inside the cylinder. Now as water can't be compressed, extra steam is forced into the cylinders to turn that water back into steam as the locomotive is about to move. There is the too much steam in the cylinders and to prevent and explosion , the excess steam is forced
xAnToZx 10 months ago
What A4 pacific? I cant see it! Lol
WhistlingTractor 11 months ago
@BiddiBiddiBass all that steam is being built up in the boiler tubes inside the boiler. that's from the fire burning the water that is being injected into the locomotive itself. those steam engines have to have a certain amount of steam in order to run. there is a gauge inside the cab that measures the psi of all the steam inside the boiler, and that's why there's so much steam blowing from the cylinders
123legodude 11 months ago
@BiddiBiddiBass: I presume you mean: "you're" as a contraction of "you and are" as opposed to the possessive "your." The problem, once again, is obviously entirely yours. I will not be responding to your continued tripe. DO have a nice day!
paullubliner 11 months ago
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paullubliner 11 months ago
When the smoke clears up, you expect the loco to be gone.
Femmenition 11 months ago
ha ha ha you shouuld watch mine on my profile 'michaelsutton1u' is called 60163 master hisssss!
michaelsutton1u 1 year ago
@michaelsutton1u ... I must admit that your capture made me feel much better .. ha ha
I subscribed to your channel too.
CARLOS62B 1 year ago
Where is it hahaha
KinletHallsthebest 1 year ago
@BiddiBiddiBass actually it's simpler than that - when the trains moving the steam obviously exits via the piston and cylinders - when it's stationary, theres nowhere for the steam to go. If they didn't blow it off, the boiler would explode.
It's not like they can turn it off with a switch afterall...
KateFan 1 year ago
"You didn't see anything...."
crazyracer12 1 year ago 2
Activating cloaking device
tynerider 1 year ago
@peterwilson21 .. Thank you for that matey ... I never knew that.
CARLOS62B 1 year ago
@BiddiBiddiBass ... I think you have the correct answer in your question .... but I know very little about how the whole thing works .... sometimes they release steam to build up the pressure too ... and the other day Bittern was using the steam to melt the ice off the points on the rails.
CARLOS62B 1 year ago
It's amazing how much steam is let out when the valves open. Nice of you to capture that :)
AtomicFFProductions 1 year ago
@AtomicFFProductions .. Got smoked again Yesterday .. ha ha
CARLOS62B 1 year ago
The same thing happened to me watching Tangmere at Shenfield Statiobn
tom201090 1 year ago
@tom201090 .. Tangmere is a Wonderful locomotive.
CARLOS62B 1 year ago
you think those drain cocks are loud you should try standing next to Tornado when it moves off shed.
tom14001 1 year ago
@tom14001 ... I know` it get`s very loud
CARLOS62B 1 year ago
Imagine the 1930s...
Yownanymous 1 year ago
@Yownanymous .. must have been wonderful
CARLOS62B 1 year ago
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Come Back Here!!!!!!
woofa97 1 year ago
TRAINSPOTTING FAIL
strongbowblade 1 year ago 2
@strongbowblade ... Very true .. ha ha
CARLOS62B 1 year ago
I have had this happen to me on a number of occasions, all of which were on 15 inch gauge. Its a pain whatever the gauge.
Daniel5343 1 year ago
@Daniel5343 .. that is very true mate
CARLOS62B 1 year ago
still cant understand what the heck those people say over those speakers, Can You ??? !!!. LOL.
thom.
fuelban 1 year ago
@fuelban .... I think they talk with a tin bucket on their head or something !
CARLOS62B 1 year ago
@CARLOS62B LOL, quite possible, LOL sounds like it ....LOL
fuelban 1 year ago
You cant see a thing
penninefilms 1 year ago
@CARLOS62B Yes it was. Back then the A4s worked the Aberdeen-Glasgow 3 hour trains and they stopped at Stonehaven and Forfar, neither of which had permanent inspectors based there so you could often get a footplate ride between the two. The thing that was remarkable was that the whistle sounds very loud and yet you can barely hear it on the footplate at speed. Gives you an idea of how noisy a footplate really is! Our regulars at Ferryhill were Gresley, South Africa, India and Australia.
Karadauk 1 year ago
@Karadauk ... Sadly` I missed out on the steam Era by a couple of years but I still remember the sight and sounds of them .. and that special smell they have too.
The Flying Scotsman was always my favourite locomotive and I am really looking forward to seeing her in steam again.
CARLOS62B 1 year ago
@CARLOS62B I my self have allways found the the Flying Scotsman a bit rubbish fine you can argue that it achieved 100mph between london and edenborough but the first engine to do this was City Of Truro. The main reasons why it's famous is because the amount of owners it's had and who have then gone bust and had to sell it the other reason being is it's had so many failures. and the decade that the City Of Truro achived 100mph is roughly between 1910-1919 again roughly
TheSteamdriver 1 year ago
@TheSteamdriver .... Every Steam Buff has their own Favourite.
City of Truro is a fine looking locomotive but I have never seen it in action.
CARLOS62B 1 year ago
@CARLOS62B I will confess I've never seen City Of Truro just know a little bit about her history as to favourites I've got two Mallard being one the other one being a modified hall number 6987 and named Shervington Hall the reaso why Shervington is one of my favourites is because it's kind of related to me. It's related to me in the sense that part of my owned a house called Shervington Hall and there surname was Shervington. and the Loco was named after the house.
TheSteamdriver 1 year ago
@CARLOS62B and the people who owned the house are the rich side of the family and both sides share the same surname
TheSteamdriver 1 year ago
@TheSteamdriver .. that is a Wonderful connection to have with any locomotive.
Flying Scotsman was the first steam locomotive I can remember seeing as a Child
and we lived just twenty minutes away from the railway.
CARLOS62B 1 year ago
That loco was one of the regulars at Ferryhill sheds in Aberdeen. Just imagine what it is like when you are in the sheds alongside it when the driver backs it out, as happened to me with that very locomotive some 46 years ago.
Karadauk 1 year ago
@Karadauk ... it would be worth getting dirty ... just to be there.
they make so much noise and they always look great .. even on a rainy day.
CARLOS62B 1 year ago
It's a ghost train.
keykeykay 1 year ago
i guess the a4 did not want pictures of it
kirbyfan600 1 year ago
ha ha can i take a picT-- "WHISTLE"---thats a no then??
sandynathan 1 year ago
haha, those people on the platform jumped a mile when the whistle blew.
mattlay 1 year ago
they always make me jump too .. ha ha
CARLOS62B 1 year ago
Permission to film -- DENIED!
beeble2003 2 years ago 14
ha ha
you got that right
CARLOS62B 2 years ago
@beeble2003 HA HA LOL
matanuialive2010 1 year ago
hahaha, Houdini impersonation!
justandy333 2 years ago 3
ha ha
very true matey.
CARLOS62B 2 years ago
technically those are the cylinder drain cocks
thegreatestdoctor 2 years ago 3
No technically about it...they are the cylinder drain cocks
brackers5 2 years ago 3
Thanks for letting me know.
CARLOS62B 2 years ago
No problem :)
brackers5 2 years ago
ha ha
very true
CARLOS62B 2 years ago
Pah - I could get closer than this on the ELR
D335Media 2 years ago 3
0:18 - saw a bit of wheelslip. Watch the smokestack ;)
freat video
ronthecyborg 3 years ago 2
ha ha
thanks
CARLOS62B 3 years ago
Union of South Africa 60009
CARLOS62B 3 years ago
Which A4 Pacific is this one?
trainswrecker 3 years ago 2
ha ha
very true
CARLOS62B 3 years ago
And this is why steam powered tanks WOULD be a good idea...instant camouflage!
edwardianeccentric 3 years ago 2