Sorry, you can make all the B.S. excuses you want, I've read the Bible, overall it paints a picture of women being the property of first their fathers then their husbands. It regards women as second class citizens and not inteligent enough to make their own decisions. No "All loving God" would have dictated such a book. If this universe has a creator, and that creator is "all loving" he did not create the Bible.
Sounds like junk eisegesis to me. Is there any reason to think Paul is talking about women not being identified with husbands from context? Doesn't make sense. And in what contexts can this word be translated 'be attached to' or 'become one with'? evidence? Peter tells readers to submit to government, slaves to submit to their masters, then says 'in the same way' for wives to submit to their husbands. Peter clearly connects submission with obedience in the reference to Sarah.
You argued why did Paul use submit instead of the word he uses for 'obey' in regard to children in Colossians 3. But Peter DOES use the same word in references to wives. He tells wives to submit to their husbands. In I Peter 3:5-6, he tells wives to submit to their own husbands "Even as Sara OBEYED
Abraham, calling him lord".
None of this tells men to smack their wives around, and I find your associating believing in submission with wife beating to be offensive.
@SaudaraLink I agree with you, this video and the politically correct junk eisegesis that goes with it is absolute rubbish, and it is nothing miore than a clever attempt to get out from the clear meaning of the Word of God in relation to headship so that wives are not commanded to obey their husbands when the scripture clearly teaches that they are!
I will not be subscribing to this video channel, nor will i listen to it any furthur
@SaudaraLink Why did you only write about half of that verse and not the whole verse. Do not add to nor take away from his word. Speak the whole truth.
@Gdrapes Not sure exactly what you are talking about. Do you quote the whole Bible whenever you quote a verse? These boxes allow for a limited number of characters. What is your beef exactly?
@SaudaraLink Limited space is no excuse. Did you notice that your talking to woman but yet your attitude is to talk to me as if I was a man "What is your beef" I wounder why this man of God had to post this video. There is nothing gentle about your spirit even in writing.
@Gdrapes Your handle is gender neutral. I didn't know if you are male or female. Where one verse ends and another begins is based on some monk's decision from the 300's. I'm not obligated to quote the whole Bible whenever I quote a verse. Btw, I am not sure what your objection is. Btw, as a woman, why would you find references to beef offensive?
@Gdrapes It would be nice if you would let me know what verse and what comment--from three months ago-- you are talking about-- and why the portion of the verse I quoted left something important out in your opinion. All I know is you object to something, but it isn't clear what.
@SaudaraLink In I Peter 3:5-6, he tells wives to submit to their own husbands "Even as Sara OBEYED
Abraham, calling him lord".
Whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement (terror).
Some of us just want to know the truth a lot of men want submission but don't make Christ their Head. Put yourself in that womans place for a change can she really trust that you have the Best intensions for her life and her walk with Christ?
@SaudaraLink In I Peter 3:5-6, he tells wives to submit to their own husbands "Even as Sara OBEYED
Abraham, calling him lord".
Whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement (terror).
Some of us just want to know the truth a lot of men want submission but don't make Christ their Head. Put yourself in that womans place for a change can she really trust that you have the Best intensions for her life and her walk with Christ?
@SaudaraLink In I Peter 3:5-6, he tells wives to submit to their own husbands "Even as Sara OBEYED
Abraham, calling him lord".
Whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement (terror).
Some of us just want to know the truth a lot of men want submission but don't make Christ their Head. Put yourself in that womans place for a change can she really trust that you have the Best intensions for her life and her walk with Christ?
@SaudaraLink In I Peter 3:5-6, he tells wives to submit to their own husbands "Even as Sara OBEYED
Abraham, calling him lord".
Whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement (terror).
Some of us just want to know the truth a lot of men want submission but don't make Christ their Head. Put yourself in that womans place for a change can she really trust that you have the Best intensions for her life and her walk with Christ?
@SaudaraLink In I Peter 3:5-6, he tells wives to submit to their own husbands "Even as Sara OBEYED
Abraham, calling him lord".
Whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement (terror).
Some of us just want to know the truth a lot of men want submission but don't make Christ their Head. Put yourself in that womans place for a change can she really trust that you have the Best intensions for her life and her walk with Christ?
If 'submit' means 'identify with'-- can you show me an example from Greek where it means that? Why have all the Greek scholars who worked on translation gone with 'submit.' And why does 'submit' mean 'submit' everywhere else but here. Women back then were expected to submit-- not just identify with--to their fathers, and then to their husbands. The Old Testament required the same thing, with fathers then husbands, having the right to cancel their vows if done so immediately.
What does a wife submitting to her husband have to do with all these photos of abused wives? Wives submitting doesn't mean their husbands are to beat them up. A wife submitting to her husband is something she chooses to do as unto the Lord, not something her husband is to beat out of her. I just find the photos of abused women as an argument against Biblical submission a warped way of looking at it, and it furthers the ungodly worldly prejudice against the husband and wife's roles.
I didn't see it as prejudice against God's marriage. It seems like YOU are more offened and all of your comments Proves it. You don't have to prove the word of God It's the truth. Please don't act like you don't hear out of the mouths of most abusive men towards women say "She will Submit to me or I will beat it out of her!" I wonder why YOUR taking this message so personal from another MAN of GOD. Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of GOD. Eph.5:21 From a believer to another.
@Gdrapes The Bible tells us to submit to one another, and elaborates on who submits to whom wives submit to husbands, children your parents, slaves obey your masters.(See Ephesians 5-6). Wives are to submit to their husbands unto the Lord. Acknowledging this truth does not make one a wife beater as this video so vilely implies.
Such rotten videos are made to make wives or future wives (Christian sadly) REBEL and say "you don't love ME ,you don' t respect ME,you are too this ,you are not enough that" and so on. All about ME ME and ME and an immature behaviour.
Women must submit FIRST , then men will love them.
But now 'Christianity" does the reverse and focus on 'the poor female' (always a victim ) as the modern Western world which puts women on a pedestal and keep on wrongly victimizing them. It's sinful.
@framboise595 Just a quick question...what is your definition of submission...I really want to know because I really think both men and women don't know what that word means....and seriously I don't... Am not putting you in the corner...am a lady and i really want to know how men define submission.
This video is a feminist video ans consequently has NOTHING to do with the Holy Word.
Domestic abuse is a feminist lie to make women rebel against male leadership.
Women today are a curse .They want man's place and role. And if men don't fight back ,if they let them do this ,they SIN .Satan wants men to sin and to get lost.
A prophecy in my former church adressed to a man and said :"you're not the head of your family any more.Your wife and children are lording over you. REPENT."
@framboise595 So once he repented what was he to do next? Better yet what would you have done next. It's easy to point out how some else needs to repent. Please tell the body of Christ what you would have done next?
What Satan loves most is turning Christian men into doormats and have their wives (or their mothers too) lording over him (the reverse of God's order) and it works !
Knowing that women have absolutely NO RESPECT for the man they dominate , the husband will automatically be despised and rejected by his wife.
Men ,lord over your wives ! It is God's command and it's right.
The devil is a wonderful liar and through unsubmissive females he gets want he wants : man's loss. There's not such thing as mysoginy about him. What he hates most on the earth is MAN because man is the image and glory of God. Remember Pharao who commanded to KILL all newborn MALES (Exodus1) .
Unsubmissive women are perfect to destroy men and Satan delights in it.
Woe to modern 'christianity' which follows Jezebel.
Modern Christianity is feminizing and weakening. It is shameful but maybe not new. Think of the late Middle Ages and what women had done with Christianity. Women are great at manipulating men and God knows it. That is why he commands her to submit in EVERYTHING and even if the man DOESN 'T FOLLOW GOD'S PATH.
Through her total submission she may lead him to God (1Peter 3) . This often happened in the past. But modern woman is too SELFISH to want a man's salvation ,isn't she ?
That "egalitarian "view is a LIE OF THE DEVIL. Today the devil is just tricking millions of women as he tricked EVE centuries ago.
This story of husbands abusing their leadership is WRONG ! Adam did not abuse his leadership and yet Eve did not submit to him. She prefered submit to the devil. Yes it is true ! The DEVIL
Anyway wives should submit ONLY if the man is so , or so ,and not if he is not so ...where are we going this way ??? This is not submission any longer.
@LordParsnip exactly, you hit the nail on the head. its so unfortunate that its actually women themselves who are encouraging the subservience of their own kind. i wonder why, it doesn't make sense. its them that ought to shut up and let us move forward. its almost like they revere men or something, which kinda makes me nauseous.
Wow am I ticked. I really really want to listen to this. It is the only religious thing that I have wanted to listen to in a LONG time. And you know what? I CAN NOT HEAR WHAT HE IS SAYING!!!!! Why is the chorus behind him so freeking loud? Why is there a chorus at all? It adds nothing and obscures the words that I really WANTED TO HEAR!!!!!!
"obscures the words that I really WANTED TO HEAR!!!!!!"
Absolutely true. Thank you for giving such credit to God's old prophecy about the end of times. You can hear just want YOU want to hear. And not what the Bible actually says. The truth is not at the center of the church any longer. All this had been predicted centuries ago.
@framboise595 Well you tell me how I can possibly know what it says if I can not fucking hear a word because the music is way too loud.
If Chaos means that women are no longer abused by their husbands in the name of a misquoted scripture, that the husbands finally love their wives as Jesus loves the church, then I am all for it.
@framboise595 I don't get what your saying. A woman is to submit first then her husband will love her. Why would a man of God go out and pick a woman that wouldn't want to be submitsive as his wife and not have love for her until he feels he can brake her down to submission. Did he seek God first or his own Will to control.
@PropheceyChannel Not what I expected.. Much beter then I expected. Scriptual truth is so important so we do not misguide anyone, and I'm so glad to see someone that has dared to touch this topic so 'TRUTHFULLY' and 'HONESTLY'. Not to mention sincerely. I must say that this an awesome, awesome service to both women and men. Bless you brother for being a 'Real Man' and sharing this with us.
A lot of man trying to get there respect(sometimes physicaly) cause you woman dont know how to respect men anymore..You are not our property..But you must understand that our nature is stronger than a woman's..for a reason..we bring food on the table and you should stay home and love and educate our children..So there wont be any teen girls with daddy isuess..and boy's that dont know how to treat girls!..feminism started this mess cause woman want to work there was no love left at home! EMPTY
It's important to check the language the Scripture was written in (which in this case was Greek when it comes to the epistles written by Paul). The gentleman who posted this video went beyond and did something else that is important - he sought the meaning of the translation in the context that it was being used. This comes from above. In other words, he didn't just look for the Greek word, but the correct meaning based on the situation. This is from God. The video's a blessing.
I don't know, but I find this video kinda saddening. A christian woman is meek, humble, QUIET, docile, and submissive to her husband. A wife that overbears or impedes on her husbands authority not only violates natural law, but also violates a divine command all the way back to Genesis 3:16..Its the main reason for the high divorce rate in the US since most western women do not follow the model of the husband as being head..egalitarian view has 50% divorce rate
I love this sermon! I did have one complaint though. Although that was a beautiful song in the background, It was a bit too loud at times drowning out the speaker.
Therefore, your understanding of 'dominance', is not biblically correct. When you use the word dominance, you imply tyranical rule (ie. "Lord it over her"). But biblical leadership should look like Christ, who was a self sacrificing leader.
The woman should also look to Christ as an example, when He said "not my will, but your will be done".
Jesus is for us the perfect model of loving leadership & willful submission. As christians we MUST obey this teaching & not conform to this world.
I disagree with just about everything you said. You go to some length with exegesis, but don't understand the passages context, which is in the light of creation and Jesus' death. These are universal constants, so your understanding that these passages speak from a cultural context is flawed.
Wives are to submit (of their own accord) to their husbands. They are not forced by the man, but they must willingly give. Husbands must love their wives, abuse & tyranical leadership is not allowed.
1TIM 2:11-14 'Let the woman learn in silence WITH ALL SUBJECTION, But I suffer not a woman to teach, NOR TO USURP AUTHORITY OVER A MAN, but to be in silence. For ADAM WAS FIRST FORMED, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the WOMAN BEING DECEIVED WAS IN TRANSGRESSION.'
The marraige is like a body. The husband is the head. What happens to the body if the hand decides it wants to cut off the head? It dies. Likewise if the woman cuts off her husband from being the head, the marraige dies. A contentious woman is one who is contends for the headship. Think of two fighters contending for the title. If a man is not being the head and the woman is the head this can be a curse and will crash to the ground unless Gods grace intervenes in a certain situation.
supress: to put down by authority or force. If a husband tries to control his wife by using scripture this may be suppression. All a husband can do is educate the woman and it is the choice of the woman to make her own decision whether she wants to obey Gods word. Also if the man is not loving his wife as Christ loved the church then he will not be blessed with a woman who submits to him. The bottom line:If you build your house on the word of Christ then your house will stand if you dont CRASH!
@AtlantoLemurian No that does not mean women are inferior that means women are different,nature itself shows you that women are not equal to men,thats why when you watch the NFL on sunday women are not playing.Women are of equal importance but women are not equal to men,thats an obvious fact of life.
@AtlantoLemurian A womn is not supposed to be submissive to an abusive man,nobody ever said that!We are talking about righteous men,and women are to be submissive to their own husbands as the bible says.
Yeah, your girl should never insult you or demean you... i agree. its just you keep mentioning it & ive never made that argument nor disagreed with yours. im just saying whats wrong with equality?
me and my girl compromise. sometimes we do it her way, sometimes we do it mine. theres really no struggle of power between us, yet neither of us are dominant or submissive. i wouldnt want it that way... i had a submissive girl who tried to hard to please me that i wondered if anyone was home.
hi key...its interesting and very relevant that you show that when you had a submissive girl she obviously wasnt respected...and only weak males would twant such
people who dont think like you and I, dont know what values,morals/decencies are wouldnt even be able to comprehend why you would ask whats wrong with equality'
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theyve been brainwashed since birth that women must subjugate to males
Balance order,and when a decision has to made yes you should listen to your wifes opinion on the matter but you as a man need to be a leader and make that final decision weather it is what she suggested or what you suggested.
Well that explains,you dont even believe in the bible.Your to dumb to understand it anyway.And this also shows your just a faggot that lets women control you and rule over you.
Titus 2:5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed......The word obedient is clear in this passage,wives are to be obedient to their husbands,and you can go into the greek or any other language,obedient is obedient period.And the husbands are to love their wives as christ loved the church.
If you don't want to be a WIFE then don't get married. Plain and simple.
This is the EXACT reason men today aren't getting married anymore. Women take them to the cleaners and then make monetary SLAVES out of them in divorce court....and women innitiate OVER 70% of all no fault divorces.
And on top of that most women today don't WANT to be a wife.....they want to be a husband.
Sorry, but men aren't buying anymore. Fuck the future.
People get confused when they take the quote "wives, submit to your husbands"
I surely don't want a SLAVE. But I DO want a woaman that's supportive and constructive instead of confrontatinal and harpy. Especially not undermining me in front of our children.
You CAN'T have everyone at the same position or it won't work. Too much fighting. You need an owner, a manager, and the staff.
And that is USUALLY the Husband/father, Wife, then the staff of children.
that is the most misogynistic thing ive heard since archie bunker LOL... so we must run our families like a corporation where the husband is the boss/president of the company?
It would make me sick to not be in love with an equal.
Equal not meaning the same... equal as in intellectual value, emotional value, as in neither submissive nor dominant of one another, but an equal partnership.
Intellectual value and emotional value or valueing somebody in anyway is not equality.The woman is supposed to be submissive to her man,that clear in the bible.And a man is supposed to be a leader.How are you gonna say a woman is not to be submissive when the bible says she is to be??
I asssume you mean INTELLECTUAL value. And thats almost NEVER equal. NEVER. Some wives are more intelligent than their husbands and vice versa. But don't sit there and say that they should both be intellectually equal....thats retarded.
No, it's not mysogynistic at ALL. Perhaps you are Mysandric?
Anyway thats why I capitalized the word USUALLY. Usually it's the man as the HEAD of the family, his choices should be respected and he should not be insulted nor demeaned ever, ESPECIALLY in front of the children becaus that shows weakness in the family.
The head of the family CAN be a woman and in many cases it IS. There are SOME submissive weak willed men out there that need a dominant woman. It's just not as common.
This blatant propaganda. Women commit MORE domestic violence than men do. And thats just whats reported. Let alone all the times men don't report it out of pride.
Women also innitiate 70% of ALL no fault divorces.
"Emotional abuse" Give me a break. Women CONSTALTLY harp at men and insult them. Yet you don't hear men whining about "emotional abuse"
This video made me cry. I was married to an emotionally abusive man that finally left because he said I wouldn't *submit* to him. Every Christian man needs to watch this.
I am in agreement with you. What he is planting is backwards in the old. The enemy is twisting his understanding of scripture. What is even more disturbing this guy has another video saying its bibical for man to have mutiple wives. Let's stand together in agreement,.
I listened to your message again... I have found women does not have a problem with submission, the problem is the teaching of Paul is taken out of context. There is a huge difference between a man being head of the house and over his wife. I had a conversation with a person who stated a woman shows submission by turning the other cheek to an unloving husband and she is to remain voiceless because a man has authority of her. My heartaches to know this person actually as a ministry.
odd video with the music in the background. kind of creepy set up as well. But if it helps a husband understand he is to love his wife then thats great.
Abuse of ANY kind is NOT justified by the Holy Scripture. Nevertheless, light feminism isn't justifiable either. VERY great points are made but, please note that in these last days abuse is also coming from women (mostly verbal) and the man's response is physical. Why are churches 90% women while mosque and synogouges are just the opposite. De-emphasizing the role of a MAN (non-abusive) is ERROR! I think the statistics are biased and marred. However, GOOD WORK.
Yes, I hope this was not taken to be a "feminist" video. Unfortunately, that term has been very corrupted and changed from its original inception. It began as equality: the right to vote and so on. Men and women are not equal as we are very different. However, that does not mean one is over the other or better than. Right relationship is a mutual sacrifice of self.
I have witnessed physical abuse of many christian female family members. I have been angered at the church's silence on the issue of abuse of women and children. Thank you for this video. I pray your ministry against domestic violence grows exponentially.
Its fine to have a ministry against domestic violence but to say that the man being the head does not mean what it says is wrong,and to basically throw Gods order out of the window is wrong aswell,all through the bible we see Gods order from genesis to revelations the head of the woman is the man period.The woman is supposed to SUBMIT to the man as he submits to christ period,ther is no way around that!
This is a feminist video because you are trying to change the meaning of what a scripture means because of what somebody said to you.You cannot deny Gods order because somebody does not understand it.
As the man obeys and loves christ the woman is to obey and love him.All through the bible this is backed up and it does not mean nothing different in greek.
@ProphecyChannel i feel differently, men and women are equal,in gods eyes, his soul is not more valuable than hers, for a spirit can not be cherished more or less on the grounds of the gender of the body in which it possessed, but rather the beauty of a man and woman shines when they adopt the roles god has set for them to follow. Our differences make us work and fit like pieces of a jigsaw, we compliment one and other
@toolongtoremember Yes. I agree. Both men and women are equal. The Apostle Paul said in Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And believe or not, the Apostle Paul was an advocate for "WOMEN'S LIBERATION." I've done an extensive study on this topic for more years than I can count and the Apostle Paul is one of the most misquoted writers of the scripture. God sees no gender.
@ProphecyChannel ok if this video is true, then what about married couples that enjoy the bdsm world, and going to munches and sessions. tell me somehing is there any good spirituality behind this?
@ProphecyChannel please don't confuse some radical feminist for *all* feminists. the bulk of feminist want what the 1st and 2nd wave feminists wanted - equality of treatment, equality of opportunity, and the disappearance of mysogyny. right now, we're in a backlash with large swaths attempting to "return" women to a 50's-ideal that NEVER actually existed, and this attack leads to some radicalism. even still, most - over 90% of us - just want the SAME rights and responsibilites and respect.
Enless you are the one who have been abused you would never understand how it feels to be connected to a man's fist. I was abused for 10 yrs and stayed because I thought I would be sin if I left. Yes at the end of this relationship I did get verbal but that was due to anger of physical, emmotional, mental and spiritual abuse. God himself pulled me out of this relationship 9 yrs ago. Since that time I have received closer, healing and deliverence and focused on God.
You are very welcome for the video friend. There are two songs on this video and both are from Michael W. Smith. The first is "Agnus Dei" and the second is "Let It Rain".
Christ is the HEAD of the church. HEAD does not mean attached to in this case. It would make no sense. Now lets see what Christ did. Christ loved and respected the church, he Loved God, He protected the church. He put God and the church before himself and he died for the church. The man must love his wife in such. Hence the natural submission of a woman should come out. No suppression.
The producer is wrong. There is no mistaking between the meaning of being the HEAD. Attached to the church or is Christ the LEADER of the Christian church. EVEN SARAH OBEYED Abraham and clled him master. But Abraham LOVED his wife and treated her well. This passage cannot be used to suppress women.
I pray that ALL future husbands hear the loving and kind words of this video. Unfortunately, too many videos are done in the spirit of anger and hatred toward women in general. Certain videos focus, primarily, on the wife's role to submit. They ignore issues of domestic violence. Please continue to do more vids on this subject. You have an eager listener.
Praise the LORD my friend. I will have to check yours out as well. Thank you for the kind comments and thank you for sharing God's purpose in relationship.
Praise God! Thank you for giving this message to ut. I sense it was done in the spirit of love. When I marry, I will keep this sermon in mind. My husband will express his 1.) love for God. 2.) Love for himself. 3.Love for me as he loves Christ and himself.
Praise the Lord!! I am so grateful you put this vid on ut!! I sense this video was done in the spirit of love. When I marry again, I will keep this sermon in mind. My future husband must express
The husband is to love the wife as himself and die for her. The wife is to submit to husbands.
Do not ignore 1 Peter 3:1 (and hupotassō DOES mean in subjection).
And also Ephesians 5:24 - 'As the Church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in EVERYTHING.' This one u can't twist because it is in context of our relationship to Christ!
1wingsolja re hupotasso: This begins to set up interesting circumstances in a person's life. It is a major reason that the word hupotasso is used rather than the Greek word for obedience, hupakoe—"attentive hearkening." God wants us to know that we are to think matters through and not merely to comply. We are to use our minds and decide to go in a chosen direction because we realize, know, understand, and set our will to submit to the right and good and true.
Hi! Great video, but I'm still kinda confused by what that person who wrote you meant when he wrote "wife"? In other words, is he saying that she shouldn't own anything or that she has no right to property? Also, what worship cd is that? Me likee! God bless you!
hm thats strange. did you put the slash mark after the org?
if the address bar didnt work try going to a search engine. ask(dot) com then type it in without any spaces. you should see it at the top of the page with a light colored pic next to it.
by the way, good video. it makes me happy whenever i come across a man who knows about this. its sad when people oppose truth without doing any research of their own. i just thought there was info there that you could add to your knowledge.
I tried both ways and used the search engine as well. I just gave it another shot and its up. Perhaps they were performing some site maintenance earlier.
man is head of the wife as Christ is head of the church. Christ loves the church. Christ treats the church well and died for the church, and he IS the leader of the church. Man must also love his wife and treat her well and must be willing to die for her. With that said, the man is the leader. It should be in the woman's nature to submit to such kindness, but many refuse because of the word SUBMIT.
Clearly, you completely ignored the context of this video. "We have used Paul's liberating words to put women in bondage." Pls.review the video again. Note the domestic violence statistics. HEAR THE WORDS OF THE MINISTER.
OK, so loving your wife places her in bondage. Willing to die for your wife places the wife in bondage. Treating her body better than your own places the woman in bondage. The man must treat the man well. And there is scripture that PAUL DOES say "OBEY". But If treating and loving your wife so much that you are willing to die for her as Christ was willing to die for his church, places the woman in bondage, I see why 60% of black women are single.
Clearly, you completely ignored the context of this video. My heart aches for you. You are so angry at black women, you refuse to hear, in love, A MAN OF GOD, speak to the husband's responsibility. Krazie316 also has an excellent video on the issue of roles in marriage. His video comes from a place of love, not anger. I wish you well. I pray that you are healed from your anger. God bless.
Ndependent, I am sorry to say this, but you are really STUPID. You say that I am angry towards BW, But I say love your wife. I say the man must protect his wife and tret her body Better than your own, you say that I refuse to hear in love. What hateful words Have I said. All that I have stated is love yet you come off with utter nonsense. I pray that you get better reading comprehension skills.
THANK YOU FOR PROVING MY POINT. I came to you clearly in the spirit of love. When all comprehension is missed you resort to name calling. Again, I say, in the spirit of love--God bless.
I apologize, but it became frustrating for me writing about how much love we are to show to our wives SEVERAL TIMES only to see you write that I have anger toward BW women. You understand?
Dantej32-THANK YOU FOR PROVING MY POINT. Name calling is the hallmark of a person who cannot provide intelligent responses to a subject. When all comprehension is missed you resort to name calling. Again, I say, in the spirit of love--God bless.
Dantej32- IN THE SPIRIT OF LOVE-Your anger towards black women deafens your heart from hearing the words from A MAN OF GOD.PLS. REVIEW THE VIDEO. He clearly said," We have used Paul's liberating words..." I pray that you overcome your anger towards black women. Spoken in the spirit of God's love toward you. God bless.
[1] Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
Please research "head" and its meaning outside of just a biblical concordance - look into its meaning in Greek texts. If you watch the video again I show why and how this word is equally translated as "source". Given the context of Paul's reference to Genesis, this lends to that interpretation being correct.
This has nothing to do with "denying" scripture. It has everything to do with correct translation.
And as far as a woman being "subject" to the man, Paul states in verse 21 that we are to be "subject" to one another.
Regardless of your interpretation we are all subject to Christ. Even if you had any authority (which we don't), lay it down. CHOOSE to lay it down in humility.
Who did Christ reveal Himself to first? The apostles denied her testimony. But Paul says, "There is neither... male nor female for we are all ONE in Christ Jesus".
Paul used the word kephale. This word does mean "head," the part of one's body. It was also used to mean "foremost" in terms of position. It was never used to mean "leader" or "boss" or "chief" or "ruler." Kephale is also a military term. It means "one who leads," but not in the sense of "director."
Kephale did not denote "general," or captain," or someone who orders the troops from a safe distance; quite the opposite, a kephale was one who went before the troops, the leader in the sense of being in the lead, the first one into battle.
Now, if the word translated "head" meant "boss," then husbands are to rule their wives; and the word translated "be subject to" would naturally mean "to obey." But since kephale does not mean "ruler" or convey any sense of leadership (aside from meaning "the first into battle"), then perhaps the word Paul used that is translated "be subject to " does not convey a sense of obedience.
In fact, the use of that word in verse 21 ("be subject to one another") clarly demonstrates that it does not mean obedience, for it would be as impossible for a group of people to be obedient to each other as it would be for a group to follow each other.
Please continue your study in this way. Do not just accept what you have been taught or think you read plainly. There are subtle meanings in Greek and due to this there are issues when translating into English.
Kephale means "head" as in body as pointed out above, NOT in authority. As you can see, this meaning is also used as a river head, meaning source.
It is also used as the first one into battle. This does not indicate authority. It indicates sacrifice.
Attention all husbands: Paul said submit yourselves one to another (and that includes your wife). Jesus said if you want to be greatest then become the servant of all (and that includes your wife). And Jesus washed the feet of His apostles to set an example of humility and submissive service to each other (and that includes your wife). Husbands why don't you try following these instructions and I suspect your wife will return the favor?
God bless you brother.... I didnt think there was others that truly understood... thank you so much for your Love for Christ...I will love Christ and I will cry for Christ as I am now..nobody feels in his heart what Christ felt on that cross
Hey I had kind of a hard time understanding everything you said in the video because the background music was too loud. Could you put some of what you said in the description area so we can read it please? Thanks.
I agree, the verse 'submit to each other' seems to get over looked alot. Plus there are other verses saying abusers will not inherit the kingdom of God. Abuse can be emotional too. :(
That is just too funny...thank you for making me laugh : )
What many don't consider is the fact that even God taking on a body was the most humble act of humility. Just think about it - God, the creator and unlimited and holy One, humbled Himself in human body and took all that He endured and never lifted a finger. He could have wiped out the entire world in one word but he loved us so much He gave Himself as a sacrifice.
This passage said we are to love our wives like THAT (5:25). Wow!
Thanks for posting this. I will be looking researching what you have to say. I certainly appreciate it that you are speaking out against abusing wives. We
know that is not what the Father wants for His daughters. :-)
I encourage you to research how 5:21 is believed to have been part of the Husband and Wife section below. As I just expressed to Hybrid above, chapters and verses were not added until the Geneva Bible that preceded the KJV. You may enjoy the rest of the comments as well that were just posted.
Its not just about abuse but about right relationship.
I encourage you to consider verse 21 that says "Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.". This verse has been deemed by most scholars to be part of the husband and wife body of scripture. Remember, verses and chapters were not added until the Geneva Bible. It simply is not in context with the body of scripture above.
Bibles today continue in the tradition because that is the way it has always been done.
Brother, God did submit himself. In Philippians we read:
"But [Christ] made himself of NO REPUTATION, and took upon him the form of a SERVANT, and was made in the likeness of men:"...who was beaten, mocked, crucified and said on the cross, "forgive them Father, for they know not what they do."
The passage in Ephesians is a circle of submission to one another and not a line of hierarchy.
a truehyrid...the man does not have the final say.how it goes is,say for instance that you guys want a new coutch,well if one of you dont agree on a certain coutch then you keep looking till you both agree on one.its a partnership.not a daddy daughter thing.thats a turn off.
The issue is not just to the extreme of abuse or "ownership". It is a problem of family hierarchy whereby the husband ends up having the "final say". This ultimately defeats the purpose of true and right relationship.
In the case of abuse, as you mentioned, this passage can be used as an excuse - from physical confrontation to lesser "headship". Either way, its a load of malarchy.
Genesis 2:18 God made woman to be a help mete the man not to be his equal even nature teaches you that and you missed verse 24 in Eph 5,it says Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing...subject in the greek means to obey,as the church obeys christ wives should obey ther husbands thats clear but its not saying to obey a wicked man,in the same passage it says husbands love your wives as christ loved the church.
and also 1Cor 11:3 states the same and also and you cant say it was bondage to women because in 1Peter 3:6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement...women are to be daughters of sarah obeying ther husband as sarah did and we know abraham was a righteous man of God so dont say it was an opressive situation it was the way God made it from the begining and God aint wrong.
Please research the Greek word "hupotasso" outside of Strong's Concordance. As useful of a tool as it is, it does not give a clear understanding of this word. You must also deeply contrast it with the Greek word "hupakoe".
Unless you research it outside of skewed interpretation and its use in general context and literature, you have not seen the point clearly.
Sorry, you can make all the B.S. excuses you want, I've read the Bible, overall it paints a picture of women being the property of first their fathers then their husbands. It regards women as second class citizens and not inteligent enough to make their own decisions. No "All loving God" would have dictated such a book. If this universe has a creator, and that creator is "all loving" he did not create the Bible.
jmdnarri 3 months ago
Sounds like junk eisegesis to me. Is there any reason to think Paul is talking about women not being identified with husbands from context? Doesn't make sense. And in what contexts can this word be translated 'be attached to' or 'become one with'? evidence? Peter tells readers to submit to government, slaves to submit to their masters, then says 'in the same way' for wives to submit to their husbands. Peter clearly connects submission with obedience in the reference to Sarah.
SaudaraLink 4 months ago
You argued why did Paul use submit instead of the word he uses for 'obey' in regard to children in Colossians 3. But Peter DOES use the same word in references to wives. He tells wives to submit to their husbands. In I Peter 3:5-6, he tells wives to submit to their own husbands "Even as Sara OBEYED
Abraham, calling him lord".
None of this tells men to smack their wives around, and I find your associating believing in submission with wife beating to be offensive.
SaudaraLink 4 months ago
@SaudaraLink I agree with you, this video and the politically correct junk eisegesis that goes with it is absolute rubbish, and it is nothing miore than a clever attempt to get out from the clear meaning of the Word of God in relation to headship so that wives are not commanded to obey their husbands when the scripture clearly teaches that they are!
I will not be subscribing to this video channel, nor will i listen to it any furthur
greekgod41 2 months ago
@greekgod41 Thanks for the encouragement. I am wondering, why the pagan handle? It doesn't seem to fit with the Biblical comments.
SaudaraLink 2 months ago
@SaudaraLink Why did you only write about half of that verse and not the whole verse. Do not add to nor take away from his word. Speak the whole truth.
Gdrapes 1 month ago
@Gdrapes Not sure exactly what you are talking about. Do you quote the whole Bible whenever you quote a verse? These boxes allow for a limited number of characters. What is your beef exactly?
SaudaraLink 1 month ago
@SaudaraLink Limited space is no excuse. Did you notice that your talking to woman but yet your attitude is to talk to me as if I was a man "What is your beef" I wounder why this man of God had to post this video. There is nothing gentle about your spirit even in writing.
Gdrapes 1 month ago
@Gdrapes Your handle is gender neutral. I didn't know if you are male or female. Where one verse ends and another begins is based on some monk's decision from the 300's. I'm not obligated to quote the whole Bible whenever I quote a verse. Btw, I am not sure what your objection is. Btw, as a woman, why would you find references to beef offensive?
SaudaraLink 1 month ago
@SaudaraLink By the way I didn't ask you to quote the whole Bible, I just said the whole verse. There is a difference, sorry you misunderstood.
Gdrapes 1 month ago
@Gdrapes It would be nice if you would let me know what verse and what comment--from three months ago-- you are talking about-- and why the portion of the verse I quoted left something important out in your opinion. All I know is you object to something, but it isn't clear what.
SaudaraLink 1 month ago
@SaudaraLink In I Peter 3:5-6, he tells wives to submit to their own husbands "Even as Sara OBEYED
Abraham, calling him lord".
Whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement (terror).
Some of us just want to know the truth a lot of men want submission but don't make Christ their Head. Put yourself in that womans place for a change can she really trust that you have the Best intensions for her life and her walk with Christ?
Gdrapes 1 month ago
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@SaudaraLink In I Peter 3:5-6, he tells wives to submit to their own husbands "Even as Sara OBEYED
Abraham, calling him lord".
Whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement (terror).
Some of us just want to know the truth a lot of men want submission but don't make Christ their Head. Put yourself in that womans place for a change can she really trust that you have the Best intensions for her life and her walk with Christ?
Gdrapes 1 month ago
@SaudaraLink In I Peter 3:5-6, he tells wives to submit to their own husbands "Even as Sara OBEYED
Abraham, calling him lord".
Whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement (terror).
Some of us just want to know the truth a lot of men want submission but don't make Christ their Head. Put yourself in that womans place for a change can she really trust that you have the Best intensions for her life and her walk with Christ?
Gdrapes 1 month ago
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@SaudaraLink In I Peter 3:5-6, he tells wives to submit to their own husbands "Even as Sara OBEYED
Abraham, calling him lord".
Whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement (terror).
Some of us just want to know the truth a lot of men want submission but don't make Christ their Head. Put yourself in that womans place for a change can she really trust that you have the Best intensions for her life and her walk with Christ?
Gdrapes 1 month ago
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@SaudaraLink In I Peter 3:5-6, he tells wives to submit to their own husbands "Even as Sara OBEYED
Abraham, calling him lord".
Whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement (terror).
Some of us just want to know the truth a lot of men want submission but don't make Christ their Head. Put yourself in that womans place for a change can she really trust that you have the Best intensions for her life and her walk with Christ?
Gdrapes 1 month ago
If 'submit' means 'identify with'-- can you show me an example from Greek where it means that? Why have all the Greek scholars who worked on translation gone with 'submit.' And why does 'submit' mean 'submit' everywhere else but here. Women back then were expected to submit-- not just identify with--to their fathers, and then to their husbands. The Old Testament required the same thing, with fathers then husbands, having the right to cancel their vows if done so immediately.
SaudaraLink 4 months ago
What does a wife submitting to her husband have to do with all these photos of abused wives? Wives submitting doesn't mean their husbands are to beat them up. A wife submitting to her husband is something she chooses to do as unto the Lord, not something her husband is to beat out of her. I just find the photos of abused women as an argument against Biblical submission a warped way of looking at it, and it furthers the ungodly worldly prejudice against the husband and wife's roles.
SaudaraLink 4 months ago
I didn't see it as prejudice against God's marriage. It seems like YOU are more offened and all of your comments Proves it. You don't have to prove the word of God It's the truth. Please don't act like you don't hear out of the mouths of most abusive men towards women say "She will Submit to me or I will beat it out of her!" I wonder why YOUR taking this message so personal from another MAN of GOD. Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of GOD. Eph.5:21 From a believer to another.
Gdrapes 1 month ago
@Gdrapes The Bible tells us to submit to one another, and elaborates on who submits to whom wives submit to husbands, children your parents, slaves obey your masters.(See Ephesians 5-6). Wives are to submit to their husbands unto the Lord. Acknowledging this truth does not make one a wife beater as this video so vilely implies.
SaudaraLink 1 month ago
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BenDeNoon 6 months ago
Such rotten videos are made to make wives or future wives (Christian sadly) REBEL and say "you don't love ME ,you don' t respect ME,you are too this ,you are not enough that" and so on. All about ME ME and ME and an immature behaviour.
Women must submit FIRST , then men will love them.
But now 'Christianity" does the reverse and focus on 'the poor female' (always a victim ) as the modern Western world which puts women on a pedestal and keep on wrongly victimizing them. It's sinful.
framboise595 9 months ago
@framboise595 Just a quick question...what is your definition of submission...I really want to know because I really think both men and women don't know what that word means....and seriously I don't... Am not putting you in the corner...am a lady and i really want to know how men define submission.
ddfrisky 7 months ago
This video is a feminist video ans consequently has NOTHING to do with the Holy Word.
Domestic abuse is a feminist lie to make women rebel against male leadership.
Women today are a curse .They want man's place and role. And if men don't fight back ,if they let them do this ,they SIN .Satan wants men to sin and to get lost.
A prophecy in my former church adressed to a man and said :"you're not the head of your family any more.Your wife and children are lording over you. REPENT."
framboise595 9 months ago
@framboise595 So once he repented what was he to do next? Better yet what would you have done next. It's easy to point out how some else needs to repent. Please tell the body of Christ what you would have done next?
Gdrapes 1 month ago
The Holy Bible and its perfect commands have been twisted by vile devilish feminists intruders who should be KICKED AWAY from our churches.
But where has manhood gone ? Shame on all those compromizes and that "feminine" spirit which causes injustice ,destruction ,disorder, and curse.
Women are NOT to rule in anyway. God just hates it (Isaiah 3:12).
If men listened to Christ's voice instead of women's voices they would be strong and dominant as God wants them to be.
framboise595 9 months ago
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framboise595 9 months ago
What Satan loves most is turning Christian men into doormats and have their wives (or their mothers too) lording over him (the reverse of God's order) and it works !
Knowing that women have absolutely NO RESPECT for the man they dominate , the husband will automatically be despised and rejected by his wife.
Men ,lord over your wives ! It is God's command and it's right.
framboise595 9 months ago
The devil is a wonderful liar and through unsubmissive females he gets want he wants : man's loss. There's not such thing as mysoginy about him. What he hates most on the earth is MAN because man is the image and glory of God. Remember Pharao who commanded to KILL all newborn MALES (Exodus1) .
Unsubmissive women are perfect to destroy men and Satan delights in it.
Woe to modern 'christianity' which follows Jezebel.
framboise595 9 months ago
Modern Christianity is feminizing and weakening. It is shameful but maybe not new. Think of the late Middle Ages and what women had done with Christianity. Women are great at manipulating men and God knows it. That is why he commands her to submit in EVERYTHING and even if the man DOESN 'T FOLLOW GOD'S PATH.
Through her total submission she may lead him to God (1Peter 3) . This often happened in the past. But modern woman is too SELFISH to want a man's salvation ,isn't she ?
framboise595 9 months ago
That "egalitarian "view is a LIE OF THE DEVIL. Today the devil is just tricking millions of women as he tricked EVE centuries ago.
This story of husbands abusing their leadership is WRONG ! Adam did not abuse his leadership and yet Eve did not submit to him. She prefered submit to the devil. Yes it is true ! The DEVIL
Anyway wives should submit ONLY if the man is so , or so ,and not if he is not so ...where are we going this way ??? This is not submission any longer.
framboise595 9 months ago
@LordParsnip exactly, you hit the nail on the head. its so unfortunate that its actually women themselves who are encouraging the subservience of their own kind. i wonder why, it doesn't make sense. its them that ought to shut up and let us move forward. its almost like they revere men or something, which kinda makes me nauseous.
keysaar 9 months ago
Wow am I ticked. I really really want to listen to this. It is the only religious thing that I have wanted to listen to in a LONG time. And you know what? I CAN NOT HEAR WHAT HE IS SAYING!!!!! Why is the chorus behind him so freeking loud? Why is there a chorus at all? It adds nothing and obscures the words that I really WANTED TO HEAR!!!!!!
lironess 9 months ago
@lironess
"obscures the words that I really WANTED TO HEAR!!!!!!"
Absolutely true. Thank you for giving such credit to God's old prophecy about the end of times. You can hear just want YOU want to hear. And not what the Bible actually says. The truth is not at the center of the church any longer. All this had been predicted centuries ago.
We are heading for chaos.
framboise595 9 months ago
@framboise595 Well you tell me how I can possibly know what it says if I can not fucking hear a word because the music is way too loud.
If Chaos means that women are no longer abused by their husbands in the name of a misquoted scripture, that the husbands finally love their wives as Jesus loves the church, then I am all for it.
lironess 8 months ago
@lironess
Why do you say just one part of the verse ?
Husbands are to love their wives as Christ AND wives are to submit to them in everything.
There are TWO parts in the verse. And notice that female submission is cited first ,and then male love.
God is a God of order and not of anarchy.
framboise595 8 months ago
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Gdrapes 1 month ago
@framboise595 I don't get what your saying. A woman is to submit first then her husband will love her. Why would a man of God go out and pick a woman that wouldn't want to be submitsive as his wife and not have love for her until he feels he can brake her down to submission. Did he seek God first or his own Will to control.
Gdrapes 1 month ago
@PropheceyChannel Not what I expected.. Much beter then I expected. Scriptual truth is so important so we do not misguide anyone, and I'm so glad to see someone that has dared to touch this topic so 'TRUTHFULLY' and 'HONESTLY'. Not to mention sincerely. I must say that this an awesome, awesome service to both women and men. Bless you brother for being a 'Real Man' and sharing this with us.
upwordbound 1 year ago
A lot of man trying to get there respect(sometimes physicaly) cause you woman dont know how to respect men anymore..You are not our property..But you must understand that our nature is stronger than a woman's..for a reason..we bring food on the table and you should stay home and love and educate our children..So there wont be any teen girls with daddy isuess..and boy's that dont know how to treat girls!..feminism started this mess cause woman want to work there was no love left at home! EMPTY
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amalsee 1 year ago
It's important to check the language the Scripture was written in (which in this case was Greek when it comes to the epistles written by Paul). The gentleman who posted this video went beyond and did something else that is important - he sought the meaning of the translation in the context that it was being used. This comes from above. In other words, he didn't just look for the Greek word, but the correct meaning based on the situation. This is from God. The video's a blessing.
oneconcerned 1 year ago
I don't know, but I find this video kinda saddening. A christian woman is meek, humble, QUIET, docile, and submissive to her husband. A wife that overbears or impedes on her husbands authority not only violates natural law, but also violates a divine command all the way back to Genesis 3:16..Its the main reason for the high divorce rate in the US since most western women do not follow the model of the husband as being head..egalitarian view has 50% divorce rate
CreedChrist 1 year ago
I love this sermon! I did have one complaint though. Although that was a beautiful song in the background, It was a bit too loud at times drowning out the speaker.
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LaxkeDateaksn 1 year ago
Who is the speaker in this video does anyone know?
fayescott40 1 year ago
Therefore, your understanding of 'dominance', is not biblically correct. When you use the word dominance, you imply tyranical rule (ie. "Lord it over her"). But biblical leadership should look like Christ, who was a self sacrificing leader.
The woman should also look to Christ as an example, when He said "not my will, but your will be done".
Jesus is for us the perfect model of loving leadership & willful submission. As christians we MUST obey this teaching & not conform to this world.
TheManWhoSpoke 1 year ago
I disagree with just about everything you said. You go to some length with exegesis, but don't understand the passages context, which is in the light of creation and Jesus' death. These are universal constants, so your understanding that these passages speak from a cultural context is flawed.
Wives are to submit (of their own accord) to their husbands. They are not forced by the man, but they must willingly give. Husbands must love their wives, abuse & tyranical leadership is not allowed.
TheManWhoSpoke 1 year ago
1TIM 2:11-14 'Let the woman learn in silence WITH ALL SUBJECTION, But I suffer not a woman to teach, NOR TO USURP AUTHORITY OVER A MAN, but to be in silence. For ADAM WAS FIRST FORMED, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the WOMAN BEING DECEIVED WAS IN TRANSGRESSION.'
sweetnlight37 1 year ago
is there a versian with no msuic in the background because it is hard to hear
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35jing 1 year ago
-still waiting-
-waiting-
...nobody here is going to tie me up, are they?
-leaves-
LeighSabio 1 year ago
"Put women in bondage"
Yes, please.
-gets on hands and knees-
-waits for someone to tie her up-
LeighSabio 1 year ago
The marraige is like a body. The husband is the head. What happens to the body if the hand decides it wants to cut off the head? It dies. Likewise if the woman cuts off her husband from being the head, the marraige dies. A contentious woman is one who is contends for the headship. Think of two fighters contending for the title. If a man is not being the head and the woman is the head this can be a curse and will crash to the ground unless Gods grace intervenes in a certain situation.
genesistwoeighteen 1 year ago
supress: to put down by authority or force. If a husband tries to control his wife by using scripture this may be suppression. All a husband can do is educate the woman and it is the choice of the woman to make her own decision whether she wants to obey Gods word. Also if the man is not loving his wife as Christ loved the church then he will not be blessed with a woman who submits to him. The bottom line:If you build your house on the word of Christ then your house will stand if you dont CRASH!
genesistwoeighteen 1 year ago
What a stupid video, these people are a disgrace to Christians.
AtheistTower 1 year ago
Thank you.
debswildhoney 1 year ago
Thank you for stepping in.
lovelypinkhearts 1 year ago
@AtlantoLemurian No that does not mean women are inferior that means women are different,nature itself shows you that women are not equal to men,thats why when you watch the NFL on sunday women are not playing.Women are of equal importance but women are not equal to men,thats an obvious fact of life.
brianbmf 1 year ago
@AtlantoLemurian What sexist comments did i make?
brianbmf 1 year ago
@AtlantoLemurian A womn is not supposed to be submissive to an abusive man,nobody ever said that!We are talking about righteous men,and women are to be submissive to their own husbands as the bible says.
brianbmf 1 year ago
You SHOULD respect your girl. And I have NO background issues.
You girl however should not insult you or demean you, especially in front of your children. Thats all I said.
And that SOMEONE in the relationship will HAVE to be the head that ultimately makes the decision for the family. There's no way around that.
sandman3131 2 years ago
Yeah, your girl should never insult you or demean you... i agree. its just you keep mentioning it & ive never made that argument nor disagreed with yours. im just saying whats wrong with equality?
me and my girl compromise. sometimes we do it her way, sometimes we do it mine. theres really no struggle of power between us, yet neither of us are dominant or submissive. i wouldnt want it that way... i had a submissive girl who tried to hard to please me that i wondered if anyone was home.
Key2daUnderground 2 years ago
Compromise is fine. Compromise is key. But one person will ultimately end up being the Alpha.
It's nature. And fighting nature always leads to...divorce.
sandman3131 2 years ago 3
Um... ok.
Key2daUnderground 2 years ago
hi key...its interesting and very relevant that you show that when you had a submissive girl she obviously wasnt respected...and only weak males would twant such
people who dont think like you and I, dont know what values,morals/decencies are wouldnt even be able to comprehend why you would ask whats wrong with equality'
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theyve been brainwashed since birth that women must subjugate to males
proudfemale 2 years ago
[cont]
i also had a girl who thought she was my fucking mom & had to get rid of her. its a balance...
Key2daUnderground 2 years ago
Balance order,and when a decision has to made yes you should listen to your wifes opinion on the matter but you as a man need to be a leader and make that final decision weather it is what she suggested or what you suggested.
brianbmf 2 years ago
lol
so what does your wife;s opinion matter in your very childish example
you are showing how insecure you are, how backwardly stupid with your claim that a women cant be the head of anything as a male can
proudfemale 2 years ago
Well that explains,you dont even believe in the bible.Your to dumb to understand it anyway.And this also shows your just a faggot that lets women control you and rule over you.
brianbmf 2 years ago
Titus 2:5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed......The word obedient is clear in this passage,wives are to be obedient to their husbands,and you can go into the greek or any other language,obedient is obedient period.And the husbands are to love their wives as christ loved the church.
brianbmf 2 years ago 3
Yep, makes perfect sense too.
If you don't want to be a WIFE then don't get married. Plain and simple.
This is the EXACT reason men today aren't getting married anymore. Women take them to the cleaners and then make monetary SLAVES out of them in divorce court....and women innitiate OVER 70% of all no fault divorces.
And on top of that most women today don't WANT to be a wife.....they want to be a husband.
Sorry, but men aren't buying anymore. Fuck the future.
sandman3131 2 years ago
Well thank you.
People get confused when they take the quote "wives, submit to your husbands"
I surely don't want a SLAVE. But I DO want a woaman that's supportive and constructive instead of confrontatinal and harpy. Especially not undermining me in front of our children.
You CAN'T have everyone at the same position or it won't work. Too much fighting. You need an owner, a manager, and the staff.
And that is USUALLY the Husband/father, Wife, then the staff of children.
sandman3131 2 years ago
that is the most misogynistic thing ive heard since archie bunker LOL... so we must run our families like a corporation where the husband is the boss/president of the company?
It would make me sick to not be in love with an equal.
Key2daUnderground 2 years ago
Men and women cannot be equals,its impossable,we are relative to eachother but we are not equal,we are to different.
So if you in love with another equal that would make you homosexual because only a man can be equal to you.
brianbmf 2 years ago
Equal not meaning the same... equal as in intellectual value, emotional value, as in neither submissive nor dominant of one another, but an equal partnership.
I cant believe I had to explain that.
Key2daUnderground 2 years ago
Intellectual value and emotional value or valueing somebody in anyway is not equality.The woman is supposed to be submissive to her man,that clear in the bible.And a man is supposed to be a leader.How are you gonna say a woman is not to be submissive when the bible says she is to be??
brianbmf 2 years ago
I asssume you mean INTELLECTUAL value. And thats almost NEVER equal. NEVER. Some wives are more intelligent than their husbands and vice versa. But don't sit there and say that they should both be intellectually equal....thats retarded.
sandman3131 2 years ago
youre telling me that theres no way that 2 people could be just as intelligent as the other? Are you saying this concept is impossible?
Key2daUnderground 2 years ago
It's not IMPOSSIBLE but it's very close to impossible.
sandman3131 2 years ago
No, it's not mysogynistic at ALL. Perhaps you are Mysandric?
Anyway thats why I capitalized the word USUALLY. Usually it's the man as the HEAD of the family, his choices should be respected and he should not be insulted nor demeaned ever, ESPECIALLY in front of the children becaus that shows weakness in the family.
The head of the family CAN be a woman and in many cases it IS. There are SOME submissive weak willed men out there that need a dominant woman. It's just not as common.
sandman3131 2 years ago
This blatant propaganda. Women commit MORE domestic violence than men do. And thats just whats reported. Let alone all the times men don't report it out of pride.
Women also innitiate 70% of ALL no fault divorces.
"Emotional abuse" Give me a break. Women CONSTALTLY harp at men and insult them. Yet you don't hear men whining about "emotional abuse"
sandman3131 2 years ago
This video made me cry. I was married to an emotionally abusive man that finally left because he said I wouldn't *submit* to him. Every Christian man needs to watch this.
lambchopxoxo 2 years ago 6
Very touching. Thanks!
inhistime2007 2 years ago
I am in agreement with you. What he is planting is backwards in the old. The enemy is twisting his understanding of scripture. What is even more disturbing this guy has another video saying its bibical for man to have mutiple wives. Let's stand together in agreement,.
idodean 2 years ago
I listened to your message again... I have found women does not have a problem with submission, the problem is the teaching of Paul is taken out of context. There is a huge difference between a man being head of the house and over his wife. I had a conversation with a person who stated a woman shows submission by turning the other cheek to an unloving husband and she is to remain voiceless because a man has authority of her. My heartaches to know this person actually as a ministry.
idodean 2 years ago 7
odd video with the music in the background. kind of creepy set up as well. But if it helps a husband understand he is to love his wife then thats great.
idahoman325 2 years ago
Abuse of ANY kind is NOT justified by the Holy Scripture. Nevertheless, light feminism isn't justifiable either. VERY great points are made but, please note that in these last days abuse is also coming from women (mostly verbal) and the man's response is physical. Why are churches 90% women while mosque and synogouges are just the opposite. De-emphasizing the role of a MAN (non-abusive) is ERROR! I think the statistics are biased and marred. However, GOOD WORK.
aethiops007 2 years ago
Yes, I hope this was not taken to be a "feminist" video. Unfortunately, that term has been very corrupted and changed from its original inception. It began as equality: the right to vote and so on. Men and women are not equal as we are very different. However, that does not mean one is over the other or better than. Right relationship is a mutual sacrifice of self.
Thank you for your comment Aethiops
ProphecyChannel 2 years ago
I agree Aethiops this video should not be taken to be a feminist video.
idodean 2 years ago 2
I have witnessed physical abuse of many christian female family members. I have been angered at the church's silence on the issue of abuse of women and children. Thank you for this video. I pray your ministry against domestic violence grows exponentially.
ndependentwoman 2 years ago
Its fine to have a ministry against domestic violence but to say that the man being the head does not mean what it says is wrong,and to basically throw Gods order out of the window is wrong aswell,all through the bible we see Gods order from genesis to revelations the head of the woman is the man period.The woman is supposed to SUBMIT to the man as he submits to christ period,ther is no way around that!
brianbmf 2 years ago
This is a feminist video because you are trying to change the meaning of what a scripture means because of what somebody said to you.You cannot deny Gods order because somebody does not understand it.
brianbmf 2 years ago
The head of the man is christ and the head of the woman is the man period,thats the order.
brianbmf 2 years ago
As the man obeys and loves christ the woman is to obey and love him.All through the bible this is backed up and it does not mean nothing different in greek.
brianbmf 2 years ago
@ProphecyChannel i feel differently, men and women are equal,in gods eyes, his soul is not more valuable than hers, for a spirit can not be cherished more or less on the grounds of the gender of the body in which it possessed, but rather the beauty of a man and woman shines when they adopt the roles god has set for them to follow. Our differences make us work and fit like pieces of a jigsaw, we compliment one and other
toolongtoremember 1 year ago
@toolongtoremember Yes. I agree. Both men and women are equal. The Apostle Paul said in Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And believe or not, the Apostle Paul was an advocate for "WOMEN'S LIBERATION." I've done an extensive study on this topic for more years than I can count and the Apostle Paul is one of the most misquoted writers of the scripture. God sees no gender.
sourceofjoy7 10 months ago
@ProphecyChannel ok if this video is true, then what about married couples that enjoy the bdsm world, and going to munches and sessions. tell me somehing is there any good spirituality behind this?
the7ronin 1 year ago
@ProphecyChannel please don't confuse some radical feminist for *all* feminists. the bulk of feminist want what the 1st and 2nd wave feminists wanted - equality of treatment, equality of opportunity, and the disappearance of mysogyny. right now, we're in a backlash with large swaths attempting to "return" women to a 50's-ideal that NEVER actually existed, and this attack leads to some radicalism. even still, most - over 90% of us - just want the SAME rights and responsibilites and respect.
denelian1 10 months ago
Enless you are the one who have been abused you would never understand how it feels to be connected to a man's fist. I was abused for 10 yrs and stayed because I thought I would be sin if I left. Yes at the end of this relationship I did get verbal but that was due to anger of physical, emmotional, mental and spiritual abuse. God himself pulled me out of this relationship 9 yrs ago. Since that time I have received closer, healing and deliverence and focused on God.
idodean 2 years ago 5
I commend you for getting out of the abusive relationship. Amen.
ProphecyChannel 2 years ago
@ProphecyChannel wow, dude, this story sounded alot like the BDSM world that i've been studying about.
the7ronin 1 year ago
I understand. I stated, "Abuse of ANY kind is NOT justified by the Holy Scripture".
aethiops007 2 years ago
What is the song played in the background? Thanks for the video, and God bless.
jellyrcw11 2 years ago
You are very welcome for the video friend. There are two songs on this video and both are from Michael W. Smith. The first is "Agnus Dei" and the second is "Let It Rain".
Grace to you
ProphecyChannel 2 years ago
i soo enjoy sound teaching!
thank you for sharring
LoveChild0791 2 years ago 4
Christ is the HEAD of the church. HEAD does not mean attached to in this case. It would make no sense. Now lets see what Christ did. Christ loved and respected the church, he Loved God, He protected the church. He put God and the church before himself and he died for the church. The man must love his wife in such. Hence the natural submission of a woman should come out. No suppression.
dantej32 2 years ago
The producer is wrong. There is no mistaking between the meaning of being the HEAD. Attached to the church or is Christ the LEADER of the Christian church. EVEN SARAH OBEYED Abraham and clled him master. But Abraham LOVED his wife and treated her well. This passage cannot be used to suppress women.
dantej32 2 years ago
three areas:
1. His love of God
2. Love of himself
3. Love me as he loves God and himself.
I pray that ALL future husbands hear the loving and kind words of this video. Unfortunately, too many videos are done in the spirit of anger and hatred toward women in general. Certain videos focus, primarily, on the wife's role to submit. They ignore issues of domestic violence. Please continue to do more vids on this subject. You have an eager listener.
God bless
ndependentwoman 2 years ago
Excellent video bro, I did a video just like there but you did a MUCH better job than I did
Krazie316 2 years ago 2
Praise the LORD my friend. I will have to check yours out as well. Thank you for the kind comments and thank you for sharing God's purpose in relationship.
Grace and peace to you!
ProphecyChannel 2 years ago
Praise God! Thank you for giving this message to ut. I sense it was done in the spirit of love. When I marry, I will keep this sermon in mind. My husband will express his 1.) love for God. 2.) Love for himself. 3.Love for me as he loves Christ and himself.
Krazie 316 video is amazing on this issue.
God bless
ndependentwoman 2 years ago
Praise the Lord!! I am so grateful you put this vid on ut!! I sense this video was done in the spirit of love. When I marry again, I will keep this sermon in mind. My future husband must express
ndependentwoman 2 years ago
Yes there is beauty in marriage.
However this video twists the scriptures.
The husband is to love the wife as himself and die for her. The wife is to submit to husbands.
Do not ignore 1 Peter 3:1 (and hupotassō DOES mean in subjection).
And also Ephesians 5:24 - 'As the Church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in EVERYTHING.' This one u can't twist because it is in context of our relationship to Christ!
This is a very subtle and ubiblical video.
1wingsolja 2 years ago
1wingsolja re hupotasso: This begins to set up interesting circumstances in a person's life. It is a major reason that the word hupotasso is used rather than the Greek word for obedience, hupakoe—"attentive hearkening." God wants us to know that we are to think matters through and not merely to comply. We are to use our minds and decide to go in a chosen direction because we realize, know, understand, and set our will to submit to the right and good and true.
lambchopxoxo 2 years ago
Hi! Great video, but I'm still kinda confused by what that person who wrote you meant when he wrote "wife"? In other words, is he saying that she shouldn't own anything or that she has no right to property? Also, what worship cd is that? Me likee! God bless you!
Sohaila95 2 years ago
Sohaila,
Both songs are by Michael W. Smith:
Agnus Dei
Let it Rain
Grace and peace to you
ProphecyChannel 2 years ago
godswordtowomen(dot) org/
LuckyJupiter702 2 years ago
Hi Gina,
The site you provided does not seem to exist. I looked it up and I get an error stating that my browser cannot find the address. Have they moved?
Grace and peace be with you sister.
ProphecyChannel 2 years ago
hm thats strange. did you put the slash mark after the org?
if the address bar didnt work try going to a search engine. ask(dot) com then type it in without any spaces. you should see it at the top of the page with a light colored pic next to it.
by the way, good video. it makes me happy whenever i come across a man who knows about this. its sad when people oppose truth without doing any research of their own. i just thought there was info there that you could add to your knowledge.
LuckyJupiter702 2 years ago
Gina,
I tried both ways and used the search engine as well. I just gave it another shot and its up. Perhaps they were performing some site maintenance earlier.
Thank you for the link and I will check it out.
May His love and grace keep you
ProphecyChannel 2 years ago
man is head of the wife as Christ is head of the church. Christ loves the church. Christ treats the church well and died for the church, and he IS the leader of the church. Man must also love his wife and treat her well and must be willing to die for her. With that said, the man is the leader. It should be in the woman's nature to submit to such kindness, but many refuse because of the word SUBMIT.
dantej32 2 years ago
Clearly, you completely ignored the context of this video. "We have used Paul's liberating words to put women in bondage." Pls.review the video again. Note the domestic violence statistics. HEAR THE WORDS OF THE MINISTER.
ndependentwoman 2 years ago
OK, so loving your wife places her in bondage. Willing to die for your wife places the wife in bondage. Treating her body better than your own places the woman in bondage. The man must treat the man well. And there is scripture that PAUL DOES say "OBEY". But If treating and loving your wife so much that you are willing to die for her as Christ was willing to die for his church, places the woman in bondage, I see why 60% of black women are single.
dantej32 2 years ago
Clearly, you completely ignored the context of this video. My heart aches for you. You are so angry at black women, you refuse to hear, in love, A MAN OF GOD, speak to the husband's responsibility. Krazie316 also has an excellent video on the issue of roles in marriage. His video comes from a place of love, not anger. I wish you well. I pray that you are healed from your anger. God bless.
ndependentwoman 2 years ago
Ndependent, I am sorry to say this, but you are really STUPID. You say that I am angry towards BW, But I say love your wife. I say the man must protect his wife and tret her body Better than your own, you say that I refuse to hear in love. What hateful words Have I said. All that I have stated is love yet you come off with utter nonsense. I pray that you get better reading comprehension skills.
dantej32 2 years ago
THANK YOU FOR PROVING MY POINT. I came to you clearly in the spirit of love. When all comprehension is missed you resort to name calling. Again, I say, in the spirit of love--God bless.
ndependentwoman 2 years ago 2
I apologize, but it became frustrating for me writing about how much love we are to show to our wives SEVERAL TIMES only to see you write that I have anger toward BW women. You understand?
dantej32 2 years ago
Apology accepted. God bless you.
ndependentwoman 2 years ago
Dantej32-THANK YOU FOR PROVING MY POINT. Name calling is the hallmark of a person who cannot provide intelligent responses to a subject. When all comprehension is missed you resort to name calling. Again, I say, in the spirit of love--God bless.
ndependentwoman 2 years ago
Dantej32- IN THE SPIRIT OF LOVE-Your anger towards black women deafens your heart from hearing the words from A MAN OF GOD.PLS. REVIEW THE VIDEO. He clearly said," We have used Paul's liberating words..." I pray that you overcome your anger towards black women. Spoken in the spirit of God's love toward you. God bless.
ndependentwoman 2 years ago
this video is a LOT better than mine, but on the same level.
I'm glad you liked mine though
Krazie316 2 years ago
1 Corinthians 11
[7] For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
[8] For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
[9] Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
[10] For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
NephilimFree 2 years ago
[1] Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
NephilimFree 2 years ago
"for the husband is the head of the wife"
That says it all. You must deny scripture to interpret these words to mean anything other than what they state as a sentance.
NephilimFree 2 years ago
Friend,
Please research "head" and its meaning outside of just a biblical concordance - look into its meaning in Greek texts. If you watch the video again I show why and how this word is equally translated as "source". Given the context of Paul's reference to Genesis, this lends to that interpretation being correct.
This has nothing to do with "denying" scripture. It has everything to do with correct translation.
ProphecyChannel 2 years ago
And as far as a woman being "subject" to the man, Paul states in verse 21 that we are to be "subject" to one another.
Regardless of your interpretation we are all subject to Christ. Even if you had any authority (which we don't), lay it down. CHOOSE to lay it down in humility.
Who did Christ reveal Himself to first? The apostles denied her testimony. But Paul says, "There is neither... male nor female for we are all ONE in Christ Jesus".
ProphecyChannel 2 years ago
Paul used the word kephale. This word does mean "head," the part of one's body. It was also used to mean "foremost" in terms of position. It was never used to mean "leader" or "boss" or "chief" or "ruler." Kephale is also a military term. It means "one who leads," but not in the sense of "director."
ProphecyChannel 2 years ago
Kephale did not denote "general," or captain," or someone who orders the troops from a safe distance; quite the opposite, a kephale was one who went before the troops, the leader in the sense of being in the lead, the first one into battle.
ProphecyChannel 2 years ago
Now, if the word translated "head" meant "boss," then husbands are to rule their wives; and the word translated "be subject to" would naturally mean "to obey." But since kephale does not mean "ruler" or convey any sense of leadership (aside from meaning "the first into battle"), then perhaps the word Paul used that is translated "be subject to " does not convey a sense of obedience.
ProphecyChannel 2 years ago
In fact, the use of that word in verse 21 ("be subject to one another") clarly demonstrates that it does not mean obedience, for it would be as impossible for a group of people to be obedient to each other as it would be for a group to follow each other.
ProphecyChannel 2 years ago
Please continue your study in this way. Do not just accept what you have been taught or think you read plainly. There are subtle meanings in Greek and due to this there are issues when translating into English.
Kephale means "head" as in body as pointed out above, NOT in authority. As you can see, this meaning is also used as a river head, meaning source.
It is also used as the first one into battle. This does not indicate authority. It indicates sacrifice.
Peace be with you.
ProphecyChannel 2 years ago
1 Corinthians 11
[7] For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
[8] For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
[9] Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
[10] For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
NephilimFree 2 years ago
Attention all husbands: Paul said submit yourselves one to another (and that includes your wife). Jesus said if you want to be greatest then become the servant of all (and that includes your wife). And Jesus washed the feet of His apostles to set an example of humility and submissive service to each other (and that includes your wife). Husbands why don't you try following these instructions and I suspect your wife will return the favor?
sincitypreacher 2 years ago 4
Amen
ProphecyChannel 2 years ago
God bless you brother.... I didnt think there was others that truly understood... thank you so much for your Love for Christ...I will love Christ and I will cry for Christ as I am now..nobody feels in his heart what Christ felt on that cross
israelword 2 years ago 2
That is sooo moving and too rare a message!
May your tribe increase!
Shalom, Charis
4Charis 2 years ago 3
Hey I had kind of a hard time understanding everything you said in the video because the background music was too loud. Could you put some of what you said in the description area so we can read it please? Thanks.
I agree, the verse 'submit to each other' seems to get over looked alot. Plus there are other verses saying abusers will not inherit the kingdom of God. Abuse can be emotional too. :(
moonglow38 2 years ago
There are two songs included here by Michael W. Smith. They are in order:
1) Agnus Dei
2) Let It Rain
ProphecyChannel 2 years ago
That is just too funny...thank you for making me laugh : )
What many don't consider is the fact that even God taking on a body was the most humble act of humility. Just think about it - God, the creator and unlimited and holy One, humbled Himself in human body and took all that He endured and never lifted a finger. He could have wiped out the entire world in one word but he loved us so much He gave Himself as a sacrifice.
This passage said we are to love our wives like THAT (5:25). Wow!
ProphecyChannel 2 years ago
Thanks for posting this. I will be looking researching what you have to say. I certainly appreciate it that you are speaking out against abusing wives. We
know that is not what the Father wants for His daughters. :-)
LoricaLady 2 years ago 3
You are welcome Lorical.
I encourage you to research how 5:21 is believed to have been part of the Husband and Wife section below. As I just expressed to Hybrid above, chapters and verses were not added until the Geneva Bible that preceded the KJV. You may enjoy the rest of the comments as well that were just posted.
Its not just about abuse but about right relationship.
May His love and grace keep you always.
ProphecyChannel 2 years ago
May Abba's love and grace keep you and yours, too, Mr. Prophecy Channel. :-)
LoricaLady 2 years ago
Hybrid,
I encourage you to consider verse 21 that says "Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.". This verse has been deemed by most scholars to be part of the husband and wife body of scripture. Remember, verses and chapters were not added until the Geneva Bible. It simply is not in context with the body of scripture above.
Bibles today continue in the tradition because that is the way it has always been done.
continued...
ProphecyChannel 2 years ago
Brother, God did submit himself. In Philippians we read:
"But [Christ] made himself of NO REPUTATION, and took upon him the form of a SERVANT, and was made in the likeness of men:"...who was beaten, mocked, crucified and said on the cross, "forgive them Father, for they know not what they do."
The passage in Ephesians is a circle of submission to one another and not a line of hierarchy.
ProphecyChannel 2 years ago
a truehyrid...the man does not have the final say.how it goes is,say for instance that you guys want a new coutch,well if one of you dont agree on a certain coutch then you keep looking till you both agree on one.its a partnership.not a daddy daughter thing.thats a turn off.
zuniga6412 2 years ago 2
If you cant understand that you dont 'own' a woman or shouldn't beat her, you are simply less than an ape.
Castration for such people please. Will prevent a lot of trouble.
r3t4y5 3 years ago
The issue is not just to the extreme of abuse or "ownership". It is a problem of family hierarchy whereby the husband ends up having the "final say". This ultimately defeats the purpose of true and right relationship.
In the case of abuse, as you mentioned, this passage can be used as an excuse - from physical confrontation to lesser "headship". Either way, its a load of malarchy.
Thank you for the comment
ProphecyChannel 3 years ago
Genesis 2:18 God made woman to be a help mete the man not to be his equal even nature teaches you that and you missed verse 24 in Eph 5,it says Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing...subject in the greek means to obey,as the church obeys christ wives should obey ther husbands thats clear but its not saying to obey a wicked man,in the same passage it says husbands love your wives as christ loved the church.
brianbmf 3 years ago
brian - Praying for any wife you have or may have in the future. Also praying for you to know the love of Yeshua deeply in your heart.
LoricaLady 2 years ago
and also 1Cor 11:3 states the same and also and you cant say it was bondage to women because in 1Peter 3:6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement...women are to be daughters of sarah obeying ther husband as sarah did and we know abraham was a righteous man of God so dont say it was an opressive situation it was the way God made it from the begining and God aint wrong.
brianbmf 3 years ago
Please research the Greek word "hupotasso" outside of Strong's Concordance. As useful of a tool as it is, it does not give a clear understanding of this word. You must also deeply contrast it with the Greek word "hupakoe".
Unless you research it outside of skewed interpretation and its use in general context and literature, you have not seen the point clearly.
ProphecyChannel 3 years ago