i just got out of my baby-bat years though i am only 13. my mom accepts me for who i am, but people at school mistake me for emo...and sometimes "scene" 0.o
Is there some stupid rule that if you're Goth, you're NOT supposed to wear skinny jeans? Because I'm kind of a Goth and I wear skinny jeans, not "tripp" pants. Also, while we're on the subject, I really hate emos for copying Goth...
@xxDeadlyDECAYxx emo's dont copy goths, im an emo and i dont copy goths!Emo's arn't obssessed with black, they dont wear all the types of clothes that goth's wear, and again, we don't copy goths. :L
I could be full goth, I just need some major makeup tips. Plus, I'm nervous about showing up at school with lots of makeup on (even tho I want too) I also get called emo a lot, but I think I'm getting used to it..,
i had those baby bat years in elementary school (crazy way too young but my family was very supportive.) and it was a phase for me. i like the goth culture. i wore alot of trip & stuff too, i then went to the "scene" stage through middle school & part of high school. now almost a senior i dress i guess you would say boho/hipster/girly. i was raised in a non-conformist aspect and i still listen to really dark music but the baby bat years is something i wont forget
PLEASE READ THIS!(sorry for my bad English)So,I'm 14 ,and I LOVE goth style,and i listen to goth music,i dye my hair crazy colors.But the thing is that my parents won't let me change completely,i live in a small town where no one is goth.I have no support ,i just watch this videos and only than i see people who would understand me.Most of the time i'm wearing black ,and all of the kids in the school think that I'm weird.I have some friend but they don't get me really.PLEASE GIVE ME SOME ADVICE.
I started my baby bat years in year 7 when I was 11 or 12, so basically same age as you. Then everyone started asking me if I was gonna start cutting myself and start wearing all black and that. Then I just sorted to stop because it wasn't working. A few years later I started to get in to 'the emo style'. I figured out that wasn't for me. But I've gone back to Goth and it feels so much better feels so much, because it feels like me.
Getting older is a funny thing. It's so wierd seeing goths say ' I remember being called emo... ' When I was a kid, emo wasn't around yet, so when I thought I'd wear a dog collar to school, everybody was even more mean than normal and actually started to call me a Wierdo, Goth or Freak. Now I'm starting to freak as I was called an eldergoth by someone... I'm not sure how to feel about this :\
Im not alloud to buy vampire books, ghost books, or angel and demon books, cant wear black, cant paint my nails black, cant buy black cloths, see ghost movies, vampire movies, or anything of the nature :( i couldnt even see the Lady In Black -:(
my baby bat years started when i was 13 and a half and n ow im 20 and i've had people call me emo or aski if i was and it made me so mad and i kind of got a little sarcastic but im usually friendly and people would ask if i worshiped satan and did witch craft and i said no
My babybat phase was really late--because of haters, my parents, pressure to fit in, etc. I was probably 17 when I started wearing darker clothes, and 18 when I was wearing those laughable Tripp pants like you described. I decided to actually research about what Goth really was and started listening to the actual music. I'm 24 and I don't necessarily dress like a typical goth anymore, just a black band T and black jeans and make up, if I'm adventurous that day I'll wear my dark lipstick.
My mom tells me that if I look goth, I'm not, it makes me mad, I keep trying to tell her it's not just the clothing style, but it doesn't really work/:
I'm 14 and a baby bat , I'm still learning but I find it hard because of my parents , my mum will accept it but I'm scared that my dad won't. Also because I live in London where there aren't many goths , only about 2% are goths and my friends are excepting who I am. One of my friends is emo ,but I have no goth friends . My school only has 2 goth girls out of 1400 students , I live watching your video's so keep up the good work :D
i know for sure im a babybat. ive always beena fan of goth culter since i was a little kid and i just began really exprssi.g it last year. im ib eight grade now and im thy only babybat in my school. i reallly hate being called emo too -_- i l. am. not. emo.
ugh...i HATE hot topic.... my babybat phase was brief because i refused to be made fun of and i wanted to be a true individual. i found everything at goodwill OR i made it myself. :D my motto for babybats is "KEEP IT SIMPLE"
I say im a baby bat becuzz im a boy...stupid i know but i feel like when i wear my make up and nail polish im bring judged and basically unwanted. I dress in a button up black coat that im picked on about, my favorite invader zim hoodie and black shoes with not really tight jeans but ones that dont show my ass to the world. I would luv to be able to dress like a boy but still dress goth, i feel so uncomftorable in makeup (nailpolish i can handle) and so out right weird. Make a video for me :)
I'll be 40 this year, and my god I did some dodgy things in terms of being a Goth around the ages of 14-16. I think we've all had our baby bat period at some stage.
I'd consider myself a baby bat now. im 16 and have one goth friend. in middle school (where we met) she would try and give me makeovers and recomend videos to get this "look". I loved every aspect of it. but I think my mom kinda persuaded me to "keep colors" and stuff. i feel like i should be goth but i cant because of my parents. now i really dont kno what i am. I wear a combo of goth, emo, scene, nerdy, girly, hipster....i guess im trying to find myself. what do you guys think?
I went through a sort of baby bat stage. Then I realized that I didn't want a label on my style and decided to just wear whatever the hell I feel like wearing, whether it be goth, emo, scene, prep, hipster, or whatever. It feels good. Even though you accept the label, I give you mad props for just being who you want to be. I wish more people would do the same.
I'm glad I stumbled upon your video. I'm not a goth, I'm more into vintage, classic clothes but it really bugs me that people throw insults at one another without getting to know each other. I can tell from your other videos that you're a nice person who just wants to be herself and I admire you for what you're doing. I have friends who are goths, metal fans,beauty consultants, etc.and we really get on well with each other. I hope you won't experience hatred ever again, you don't deserve it :)
I used to not like goths like you...But now that I have come to admire you guys for your odd outlook, i feel bad for all the times I regard you guys with contempt. Thank God I know accept you guys.
Yeah I understand I became a baby bat at 10 and I'm only 13 now so i just got out of the baby bat stage but in that process I was called emo and my good friend cleared it up for everyone that I was goth and not emo and now people know
I am 20 and I have fully blossomed out of my baby bat years, it's taken me about 4 years, but I am proud to be who I am and where I am right now ^"^ <666
I'm only in middle school, and I'm given death threats. I attempt to remain positive, but along with the fact that about 290 out of 320 people in my grade are terrible to me for stupid reasons, things can be oppressive. And plus, the 2 shows I would watch when I was little were courage the cowardly dog and invader zim...:)
Your hair looks so soft! I want to touch it! (sorry >w<)
Anyway, i'm a junior in highschool, and i think i may be slowly shifting to goth, i'm feeling more comfortable in dark clothing, and my tastes have been switching from liking 80's pop-ish style to a dark lolita/ victorian taste. Though i'm ridiculed in school enough as it is, so i'm not sure if that is what is keeping me away for it...
@MistressOfTheDecay yeah i agree thats what i love about it, the elegance and appreciation for dark things, i am very happy as well to be apart of it. here i finally feel like myself. and i like the feeling. everything in the subculture is so amazing :)
Also remember being called emo. I hated that. Thats my biggest pet peeve. When kids @ school asked me if I was emo I of coursed said no and would explained to them the whole difference between gothic & emo. My friends began worrying about me and thought that soon I'll be getting into satanisim and creepy rituals. Now people understand me more which is good and I'm happy with what I love. Hopefully my parents will one day understand my lifestyle I've chosen
I remember when I first started getting into rock music, each time I listened to rock for some reason I felt inspired to dress up in black corsets boots and black lipstick and that is exactly what I did. I discovered goth music and the whole culture. I wasant a baby bat for long. It prob. Took me less than a year to get over that. I was so amazed at the gothic subculture, it opened another world for me. For my parents it opened a new hell. They always thought it was a phase and they still do. I
my baby bat year was..4th, when i became goth cause I thought if you were mad and depressed you were goth.
Now, 8 years later, I just got back into the goth scene, but I've done shit loads of research first, and a lot of my elder goths think I never went through the baby bat thing. I did, and looking back, i laugh at how I acted.
To continue what I was saying still because I feel so pretty when my lips are black and my makeups done up. I dont consider myself "full goth" because I love wearing colors and everything, but the makeup and lots of the things that they have are my favorite things to own/wear/etc. Also when you said you were called emo so was i, rumors were spread and id be pulled into the principals office for things people tabbed on me but never even talked to me about. I think support is what everyone needs.
I remember 8th grade to Freshman year i was a babybat My friends were supportive but going into high school was the worst part with bullying everywhere, I would go to the movies and everyone would laugh and point or come up to me and ask me if I was going to the circus. My mom said she was embarressed to be seen with me and my dad who i bearly saw didnt like how i looked. I think thats why I stopped doing it because I only got posative feedback once or twice. I put on black lipstick sometimes
My Baby Bat years were 11-12. Then, I became the Metalhead version of a Baby Bat 12-13. After that I began to mature. I started exploring Metal and other of my favorite genres. Ever since I have been a growing evolving Metal girl (at age 15 now).
What I've heard from many Goths is that they don't like being reminded of thier own baby bat years. And baby bats to them is a physical reminder of that. Also technically until you reach adulthood baby bat is meant for you seeing as it was orginally meant to mean a young goth in terms of age instead of in terms of new to the subculture.
I don't get it. What IS a goth anyway? No one ever has a straight answer. From what I can gather, it's just a bunch of people who wear black because somehow that makes them feel like "themselves". It almost sounds like a mental disorder. I'm no saying it is, but this lack of clarity doesn't help. What's so bad about color? Why do you only wear certain things or listen to certain stuff? It basically sounds like the inverse of people who only wear color because they dont like black for some reason
@ClearAbyss Goth is a subculture, being as it is you could go to any other subculture and get a lot of diffrent answers (like hippies for example) Being Goth unforently means something diffrent for everyone so it is hard to give a clear definition. Along with the subculture of goth there is also diffrent kinds of a goth to. I only have a limited amount of charaters to explain this to you but if you want a more detailed explanation I can note you if you want. I hope this cleared this up a little.
Thank you so much! I feel you understand because during my baby bat years my parents thought it was a phase and now that am 16 they try to get me to stop but im fine and happy with who I am so I just try to get them to understand Goth culture more.
i think im lucky i didnt have any baby bat years. i knew what goth was from the start. being a goth bringed up my confidence alot. than when i wasnt and was just a rocker girl. i discovered goth music and i loved all those old school bands from the start! i always loved the outstanding fashion of goths. love the lace, corsets, and combat boots!
I think the tension between babybats and goths goes both ways, not only "mature" goths are to blame for this unacceptance, babybats also hold some responsability.
when I was just starting, instead of believeing I knew better, or get angry with what the'd say.. I aproached an older person that had more experience (I mean music department) than me and said hey,.. teach me, i want to learn..
That caused a good reaction because they felt flattered and proud, babybats should this aproach...
Sebastian.. Another great video.. You Rock!!!! This 32 year old "Goth" who is also a Christian has subscribed to your channel. I love your videos, and I want you to know that you are awesome. No, I am not a stalker.. or any weird stuff.. Just wanted you to know that there are people who understand that are a good bit older. Much love
Im so glad my mom never had a problem with me being a goth the only one who did was my grandma one night she decided to humiliate me in front of my family she was hardcore christian she was talking about how she was gunna drag me to church and such everyone was laughing, until i said "priest and nuns always wear black are they going to hell too?" i never heard her critisize me again.This was during my baby bat years around 10 i am now 20 unfortunately my grandma died of cancer when i was 15.
here in portugal it's very difficult to get people to understant why you're different because people don't accept the diference. I thought that I was the only one that passed through those years, because I was the only goth in my school. now I'm not the only one but they're all baby bats, the other gothic girl in school moved so I'm the only one again, but I'm very happy that those years passed :)
My baby bat years were very similar to yours, I was 13, (now I'm 17 soon 18) and those years to me were very bad because the people who I called friends stop talking to me and call me emo -.-' and I tried to were color shirts with black pants and some times the opposite, I had a pair of black vans they were like my favorite shoes, my first "gothic" shoes were a pair of STEEL boths (that I still have) I was so happy, but when I took them to shcool I was mocked so hard.
I guess I had one baby bat year but, it hasn't stuck. I'm not a goth (at least I don't think I am, at all) That was a hard year with bullying and generally sad, awkward and angry
I have a question,if you don't mind. /WARNING..I am a baby bat and I have very stupid questions/ I am twelve years old,and I went to school,sorta looking boyish,yet still goth. If I start dressing sorta ''girly'' I suppose I should say,would it be considered a ''poser?''
@mychonnygrl it's not a dumb question. StG might give you a better answer than me (cuz i'm not goth)but "sorta girly" I'm thinking dresses and skirts and stuff, right? Nah, I don't consider that posing, I consider that a goth with style. There are really cute black dresses, skirts, blouses, and shoes that fit tons of female goths. Don't have to dress boyish to be a goth. It's all in the execution of makeup, accessories, and hair my mother says lol. Just need to work it, girl, work it. :)
@mychonnygrl Being girly doesn't mean being opposite of Goth. I asked myself the same question a long time ago. Dressing girly will actually make you feel better. Well it did for myself. I love girly Goth clothes.
my friend and i watched this video. we think we may be baby bats, we have thought we are somewhat goth for a while, but because we were told that. my brother was goth i guess, and he was a role model for me an to this day still is. i adore tim burton movies and i dont have much dark clothes, because their isnt anything like that i really fit into. i have some black acid washed jeans and a few dark shirts. i have a club of three and we call ourselves spiderlings (the real word for baby spider)
hey my names Alyssa,and i luv the gothic culture im just starting to get into it so its a bit tuff cuz . my familys religus and new me as this lil girly girl so i try to cover it up by calling my self punk or something but im starting to get out of my shell :)
It's kinda difficult...when I was 5, I was obssessed with 'gothy' stuff. Th music, the clothing, everything. I just think it's cool. Sure, SOCIETY may not think so, but I do. I didn't actually try being Goth till 13. I'm 14 now, still a baby bat. (It sucks.) I WAS depressed but I'm not anymore, even when my parents force me to 'conform' I'd always slip back into it slowly. In my area gothy stuff are hard to get holf of, so I use things I already have and do it that way.
I'm a baby bat...I'm 11 but I Have known since i was 6 that i really liked Goths, I just thought/think they are really cool.Sebastian, You are now one of my 3 idols!<3
I definitely agree with the last part of the video. Whenever a baby bat approaches me and asks what I like and I ask what they like and they say things that aren't tied with the subculture, I won't put them down, instead, I will educate them about it. I believe you shouldn't be mean to them as they are only starting out and it's nice to help them out a bit.
its funny how some adults will say "its just a phase, it will pass" when ur a tween baby bat lol then when u get into ur mid 20s they dont have shit to say
My baby bat years were 15-16. Back then my personality started shaping and I started to dress in a way that reflected my personality, but then my parents got really worried and my friends started to doubt that I was serious about the things I did. In the beginning nobody supported me, but then I had a talk with them all, telling them that my personality wasn't going to change because I was now starting to show who I am. They then accepted me. But I don't think you have to wear makeup.
I'm a babybat, definitely. I'm not ashamed to admit it, either, because I know this is who I am. I'm just starting out now as far as not being afraid to express myself and buying clothes I want. But I've been a babybat since...I don't know, really...but I know I'll probably be a babybat for a while. In my heart, though, I feel very experienced...
I started being a baby bat when I was 12-13, my parents kept telling me it was just a phase so I conformed. It's been a little over a year now that I started to wear colors and sort of "mainstream" clothing that my parents prefered. During this time I've felt sadder and really uncomfortable with how I look, I didn't feel like myself. Now I'm starting up as goth again and I feel better than ever :)
well i'm goth but at the same time i don't have any money of my own. so for now i dress the best i can in black. i don't mind colors but i don't really feel like my self while wearing them. so if we meet some day i hope that i have my own money and can buy my own goth wordrobe
I do love how you are so giving and passionate in your video's and that you don't edit them, you can easily get glued into the topic as if one was speaking to you one on one. i think your brilliant :D
I am totaly into what you said. It sounds as if you were living "my" live :) I know this sounds weird but maybe you got what I wanted to say. I think you're really inspiring! Thanks for that.
Well... Not "ALL" Goths go through baby bat years. What about the ones who were there when the scene was formed back in the 80s and so on? What about people who get their information correct from the start? Not having a go at you or anything I'm just saying that not everyone does though a lot of people do and it's probably from getting their information wrong by trying to discover the scene online from other ignorant people.
Ugh I am still incredibly embarrased about my baby bat years. I got the nickname "Emo Kid" at school, even from the teachers. The most embarrassing moment during my baby bat years are when I walked into a goth club in l.a. and got many blank stares. how embarrassing that was for me. I still cannot get over it. Can u please help me with that ?
I started at about 12 as well and the one thing I will always be grateful for is how quickly my family accepted me. I got no arguments, maybe a few questions, but I was able to be myself. When I hear the troubles other people went through during this time in their lives, it really helps me to appreciate how understanding my family was. I'm glad you've established yourself and your individuality and are able to express yourself freely now. :)
Around 11 too I'm 14 now so it's been a few years, my mom doesnt accept me she takes all my stuff away and hides it then gives it back like a month later, she tells me she's done with having the freak for a daughter and people won't like me, I'm glad that I have people like you who know what I've been through
wow. i started to me goth when i was 11 too. It all started when i saw Hot Topics for the first time. I know i'm a gothic girl because i'm a huge fan of Tim Burton.
How can one tell when they're out of the baby bat years? This question may sound stupid, but how can one know they're not dressing like a beginner(?). ?
Oh my gods.I "discovered" goth at the end of 7th grade..I put discovered in quotes because at the time, I had thought that goth was all about being "spooky", freaking people out, and buying everything at Hot Topic, and that the best goth bands were Evanescence, Slipknot, and Marilyn Manson -_- Yes; I was a horrible, terrible mallgoth >.< *cont. in next comment -_-*
Itwas hard to findtrue goth,as meandmy fellow-babybat friend(at the time...now she's kinda sceney, which works on her :])hadno goths around,living in thesmall town that wedo.Luckily,in9thgrade,Istopped trying so hard,and actually learned how to do makeup and coordinate outfits,discoveredREALgothic music,and I became MYSELF,not just some13yearold kid trying to be"oh-so-spooky".I still feel like a bit of a babybat sometimes,9th grade was only last year..but at least Im learning andImALMOSTthere^-^
I started off in 8th grade and I when I look back i really didn't understand myself at all really. Even now I still don't feel complete
I guess I'm still in the "baby bat" stage, which is alright with me. Even with the harsh criticism I get for dressing in all black by parents and people in general. I feel like dressing in black and stuff isn't a phase for me either~
I'm lucky my uhh, current "Baby bat" years arent that bad, it helps when your parents are only "scared" for 2 days, but then they relised that I'm still a good kid, and I was home schooled this year, which I dont like, so I'm going back to normal school! And I don't have all that randomn anger, and being afraid of conformists...
i so agree, i hated mine (took 3 years!!!) but they made me me. Mom asks when i'm going to stop playing pretend or living in fantasy land.. And my makeup skills have gotten way better over 9 years lol :) love your hair. :)
i hate my baby bat years, i never did fit in anywhere and i never liked the clothes i wore. Untill, unconciously, i started wearing black and i felt more comfortable and started getting more friends :) now im alittle more into the style and i get called "emo", "goth", or "punk" all the time i dont call myself "emo" or "goth" or whatever but whatever the hell i am, it was worth suffering my younger years. My parents never had a problem with it tho. If anything they like it :P
i first was into gothic n such when i was 13 or so. it all kinda started when my grandfather died. i was dark before but i think those years were the most important in developing what i am now. i never was a real goth tho. im 19 n i still kinda didnt found myself. i wear a lot of black n dress like some mix of a punk/metalhead/goth/scene kid xDD
My baby bat years were definitely when i was 13 and 14. I don't really consider myself a goth though, i don't even try looking a certain way but people still call me "goth". I'm just myself :)
I like your opinion on the baby bats in the goth culture. I think I am slowly getting out of my baby bat stage, and also tried to look "normal" for my family and friends, but I always felt uncomfortable and tired. For a while people called me emo because of the attitude I had toward everyone. People like you and KINGgutterface make me feel welcome and accepted into the goth community, thank you so much :)
Ah the babybat years. They were similar for me. Starting in 7th grade onward. It is a learning experience though. Learning who you truly are is frightening, wonderful but usually quite treacherous. Thank you for making this vid. Its hard for goths to talk of their babybat years :p your awsome.
i just got out of my baby-bat years though i am only 13. my mom accepts me for who i am, but people at school mistake me for emo...and sometimes "scene" 0.o
HannahIsHaunted 2 days ago
@sammybammyX Well you're the only emo who hasn't copied a Goth, I'm afraid.
xxDeadlyDECAYxx 5 days ago
Is there some stupid rule that if you're Goth, you're NOT supposed to wear skinny jeans? Because I'm kind of a Goth and I wear skinny jeans, not "tripp" pants. Also, while we're on the subject, I really hate emos for copying Goth...
xxDeadlyDECAYxx 1 week ago
@xxDeadlyDECAYxx emo's dont copy goths, im an emo and i dont copy goths!Emo's arn't obssessed with black, they dont wear all the types of clothes that goth's wear, and again, we don't copy goths. :L
sammybammyX 5 days ago
I could be full goth, I just need some major makeup tips. Plus, I'm nervous about showing up at school with lots of makeup on (even tho I want too) I also get called emo a lot, but I think I'm getting used to it..,
Btw, I like your makeup XD
SilentMassacre123 1 week ago
i had those baby bat years in elementary school (crazy way too young but my family was very supportive.) and it was a phase for me. i like the goth culture. i wore alot of trip & stuff too, i then went to the "scene" stage through middle school & part of high school. now almost a senior i dress i guess you would say boho/hipster/girly. i was raised in a non-conformist aspect and i still listen to really dark music but the baby bat years is something i wont forget
tokiogurl4eve 1 week ago
PLEASE READ THIS!(sorry for my bad English)So,I'm 14 ,and I LOVE goth style,and i listen to goth music,i dye my hair crazy colors.But the thing is that my parents won't let me change completely,i live in a small town where no one is goth.I have no support ,i just watch this videos and only than i see people who would understand me.Most of the time i'm wearing black ,and all of the kids in the school think that I'm weird.I have some friend but they don't get me really.PLEASE GIVE ME SOME ADVICE.
teyathevampire 2 weeks ago
I started my baby bat years in year 7 when I was 11 or 12, so basically same age as you. Then everyone started asking me if I was gonna start cutting myself and start wearing all black and that. Then I just sorted to stop because it wasn't working. A few years later I started to get in to 'the emo style'. I figured out that wasn't for me. But I've gone back to Goth and it feels so much better feels so much, because it feels like me.
xXPurplexNightmareXx 2 weeks ago
Getting older is a funny thing. It's so wierd seeing goths say ' I remember being called emo... ' When I was a kid, emo wasn't around yet, so when I thought I'd wear a dog collar to school, everybody was even more mean than normal and actually started to call me a Wierdo, Goth or Freak. Now I'm starting to freak as I was called an eldergoth by someone... I'm not sure how to feel about this :\
WillowNightingale 2 weeks ago
Im not alloud to buy vampire books, ghost books, or angel and demon books, cant wear black, cant paint my nails black, cant buy black cloths, see ghost movies, vampire movies, or anything of the nature :( i couldnt even see the Lady In Black -:(
msdaronmalakian13 2 weeks ago
baby...bat..years...
I never knew goths had all this..stuff..
GoAwayEmoCunt 2 weeks ago
i've been goth for 7 and a half years now even though people think its a phase for me though its not
auntkat52 3 weeks ago
my baby bat years started when i was 13 and a half and n ow im 20 and i've had people call me emo or aski if i was and it made me so mad and i kind of got a little sarcastic but im usually friendly and people would ask if i worshiped satan and did witch craft and i said no
auntkat52 3 weeks ago
Thanks, your vids help me alot,mostly because these are my "baby bat year" and your vids give me hope that things will get better.
luna71316 3 weeks ago
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msaliceinacidland 4 weeks ago
My babybat phase was really late--because of haters, my parents, pressure to fit in, etc. I was probably 17 when I started wearing darker clothes, and 18 when I was wearing those laughable Tripp pants like you described. I decided to actually research about what Goth really was and started listening to the actual music. I'm 24 and I don't necessarily dress like a typical goth anymore, just a black band T and black jeans and make up, if I'm adventurous that day I'll wear my dark lipstick.
toxicsynth 1 month ago
Haha, baby bat sounds like me
gaara406 1 month ago
your cameras possesd!!! O_O im bat man i had a fun baby bat year
rinor661 1 month ago
My mom tells me that if I look goth, I'm not, it makes me mad, I keep trying to tell her it's not just the clothing style, but it doesn't really work/:
AngieLovesGilang 1 month ago
I'm 14 and a baby bat , I'm still learning but I find it hard because of my parents , my mum will accept it but I'm scared that my dad won't. Also because I live in London where there aren't many goths , only about 2% are goths and my friends are excepting who I am. One of my friends is emo ,but I have no goth friends . My school only has 2 goth girls out of 1400 students , I live watching your video's so keep up the good work :D
NiranGs 1 month ago
i know for sure im a babybat. ive always beena fan of goth culter since i was a little kid and i just began really exprssi.g it last year. im ib eight grade now and im thy only babybat in my school. i reallly hate being called emo too -_- i l. am. not. emo.
zombiekilingzombies3 1 month ago
ugh...i HATE hot topic.... my babybat phase was brief because i refused to be made fun of and i wanted to be a true individual. i found everything at goodwill OR i made it myself. :D my motto for babybats is "KEEP IT SIMPLE"
HumanPet19 1 month ago
I say im a baby bat becuzz im a boy...stupid i know but i feel like when i wear my make up and nail polish im bring judged and basically unwanted. I dress in a button up black coat that im picked on about, my favorite invader zim hoodie and black shoes with not really tight jeans but ones that dont show my ass to the world. I would luv to be able to dress like a boy but still dress goth, i feel so uncomftorable in makeup (nailpolish i can handle) and so out right weird. Make a video for me :)
justicecarlone 1 month ago
I'll be 40 this year, and my god I did some dodgy things in terms of being a Goth around the ages of 14-16. I think we've all had our baby bat period at some stage.
ceke72 1 month ago
I'd consider myself a baby bat now. im 16 and have one goth friend. in middle school (where we met) she would try and give me makeovers and recomend videos to get this "look". I loved every aspect of it. but I think my mom kinda persuaded me to "keep colors" and stuff. i feel like i should be goth but i cant because of my parents. now i really dont kno what i am. I wear a combo of goth, emo, scene, nerdy, girly, hipster....i guess im trying to find myself. what do you guys think?
sara5pandas 1 month ago
@sara5pandas Don't label yourself and dress how the fuck you like.
xxmuffinz2xx 1 month ago
I went through a sort of baby bat stage. Then I realized that I didn't want a label on my style and decided to just wear whatever the hell I feel like wearing, whether it be goth, emo, scene, prep, hipster, or whatever. It feels good. Even though you accept the label, I give you mad props for just being who you want to be. I wish more people would do the same.
kittiekamikaze 1 month ago
i definitely would prefer being called emo than baby bat...
probably this young kids are more goth than the older ones, because they still follow the cliche.
RottingHumanScum 1 month ago
Damn tripp pants and Manson shirts.. my baby bat years. Lmao.
demonicazazel 1 month ago
I'm glad I stumbled upon your video. I'm not a goth, I'm more into vintage, classic clothes but it really bugs me that people throw insults at one another without getting to know each other. I can tell from your other videos that you're a nice person who just wants to be herself and I admire you for what you're doing. I have friends who are goths, metal fans,beauty consultants, etc.and we really get on well with each other. I hope you won't experience hatred ever again, you don't deserve it :)
clementines8 1 month ago
I used to not like goths like you...But now that I have come to admire you guys for your odd outlook, i feel bad for all the times I regard you guys with contempt. Thank God I know accept you guys.
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Yeah I understand I became a baby bat at 10 and I'm only 13 now so i just got out of the baby bat stage but in that process I was called emo and my good friend cleared it up for everyone that I was goth and not emo and now people know
TheFreakNamedCameron 2 months ago
everyone thinks I'm a punk and EVERYONE thinks i'm goth. i fucking hate it. -_-
katjoan1 2 months ago
I know plenty of goth's who love to wear colors other than black or white.
GeneticGizmo 2 months ago
When they said you shouldn't wear black, you should have gone White Goth >:D
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AspergirlSithstress 2 months ago
I am 20 and I have fully blossomed out of my baby bat years, it's taken me about 4 years, but I am proud to be who I am and where I am right now ^"^ <666
Sbrck5 2 months ago
thanks for posting this vido it helps me alot. but i am a baby bat and i think that i do makeup ok.
scoootskimskatesurf1 2 months ago
@scoootskimskatesurf1 Babybats who know they're babybats will grow up into big bats soon. :) Good for you, lovey.
opheliapostmortem 2 months ago
Lol my dad calls me a gothic pin cushion. (I have piercings)
Idk why but that makes me lmfao.
My dad was the same way, he didnt like it but over the years he just got used to it.
parasitezombiexx 2 months ago
I'm only in middle school, and I'm given death threats. I attempt to remain positive, but along with the fact that about 290 out of 320 people in my grade are terrible to me for stupid reasons, things can be oppressive. And plus, the 2 shows I would watch when I was little were courage the cowardly dog and invader zim...:)
abeautifuldeath0113 2 months ago
You are inspirational!
8109ABFA 2 months ago
Your hair looks so soft! I want to touch it! (sorry >w<)
Anyway, i'm a junior in highschool, and i think i may be slowly shifting to goth, i'm feeling more comfortable in dark clothing, and my tastes have been switching from liking 80's pop-ish style to a dark lolita/ victorian taste. Though i'm ridiculed in school enough as it is, so i'm not sure if that is what is keeping me away for it...
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@MistressOfTheDecay yeah i agree thats what i love about it, the elegance and appreciation for dark things, i am very happy as well to be apart of it. here i finally feel like myself. and i like the feeling. everything in the subculture is so amazing :)
95lucida 2 months ago
youre still a baby bat get phucked
MrBadbrains86 2 months ago
@MrBadbrains86 I kinda have to agree in a not so aggressive way, I do get a bit of a baby bat/mall goth kinda vibe...
SachaTearle 2 months ago
Also remember being called emo. I hated that. Thats my biggest pet peeve. When kids @ school asked me if I was emo I of coursed said no and would explained to them the whole difference between gothic & emo. My friends began worrying about me and thought that soon I'll be getting into satanisim and creepy rituals. Now people understand me more which is good and I'm happy with what I love. Hopefully my parents will one day understand my lifestyle I've chosen
95lucida 3 months ago 19
@95lucida Still going through that and I'm not even Goth. -_-
metaldorksforever666 1 day ago
I remember when I first started getting into rock music, each time I listened to rock for some reason I felt inspired to dress up in black corsets boots and black lipstick and that is exactly what I did. I discovered goth music and the whole culture. I wasant a baby bat for long. It prob. Took me less than a year to get over that. I was so amazed at the gothic subculture, it opened another world for me. For my parents it opened a new hell. They always thought it was a phase and they still do. I
95lucida 3 months ago
my baby bat year was..4th, when i became goth cause I thought if you were mad and depressed you were goth.
Now, 8 years later, I just got back into the goth scene, but I've done shit loads of research first, and a lot of my elder goths think I never went through the baby bat thing. I did, and looking back, i laugh at how I acted.
HatterMRULEZ 3 months ago
To continue what I was saying still because I feel so pretty when my lips are black and my makeups done up. I dont consider myself "full goth" because I love wearing colors and everything, but the makeup and lots of the things that they have are my favorite things to own/wear/etc. Also when you said you were called emo so was i, rumors were spread and id be pulled into the principals office for things people tabbed on me but never even talked to me about. I think support is what everyone needs.
RadioactiveSins 3 months ago
I remember 8th grade to Freshman year i was a babybat My friends were supportive but going into high school was the worst part with bullying everywhere, I would go to the movies and everyone would laugh and point or come up to me and ask me if I was going to the circus. My mom said she was embarressed to be seen with me and my dad who i bearly saw didnt like how i looked. I think thats why I stopped doing it because I only got posative feedback once or twice. I put on black lipstick sometimes
RadioactiveSins 3 months ago
clockwork orange poster in the background <3
MelissaSaurus95 3 months ago
To me Baby Bats just seem like immature less educated newbie Goths.
metaldorksforever666 3 months ago
My Baby Bat years were 11-12. Then, I became the Metalhead version of a Baby Bat 12-13. After that I began to mature. I started exploring Metal and other of my favorite genres. Ever since I have been a growing evolving Metal girl (at age 15 now).
metaldorksforever666 3 months ago
What I've heard from many Goths is that they don't like being reminded of thier own baby bat years. And baby bats to them is a physical reminder of that. Also technically until you reach adulthood baby bat is meant for you seeing as it was orginally meant to mean a young goth in terms of age instead of in terms of new to the subculture.
ImDiffrentSoWhat 3 months ago in playlist More videos from SebastianTheGirl
You look like a goth version of Miley Cyrus.
SuperPoophead100 3 months ago
I don't get it. What IS a goth anyway? No one ever has a straight answer. From what I can gather, it's just a bunch of people who wear black because somehow that makes them feel like "themselves". It almost sounds like a mental disorder. I'm no saying it is, but this lack of clarity doesn't help. What's so bad about color? Why do you only wear certain things or listen to certain stuff? It basically sounds like the inverse of people who only wear color because they dont like black for some reason
ClearAbyss 3 months ago
@ClearAbyss Goth is a subculture, being as it is you could go to any other subculture and get a lot of diffrent answers (like hippies for example) Being Goth unforently means something diffrent for everyone so it is hard to give a clear definition. Along with the subculture of goth there is also diffrent kinds of a goth to. I only have a limited amount of charaters to explain this to you but if you want a more detailed explanation I can note you if you want. I hope this cleared this up a little.
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Thank you so much! I feel you understand because during my baby bat years my parents thought it was a phase and now that am 16 they try to get me to stop but im fine and happy with who I am so I just try to get them to understand Goth culture more.
GothIsALifeStyle 3 months ago
i think im lucky i didnt have any baby bat years. i knew what goth was from the start. being a goth bringed up my confidence alot. than when i wasnt and was just a rocker girl. i discovered goth music and i loved all those old school bands from the start! i always loved the outstanding fashion of goths. love the lace, corsets, and combat boots!
MoonlitMidnightMay 3 months ago
I think the tension between babybats and goths goes both ways, not only "mature" goths are to blame for this unacceptance, babybats also hold some responsability.
when I was just starting, instead of believeing I knew better, or get angry with what the'd say.. I aproached an older person that had more experience (I mean music department) than me and said hey,.. teach me, i want to learn..
That caused a good reaction because they felt flattered and proud, babybats should this aproach...
0MissNemo0 3 months ago
im still in my baby bat yeas & so far, it sucks. but i know i have to get thru it one way or another
Kitti4real 3 months ago
@4evrpeace1 If you're trying to be goth, then you're not truly goth.
hftnhy2323 3 months ago
im 12 and a girl my parents are okay with me wearing black but the clothes i wear are like black jeans black tshirt black jumpers and dock martens
i want to dress more "goth" but i have no idea how they will take it
METALLOVEx 4 months ago
@METALLOVEx I say that you should go gradual, like work from the bottom up.
SignoraArcobaleno 3 months ago
@SignoraArcobaleno im trying but my parents are muslims they think haley williams from paramore is a devil worshiper cuz of her hair....-_-
METALLOVEx 3 months ago
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@METALLOVEx Then I suggest that you wait until you move out.
SignoraArcobaleno 3 months ago
Sebastian.. Another great video.. You Rock!!!! This 32 year old "Goth" who is also a Christian has subscribed to your channel. I love your videos, and I want you to know that you are awesome. No, I am not a stalker.. or any weird stuff.. Just wanted you to know that there are people who understand that are a good bit older. Much love
drkvamp 4 months ago
Im so glad my mom never had a problem with me being a goth the only one who did was my grandma one night she decided to humiliate me in front of my family she was hardcore christian she was talking about how she was gunna drag me to church and such everyone was laughing, until i said "priest and nuns always wear black are they going to hell too?" i never heard her critisize me again.This was during my baby bat years around 10 i am now 20 unfortunately my grandma died of cancer when i was 15.
LauraSky91 4 months ago 33
@LauraSky91 don't worry there's no hell. all bullshit came from uneducated people.
Franktheman149 4 months ago
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@Franktheman149 And I'd like you to prove to me that there is no Hell, then I'll believe you.
hftnhy2323 3 months ago
here in portugal it's very difficult to get people to understant why you're different because people don't accept the diference. I thought that I was the only one that passed through those years, because I was the only goth in my school. now I'm not the only one but they're all baby bats, the other gothic girl in school moved so I'm the only one again, but I'm very happy that those years passed :)
nenekha24 4 months ago
My baby bat years were very similar to yours, I was 13, (now I'm 17 soon 18) and those years to me were very bad because the people who I called friends stop talking to me and call me emo -.-' and I tried to were color shirts with black pants and some times the opposite, I had a pair of black vans they were like my favorite shoes, my first "gothic" shoes were a pair of STEEL boths (that I still have) I was so happy, but when I took them to shcool I was mocked so hard.
nenekha24 4 months ago
I guess I had one baby bat year but, it hasn't stuck. I'm not a goth (at least I don't think I am, at all) That was a hard year with bullying and generally sad, awkward and angry
rmch1996 4 months ago
I know thats weird but you look like Miley Cyrus...
xpiercingloverx 4 months ago
I have a question,if you don't mind. /WARNING..I am a baby bat and I have very stupid questions/ I am twelve years old,and I went to school,sorta looking boyish,yet still goth. If I start dressing sorta ''girly'' I suppose I should say,would it be considered a ''poser?''
mychonnygrl 4 months ago
@mychonnygrl it's not a dumb question. StG might give you a better answer than me (cuz i'm not goth)but "sorta girly" I'm thinking dresses and skirts and stuff, right? Nah, I don't consider that posing, I consider that a goth with style. There are really cute black dresses, skirts, blouses, and shoes that fit tons of female goths. Don't have to dress boyish to be a goth. It's all in the execution of makeup, accessories, and hair my mother says lol. Just need to work it, girl, work it. :)
hellgirlassassin 4 months ago
@mychonnygrl Being girly doesn't mean being opposite of Goth. I asked myself the same question a long time ago. Dressing girly will actually make you feel better. Well it did for myself. I love girly Goth clothes.
metaldorksforever666 3 months ago
Ahh, I remember my baby bat years... /sigh/
PoorDeadBat 4 months ago
my friend and i watched this video. we think we may be baby bats, we have thought we are somewhat goth for a while, but because we were told that. my brother was goth i guess, and he was a role model for me an to this day still is. i adore tim burton movies and i dont have much dark clothes, because their isnt anything like that i really fit into. i have some black acid washed jeans and a few dark shirts. i have a club of three and we call ourselves spiderlings (the real word for baby spider)
makeurofl 4 months ago
"baby bat" That's cute.
Pinkles666 4 months ago
hey my names Alyssa,and i luv the gothic culture im just starting to get into it so its a bit tuff cuz . my familys religus and new me as this lil girly girl so i try to cover it up by calling my self punk or something but im starting to get out of my shell :)
MISSALYSSADX3 4 months ago
It's kinda difficult...when I was 5, I was obssessed with 'gothy' stuff. Th music, the clothing, everything. I just think it's cool. Sure, SOCIETY may not think so, but I do. I didn't actually try being Goth till 13. I'm 14 now, still a baby bat. (It sucks.) I WAS depressed but I'm not anymore, even when my parents force me to 'conform' I'd always slip back into it slowly. In my area gothy stuff are hard to get holf of, so I use things I already have and do it that way.
Love your vids! =)
theamvgirlx 4 months ago
I'm a baby bat...I'm 11 but I Have known since i was 6 that i really liked Goths, I just thought/think they are really cool.Sebastian, You are now one of my 3 idols!<3
(Hope it doesnt sound weird!?)
sheshoutsInSilence 4 months ago
I definitely agree with the last part of the video. Whenever a baby bat approaches me and asks what I like and I ask what they like and they say things that aren't tied with the subculture, I won't put them down, instead, I will educate them about it. I believe you shouldn't be mean to them as they are only starting out and it's nice to help them out a bit.
Kaicoyote 4 months ago
its funny how some adults will say "its just a phase, it will pass" when ur a tween baby bat lol then when u get into ur mid 20s they dont have shit to say
ukiepantz 4 months ago
@ukiepantz Very true = )
Kaicoyote 4 months ago
My baby bat years were 15-16. Back then my personality started shaping and I started to dress in a way that reflected my personality, but then my parents got really worried and my friends started to doubt that I was serious about the things I did. In the beginning nobody supported me, but then I had a talk with them all, telling them that my personality wasn't going to change because I was now starting to show who I am. They then accepted me. But I don't think you have to wear makeup.
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vesperwysteria100 5 months ago
I'm a babybat, definitely. I'm not ashamed to admit it, either, because I know this is who I am. I'm just starting out now as far as not being afraid to express myself and buying clothes I want. But I've been a babybat since...I don't know, really...but I know I'll probably be a babybat for a while. In my heart, though, I feel very experienced...
I like this video. :)
Lenighma 5 months ago
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This really pertains to me.
I started being a baby bat when I was 12-13, my parents kept telling me it was just a phase so I conformed. It's been a little over a year now that I started to wear colors and sort of "mainstream" clothing that my parents prefered. During this time I've felt sadder and really uncomfortable with how I look, I didn't feel like myself. Now I'm starting up as goth again and I feel better than ever :)
JulieWolf123 5 months ago
well i'm goth but at the same time i don't have any money of my own. so for now i dress the best i can in black. i don't mind colors but i don't really feel like my self while wearing them. so if we meet some day i hope that i have my own money and can buy my own goth wordrobe
Bastet674 5 months ago
I do love how you are so giving and passionate in your video's and that you don't edit them, you can easily get glued into the topic as if one was speaking to you one on one. i think your brilliant :D
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pnkrk1039 5 months ago
I am totaly into what you said. It sounds as if you were living "my" live :) I know this sounds weird but maybe you got what I wanted to say. I think you're really inspiring! Thanks for that.
Killeraeffchen1 5 months ago
Well... Not "ALL" Goths go through baby bat years. What about the ones who were there when the scene was formed back in the 80s and so on? What about people who get their information correct from the start? Not having a go at you or anything I'm just saying that not everyone does though a lot of people do and it's probably from getting their information wrong by trying to discover the scene online from other ignorant people.
AliraGabrielle 5 months ago
Ugh I am still incredibly embarrased about my baby bat years. I got the nickname "Emo Kid" at school, even from the teachers. The most embarrassing moment during my baby bat years are when I walked into a goth club in l.a. and got many blank stares. how embarrassing that was for me. I still cannot get over it. Can u please help me with that ?
christmaspotatowedge 5 months ago
I started at about 12 as well and the one thing I will always be grateful for is how quickly my family accepted me. I got no arguments, maybe a few questions, but I was able to be myself. When I hear the troubles other people went through during this time in their lives, it really helps me to appreciate how understanding my family was. I'm glad you've established yourself and your individuality and are able to express yourself freely now. :)
TheNocturneMoon 5 months ago
I mostly listen to The Cure during the "kinder goth". So mostly I really started as a "batcaver". Ha
joey4245 5 months ago
@joey4245 We all have to start somewhere. = ) And personally, I like the Cure.
Kaicoyote 4 months ago
Omg, I just want to say.. you're fucking gorgeous and I love your style so much!
I would like to talk to you, please message me on here and it would be greatly appriciated :)
chelseasixxable 6 months ago
Around 11 too I'm 14 now so it's been a few years, my mom doesnt accept me she takes all my stuff away and hides it then gives it back like a month later, she tells me she's done with having the freak for a daughter and people won't like me, I'm glad that I have people like you who know what I've been through
HeyItsOreoo 6 months ago
wow. i started to me goth when i was 11 too. It all started when i saw Hot Topics for the first time. I know i'm a gothic girl because i'm a huge fan of Tim Burton.
xxadorkablegurlxx 6 months ago
My parents were almost just like that if not worse XP message me on facebook (Alley Neish)
InvaderAlley 6 months ago
Babybat? Well that is a new terminology. lol
AmarathAsura 6 months ago
How can one tell when they're out of the baby bat years? This question may sound stupid, but how can one know they're not dressing like a beginner(?). ?
Sunandmagicx 6 months ago
Oh my gods.I "discovered" goth at the end of 7th grade..I put discovered in quotes because at the time, I had thought that goth was all about being "spooky", freaking people out, and buying everything at Hot Topic, and that the best goth bands were Evanescence, Slipknot, and Marilyn Manson -_- Yes; I was a horrible, terrible mallgoth >.< *cont. in next comment -_-*
xxxdeadgirl587xxx 7 months ago
Itwas hard to findtrue goth,as meandmy fellow-babybat friend(at the time...now she's kinda sceney, which works on her :])hadno goths around,living in thesmall town that wedo.Luckily,in9thgrade,Istopped trying so hard,and actually learned how to do makeup and coordinate outfits,discoveredREALgothic music,and I became MYSELF,not just some13yearold kid trying to be"oh-so-spooky".I still feel like a bit of a babybat sometimes,9th grade was only last year..but at least Im learning andImALMOSTthere^-^
xxxdeadgirl587xxx 7 months ago
o: I took so much out of this.
I started off in 8th grade and I when I look back i really didn't understand myself at all really. Even now I still don't feel complete
I guess I'm still in the "baby bat" stage, which is alright with me. Even with the harsh criticism I get for dressing in all black by parents and people in general. I feel like dressing in black and stuff isn't a phase for me either~
xXCheruCheruXx 7 months ago
is baby bat a new term? I must not be down with the terminology cause I've never heard people being called that.
SexVampireBite 7 months ago
Ya know what is sad, some people never seem to grow out of those years :/
AviloriANo1 7 months ago 5
@AviloriANo1 It's like that for all things, whether you're a goth or not. If you're a baby bat and you become...more goth you grow INTO yourself
SebastianTheGirl 7 months ago 18
idk if im a babybat still but i think your pretty cool :)
frightsummers99 7 months ago
I ONLY get called, an "emo" or a poser when I have a bad day and I'm pissed...
Deadkyd 7 months ago
I'm lucky my uhh, current "Baby bat" years arent that bad, it helps when your parents are only "scared" for 2 days, but then they relised that I'm still a good kid, and I was home schooled this year, which I dont like, so I'm going back to normal school! And I don't have all that randomn anger, and being afraid of conformists...
Deadkyd 7 months ago
Exactly! Up the conformists! XD
Deadkyd 7 months ago
Why are you so pretty I can't concentrate. >.<
SinZndAsheZ 7 months ago
i so agree, i hated mine (took 3 years!!!) but they made me me. Mom asks when i'm going to stop playing pretend or living in fantasy land.. And my makeup skills have gotten way better over 9 years lol :) love your hair. :)
thesanepsycho19 7 months ago
i hate my baby bat years, i never did fit in anywhere and i never liked the clothes i wore. Untill, unconciously, i started wearing black and i felt more comfortable and started getting more friends :) now im alittle more into the style and i get called "emo", "goth", or "punk" all the time i dont call myself "emo" or "goth" or whatever but whatever the hell i am, it was worth suffering my younger years. My parents never had a problem with it tho. If anything they like it :P
<3
MonicaGotSkills101 7 months ago
I know this is kinda off the topic but I love your make-up ♥
mizzrammstein 7 months ago
You took a lot from KINGgutterface.
BastanteZombie 7 months ago
i first was into gothic n such when i was 13 or so. it all kinda started when my grandfather died. i was dark before but i think those years were the most important in developing what i am now. i never was a real goth tho. im 19 n i still kinda didnt found myself. i wear a lot of black n dress like some mix of a punk/metalhead/goth/scene kid xDD
sounds silly but i dont care, i like it lol :3
Night333Walker 8 months ago
My baby bat years were definitely when i was 13 and 14. I don't really consider myself a goth though, i don't even try looking a certain way but people still call me "goth". I'm just myself :)
RavenxPuddleford 8 months ago 25
@RavenxPuddleford I get that all the time and I am totally the same way when it comes to the labels and such.. :3
THEROGUE333 4 months ago
I like your opinion on the baby bats in the goth culture. I think I am slowly getting out of my baby bat stage, and also tried to look "normal" for my family and friends, but I always felt uncomfortable and tired. For a while people called me emo because of the attitude I had toward everyone. People like you and KINGgutterface make me feel welcome and accepted into the goth community, thank you so much :)
LaziexArtistxsan 8 months ago 2
I remember them...thay was a dark time for me lol. Some of the shit I wore was pretty horrifying lol good video bassy :)
oliveberry13 8 months ago
You look great ^^ I can relate to a lot of this video.
LoliComplicated 8 months ago 2
Ah the babybat years. They were similar for me. Starting in 7th grade onward. It is a learning experience though. Learning who you truly are is frightening, wonderful but usually quite treacherous. Thank you for making this vid. Its hard for goths to talk of their babybat years :p your awsome.
Saskue101 8 months ago