Since the retirement age will be extended to age 70, will they try to keep us alive that long, or will they just give us a pill for the pain as obama suggested?
@SuperCaliforniaGuy Just out of curiosity, do you spend time spreading little bits of disinformation and get paid for it? Or are you doing it on spec?
(Or, christies, do you really believe what you're saying? That would be sad.)
We now live in an Orwellian nightmare policed by peacekeeping missles. War is Peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.
Funny you say that, how about this one. Lets fact check one day of GOP talking points and compare it with Dems and the truth {which causes an allergic reaction to the GOP } will shine clear. Again lets do some FACT CHECKING and see where the real ignorance is at.
hey..big Joe didnt appear to have had his scotch/waters for breakfast yet,,,,he actually formed complete sentences and didnt make a total ass of himself.
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The House Bill was shoved full of pork and ultra liberal programs. It has a public option for gods sake. Obama is willing to force the American people to pay that pork for his own political gain. What a piece of work.
Yeah, let's just do nothing, which is what the GOP is best at. And FYI, you're going to pay either way --with higher insurance rates or higher taxes. Do you honestly think the insurance companies care about you? To them you're just a cash cow.
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There are a number of ways to bring down insurance prices, buying across state lines will probably be the most effective.
Politicizing medicine is going to drastically increase costs. Politicians will run on platforms of increasing coverage to buy votes. You want free perscriptions? Sure, why not. You want free sex-change operations? Sure, why not. You want free lasik? Sure, why not.
Politicians don't care about you. To them your just a way to stay in power.
"buying across state lines will probably be the most effective." Both bills already provide for that.
HR3590 (Senate bill likely to pass): Sec. 1333 Provisions Relating to Offering of Plans in More Than One State. Allows states to form compacts to sell across state lines.
HR3962 (House Bill) Section 1 Title III, creates a national insurance exchange accessible to anyone in the country. Allows buying of plans across state lines without violating state laws on standards.
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In this country the political party isn't supposed to do anything, the people make things work, not the govt. You don't like the price of something, don't buy it. That simple. Or go get a good job & medical ins will be part of your package. That's what normal non-socialist do, we go to work, not the social services office, you fuckin pick pocket. Now leave us alone about this shit!
That's it, just go and get one of those well paying jobs. A friend was laid off from one of those jobs over a year ago. She's 56 years old. Working two and three jobs at a time to make ends meet; Walmart, pet groomer and census. None of them give health insurance. Any other bright ideas?
How about the police? --why should my tax money go to protect you? Go get some private security. What the hell do I care if your house burns down. Get some private fire fighters. Your road has pot hole --what the fuck do I care. How about the military? Sounds like socialism to me. You don't understand the difference between socialism and infrastructure --they're not the same thing. Stop watching FOX News and think for yourself.
If you buy insurance and don't use it for a while, then your money goes to pay for someone else's health care, Einstein. All insurance companies do is manage a pool of our money. Either way --private or government -- the money comes from someone else --in taxes or monthly premiums.
Then don't buy it. Put that same money away in fruit jar if it serves you better that way. But the insurance co provides a service & requires to make a profit at it, just like any other co. The govt is the only outfit in the world that can always lose money & still stay in business. I don't want that in my hospital room with me.
And what if it's in the insurance company's best interest to decline your coverage or drop you? A for- profit-business cares about profit --not patients. Example, do you realize that if FedEx and UPS both failed, the post office would still be delivering the mail. No one is stopping private health care --but some people need a backup. One government plan and hundreds of private plans in the same health care market --sounds fair to me.
Yes, technically the house bill is dead...but the "fixes" that were apart of the house bill are what they will be passing through reconciliation. Currently it doesn't have the Public Option in it...but that doesn't mean that it couldn't be passed through reconciliation at a later date also.
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Name one time in history when a gov bureaucracy reduced price
In some states the insurance companies have monopolies of 80%. They have that because of barriers to entry that have been legislated. Buying across state lines will destroy their ability to price like a monopoly.
Reducing their ability to price MR=MC will lower costs immediately and increase innovative competition, forcing the industry's LRAC down
Please, watch some videos on basic economics. You'll understand why Obama's plan is bad
I honestly would believe, with all my heart, that Obama, with a Harvard law degree, and his team of professional economists, know what they are doing. And I love it when people like you hide behind the anonymity of a YouTube page and try to act like you know more than all of them combined. Things like this make my day.
BigPurple121's argument is that only people who don't understand 10th grade economics could possibly support Obama's plan. And therefore, all people like Joseph Stiglitz, Edmund Phelps, Paul Volcker, Larry Summers, Robert Rubin, and the other people on Obama's economic advisory council have to do is watch some youtube videos on cost curves, and they'll suddenly realize how wrong all of this is.
Thanks TrollBuster9000. You're actually presenting people with researched facts. Reality often escapes a YouTube debate, which usually seem like a bunch of people shouting into the echoes of a pitch black airplane hanger, unsure of who they're shouting at, and only making primal barks and growls without very much exchange of information.
@BigPurple121 2 weeks ago the House passed a bill which would eliminate the anti-trust exemption for health insurance corporations, and guess who voted AGAINST it: RON MOTHER-FUCKING PAUL.
Apparently, he thinks that insurance company monopolies are protected by the Constitution. Either that, or he's a despicable prick, though it's very possible that he's both.
You're wasting your time. You're just going to get a standard Libertarian response about how monopolies are the result of too much govt regulation and not too little, with state minimum standard regulations for health care plans being an example of regulations that lead to the monopolies.
Still, that was pretty funny. I didn't know Paul voted against it. Now let's see how fast the Senate can pigeon hole it, and burry it in committee until everybody forgets about it.
Since the retirement age will be extended to age 70, will they try to keep us alive that long, or will they just give us a pill for the pain as obama suggested?
000MrAnderson 1 year ago
Why didn't they televise the hearings as promised by Obama?
Goklayeh 1 year ago
The real costs are: (1) 10 years of taxes for 6 years of benefits.
(2) Cut $460 billion from Medicare.
(3) Rob $52 billion from SS.
(4) Rob $72 billion from long-term disability.
(5) Double count the above as bill cost offsets.
(6) Transfer $371 billion into another bill called Doc Fix.
Thus, the true cost is $2.3 trillion for first 10 years, not the democrats advertised $950 billion. This means ballooning the deficit.
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SuperCaliforniaGuy 1 year ago
CBO said thats not ture the cost off sets your bs
hoot101 1 year ago
@SuperCaliforniaGuy Just out of curiosity, do you spend time spreading little bits of disinformation and get paid for it? Or are you doing it on spec?
(Or, christies, do you really believe what you're saying? That would be sad.)
integral 1 year ago
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We now live in an Orwellian nightmare policed by peacekeeping missles. War is Peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.
dafttool 2 years ago
@dafttool oh stop whining
integral 1 year ago
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dafttool 2 years ago
I love Joe!
Boomer1949 2 years ago
You tell em' Joe
PersonalJesus348 2 years ago 3
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Democrat (n): One who celebrates ignorance.
BigPurple121 2 years ago
Funny you say that, how about this one. Lets fact check one day of GOP talking points and compare it with Dems and the truth {which causes an allergic reaction to the GOP } will shine clear. Again lets do some FACT CHECKING and see where the real ignorance is at.
hunterswine 2 years ago 6
hey..big Joe didnt appear to have had his scotch/waters for breakfast yet,,,,he actually formed complete sentences and didnt make a total ass of himself.
rocketman6464 2 years ago
It doesn't mean war... but it does mean looking for a new job after the November elections.
Dems have had more than enough votes to pass this bill for a year now... Pas the fkn bill already and STFU... tired of listening to you *sshats!
joshpnw 2 years ago 2
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The House Bill was shoved full of pork and ultra liberal programs. It has a public option for gods sake. Obama is willing to force the American people to pay that pork for his own political gain. What a piece of work.
BigPurple121 2 years ago
@BigPurple121
Yeah, let's just do nothing, which is what the GOP is best at. And FYI, you're going to pay either way --with higher insurance rates or higher taxes. Do you honestly think the insurance companies care about you? To them you're just a cash cow.
dudev 2 years ago 9
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There are a number of ways to bring down insurance prices, buying across state lines will probably be the most effective.
Politicizing medicine is going to drastically increase costs. Politicians will run on platforms of increasing coverage to buy votes. You want free perscriptions? Sure, why not. You want free sex-change operations? Sure, why not. You want free lasik? Sure, why not.
Politicians don't care about you. To them your just a way to stay in power.
BigPurple121 2 years ago
"buying across state lines will probably be the most effective." Both bills already provide for that.
HR3590 (Senate bill likely to pass): Sec. 1333 Provisions Relating to Offering of Plans in More Than One State. Allows states to form compacts to sell across state lines.
HR3962 (House Bill) Section 1 Title III, creates a national insurance exchange accessible to anyone in the country. Allows buying of plans across state lines without violating state laws on standards.
TrollBuster9090 2 years ago 6
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In this country the political party isn't supposed to do anything, the people make things work, not the govt. You don't like the price of something, don't buy it. That simple. Or go get a good job & medical ins will be part of your package. That's what normal non-socialist do, we go to work, not the social services office, you fuckin pick pocket. Now leave us alone about this shit!
MrHelldogger 2 years ago
That's it, just go and get one of those well paying jobs. A friend was laid off from one of those jobs over a year ago. She's 56 years old. Working two and three jobs at a time to make ends meet; Walmart, pet groomer and census. None of them give health insurance. Any other bright ideas?
LynnTTT 2 years ago 3
Yeah, go get a good job. Nobody owes you anything.
MrHelldogger 2 years ago
@MrHelldogger
How about the police? --why should my tax money go to protect you? Go get some private security. What the hell do I care if your house burns down. Get some private fire fighters. Your road has pot hole --what the fuck do I care. How about the military? Sounds like socialism to me. You don't understand the difference between socialism and infrastructure --they're not the same thing. Stop watching FOX News and think for yourself.
dudev 1 year ago
If you buy insurance and don't use it for a while, then your money goes to pay for someone else's health care, Einstein. All insurance companies do is manage a pool of our money. Either way --private or government -- the money comes from someone else --in taxes or monthly premiums.
dudev 2 years ago 2
Then don't buy it. Put that same money away in fruit jar if it serves you better that way. But the insurance co provides a service & requires to make a profit at it, just like any other co. The govt is the only outfit in the world that can always lose money & still stay in business. I don't want that in my hospital room with me.
MrHelldogger 2 years ago
@MrHelldogger
And what if it's in the insurance company's best interest to decline your coverage or drop you? A for- profit-business cares about profit --not patients. Example, do you realize that if FedEx and UPS both failed, the post office would still be delivering the mail. No one is stopping private health care --but some people need a backup. One government plan and hundreds of private plans in the same health care market --sounds fair to me.
dudev 1 year ago
@BigPurplr121 you understand that they are going going to vote on the house bill. The house bill is dead. how hard is that to work out.
thetruthaboutstuff 2 years ago
Yes, technically the house bill is dead...but the "fixes" that were apart of the house bill are what they will be passing through reconciliation. Currently it doesn't have the Public Option in it...but that doesn't mean that it couldn't be passed through reconciliation at a later date also.
classc63 2 years ago
the Public Option at this point is dead as well. It may come back later this year or more likely next year but at for now its dead.
thetruthaboutstuff 2 years ago
@thetruthaboutstuff
I can't understand anything you just said, please clarify.
BigPurple121 2 years ago
@BigPurple121
Nice GOP talking points....why don't you do yourself a favor and become MORE informed!!!!
classc63 2 years ago 4
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Name one time in history when a gov bureaucracy reduced price
In some states the insurance companies have monopolies of 80%. They have that because of barriers to entry that have been legislated. Buying across state lines will destroy their ability to price like a monopoly.
Reducing their ability to price MR=MC will lower costs immediately and increase innovative competition, forcing the industry's LRAC down
Please, watch some videos on basic economics. You'll understand why Obama's plan is bad
BigPurple121 2 years ago
I honestly would believe, with all my heart, that Obama, with a Harvard law degree, and his team of professional economists, know what they are doing. And I love it when people like you hide behind the anonymity of a YouTube page and try to act like you know more than all of them combined. Things like this make my day.
MrFolds24 2 years ago 8
BigPurple121's argument is that only people who don't understand 10th grade economics could possibly support Obama's plan. And therefore, all people like Joseph Stiglitz, Edmund Phelps, Paul Volcker, Larry Summers, Robert Rubin, and the other people on Obama's economic advisory council have to do is watch some youtube videos on cost curves, and they'll suddenly realize how wrong all of this is.
TrollBuster9090 2 years ago 3
@TrollBuster9090
Thanks TrollBuster9000. You're actually presenting people with researched facts. Reality often escapes a YouTube debate, which usually seem like a bunch of people shouting into the echoes of a pitch black airplane hanger, unsure of who they're shouting at, and only making primal barks and growls without very much exchange of information.
Thank you for your service.
Iconoclastocles 2 years ago 2
Thank you!
TrollBuster9090 2 years ago
@BigPurple121 2 weeks ago the House passed a bill which would eliminate the anti-trust exemption for health insurance corporations, and guess who voted AGAINST it: RON MOTHER-FUCKING PAUL.
Apparently, he thinks that insurance company monopolies are protected by the Constitution. Either that, or he's a despicable prick, though it's very possible that he's both.
PostSurgeOperative 2 years ago 6
Hahaha!
You're wasting your time. You're just going to get a standard Libertarian response about how monopolies are the result of too much govt regulation and not too little, with state minimum standard regulations for health care plans being an example of regulations that lead to the monopolies.
Still, that was pretty funny. I didn't know Paul voted against it. Now let's see how fast the Senate can pigeon hole it, and burry it in committee until everybody forgets about it.
TrollBuster9090 2 years ago