The phrase "under God" is a recognition of God-given rights; the Founders believed that we had fundamental rights that were derived from a higher power or nature. Each American possesses these fundamental rights regardless of whether they came from God or nature. If these rights did not come from God/nature, then they would be produced by government, which could just as easily take away those rights. I'm fairly sure her mother didn't tell her that
That's not even the most constitutionally controversial part of the Pledge.
You will find NOTHING in the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, or even the old Articles of Confederation that describes the USA as "one nation."
It's the United States not the United State of America. ("states" being 18th century speak for "nations")
If you want to know what the US is supposed to look like, as defined by the Constitution, look at the European Union--united in commerce & defense--NOTHING more.
I am not a religious person at all, but I do understand the importance of saying that our rights come from God. If we say that our right come from people, then people can take those rights away. Nazis, Communists, Socialists want God taken out of the equation because they want people to determine what the rights of people are. If we concede that God gives us the right to make our own choices, then fundamental rights cannot be argued away.
@dgg1994 When you say "pray" do you mean to the gawd of the bible??? if so the I must say it's quite ironic for you to be speaking about brainwashing. Your ancestors are probably rolling around in their graves after hearing that B.S.
@dgg1994 LOL Are you really that ignorant & naive to say that they're being brainwashed?? Wow you theists are so full of hypocritical bullshit I'm surprised your and your god aren't choking on it while you heads up your ass.
And shoving a bible down a child's throat and telling them they'll go to hell if they don't believe in the boogie man in the sky ISN'T brainwashing? You're an idiot...people like you shouldn't be allowed to procreate.
Also, a societal system, and it does reject religion because it leads you from the real path (sharing and being nice to everyone), but it probably has more to do with how the religious turned to the Republican party en masse in the 20th century and decided that in order to beat the communists we needed more god in society (PROTIP: It collapsed by itself, so now we have to deal with this religious shit in .gov without any positives).
the only reason why you atheists even bother arguing and stirring up shit is because this is all you have in this life. once you die, you'll be gone. so continue to piss off whoever, because reading these butthurt youtube comments really gives me something to do when i'm on break.
@GreenDayGal7 Grow up. I don't like halloween as a holiday but I'm not crying about it. For your information this nation was founded on Christian values. No "One Nation Under God" does not infringe upon someone's rights. If you dont like saying it then dont say it but dont take away other peoples rights to say it. "UNDER GOD" should be left in the pledge because it is not hurting anyone. Why dont you move to a communist country since you hate God so much.
@1954phyllis Isn't that hypocritical of you to tell her to grow up? Seeing as you're being immature and insulting her in the latter half of your response. I do agree that they don't need to say it. And I think, like it must be in many schools by now, that it isn't mandatory to pledge to the flag. Also, where in any of her comment did she say she hated God?
@iSpurtz Anyone that is offended by "Under God " being in the pledge should grow up. What about all those people that choose for "Under God" being in the pledge.It is quite obvious that there are alot of God haters here in America and she is one of them.
@1954phyllis National pledges & national mottos should be inclusive to all American tax paying citizens. Unless all American's believe in God, our National Motto, "In God We Trust" is not an accurate statement. The original national motto was better. Or change it to "Freedom and justice for all" America is unique not because of Christianity, but the idea of a freedom & equality. Christianity has been around a long time and we are not a theocracy.
@1954phyllis If, 'under god,' isn't hurting anyone then it won't hurt anyone for it to be taken out. If it's such an unimportant couple of words lets just get rid of it. You have a right to worship who you chose but you can't tell others who to worship. Taking those words out of the pledge doesn't take away your right to worship god. It simply acknowledges that not everyone in this country does. How would you feel about laws based on the Qur'an?
atheist are just like christians pushing their beliefs down peoples throat hey if you dont like it dont say it and no one care what you think im not christian nor atheist i am me
I pledge alligence to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
@alcram I don't guess you know that I have some Indian blood in me and I am an American because I was born here and have lived in America all my life. So you have no right to tell me to leave a country that I happen to love.
@1954phyllis I don't need no given right to say or do. You don't respect the people that were here for 10,000 yrs before the whites brought slavery, plague and injustice to this land. You should be ashamed of yourself for believing in two tongue gods that came from the other side of the world. The bible that you read talks clearly about your god taking the woman from another man and then being a deadbeat dad and letting his son die in vain. What kind of a lesson is that?
@alcram The Indians have not been here for 10,000 yrs because the earth is only 6,000 yrs old. When you speak of the white man you are attacking my race. What about all the white men, women, children that the Indians killed? Yes, I am proud to say that my God is the only true God. You are crazy when you say that God took a woman from another man and He is far from being a deadbeat dad. He did not let His Son die in vain. Where in the world did you come up with such nonsense?
@1954phyllis With that what you said I can truly say you are full of shit! Your pride? You are the one that doesn't make any sense. Since when your god wants you to be proud? You are a retard that hasn't even read the bible where it's says you have to be humble. I don't have no retard rules to break like you do hypocrite. Your god had a son with another man's wife out of wedlock it is in your bible. Go and deny that. About the earth age go and read and quit being the ignorant that you are.
@alcram Let me tell you something mister, just because you are a very evil person does not give you the right to tell me that I am a retard. Why would God be offended at me when I am on His side. I happen to read the Bible and I know that you are a blasphemer and are the child of the devil. No my God did not have sex with another man's wife. The earth is only 6,000 years old.
@1954phyllis Go fuck yourself! Your god does not exist and you are a lier. By the way where in the bible says that god has balls? You can't answer. I don't need a right or wrong to call you a retard I just do. Evil you christians have murder whole races. Talking about evil. Who have I kill or tortured or prohibited from speaking their mind?
@alcram Oh yes my God definitely does exist. No I'm not a liar. Dont you know anything bucko, well since Jesus is God the Son He had a human body while He was here on earth. It seems to me that you are the one that is retarded because only an idiot would blaspheme the one that could take your very breath away from you in the blink of an eye. I beg your pardon, but true Christians have not killed entire races. It is evil men that have killed other races.
@1954phyllis The holy crusades caused millions of deaths, not including the men that where working for god at the time. Sure you may not have made any race extinct, but that doesn't exclude the whole 'evil' aspect either. . .
@1954phyllis You're kidding me, right? 6,000 yrs. old...really? You actually literally think that Earth is 6,000 yrs. old? So...let me guess...scientists just made up those dinosaur bones? Do you also think the Earth is flat? Do you believe that the sun revolves around the Earth? Do you think that bats are birds? That people should own slaves? That people should be stoned to death for working on Sunday or getting remarried after a divorce? Blind ignorance can be really funny sometimes!
@MyGrammarRules Since when do you think that you are an expert of when the earth was created? Yes I do believe that the earth is only 6,000 yrs old. Has it ever entered that brain of yours that the dinosaurs were on the earth right along side of mankind before the flood? No I absolutely don't think that the earth is flat, No I don't believe that bats are birds. I don't believe that people should have slaves. What is it to you what I believe bucko?
@1954phyllis It's perfectly okay to believe whatever you want, but you should know that people are going to laugh at you for it when it's completely absurd. Try a quick google search, and you will find that practically every scientist on the planet agrees that the Earth is billions of years old. Believing what the Bible says causes you to think otherwise, and it says all that other stuff too. So, just out of curiosity, how do you decide which parts to believe and which parts not to believe?
@MyGrammarRules Actually the believe that the earth is billions of years old is absurb. How come it is so difficult for so called intelligent people to believe that a creator created all things. I happen to believe all the Bible since it is the Word of God. I for one have no problem believing the Genesis account of creation, but on the other hand I have an extreme problem believing that rubbish evolution. Frankly, I don't have enough faith to believe that doctrine of devils.
@1954phyllis Just to get this straight, because the Bible says the Earth is 6,000 yrs. old, you believe it, yet you don't believe that people should be slaves, or that bats are birds, even though the Bible says that, too. Again I ask you, how do you decide which parts to believe and which parts not to believe?
@MyGrammarRules For the record as a born again Christian I can say that I believe the Bible from cover to cover. Yes I believe that the earth is 6,000 years old. If bats are not birds then what are they? No where in the Bible does God say that it is alright for people to be slaves. Why do you think that He helped the Israelis escape their bondage of slavery in Egypt? I believe the Bible what is that to you?
@1954phyllis Leviticus 25:44-46 It talks about how you should buy slaves from your neighboring countries. Exodus 21:20-21 That one says it's okay to beat your slaves so long as they get up after a few days. Bats are mammals. If your faith doesn't hurt others, knock yourself out. Many interpret the Bible as metaphorical and allegorical, but to believe it so literally is to be happy with ignorance. You can't just ignore its' proven discrepancies, hypocrisies, and blatant inaccuracies. Just think!
@1954phyllis The reason we're saying that you believe the earth is flat and that you believe in a geocentric model is because you are complete ignorant, belief-holding, close-minded fool. You are the ones who cannot change, who reject science, and the same people who killed Galileo.
@alcram Since the earth in only 6,000 years old there were no people here 10,000 years ago. There is only one true God and He is not two tongued. You dont know what you are talking about, since my God is not human He didn't take a woman from another man and He sure isnt a dead beat dad. Jesus didnt die in vain. Jesus is the creator of all creation.l realize that you hate God. well that is yuour problem.
@alcram I happen to be an American citizen therefore America is my home. Who are you to tell me to go back to where I came from. I was born here so I'm as much an American citizen as you are.
PART 5: For those who would argue that popular opinion should be the ultimate determining factor, let us remember that at one time popular opinion held that slavery was proper, that women shouldn’t have the right to vote, etc, etc.
Further, can you imagine that if alterations are allowed to continue at the current pace of approximately one every 30 years, that in 300 short years the POA will be barely recognizable from the original.
PART 4: Personally, I cannot fathom why anyone ever thought immigrants who by and large had gone or were in the process of going through hell to become a citizen would need THAT reminder.
A year later the word “America” was added. This is commonly called redundancy.
Then of course in 1954, “under god” was added. Again, not a necessity. A National Historical Document such as the POA shouldn’t have had a single revision.
PART 3: On the other hand, the “stars” portion is likely to change with possible additions or even subtractions of states. Currently, of course, at 50 stars representing the 50 states.
Now, back to the POA. When we check the revisions and the reasons given for the changes, NONE seem to hold necessary merit. In 1923, the change was from “my flag” TO “the flag of the United States”… Why the change? It was done for the “new immigrants”.
PART 2: For comparison, let’s first look at the US flag. Part of the flag should now be set, never needing further changes BUT the other part will in all likelihood change many times over the future course of history. What exactly am I talking about?
Well, as for the stable portion, we need only to recall that the 13 stripes represent the original 13 colonies. Since there will never be any further additions to the original list, there should be no reason to change the red and white stripes.
Historical Artifacts, Documents and Treasures Part 1
The Pledge of Allegiance seems to me to fall into the Historical ADT
Category above any others. More specifically it is a National Historical Document.With that in mind, revisions and/or alterations should ONLY be made when there is no other choice OR when it essentially becomes a absolute necessity.
So in looking at the original POA, and the FOUR REVISIONS it has undergone, one must seriously ask if changes were ever a necessity.
@1954phyllis direction is relative. so if god is up to you then across the earth he is down. and is you say that god is everywhere in some way then how can you justify him being in one direction?
@1954phyllis the right idea being that this nation is not under god because god has not been shown to exist. and not only that but Do you think god picks and chooses the countries he likes best?
@FevoIsGod Any person with any common sense would know that there is a God. Just because God cant be seen doesnt prove any thing at all. Israel is His chosen people.
@1954phyllis oh its common sense that tells us there is a god. i would love to hear the line of logic in support of that. I bet you cant come up with a logical, valid and sound, common sense bases for validating belief in any god, much less a particular god and even lesser validation for a particular denomination.
@FevoIsGod Well think about it duh! all creation is proof of a creator. There is only one God and He created all of creation. Only a lame brain or someone with a major heart problem doesnt believer that there is a God.
@1954phyllis you're joking! i was suckered by s troll! no one is so stupid as to infer such a conclusion from vague premises like that! Remember i said "Logical, valid and sound". that bit of incognizant banter is merely an invalid inference much less "common sense".
This nation is not "under god". That is absurd! Let's base our nation on a fairytale and see how it turns out! You want to ask all the other great nations of the world what happened when they did that? Let go to the middle ages, Rome, you name it. Founding a nation with a supernatural entity is fine, but when government recognizes that bullshit story as valid, then there is a problem.
@alphaqupbad No because in today's society the word God doesn't mean much anymore as you can see in this video and just look at this country falling apart.
@alphaqupbad No because in today's society the word God doesn't mean much anymore as you can see in this video and just look at this country falling apart.
@alphaqupbad No because in today's society the word God doesn't mean much anymore as you can see in this video and just look at this country falling apart.
@alphaqupbad No because in today's society the word God doesn't mean much anymore as you can see in this video and just look at this country falling apart.
Atheism has been ruled a religion by the U.S. judicial system. I wont get into the tedious details, but the gist of it is that it's a belief system regarding the origins of life and the universe, which certainly qualifies as a world-view, which is practically synonymous with religion. The decision means atheism may no longer be sneaked into the classroom via semantic word play of the U.S. Constitution.
What a lot of shit, atheism is quiet simple. Theism is the beleif there is a god, a-theism is the lack of beleif in gods or god. How the hell do you derive a world view from that? Furthermore I demand to see your evidence and the court case where atheism was ruled a religion, unless, of course, your just spouting bull.
Ah goody, I've read over the two case files now that were quoted as this websites sources (Kaufman v. McCaughtry and Peloza v. Capistrano) In PvC the court ruled that P was required to teach evolution in his biology classroom, and was not allowed to talk about his religion to his students. Thats right, court ordered. In KvC atheism was awarded the same rights as a religious group in prision. Rights. This does not mean atheism is a religion just that it has the same protection. Ta-da. :)
You should have them remove the "indivisible" part as well, since that stunt you put them up to was clearly designed to raise a stink and pit people against each other.
@eukodol exactly. If you search around the web, you start to notice that it is organized. Search youtube for christian video's and tons of atheist ones come up. Do a search for declaration of independence and the top searches are atheist web sites either discrediting,whining or trying to destroy the document in other ways.
A group that big and organized with a belief system at its base of non belief is a religion which while protected by the 1st amendment can have no special laws respecting it.
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who is nobody? how did America come under him/her? Thought it was under God? they must be illegal immigrants? They don't know they can't force their version of a diety on others.. Nobody must be the name of a specific diety? Or a nondiety? Will it take another cival war in America to stop this facism? God encompasses all religions, the constitutional way. The God "Nobody" implies a certain religion which the constitution forbids.
You know what.....with you I give you... you can't have a battle of wits with an unarmed man....no more comments, have the last word, you probably will.
Yes, they are. This is why religious people like to force them to participate in supernatural ceremonies and fill their heads with nonsense like "the Earth is 6,000 years old".
AgeOfGrace1 is wrong! Separation of church and state was introduced by Thomas Paine during the American Revolution. Thomas Paine said, Paine went on to give his opinion of religion:
"I believe in the equality of man ... All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." The word god is NOT in the constution of the USA. It was left out on purpose.
The word creator is in the "Declaration of Independence", not in the "United States Constitution." The constitution is a more important document. It is a governing document. The declaration was written only to state, why the United States was seperating itself from England. It is not legally governing document.
ok, yea well. the word religon is clearly in the amendments, and restricting my right to worship is expressly forbidden. I don't have to worship nobody if I don't want.
If I go to a dance and don't like the dance being danced, I can't go change it if the rest of the people like it. I just don't participate.
I don't force them to dance the nobody dance.
it also states that your religion cannot have more respect than others.
Typical "believer." Creating an atmosphere where every citizen's views, instead of just some, is respected is somehow restricting your freedom. Yeah, your freedom to force your religion down everyone else's throat. THAT is what's fascist, my friend. This is not a question of a dance...very poor analogy. The amendment says there shall be no establishment of religion, and for people to be forced to acknowledge a god is clearly establishing a religion. Religious neutrality is all we ask.
when you ask for God to be removed you are not asking for "nuetrality" You are asking for the respectable establishment of your religion, which is nobody or no one, or chemistry, or darwin or whoever it is you worship these days.
Leaving it off would be a better choice, but saying under nobody is establishing a religion which is expressly prohibited under the 1st amendment.
Saying under God encompasses all religions so does not respect or establish any single one.
Athieism worships nobody, or chemistry, or science, or I am not sure what, chance maybe? If it isn't worship to these things, then what is the point of denying God exsists. If you are not trying to push your nongod on others then why aren't you just silent and leave it be?
I know why, It is because it is a religion. In America your belief does not carry more weight than mine.
under god means any god you want it to. I feel bad for the souless, but it shouldn't get special treatment.
The phrase should be "under gods" if your assertion is correct.
OR it shouldn't even be included since if by your belief everyone has a god of some sort then including this is only stating a commonality and nothing all too important.
btw, that don;t make much sense, Do bald headed guys organize and attack people with certain hair colors?
Athiests worship science or logic, or chemistry or whatever they call their handicap these days. They are a religion because they do organize and attack other religions. what do you call it then? nonreligious group? what does that mean? it means a religious group that won't admit it.
Funny, you know bhuddhist are atheists right? I'm sure they're toatally down with the whole science thing. And you want to know why (some) atheists fight religion? Its because of jumped up little pricks like you, who try and curtail the rights of others and force your theocracy down our throats. Thats why theres so many angry atheists out there, cause we're force to listen to religious people screaming gays have to die and flying planes into buildings. Its quite simple disgusting.
@amarthishness Not necessarily true. Theravadan buddhists are non-theists, but Mahayana (most east and south-east Asian buddhism) and especially Vajrayana (Tibetan buddhism) are normally theistic doctrines and many of their forms allow for demons and gods.
Ah well, I must admit I am no expert on buddhists, however I was merly using the example to show that you cannot merly catagorise all atheists into one group. Many of them dont embrace sceptcism. Many of them disagree with multiple feilds of scince. Perhaps a better example would be scientologists who believe psycologists are evil. They are in essence secular as they have no central god docterine however it would be a strech to describe any of them as rationlists or sceptics.
"Under God" was not always in the pledge. So when they tossed it in there in 1954 at the behest of The Knights of Columbus (a catholic organization) and ultimately a SERMON was the final nudge for it's inclusion.
Was that not asking for the respectable establishment of their religion?
Probably no. Cause' your a biased loon and you will work some rationale around this fact to insist that "God" still means any god.
then we agree, under nobody is wrong and these kids should just leave it out, or say it the way it is written.
god God, gods, anyone of them would be better than under nobod since that is how it is written. (whenever it was, I don't care about the date either) Say it the way it was meant or be silent how about?
@ipimees I don't remember saying they weren't added later? when? well in the 50's btw, if you need me to tell you.
Really don't have any bearing on the fact that they are saying under nobody, and their kids, and it's their parents that taught them that.
Actually, America is under God too. We have seperation of church and state so that one persons idea of God doesn't take precident over another. This means one persons idea of no god also can't take precident.
I personally do not pledge my allegiance to ANY flag, but why not just say "One nation, indivisible; with liberty and justice for all"? If the point is to be inclusive, then why offend a lot of people by adding the "under nobody" part. Isn't that just discrimination in reverse?
It's a response. There have been many different versions of responses given, and this is one.
Not saying "under God" will always offend some theists, there's no avoiding that. We must be brave enough to offend those who would force their religion on us.
It's not our fault and mostly not theirs either - they were conditioned over their whole life to think that "under God" has to be there. We cannot please everyone all the time, and shouldn't try. But we MUST respond.
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For those that don't know. RIGHTS COME FROM GOD. i.e. "Where rights are involved there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them." Miranda v. Arizona
Why would the U.S. Supreme Crt say this? There is a higher power recognized in the U.S. & the government can't write law that over rules the higher power. W/O GOD you have no rights; Only corporate privileges. U.S. has been a corp. since 1789. Want to know more? Message me at my channel. Religion & God; not the same thing.
yeah but it's bollocks since your higher power probably doesnt exist. So even if what you're saying was true then it'd still be irrelivant since their's no god
As an atheist, the addition of "under god" always offended me, but even more so, as a promoter of freedom of the self, I find the fact that kids are forced to speak the pledge AT ALL to be deplorable even without the "under god" part. Patriotism is hollow when it becomes mandatory. School systems in the US that require reciting the pledge (not all do) should be ashamed of themselves for attempting to promote the totalitarian concept of mandatory patriotism.
@dunbar9finger i simply refuse to say the pledge in school, and besides, didnt hitler make children do this type of thing in school (im not saying that we r in that position....but still)
The teacher's expression makes it obvious she heard the "under nobody" and decided to completely ignore the kids' version to avoid controversy in the proceedings, and just continue as though nothing different was said. Funny stuff!
Great kudos to the kids!
It's wonderful at least some of our youth today are learning that the addition of the 'God' phrase in 1954 is unconstitutional and divisive in our pluralistic society. It makes the Pledge a self-contradiction by dividing the "indivisible".
The phrase "under God" is a recognition of God-given rights; the Founders believed that we had fundamental rights that were derived from a higher power or nature. Each American possesses these fundamental rights regardless of whether they came from God or nature. If these rights did not come from God/nature, then they would be produced by government, which could just as easily take away those rights. I'm fairly sure her mother didn't tell her that
defenderofdixie 1 month ago
That's not even the most constitutionally controversial part of the Pledge.
You will find NOTHING in the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, or even the old Articles of Confederation that describes the USA as "one nation."
It's the United States not the United State of America. ("states" being 18th century speak for "nations")
If you want to know what the US is supposed to look like, as defined by the Constitution, look at the European Union--united in commerce & defense--NOTHING more.
MrPloppy1 3 months ago
"...under nobody..." That was disgusting.
RepentAmerica454 3 months ago
i signed up for youtube just so i could dislike this video. disgusting,
tarbear856 4 months ago
i pledge allegiance to the flag of the tyrant government that forces me to obey its commands, lest i be imprisoned or shot...mkay?
longfootbuddy 7 months ago 3
one nation, indivisible
debaser71 7 months ago 3
I am not a religious person at all, but I do understand the importance of saying that our rights come from God. If we say that our right come from people, then people can take those rights away. Nazis, Communists, Socialists want God taken out of the equation because they want people to determine what the rights of people are. If we concede that God gives us the right to make our own choices, then fundamental rights cannot be argued away.
fahs 7 months ago
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@fahs There's exactly as much real, empirical evidence of a god as there is of a Bigfoot, a Loch Ness Monster, and leprechauns. None.
ndrthrdr1 6 months ago
I pray for these children...being brainwashed at such a young age...
dgg1994 9 months ago
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ChowMeinChowdown 8 months ago
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@dgg1994 Yeah how sad, when will kids stop getting indoctrinated? We clearly are one nation under spam.
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ChowMeinChowdown 8 months ago
@dgg1994 When you say "pray" do you mean to the gawd of the bible??? if so the I must say it's quite ironic for you to be speaking about brainwashing. Your ancestors are probably rolling around in their graves after hearing that B.S.
PaganBorn79 8 months ago 2
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I pray to my own damn god, not to some other "God" that people "pray" to to feel better about themselves and try to buy a ticket into heaven.
dgg1994 7 months ago
@dgg1994 LOL Are you really that ignorant & naive to say that they're being brainwashed?? Wow you theists are so full of hypocritical bullshit I'm surprised your and your god aren't choking on it while you heads up your ass.
jgroves56 5 months ago
@dgg1994 Hahaha. You're hilarious.
And shoving a bible down a child's throat and telling them they'll go to hell if they don't believe in the boogie man in the sky ISN'T brainwashing? You're an idiot...people like you shouldn't be allowed to procreate.
PurpleDragonAsks 2 months ago
@GreenDayGal7
Also, a societal system, and it does reject religion because it leads you from the real path (sharing and being nice to everyone), but it probably has more to do with how the religious turned to the Republican party en masse in the 20th century and decided that in order to beat the communists we needed more god in society (PROTIP: It collapsed by itself, so now we have to deal with this religious shit in .gov without any positives).
Anderasio 9 months ago
the only reason why you atheists even bother arguing and stirring up shit is because this is all you have in this life. once you die, you'll be gone. so continue to piss off whoever, because reading these butthurt youtube comments really gives me something to do when i'm on break.
brazilianEYEreportU 9 months ago
@brazilianEYEreportU fuck you too
debaser71 7 months ago
@GreenDayGal7 Grow up. I don't like halloween as a holiday but I'm not crying about it. For your information this nation was founded on Christian values. No "One Nation Under God" does not infringe upon someone's rights. If you dont like saying it then dont say it but dont take away other peoples rights to say it. "UNDER GOD" should be left in the pledge because it is not hurting anyone. Why dont you move to a communist country since you hate God so much.
1954phyllis 11 months ago
@1954phyllis Isn't that hypocritical of you to tell her to grow up? Seeing as you're being immature and insulting her in the latter half of your response. I do agree that they don't need to say it. And I think, like it must be in many schools by now, that it isn't mandatory to pledge to the flag. Also, where in any of her comment did she say she hated God?
iSpurtz 11 months ago
@iSpurtz Anyone that is offended by "Under God " being in the pledge should grow up. What about all those people that choose for "Under God" being in the pledge.It is quite obvious that there are alot of God haters here in America and she is one of them.
1954phyllis 11 months ago
@1954phyllis ................................
iSpurtz 11 months ago
@1954phyllis National pledges & national mottos should be inclusive to all American tax paying citizens. Unless all American's believe in God, our National Motto, "In God We Trust" is not an accurate statement. The original national motto was better. Or change it to "Freedom and justice for all" America is unique not because of Christianity, but the idea of a freedom & equality. Christianity has been around a long time and we are not a theocracy.
Fishqueen1972 10 months ago
@1954phyllis If, 'under god,' isn't hurting anyone then it won't hurt anyone for it to be taken out. If it's such an unimportant couple of words lets just get rid of it. You have a right to worship who you chose but you can't tell others who to worship. Taking those words out of the pledge doesn't take away your right to worship god. It simply acknowledges that not everyone in this country does. How would you feel about laws based on the Qur'an?
spaceylacey83 10 months ago
FUCK THE PLEDGE!!!!!!
atctnt 1 year ago
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atheist are just like christians pushing their beliefs down peoples throat hey if you dont like it dont say it and no one care what you think im not christian nor atheist i am me
dstncowles 1 year ago
LMAO! The look of shock on that lady's face when they said "one Nation, under nobody" was priceless!
larlar210 1 year ago
Kudos! I've taught my children to recite the pledge replacing "under god" with the words "under Canada." The teacher's face there was priceless!
MyGrammarRules 1 year ago
One Nation under "No Body" did we change the words? Am I the only one that caught this..Is this the Pledge their teaching in our Schools now a days..
greatgreatgrandma 1 year ago
@greatgreatgrandma no i think her mom told her to say it like that read the description bar
NinaAwesomez 1 year ago
Totally brain washed! Give the land back to the Native Americans!
alcram 1 year ago
I pledge alligence to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
1954phyllis 1 year ago
@1954phyllis go back to where you came from and give the land back to the Native Americans or be cursed for eternity
alcram 1 year ago
@alcram I don't guess you know that I have some Indian blood in me and I am an American because I was born here and have lived in America all my life. So you have no right to tell me to leave a country that I happen to love.
1954phyllis 1 year ago
@1954phyllis I don't need no given right to say or do. You don't respect the people that were here for 10,000 yrs before the whites brought slavery, plague and injustice to this land. You should be ashamed of yourself for believing in two tongue gods that came from the other side of the world. The bible that you read talks clearly about your god taking the woman from another man and then being a deadbeat dad and letting his son die in vain. What kind of a lesson is that?
alcram 1 year ago
@alcram The Indians have not been here for 10,000 yrs because the earth is only 6,000 yrs old. When you speak of the white man you are attacking my race. What about all the white men, women, children that the Indians killed? Yes, I am proud to say that my God is the only true God. You are crazy when you say that God took a woman from another man and He is far from being a deadbeat dad. He did not let His Son die in vain. Where in the world did you come up with such nonsense?
1954phyllis 1 year ago
@1954phyllis With that what you said I can truly say you are full of shit! Your pride? You are the one that doesn't make any sense. Since when your god wants you to be proud? You are a retard that hasn't even read the bible where it's says you have to be humble. I don't have no retard rules to break like you do hypocrite. Your god had a son with another man's wife out of wedlock it is in your bible. Go and deny that. About the earth age go and read and quit being the ignorant that you are.
alcram 1 year ago
@alcram Let me tell you something mister, just because you are a very evil person does not give you the right to tell me that I am a retard. Why would God be offended at me when I am on His side. I happen to read the Bible and I know that you are a blasphemer and are the child of the devil. No my God did not have sex with another man's wife. The earth is only 6,000 years old.
1954phyllis 1 year ago
@1954phyllis Go fuck yourself! Your god does not exist and you are a lier. By the way where in the bible says that god has balls? You can't answer. I don't need a right or wrong to call you a retard I just do. Evil you christians have murder whole races. Talking about evil. Who have I kill or tortured or prohibited from speaking their mind?
Again you are an ignorant.
alcram 1 year ago
@alcram Oh yes my God definitely does exist. No I'm not a liar. Dont you know anything bucko, well since Jesus is God the Son He had a human body while He was here on earth. It seems to me that you are the one that is retarded because only an idiot would blaspheme the one that could take your very breath away from you in the blink of an eye. I beg your pardon, but true Christians have not killed entire races. It is evil men that have killed other races.
1954phyllis 1 year ago
@1954phyllis The holy crusades caused millions of deaths, not including the men that where working for god at the time. Sure you may not have made any race extinct, but that doesn't exclude the whole 'evil' aspect either. . .
MrCorpseGrinder88 1 year ago
@1954phyllis You're kidding me, right? 6,000 yrs. old...really? You actually literally think that Earth is 6,000 yrs. old? So...let me guess...scientists just made up those dinosaur bones? Do you also think the Earth is flat? Do you believe that the sun revolves around the Earth? Do you think that bats are birds? That people should own slaves? That people should be stoned to death for working on Sunday or getting remarried after a divorce? Blind ignorance can be really funny sometimes!
MyGrammarRules 1 year ago
@MyGrammarRules Since when do you think that you are an expert of when the earth was created? Yes I do believe that the earth is only 6,000 yrs old. Has it ever entered that brain of yours that the dinosaurs were on the earth right along side of mankind before the flood? No I absolutely don't think that the earth is flat, No I don't believe that bats are birds. I don't believe that people should have slaves. What is it to you what I believe bucko?
1954phyllis 1 year ago
@1954phyllis It's perfectly okay to believe whatever you want, but you should know that people are going to laugh at you for it when it's completely absurd. Try a quick google search, and you will find that practically every scientist on the planet agrees that the Earth is billions of years old. Believing what the Bible says causes you to think otherwise, and it says all that other stuff too. So, just out of curiosity, how do you decide which parts to believe and which parts not to believe?
MyGrammarRules 1 year ago
@MyGrammarRules Actually the believe that the earth is billions of years old is absurb. How come it is so difficult for so called intelligent people to believe that a creator created all things. I happen to believe all the Bible since it is the Word of God. I for one have no problem believing the Genesis account of creation, but on the other hand I have an extreme problem believing that rubbish evolution. Frankly, I don't have enough faith to believe that doctrine of devils.
1954phyllis 1 year ago
@1954phyllis Just to get this straight, because the Bible says the Earth is 6,000 yrs. old, you believe it, yet you don't believe that people should be slaves, or that bats are birds, even though the Bible says that, too. Again I ask you, how do you decide which parts to believe and which parts not to believe?
MyGrammarRules 1 year ago
@MyGrammarRules For the record as a born again Christian I can say that I believe the Bible from cover to cover. Yes I believe that the earth is 6,000 years old. If bats are not birds then what are they? No where in the Bible does God say that it is alright for people to be slaves. Why do you think that He helped the Israelis escape their bondage of slavery in Egypt? I believe the Bible what is that to you?
1954phyllis 1 year ago
@1954phyllis Leviticus 25:44-46 It talks about how you should buy slaves from your neighboring countries. Exodus 21:20-21 That one says it's okay to beat your slaves so long as they get up after a few days. Bats are mammals. If your faith doesn't hurt others, knock yourself out. Many interpret the Bible as metaphorical and allegorical, but to believe it so literally is to be happy with ignorance. You can't just ignore its' proven discrepancies, hypocrisies, and blatant inaccuracies. Just think!
MyGrammarRules 1 year ago
@1954phyllis The reason we're saying that you believe the earth is flat and that you believe in a geocentric model is because you are complete ignorant, belief-holding, close-minded fool. You are the ones who cannot change, who reject science, and the same people who killed Galileo.
Kalphiter45 11 months ago
@alcram Since the earth in only 6,000 years old there were no people here 10,000 years ago. There is only one true God and He is not two tongued. You dont know what you are talking about, since my God is not human He didn't take a woman from another man and He sure isnt a dead beat dad. Jesus didnt die in vain. Jesus is the creator of all creation.l realize that you hate God. well that is yuour problem.
1954phyllis 10 months ago
@1954phyllis LOL, yeah right
Sirducki 10 months ago
@alcram I happen to be an American citizen therefore America is my home. Who are you to tell me to go back to where I came from. I was born here so I'm as much an American citizen as you are.
1954phyllis 10 months ago
PART 5: For those who would argue that popular opinion should be the ultimate determining factor, let us remember that at one time popular opinion held that slavery was proper, that women shouldn’t have the right to vote, etc, etc.
Further, can you imagine that if alterations are allowed to continue at the current pace of approximately one every 30 years, that in 300 short years the POA will be barely recognizable from the original.
The POA should be returned to its original form.
wonkothemagicelf 1 year ago 21
PART 4: Personally, I cannot fathom why anyone ever thought immigrants who by and large had gone or were in the process of going through hell to become a citizen would need THAT reminder.
A year later the word “America” was added. This is commonly called redundancy.
Then of course in 1954, “under god” was added. Again, not a necessity. A National Historical Document such as the POA shouldn’t have had a single revision.
wonkothemagicelf 1 year ago 21
PART 3: On the other hand, the “stars” portion is likely to change with possible additions or even subtractions of states. Currently, of course, at 50 stars representing the 50 states.
Now, back to the POA. When we check the revisions and the reasons given for the changes, NONE seem to hold necessary merit. In 1923, the change was from “my flag” TO “the flag of the United States”… Why the change? It was done for the “new immigrants”.
wonkothemagicelf 1 year ago 8
PART 2: For comparison, let’s first look at the US flag. Part of the flag should now be set, never needing further changes BUT the other part will in all likelihood change many times over the future course of history. What exactly am I talking about?
Well, as for the stable portion, we need only to recall that the 13 stripes represent the original 13 colonies. Since there will never be any further additions to the original list, there should be no reason to change the red and white stripes.
wonkothemagicelf 1 year ago 10
Historical Artifacts, Documents and Treasures Part 1
The Pledge of Allegiance seems to me to fall into the Historical ADT
Category above any others. More specifically it is a National Historical Document.With that in mind, revisions and/or alterations should ONLY be made when there is no other choice OR when it essentially becomes a absolute necessity.
So in looking at the original POA, and the FOUR REVISIONS it has undergone, one must seriously ask if changes were ever a necessity.
wonkothemagicelf 1 year ago 8
one nation indivisible, except under GOD.
FevoIsGod 1 year ago
@FevoIsGod One nation under God
1954phyllis 1 year ago
@1954phyllis direction is relative. so if god is up to you then across the earth he is down. and is you say that god is everywhere in some way then how can you justify him being in one direction?
FevoIsGod 1 year ago
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@1954phyllis your god is a lie and does not exist
alcram 1 year ago
Pledge of Allegiance One Nation indivisible
alcram 1 year ago
@alcram One Nation under God
1954phyllis 1 year ago
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@1954phyllis your god does not exist
alcram 1 year ago
You, sir, are my hero. I plan on taking a page from your book as I raise my little girl to be a reasonable, critical thinking individual.
wookiebw 1 year ago
i think the entire pledge is bullshit, but i still have to respect that they got up there and said, "under nobody"
TRUTHisOUTthere100 1 year ago
considering we weren't "under god" until 1954, this little girl has the right idea!
here, here!
mandapannts 1 year ago
@mandapannts No she didnt have the right idea.
1954phyllis 1 year ago
@1954phyllis she totally had the right idea.
FevoIsGod 1 year ago
@FevoIsGod How did that girl have the right idea, the pledge needs to be left as it is.
1954phyllis 1 year ago
@1954phyllis the right idea being that this nation is not under god because god has not been shown to exist. and not only that but Do you think god picks and chooses the countries he likes best?
FevoIsGod 1 year ago
@FevoIsGod Any person with any common sense would know that there is a God. Just because God cant be seen doesnt prove any thing at all. Israel is His chosen people.
1954phyllis 1 year ago
@1954phyllis oh its common sense that tells us there is a god. i would love to hear the line of logic in support of that. I bet you cant come up with a logical, valid and sound, common sense bases for validating belief in any god, much less a particular god and even lesser validation for a particular denomination.
FevoIsGod 1 year ago
@FevoIsGod **not validating belief!!! what i meant was "Validating the existence of a god"**
FevoIsGod 1 year ago
@FevoIsGod Well think about it duh! all creation is proof of a creator. There is only one God and He created all of creation. Only a lame brain or someone with a major heart problem doesnt believer that there is a God.
1954phyllis 1 year ago
@1954phyllis you're joking! i was suckered by s troll! no one is so stupid as to infer such a conclusion from vague premises like that! Remember i said "Logical, valid and sound". that bit of incognizant banter is merely an invalid inference much less "common sense".
FevoIsGod 1 year ago
This nation is not "under god". That is absurd! Let's base our nation on a fairytale and see how it turns out! You want to ask all the other great nations of the world what happened when they did that? Let go to the middle ages, Rome, you name it. Founding a nation with a supernatural entity is fine, but when government recognizes that bullshit story as valid, then there is a problem.
azcolvin429 1 year ago
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John Adams - Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
George Washington - Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles.
Under god was not added to the Pledge of Allegiance to force religion on people it was added as a foundation for the morality of people.
Fedcop78 2 years ago
@Fedcop78
What, you think because John Adams and George Washington said something, that makes it right? Religion and morality are completely separate things.
TRUTHisOUTthere100 1 year ago
@Fedcop78 It was added because the Soviets were the evil commies, America wanted to differentiate itself from then bad guys.
Does money printed with "in god we trust" really make people more moral?
alphaqupbad 1 year ago
@alphaqupbad No because in today's society the word God doesn't mean much anymore as you can see in this video and just look at this country falling apart.
Fedcop78 1 year ago
Yeah it meant a great deal in the dark ages and that worked out so well..
geoff394 1 year ago
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@alphaqupbad No because in today's society the word God doesn't mean much anymore as you can see in this video and just look at this country falling apart.
Fedcop78 1 year ago
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@alphaqupbad No because in today's society the word God doesn't mean much anymore as you can see in this video and just look at this country falling apart.
Fedcop78 1 year ago
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@alphaqupbad No because in today's society the word God doesn't mean much anymore as you can see in this video and just look at this country falling apart.
Fedcop78 1 year ago
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Its amazing to see the principles this country was founded on just thrown to the side. No wonder this country is in the trouble its in.
Fedcop78 2 years ago
@Fedcop78 yup, but try telling that to the right wing nut jobs and they flip out. oh well, c'est la vie
hornylink 1 year ago
Adorable :D
sashex 2 years ago
Thats awesome, did you see the teachers face?
josephrl82 2 years ago
cool
I usually say One Nation Without Superstition
Seeker64 2 years ago 4
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She forgot to say God.
Fleur114 2 years ago
@Fleur114 No, she didn't. That's the point.
Jumile2 2 years ago 5
stick ur imaginary friend up ur ass and leave it there
BatmanASB 2 years ago
Atheism has been ruled a religion by the U.S. judicial system. I wont get into the tedious details, but the gist of it is that it's a belief system regarding the origins of life and the universe, which certainly qualifies as a world-view, which is practically synonymous with religion. The decision means atheism may no longer be sneaked into the classroom via semantic word play of the U.S. Constitution.
signatureinthecell 2 years ago
What a lot of shit, atheism is quiet simple. Theism is the beleif there is a god, a-theism is the lack of beleif in gods or god. How the hell do you derive a world view from that? Furthermore I demand to see your evidence and the court case where atheism was ruled a religion, unless, of course, your just spouting bull.
amarthishness 2 years ago
amarthishness, Google (copy & paste) the phrase:
"origin of life fairness"
It should be the very first search result.
signatureinthecell 2 years ago
Ah goody, I've read over the two case files now that were quoted as this websites sources (Kaufman v. McCaughtry and Peloza v. Capistrano) In PvC the court ruled that P was required to teach evolution in his biology classroom, and was not allowed to talk about his religion to his students. Thats right, court ordered. In KvC atheism was awarded the same rights as a religious group in prision. Rights. This does not mean atheism is a religion just that it has the same protection. Ta-da. :)
amarthishness 2 years ago 3
i don't like the money grubbing though
BatmanASB 2 years ago
I think children should know the pledge of their country. what kind of country has people that dont even know their own pledge?
playxhardx187 2 years ago
People who don't want to support creepy patriotic cult rituals.
TRUTHisOUTthere100 1 year ago
Gee, miu14satori14, countless millions have been killed in the name of just that one little word "God" alone.
diavlosuelto 2 years ago
you know its just a few little words its not gonna kill you : /
miu14satori14 2 years ago
Nope but why the hell should we have to say it? Just to please you?
amarthishness 2 years ago 3
You should have them remove the "indivisible" part as well, since that stunt you put them up to was clearly designed to raise a stink and pit people against each other.
eukodol 2 years ago
@eukodol
Nope, it was meant to practice their rights. Their right to not believe.
gormanilius 2 years ago
@eukodol exactly. If you search around the web, you start to notice that it is organized. Search youtube for christian video's and tons of atheist ones come up. Do a search for declaration of independence and the top searches are atheist web sites either discrediting,whining or trying to destroy the document in other ways.
A group that big and organized with a belief system at its base of non belief is a religion which while protected by the 1st amendment can have no special laws respecting it.
twentyoh5 2 years ago
OMG!!! That was great!
DNAunion 2 years ago
say only, under God, or leave it off entirely, Saying under nobody is against the 1st amendment.
twentyoh5 2 years ago
That would make me one proud father.
hsmalley 2 years ago
The original pledge didn't mention god. It was added in 1959... Around the same time they added "In God We Trust" to our money.
We need to reset them to their proper original states.
Subterfugitive 2 years ago 6
@Subterfugitive Although still way after the founding fathers, coins were printed with "in god we trust" around 1880 something.
alphaqupbad 1 year ago
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who is nobody? how did America come under him/her? Thought it was under God? they must be illegal immigrants? They don't know they can't force their version of a diety on others.. Nobody must be the name of a specific diety? Or a nondiety? Will it take another cival war in America to stop this facism? God encompasses all religions, the constitutional way. The God "Nobody" implies a certain religion which the constitution forbids.
twentyoh5 2 years ago
You know what.....with you I give you... you can't have a battle of wits with an unarmed man....no more comments, have the last word, you probably will.
ChuckyJesus666 2 years ago
Nobody, what a concept.
toolingido 2 years ago
Wow. That is cool! Very good idea on the wording. I didn't think of that.
Thank you for sharing this! :o)
aajoeyjo 2 years ago 2
Awesome kids are awesome.
RockingOnPluto 2 years ago 3
kids are malleable.
twentyoh5 2 years ago
Yes, they are. This is why religious people like to force them to participate in supernatural ceremonies and fill their heads with nonsense like "the Earth is 6,000 years old".
jonmcculloch 2 years ago
That's a scandal, it should be "under the Flying Spaghetti Monster"
Chiflado21 2 years ago 7
might as well be. who is this nobody diety we are under?
twentyoh5 2 years ago
AgeOfGrace1 is wrong! Separation of church and state was introduced by Thomas Paine during the American Revolution. Thomas Paine said, Paine went on to give his opinion of religion:
"I believe in the equality of man ... All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." The word god is NOT in the constution of the USA. It was left out on purpose.
PleasureIncluded 2 years ago 7
The word creator is in there
twentyoh5 2 years ago
The word creator is in the "Declaration of Independence", not in the "United States Constitution." The constitution is a more important document. It is a governing document. The declaration was written only to state, why the United States was seperating itself from England. It is not legally governing document.
PleasureIncluded 2 years ago 7
ok, yea well. the word religon is clearly in the amendments, and restricting my right to worship is expressly forbidden. I don't have to worship nobody if I don't want.
If I go to a dance and don't like the dance being danced, I can't go change it if the rest of the people like it. I just don't participate.
I don't force them to dance the nobody dance.
it also states that your religion cannot have more respect than others.
The video is blatant fascism
twentyoh5 2 years ago
Yes, because the little girl is *clearly* forcing the other children to say 'one nation under nobody.'
dumbass.
Akolyte01 2 years ago 4
Typical "believer." Creating an atmosphere where every citizen's views, instead of just some, is respected is somehow restricting your freedom. Yeah, your freedom to force your religion down everyone else's throat. THAT is what's fascist, my friend. This is not a question of a dance...very poor analogy. The amendment says there shall be no establishment of religion, and for people to be forced to acknowledge a god is clearly establishing a religion. Religious neutrality is all we ask.
ChuckyJesus666 2 years ago 2
the pledge is blatant fascism! besides, "forcing" people to dance the nobody dance is no worse than "forcing" people to dance the god dance.
TRUTHisOUTthere100 1 year ago
Thomas Jefferson did not mean "Jehovah" by "creator." He meant the deist god, which created the universe and then left it alone.
ChuckyJesus666 2 years ago 4
when you ask for God to be removed you are not asking for "nuetrality" You are asking for the respectable establishment of your religion, which is nobody or no one, or chemistry, or darwin or whoever it is you worship these days.
Leaving it off would be a better choice, but saying under nobody is establishing a religion which is expressly prohibited under the 1st amendment.
Saying under God encompasses all religions so does not respect or establish any single one.
twentyoh5 2 years ago
The lack of a religion is not a religion. When you say, "under god." Which god do you mean?
ChuckyJesus666 2 years ago
Athieism worships nobody, or chemistry, or science, or I am not sure what, chance maybe? If it isn't worship to these things, then what is the point of denying God exsists. If you are not trying to push your nongod on others then why aren't you just silent and leave it be?
I know why, It is because it is a religion. In America your belief does not carry more weight than mine.
under god means any god you want it to. I feel bad for the souless, but it shouldn't get special treatment.
twentyoh5 2 years ago
correction
I said "it shouldn't get special treatment", meaning athieism, but I should have said "you shouldn't get special treatment". meaning athiests
twentyoh5 2 years ago
The phrase should be "under gods" if your assertion is correct.
OR it shouldn't even be included since if by your belief everyone has a god of some sort then including this is only stating a commonality and nothing all too important.
honkywill 2 years ago
We don't worship anything. If atheism is a religion, then bald is a hair color. Nice try at equivocation, but that's all this is. Bye.
ChuckyJesus666 2 years ago
OK, bye.
btw, that don;t make much sense, Do bald headed guys organize and attack people with certain hair colors?
Athiests worship science or logic, or chemistry or whatever they call their handicap these days. They are a religion because they do organize and attack other religions. what do you call it then? nonreligious group? what does that mean? it means a religious group that won't admit it.
twentyoh5 2 years ago
Funny, you know bhuddhist are atheists right? I'm sure they're toatally down with the whole science thing. And you want to know why (some) atheists fight religion? Its because of jumped up little pricks like you, who try and curtail the rights of others and force your theocracy down our throats. Thats why theres so many angry atheists out there, cause we're force to listen to religious people screaming gays have to die and flying planes into buildings. Its quite simple disgusting.
amarthishness 2 years ago
@amarthishness Not necessarily true. Theravadan buddhists are non-theists, but Mahayana (most east and south-east Asian buddhism) and especially Vajrayana (Tibetan buddhism) are normally theistic doctrines and many of their forms allow for demons and gods.
Jumile2 2 years ago
Ah well, I must admit I am no expert on buddhists, however I was merly using the example to show that you cannot merly catagorise all atheists into one group. Many of them dont embrace sceptcism. Many of them disagree with multiple feilds of scince. Perhaps a better example would be scientologists who believe psycologists are evil. They are in essence secular as they have no central god docterine however it would be a strech to describe any of them as rationlists or sceptics.
amarthishness 2 years ago
However thank you very much for the information. Its always good to learn something new. :)
amarthishness 2 years ago
"Under God" was not always in the pledge. So when they tossed it in there in 1954 at the behest of The Knights of Columbus (a catholic organization) and ultimately a SERMON was the final nudge for it's inclusion.
Was that not asking for the respectable establishment of their religion?
Probably no. Cause' your a biased loon and you will work some rationale around this fact to insist that "God" still means any god.
honkywill 2 years ago
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twentyoh5 2 years ago
Even if those last two labels were correct it still doesn't make you any less of a biased loon.
If "under god" didn't have a specific meaning as you suggest then I really pity you for defending what would be a broad and pointless statement.
It would be akin to saying "and one nation, comprised of organisms with skeletal systems."
honkywill 2 years ago
then we agree, under nobody is wrong and these kids should just leave it out, or say it the way it is written.
god God, gods, anyone of them would be better than under nobod since that is how it is written. (whenever it was, I don't care about the date either) Say it the way it was meant or be silent how about?
twentyoh5 2 years ago
nah under god was added later,do some research
ipimees 2 years ago
@ipimees I don't remember saying they weren't added later? when? well in the 50's btw, if you need me to tell you.
Really don't have any bearing on the fact that they are saying under nobody, and their kids, and it's their parents that taught them that.
Actually, America is under God too. We have seperation of church and state so that one persons idea of God doesn't take precident over another. This means one persons idea of no god also can't take precident.
twentyoh5 2 years ago
Yeh, just like when we used to do the Bellamy Salute (Nazi salute) towards the flag. Some people don't know that!
KidVlogger317 2 years ago
Since these kids are far from the age of consent I don't think they should be made to be pledging any kind of allegiance to anything.
honkywill 2 years ago
huh? The Lord of the Flies. Have you read it?
twentyoh5 2 years ago
That's a good reason to not push religion on kids either. Prayer is the ultimate pledge of allegiance.
aajoeyjo 2 years ago
@PleasureIncluded - Nice try!!...But miss quoting Mr Paine, by taking a statement out of context. .....That's pretty low!
Mrcharliebobo 1 year ago
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have you ever read the first amendment?? As a matter of fact, "separation of church and state" was introduced in 1947 and is UNconstitutional.
AgeOfGrace1 2 years ago
I personally do not pledge my allegiance to ANY flag, but why not just say "One nation, indivisible; with liberty and justice for all"? If the point is to be inclusive, then why offend a lot of people by adding the "under nobody" part. Isn't that just discrimination in reverse?
LngLvSinatra 2 years ago 2
It's a response. There have been many different versions of responses given, and this is one.
Not saying "under God" will always offend some theists, there's no avoiding that. We must be brave enough to offend those who would force their religion on us.
It's not our fault and mostly not theirs either - they were conditioned over their whole life to think that "under God" has to be there. We cannot please everyone all the time, and shouldn't try. But we MUST respond.
aajoeyjo 2 years ago 5
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LngLvSinatra 2 years ago
Loved it, wish more kids would do the same.
valencehigh 2 years ago
That has to be one of the funniest things I've seen in awhile.
antybu86 2 years ago
Haha, funniest shit ever. Epic. Wish I could favourite this more than once.
mcmoogol 2 years ago 2
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For those that don't know. RIGHTS COME FROM GOD. i.e. "Where rights are involved there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them." Miranda v. Arizona
Why would the U.S. Supreme Crt say this? There is a higher power recognized in the U.S. & the government can't write law that over rules the higher power. W/O GOD you have no rights; Only corporate privileges. U.S. has been a corp. since 1789. Want to know more? Message me at my channel. Religion & God; not the same thing.
hernanx3 2 years ago
"Right" and "justice" are social concepts that evolved through time among humans and some other clever animals.
notinlist 2 years ago 7
yeah but it's bollocks since your higher power probably doesnt exist. So even if what you're saying was true then it'd still be irrelivant since their's no god
angrydead 2 years ago 2
There is something oppressive about the idea of being under somebody, or something. Under nobody is more affirming, free, and accurate!!!
PleasureIncluded 2 years ago 3
As an atheist, the addition of "under god" always offended me, but even more so, as a promoter of freedom of the self, I find the fact that kids are forced to speak the pledge AT ALL to be deplorable even without the "under god" part. Patriotism is hollow when it becomes mandatory. School systems in the US that require reciting the pledge (not all do) should be ashamed of themselves for attempting to promote the totalitarian concept of mandatory patriotism.
dunbar9finger 2 years ago 7
never bothered me-let the baby have its bottle. Within a few decades we'll be the majority at which point we will do as we wish.
angrydead 2 years ago
@dunbar9finger i simply refuse to say the pledge in school, and besides, didnt hitler make children do this type of thing in school (im not saying that we r in that position....but still)
music4ever550 1 year ago
@dunbar9finger - You should be ashamed of yourself!! assclown!
Mrcharliebobo 1 year ago
As an American and an atheist, I think making metaphysical assertions is a silly thing to do in the pledge, whether "under god" or "under nobody".
Have to admit, funny video, though. The teacher's reaction is great.
NonRandomNonSense 2 years ago 2
The teacher's expression makes it obvious she heard the "under nobody" and decided to completely ignore the kids' version to avoid controversy in the proceedings, and just continue as though nothing different was said. Funny stuff!
Great kudos to the kids!
It's wonderful at least some of our youth today are learning that the addition of the 'God' phrase in 1954 is unconstitutional and divisive in our pluralistic society. It makes the Pledge a self-contradiction by dividing the "indivisible".
JesusSavesAtCitibank 2 years ago 9
Americans sure like to pledge alligiance.
Findulidas 2 years ago 2
One nation indivisible. The original version was just fine.
I would also like "I pledge allegiance to liberty and justice for all". There's really no need for it to be longer than that.
GBart 2 years ago 8
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Mapache9999 2 years ago 2
Hahahaha...
I would totally do that, except for the fact that I refuse to say the pledge anyway.
MyPaperBleedsInk 2 years ago 4