Youre supposed to run a much heavier spring when you have DSGs, because the piston only goes back half way of what it should. If you run a 110 spring on DSGs youll drop the fps down to about 200 like Tim said. But if you run a 160, youll get about 400 or so.
The RiotSC DSG, the original DSG, is 100x better than this POS. 38RPS isn't even all that fast. You could do that with stock gears from a JG. Simple. Here's an example build list:
JG Gears
SHS HS motor
SHS piston
Deans
MOSFET
11.1v 30c Lipo
M120
If tuned it correctly, you get the same or better ROF of this dumb Modify DSG on stock 18:1 gears while keeping 420+FPS. This can out shoot a KWA for a fraction of the price if you know anything about teching. ww w(dot) airsoftmechanics (dot) com
Was that a joke or a lame plug when he said KWAs are the fastest shooting stock guns? My stock VFC M4 gets 22 RPS on a 9.6v and 30 RPS with a 11.1v. Heck, the TM hi-cycle guns get 25 RPS on a 8.4v!
i dont really think KWA has the highest rate of fire right out of the box i think G&P does because KWA on a lipo shoots 23 rps and G&P on lipo shoots like 30 somethin...
@toddcraton True but at that point you need to clip some coils off of the tappet spring or get a stronger one that can pull it back fast enough; I've seen people run 50+rps setups with zero problems feeding, though I can imagine there was.... 'much tuning' to that gun to make it operate so smoothly :P
@InvokeZero Yeah but just sayin that if all they did is throw the gearset in and a full metal rack piston, they probably didnt cut the tappet to 11mm in this video for the tappet to operate properly
@toddcraton Lol and that's where I know I have learning to do - I don't get what cutting it to 11mm is; however I haven't ever taken a gun past ~30-35rps before. In time I will learn I suppose :)
@AIRSOFTGIdotcom the problem is the barrel...cut the barrel lenght to a 285mm or shorter because in a long barrel the bb has not enough time to exit that another bb get shot....plz try and reply :D (just a tip)
My friend was about to sell me a set of these gears, but then ge remembered they are a collector Item and hes' like no, so I had to take systemea gears.
If you use a short barrel you can short stroke will a bit less FPS reduction compared to longer barrel... Am i wrong or right? because your are only pulling the piston half way, so you dont have enough are in the barrel... if im wrong correct me.
@mahabra695 I believe it is Lol Fail * Nice to see you around...Got that SHS wholesale or not yet? Hows the forum? So I suppose Riot has got some 10:1 SSG's available now o.0 WANT
high speed isnt about FPS it's about rate of fire. 200 fps is perfectly fine for indoor play where the amount of rounds is more important than the speed. It's a give and take, you can't have both (yet). Also short stroking means you use a higher rated spring instead of a stock one to help make up the FPS loss. The stronger sprint also helps with piston return speed.
@andromedarr - Possible? Yes. However, due to the nature of the mechanics and parts available any AEG you have shooting like that won't last very long. I don't know about you, but I don't have the money to throw into new parts after every game.
@PartNinja If you know what to do then the parts will last.
60 RPS at 400 FPS puts about the stress of a 30 RPS 500 FPS gun (since you need a double sector gear) onto the piston, and some pistons, like modified Lonex or SHS pistons can do that, Siegetek Gears can handle the load no problem, and a rewound JG Blue motor will last too.
If you build the whole thing with a V2 and the shock transfer system, then the box will last too.
I'm not on anyone's side, but the systema turbo motor is fast. But it is also vvvveeeerrrryyyy overpriced. You can pick up a shs high speed motor for a fraction of the price and still almost match the performance and surpass the quality IMO. It's pathetic you pay $100 and have to replace the pinion gear. Not a huge deal, but something you shouldn't have to do.
Back to the video, this is an insult to DSG set-ups everywhere. I would take riots over these any day.
@Charkzilla20 the way these work is by pulling the piston halfway to increase how many times you can shoot it in one second. but it will lower the fps substantially. This next part is not a fact its what im thinking... I think the gun might be shooting so fast that before the bb leaves the barrel the piston is already getting compressed again leading to the dreaded "barrel suck". thats just me thinking so dont take that as a fact
@r2323r23 KWA's "self shimming gears" really do require shimming though otherwise they fail from what I've read. VFC's require shimming as well although the spring on the spur gear is supposed to make it easier to shim.
@fanofCOH dont be mad you cant afford them ass clown.... i know for fact that the turbo motor rips!!!!!!! i have been using it for 7 months now without a problem!!!! so fuck off and go key a smart ass with some one else
@doubletapm4 you know, running a gun at 36rps on a 9.6 speaks for itself. systema motors suck and are not sprinkled with pixy dust. i belive the turbo is 22turns of 16ga wire using dry ferite magnets. in otherwords, a ACM motor will deliver the same performance. on top of that, the systema armature design is backwards and can cause the coils to explode. the pinions are much to soft and the aluminum enbels/sticks cause shorting. their shitty arse proprietary brushes also such-they burn to easy
@Doomcommin Not even close. RiotSC DSG gears (Same as Siegtek, just different name) are WAAAAAAAYYY better than this. visit (w ww) (dawt) airsoftmechanics (dawt) (co m) and read about DSG setups.
@andromedarr Oh, okay... So that means that this gearset + a hi-speed motor = very low fps? I feel that I'm getting something wrong. If I do. Would you mind correcting me? Thanks for the info btw.
A High Speed Motor will pull about an M110 with decent rate of fire, even with a DSG, and that will result in between 150 and 285 FPS, depending on if you are using a springguide spacer.
If you want a real bush-trimmer airsoftgun, get an M190+ Spring, the SC Dual Sector Gear, and use a high Torque Motor, like an AMP High Torque or Systema Magnum.
A guy achieved 55 Rounds per Second with about 380 FPS with M190, AMP HTe and SC Gears. But you have to know what you are doing :)
@CertifiedRapeCannon Oh, wow that is pretty damn fast. Do you know anything about the 100 RPS DSG? I heared someone wanted to try that with a 6 Tooth DSG and a spacered M170. Is the 100 RPS mark cracked or still not reached?
@andromedarr Major9 on Airsoft Mechanics supposedly achieved 98RPS. Not sure on the exact setup, but I know the motor was a JG Blue torque and he burned that out I believe. M9 had a sale thread selling a bunch of the parts he used in that build. (gears, piston) It lasted like 200 rounds (?) not sure exactly.
@camo03 the general rule of thumb is that your velocity is effectivly halved in this setup. using the spring guide spacer you retain approximatly .64% of your springs ability. that still means that you need a beefy spring to achive a usable fps. high speed motors cannot pull the beefy springs required.
@fray1234jkl84032 li poly does not ruin your gears. its the wear and tear that the li poly brings. With a faster fire rate, more strain on the gear box.
haha are you guys serious? i own a dual sector and know how it works lolol. i have the roit sc ones which are better than the modify shit. all im saying is that asgi doesnt know about dual sector gears (or at least enough to make a good dsg gun) check out this video its not mine but its way faster than asgi's. and of course its impornant about being a good tech. a shitty tech gets 38 rps on a dual sector with 200fps haha
@airsofterzz i think they were just dropping in the gears, they didn't redo the whole gearbox. anyone who's got 45+ rps has replaced just about every stock part.
im so tired of asgi. their techs suck so bad. they dont know anything. hell, they put metal piston heads on their high speed setups haha. and only 38 rps? on a dual sector gear? wow. and how does the fps not hold up? ive seen 65 rps shoot consistsnt 380 fps. asgi is crap. dont send them your guns for upgrades. send them to someone with more tech know-how
@airsofterzz Your shit. Your fucking bad at life and you should stop trolling cause you don't know what the fuck your talking about. ASGI is a good and trustworthy retailer with great techs. Maybe you should stop riding peoples dicks all the time and get a life you fucking pile of shit.
@AbovtheBSproductions 38RPS is well below the average DSG build. typical DSG builds are 50~60RPS at 320~380FPS. ASGI's techs aren't as good as you think they are.
@AbovtheBSproductions whoa hey now no need to get feisty. i just think its sad that 38 rps on a dsg is not that good. people have achieved much higher
@airsofterzz Seems you don't understand anything about mechanics... It's not about being a shit technician or not, its just that sector gear has less teeths than a normal sector gear, but they just duplicate them. That cause the piston to NOT FULLY COMPRESS the spring which causes that the gun isn't as strong as it should be.
@virusofthedeath He understands plently, I bet. Probably more than you. Just because the DSG only compresses 1/2way, doesn't mean you have to have 200FPS. If you have a perfect airseal, use an SP170 or similar spring, and a high torque motor along with an 11.1V 30C+ lipo, with a tuned gearbox with a cylinder that matches barrel volume, you will see much higher RPS and a normal FPS. A typical DSG build is 50~60RPS at 320~380FPS. Know your stuff before you flame people.
@CertifiedRapeCannon NO. Half stroking doesn't enhance or help anything. Putting a 170 spring and half stroke it will just cause that you wont fill the barrel/cylinder enough to push your bb on a m4 barrel, if its smaller it may work, but whats the difference between putting an 170 half stroke, and putting an 120 full stroke? NO DIFFERENCE.
If your issue is rate of fire, put a better motor, low ratio gears, and a 11,1 battery with a nice discharge rate. I run a gun with 1:13 ratio gears = 40 RPS
@virusofthedeath There is a difference. The half stroking and M170 spring will give you much more return rate. And it wont put as much strain on the pickupteeth on the piston and gear. You can not run a single sector gear as reliable as a dual sector gear at high ROFs.
@virusofthedeath Do you understand how a dual sector gear works? There is two sets of teeth on opposite sides of the gear, so it fires twice on one cycle. It has to be a half stroke otherwise there would be teeth around the whole thing. If you had a lower power spring with the DSG, your piston would be raped by pre-engagment.
/watch?v=Lk61EXhUK1o This kind of performance you can get from Siegetek's dualsector gear.. That guy has ran that gun for several K rounds and nothing has broken yet.
im afraid to know what this thing or the asgi high speed p90 would shoot on the life-po battery from madbull. makes me wonder what that would do to a tokyo marui high cycle gun as well...
If someone could answer, if i wanted to make a gun around 30+ rps by changing the spring to like 280fps, would that make it faster and more reliable than 350-400 fps?
@AirsoftGunsAndBbGuns shorter KWA gun, (G36, SR5, SR7, M4, M4 CQB) with systema M85 spring, either-high speed gears or systema turbo motor, ported piston head, good cylinder, good cylinder head, 11.1v lipo, good mosfet chip, good deans connectors and if that dosent do it a 2-3 tooth short stroke.
NO it will not be anywhere near as reliable as a 350-400 fps gun at 20bb/s
Youre supposed to run a much heavier spring when you have DSGs, because the piston only goes back half way of what it should. If you run a 110 spring on DSGs youll drop the fps down to about 200 like Tim said. But if you run a 160, youll get about 400 or so.
weride808 3 days ago
I run 13:1s on a 7.4 and I get 28 rps. Its not too impressive for a DSG.
weride808 3 days ago
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daisyairsoft 4 days ago
MY LITTLE CLEAR GUN THAT TAKES DOUBLE A BATTERIES, FROM SPORTS AUTHORITY SHOOTS 97RPS OUT OF THE BOX. >:(
51ekips 6 days ago
Hell I'll give up FPS for ROF in cqb.
TheAnonymoususer5 3 weeks ago
Sounds like a damn Minigun. Not saying it is, but it literally SOUNDS alot like one.
LoneSniperSG 1 month ago
HAHAHA funny video....to bad is was not intended as one.
Kjeilen 1 month ago
@Kjeilen *it (why cant I modify my YouTube post when nobody else have even replied?)
Kjeilen 1 month ago
RiotSC's gearset poops on that gearset.
MrMopply 1 month ago
Heavy:it costs $40 to fire it for 12 seconds....
drunkdriveing 1 month ago
@drunkdriveing 12 seconds = 456 bbs. 456 bbs costs a $1.50 in bbs
bullmeatt 1 month ago
@bullmeatt its a TF2 joke? meet the Heavy weapons guy? big Russain with a minigun?.....no? ahhh what ever i dont even care anymore.
drunkdriveing 1 month ago
How come that you dont need to wind up the magazine every ~20 bullets?
heuykiller 1 month ago
High speed fail... i was expecting faster.
g3tr00t3d 2 months ago
And you changed only the gear set? Hispeed need more.
SNIPERTOMSA 2 months ago
The RiotSC DSG, the original DSG, is 100x better than this POS. 38RPS isn't even all that fast. You could do that with stock gears from a JG. Simple. Here's an example build list:
JG Gears
SHS HS motor
SHS piston
Deans
MOSFET
11.1v 30c Lipo
M120
If tuned it correctly, you get the same or better ROF of this dumb Modify DSG on stock 18:1 gears while keeping 420+FPS. This can out shoot a KWA for a fraction of the price if you know anything about teching. ww w(dot) airsoftmechanics (dot) com
CertifiedRapeCannon 2 months ago
i've gotten 38 rps with conventional non DSG setups. thats just a fail.
AT4ROCKET 2 months ago
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Was that a joke or a lame plug when he said KWAs are the fastest shooting stock guns? My stock VFC M4 gets 22 RPS on a 9.6v and 30 RPS with a 11.1v. Heck, the TM hi-cycle guns get 25 RPS on a 8.4v!
tylerflow 2 months ago
Why you SHOULD NOT have a a gun that shoots 40 bps........waste ammo extremely fast.............and because its so unrealistic
QuickScopes1456 2 months ago
@QuickScopes1456 this is airsoft, who cares haha
AirsoftShizsAndGigs 2 months ago
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QuickScopes1456 2 months ago
you loose 10~15 rps for every teeth shortstroked.... Thats why in DSGs you put SP130 or SP140 springs to get 350 fps.
yoyager6567 2 months ago
What highcap mag was that!? I've never seen a highcap keep up that well!
Iconiqz 3 months ago
"and on that bombshell its time to end" trying to copy jeremy clarkson on top gear UK LOL
B1F222 3 months ago
i dont really think KWA has the highest rate of fire right out of the box i think G&P does because KWA on a lipo shoots 23 rps and G&P on lipo shoots like 30 somethin...
xxxkickassxxx2 3 months ago
I just wonder how much tension and stress is being put on the other internals.
BruceJBCpaintball 3 months ago
@BruceJBCpaintball If you want to have a 1J gun, a 50 RPS setup would put the force of 25 RPS on an M170 on the first sector gear and piston tooth.
andromedarr 3 months ago
is the other gun DSG? else it would be unfair to compare :))
monsimand 3 months ago
I have to agree with the others - 38rps isn't that amazing for DSG's, even 16:1's.
The barrel is too long as others are saying; lower it to <300mm and try it again you shouldn't have any FPS discrepancies between semi and full auto.
InvokeZero 4 months ago 19
@InvokeZero you can with a DSG on full auto because of the tappet plates timing not allowing the nozzle to return fast enough
toddcraton 2 months ago
@toddcraton True but at that point you need to clip some coils off of the tappet spring or get a stronger one that can pull it back fast enough; I've seen people run 50+rps setups with zero problems feeding, though I can imagine there was.... 'much tuning' to that gun to make it operate so smoothly :P
InvokeZero 2 months ago
@InvokeZero Yeah but just sayin that if all they did is throw the gearset in and a full metal rack piston, they probably didnt cut the tappet to 11mm in this video for the tappet to operate properly
toddcraton 2 months ago
@toddcraton Lol and that's where I know I have learning to do - I don't get what cutting it to 11mm is; however I haven't ever taken a gun past ~30-35rps before. In time I will learn I suppose :)
InvokeZero 2 months ago
@AIRSOFTGIdotcom the problem is the barrel...cut the barrel lenght to a 285mm or shorter because in a long barrel the bb has not enough time to exit that another bb get shot....plz try and reply :D (just a tip)
italiansniperkill 4 months ago
My friend was about to sell me a set of these gears, but then ge remembered they are a collector Item and hes' like no, so I had to take systemea gears.
Thomas9606 4 months ago
Thats just too fast :L
TheKr1sC0Kr1ng13 5 months ago
Once they stock SHS gears and better bbs I will be content
airsoftassasins 5 months ago
@airsoftassasins idk why your saying they have bad bbs g nd g bbs r one of the best bbs along with tsd and madbull bbs
mipyman2 5 months ago
@airsoftassasins They now stock SHS rebrand 13:1's and other ratios. Under the brand Echo 1
r2323r23 4 months ago
i love when he says "that is ridicoulus"
XxzLiLxXxDeViLzxX 5 months ago
If you use a short barrel you can short stroke will a bit less FPS reduction compared to longer barrel... Am i wrong or right? because your are only pulling the piston half way, so you dont have enough are in the barrel... if im wrong correct me.
TTThienTN 5 months ago
Way to advertise a stolen product. RiotSC is the original creator of the Cyclone DSG. Typical Modify bullshit.
Jonezy108 5 months ago 9
38 rps on a DSG. lulphail
mahabra695 5 months ago
@mahabra695 I believe it is Lol Fail * Nice to see you around...Got that SHS wholesale or not yet? Hows the forum? So I suppose Riot has got some 10:1 SSG's available now o.0 WANT
r2323r23 5 months ago
You can see the wire from the gun going ito his jacket were the gun is being powered by Tims awsomeness... or possibly a lipo.
unlivingmark 6 months ago
I'd get some SiegeTek gears, life time warranty... :P
Deltie 6 months ago
I'd rather get some SHS gears. they are alot better.
MrOpticBandit 6 months ago
theres no way a high cap can keep up.
Meboyboyboy 6 months ago
@Meboyboyboy Are you talking about having the capacity or for feeding? Because ACM hicaps can feed up past 60RPS.
CertifiedRapeCannon 2 months ago
wow
socalair5 6 months ago
so thats a double sector gear?
blarper45 6 months ago
Ripoff of a certain gun techs product much!
RohanAirsoft 6 months ago
Not even impressed. I've seen 53 RPS 550 FPS aeg. Now that was epic.
EddyKicksAss 6 months ago
high speed isnt about FPS it's about rate of fire. 200 fps is perfectly fine for indoor play where the amount of rounds is more important than the speed. It's a give and take, you can't have both (yet). Also short stroking means you use a higher rated spring instead of a stock one to help make up the FPS loss. The stronger sprint also helps with piston return speed.
PartNinja 6 months ago
@PartNinja You can have both, 400 FPS and 60 RPS is possible
andromedarr 6 months ago
@andromedarr - Possible? Yes. However, due to the nature of the mechanics and parts available any AEG you have shooting like that won't last very long. I don't know about you, but I don't have the money to throw into new parts after every game.
PartNinja 6 months ago
@PartNinja If you know what to do then the parts will last.
60 RPS at 400 FPS puts about the stress of a 30 RPS 500 FPS gun (since you need a double sector gear) onto the piston, and some pistons, like modified Lonex or SHS pistons can do that, Siegetek Gears can handle the load no problem, and a rewound JG Blue motor will last too.
If you build the whole thing with a V2 and the shock transfer system, then the box will last too.
andromedarr 6 months ago
RiotSC's DSG is a much better gear
r2323r23 6 months ago 6
2:44
Earmuffin585 7 months ago
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Earmuffin585 7 months ago
I want it.
nufsikcarc 7 months ago
Shooting 15 Mags Later Shit im out of ammo
AUGSOM3 7 months ago in playlist Airsoft vids 2 13
he charges guns through his body! R-O-B-O-T A-L-I-E-N
1337xmod 7 months ago
do transcribe audio at 2:15
Endoabuser 7 months ago
it sounds like a gas gun.
Shneeeidz 7 months ago
HOLLLYYY SHIITTTTT
MrAKdawg 7 months ago
am N LOVE AM GONNA SHOVE THOSE GEARS UP MY ASS WIT NO LUBE AND THAN MAKE SWEET SWEET LOVE TO IT IN MY GUN
PERFECT TWO HUNDRED FPS ILL JUST USE IT AT INSIGHT INTERACTIVE
TAT2TEAMMATEKYLE 7 months ago
AHAHAAHAHAH tats awesome i bet tat looks like silly string coming out the barrel!!!
hdst77 7 months ago
I'm not on anyone's side, but the systema turbo motor is fast. But it is also vvvveeeerrrryyyy overpriced. You can pick up a shs high speed motor for a fraction of the price and still almost match the performance and surpass the quality IMO. It's pathetic you pay $100 and have to replace the pinion gear. Not a huge deal, but something you shouldn't have to do.
Back to the video, this is an insult to DSG set-ups everywhere. I would take riots over these any day.
Invincible960 7 months ago
Spazz: (hold 8)
Charkzilla20 7 months ago
I have a 15rps p90. Will this gear set have that lower fps effect as much on a slower gun?
Charkzilla20 8 months ago
@Charkzilla20 the way these work is by pulling the piston halfway to increase how many times you can shoot it in one second. but it will lower the fps substantially. This next part is not a fact its what im thinking... I think the gun might be shooting so fast that before the bb leaves the barrel the piston is already getting compressed again leading to the dreaded "barrel suck". thats just me thinking so dont take that as a fact
th3airsofttitan 7 months ago
id take riots over modify but the seem nice...and it really isnt hard to achieve over 30 rps with standard gears...
r2323r23 8 months ago
imagine that with blockback!
SeigeAirsoftUk 8 months ago
but how much money does it cost to fire that weapon for 12 seconds?
TheBeastieBoyz 8 months ago
my sr7 shoots that fast on just a 9.6v. But geez that gear set is amazing
goconnell44 8 months ago
my gun shoots 23 rps with stock motor and 9,6v :D:D:D
TheHekaa 8 months ago
Only 38 on a dsg with an 11.1v?
TheWhaznx 8 months ago
DSG running below 50rps is not good... get a tech that knows how to build DSG setups. my first attempt was 55rps, my current is 60 rps @ 330 fps.
g3tr00t3d 8 months ago 3
Where can you buy the special bushings for these pre-shimmed gearsets?
FuckingOwnd 8 months ago
is this also a shimmless gear set?
605BigNick 8 months ago
@605BigNick theres no such a thing as shimmless gear set
TheHekaa 8 months ago
@TheHekaa kwa has some shimless gearboxes....vfc's spur has a spring under i think
r2323r23 8 months ago
@r2323r23 KWA's "self shimming gears" really do require shimming though otherwise they fail from what I've read. VFC's require shimming as well although the spring on the spur gear is supposed to make it easier to shim.
boredgunner 7 months ago
@boredgunner ya thats what im getting at..i do not like kwa..they dont seem to get it...and hello there fellow forumer
r2323r23 7 months ago
HOLLLLLLY F...........
SethHertzog 8 months ago
on that bombshell.... lol, I figured the piston would be floating "not completing a full cycle" thus the low fps,
still absolutely badass
hvguy 8 months ago
so will this break my gen 4 gearbox 2011 s system?
footballmike56 8 months ago
2 things to imagine:
1. Blow back on this gun
2. Noveske flash hider
THAT, would be insane
rawberger 8 months ago
hmm, standard stroke piston on a 9.6 shoots 37..on a 11.1 its around 43....
fanofCOH 9 months ago
this should be counted as cheating in an airsoft game!
NewBloodAirsoft 9 months ago
i wounder how fast it would be with the systema turbo motor in it with those gears lol!!!
doubletapm4 9 months ago
@doubletapm4 your a noob...
fanofCOH 9 months ago
@fanofCOH this noob will fuck you up...
doubletapm4 9 months ago
@doubletapm4 haha mmmkay. but seeing as you think this is fast, you have stated your noobness...
fanofCOH 9 months ago
and you also seem to think systema parts are godly. they blow.....
fanofCOH 9 months ago 2
@fanofCOH dont be mad you cant afford them ass clown.... i know for fact that the turbo motor rips!!!!!!! i have been using it for 7 months now without a problem!!!! so fuck off and go key a smart ass with some one else
doubletapm4 9 months ago
@doubletapm4 you know, running a gun at 36rps on a 9.6 speaks for itself. systema motors suck and are not sprinkled with pixy dust. i belive the turbo is 22turns of 16ga wire using dry ferite magnets. in otherwords, a ACM motor will deliver the same performance. on top of that, the systema armature design is backwards and can cause the coils to explode. the pinions are much to soft and the aluminum enbels/sticks cause shorting. their shitty arse proprietary brushes also such-they burn to easy
fanofCOH 9 months ago
press the 8 key fast and if there was a girl in front of him that would be epic.
MrCougarman45 9 months ago
what type of spring is in the gun?
royalfrykingmaster99 9 months ago
Would you be able to Ship these over to the Uk once you have them instock?
goon189 9 months ago
which g4 is that??
RudeXBoii 9 months ago
2:43 tactical airsoft witch laugh :)
fireandflames1674 9 months ago 37
@fireandflames1674 I clicked that about 20 times lol...
awesomejoe12 7 months ago
KWAs are slow out of the box, G&P will completely outdo it in performance with the same battery.
JEAirs0ft 10 months ago
@JEAirs0ft My VFC came stock 32bbs a second with 360fps. That is with a 11.1 li-polly.
EvolutionSportsCA 9 months ago
@EvolutionSportsCA Exactly, KWA isn't that much special.
JEAirs0ft 9 months ago
The fastest shooting AEG out of the box is Marui Hi-Cycle not G&P...
ScrewIntel 10 months ago
tim is wrong, the fastest shooting guns out of the box are g&p :P
0mgwtfbbq21 10 months ago
will it shoot 2 shots at semi then? thumps up so that they can see this!
TheAirsoftgeek1 10 months ago
almost the same as Siegetek ?
Doomcommin 10 months ago
@Doomcommin Not even close. RiotSC DSG gears (Same as Siegtek, just different name) are WAAAAAAAYYY better than this. visit (w ww) (dawt) airsoftmechanics (dawt) (co m) and read about DSG setups.
CertifiedRapeCannon 2 months ago
I want that set really bad though :c
Are they making it now?
SP1TT3R 10 months ago
@SP1TT3R Get a set of RiotSC's DSG gears instead. they are much better. by several times.
CertifiedRapeCannon 2 months ago
hey tim what motor were you using and what spring?
HotPocketAirsoft 10 months ago
i need Drum Mag for this shit
Assassin9D 10 months ago
Top Gear for Airsoft! My dreams have come true!
MrIchhabehunger 10 months ago 39
@MrIchhabehunger get riot sc gears. wayyyy better
TeamSpecOpsAirsoft 9 months ago
@MrIchhabehunger more like wet dream, haha
TheGoodstuff69 8 months ago
thats over 9000!!!!
isuckatskating100 10 months ago
What was the rps on that stock KWA? Also were you using a 9.6?
FKRairsoft 10 months ago
@FKRairsoft
Dude he says it in the video, pay attention next time.
Breakneckhydra1 10 months ago
Imagine if you have this gearset and a hi-speed motor. Bushtrimming?
camo03 10 months ago
@camo03 That wont work. To get about 330FPS, you need M150 or higher Springs, and no High Speed Motor will pull that
andromedarr 10 months ago
@andromedarr Oh, okay... So that means that this gearset + a hi-speed motor = very low fps? I feel that I'm getting something wrong. If I do. Would you mind correcting me? Thanks for the info btw.
camo03 10 months ago
Yes, correct.
A High Speed Motor will pull about an M110 with decent rate of fire, even with a DSG, and that will result in between 150 and 285 FPS, depending on if you are using a springguide spacer.
If you want a real bush-trimmer airsoftgun, get an M190+ Spring, the SC Dual Sector Gear, and use a high Torque Motor, like an AMP High Torque or Systema Magnum.
A guy achieved 55 Rounds per Second with about 380 FPS with M190, AMP HTe and SC Gears. But you have to know what you are doing :)
andromedarr 10 months ago
@andromedarr Indeed^^. I'm taking notes of what you just wrote! Thanks again!
camo03 10 months ago
@andromedarr 88rps at 400 FPS was achieved on a RiotSC. Pretty sure it was an ACM HT motor though.
CertifiedRapeCannon 2 months ago
@CertifiedRapeCannon Oh, wow that is pretty damn fast. Do you know anything about the 100 RPS DSG? I heared someone wanted to try that with a 6 Tooth DSG and a spacered M170. Is the 100 RPS mark cracked or still not reached?
andromedarr 2 months ago
@andromedarr Major9 on Airsoft Mechanics supposedly achieved 98RPS. Not sure on the exact setup, but I know the motor was a JG Blue torque and he burned that out I believe. M9 had a sale thread selling a bunch of the parts he used in that build. (gears, piston) It lasted like 200 rounds (?) not sure exactly.
CertifiedRapeCannon 2 months ago
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RPZB96 10 months ago
@camo03 the general rule of thumb is that your velocity is effectivly halved in this setup. using the spring guide spacer you retain approximatly .64% of your springs ability. that still means that you need a beefy spring to achive a usable fps. high speed motors cannot pull the beefy springs required.
fanofCOH 10 months ago
@fanofCOH Thank you for knowing your stuff before posting useless shit like these noobs. I applaud you, sir.
CertifiedRapeCannon 2 months ago
@CertifiedRapeCannon haha its my due pleasure!
fanofCOH 2 months ago
Modify IS MAKING THIS GEARSET. I'm sure airsoftgi already has the gearset in there hands they are just waiting to put it on shelves.
theoldmacarooni8 11 months ago
Lol'd at topgear
faultybrain387 11 months ago
do lipos ruin your gears
fray1234jkl84032 11 months ago
@fray1234jkl84032 li poly does not ruin your gears. its the wear and tear that the li poly brings. With a faster fire rate, more strain on the gear box.
theebeebster72 10 months ago
I love him just spraying the stock gun
airsoftkid01 11 months ago
haha are you guys serious? i own a dual sector and know how it works lolol. i have the roit sc ones which are better than the modify shit. all im saying is that asgi doesnt know about dual sector gears (or at least enough to make a good dsg gun) check out this video its not mine but its way faster than asgi's. and of course its impornant about being a good tech. a shitty tech gets 38 rps on a dual sector with 200fps haha
airsofterzz 11 months ago
@airsofterzz type in 58rps in the search and its the first one
airsofterzz 11 months ago
@airsofterzz i think they were just dropping in the gears, they didn't redo the whole gearbox. anyone who's got 45+ rps has replaced just about every stock part.
luketmosley 11 months ago
@airsofterzz yes that is most likly right. but u cant just drop in a dsg and say it doesnt work
airsofterzz 11 months ago
looks like ur having fun tim
longngo12 11 months ago
NOW that would be a good CQB gun!
PerryOpsAirsoft 11 months ago
@airsofterzz you muda. You talk shit if you don't like the badass asgi then YOU FUCK OFF AND STOP WATCHING THERE VIDEOS AND LOOKING AT THERE GUNS
Richayh 1 year ago
im so tired of asgi. their techs suck so bad. they dont know anything. hell, they put metal piston heads on their high speed setups haha. and only 38 rps? on a dual sector gear? wow. and how does the fps not hold up? ive seen 65 rps shoot consistsnt 380 fps. asgi is crap. dont send them your guns for upgrades. send them to someone with more tech know-how
airsofterzz 1 year ago
@airsofterzz Your shit. Your fucking bad at life and you should stop trolling cause you don't know what the fuck your talking about. ASGI is a good and trustworthy retailer with great techs. Maybe you should stop riding peoples dicks all the time and get a life you fucking pile of shit.
AbovtheBSproductions 11 months ago
@AbovtheBSproductions 38RPS is well below the average DSG build. typical DSG builds are 50~60RPS at 320~380FPS. ASGI's techs aren't as good as you think they are.
CertifiedRapeCannon 2 months ago
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AbovtheBSproductions 11 months ago
@AbovtheBSproductions whoa hey now no need to get feisty. i just think its sad that 38 rps on a dsg is not that good. people have achieved much higher
airsofterzz 11 months ago
@airsofterzz Seems you don't understand anything about mechanics... It's not about being a shit technician or not, its just that sector gear has less teeths than a normal sector gear, but they just duplicate them. That cause the piston to NOT FULLY COMPRESS the spring which causes that the gun isn't as strong as it should be.
On the counterpart, you obtain a lot of cycles.
virusofthedeath 11 months ago
@virusofthedeath He understands plently, I bet. Probably more than you. Just because the DSG only compresses 1/2way, doesn't mean you have to have 200FPS. If you have a perfect airseal, use an SP170 or similar spring, and a high torque motor along with an 11.1V 30C+ lipo, with a tuned gearbox with a cylinder that matches barrel volume, you will see much higher RPS and a normal FPS. A typical DSG build is 50~60RPS at 320~380FPS. Know your stuff before you flame people.
CertifiedRapeCannon 2 months ago
@CertifiedRapeCannon NO. Half stroking doesn't enhance or help anything. Putting a 170 spring and half stroke it will just cause that you wont fill the barrel/cylinder enough to push your bb on a m4 barrel, if its smaller it may work, but whats the difference between putting an 170 half stroke, and putting an 120 full stroke? NO DIFFERENCE.
If your issue is rate of fire, put a better motor, low ratio gears, and a 11,1 battery with a nice discharge rate. I run a gun with 1:13 ratio gears = 40 RPS
virusofthedeath 2 months ago
@virusofthedeath There is a difference. The half stroking and M170 spring will give you much more return rate. And it wont put as much strain on the pickupteeth on the piston and gear. You can not run a single sector gear as reliable as a dual sector gear at high ROFs.
andromedarr 2 months ago
@virusofthedeath Do you understand how a dual sector gear works? There is two sets of teeth on opposite sides of the gear, so it fires twice on one cycle. It has to be a half stroke otherwise there would be teeth around the whole thing. If you had a lower power spring with the DSG, your piston would be raped by pre-engagment.
CertifiedRapeCannon 2 months ago
want
hunterbc2 1 year ago
G&P's have the highest ROF out of the box.
c2thedub14 1 year ago
/watch?v=Lk61EXhUK1o This kind of performance you can get from Siegetek's dualsector gear.. That guy has ran that gun for several K rounds and nothing has broken yet.
Maekiii 1 year ago
where do you find riot sc gears
also i thought systema was faster than kwa Just food for thought
cheeselover109 1 year ago
where do you find riot sc gears
cheeselover109 1 year ago
In my opinion, that speed reduces realism...
kapisko1PL 1 year ago
dose it wear your gun out 2x faster
zippoboy123 1 year ago
30rps @ 385fps with a big 8.4/small 9.6. 49rps on lipo...
fanofCOH 1 year ago
thats minigun fast! and nice top gear ender
LyPatrick 1 year ago
@LyPatrick The echo 1 minigun shoots 50RPS. If they had bothered to use RiotSC DSG gears and tune it correctly, they could have gotten 60+RPS.
CertifiedRapeCannon 2 months ago
thats a TOP GEAR end
"on that bombshell" thats topgear
rammsteinlover1337 1 year ago
im afraid to know what this thing or the asgi high speed p90 would shoot on the life-po battery from madbull. makes me wonder what that would do to a tokyo marui high cycle gun as well...
HrZD16 1 year ago
pause at 2:46 and look at tims face XD
ligitxsnipezx 1 year ago
@ligitxsnipezx lmao
AIRSOFTHITMAN88 1 year ago
a couple more genius parts and a gun will shoot OVER 9000!!!!!! bps☺
r2323r23 1 year ago
If someone could answer, if i wanted to make a gun around 30+ rps by changing the spring to like 280fps, would that make it faster and more reliable than 350-400 fps?
AirsoftGunsAndBbGuns 1 year ago
@AirsoftGunsAndBbGuns shorter KWA gun, (G36, SR5, SR7, M4, M4 CQB) with systema M85 spring, either-high speed gears or systema turbo motor, ported piston head, good cylinder, good cylinder head, 11.1v lipo, good mosfet chip, good deans connectors and if that dosent do it a 2-3 tooth short stroke.
NO it will not be anywhere near as reliable as a 350-400 fps gun at 20bb/s
rayr84a63y42 1 year ago