Not really impressed by the hole.. It was a small hole which helped.. Curious why there wasn't anyone in the second floor pulling ceiling and putting water on the fire.. It was all in the attic go get it!!
@smokinredss Your original comment was that Paterson has no truss roof construction. I also do not need a building construction lesson either. Most of the new construction being built in Paterson is light weight truss construction.
@erheatingcooling I think its safe to say that the buildings that are burning in Paterson are not of truss construction. The newer buildings that are truss construction dont usually burn with the exception of 2 Jasper St which burned the other night.
@Livraddarn Unfinished attics are usually vented naturally anyway so there's no way to starve it completely. Ever notice the vents in the eaves or peaks of a roof? The bigger hole firefighters cut lets more heat out and at the top of the roof.
не, парни, я честно не понимаю!!! как можно начинать резать крышу, не имея при себе линии со стволом!?!?? так же можно зажариться там же всем звеном!!!
Typically not. When you vent a structure, you cut a hole at the highest point over the fire so the heat, smoke, and gasses can escape the structure. In a nutshell that's what venting is.
@nwvfd22 That makes sense in theory I guess haha. I still feel like it would jsut add to the fire, but I'm going to go ahead and trust the FF's on this one haha.
@SpartanicalSystem You are correct in that it adds Oxygen to the fire. That is why venting needs to be coordinated with an attack by a Engine Company with a hose. The Truck Co vent will release the smoke and heated gases which makes it easier for the Engine Co to A.) Have increased visibility in the compartment due to the release of the smoke, B.) The release of heated gasses and smoke will also cool the compartment down for better working conditions for the Engine Co.
@Prophecy1287 The Nordic Firemen carry a Big Ass Fan on the Back of the Truck to Force Draft the Building and thereby Blow alot of uncumbusted gases out of same as in their countries apartment bulidings and homes are seriously well sealed, creating great possabilities for 'Backdraft'... 'Good Call' l by the attending Officer ....
@SpartanicalSystem at that point 90% of the house is lost anway and whatever is left standing is just going to be demolished. so the idea of that fire growing isnt too big of an issue. plus at that point the idea would be to put the fire out, not save the house. if it were a room and contents fire, then thats a different story
Wouldnt it have been better to put the fucking fire out instead of making a new chimney! Fucking yank fire fighters making a meal of it as usual. Brits would have put the fire out in minutes not fucked about playing on the frigging roof. Dimwits!!!
@patch1610 Ouch, I guess I have been told. Hey patch, give me a Big Mac hold the pickle and a small fry. Can ya fry that up for me, huh? Make sure you wash your hands after scrubbing the urinals first.
@patch1610 Sorry ol patch, I see you are not able too use the fryer yet. I can talk too the chief and see if he can hire you to clean our shitters. I would hope you are qualified for that.
@ITFD1 Oh dear you really must get to grips with that bad grammer again, "not able TO use the fryers." Only one O in to. Not two. Now when Momma was raising you real good in the trailer, instead of entertaining those good ole boys from the Fire house, she should have used the money to buy you some education. Now carry on polishing those helmets dear chap, as Momma surely did.
Can someone explain to me whether theres certain jobs to apply for a firefighter,like, a job for ventilation,a job for search and rescue,a job for hose,? please reply
@ArmyStrong891 as far as i know there is interior and exterior, basically interior fights inside and does the ladders while exterior fights the fire from the outside. im sorry if this information is wrong but im only an explorer and do training atm
@ArmyStrong891 There are two components with fire fighting....Engine ops & Truck ops.
Engines carry hoses & water & put out the fire.
Trucks carry ladders & tools & perform support functions for the engine companies.
ie:ventilation is TRUCK work.- TRADITIONAL search & rescue is also TRUCK work.(although,life safety is EVERYONES responsibility and thus an engine crew may also perform this function)
Then my second thought was... F*ck "This Old House", let Bob Villa rebuild it, get the h*ll off the roof dudes. It looked very close to caving when the video stopped, i bet it didnt take long for it to collapse.
@LWPD327 how you see it now is how it looked once it was out. crews immediately went to work inside on the fire once the hole was cut. it was rebuilt a few months later.
I'm thinking from the first frame where i saw fire coming out the eaves it was time to get off, especially if it was a truss. "Never trust a truss" wasn't made up because it rhymes. Then when the fire came out the venting hole, i would KNOW that everything under me was fully exposed to the devils breath. Glad they all got off without the roof caving. Great job.You guys got balls, I'll say that.
Caffeine the vent like that to get heat and smoke off the guys making the attack in the building without venting they can't see shit and there is too much heat
Too many guys on the roof that no one should have been on, from the time the video starts you can see flames flickering out from under the eve ( so flame was on the roof from the inside) no one was footing the ladder for these men.......not judging just making some safety observations so we dont lose anymore brothers
@caffeineaddict100 Really? You think that they made the fire worse by providing vertical ventilation to the attic?Wouldn't you guess that there's an Engine operating a line on the 2nd floor, along with a Truck pulling ceilings in order to hit fire in the attic? So why wouldn't you want a vent hole then? I'd say they're using sound tactics and pretty textbook to me. Why, what would you suggest?
I wasn't there I can't armchair QB it but except for having only one ladder for egress, and that ladder being blocked by a guy on said ladder, great job guys. If you make a vent and fire is coming out like that, don't freak out, it's a good thing, means all that fire and smoke has a place to go, instead of spreading out and surrounding members. Good job Ladder 1.
@rhino6159 Judging how there is no smoke coming out of the doorway, this looks like it is the ceiling of the 2nd floor or the attic. Taking the windows would do absolutely didley squat. Learn to read smoke, and look at all options before just going with a tactic cause it's used all the time. Work smarter not harder.
I understand the whole procedure they wish to accomplish but for a roof vent 1) why didn't they use a cutter's edge or K-12 power saw 2) why such a huge crew of 3 FF's to cut a vent hole. its really a 1 man operation
@200JLH In Firefighter 1 or Firemanship 1 someone should have said--- NEVER use a K12 on a pitched roof... correct me if I am wrong but that looks like a pitched roof..
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@ljmb86 If it's not safe enough to be on top of, why would you want to be under it? There lies the fault in your logic. Truss frame is okay if you get to the fire and knock it down quickly. Same with being on top of it. If it is early enough in the fire stage, get up there, get your hole, and get off.
ya when you dont get good ventilation thats when firefighters die one of the first things they teach you in firefighter 1 is how to cut a 4x4 hole in the roof to let out all the gases when the fire comes out of the hole its a good thing when all the heat and gases stay trapped inside a flashover will happen and thats a bad thing try beeing in a unvented and vented house and see what one you want to be in and they wasnt in a rush to get down they did there job and was going to the next one
Gotta have topside ventilation, oh and a set of balls. Aggressive interior structural firefighting key word being interior, cant do it without a vent. Firefighting is an inherently dangerous job.
We use a team approach not every man for himself like these guys did. One guy per stage of ladder to hand things up and down with a person holding the ladder. Nobody took into consideration the last man on the roof! Very dangerous handing down a ladder with nobody there on the ladder to hand it down just like the tools! Like, come on! there were enough firefighters there to properly handle the situation. Most just watched. Heads would roll in my RURAL department if this scenario happened!
@erheatingcooling I used to live and work in Paterson how do you think i got there so quickly to film them venting? Wooden trusses werent invented until 1952 and with the majority of Paterson being built before that I would say there isnt "a lot of TRUSS construction" Know your history before you speak.
@smokinredss LIGHTWEIGHT wooden trusses may not have been invented until '52, but wooden trusses have been around for much longer. You need to be specific.
@ffjsb a truss is a truss is a truss. truss construction has been used for a long time in bridge construction but not house construction. this house that is on fire and 95% of the houses in Paterson are built with rafters. traditional lumber not lightweight truss or truss construction
@MMFFcoverSTANG There is a HUGE difference in Heavy and lightweight wood trusses. Lightweight wood trusses will fail in minutes. Heavy wood trusses typical of old commercial contruction are heavy timbers that can take an hour to burn through. I'm also not saying that those houses had trusses, it's obvious from the construction and age that they don't. I'm only talking about the differences in wood trusses.
PPA would have worked well without sending guys on the roof of that structure. A typical house today would need a much bigger hole than that to vent properly. Make a opening on the side if it didn't vent itself already, throw a fan in the door and walk to the fire and spray less than 100 gallons of water to knock it down. (thats if its not out by the time you get up to it). It amazes me how many departments dont use PPA. its been around since the 80s and its a lot safer than what they did here
PPA would have worked well without sending guys on the roof of that structure. A typical house today would need a much bigger hole than that to vent properly. Make a opening on the side if it didn't vent itself already, throw a fan in the door and walk to the fire and spray less than 100 gallons of water to knock it down. (thats if its not out by the time you get up to it). It amazes me how many departments dont use PPA. its been around since the 80s and its a lot safer than what they did here
i think an 1 1/2 through the attic access would have put the fire out and no hole would have been needed ...in 15 years, ive never seen a hole cut in a roof .... if the fire was too hot, it vented itself and if it was not very hot, we got it out with the hand lines... not saying it wasnt a great textbook cut, im just saying that we wouldnt have done it that way... thats just how we roll down here...
@usardave Well... Not quite textbook. The hole was made on the windward side of the ridge making things worse and that roof ladder was much too short rendering it useless had the roof burned through or caved in and finally, You dont need four guys to make a single hole that roof.... Delayed Egress!!
@usardave Well... Not quite textbook. The hole was made on the windward side of the ridge making things worse and that roof ladder was much too short rendering it useless had the roof burned through or caved in and finally, You dont need four guys to make a single hole that roof.... Delayed Egress!!
@usardave That text book was written 20 years ago. PPA you never have to put a guy on a roof. a 4 by 4 hole in a roof was what ben franklin created. a house today needs atleast a 10 by 10 hole in it. I'm not trying to bash you or anything but look up PPA and try to get your department to use it. Its a lot safe being able to see and walk to the fire ( not crawl). My department is a small rural one and it takes us less than 100 gallons to knock down a fire. Trust me it works
you can argue fire strategy and tactics all day long. but in this video, these truckies did a nice safe job. hopefully they sounded firmly as they got onto the roof. everything looks smooth and safe. im sure they were ready to come down just as the chief was yelling on the radio to get off.
the only thing is saw that i thought wasn't needed was the 3rd guy on the roof. it made maneuvering difficult in that small area.
@uwerewarned1 I didn't mean that the practice it's self is fail just the way it's being done here, maybe in about 5-10 years when things get caught up there you will begin to understand, we tend to put out the fire and right after "vent to prevent" flash over rather then adding fuel to the fire, we first starve it put it out then vent, most fires are put out in 1/3 to 1/4 the time of the national average of a working structure fire.
OK this is a dumb way of doing things and an old way proven not to work, it's amazing how some places are still behind on fire fighting methods, you don't put a hole in the roof so that the fire spreads faster, lol, what you do is break a hole in each end of the attic and spray in water at both ends at same time and the fire starves and is put out quickly.
@nitruswolf oh ok so when you have a building attached on both sides or an exposure separated by just inches your method will work? yeah i didnt think so. try again
@nitruswolf you didnt mention it wouldnt work in this situation thats why i brought up that scenario. your techniques i think are for more rural than urban departments
@smokinredss Where as I agree with you on this topic you discussed with Smokinredss I am offended by the statement you made about him being more rural than urban. I am rural though we also focus on urban you should have just said that he was wrong. and he was it's not rural vs urban the training is the same from one to another. I don't think you meant it this way but it almost sounds like you called him country lol. point he was just wrong.
@fireman66767 i myself am from a rural fire volunteer fire department in what alot of people would call farm country lol. by using rural i meant there is a substantial distance between 2 houses where you can stand on the side of a house and aim a line into the attic. this video is in paterson nj where alot of houses are separated by as little as a foot. a line to the attic from the outside simply wouldnt work
@ENG3INEMVFD he aint the first that cant see the roof ladder. i think alot of these comments are from guys who failed fire academy and our only kink chasers
@smokinredss Haha, wouldn't surprise me. I swear, I've seen some truly ridiculous comments on youtube. Gotta love the guys who failed the academy and the boys behind their computer screens. It'd be pretty funny to watch them walk onto a roof in full gear.
@granvilledrummer - What is this here? An admission of wrong?...on Youtube?? That's crazy talk. I almost fell out of my chair!
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Where do you think you are, buddy? Don't you know that no one ever admits when they are wrong on Youtube? :) This is the place where people argue for arguments' sake. LOL
@ArxVirtus LOL. what can i say? I like being 'normal'. i dont like talking all hardcore on the computer. It's kinda like the special olympics, even if I win, I'm still retarded.
@nitruswolf This is not proven "not to work" It is still taught by the TOP OF THE LINE fire academy's I am Captain and a graduate of KU fire academy Thats right Kansas Jayhawks KU fire academy.
This releases smoke and heated gasses there by cooling the building and preventing fire extension. An attack line should have been in place on this one but oh well. And you should never shoot water through anything at another team You could steam them those burns are BAD
@nitruswolf . Not exactly. as you can see when the truckies punch a hole and get a vent, fire is immediately blowing out. showing us it has been burning atleast 2 minutes. which as we all know is reaching the point of flashover. if it is wood trus roof it will likely flash in an estimated 5 mins. back to your method evidence shows the fire to have already been burning the roof, so that, in turn, weakens it.Water weighs 8.34 lbs per gallon,2 lines from either side pumping 1000 gal. per minute
@nitruswolf . 2 lines pumping 1000gals/min into the already weak roof, will inevitably cause a collapse, hampering interior operations, or worse killing firefighters. while i do agree with your method in certain situations, i do not however agree on this situation.
@nitruswolf The acutal strategy is to cut a trench, hole, what have you in an area ahead of the fire, so it burns up to that trench, douse the unburned side, then the heat escapes vertically and doesn't burn any farther into the structure. Proven technique, we do it often.
@woodmeister85 so which side of your theoretical trench cut would you support? looks to me like this attic is a little too small and just a tad too envolved to make a trench cut feasible.
@joeshmoe12301230 Indeed this one is a tish too small, I agree. Not the approach I would take, and obviously not the one that they are taking in this situation, I was simply applying the theory of the trench to show that it's not an outdated method. We can't tell from this video, but it's possible that they found the seat of the fire and cut directly above it to allow heat/gasses to rise out the vent instead of spreading. Can't see enough in this video.
@nitruswolf why the heck would you spray water into the hole you would just push more air to the fire. would also defeat the purpose of ventalating. keeping the smoke from exiting would only piss the in side crew off.
@nitruswolf why the heck would you spray water into the hole you would just push more air to the fire. would also defeat the purpose of ventalating. keeping the smoke from exiting would only piss the inside crew off. because your keeping all the heat and smoke inside
@nitruswolf why the heck would you spray water into the hole you would just push more air to the fire. would also defeat the purpose of ventalating. keeping the smoke from exiting would only piss the inside crew off. because your keeping all the heat and smoke inside.
@nitruswolf Yeah the fire will be starved of air and go out, but the heat is still there,and when air gets back into the attic ( lets say if a 4x8 secion of drywall ceilling falls from water weight ) you will have a flashover or a smoke exposion directly over the engine crew's heads!
@sertox12345 putting a hole in a roof lets all the heat from the fire escape. allowing the inside attack crew to make a faster and more efficient attack. if we didn't put a hole in the roof all those nasty gasses would just continue to heat up making more of a risk for explosive flashover.
Americans' think they know everything, however they don't know how to put out fire.!! talk about risk to life (firefighter life). i didn't see throughout this video a single squirt of water.
@lacrossetechnology If it was done right and I wasn't there so I cant say for sure. But, if it was done right the vent hole should not have been cut until the inside attack team was ready to put the water on the fire. That being said all the after spraying would have been on the inside.
roof ladder is the one that they carry down. it's designed to spread weight on the room so you don't fall through (unless the whole roof caves in of course). It hooks on the top of the roof and you stand on it.
You vent to clear smoke, reduce heat, and allow the team inside to attack the fire. You can not walk through a wall of 1200 degree heat to attack a fire, so venting the roof allows the heat that has built up to go UP, which is what heat does. The heated air going out blocks oxygen from coming in for awhile, usually long enough for the team inside to hit the fire and bring it down. And no, you don't put firemen on a roof above a fire that has burned for a long time. Structure isn't sound.
You vent to clear smoke, reduce heat, and allow the team inside to attack the fire. You can not walk through a wall of 1200 degree heat to attack a fire, so venting the roof allows the heat that has built up to go UP, which is what heat does. The heated air going out blocks oxygen from coming in for awhile, usually long enough for the team inside to hit the fire and bring it down. And no, you don't put firemen on a roof above a fire that has burned for a long time. Structure isn't sound.
The fire isn't really progressing until they ventilate the roof, then it starts to take off. You can see the fire is starved of oxygen, not burning very well with slow rolling smoke... But once the roof is opened up the gases trapped inside the roof space escape, oxygen is then drawn in and from then on the fire intensifies.
that didn't look right at all..to have FFs on the roof when the floor underneath you is engaged?...seems really STUPID...what happens when the roof gives way? ALL of them are going IN the FIRE...was this a negroe dept?
@rykember11 yea I know what venting is and why it's done, BUT it deosn't make sense to me and seems REALLY UNSAFE, IF the attic or floor or space (whatever you want to call it) DIRECTLY below the Roof is engulfed, to have FFs ON TOP of the roof, which COULD COLLAPSE at any moment, the RISKS seem WAY higher than the benefits....and I don't know what's going on BEHIND this house, but WHY can't they drag a line up front? IT doesn't appear the bottom floors are envolved
I thought firefighters were supposed to put out fires.
I don't see and water going on that house. I guess there is no point trying to put out the fire as the house is only made of wood and it's cheaper to let it burn and just rebuild the lot
@maxieslimshadey if you dont vent the roof/windows well enough then most all the oxygen will burn up. then there is still fuel and heat, as soon as oxygen is introduced a Flashover happens. if you have ventilation it keeps an air flow going so it doesnt make an explosion. check this video out "Daniel's Block Fire-BACKDRAFT"
@maxieslimshadey spraying water on the outside accomplishes nothing. you have to go inside, and spray water in there. theyre cutting a hole in the roof to drop the temperature inside the house. as you know, heat and smoke rise. so by giving it a chimney, it prevents it from heating the inside of the house like an oven, which can lead to bad burns, and kill people.
@CTFD13 This doesn't make sense??? Your just giving the fire more oxygen to burn making the fire larger generating more heat. And increasing the danger to fire fighters, public and other exposures. Would be out far quicker if they attacked the fire.
@titaniumr33gtst Its not just one crew working. The engine has stretched a line, and is going inside, and the truck crew goes to the roof to vent. Inside its very very hot, and you need to release some of that heat for the engine crew, so they can get to the main body of fire. Its all coordinated, and performed like clockwork. The fire is not getting enough oxygen in that amount of time to do much. Fire out of a vent hole is what you want. It means its not burning to either side.
@CTFD13 I can't see how this helps? Your giving it more oxygen making it burn harder, and vent hole just allows it to expel the burnt gases and draw in more oxygen behind it. The radiant heat off the larger fire now burning would cause the off gassing of materials around it and the fire would spread out anyhow.
@titaniumr33gtst Become a firefighter. Learn about the job. Perform the job. Its so hot inside, and were talkin around 1500 degrees, noone can make it, even with gear and an air pack. Hence the ventilation. Yes, the fire may flare up a little bit, BUT that is why you have the hose team in place INSIDE to fight the fire. Its all about teamwork, communication, and coordination. This type of thing is done all over the US and even the world. It works. Its been proven to work.
All the newbies take note of the eves puffing and the amount of fire coming out the hole. You have a good attic fire going, but wait.... theres more....look at the upper 1/4 of the wall where the siding is melting. See the fire in the wall, thats called balloon construction. Most likely they're chasing something from below. Good stop by the crews, its starting to get managable when that hole is clearing up.
by venting, you reduce the chance of backdraft and/or flashover. and if you see flames comming out of the vent, is because the hot fumes reach oxygen on the outside and ignite by themselves
Great job. Scary angle and really high up there. Now all they need is water on the fire. Johncan, you leave equipment when it is your life in danger. When you know what you are doing, have the experience, you bring it down with you. That is panic, what you are describing. Rungs above roof lines, guy blocking ladder? Real fires are different than text books. The "extra guy"? Nice to have someone there if you slip or need to hand down gear. Work a real fire on a steep roof, then comment.
these guys are retarded, you don't take the equipment with you if you are trying to escape a roof fire, just leave it. And the guy who was waiting on the ladder was slowing down the process of the others of getting off the roof.
it appears that you have three rungs above the roof line however, they wouldn't have gotten the angle they needed if they wanted more rungs over the roof.
So I'm saying to myself, they did a great job venting the roof but where is the engine company and the water? I see the lines out front on the sidewalk, so maybe the guys are already inside spraying?
Congrats for their responsible.....response. Lol. On second thought though, wouldn't opening a vent cause more oxygen to flood in and fuel the fire? Just a quick thost.
Who gives a shit about the ladder, get the fuck off the roof! Holding my breath the whole time.
Keith5Cats2 2 days ago
They got there vent, got off, made it to see another day, thats all that matters...
fyrefyter07 1 week ago
YAY Command! And the last guy saved the roof ladder too. Good job guys!
Moonchalice 1 week ago
Not really impressed by the hole.. It was a small hole which helped.. Curious why there wasn't anyone in the second floor pulling ceiling and putting water on the fire.. It was all in the attic go get it!!
gatorsKC 2 weeks ago
fake
smellycatpoop 2 weeks ago
@smokinredss Your original comment was that Paterson has no truss roof construction. I also do not need a building construction lesson either. Most of the new construction being built in Paterson is light weight truss construction.
erheatingcooling 3 weeks ago
@erheatingcooling I think its safe to say that the buildings that are burning in Paterson are not of truss construction. The newer buildings that are truss construction dont usually burn with the exception of 2 Jasper St which burned the other night.
smokinredss 3 weeks ago
why is it necessary to vent the roof? isnt it better to kill the fire by not giving it air?
Livraddarn 3 weeks ago
@Livraddarn it vents the hot air inside so that inside is alittle more tolerable for those fighting the fire inside
capt1551 3 weeks ago
@Livraddarn Unfinished attics are usually vented naturally anyway so there's no way to starve it completely. Ever notice the vents in the eaves or peaks of a roof? The bigger hole firefighters cut lets more heat out and at the top of the roof.
ffjsb 3 weeks ago
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SunArthurCity 1 month ago
why are there so many monday morning courterbacks!!!!???? none of you were there and dont know the situation so shut your mouths and learn something
BrianRossHutchison 1 month ago
не, парни, я честно не понимаю!!! как можно начинать резать крышу, не имея при себе линии со стволом!?!?? так же можно зажариться там же всем звеном!!!
13zhuk 1 month ago
good job guys...no one got hurt as far as i can see in the video... successful ventilation if you ask me.
djchero69 1 month ago
I still watch U.S Firefighters with disbelief,if my OIC ordered me to do that I would tell him to fuck off......
mugsey466 1 month ago
@prophecy1287 is right that's how i am trained. Its a lot more then just put the wet stuff on the red stuff.
xcoldxlimit 1 month ago
Someone explain venting to me...I feel like you are just giving the fire and embers MORE oxygen.
SpartanicalSystem 2 months ago
@SpartanicalSystem
Typically not. When you vent a structure, you cut a hole at the highest point over the fire so the heat, smoke, and gasses can escape the structure. In a nutshell that's what venting is.
nwvfd22 2 months ago
@nwvfd22 That makes sense in theory I guess haha. I still feel like it would jsut add to the fire, but I'm going to go ahead and trust the FF's on this one haha.
SpartanicalSystem 1 month ago
@SpartanicalSystem You are correct in that it adds Oxygen to the fire. That is why venting needs to be coordinated with an attack by a Engine Company with a hose. The Truck Co vent will release the smoke and heated gases which makes it easier for the Engine Co to A.) Have increased visibility in the compartment due to the release of the smoke, B.) The release of heated gasses and smoke will also cool the compartment down for better working conditions for the Engine Co.
Prophecy1287 1 month ago 3
@Prophecy1287 The Nordic Firemen carry a Big Ass Fan on the Back of the Truck to Force Draft the Building and thereby Blow alot of uncumbusted gases out of same as in their countries apartment bulidings and homes are seriously well sealed, creating great possabilities for 'Backdraft'... 'Good Call' l by the attending Officer ....
malachy1847 1 week ago
@SpartanicalSystem and finally C.) The added oxygen can make a hidden fire grow and be found easier by the Engine Company
Prophecy1287 1 month ago
@SpartanicalSystem at that point 90% of the house is lost anway and whatever is left standing is just going to be demolished. so the idea of that fire growing isnt too big of an issue. plus at that point the idea would be to put the fire out, not save the house. if it were a room and contents fire, then thats a different story
DoggyFreshJr 1 month ago
@DoggyFreshJr Exposure....???
Diamond7l 1 month ago
thats it guys! give the fire more oxygen!
blobbergobber 2 months ago
That was intense!
roadsideray 2 months ago
@jslav858 you dont want to be blowing water in from the top because you would be blowing it back at whoever may be inside
erskj123 2 months ago
Wouldnt it have been better to put the fucking fire out instead of making a new chimney! Fucking yank fire fighters making a meal of it as usual. Brits would have put the fire out in minutes not fucked about playing on the frigging roof. Dimwits!!!
patch1610 2 months ago
@patch1610 Obviously you are not a Firefighter!!! You vent too release Heat and Toxic smoke, then you use less water too hit the fire Idiot!!!
ITFD1 2 months ago
@ITFD1 And you sir are no scholar, the word TOO has been incorrectly used, it should be TO and there was no need to put a capital I in idiot.
patch1610 2 months ago
@patch1610 Ouch, I guess I have been told. Hey patch, give me a Big Mac hold the pickle and a small fry. Can ya fry that up for me, huh? Make sure you wash your hands after scrubbing the urinals first.
ITFD1 2 months ago
@patch1610 Sorry ol patch, I see you are not able too use the fryer yet. I can talk too the chief and see if he can hire you to clean our shitters. I would hope you are qualified for that.
ITFD1 2 months ago
@ITFD1 Oh dear you really must get to grips with that bad grammer again, "not able TO use the fryers." Only one O in to. Not two. Now when Momma was raising you real good in the trailer, instead of entertaining those good ole boys from the Fire house, she should have used the money to buy you some education. Now carry on polishing those helmets dear chap, as Momma surely did.
patch1610 2 months ago
Hear that clanging sound? Its the brass balls on these guys as they are walking :^) All the keyboard commandos please hush now.
bkymic 3 months ago
I thought ventilation is bad... starve the fire to help keep it under control
danwat1234 3 months ago
@danwat1234 You have to be able to see, and venting keeps the temperature down inside the structure. However venting with no water is bad
ZackHendo 3 months ago
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Dalesr4ever 2 months ago
@armystrong89 Firefighters are assigned jobs once they arrive, the basic training you receive teaches you how to complete most assignments
aaronkundla 3 months ago
what about a bit of brit gas cooling...?
firemon2217 4 months ago
Can someone explain to me whether theres certain jobs to apply for a firefighter,like, a job for ventilation,a job for search and rescue,a job for hose,? please reply
ArmyStrong891 4 months ago
@ArmyStrong891 as far as i know there is interior and exterior, basically interior fights inside and does the ladders while exterior fights the fire from the outside. im sorry if this information is wrong but im only an explorer and do training atm
DartzProductions 4 months ago
@ArmyStrong891 There are two components with fire fighting....Engine ops & Truck ops.
Engines carry hoses & water & put out the fire.
Trucks carry ladders & tools & perform support functions for the engine companies.
ie:ventilation is TRUCK work.- TRADITIONAL search & rescue is also TRUCK work.(although,life safety is EVERYONES responsibility and thus an engine crew may also perform this function)
Hoselines are ENGINE work.
25mfd 2 months ago
Then my second thought was... F*ck "This Old House", let Bob Villa rebuild it, get the h*ll off the roof dudes. It looked very close to caving when the video stopped, i bet it didnt take long for it to collapse.
LWPD327 5 months ago
@LWPD327 how you see it now is how it looked once it was out. crews immediately went to work inside on the fire once the hole was cut. it was rebuilt a few months later.
MMFFcoverSTANG 4 months ago
I'm thinking from the first frame where i saw fire coming out the eaves it was time to get off, especially if it was a truss. "Never trust a truss" wasn't made up because it rhymes. Then when the fire came out the venting hole, i would KNOW that everything under me was fully exposed to the devils breath. Glad they all got off without the roof caving. Great job.You guys got balls, I'll say that.
LWPD327 5 months ago
Nice that they cut the hole and got the hell outta there.
Seen too many vids where guys cut the hole and then kinda hang around on the roof,smokin' & jokin'.
Get up there.
Cut the hole.
Get outta there.
3hzteams 5 months ago 6
Caffeine the vent like that to get heat and smoke off the guys making the attack in the building without venting they can't see shit and there is too much heat
INF116 5 months ago
take the attic vents and move the line in. no need for men on a peaked roof.
ShawnyMartin 5 months ago
Too many guys on the roof that no one should have been on, from the time the video starts you can see flames flickering out from under the eve ( so flame was on the roof from the inside) no one was footing the ladder for these men.......not judging just making some safety observations so we dont lose anymore brothers
CajunFireman225 6 months ago
Other than not having a secondary means of egress, it looks like a pretty textbook vertical ventilation. Good job.
justinb911 6 months ago
they just made the fire worse guess they just want to make the fire tougher to fight lol
caffeineaddict100 6 months ago
@caffeineaddict100 Really? You think that they made the fire worse by providing vertical ventilation to the attic?Wouldn't you guess that there's an Engine operating a line on the 2nd floor, along with a Truck pulling ceilings in order to hit fire in the attic? So why wouldn't you want a vent hole then? I'd say they're using sound tactics and pretty textbook to me. Why, what would you suggest?
azul8811 6 months ago
@azul8811 because there giving the fire more oxygen to burn i know thats the way they do it everywhere but i dont see the logic in that
caffeineaddict100 6 months ago
I wasn't there I can't armchair QB it but except for having only one ladder for egress, and that ladder being blocked by a guy on said ladder, great job guys. If you make a vent and fire is coming out like that, don't freak out, it's a good thing, means all that fire and smoke has a place to go, instead of spreading out and surrounding members. Good job Ladder 1.
Himdarling44 6 months ago
take the windows out. just as effective
rhino6159 6 months ago
@rhino6159 Judging how there is no smoke coming out of the doorway, this looks like it is the ceiling of the 2nd floor or the attic. Taking the windows would do absolutely didley squat. Learn to read smoke, and look at all options before just going with a tactic cause it's used all the time. Work smarter not harder.
Himdarling44 6 months ago
brave people i would hate getting on a 2 story house without a fire but they get on it and theres a fire going through it like its nothing
joeldude76 6 months ago
I understand the whole procedure they wish to accomplish but for a roof vent 1) why didn't they use a cutter's edge or K-12 power saw 2) why such a huge crew of 3 FF's to cut a vent hole. its really a 1 man operation
200JLH 7 months ago
@200JLH i started the video late. they had already cut the hole using a saw and were knocking it in with an axe
smokinredss 6 months ago
@200JLH its really a two man OP. one to cut, one to monitor conditions/ provide stability to the cutting FF.
thebleedenator 6 months ago
@200JLH its a 2 man operation
27blax 2 months ago
@200JLH In Firefighter 1 or Firemanship 1 someone should have said--- NEVER use a K12 on a pitched roof... correct me if I am wrong but that looks like a pitched roof..
GamerMail4Lee 1 month ago
@200JLH Firefighting is NEVER "a one man operation" its all about team work.
gunner18ful 1 month ago
@200JLH Roof operations are NOT a 1 person job. especially on a pitched roof.
Caddo70 1 month ago
patterson has truss roofs. just not in DWELLINGS. like this one.
XXwoody11 7 months ago
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Yea or the fire will flash from room to room cus the heat has nowhere to escape
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wwwtotalitaerde 8 months ago
to much trust in the truss frame
ljmb86 8 months ago
@ljmb86 If it's not safe enough to be on top of, why would you want to be under it? There lies the fault in your logic. Truss frame is okay if you get to the fire and knock it down quickly. Same with being on top of it. If it is early enough in the fire stage, get up there, get your hole, and get off.
Himdarling44 6 months ago
ya when you dont get good ventilation thats when firefighters die one of the first things they teach you in firefighter 1 is how to cut a 4x4 hole in the roof to let out all the gases when the fire comes out of the hole its a good thing when all the heat and gases stay trapped inside a flashover will happen and thats a bad thing try beeing in a unvented and vented house and see what one you want to be in and they wasnt in a rush to get down they did there job and was going to the next one
Xqurst 8 months ago
Balls of steel!
splinter413 8 months ago
And that's why so many firefighters die...
Aftershock2OO8 8 months ago
shoulda got off at 0:20
enginedog 9 months ago
Soon as the fire was showing from under the eaves its time to think about getting off the roof. Good call by command.
mathiastheok 9 months ago
Gotta have topside ventilation, oh and a set of balls. Aggressive interior structural firefighting key word being interior, cant do it without a vent. Firefighting is an inherently dangerous job.
RES1CUEB 9 months ago
We use a team approach not every man for himself like these guys did. One guy per stage of ladder to hand things up and down with a person holding the ladder. Nobody took into consideration the last man on the roof! Very dangerous handing down a ladder with nobody there on the ladder to hand it down just like the tools! Like, come on! there were enough firefighters there to properly handle the situation. Most just watched. Heads would roll in my RURAL department if this scenario happened!
marathonmikethenewf 9 months ago
Why are they standing on the roof of an INVOLVED fucking truss frame anyways?
kerethan 9 months ago 8
@kerethan paterson doesnt have any TRUSS roof construction.
smokinredss 8 months ago 6
@smokinredss smart ppl^^^
sebass03 4 months ago
@smokinredss Paterson has a lot of TRUSS construction. Im not sure where your from but know the area before you speak.
erheatingcooling 3 weeks ago
@erheatingcooling I used to live and work in Paterson how do you think i got there so quickly to film them venting? Wooden trusses werent invented until 1952 and with the majority of Paterson being built before that I would say there isnt "a lot of TRUSS construction" Know your history before you speak.
smokinredss 3 weeks ago
@smokinredss LIGHTWEIGHT wooden trusses may not have been invented until '52, but wooden trusses have been around for much longer. You need to be specific.
ffjsb 3 weeks ago
@ffjsb a truss is a truss is a truss. truss construction has been used for a long time in bridge construction but not house construction. this house that is on fire and 95% of the houses in Paterson are built with rafters. traditional lumber not lightweight truss or truss construction
MMFFcoverSTANG 3 weeks ago
@MMFFcoverSTANG There is a HUGE difference in Heavy and lightweight wood trusses. Lightweight wood trusses will fail in minutes. Heavy wood trusses typical of old commercial contruction are heavy timbers that can take an hour to burn through. I'm also not saying that those houses had trusses, it's obvious from the construction and age that they don't. I'm only talking about the differences in wood trusses.
ffjsb 3 weeks ago
@ffjsb i dont think anyone was arguing the difference in heavy and lightweight. we can agree truss' suck. for firefighters anyway
smokinredss 3 weeks ago
@kerethan
It's called ventilation. When the house is on fire, the roof is almost always ventilated.
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e7pfd 4 months ago
PPA would have worked well without sending guys on the roof of that structure. A typical house today would need a much bigger hole than that to vent properly. Make a opening on the side if it didn't vent itself already, throw a fan in the door and walk to the fire and spray less than 100 gallons of water to knock it down. (thats if its not out by the time you get up to it). It amazes me how many departments dont use PPA. its been around since the 80s and its a lot safer than what they did here
XtraDoce 10 months ago
PPA would have worked well without sending guys on the roof of that structure. A typical house today would need a much bigger hole than that to vent properly. Make a opening on the side if it didn't vent itself already, throw a fan in the door and walk to the fire and spray less than 100 gallons of water to knock it down. (thats if its not out by the time you get up to it). It amazes me how many departments dont use PPA. its been around since the 80s and its a lot safer than what they did here
XtraDoce 10 months ago
Good ventilation! where is the water?
jslav858 10 months ago 8
i think an 1 1/2 through the attic access would have put the fire out and no hole would have been needed ...in 15 years, ive never seen a hole cut in a roof .... if the fire was too hot, it vented itself and if it was not very hot, we got it out with the hand lines... not saying it wasnt a great textbook cut, im just saying that we wouldnt have done it that way... thats just how we roll down here...
93CFD 11 months ago
I got the fire going, hand me the hot dogs.
winterka100 11 months ago
Text book roof ventilation, nice job L1 ! And to those that think not , you show your ignorance and inexperience.
usardave 11 months ago
@usardave Well... Not quite textbook. The hole was made on the windward side of the ridge making things worse and that roof ladder was much too short rendering it useless had the roof burned through or caved in and finally, You dont need four guys to make a single hole that roof.... Delayed Egress!!
gwolke 11 months ago
@usardave Well... Not quite textbook. The hole was made on the windward side of the ridge making things worse and that roof ladder was much too short rendering it useless had the roof burned through or caved in and finally, You dont need four guys to make a single hole that roof.... Delayed Egress!!
gwolke 11 months ago
@usardave That text book was written 20 years ago. PPA you never have to put a guy on a roof. a 4 by 4 hole in a roof was what ben franklin created. a house today needs atleast a 10 by 10 hole in it. I'm not trying to bash you or anything but look up PPA and try to get your department to use it. Its a lot safe being able to see and walk to the fire ( not crawl). My department is a small rural one and it takes us less than 100 gallons to knock down a fire. Trust me it works
XtraDoce 10 months ago
you can argue fire strategy and tactics all day long. but in this video, these truckies did a nice safe job. hopefully they sounded firmly as they got onto the roof. everything looks smooth and safe. im sure they were ready to come down just as the chief was yelling on the radio to get off.
the only thing is saw that i thought wasn't needed was the 3rd guy on the roof. it made maneuvering difficult in that small area.
stay safe fellas
joeshmoe12301230 11 months ago
@uwerewarned1 I didn't mean that the practice it's self is fail just the way it's being done here, maybe in about 5-10 years when things get caught up there you will begin to understand, we tend to put out the fire and right after "vent to prevent" flash over rather then adding fuel to the fire, we first starve it put it out then vent, most fires are put out in 1/3 to 1/4 the time of the national average of a working structure fire.
nitruswolf 11 months ago
okay well im certainly no fireman and dont really know what im talking about but that didnt look like a good idea?
csc9950 11 months ago
OK this is a dumb way of doing things and an old way proven not to work, it's amazing how some places are still behind on fire fighting methods, you don't put a hole in the roof so that the fire spreads faster, lol, what you do is break a hole in each end of the attic and spray in water at both ends at same time and the fire starves and is put out quickly.
nitruswolf 11 months ago
@nitruswolf oh ok so when you have a building attached on both sides or an exposure separated by just inches your method will work? yeah i didnt think so. try again
smokinredss 11 months ago 9
@smokinredss Where is this attached building you speak of?
Sure not in all instances would it work, I was referring to the specific situation in this video.
nitruswolf 11 months ago
@nitruswolf you didnt mention it wouldnt work in this situation thats why i brought up that scenario. your techniques i think are for more rural than urban departments
smokinredss 11 months ago
@smokinredss Where as I agree with you on this topic you discussed with Smokinredss I am offended by the statement you made about him being more rural than urban. I am rural though we also focus on urban you should have just said that he was wrong. and he was it's not rural vs urban the training is the same from one to another. I don't think you meant it this way but it almost sounds like you called him country lol. point he was just wrong.
fireman66767 10 months ago
@fireman66767 i myself am from a rural fire volunteer fire department in what alot of people would call farm country lol. by using rural i meant there is a substantial distance between 2 houses where you can stand on the side of a house and aim a line into the attic. this video is in paterson nj where alot of houses are separated by as little as a foot. a line to the attic from the outside simply wouldnt work
smokinredss 10 months ago
@smokinredss they also have NO ROOF LADDER!!!
granvilledrummer 8 months ago
@granvilledrummer You obviously weren't paying attention. One of the firefighters set the roof ladder onto the balcony as they come down.
ENG3INEMVFD 8 months ago
@ENG3INEMVFD he aint the first that cant see the roof ladder. i think alot of these comments are from guys who failed fire academy and our only kink chasers
smokinredss 8 months ago
@smokinredss Haha, wouldn't surprise me. I swear, I've seen some truly ridiculous comments on youtube. Gotta love the guys who failed the academy and the boys behind their computer screens. It'd be pretty funny to watch them walk onto a roof in full gear.
ENG3INEMVFD 8 months ago
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@ENG3INEMVFD my apologies. I did not notice it. But you guys are right. I am admitting my mistake
granvilledrummer 8 months ago
@granvilledrummer - Oh yeah? Then what's the guy at 1:50 fucking around with?? Just STFU and watch.
ArxVirtus 8 months ago
@ArxVirtus my apologies. I did not notice it. But you guys are right. I am admitting my mistake
granvilledrummer 8 months ago
@granvilledrummer - What is this here? An admission of wrong?...on Youtube?? That's crazy talk. I almost fell out of my chair!
A pig must be flying somewhere. Can someone check the temperature in hell?...because I think a strong cold front is moving through!
Where do you think you are, buddy? Don't you know that no one ever admits when they are wrong on Youtube? :) This is the place where people argue for arguments' sake. LOL
Cheers. :D
ArxVirtus 8 months ago
@ArxVirtus LOL. what can i say? I like being 'normal'. i dont like talking all hardcore on the computer. It's kinda like the special olympics, even if I win, I'm still retarded.
granvilledrummer 8 months ago
@nitruswolf This is not proven "not to work" It is still taught by the TOP OF THE LINE fire academy's I am Captain and a graduate of KU fire academy Thats right Kansas Jayhawks KU fire academy.
This releases smoke and heated gasses there by cooling the building and preventing fire extension. An attack line should have been in place on this one but oh well. And you should never shoot water through anything at another team You could steam them those burns are BAD
fireman66767 10 months ago
@nitruswolf What?? Vertical ventilation is....nevermind, Im not gonna waste the effort.
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devanmills1 11 months ago
@nitruswolf . Not exactly. as you can see when the truckies punch a hole and get a vent, fire is immediately blowing out. showing us it has been burning atleast 2 minutes. which as we all know is reaching the point of flashover. if it is wood trus roof it will likely flash in an estimated 5 mins. back to your method evidence shows the fire to have already been burning the roof, so that, in turn, weakens it.Water weighs 8.34 lbs per gallon,2 lines from either side pumping 1000 gal. per minute
devanmills1 11 months ago
@nitruswolf . 2 lines pumping 1000gals/min into the already weak roof, will inevitably cause a collapse, hampering interior operations, or worse killing firefighters. while i do agree with your method in certain situations, i do not however agree on this situation.
devanmills1 11 months ago
@nitruswolf The acutal strategy is to cut a trench, hole, what have you in an area ahead of the fire, so it burns up to that trench, douse the unburned side, then the heat escapes vertically and doesn't burn any farther into the structure. Proven technique, we do it often.
woodmeister85 11 months ago
@woodmeister85 so which side of your theoretical trench cut would you support? looks to me like this attic is a little too small and just a tad too envolved to make a trench cut feasible.
just my two cents.
joeshmoe12301230 11 months ago
@joeshmoe12301230 Indeed this one is a tish too small, I agree. Not the approach I would take, and obviously not the one that they are taking in this situation, I was simply applying the theory of the trench to show that it's not an outdated method. We can't tell from this video, but it's possible that they found the seat of the fire and cut directly above it to allow heat/gasses to rise out the vent instead of spreading. Can't see enough in this video.
woodmeister85 11 months ago
@nitruswolf why the heck would you spray water into the hole you would just push more air to the fire. would also defeat the purpose of ventalating. keeping the smoke from exiting would only piss the in side crew off.
elmore1089 11 months ago
@nitruswolf why the heck would you spray water into the hole you would just push more air to the fire. would also defeat the purpose of ventalating. keeping the smoke from exiting would only piss the inside crew off. because your keeping all the heat and smoke inside
elmore1089 11 months ago
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@nitruswolf why the heck would you spray water into the hole you would just push more air to the fire. would also defeat the purpose of ventalating. keeping the smoke from exiting would only piss the inside crew off. because your keeping all the heat and smoke inside.
elmore1089 11 months ago
@nitruswolf Yeah the fire will be starved of air and go out, but the heat is still there,and when air gets back into the attic ( lets say if a 4x8 secion of drywall ceilling falls from water weight ) you will have a flashover or a smoke exposion directly over the engine crew's heads!
jslav858 10 months ago 2
@nitruswolf
Its 10 times easier to vent a roof than "break a hole in each end of the attic." What yahoo knucklehead told you that?
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again you give it air it burns y open a hole ?????? try water first
sertox12345 1 year ago
again you give it air it burns y open a hole ??????
sertox12345 1 year ago
@sertox12345 putting a hole in a roof lets all the heat from the fire escape. allowing the inside attack crew to make a faster and more efficient attack. if we didn't put a hole in the roof all those nasty gasses would just continue to heat up making more of a risk for explosive flashover.
llfdemt 1 year ago 20
@llfdemt very true. but command did a bad job of reading the smoke.. it was under pressure and being forced out for a while.
breakout825 8 months ago
Americans' think they know everything, however they don't know how to put out fire.!! talk about risk to life (firefighter life). i didn't see throughout this video a single squirt of water.
lacrossetechnology 1 year ago
@lacrossetechnology If it was done right and I wasn't there so I cant say for sure. But, if it was done right the vent hole should not have been cut until the inside attack team was ready to put the water on the fire. That being said all the after spraying would have been on the inside.
llfdemt 1 year ago
roof ladder is the one that they carry down. it's designed to spread weight on the room so you don't fall through (unless the whole roof caves in of course). It hooks on the top of the roof and you stand on it.
mackkaos 1 year ago
You vent to clear smoke, reduce heat, and allow the team inside to attack the fire. You can not walk through a wall of 1200 degree heat to attack a fire, so venting the roof allows the heat that has built up to go UP, which is what heat does. The heated air going out blocks oxygen from coming in for awhile, usually long enough for the team inside to hit the fire and bring it down. And no, you don't put firemen on a roof above a fire that has burned for a long time. Structure isn't sound.
mackkaos 1 year ago
You vent to clear smoke, reduce heat, and allow the team inside to attack the fire. You can not walk through a wall of 1200 degree heat to attack a fire, so venting the roof allows the heat that has built up to go UP, which is what heat does. The heated air going out blocks oxygen from coming in for awhile, usually long enough for the team inside to hit the fire and bring it down. And no, you don't put firemen on a roof above a fire that has burned for a long time. Structure isn't sound.
mackkaos 1 year ago
The fire isn't really progressing until they ventilate the roof, then it starts to take off. You can see the fire is starved of oxygen, not burning very well with slow rolling smoke... But once the roof is opened up the gases trapped inside the roof space escape, oxygen is then drawn in and from then on the fire intensifies.
titaniumr33gtst 1 year ago
that didn't look right at all..to have FFs on the roof when the floor underneath you is engaged?...seems really STUPID...what happens when the roof gives way? ALL of them are going IN the FIRE...was this a negroe dept?
EvanQuinn07 1 year ago
@EvanQuinn07 Its called venting. It is done at every fire.
rykember11 1 year ago
@rykember11 yea I know what venting is and why it's done, BUT it deosn't make sense to me and seems REALLY UNSAFE, IF the attic or floor or space (whatever you want to call it) DIRECTLY below the Roof is engulfed, to have FFs ON TOP of the roof, which COULD COLLAPSE at any moment, the RISKS seem WAY higher than the benefits....and I don't know what's going on BEHIND this house, but WHY can't they drag a line up front? IT doesn't appear the bottom floors are envolved
EvanQuinn07 1 year ago
I thought firefighters were supposed to put out fires.
I don't see and water going on that house. I guess there is no point trying to put out the fire as the house is only made of wood and it's cheaper to let it burn and just rebuild the lot
maxieslimshadey 1 year ago
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@maxieslimshadey if you dont vent the roof/windows well enough then most all the oxygen will burn up. then there is still fuel and heat, as soon as oxygen is introduced a Flashover happens. if you have ventilation it keeps an air flow going so it doesnt make an explosion. check this video out "Daniel's Block Fire-BACKDRAFT"
MD540kr3w 1 year ago
@maxieslimshadey spraying water on the outside accomplishes nothing. you have to go inside, and spray water in there. theyre cutting a hole in the roof to drop the temperature inside the house. as you know, heat and smoke rise. so by giving it a chimney, it prevents it from heating the inside of the house like an oven, which can lead to bad burns, and kill people.
CTFD13 1 year ago
@CTFD13 This doesn't make sense??? Your just giving the fire more oxygen to burn making the fire larger generating more heat. And increasing the danger to fire fighters, public and other exposures. Would be out far quicker if they attacked the fire.
titaniumr33gtst 1 year ago
@titaniumr33gtst Its not just one crew working. The engine has stretched a line, and is going inside, and the truck crew goes to the roof to vent. Inside its very very hot, and you need to release some of that heat for the engine crew, so they can get to the main body of fire. Its all coordinated, and performed like clockwork. The fire is not getting enough oxygen in that amount of time to do much. Fire out of a vent hole is what you want. It means its not burning to either side.
CTFD13 1 year ago
@CTFD13 I can't see how this helps? Your giving it more oxygen making it burn harder, and vent hole just allows it to expel the burnt gases and draw in more oxygen behind it. The radiant heat off the larger fire now burning would cause the off gassing of materials around it and the fire would spread out anyhow.
titaniumr33gtst 1 year ago
@titaniumr33gtst Become a firefighter. Learn about the job. Perform the job. Its so hot inside, and were talkin around 1500 degrees, noone can make it, even with gear and an air pack. Hence the ventilation. Yes, the fire may flare up a little bit, BUT that is why you have the hose team in place INSIDE to fight the fire. Its all about teamwork, communication, and coordination. This type of thing is done all over the US and even the world. It works. Its been proven to work.
CTFD13 1 year ago
@CTFD13 I don't know of any other fire departments that use this technique? apart from US. Am a fire fighter.
titaniumr33gtst 1 year ago
@titaniumr33gtst < Good lord, it's YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE you fucking moron, not your. YOU'RE stupid.
USMC3531tsd 1 year ago
I think the mistake being made here was the escape route down the ladder was being blocked by someone up it. Did they really need 4 men up there.
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Kenezei911 1 year ago
All the newbies take note of the eves puffing and the amount of fire coming out the hole. You have a good attic fire going, but wait.... theres more....look at the upper 1/4 of the wall where the siding is melting. See the fire in the wall, thats called balloon construction. Most likely they're chasing something from below. Good stop by the crews, its starting to get managable when that hole is clearing up.
Wa3ypx 1 year ago
They fight some fire in Paterson! Hell yeah.
Tanfeliz 1 year ago
so does putting the fire out
lepernz 1 year ago
i noticed that when he vented the roof, the smoke that was around the roof just went out the vent. id like to learn more anyone give me any tips?
sirstanley09 1 year ago
by venting, you reduce the chance of backdraft and/or flashover. and if you see flames comming out of the vent, is because the hot fumes reach oxygen on the outside and ignite by themselves
charlesbureau 1 year ago
u cud tel the condition inside that attic space just by the fast/turbulant smoke
defender195 1 year ago
Great job. Scary angle and really high up there. Now all they need is water on the fire. Johncan, you leave equipment when it is your life in danger. When you know what you are doing, have the experience, you bring it down with you. That is panic, what you are describing. Rungs above roof lines, guy blocking ladder? Real fires are different than text books. The "extra guy"? Nice to have someone there if you slip or need to hand down gear. Work a real fire on a steep roof, then comment.
Mikyz12 1 year ago
A reminder of how firefighters put their lives at risk. Bravest job ever. Thank you FD. Go safe into that gentle night.
Picardy 1 year ago
these guys are retarded, you don't take the equipment with you if you are trying to escape a roof fire, just leave it. And the guy who was waiting on the ladder was slowing down the process of the others of getting off the roof.
cjohncan 1 year ago
@cjohncan
How can you say that wasn't a great job....?
edgewater100 1 year ago
...why wasn't the ladder 3-5 rungs above the roofline? otherwise, good show
knightsaber67 1 year ago
@knightsaber67
it appears that you have three rungs above the roof line however, they wouldn't have gotten the angle they needed if they wanted more rungs over the roof.
killerlarryusmc 1 year ago
So I'm saying to myself, they did a great job venting the roof but where is the engine company and the water? I see the lines out front on the sidewalk, so maybe the guys are already inside spraying?
Hotshot679 1 year ago
Congrats for their responsible.....response. Lol. On second thought though, wouldn't opening a vent cause more oxygen to flood in and fuel the fire? Just a quick thost.
iceman977th 1 year ago
@iceman977th No. It stop horizontal spread and cools the interior.
Mikyz12 1 year ago
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jcole76 1 year ago