@badman2504 Correct, I read an article in the latest EVO mag by Harry Metcalfe and he had written to Mclaren saying all the adjustments the car required to make it more "useable", because the car has been set up too much like an F1 car. They responded by making those adjustments. But I still think in a review like this, fastest track time they should be using a professional racing driver.....like on Top Gear....on the Fifth Gear review they couldn't turn off the traction control.
@MrBigolnuts Roger Green is a very talented test driver. In a recent EVO he ran laps of a BTCC car and a regular Honda with the current BTCC champion. In the race car, the racing driver (Matt Neal) was 1.3 seconds per lap faster. In the street legal car, Roger Green (the EVO tester) was 1.6 seconds per lap faster than Neal on the EVO test circuit.
This is not the car that will beat the ferrari.They tried and they failed and ferrari wins again, and pls don"t get drunk with the top gear lap time they have favorit the British cars and they dont have an honest opinion that way you guys love the top gear.LOOK AT fift gear, car magazine ..... ef you want to hear an honest opinion.If you want to hear some bolshet and feel good look at top gear:)
@gabymunteanu You're talking about honesty? Chris harris was banned from driving ferarris for releasing the fact that they specifically tune all their cars for the track its going to be tested on prior to the test drive. The 458s lap times are after it has been tuned specifically for that track. Ferarri lap times are better than the production car is capable of.
@MrsShadowBroker your totally right, the Top Gear test is the only proper track test I have seen so far........The Evo reviewer has it wriggling all over the track as if the car is fighting itself and when you watch the Stig drive it theres not a shake the whole lap..........How can Evo get a Ferrari 1.19 to a Mclaren 1.20 and Top Gear gets a Ferrari 1.19 to a Mclaren 1.16 ??? Obiously the Evo reviewer is an imbecile.
@MrBigolnuts all down to driving style, and the track, the top gear circuit is a power circuit, where acceleration and top end shove is important, whereas the bedford autodrome is different, more technical, I'm no race driver, but I like track days, and jumping out of an Impreza WRX STI 320R saloon into the equivalent Evo X (the FQ 330) there are big differences for broadly similar cars, same with the MP4 and the 458 similar size, weight, all down to driving style and how you suit each car
fifth gear,evo magazine and car magazine all 3 of them reached the same result.458 beat mclaren at the track and the Top Gear said theat the ferrari 458 is 3 seconds slower then the McLaren. 3 SECONDS how much did they pay to Top Gear to sey theat shit?
It's quite clear to anyone who has racing experience that this guy doesn't know the quickest line around that circuit. He's a good, reactive driver with the reflex skills to drive quickly but he needs to go back to the basics. That car would do much more in the hands of a proper driver.
To me Roger green seems to be way to aggressive, everyone knows smooth is fast, and he just isn't smooth. This car obviously doesn't respond to being grabbed by the scruff of the neck driving. Maybe this also contributed to the lack of difference in lap time between the Mac and Fezza? As Top Gear demonstrated, the Mac is a fair it quicker. Granted, on a different track.
@Culps83 You actually believe the lap time from top gear? The one which has the Ferrari Enzo as an almost mid range car on their power board. Beating a Veyron super sport, the Ascari and the GUPERT ?! Thats utter rubbish. (The Gupert did the Nurburgring in 7:11, i doubt the MP4-12C gets within 10 seconds of that time)This is the closest you will get to a fair test and on this day, the 458 walloped it.
@engared Different cars have different strengths, and this shows on different tracks. Which I explained in my original post. The GUMPERT (There is an M in it) has massive downforce, so will obviously be much quicker over a high speed and very long circuit like Nurburg. The top gear track is completely different so you can not properly compare.
@Culps83 I disagree, Top Gear's powerboard have cars driven by different drivers on different days, we do not even know if the track configuration changes from show to show. The Gumpert's massive downforce would slow it down on a very high speed track such as the Nurburgring (they hit huge speeds on very long straights there) based on that logic. So the timing made by the MC on Top gear makes no sense at all. The Enzo Ferrari should be a much faster car than the time it did on the track.
@kylle345 yes, evo had the mclarens, wheel speed differential system (the brakes) its brake steer system ad its traction control system off.. not fair really, top gear had it in track how its suposed to be driven
meh me take ferrari this car is a bit to technical while the ferrari touches our heart and because everybody picks on ferrari every time someone brings a new car.....
Looks like even more of a hand full than the Ferrari 458 by the amount it was stepping out of line, meh, even if I had the money i wouldn't buy either of them. If you're gonna spend silly money on a car like this you may as well go straight to the big daddy of them all the Lamborghini Aventador.
@XakaB Here in New Zealand a 458 Italia costs $534,000. A Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 costs $562,500. I don't know the cost of the Aventador as yet but assuming it'll be close (ish) to the Murcielago there isn't a huge difference in those two prices and if you were wealthy enough to be considering any of these cars what's another $30-40k when you're considering paying out over half a million dollars...?
@NZsarge1 Since we're comparing prices, the mid engined ferrari two generations ago (the 360) cost around 60% of the 458. Prices of the previous generation means nothing!
@danglingslong Possibly, will just have to wait and see what the Aventador retail for in New Zealand when it becomes available. Out of interest sake if comparing apples with apples from Ferrari and Lamborghini the current Gallardo is an absolute bargain next to the 458 Italia... ($375,000 v $534,000).
so many corrections sorting the handling out, bad car and not bad driving. sort it out mclaren, the potential of this car is going to waste, it should be brilliant
I guess one must admire its capabilities (and I say that with reserve as I can only base this on what the motoring press have to say) but this car still leaves me cold.
@rxs10000 Yeah, I agree. This car just really doesnt do it for me. Never has. I guess for me its got to be because of the dual clutch only transmission and the twin turbos. Just a completely different direction from the purist F1 that we can all admire.
this dude cant drive this mclaren properly.. its clear to see, i have a feeling a chris goodwin (?) would have set a much faster time with the car in track mode rather than TCS off which deactivated its traction control/diff system ( no LSD just inside brake drag)
@StreetKingEvolution The brake system on the back wheels is not easy to handle, especially when drivers try to make a drift on it. They need a better and patient driver than him.
@veyronman i never said i could lol what i was saying is that the mclaren rightly or wrongly works in a certain was due to the way it has been designed, and obviously the person who developed the car is going to be a lot quicker, and given time this dude would probably end up being a lot faster in it, a car with 592hp and no diff, with its only traction control system/wheel slip differential system disabled, it aint gna do very well. so stfu about "be quite"
@TheL046Kid No, he has a Jaguar. It's got leather seats, it's got a CD player player player player player player player player player player player player player player player. But I don't want to talk about it any more.
This thing's a lot snappier than the 458; it's definitely more systems than chassis
Buttnut105 1 month ago
@badman2504 Correct, I read an article in the latest EVO mag by Harry Metcalfe and he had written to Mclaren saying all the adjustments the car required to make it more "useable", because the car has been set up too much like an F1 car. They responded by making those adjustments. But I still think in a review like this, fastest track time they should be using a professional racing driver.....like on Top Gear....on the Fifth Gear review they couldn't turn off the traction control.
MrBigolnuts 4 months ago
@MrBigolnuts Roger Green is a very talented test driver. In a recent EVO he ran laps of a BTCC car and a regular Honda with the current BTCC champion. In the race car, the racing driver (Matt Neal) was 1.3 seconds per lap faster. In the street legal car, Roger Green (the EVO tester) was 1.6 seconds per lap faster than Neal on the EVO test circuit.
traind 3 weeks ago
This is not the car that will beat the ferrari.They tried and they failed and ferrari wins again, and pls don"t get drunk with the top gear lap time they have favorit the British cars and they dont have an honest opinion that way you guys love the top gear.LOOK AT fift gear, car magazine ..... ef you want to hear an honest opinion.If you want to hear some bolshet and feel good look at top gear:)
gabymunteanu 4 months ago 2
@gabymunteanu You're talking about honesty? Chris harris was banned from driving ferarris for releasing the fact that they specifically tune all their cars for the track its going to be tested on prior to the test drive. The 458s lap times are after it has been tuned specifically for that track. Ferarri lap times are better than the production car is capable of.
mukers 1 month ago
@MrsShadowBroker your totally right, the Top Gear test is the only proper track test I have seen so far........The Evo reviewer has it wriggling all over the track as if the car is fighting itself and when you watch the Stig drive it theres not a shake the whole lap..........How can Evo get a Ferrari 1.19 to a Mclaren 1.20 and Top Gear gets a Ferrari 1.19 to a Mclaren 1.16 ??? Obiously the Evo reviewer is an imbecile.
MrBigolnuts 5 months ago
@MrBigolnuts all down to driving style, and the track, the top gear circuit is a power circuit, where acceleration and top end shove is important, whereas the bedford autodrome is different, more technical, I'm no race driver, but I like track days, and jumping out of an Impreza WRX STI 320R saloon into the equivalent Evo X (the FQ 330) there are big differences for broadly similar cars, same with the MP4 and the 458 similar size, weight, all down to driving style and how you suit each car
badman2504 4 months ago
Yet another reviewer who doesn't know how to turn everything off. Fifth gear were the worst.
MrsShadowBroker 5 months ago
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fifth gear,evo magazine and car magazine all 3 of them reached the same result.458 beat mclaren at the track and the Top Gear said theat the ferrari 458 is 3 seconds slower then the McLaren. 3 SECONDS how much did they pay to Top Gear to sey theat shit?
gabymunteanu 6 months ago
Quite different means much wrong!!? XD
Ragniotti33 7 months ago
It's quite clear to anyone who has racing experience that this guy doesn't know the quickest line around that circuit. He's a good, reactive driver with the reflex skills to drive quickly but he needs to go back to the basics. That car would do much more in the hands of a proper driver.
therinsig 7 months ago
458 lap time : 1min 19.3sec (peak speed 120mph)
eric859723 7 months ago
To me Roger green seems to be way to aggressive, everyone knows smooth is fast, and he just isn't smooth. This car obviously doesn't respond to being grabbed by the scruff of the neck driving. Maybe this also contributed to the lack of difference in lap time between the Mac and Fezza? As Top Gear demonstrated, the Mac is a fair it quicker. Granted, on a different track.
Culps83 7 months ago 4
@Culps83 You actually believe the lap time from top gear? The one which has the Ferrari Enzo as an almost mid range car on their power board. Beating a Veyron super sport, the Ascari and the GUPERT ?! Thats utter rubbish. (The Gupert did the Nurburgring in 7:11, i doubt the MP4-12C gets within 10 seconds of that time)This is the closest you will get to a fair test and on this day, the 458 walloped it.
engared 6 months ago
@engared Different cars have different strengths, and this shows on different tracks. Which I explained in my original post. The GUMPERT (There is an M in it) has massive downforce, so will obviously be much quicker over a high speed and very long circuit like Nurburg. The top gear track is completely different so you can not properly compare.
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@Culps83 I disagree, Top Gear's powerboard have cars driven by different drivers on different days, we do not even know if the track configuration changes from show to show. The Gumpert's massive downforce would slow it down on a very high speed track such as the Nurburgring (they hit huge speeds on very long straights there) based on that logic. So the timing made by the MC on Top gear makes no sense at all. The Enzo Ferrari should be a much faster car than the time it did on the track.
engared 5 months ago
Cant afford a wind sock for mic!!
Senninha1960 7 months ago
wait which car is faster? is top gear right?
kylle345 7 months ago
@kylle345 yes, evo had the mclarens, wheel speed differential system (the brakes) its brake steer system ad its traction control system off.. not fair really, top gear had it in track how its suposed to be driven
steflotti105 7 months ago
how in the world is this car 3 seconds faster than the Ferrari 458 on the Top Gear test track?
brocky 7 months ago
@brocky it had it electronis systems on so its actually had a diff of sorts and brak steer like its supposed to, evo turned them off
steflotti105 7 months ago
@brocky Its a Mclaren. The name says it all.
theonlylolking 7 months ago
Wish the evo wartermark wasnt in EXACTLY the worst place.
Joepineapplz 7 months ago
Just watched the m600 and 458 tests....I think a professional is needed!! This guy drives like Clarkson.
icycoldfrost 7 months ago
Really tidy driving there Roger!!!! Not!....
icycoldfrost 7 months ago
meh me take ferrari this car is a bit to technical while the ferrari touches our heart and because everybody picks on ferrari every time someone brings a new car.....
XakaB 7 months ago
Excellent lid Mr Green :)
EroticarTV 7 months ago
dat sound!!!!!!
obhatti 7 months ago
Looks like even more of a hand full than the Ferrari 458 by the amount it was stepping out of line, meh, even if I had the money i wouldn't buy either of them. If you're gonna spend silly money on a car like this you may as well go straight to the big daddy of them all the Lamborghini Aventador.
NZsarge1 7 months ago
@NZsarge1 it cost twice the aventador so if you had mclaren/ferrari money you wouldnt afford the aventador......
XakaB 7 months ago
@XakaB Here in New Zealand a 458 Italia costs $534,000. A Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 costs $562,500. I don't know the cost of the Aventador as yet but assuming it'll be close (ish) to the Murcielago there isn't a huge difference in those two prices and if you were wealthy enough to be considering any of these cars what's another $30-40k when you're considering paying out over half a million dollars...?
NZsarge1 7 months ago
@NZsarge1 Since we're comparing prices, the mid engined ferrari two generations ago (the 360) cost around 60% of the 458. Prices of the previous generation means nothing!
danglingslong 7 months ago
@danglingslong Possibly, will just have to wait and see what the Aventador retail for in New Zealand when it becomes available. Out of interest sake if comparing apples with apples from Ferrari and Lamborghini the current Gallardo is an absolute bargain next to the 458 Italia... ($375,000 v $534,000).
NZsarge1 7 months ago
so many corrections sorting the handling out, bad car and not bad driving. sort it out mclaren, the potential of this car is going to waste, it should be brilliant
powersliding 7 months ago
Very nice car, but it cannot be slower than the 458 and be successfull... It has turbolag and dosent look as sharp, it needed to be faster...
TheRighteous123 7 months ago
I guess one must admire its capabilities (and I say that with reserve as I can only base this on what the motoring press have to say) but this car still leaves me cold.
rxs10000 7 months ago 8
@rxs10000 Yeah, I agree. This car just really doesnt do it for me. Never has. I guess for me its got to be because of the dual clutch only transmission and the twin turbos. Just a completely different direction from the purist F1 that we can all admire.
HKBM45 7 months ago
@HKBM45 Indeed. Turbos and dual clutch remove character- but the main detraction for me is the obvious one. It's looks. Yaaaawn.
rxs10000 7 months ago
lol it still wouldnt have gone faster even if louis hamilton and jenson button were driving it
heyedmond 7 months ago
this dude cant drive this mclaren properly.. its clear to see, i have a feeling a chris goodwin (?) would have set a much faster time with the car in track mode rather than TCS off which deactivated its traction control/diff system ( no LSD just inside brake drag)
steflotti105 7 months ago
@steflotti105 Cause your a professional race car driver eh? Jesus, the arguments just don't end do they?!
StreetKingEvolution 7 months ago 11
@StreetKingEvolution The brake system on the back wheels is not easy to handle, especially when drivers try to make a drift on it. They need a better and patient driver than him.
MrRyanccm 4 weeks ago
@steflotti105 Watch fifth gear. No need to say more.
danielarmenio 7 months ago
@steflotti105 I guarantee you can't do any better. be quiet.
veyronman 7 months ago
@veyronman i never said i could lol what i was saying is that the mclaren rightly or wrongly works in a certain was due to the way it has been designed, and obviously the person who developed the car is going to be a lot quicker, and given time this dude would probably end up being a lot faster in it, a car with 592hp and no diff, with its only traction control system/wheel slip differential system disabled, it aint gna do very well. so stfu about "be quite"
steflotti105 7 months ago
It's good on paper at least.
HaHaEntertainmentR 7 months ago
It did seem slower than the Ferrari.
EazyMeezy1 7 months ago
@EazyMeezy1 and it is.
flyingdj0571 7 months ago
@EazyMeezy1 like you can tell from a video if a car is a second off.
wekker090 7 months ago
the drivers supercar
3108711289 7 months ago
@3108711289 If your name is Buck Rogers.
TheL046Kid 7 months ago
@TheL046Kid No, he has a Jaguar. It's got leather seats, it's got a CD player player player player player player player player player player player player player player player. But I don't want to talk about it any more.
clarkm3568 7 months ago
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TheL046Kid 7 months ago