PS you show a nuclear bomb going off in the intro! Atheist scientists did discover how to make the bomb but the christian rulers of this country ordered it made and USED IT you fucking finger pointers! Also would you have used this story if a gay man had been taken hostage? hold on you want all the gays dead am i right you self righteous delusional fucks!
me again, love the way you monger on the good feel stories to make your religion seem so good! so i ask was this woman blessed or just smart. if she was blessed what makes her so special? What about the infant who died of hunger while i wrote this? What about the other who died of a treatable illness while i wrote this sentence? You call atheists fools. Eat your pizza pocket and sit in your warm home and feel sorry for us the ones who actually try to help.
what she did is taught by hostage negotiators and is simple psychology. When in a hostage situation you try to let the hostage taker know who you are and that you are human. You try to identify with him or her so that they see you as a person and not an object! This is why hate groups supply their followers with propaganda to dehumanize their victims making it easier for the attackers to kill them! there was no god involved just a smart woman-god saves those who save themselves! IDIOTS
- Cited a case that was not a miracle, even by the church's own definition
- Didn't attempt to refute Weinberg's argument
- For the suggested corollary, 'for evil people to do good - that takes a religion', provided no evidence other than this one anecdote that it is true
I understand your point of view, nature is so stupid and mindless that we are able to learn from it. ;)
Makes complete sense that we can learn from a mindless universe.
A bit like learning the english language from a baby, it's not smart, but it's definatly possible that it can teach us the english language! ^^
*sarcasm btw*
Lordes, the mind only contains information that it saw in the universe. Knowledge is JUST information, and information is learned naturally from nature.
Suddenly everything else that i've said becomes irrelivant to you.
Until nature acts like it lacks intelligence, I'll believe in a God and miracles.
Aslong as I can learn from nature, like I can learn from another intelligent human, I will believe in a God who knows how to teach us and who intends our existance.
Proof is in the pudding, i'll believe nature is not intelligent when it acts like it's not intelligent. When it stops following a law that we can actually understand.
Your view of "no intelligence involved" is how a rock appears to act, without looking at its source. My view of "no intelligence involved" is when an object keeps changing chaotically and beyond reason.
If there is nothing to learn atall then there is clearly no intelligence involved, you can't learn from chaos.
Atheism is the same as not beleiving in bacteria. It's the same as believing illness just "happens" and has no explanation.
I've spoken to atheists before just like you who came at me with the exact same arguments, and they saw no contradiction in what I said, so it's clearly not me here who's being picky and/or stubborn.
In comparison to atheism which rests on ones own opinion that anything can act independantly of intelligence.
There is no evidence for this, so it is just an opinion.
People say that you can't prove a negative, well it isn't a negative, it's saying a rock can act without a drop of intelligence. The equivalent to saying a rock can fly without wings. Evidence?
Nothing happens without some form of knowledge taking place.
Until you understand that knowledge is just another part of nature you will never understand God, who is the very knowledge present in nature which makes everything work in order.
I never said sculptures cannot make themselves naturally, i said when did you last see a perfectly sculptured human statue get up and dance without some kind of human help?
You never see nature break its own laws, ironically, despite the fact it apparantly has no intelligence behind it.
To say that beautiful things cannot happen with intelligence is even more stupid.
Rofl, seriously. I'm no simpleton, keep in mind that I'm not the one who based my beliefs on the answer of "There is no reason why everything works, it just does".
Sorry, but I expect everything that happens materially to have reason behind it.
Whether it's why people act like they do or the universe itself, it all has a reason.
Humans act like they do because of the human mind, the universe acts like it does is because of God.
I don't need any more proof, it's evidential in itself.
You can't learn anything from someone else who doesn't know anything.
You can't learn from a universe that is in constant chaos and has no order.
You can learn from a universe with order and you can learn from someone who knows alot.
I can create order, I can put things in numerical order.
The universe has order.
Just because nature doesn't always do what you want doesn't mean there is no intellect behind it, it defiantly knows more about how it works than you do!
Yeah, I've seen it, I can see the flaws in both the womans and especially the guys claims.
I've been there, I don't linger on things that are unlikely to be true.
Nothing like this conversation.
You can sit around forever making out asif the "fictional" God is bad, but the "fictional" God is according to the book the guy who gives you all your good things and heaven if you appreciate life, so he's actually Good.
God may have told people to kill "innocent" children in the past, but innocent children are already innocent, the chances are on ressurection day that they will go to heaven.
We cannot cherry pick with the Bible on the terms of God, we cannot ignore all the scripture on his love.
I haven't looked at them yet, the chances are that after my long-long time browsing i've already seen it.
It doesn't conflict with the Bibles definitions atall, all the love and happiness you will ever experience is there because God put it there, that's scriptural.
He is all-loving, all the love and happiness that exists was put there by him. And he will let thankful and good people live for an eternity.
I understand that you don't beleive, but please be more careful with your answers.
What you just said is pure circular logic, you said God is evil because he apparantly did bad things, but he apparantly doesn't exist so everything he does for you today doesn't count towards how moral he is.
Yes Lordes, God must be bad for giving you a computer, and money, and the ability to feel happy, and the ability to laugh, and for putting you in a nice warm home, and for giving you a family, and for giving you life in general.
You just keep telling yourself that, hopefully one day you might actually be thankfull for what he has done for you.
(Un thankfulness is the no1 reason why non-believers will not enter heaven)
The OT was true, but Jesus himself died so that we don't have to stone you for being ignorant of God.
Jesus said he came to FULFILL the scriptures, this means some of the requirements (such as to be killed for sinning) have already been fulfilled. Look it up.
Nevermind our delusional minds, YOUR delusional mind hasn't read enough of the Bible, nor does it understand the Bible enough to judge us.
You are a dumb shit, really, you are. This is an idiotic argument because you don't know the history of the Bible and your intellectually irrational and your atatement that there is no God is illogical because this claim is a universal negative which is 100% impossible toprove. Negate theistic proof/evidence all day. This still does not disprove the existence of God. Your a moron and a fool and thats in the Bible.
Your an idiot do you know that? You talk about something you have no idea of. That was the civil law. There were three laws in the OT. The Jew laws, the civil laws and the moral laws you idiot. We took the moral laws with us. We don't follow the Jewish laws or the civil laws. You dumb shits always go to the OT in an attempt to disprove God. Your an illogical moron. How do you know there is no God? You don't so you full of crap!
The Psalms were written by God through man. Bible says all scipture is God breathed 2 Timothy 3:16. These scripture were written by King David. Read the Psalm and you will see. It proves itself. If you don't examine evidence I show you forget this. Go yell at someone else with your closed mind.
Look at Psalm 22. This was written 800 years before the birth of Christ and 400 years before the invention of crucifixion. The Bible tells the truth. He is coming, prepare yourself
The Premise of Christianity is that we're all sinners and need Jesus, the Incarnation of God into Man, who paid the price for our sins, to save us.
So Weinerberg did get it wrong.
After Katrina where were the Atheist helping people? It was the Churches on the Scene before FEMA knew what hit them. Atheism is the bastion for pseudo-Intellectuals like Hitchens and the "God Delusion" guy.
Many religious texts actually require violence from their followers. Read the Old Testament for once in your life Christians. Stop acting as if the religions don't actively tell you to hurt other people.
So - a nutter on an insane killing spree decides to let someone go after he has calmed down a bit. What does this prove about the truth of Christianity, and how does it refute the Weinberg quote? He was an evil man doing evil things - that doesn't require religion.
"try to pick out a quote here and there to support an unsupportable position without filling in any details WHY."
-It is too difficult here to addres all of your error. I try not to waste more than 1 comment here at a time.
-What unsupportable position? Your first comment is worthless. No reasonable person will be hoodwinked into believing that a christian upbringing contributes to horrible behavior. If you wanted to stress other religions you started off all wrong. Not my fault. (More)
-Your second point in defending atheism from it's practitioners by pitting them with the religious is also very childish.
-We all know it starts with worldviews and they formulate their beliefs(dogmatic or not) around their worldview(atheism) So yes, their atheism was a contributing factor. A counter from bigwham as you try to claim that christianity was somehow a contributing factor to Dahmer's insanity. Even though that's so illogical to say supprressing homosexual impulses leads to insanity.
-Not once, have you exhibited anything relative to "nicety".
"somehow you think you scored a victory for your religion?"
Everyone can read (in order) what has been written, from your very first insults to your very last. I never argued for my religion, only refuted your claims and blames*.
Some of those men in prison were atheists when they commited the crime. They converted in prision. So when surveyed they answered they were Christains. Thoses stats don't account for that. --they are meaningless.
-Being that two of your examples (Most significantly, your first comment) were christianity specific... I think I was justified in assuming as much. Yet... i'm still befuddled. There are other religions!
"you are under the impression I was never a christian"
Hmmm... Aside from the unrelenting snide remarks aimed with such malice... It seems as if you're trying to put together a case against Christianity... by using the AsSuMeD results of Christianity.
However... You must first ThOroUgHlY understand what "Christianity" is.
Understanding Christianity and it's PaRaMeTeRs will be your first and most essential measure my friend. Prepare for an exhilarating and edifying journey. Keep an open mind... GL and God Bless.
1st quote:" Jeffrey Dahmer was raised as a christian fundamentalist"
2nd quote:" I never claimed that Dahmer accepted or rejected religion"
3rd quote: "he could not acknowledge his homosexuality... lead to psychiatric problems."
Ok... so the 3rd quote is the your foci. You blaim christianity b/c it says you cannot be homosexual. In reaction, Dahmer became a crazy murderer. I hope I haven't made another straw man. This speaks for itself. Let's be clear. Is this what you believe?
"religion very likely influenced Dalmers world view"
--- Your first comment would allude us to believe that "Christianity" influenced Dahmer's worldview. Truthfully, it was a lack of Christianity that Dahmer embraced.
"Atheism is a LACK of belief in god. Nothing more nothing less."
--- Which in and of itself, is a belief that there is no God. Simple rewording my friend.
"How do you do things in the name of something you don't believe in?"
--- Well, first it starts with a worldview. Then, one formulates the rest of their beliefs accordingly.
--- Those "atheists" mentioned above EvoLveD their beliefs from an atheistic worldview. Yes, they're beliefs are as valid as any of your own beliefs. Dogmatic or not, they came as atheist. Need I remind you of your first comment? Do you know what makes a Christian, a Christian?
"Being an Atheists does not immunize someone from dogma.. these crimes were done in the name of communism, not atheism."
--- You categorize atheists with the religious b/c they believe differently than you. Yet their "atheism" is what leads them to believe however and whatever they want. It's all subjective to them. One atheist's personal developed, "EvoLveD", empathy and morals/beliefs is as valid as any other atheist's. Further, it's far superior to the religious! Si?
Absolutely NOT true. Weinberg said for GOOD people to do evil that takes religion. So you have to prove that the terrorists who did 911 were GOOD people. I say they were not. Now on my side Brian Nichols had killed 4 people that day so obviously when he let her go - an evil person did good. QED
Religion is Man's Best Effort to Reach God, When Religion is Involved it Causes Wars and all Kinds of Disagreements, But a Relationship is what Christianity is, a Personal Relationship with Jesus Christ. All Roads don't Lead to Heaven. All "Religions" can't be Right. Jesus Christ Came Down and Died on the Cross for Our Sins, So We Can Be Forgiven and Spend Eternity in Heaven with Him, Where We Will Be in the Glory of God. Romans 10:9. Repend and Be Saved By Faith in Jesus, Turn Away from Sin.
Which his parents religion is relevant how? I guess since you think it is, I can then point out that the biggest mass murderers in history Chairman Mao and Joesph Stalin were atheists. (not just their parents)
Hahaha hilarious... your comment was a straw man to begin with! My video never claimed to prove Christianity was "true", that was all you! It just provided a counter example to Weinberg's canard about religion being the cause of good people doing evil. You decided to create this piece of sophistry as your strawman defense to your illogical position.
"will you also accept Islam as true?"
So me bringing up reason why I believe Christianity is true and Islam is not is entirely fair.
Anecdotes carry little weight in arguments where there are millions of personal stories to consider. This is where statistics come in handy. If can make your case statistically in a well-designed study, that would be impressive. An anecdote is not.
This is very anecdotal, but to give you a chance to be fair, if I find a similar anecdote about how reading the Koran resulted in a similar "miracle", will you also accept Islam as true?
No because the Koran doesn't have fulfilled prophecies to back it up. (check out my 70 weeks of Daniel video) I believe I was dispelling the canard that "it takes religion to make good people do evil" not whether any thing in particular is true. It seems you reached the conclusion that Christianity is true entirely on your own. Congratulations!
What?? May I assume that you're an athiest? Why does he even have to be making an arguement at all? He's merely telling you why he believes in the bible. It's not an arguement to be refuted.
I just find your response to his answering your question very interesting. You seem to like to use "logic" to argue your point and you claim that his response is both inconsistant and dishonest
Yet, his video was making one point and his answering your question was making another point. Yet you dismiss his point not on any real basis but because it doesn't fit your basis of "logic"
Why don't you instead look into the many prophecies that have been fufilled in the bible instead of arguing against his response fitting into your "logic" mores
BTW I also know something about logic and it is a logical fact that something cannot be proven valid but something can only be proven invalid. Using science cannot prove the existance of God invalid. Neither can your arguements.
Indeed, you are right about Santa, people just find out that he's not real. There's no need for "logic" there. God however is another matter entirely. Your eternal destiny is at stake in your belief or disbelief in God.
Again, he was answering your question. You chose to reject his answer. Was it on merit? No, it was on breaking your "logic" mores. So instead of investigating the matter and seeing whether he really has a point you choose to dismiss his answer entirely.
The sad thing about all of this is that you just cannot see that he, like all of us christians, is trying to help you save your immortal soul. And you will probably not see the truth of it until it's too late.
So, by all means, dismiss his point. Indeed, keep telling yourself that all of us christians are deluded and ignorant, never seeing that you are in fact doing yourself a disservice. I will tell you the truth, Jesus Christ will return and set up His glorious kingdom. Where will you be when it happens?
"The sad thing about this is that I have brought more people to the lord than you have, have read the greek new testament through eleven times, and have spent much more time contemplating the reality of god than you have."
I wonder what makes him think he knows more than someone he has never met?And he calls you arrogant? Wow Satan is good at deception. He's been assimilated.
The sad thing about this is that I have brought more people to the lord than you have, have read the greek new testament through eleven times, and have spent much more time contemplating the reality of god than you have. Yet, your arrogance will force you to dismiss my experience out of hand without honestly asking me to explain my reasons for disbelieving.
You have effectively demonstrated that you have neither the mental facilities, nor the humility to listen. So I'll end here.
The video never claimed to be proof of Christianity as true. It addresses Weinberg's canard. You simply created straw man "If I find a similar story with a Muslim, will you accept Islam as true" You changed the subject and now whine because I offered evidence on the new subject. So it is completely fair game to bring in a new reason. It was an entirely new topic. You are the one guilty of logical fallacy. You created a straw man with your very first comment and are still whining about it now.
You don't need to spread the word in prison; only 2% are Atheists.
"It's alright; you're forgiven".
Jeffery Dahlmer was also speading the word in prison.
But someone sent him to Heaven early.
Heaven will be great, you get to spend time with Jeff and Hitler.
If you go to Hell you'll get stuck with Einstein, the Marx Brothers, Anne Frank. George Carlin and Carl Sagan.
legion1a 5 months ago
If a Christian is judging one dont blame the religion for those practicing it falsely.
craigomozfan 8 months ago
Typical brainwashing. Time religions went where they belong: a museum.
StopSpamming1 1 year ago 2
@artvandelay107 god is def not logic but just the opposite.
crazymonkey186 1 year ago
PS you show a nuclear bomb going off in the intro! Atheist scientists did discover how to make the bomb but the christian rulers of this country ordered it made and USED IT you fucking finger pointers! Also would you have used this story if a gay man had been taken hostage? hold on you want all the gays dead am i right you self righteous delusional fucks!
larsonb33 1 year ago
me again, love the way you monger on the good feel stories to make your religion seem so good! so i ask was this woman blessed or just smart. if she was blessed what makes her so special? What about the infant who died of hunger while i wrote this? What about the other who died of a treatable illness while i wrote this sentence? You call atheists fools. Eat your pizza pocket and sit in your warm home and feel sorry for us the ones who actually try to help.
larsonb33 1 year ago
what she did is taught by hostage negotiators and is simple psychology. When in a hostage situation you try to let the hostage taker know who you are and that you are human. You try to identify with him or her so that they see you as a person and not an object! This is why hate groups supply their followers with propaganda to dehumanize their victims making it easier for the attackers to kill them! there was no god involved just a smart woman-god saves those who save themselves! IDIOTS
larsonb33 1 year ago
i am christian i believe there is one god and all will be judged by their faith
videonfan 1 year ago
@videonfan
cool, you believe in a jealous petty god who condemns people to eternal suffering because they don't pamper his ego with worship and belief.
HIGH FIVE!
halloween659 1 year ago
miracle? show me one, documented example of some foot, hand,... kidney growing back and we may talk, mate.
religion doesnt stand against logic.
utar88utar 1 year ago
Now *that* was a weak argument.
- Cited a case that was not a miracle, even by the church's own definition
- Didn't attempt to refute Weinberg's argument
- For the suggested corollary, 'for evil people to do good - that takes a religion', provided no evidence other than this one anecdote that it is true
dbrandow 2 years ago
I understand your point of view, nature is so stupid and mindless that we are able to learn from it. ;)
Makes complete sense that we can learn from a mindless universe.
A bit like learning the english language from a baby, it's not smart, but it's definatly possible that it can teach us the english language! ^^
*sarcasm btw*
Lordes, the mind only contains information that it saw in the universe. Knowledge is JUST information, and information is learned naturally from nature.
FaithAndWisdom 3 years ago
That's my reason behind my belief.
You may be fussy, but you don't really even have that explanation for your side.
I bet you doubt in the existance of human emotions too.
And for that i give in with you, and this time i mean completely.
TheColaGoodfellow 3 years ago
Suddenly everything else that i've said becomes irrelivant to you.
Until nature acts like it lacks intelligence, I'll believe in a God and miracles.
Aslong as I can learn from nature, like I can learn from another intelligent human, I will believe in a God who knows how to teach us and who intends our existance.
TheColaGoodfellow 3 years ago
I believe miracles are possible.
If god's smart enough to keep the laws the same, god's also smart enough to change them if he so wishes.
From hereonin we can keep on being fussy about the details, whether or not their is evidence of miracles.
But lots of old scriptures mention miracles done under different circumstances. (Biblically it's usually down to faith).
TheColaGoodfellow 3 years ago
The newer comment might make more sense. lol
TheColaGoodfellow 3 years ago
The funny thing is, everything that exists might aswell be chaos to God himself. God was never limited and might aswell not be intelligent.
The only reason that God is intelligent to us is because everything that happens is his doing.
The laws are always the same, so we deem him intelligent for being able to keep them that way.
TheColaGoodfellow 3 years ago
Proof is in the pudding, i'll believe nature is not intelligent when it acts like it's not intelligent. When it stops following a law that we can actually understand.
Your view of "no intelligence involved" is how a rock appears to act, without looking at its source. My view of "no intelligence involved" is when an object keeps changing chaotically and beyond reason.
If there is nothing to learn atall then there is clearly no intelligence involved, you can't learn from chaos.
TheColaGoodfellow 3 years ago
Atheism is the same as not beleiving in bacteria. It's the same as believing illness just "happens" and has no explanation.
I've spoken to atheists before just like you who came at me with the exact same arguments, and they saw no contradiction in what I said, so it's clearly not me here who's being picky and/or stubborn.
TheColaGoodfellow 3 years ago
"Sigh, I'm talking to a 4 year old."
(Says the one who has apparantly seen nature act stupidly and not abide by a law, which made him question the existance of a God)
TheColaGoodfellow 3 years ago
And that's it from me.
TheColaGoodfellow 3 years ago
In comparison to atheism which rests on ones own opinion that anything can act independantly of intelligence.
There is no evidence for this, so it is just an opinion.
People say that you can't prove a negative, well it isn't a negative, it's saying a rock can act without a drop of intelligence. The equivalent to saying a rock can fly without wings. Evidence?
TheColaGoodfellow 3 years ago
Rofl, you are claiming you know the facts though.
Earlier on your replied to someones comment basically saying there is no God and nature can act independantly without one.
You made a claim.
You're acting asif i'm a simpleton for my beliefs, when apparantly you don't even claim to know the truth yourself!
I'm quite sure beliefs are true, I've thought over many philosophies on the topic.
TheColaGoodfellow 3 years ago
That's the funny thing abotu alot of atheists, they only hear what they want to hear in a debate.
My last sentence will be a repetition of what i've already said.
You make the claim that the universe is independant, until you have proven that point I have no reason to ignore the idea of a God.
A God of whom I can explain using teh same processes to that in the human mind.
Whilst your theory is unexplainable.
You can't explain how matter can organise itself without being intelligent.
TheColaGoodfellow 3 years ago
Nothing happens without some form of knowledge taking place.
Until you understand that knowledge is just another part of nature you will never understand God, who is the very knowledge present in nature which makes everything work in order.
TheColaGoodfellow 3 years ago
In your own words:
"Do not make claims about something unless you can prove it. "
Until you prove that nature is independant nobody should believe you.
Here you are sayign you don't know what the laws of nature are, but you do know a God doesn't exist. lol
TheColaGoodfellow 3 years ago
I'm sorry, you're too closed minded for me to debate with now.
You've read too much Richard Dawkins and you actually think the existance of many Gods is evidence against ones existance.
A bit like saying the existance of 20 blue balls in a bag makes it more likely the one that you pick is a red ball.
TheColaGoodfellow 3 years ago
I never said sculptures cannot make themselves naturally, i said when did you last see a perfectly sculptured human statue get up and dance without some kind of human help?
You never see nature break its own laws, ironically, despite the fact it apparantly has no intelligence behind it.
To say that beautiful things cannot happen with intelligence is even more stupid.
TheColaGoodfellow 3 years ago
Rofl, seriously. I'm no simpleton, keep in mind that I'm not the one who based my beliefs on the answer of "There is no reason why everything works, it just does".
Sorry, but I expect everything that happens materially to have reason behind it.
Whether it's why people act like they do or the universe itself, it all has a reason.
Humans act like they do because of the human mind, the universe acts like it does is because of God.
I don't need any more proof, it's evidential in itself.
TheColaGoodfellow 3 years ago
You can't learn anything from someone else who doesn't know anything.
You can't learn from a universe that is in constant chaos and has no order.
You can learn from a universe with order and you can learn from someone who knows alot.
I can create order, I can put things in numerical order.
The universe has order.
Just because nature doesn't always do what you want doesn't mean there is no intellect behind it, it defiantly knows more about how it works than you do!
TheColaGoodfellow 3 years ago
If you don't believe in God, you don't believe in nature either.
The only way you can believe in nature and not God is if you say that the universe can act independantly and doesn't need a law to work.
Like saying that a sculpture can start independantly dancing(act) without any intelligence or law involved.
Ofcourse, If you told me nature alone made that happen I wouldn't believe you, and i still don't with the universe.
Basically, your theory has no basis, and no evidence.
TheColaGoodfellow 3 years ago
Yeah, I've seen it, I can see the flaws in both the womans and especially the guys claims.
I've been there, I don't linger on things that are unlikely to be true.
Nothing like this conversation.
You can sit around forever making out asif the "fictional" God is bad, but the "fictional" God is according to the book the guy who gives you all your good things and heaven if you appreciate life, so he's actually Good.
TheColaGoodfellow 3 years ago
God may have told people to kill "innocent" children in the past, but innocent children are already innocent, the chances are on ressurection day that they will go to heaven.
We cannot cherry pick with the Bible on the terms of God, we cannot ignore all the scripture on his love.
TheColaGoodfellow 3 years ago
I haven't looked at them yet, the chances are that after my long-long time browsing i've already seen it.
It doesn't conflict with the Bibles definitions atall, all the love and happiness you will ever experience is there because God put it there, that's scriptural.
He is all-loving, all the love and happiness that exists was put there by him. And he will let thankful and good people live for an eternity.
TheColaGoodfellow 3 years ago
Ok, and you're still not hearing what I'm saying.
Especially considering the fact that you yourself would kill millions of completely innocent flu bacteria just so you don't get a common cold.
Does that make you evil all of a sudden?
The good side of God is the bit you ignore, the fact he's willing to take unperfect humans and let them live forever.
In the end, everything God does to us on earth is unimportant anyway, in comparison to the afterlife which will be perfect forver.
TheColaGoodfellow 3 years ago
I understand that you don't beleive, but please be more careful with your answers.
What you just said is pure circular logic, you said God is evil because he apparantly did bad things, but he apparantly doesn't exist so everything he does for you today doesn't count towards how moral he is.
TheColaGoodfellow 3 years ago
You obviously read the bible with the wrong mindset, you probably have put too much emphasis on the wrong area of the Bible.
But to be frank, i suppose you are half right, over time the bible has been translated by mere humans. So there are rooms for error.
But the original scriptures were definatly, as the Bible says, God breathed. Only the prophets had a close relationship with God.
And the evidence shows that especially the Gospels are not much different than older ones.
TheColaGoodfellow 3 years ago
Yes Lordes, God must be bad for giving you a computer, and money, and the ability to feel happy, and the ability to laugh, and for putting you in a nice warm home, and for giving you a family, and for giving you life in general.
You just keep telling yourself that, hopefully one day you might actually be thankfull for what he has done for you.
(Un thankfulness is the no1 reason why non-believers will not enter heaven)
TheColaGoodfellow 3 years ago
You have no idea what you're messing with do you?
The OT was true, but Jesus himself died so that we don't have to stone you for being ignorant of God.
Jesus said he came to FULFILL the scriptures, this means some of the requirements (such as to be killed for sinning) have already been fulfilled. Look it up.
Nevermind our delusional minds, YOUR delusional mind hasn't read enough of the Bible, nor does it understand the Bible enough to judge us.
TheColaGoodfellow 3 years ago
I like that funky video on your site though. Really groovy
miket1m 3 years ago
You are a dumb shit, really, you are. This is an idiotic argument because you don't know the history of the Bible and your intellectually irrational and your atatement that there is no God is illogical because this claim is a universal negative which is 100% impossible toprove. Negate theistic proof/evidence all day. This still does not disprove the existence of God. Your a moron and a fool and thats in the Bible.
miket1m 3 years ago
Your an idiot do you know that? You talk about something you have no idea of. That was the civil law. There were three laws in the OT. The Jew laws, the civil laws and the moral laws you idiot. We took the moral laws with us. We don't follow the Jewish laws or the civil laws. You dumb shits always go to the OT in an attempt to disprove God. Your an illogical moron. How do you know there is no God? You don't so you full of crap!
miket1m 3 years ago
The Psalms were written by God through man. Bible says all scipture is God breathed 2 Timothy 3:16. These scripture were written by King David. Read the Psalm and you will see. It proves itself. If you don't examine evidence I show you forget this. Go yell at someone else with your closed mind.
miket1m 3 years ago
Look at Psalm 22. This was written 800 years before the birth of Christ and 400 years before the invention of crucifixion. The Bible tells the truth. He is coming, prepare yourself
miket1m 3 years ago
The Premise of Christianity is that we're all sinners and need Jesus, the Incarnation of God into Man, who paid the price for our sins, to save us.
So Weinerberg did get it wrong.
After Katrina where were the Atheist helping people? It was the Churches on the Scene before FEMA knew what hit them. Atheism is the bastion for pseudo-Intellectuals like Hitchens and the "God Delusion" guy.
luvdidfeet 3 years ago
Many religious texts actually require violence from their followers. Read the Old Testament for once in your life Christians. Stop acting as if the religions don't actively tell you to hurt other people.
ramdillian 3 years ago
So - a nutter on an insane killing spree decides to let someone go after he has calmed down a bit. What does this prove about the truth of Christianity, and how does it refute the Weinberg quote? He was an evil man doing evil things - that doesn't require religion.
revjimbob 3 years ago
The Purpose Driven Life didn't do Brian Nichols any good. HE converted to Islam.
PDL doesn't have much truth in it. What it does have is twisted to a man centered false gospel of "purpose."
terriergal 3 years ago
Amen lol your right. But i think the religous people are just scared to question
Dono233 3 years ago
Jesus is coming, prepare yourselves. Praise God.
miket1m 3 years ago
Santa is coming.
revjimbob 3 years ago
Jesus is beautiful, God is Divine.
TheTestDumies 3 years ago
Thank You. God bless.
bigwhammyRocks 3 years ago
@TheTestDumies
Love is beautiful, logic is divine.
halloween659 1 year ago
You need to take your own advice.
bogan182 3 years ago
"try to pick out a quote here and there to support an unsupportable position without filling in any details WHY."
-It is too difficult here to addres all of your error. I try not to waste more than 1 comment here at a time.
-What unsupportable position? Your first comment is worthless. No reasonable person will be hoodwinked into believing that a christian upbringing contributes to horrible behavior. If you wanted to stress other religions you started off all wrong. Not my fault. (More)
SavedTru8 3 years ago
-Your second point in defending atheism from it's practitioners by pitting them with the religious is also very childish.
-We all know it starts with worldviews and they formulate their beliefs(dogmatic or not) around their worldview(atheism) So yes, their atheism was a contributing factor. A counter from bigwham as you try to claim that christianity was somehow a contributing factor to Dahmer's insanity. Even though that's so illogical to say supprressing homosexual impulses leads to insanity.
SavedTru8 3 years ago
"With that all nicety has gone out the window."
-Not once, have you exhibited anything relative to "nicety".
"somehow you think you scored a victory for your religion?"
Everyone can read (in order) what has been written, from your very first insults to your very last. I never argued for my religion, only refuted your claims and blames*.
SavedTru8 3 years ago
"Of course I am going to use christian references"
-Exactly. So I was justified.
"Because many atheists were brought up with religion"
-Doesn't mean they understand it.
"what atheism ACTUALLY is"
- I had to teach you. Sad, I know.
SavedTru8 3 years ago 2
Teaching someone atheism is trying to lead them to hell.
bigwhammyRocks 3 years ago
@bigwhammyRocks There is no hell, you superstitious fools.
jymbo1969 1 year ago
Some of those men in prison were atheists when they commited the crime. They converted in prision. So when surveyed they answered they were Christains. Thoses stats don't account for that. --they are meaningless.
bigwhammyRocks 3 years ago
-Being that two of your examples (Most significantly, your first comment) were christianity specific... I think I was justified in assuming as much. Yet... i'm still befuddled. There are other religions!
"you are under the impression I was never a christian"
-Actually, I predicted it. My points still stand.
"Uppercase/lowercase"
-Was my way of italicizing. Relax.
"We are not friends"
-Even more reason to be kind.
"Thick Skull (not think skull)"
-It's ok... I don't have a red pen. :)
SavedTru8 3 years ago
Hmmm... Aside from the unrelenting snide remarks aimed with such malice... It seems as if you're trying to put together a case against Christianity... by using the AsSuMeD results of Christianity.
However... You must first ThOroUgHlY understand what "Christianity" is.
Understanding Christianity and it's PaRaMeTeRs will be your first and most essential measure my friend. Prepare for an exhilarating and edifying journey. Keep an open mind... GL and God Bless.
SavedTru8 3 years ago
1st quote:" Jeffrey Dahmer was raised as a christian fundamentalist"
2nd quote:" I never claimed that Dahmer accepted or rejected religion"
3rd quote: "he could not acknowledge his homosexuality... lead to psychiatric problems."
Ok... so the 3rd quote is the your foci. You blaim christianity b/c it says you cannot be homosexual. In reaction, Dahmer became a crazy murderer. I hope I haven't made another straw man. This speaks for itself. Let's be clear. Is this what you believe?
SavedTru8 3 years ago
"man you really missed the point big time"
--- Oh... I hope not.
"religion very likely influenced Dalmers world view"
--- Your first comment would allude us to believe that "Christianity" influenced Dahmer's worldview. Truthfully, it was a lack of Christianity that Dahmer embraced.
"Atheism is a LACK of belief in god. Nothing more nothing less."
--- Which in and of itself, is a belief that there is no God. Simple rewording my friend.
--- If I am still missing the point, i'm sorry.
SavedTru8 3 years ago
" a BELIEF influences how you behave and atheism is nothing more than a lack of belief then this is pointless."
GOOD POINT!
Since belief influences how you behave, and atheists do not have belief. That explains their lack of morals. Thanks for being honest.
bigwhammyRocks 3 years ago
@SuperFlyNB
"How do you do things in the name of something you don't believe in?"
--- Well, first it starts with a worldview. Then, one formulates the rest of their beliefs accordingly.
--- Those "atheists" mentioned above EvoLveD their beliefs from an atheistic worldview. Yes, they're beliefs are as valid as any of your own beliefs. Dogmatic or not, they came as atheist. Need I remind you of your first comment? Do you know what makes a Christian, a Christian?
SavedTru8 3 years ago
@SuperFlyNB
"Being an Atheists does not immunize someone from dogma.. these crimes were done in the name of communism, not atheism."
--- You categorize atheists with the religious b/c they believe differently than you. Yet their "atheism" is what leads them to believe however and whatever they want. It's all subjective to them. One atheist's personal developed, "EvoLveD", empathy and morals/beliefs is as valid as any other atheist's. Further, it's far superior to the religious! Si?
SavedTru8 3 years ago
actually neither you nor weinberg are right. this video is proof against weinberg and 9-11 and many other things are proof agains you.
zapopaul 3 years ago
Absolutely NOT true. Weinberg said for GOOD people to do evil that takes religion. So you have to prove that the terrorists who did 911 were GOOD people. I say they were not. Now on my side Brian Nichols had killed 4 people that day so obviously when he let her go - an evil person did good. QED
bigwhammyRocks 3 years ago
This is a great video but i would like to add that Rick Warren is a false prophet and is very dangerous. Other than that great video *****
theheat151 3 years ago
Christ can turn even the hardest of hearts.
fellowservant34 3 years ago
Religion is Man's Best Effort to Reach God, When Religion is Involved it Causes Wars and all Kinds of Disagreements, But a Relationship is what Christianity is, a Personal Relationship with Jesus Christ. All Roads don't Lead to Heaven. All "Religions" can't be Right. Jesus Christ Came Down and Died on the Cross for Our Sins, So We Can Be Forgiven and Spend Eternity in Heaven with Him, Where We Will Be in the Glory of God. Romans 10:9. Repend and Be Saved By Faith in Jesus, Turn Away from Sin.
iluvlp101 3 years ago
I loved this video, you did a great job brother, keep em coming and keep us up on this case... God bless you...Thank you.
Yokeup 3 years ago
Which his parents religion is relevant how? I guess since you think it is, I can then point out that the biggest mass murderers in history Chairman Mao and Joesph Stalin were atheists. (not just their parents)
Thanks for sharing.
bigwhammyRocks 3 years ago
Wasn't methamphetamine involved in Smith's release?
quemacha 3 years ago
Hahaha hilarious... your comment was a straw man to begin with! My video never claimed to prove Christianity was "true", that was all you! It just provided a counter example to Weinberg's canard about religion being the cause of good people doing evil. You decided to create this piece of sophistry as your strawman defense to your illogical position.
"will you also accept Islam as true?"
So me bringing up reason why I believe Christianity is true and Islam is not is entirely fair.
bigwhammyRocks 3 years ago
And the value of throwing around impotent anecdotes is what exactly?
philstilwell 3 years ago
Perhaps you're confused, so let me elaborate.
Anecdotes carry little weight in arguments where there are millions of personal stories to consider. This is where statistics come in handy. If can make your case statistically in a well-designed study, that would be impressive. An anecdote is not.
philstilwell 3 years ago
It's a counterexample to "it takes relgion to make good people do evil". QED
bigwhammyRocks 3 years ago
God bless you, Cris! Keep up the good work.
acpmc93 3 years ago
This is very anecdotal, but to give you a chance to be fair, if I find a similar anecdote about how reading the Koran resulted in a similar "miracle", will you also accept Islam as true?
philstilwell 3 years ago
No because the Koran doesn't have fulfilled prophecies to back it up. (check out my 70 weeks of Daniel video) I believe I was dispelling the canard that "it takes religion to make good people do evil" not whether any thing in particular is true. It seems you reached the conclusion that Christianity is true entirely on your own. Congratulations!
bigwhammyRocks 3 years ago
Non sequitur. Interjecting a new topic of prophecies to try to salvage an inconsistency in your position on miracles is dishonest at best.
philstilwell 3 years ago 2
What?? May I assume that you're an athiest? Why does he even have to be making an arguement at all? He's merely telling you why he believes in the bible. It's not an arguement to be refuted.
BudManInChrist 3 years ago
All arguments are subject to refutation.
I don't understand your claim they are not.
If someone told you that they believe in Peter Pan, could you not refute that?
philstilwell 3 years ago
And especially if someone tells you the "why" on anything, you can refute it with a "why not". This is the very nature of arguments.
philstilwell 3 years ago
I just find your response to his answering your question very interesting. You seem to like to use "logic" to argue your point and you claim that his response is both inconsistant and dishonest
BudManInChrist 3 years ago
Yet, his video was making one point and his answering your question was making another point. Yet you dismiss his point not on any real basis but because it doesn't fit your basis of "logic"
BudManInChrist 3 years ago
Why don't you instead look into the many prophecies that have been fufilled in the bible instead of arguing against his response fitting into your "logic" mores
BudManInChrist 3 years ago
BTW I also know something about logic and it is a logical fact that something cannot be proven valid but something can only be proven invalid. Using science cannot prove the existance of God invalid. Neither can your arguements.
BudManInChrist 3 years ago
I'll grant the fact that we have different concepts of logic.
To me, an acceptable response to a questions should be at least include the terms of the question.
To you, an acceptable response is to interject anything such as prophecy.
This does seem to be "christian logic".
And be careful how you categorize your god, for by employing your own terms, using science cannot prove the existence of Santa invalid.
philstilwell 3 years ago
Indeed, you are right about Santa, people just find out that he's not real. There's no need for "logic" there. God however is another matter entirely. Your eternal destiny is at stake in your belief or disbelief in God.
Again, he was answering your question. You chose to reject his answer. Was it on merit? No, it was on breaking your "logic" mores. So instead of investigating the matter and seeing whether he really has a point you choose to dismiss his answer entirely.
BudManInChrist 3 years ago
The sad thing about all of this is that you just cannot see that he, like all of us christians, is trying to help you save your immortal soul. And you will probably not see the truth of it until it's too late.
BudManInChrist 3 years ago
So, by all means, dismiss his point. Indeed, keep telling yourself that all of us christians are deluded and ignorant, never seeing that you are in fact doing yourself a disservice. I will tell you the truth, Jesus Christ will return and set up His glorious kingdom. Where will you be when it happens?
BudManInChrist 3 years ago
"The sad thing about this is that I have brought more people to the lord than you have, have read the greek new testament through eleven times, and have spent much more time contemplating the reality of god than you have."
I wonder what makes him think he knows more than someone he has never met?And he calls you arrogant? Wow Satan is good at deception. He's been assimilated.
bigwhammyRocks 3 years ago
The sad thing about this is that I have brought more people to the lord than you have, have read the greek new testament through eleven times, and have spent much more time contemplating the reality of god than you have. Yet, your arrogance will force you to dismiss my experience out of hand without honestly asking me to explain my reasons for disbelieving.
You have effectively demonstrated that you have neither the mental facilities, nor the humility to listen. So I'll end here.
philstilwell 3 years ago
The video never claimed to be proof of Christianity as true. It addresses Weinberg's canard. You simply created straw man "If I find a similar story with a Muslim, will you accept Islam as true" You changed the subject and now whine because I offered evidence on the new subject. So it is completely fair game to bring in a new reason. It was an entirely new topic. You are the one guilty of logical fallacy. You created a straw man with your very first comment and are still whining about it now.
bigwhammyRocks 3 years ago