The scientific theory of anthropogenic global warming is based on irrefutable conclusions from the thermodynamic properties of greenhouse gases and from empirical evidence:
@substanti8 except the Average atmospheric Global CO2 today is roughly 380ppm, while in the 1100s - ice cores show - it was over 1400ppm. That's right, Four Times as much CO2 as we have now - but this 1/4th level is going to bring us to the End of the World!!
Get real.
The 1100s didn't cause global flooding, or massive disaster.. It Fed People by causing the largest Agricultural Boom in history.
No, your claims about the ice core data are ridiculous.
The current level of atmospheric CO2 is higher than at any time in the past 15 million years.
tiny. cc/Tripati
When CO2 was last that high, "global temperatures were 5 to 10 degrees Fahrenheit higher than they are today, the sea level was approximately 75 to 120 feet higher than today, there was no permanent sea ice cap in the Arctic, and [there was] very little ice on Antarctica and Greenland."
@substanti8 Sorry, you are simply wrong. Ice cores indicate periods in human history where the average co2 was nearly 2000 parts for more than 10 consecutive years.
If our current levels of less than 400 is such a threat, how did we survive those spans of time?
Earth's greenhouse gasses are more than 80% water vapor, and less than 5% co2. And of all atmospheric co2, less than 3% is from human activity. So even if the greenhouse effect was the Only heat, humans are < 0.15% of it.
"The carbon dioxide (CO2) content of the atmosphere has varied cyclically between ~180 and ~280 parts per million by volume over the past 800,000 years, closely coupled with temperature and sea level."
"The American Association for the Advancement of Science, is an international non-profit organization dedicated to advancing science around the world by serving as an educator, leader, spokesperson and professional association. In addition to organizing membership activities, AAAS publishes the journal SCIENCE, as well as many scientific newsletters, books and reports, and spearheads programs that raise the bar of understanding for science worldwide."
@substanti8 The really interesting question is why so many people still support this bogus claim when there has been no warming for 10 years and we have falsified the basic assumption of the AGW warmists. Whatever the reason, it has NOTHING to do with the science.
@substanti8 CO2 is a trace gas. The only danger it poses is related to the atmospheric response to increased CO2 levels. Namely, that it leads to more water vapor (the most important greenhouse gas BTW). We have learned in the last 20 years that all the models and hysteria are based on a FALSE assumption about how much water vapor will enter the atmosphere due to an increase in CO2. There is no SCIENTIFIC reason to impede 3rd world progress and destroy western economies.
So you seem to think that something occurring in very small concentration couldn't possibly have a large effect. You apparently have no clue about how incredibly stupid that makes you look.
The current atmospheric concentration of CO2 is about 400 ppm. Botulism toxin is lethal at a blood concentration of about 0.00001 ppm.
Yet by your "logic" such a concentration of botulism couldn't possibly be dangerous.
@substanti8 Calling me 'stupid' is a very convincing argument. It's exactly the kind of behavior I've come to expect from the warmist camp. Kudos. Your point would be well taken and worth the time to debate if you weren't such an asshole.
If you don't want people to think you're stupid, then don't post incredibly stupid comments.
"warmist"
Oh, you're sooooo clever to use a term that slyly insinuates that the overwhelming consensus of a vast body of climate science is just a CULT. It's a good thing that you're such a FREE THINKER, rather than someone who regurgitates talking points from the most powerful vested interest in history.
Ah, JUNK SCIENCE in the name of the NEW WORLD ORDER and AGENDA 21! NASA is a defense department military industrial complex that specializes in killing and covering up the truth. So of course the sheeple that are drugged up and fluorinated and distracted with junk entertainment meant to destroy all common sense and critical thinking will gladly be spoon fed this obvious garbage because they are socially engineered to love and trust all authority even though our history proves that that's INSANE.
Holy run-on paranoia, Batman. Didn't you forget to mention that all those climate scientists are involved in a great communist conspiracy to tear down the American Dream of limitless consumption? Isn't that part of the anti-science narrative that was planted into your "free-thinking" mind?
@substanti8 Well I know your for agenda 21 which is a NW0 plan to rid all countries of sovereignty and force communist corporate fascism down our throats. You didn't deny their obvious truth that is the military industrial complex and the banking elite that control all of the masses and encourage them to over consume. Hegallian dialect is what you have here. I could win on the argument alone that just 1 nuclear bomb destroys the planet & they've let off 2000+. That's just for starters
These GW restrictions are to make sure that no poor/middle class person ever again achieves a level of affluence that Al Gore & the entire environmental elitist have. With these restrictions will keep everything stagnate with Al and his cronies on top flying their private jets and living the life styles of the rich and famous. The rest of us will have to live in homes of less than 900 square feet, a diet of 1000 calories per day & a 1 child family restriction enforced with Chinese zeal
And the funny story also is that the very same people that own the companies that destroy the forests and contaminate the oceans fund these educational programs to have regular people used to poverty and austerity. Good thing people can still think and counter the propaganda.
Perhaps NASA could do a cartoon on how a greenhouse works & why plants thrive due to the CO2 created by heat that is magnified through the glass, unfortunately the NASA goons tell us its the other way around in which case nothing would grow,But it seems propaganda, child brainwashing & guaranteed funding goes before basic science.
The Polar Bear Specialist Group of the International Union for the Conservation of Nature (IUCN), the organization of scientists that has attempted to monitor the global polar bear population since the 1960s, has issued a report indicating that there was no change in the overall global polar bear population in the most recent four-year period studied.
“The total number of polar bears is still thought to be between 20,000 and 25,000,”
Mind trash for those unable to think for themselves...that's all this is. Every wonder why the solution to this problem is cold hard cash? It's a scam.
I always thought it was the EPA's job to be the terrorists of jobs in the US, now its the phonies of NASA doing the job...maybe they do deserve their spending cut !
@Lasagnabox Apparently it didn't occur to you to type "fake global warming data" into Any search engine to find the articles.
They have been caught faking buoy temperature readings, caught faking salinity readings, caught multiplying ice measurements by factors of <1, and lets not forget the mass mailing they slipped up with last year explaining to newbies to the field HOW to fake data that would be Least likely to be discovered false.
The Science of Greenhouse Effect is sound, but Not AGW.
@eslake You'll never bring them to the truth. We showed them the timelines Al Gore showed on his film, but with the real timeline, proving heat increases precede the co2 increases in climate history. Effect doesn't precede cause in weather.
we showed them the photographic polar cap freeze and thaw cycles, then showed the same cycles on Mars but they still swore it was manmade.
As you said, I suppose that means Martians are driving SUVs as well.
@eslake Well, no, of course it did. It's just that I am also able to weigh reliability of sources. Gotta tell you, climate change deniers seem to lack this ability.
So over 10,000 scientists, most of whom are in fields directly related to the issue, who are not paid to support it but free to observe the data and make rational observations : are LESS credible than Al Gore, who flunked high school science, and a team of educators who were told if they don't support it they will lose tenure?
wow the brainwashing for children is far worse than I thought.
MrHangbush 8 months ago
The scientific theory of anthropogenic global warming is based on irrefutable conclusions from the thermodynamic properties of greenhouse gases and from empirical evidence:
watch?v=yLYqzIhhT6o
All of these things are changing:
• When seasons change
• When flowers bloom
• When birds migrate
• When animals mate or spawn
• When streams reach their peak flow
• When ice breaks on frozen lakes
dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature06937
substanti8 9 months ago 4
@substanti8 except the Average atmospheric Global CO2 today is roughly 380ppm, while in the 1100s - ice cores show - it was over 1400ppm. That's right, Four Times as much CO2 as we have now - but this 1/4th level is going to bring us to the End of the World!!
Get real.
The 1100s didn't cause global flooding, or massive disaster.. It Fed People by causing the largest Agricultural Boom in history.
eslake 9 months ago
@eslake
No, your claims about the ice core data are ridiculous.
The current level of atmospheric CO2 is higher than at any time in the past 15 million years.
tiny. cc/Tripati
When CO2 was last that high, "global temperatures were 5 to 10 degrees Fahrenheit higher than they are today, the sea level was approximately 75 to 120 feet higher than today, there was no permanent sea ice cap in the Arctic, and [there was] very little ice on Antarctica and Greenland."
And that's where we're headed again.
substanti8 9 months ago 4
@substanti8 Sorry, you are simply wrong. Ice cores indicate periods in human history where the average co2 was nearly 2000 parts for more than 10 consecutive years.
If our current levels of less than 400 is such a threat, how did we survive those spans of time?
Earth's greenhouse gasses are more than 80% water vapor, and less than 5% co2. And of all atmospheric co2, less than 3% is from human activity. So even if the greenhouse effect was the Only heat, humans are < 0.15% of it.
pblimquest 9 months ago
@pblimquest
"periods in human history where the average CO2 was nearly 2000 parts"
Parts per what? You don't even understand what you're writing. And you provide ZERO evidence to support your wing-nut beliefs.
In contrast, I posted my source, which is probably far more credible than anything you could conjure.
tiny. cc/Tripati
substanti8 9 months ago 3
dx.doi.org/10.1126/science.1178296
Science | 4 Dec 2009
Vol. 326 | no. 5958 | pp. 1394-1397
"The carbon dioxide (CO2) content of the atmosphere has varied cyclically between ~180 and ~280 parts per million by volume over the past 800,000 years, closely coupled with temperature and sea level."
substanti8 9 months ago 3
aaas. org/aboutaaas
"The American Association for the Advancement of Science, is an international non-profit organization dedicated to advancing science around the world by serving as an educator, leader, spokesperson and professional association. In addition to organizing membership activities, AAAS publishes the journal SCIENCE, as well as many scientific newsletters, books and reports, and spearheads programs that raise the bar of understanding for science worldwide."
substanti8 9 months ago 3
@substanti8 The really interesting question is why so many people still support this bogus claim when there has been no warming for 10 years and we have falsified the basic assumption of the AGW warmists. Whatever the reason, it has NOTHING to do with the science.
Aeronomer 9 months ago
@Aeronomer
"no warming for 10 years"
(1) ncdc.noaa. gov/sotc/global/2010/13
(2) goo. gl/bJ9Tr
substanti8 9 months ago 3
@substanti8 CO2 is a trace gas. The only danger it poses is related to the atmospheric response to increased CO2 levels. Namely, that it leads to more water vapor (the most important greenhouse gas BTW). We have learned in the last 20 years that all the models and hysteria are based on a FALSE assumption about how much water vapor will enter the atmosphere due to an increase in CO2. There is no SCIENTIFIC reason to impede 3rd world progress and destroy western economies.
Aeronomer 9 months ago
@Aeronomer
"CO2 is a trace gas."
So you seem to think that something occurring in very small concentration couldn't possibly have a large effect. You apparently have no clue about how incredibly stupid that makes you look.
The current atmospheric concentration of CO2 is about 400 ppm. Botulism toxin is lethal at a blood concentration of about 0.00001 ppm.
Yet by your "logic" such a concentration of botulism couldn't possibly be dangerous.
substanti8 9 months ago 4
@substanti8 Calling me 'stupid' is a very convincing argument. It's exactly the kind of behavior I've come to expect from the warmist camp. Kudos. Your point would be well taken and worth the time to debate if you weren't such an asshole.
Aeronomer 9 months ago
@Aeronomer
If you don't want people to think you're stupid, then don't post incredibly stupid comments.
"warmist"
Oh, you're sooooo clever to use a term that slyly insinuates that the overwhelming consensus of a vast body of climate science is just a CULT. It's a good thing that you're such a FREE THINKER, rather than someone who regurgitates talking points from the most powerful vested interest in history.
substanti8 9 months ago
Ah, JUNK SCIENCE in the name of the NEW WORLD ORDER and AGENDA 21! NASA is a defense department military industrial complex that specializes in killing and covering up the truth. So of course the sheeple that are drugged up and fluorinated and distracted with junk entertainment meant to destroy all common sense and critical thinking will gladly be spoon fed this obvious garbage because they are socially engineered to love and trust all authority even though our history proves that that's INSANE.
teargardens 9 months ago
@teargardens
Holy run-on paranoia, Batman. Didn't you forget to mention that all those climate scientists are involved in a great communist conspiracy to tear down the American Dream of limitless consumption? Isn't that part of the anti-science narrative that was planted into your "free-thinking" mind?
substanti8 9 months ago 2
@substanti8 Well I know your for agenda 21 which is a NW0 plan to rid all countries of sovereignty and force communist corporate fascism down our throats. You didn't deny their obvious truth that is the military industrial complex and the banking elite that control all of the masses and encourage them to over consume. Hegallian dialect is what you have here. I could win on the argument alone that just 1 nuclear bomb destroys the planet & they've let off 2000+. That's just for starters
teargardens 9 months ago
@teargardens
For those too stupid to understand it, the modern world is a fearful place, full of conspiracies.
substanti8 9 months ago
@substanti8 NO shiiiit what your point?
teargardens 9 months ago
How did an albino camel get onto an iceberg?
preparation88 9 months ago
These GW restrictions are to make sure that no poor/middle class person ever again achieves a level of affluence that Al Gore & the entire environmental elitist have. With these restrictions will keep everything stagnate with Al and his cronies on top flying their private jets and living the life styles of the rich and famous. The rest of us will have to live in homes of less than 900 square feet, a diet of 1000 calories per day & a 1 child family restriction enforced with Chinese zeal
cupera1 9 months ago
And the funny story also is that the very same people that own the companies that destroy the forests and contaminate the oceans fund these educational programs to have regular people used to poverty and austerity. Good thing people can still think and counter the propaganda.
AStamer 9 months ago
So, I guess they need something to do seeing as we're ending our presence in space...
Dontana808 9 months ago
For a second there I thought the crashing spaceship was one of those useless, overly expensive satellites NASA keeps sending into orbit.
bloodrunsclear 9 months ago 3
Wow, stay classy NASA.
If you can't argue with facts? Indoctrinate the future generation!
FiveofHearts1 9 months ago
@FiveofHearts1
Climate cranks? Facts?
That's like oil and water.
substanti8 9 months ago 8
This piece of junk global warming propaganda by NASA made to target indoctrinable kids, is in my view criminal child abuse.
Pure and simple!
Despicable!
PerStrand 9 months ago
Brainwashing kids with lies. The planet is now COOLING. The troposphere and oceans are cooling. Get the message.
david222444 9 months ago
What a pile excrement--all Propaganda --need to keep the grant $ Money-- flowing
cosa65 9 months ago
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What a pile excrement--all Propaganda --need to keep the grant $ Money-- flowing
cosa65 9 months ago
Cns news is pointing out that this is Propagnda . thanks CNS
stabg289 9 months ago
Perhaps NASA could do a cartoon on how a greenhouse works & why plants thrive due to the CO2 created by heat that is magnified through the glass, unfortunately the NASA goons tell us its the other way around in which case nothing would grow,But it seems propaganda, child brainwashing & guaranteed funding goes before basic science.
no1froggy 9 months ago
fucking sick bastards.
Humanity is the problem eh? Why don't we just cull the herd then. Eugenics are alive and well in these United States.
dupes6044 9 months ago
how long before they cut off comments on this piece of bilge.
laurelbush 9 months ago
up from 6000 in the 1960's
laurelbush 9 months ago
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The Polar Bear Specialist Group of the International Union for the Conservation of Nature (IUCN), the organization of scientists that has attempted to monitor the global polar bear population since the 1960s, has issued a report indicating that there was no change in the overall global polar bear population in the most recent four-year period studied.
“The total number of polar bears is still thought to be between 20,000 and 25,000,”
laurelbush 9 months ago
Mind trash for those unable to think for themselves...that's all this is. Every wonder why the solution to this problem is cold hard cash? It's a scam.
justaquickpeak 9 months ago
I always thought it was the EPA's job to be the terrorists of jobs in the US, now its the phonies of NASA doing the job...maybe they do deserve their spending cut !
antidoteco 9 months ago
My grandfather lived through an era where we went from horses to landing on the moon. NASA was so well respected in 1969!
Now instead of scientists, they are hiring cartoonists, and rather poor ones at that.
mollesjohn 9 months ago
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ALL BULLSHIT
cfini72 9 months ago
Deforestation, Yes, Pollution, Yes.
But for the untold-thousands time, Anthropogenic Global Warming is a Hoax.
You don't have to Fake Data to back real science, but they KEEP getting caught faking Global Warming data.
It is all about control. Water Vapor is the Primary Greenhouse Gas on Earth (more than 80% of all greenhouse gas) but they can't TAX a Cloud.
If they try to push this Garbage Pseudoscience on my children... so help me...
eslake 9 months ago
@eslake Getting caught faking data? Do tell... I'd be interested to know where you pulled that line from.
Fact is, the science behind AGW is actually sound. You might not like that fact, but it's still a fact.
Lasagnabox 9 months ago
@Lasagnabox Apparently it didn't occur to you to type "fake global warming data" into Any search engine to find the articles.
They have been caught faking buoy temperature readings, caught faking salinity readings, caught multiplying ice measurements by factors of <1, and lets not forget the mass mailing they slipped up with last year explaining to newbies to the field HOW to fake data that would be Least likely to be discovered false.
The Science of Greenhouse Effect is sound, but Not AGW.
eslake 9 months ago
@eslake You'll never bring them to the truth. We showed them the timelines Al Gore showed on his film, but with the real timeline, proving heat increases precede the co2 increases in climate history. Effect doesn't precede cause in weather.
we showed them the photographic polar cap freeze and thaw cycles, then showed the same cycles on Mars but they still swore it was manmade.
As you said, I suppose that means Martians are driving SUVs as well.
pblimquest 9 months ago
@eslake Well, no, of course it did. It's just that I am also able to weigh reliability of sources. Gotta tell you, climate change deniers seem to lack this ability.
Lasagnabox 9 months ago
@Lasagnabox haha!
So over 10,000 scientists, most of whom are in fields directly related to the issue, who are not paid to support it but free to observe the data and make rational observations : are LESS credible than Al Gore, who flunked high school science, and a team of educators who were told if they don't support it they will lose tenure?
OVostashi 9 months ago