Richard Dawkins ist Francesco Schettino des Wissenschaftsbetriebs, der das Schiff der exakten Naturwissenschaften in die Havarie der atheistischen Halbwissenschaften zusteuert. Mit seinem waghalsigen Manöver eines Hasardeurs wird er die unzähligen Passanten der "Costa Scienza" in die unmoralische Vernunftlosigkeit kentern.
Dawkins states:"I am not interesting to learn theology"."I put evidence before people" how this poor man acquired knowledge to badly criticize religion? as matter of fact this foolish biologist scoff at Muslim and Christian people as result. although Dawkins it is not convict criminal, this wicked person bears an evil heart, such unpleasant mouth spits lies, resentment & bitterness to take verbal extreme hostility against faith and religious belief. British should be shamed about Dawkins ...
"Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given to the profane masses is another useful idiot for Jesuit machinations"-C.O.
Jesuitical: pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuits completely altered the education system to suit their evolution agenda to discredit the Bible. They cant have a Satanic society of 'Do as Thou Wilt' if people still follow the Bible.
@GoCo77 No they were nice people who love alll no matter what their belief or lack off one. The pilots lost orientation, and thought those long tall structures were landing strips. Oops sorry!
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@manutd94fanman Had it not been for the incredible mishandling of War debt placed upon the German People after WWI it is unlikely that a demagogue like Hitler could have taken hold on the German Psyche and society
@manutd94fnman It has been said that America has never been a Christian nation, or that our founders were a bunch of atheists, agnostics, and deists. But consider the facts. At least 50 of the 55 framers of the U. S. Constitution were Christians Every single American president has taken his oath on the Bible and has referenced God in his inaugural address.
How does that make it a christion nation? America is home to every religion in the world and a constitution that divides state and church. The non-existing bond between the state and the church is what made religion flourish in America. How is that so hard to understand?
@manutd94fanman Because it was created by Christians. Whats not to understand. Thomas Jefferson too, was Christian and not the deist you people claim him to be.
Thomas Jefferson was not a Christian but that's beside the point. Most of the founding fathers probably had slaves. Does that make America a slave-owning nation? The fact that America is a secular nation is something every american should be proud of. My country was a "Christian nation" for roughly 1000 years and it brought nothing but opression.
@manutd94fanman Sez you! Thomas Jefferson had betrayed, throughout his life, a belief in Christ while showing tolerance for all faiths nonetheless. Your babbling is scarcely worth addressing here. America wasn't FOUNDED on principals of slave owning you insufferable bore.
And you have NO idea all that you have to thank Christianity for.
@youngoldbones [cont] "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions,[cont]
@youngoldbones [cont: quote continued] I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
@youngoldbones He was only a Xtian in a very narrow sense: he thought that Christ, if he had existed, had some interesting things to teach us, but he seems not to have been making claims for him beyond any other philosopher or political leader. He wrote the Jefferson Bible, explicitly getting rid of the bits that did not relate to Christ and on which the whole of modern Judeo-Xtianity is built. Here's a quote: [cont]
@youngoldbones Forget that your presidents have taken their oath on the Bible. This is meaningless. One recent one went on to lie and this led to Watergate. Another took the US into wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and one spent a not inconsiderable time having his dick sucked in the Whitehouse. The Bible is utterly irrelevant. The founding fathers of your country separated state and religion and were admirable in doing so. Watch Christopher Hitchens on the subject.
eevil123 Awwww "evil123" what's the matter was "evil" already taken? LOL! Hypocritical argument you pose here, you blame Christianity when Christians promulgated battles and caused death and destruction over their belief systems. Now it's your turn to stand like a man and take your lumps. Evolutionary creed has inspired more destruction than the church ever has, and in a much shorter time Span. Nice chatting with you "evil".
Haha nobody like him goes about harming people. Who's he kidding? Evolutionists opened the door for Hitler's Eugenics inspired belief in a master race. Oliver Wendell Holmes wanted to have people sterilized based on their unfitness to procreate. It's a sordid little episode in the U.S. That gets little press, but came about due to adherence to and a desire to control the destiny of the species based on evolutionary theory. Dawkins you Ignorant, disingenuous bastard.
Hitler based his belief on a misinterpretation of the evolutionary theory, when seen through the human perspective. They thought they were doing the job that sould be done by "evolution" when, in practice, the standard " Survival of the fittest" doesn't really apply to humans. We will only gain from everyone surviving, thus killing "weak" people is counter productive.
And you say evolution opened the door for Hitler? What about 2000 years of persucution from the catholics?
@manutd94fanman We could also make the argument that the "faithful" have grossly misinterpreted Jesus teachings in their persecution of other faiths. No, it cannot be avoided here. Evolutionary doctrine was embraced wholeheartedly by Hitler, not to mention Oliver Wendal Holmes with our own attempts here in this country in purging unworthy genetic specimens. Do your homework. You will see the connections.
Of course I see the connection. What I mean is that even before Darwin presented his theory jews were considered lesser beings (and I doubt parapelegics wasn't looked down upon). 2000 years of ruthless persecution of jews made damn sure that it would be easy to see them as vermin, the bible justifying slavery didn't make it any easier for black people and religions generally regarding homosexuality as a sin made sure that it was classified as a diasease up untill the 70's.
@manutd94fanman what people overlook is what happened to those in Germany who were retarded, mentally ill, and in any other way deficient as human beings, what Hitler did to those people was without question, a result of Hitlers perceptions of Darwinism, he took the ideas and theory of evolution to its logical conclusion. Eliminate those people whose existence does not serve the state. Hitler included Jews in this equation cause he conferred those traits of disservice to the state upon them.
I guess in that sense you're kind of right but I still doubt they were treated much better before Darwin's theory. It's not like the contempt for these types of people arose solely out of Darwinism. And it was Hitlers own perception of the theory , a perception today regarded as pseudo scientific and absolutely immoral. So yes, this misguided view of social Darwinism played a roll and so did religion and I think we can both agree that the wave of Nationalism didn't help either.
@manutd94fanman Aahhh! But don't you see, it was religious morality that held this contempt in check. After all, if we are all just products of natural selection, with no supreme arbiter of right and wrong, and if these people hold NO VALUE to society and are indeed a hindrence and a drag on that society. It only stands to reason for people who truly see themselves as working for the overall good of their society, that it there should be no reason NOT to put these useless people to death.
@manutd94fanman Heres the main point where people who impugn religiosity fail in their efforts to deny culpibility for similar atrocities. Christians, or rather people using religion as a smokescreen for darker intentions by way of battling factions of belief, have caused some 5 or 6 million deaths throughout history. The TEACHINGS OF CHRIST if held to would bring UTOPIA. However imperfect followers have distorted and convoluted the message and have sometimes caused pain.
Don't know where you've gotten those figures from, I would say they're far bigger, but whatever. In my book, having a world full of people who are skeptics would bring a much better world. Unfortunately
@manutd94fanman Dr Walter Martin puts the number of Christian inspired deaths at 5 or 6 million. Those governments inspired by Darwins theory of evolution have cause over ten times that number and in less than one century.
@manutd94fanman I disagree, sketpics are those who like to stand on the sidelines and rail, only rarely do they get off their asses and do the legwork necessary to support their arguments.
@manutd94fanman Skeptic : One who instinctively or habitually doubts, questions, or disagrees with assertions or generally accepted conclusions. Yeah I don't see any "accomplishments" in that description.
Skepticism is how you obtain knowledge by questioning and doubting "truths" without sufficient evidence. What it accomplishes, my dear friend, is a mind free of such pollutions as irrational beliefs, whether in deitys, homeopathy or holocaust denialism.
If you don't see the benefit of thinking critically, well, then you're probably not worth discussing with, seeing as it is a fundamental part of having an open mind.
@manutd94fanman by exercising critical thinking I can recognize a hypocrite when I see one. i.e. Richard Dawkins and the rest of his allies who go about criticizing Christianity. If not for people who had Deity inspired morals and respect for life, we might all be living in one of those Sci-Fi dystopian futures where people step into booths for annihilation because the state feels that their lives serve no purpose. Dawkins belief in Moral relativism leads into the morass of Nazism & Communism.
There's a huge difference between what Dakwkins is doing now and the eugenics that flourished in the early 20th century.
Again, eugenics is a pseudo science. Its only purpose was to confirm those prejudices already in existence, partly thanks to religion, and partly thanks to the nationalism and the tensions and myths it created.
Our moral is secular, what you choose to consider literal in the bible is based of secular morality
@manutd94fanman "Our moral is secular, what you choose to consider literal in the bible is based of secular morality".
Hah? What meaning does this last fumbling statement hope to convey?
Once again, there is a huge difference between the teachings of Christ and the behavior of some of his "followers" but your people have no problem blaming Christianity (the concepts of Christ) for all the ills in the world. Eugenics is a direct response to Darwinistic concepts "pseudo" science or not.
You've got a point but I think the main point people like Dawkins try to make is that religions, with all the ills it brings, doesn't have, in their minds, a justified purpose. Whereas the theory of Evolution does because it broadens our understanding about everything around us enormously.
@manutd94fanman That may be Dawkins view, but it's a distorted one. The Bible is the source of our law. In it is found defining arguments that helped end slavery. The first book of Timothy addresses the sinful nature of the slave trade.
By the way, the old, and the new, testament both condone and accept slavery. Both sides, regarding the question of abolishment, used the bible as a way to justify their standpoint.
@manutd94fanman The Bible never condoned an outright Slave Trade. The first book of Timothy declared slavery sinful. The only time slavery was countenanced in the Bible was when a person fell into debt, stole and could not repay, or had no means to feed themselves or their children and people sold themselves into slavery for the security of a secure life with enough to eat. Sort of like full job security.
@manutd94fanman Christianity as a whole HAS been a force for good in this world. But Atheists only point to the darkest recesses and blame Christianity. Now Dawkins must know that there are those zealots who would like to breed a super race, and have tried to rid humanity of its lesser beings, but he categorically denies responsibility. Suggesting that no one like him, or who holds his beliefs have ever caused events of inhumanity. He should be smart enought to know that he is fooling himself.
@manutd94fanman You can't have it both ways. You can't convict one ideology on the weight of ill advised unwarrented behavior on the part of SOME of its devotees. Unless you can accept condemnation of YOUR OWN Belief system should some misguided sects thereof cast the entire enterprise in a bad light for their implementation and interpretation of your creed.
The theory of evolution isn't a religious text that can be interpreted in any way possible. Hitler and Holmes were both wrong, especially morally and the churches long monopoly on morals is the main reason they were so succesful.
@manutd94fanman Hitler didn't base attitude on Jews on any feeling the Cathoics engendered in him. Rather he found himself looking upon these people as non-Germanic, he didn't like their LOOKS, he felt they were an inferior racial type. Ergo he sought to eliminate their genetic influence from the gene pool. And he felt he had the full weight of evolutionary eugenical doctrine behind him.
@manutd94fanman No, if you read what Hitler had said about the Jews, it's clear that he didn't like their looks, their alien manner of dress and speach and face it, he resented their success. Actually Germany wasn't that anti-Semetic when Hitler came around. BTW Hitler was Austrian, not German. Jews flourished in Germany, many had been elected to high office and held considerable prestige and rank throughout German society. Poland was actually much more anti-Semetic than Germany BEFORE Hitler.
He is playing devils advocate like all good interviewers should. I worked with George for a short while and I can tell you first hand, hes not being genuine when he asks that question, he just asking it for the viewers who may want to ask it.
@moroney1 I don't think that's what George Negus meant sir, to be honest he's very good and mostly fair journalist - for a start, he genuinely seeks opinion and lets you speak. Secondly, he's merely reciting the prevalent religious (nut job) beliefs of only the 'faithful' can be good - it didn't mean to be an insult.
i) Ugh, the opinion expressed at 8:34 makes me cringe everytime I hear it; yes you should you fool, in order to carry out an analysis of A, you first need to know what A is! If you admit that theology is a necessary part of religious teachings (afterall what are the different strands of christianity other than theological interpretations of the same text), then you absolutely should spend time learning of theology.
what a ridiculous comment: Mossad secretly killing people in the name of religion.... Mossad is secretly killing people because they are making bombs and carrying out terror attacks. Nothing to do with their religion!
@megaforegone - I can assure if there is a God. He's not in the image we are accustom too. He's not the Christian contridicory douchebag riddle god, the Islamic militant god or any other goofy god. He's just a beyond knowledge kinda guy who gets a misguided made up delusional title. He gets labelled the title of one of the religions and has to carry that burden of what they have done to THEMSELVES. All religions are wrong. We can not know..your turn science!
What's funny to me about this debate, in this instance on the side of the atheists (because there's no shortage of examples on the part of the "believers"), to an alarmingly prominent degree, they seem to have no idea that their fanaticism and devotion to their respective viewpoint either parallels - and in many cases supercedes - the insular, xenophobic outlook they attribute to fundamentalist ignoramuses.
We all would do well to say, "Ya know...we don't know." and call it a day.
Have a sense of historical perspective. It was the sublime mystery of religion that impelled mankind to pursue knowledge in the first place. It taught him to read. It taught him to write. It taught him to study the earth and the heavens. It gave birth to science. It may not be your bag, but give credit where credit is due.
Sure, it's been hijacked by sociopathic power mongrels. So has every other avenue of power in society.
@TheDreamMechanic it was not the "mystery of religion" that caused man to pursue knowledge. If anything it was the other way around. Man sought knowlege to help him survive in his enviornment. The "medicine men" and "shamans" were people who found an alternate way to power among their social groups via the accumulation of knowledge of plants, animals, the seasons (ie.moon & stars marking seasonal changes) and this became entertwined with their respective myths and creation stories.
Actually it was. Islam is the birthplace of science as we know it; and was pursued in a very "getting-to-know-God" kind of way. Medieval Baghdad housed one of (if not THE) largest library in the world, and with all the church's intellectual repression in Europe, European scholars flocked there to study, and in turn laid the foundations of European society, academia, and science.
For the record, I'm not a Muslim. Just stating a fact. BTW: Shamans are the good guys.
@TheDreamMechanic I was responding to your statement about religion & pursuit of knowlege not modern science. And BTW, Islam is a religion of relatively recent origin. The Golden Age of Islam, with its contributions to math, science and general preservation of knowledge, was between the 8th and 13th century. The roots of religion go MUCH further back, The "Goddess of Willendorf" statue being, I think, the oldest religious artifact ever found, estimated at more than 20,000 years old.
@TheDreamMechanic groups of early humans had leaders (eg chiefs) who were often the strongest, but not always the smartest. There was another path to power in these ancient groups through accumulation of knowledge, which inevitably got mixed up with mystical thinking. Thus the Shamans/medicine men, who certainly helped their groups survive, but also enjoyed the power they held over others. Eventually, they split and became science and religion.
@TheDreamMechanic .......although certainly there were men of faith in more recent times who preserved knowledge, particularly Christian clergy during the dark ages and also people of Islamic faith during the Golden Age of Islam (as mentioned in my earlier reply) So I don't think I am disagreeing with you on your second post, just the first one about religion being the cause of man's search for knowledge.......we, like most apes, tend to be a curious species (and I mean that in a GOOD way :-).
I agree. =) Any and all paths to power among humans can and will be explored; and with religion being the arcane fabric that has literally held societies together for millennia, it too will most certainly be exploited. On the whole though, with shamans, their spiritual experiences are authentic; and their function vital to their respective communities. It's a much different relationship than with a clergyman...who is an obstacle, contrasted with the shaman, who is a vehicle.
@ Kingtiger213 2nd of there is more than just what we see. Ever hear of the MIND? Faith is not just a religious word. I do believe in God, but I still believe in other ways to make life better. For example, positive thinking, confidence/believing in one self & the placebo effect; all based on FAITH. We are only beginning to uncover what the human mind has to offer. God and science are two different topics. Science is the study of how the universe or nature works, while God in the Creator.
@Psych7Weapon - Positive thinking!? IS that evidence of a creator? Nope.
You, and all creationists, have presented NO evidence whatsoever for the existence of a god. None.
So, is Kingtiger supposed to find god through self impose meditation? How does that work exactly? Does god just show up in his head? Wacky sir. VERY wacky.
What is happening is Neuroscience. Nothing more. The Placebo effect in full force.
@TalladegaTom Where in my reply did I once try to proove the Existance of God? NOT ONCE. I could careless if people have evidence or not. Your belief in God or His sopposite none-Existance is your own matter, as faith in HIM is mine. I will not cast the first stone. I just simply stated the power of the human mind and how faith, positive thinking and the likes are very powerful. Also my argument was that Dawkins should study theology in great detail (PhD level) before bashing it like he does.
@TalladegaTom , Read the whole thing not just one sentance and assume things; that makes ppl look as you say "wacky." Summary; God, along with my psychology knowldge make my life better, as they do many other lives. Where do u see an argument for His Existance? Evidence in MY OPINION is not nessary, though I have my own. I see the whole athiest vs. thiest argument as pointless, and a waste of everyone's time. We see u as a test of our faith as, u see science as ultimate disproof of God.
@TalladegaTom If you care to carry out this debate about your claims that it is the Bible it self that is responsible for deadly consequences than point these consequences to me? As you say, I require evidence for your claims. Second, since when has science actually been used to disproof God? Science is how the natural world or universe works and all the laws that govern it, while TO ME AS A CATHOLIC God is the begin responsible for the existence of the universe. I agree with Science too.
@Psych7Weapon - Here is CLEAR evidence that the bible causes deadly consequences. The bible indicates that witches and demons exist WITHOUT giving ANY method to determine who is and who is not a witch yet Exodus 22:17 states that "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live".
Folk who get dubbed a "witch" are condemned to cruelty, torture and death with no justification.
So, do they exist or not?
If they do, how do you tell?
If they do not, WHY CONTINUE that false meme? watch?v=SbGzFN_NalI
@TalladegaTom I feel just as bad for these children as u do. But I don't think it's the Bible that's making the sickos do that stuff. They hide behind it, but come on. Anyone who believes in God and Jesus knows about the love that Christ was trying to teach mankind; "1) Love the Lord u'r God 2) Love u'r neighbor as you do urself... Whatever you do to another person, it's as if you have done it to me" Y don't u atheists ever notice those massages? It's just these Old testament arguments w/ u ppl.
@Psych7Weapon - I am claiming (using this particular argument) that the bible is false and causes deadly consequences which I have already given sufficient evidence to support.
You apparently support the idea of supernatural beings, including but not limited to, god, witches, demons and maybe a "holy" ghost or two.
You said that "I do not know how to id anything close to a witch, or am I too sure what a witch may be."
@TalladegaTom Okay? Since when was I giving u any support/evidence for God's existence? I told u I do not require scientific evidence or a experimental research paper for my belief. Nor do I need to justify my belief to u. I have my own evidence & whether or not it makes it to a university or scientific journal I could careless. U have proven nothing to me. U also avoid a lot of the stuff I talk about and ask (Dawkins & USSR), I wounder y? U, my friends need to read more carefully =)
@TalladegaTom So y is Dawkins selling books & making arguments to harmless ppl? If u & he feel strongly about this issue & the suffering of others, y don't u preach/stop the monsters? What would making believers into atheists accomplish? Will that stop these violent ppl or will it just sell "god delusion"? What has Dawkins done other than BITCH about religion? The USSR was Atheist at core & have committed countless crimes; against humanity (many reasons) & religious ppl (for believing in GOD).
@TalladegaTom U still have not answered any of my questions about u'r leaders Dawkins or the ATHEIST USSR, and if u feel uncomfortable answering them that is okay. However, don't be surprised about our assumptions an atheist-ism. We finally agree on something "Agreed. U have not given us ANY evidence for you God whatsoever" I've been trying to tell u that for a while, I was beginning to worry about u. Yes, I am happy with my own evidence, another thing I wondering when u were gonna get =)
@TalladegaTom I don't think u ppl realize what u'r trying to achieve. I read Jean-Paul Sartre, and I still remember the depressive feelings and thoughts... I also remember the first time I questioned the existence of God, when I was six years old, after seeing the Ape to man picture and cave men, it almost had me convinced. I never told anyone about that experience, and wonder what it was that brought me back. Talking to atheists has this negative aspect to it, & I really don't like it.
@TalladegaTom I say He exists & u will hopelessly attempt to beat into my head that he does not. Though, this conversation was never about His existence, U just try to make it one. What's it like not believing in GOD? R u happy or sad in u'r life? What made u atheist? Tell me about u'r self, u can answer those in my personal You Tube mail box, where u'r friends can't see it. THIS OFFER IS TO ANY ATHEIST WHO WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THEMSELVES, I"M INTERESTED. I PROMISE NOT TO TELL U"R FRIENDS
@Psych7Weapon I can offer some insight to you. We are happy not believing in your god, we lead wonderful lives. We save many hours a year by not going to your sunday morning cult rituals. We (I) raise my children the best I can, with what little I have. I can tell you that the one reason that I am an atheist is because my parents JAMMED it down my throat when I was a kid. Every sunday, week after week, year after year, for what? To see who the best dresser was?
@Psych7Weapon I was an altar boy, I helped dish out "jesus' blood". What a load of sh*t. It was ernest and julio gallo!!! Some devine grape juice, let me tell you.....
We base our lives on common sense, not superstitious voodoo written in a book, porly translated over 2000 years. Maybe you should read "Mein Kampf". It resembles the bible in many ways.
I think the ownus is on YOU to prove that god exists, not just in your head, for REAL this time.
@Kingtiger213 God bless u and I hope that u'r children have a happy life. I hope that u will gain more and be able to live a better life. I'm sorry that ppl JAMMED God down u'r throat. It saddens me that many religious ppl don't get what FREE WILL is, & they resort to weird methods to argue God in ppls lives (intelligent design, threats of hell, social stigma & church fashion show). In the end they push many ppl away, I like to think my faith & love r strong. I am sorry b/c of their actions
@Psych7Weapon My rebellious nature is strong, so Ps can't force me to believe in God or go to school. I strengthened my own faith w/ open minded ppl's words, my own thoughts, stuff I read 7 God helped. I also thank atheists for my stronger faith. What will u do if u'r children choose to believe in God ? What was u'r relationship with u'r Ps like? What are they like? Mein Kampf, I am Polish/Slavic; that Anti-Christ like figure hated my ppl & used the Lord's name 4 ethnic cleansing of my ppl.
@Psych7Weapon - I assume you have not read any of Dawkins books nor have you studied Evolution by Natural Selection, for if you had, you would understand what Dawkins says.
Dawkins books are about Evolution and the overwhelming amount of Scientific evidence that support it.
He makes these books to counter the FALSE claims made by creationists.
Making believers into Atheists would feee people from the false dogma that has handicapped mankind kind for thousands of years.
@Psych7Weapon - "What has Dawkins done other than BITCH about religion?" WTF sir. He is a world renowned Evolutionary Biologist. He is a retired Oxford Professor that taught for MANY years....besides just "bitching" about religion.
I can tell from our discussion that you are still a young person trying to figure things out.
Maybe a little Sam Harris might help you in your understanding of what reason is.
@TalladegaTom 1 thing that atheists always seem to forget when arguing is that the Scientific Method can't proof a theory, it can only falsify it. A point made VERY CLEARLY by my professors in classes w/ the Sci. Method. God. I, GUESS exists outside the reach of sci, maybe in a alternate spiritual realm/universe so to speak. Einstein was the 1 who said that there may exist parallel dimensions. My experience is not good enough for "u'r evidence" and but I'm completely ok w/ that.
@TalladegaTom That faith, positive psychology & placebo effect talk is not what I meant by my experience. I'm talking about other things that I have seen/heard about from ppl, and stuff I read. Which I care not to debate as I know exactly where u atheist will take it, & neither side will convince the other of anything. Cuz I have no real explanation for what happened to me or these ppl just that it did. I've talked about it already w/ another atheist & his explanation didn't fit what I said.
@TalladegaTom Atheists really make me think, & I like were these discussions lead. It also SEEMS to me that DAWKINS is trying to convert as many ppl as he can to atheism. But we all know that the fundies he is suppository "after" will not convert; he just gets ppl that were weak in faith to begin w/ or normal ppl. other posibility is that he is trying to create and fuel a hatred of religion. He is also trying to milk the POPULARITY CASH COW he is riding. As r many famous militant atheists:)
@TalladegaTom I agree with u people on 1 thing. The fundies destroy science, and it is annoying how they always need to add God to science teachings. To me as a believer it is obvious that it's God's work, and I feel not need to add Him into the lectures/disscution/books when studying science. My believe in God is very secure; I feel no need to debate His existance. I think He is real, and my belief in Him makes me a better person. You need proof, and there is not much I do about that.
julia gillard, the prime minister of australia right now, is an atheist. why does this geezer try to make australia seem like some super religious country? it isn't.
@ Kingtiger213 I never said that I know more about the Bible than Dawkins. Most likely NO since he in so obsessed with It; more than people who believe in God. But since his life focuses around the Book so much he should study It more, in order to have a REAL DEBATE and a BETTER UNDERSTANDING of the opposite side. Also I never said I am a better person than anyone, I said my faith makes ME MYSELF A better person. I love science, MAYBE more than you. We don't know each other so we'll never know.
I agree Dawkins should learn/study theology in great detail before he bashes us! In my opinion faith is the single most import aspect of life. It's what gives people the ability to preform better, we feel better, we are happier, it gives us hope, and if used the correct way it gives us a better life. My faith (in God and in myself) has done a lot for me, and it makes me a better and happier person. If people really understood the meaning of the Bible (for example) a lot of problems would vanish.
@Psych7Weapon I think that he knows more about your bible than you do. Does your faith cure your common cold? NO. Chicken soup and rest cure your cold. If your god exists, then noone of faith would get cancer, killed in war, etc. Superstitions do not make you a better person. Are you better than me? You don't know me. I prefer science.
Richard Dawkins is a kindly, Oxford intellectual Gentleman. If this is the highest calibre of militancy that atheism has to offer then that speaks volumes for our gentleness.
Meanwhile, take a minute to try and think of the world's most militant theist...chances are you'll keep thinking you have it before an even more belligerant nutter comes to mind and so on
@ProcInc yes, Hitchens & Harris can be quite intolerant but Grayling, Dennett & Dawkins are not anywhere near as militant as their critics make out. Sometimes Dawkins makes the odd statement which can be a little offensive but sometimes people need to be staunch & robust in order to make progress. James Watson has a reputation for offending people but he is still a brilliant man. Of course Dawkins is a very harsh critic of young earth creationism but I have 100% sympathy with him there.
Speak for yourself and I'll speak for myself. Atheists are individuals who don't believe in god. Nothing more and nothing less. Homosexuality has nothing to do with it.
@hypoguess But there is no rational reason to be homophobic. The vast majority of scientists accept that it is impossible to change ones sexuality, and causes much trauma and abuse to the homosexual if it is attempted. Do you really think that every human has the same innate sexuality, and that it is impossible for there to be some diversity? As it is recognized that homosexuality is neither a choice but a variation of human sexuality, homophobia is akin to racism and common bigotry.
As much as I respect Richard Dawkins, I must say, "learn your adversary." I think he should at least take a class on theology, it sounds ignorant to say you don't need to. As for studying leprechauns... you gotta know something about them before you can determine anything about them right? I'm not saying take a class, but if you didn't know what a leprechaun was, then who are you to say it isn't real? But we do learn religion growing up so...
@Youngminded4eva What an arrogant deluded fuck you are. How is he on your toes? You came to watch this video no one forced you. Everything is not about you. I am so fucking sick of you religious extremists threatening people. If you don't want to listen don't but don't fucking threaten people and try to justify it by pretending he is one your toes.
@PottersBass Love your enemy... Atheists are the enemies of God.... Atheists are sent to hell by God.... You don't send people you love to hell.... God doesn't love his enemies....Oops, God doesn't follow his own rules
@1234funsies oops Jesus said love your enemy what do you prophet from other.............. (sent to hell) why are you so concern about hell.................oops the truth of the matter is only one can make a statement and still have control of the other and bring us to this knowledge, my friend as to your reply it only shows your ignorance to the true meaning of tribulation and direction of love. Your LOGIC is only a empty claim.
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brilliant video some very interesting points
staranjela 3 weeks ago
some really good stuff here
thegeffc 1 month ago
Dawkins states:"I am not interesting to learn theology"."I put evidence before people" how this poor man acquired knowledge to badly criticize religion? as matter of fact this foolish biologist scoff at Muslim and Christian people as result. although Dawkins it is not convict criminal, this wicked person bears an evil heart, such unpleasant mouth spits lies, resentment & bitterness to take verbal extreme hostility against faith and religious belief. British should be shamed about Dawkins ...
Gust46 1 month ago
Wisdom in this world is foolishness in the LORD
Men are so puffed up with so called intelligence but the reality is that they Live in IGNORANCE
I pray that one day Before your Life will end that god will Reveal himself to you Mr. Richard Dawkins, Believe it or not God still Loves you.
MrDadastef 1 month ago
@MrDadastef you seem so sure!
sinachiniforoosh 1 month ago
how could god be gay or straight if he don't exist?
rdickinsondickinson 2 months ago
He sure was blinking a lot more than usual in this video.
scionicspectre 2 months ago
Life is god[s] and god[s] is imagnation.
If there were no people than there would be nø god[s].
I actually like people, I just don't believe their god[s].
ArcadePerfect 3 months ago
@ArcadePerfect If you look hard enough you will probably find that people are not worth liking.
Jeffersonwazright 3 months ago
What a great interview and great interviewer!
Bill O'Reilly ought to to take note
IsleFreeThinker1 4 months ago 9
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"Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given to the profane masses is another useful idiot for Jesuit machinations"-C.O.
Jesuitical: pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuits completely altered the education system to suit their evolution agenda to discredit the Bible. They cant have a Satanic society of 'Do as Thou Wilt' if people still follow the Bible.
SpencerBenedict2nd 4 months ago
But I agree that Pat Robertson said a stupid, ignorant thing about Haiti.
GoCo77 5 months ago
Lie number one: He blames 911 on religious fanatics. That shows you something about his establishment pedigree and his political agenda.
GoCo77 5 months ago
@GoCo77 so you're a truther eh
CookieWalka 3 months ago
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@GoCo77 ??? who's to blame then? your comments are as empty as your head
Blehstor 3 months ago
@GoCo77
It does, it shows you that he is not a complete moron.
TheCelticChimp 2 months ago
@GoCo77 No they were nice people who love alll no matter what their belief or lack off one. The pilots lost orientation, and thought those long tall structures were landing strips. Oops sorry!
ludvan67 2 months ago
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Marcuys 6 months ago
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@manutd94fanman Had it not been for the incredible mishandling of War debt placed upon the German People after WWI it is unlikely that a demagogue like Hitler could have taken hold on the German Psyche and society
tinyflyonthewall 7 months ago
@manutd94fnman It has been said that America has never been a Christian nation, or that our founders were a bunch of atheists, agnostics, and deists. But consider the facts. At least 50 of the 55 framers of the U. S. Constitution were Christians Every single American president has taken his oath on the Bible and has referenced God in his inaugural address.
youngoldbones 7 months ago
@youngoldbones
How does that make it a christion nation? America is home to every religion in the world and a constitution that divides state and church. The non-existing bond between the state and the church is what made religion flourish in America. How is that so hard to understand?
manutd94fanman 7 months ago
@manutd94fanman Because it was created by Christians. Whats not to understand. Thomas Jefferson too, was Christian and not the deist you people claim him to be.
youngoldbones 7 months ago
@youngoldbones
Thomas Jefferson was not a Christian but that's beside the point. Most of the founding fathers probably had slaves. Does that make America a slave-owning nation? The fact that America is a secular nation is something every american should be proud of. My country was a "Christian nation" for roughly 1000 years and it brought nothing but opression.
manutd94fanman 7 months ago
@manutd94fanman Sez you! Thomas Jefferson had betrayed, throughout his life, a belief in Christ while showing tolerance for all faiths nonetheless. Your babbling is scarcely worth addressing here. America wasn't FOUNDED on principals of slave owning you insufferable bore.
And you have NO idea all that you have to thank Christianity for.
youngoldbones 7 months ago
@youngoldbones
By god you're condescending.
But I DO know what I have to thank secularity for: living in a modern nation.
manutd94fanman 7 months ago
@youngoldbones [cont] "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions,[cont]
Nai61a 7 months ago
@youngoldbones [cont: quote continued] I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
Nai61a 7 months ago
@youngoldbones He was only a Xtian in a very narrow sense: he thought that Christ, if he had existed, had some interesting things to teach us, but he seems not to have been making claims for him beyond any other philosopher or political leader. He wrote the Jefferson Bible, explicitly getting rid of the bits that did not relate to Christ and on which the whole of modern Judeo-Xtianity is built. Here's a quote: [cont]
Nai61a 7 months ago
@youngoldbones Forget that your presidents have taken their oath on the Bible. This is meaningless. One recent one went on to lie and this led to Watergate. Another took the US into wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and one spent a not inconsiderable time having his dick sucked in the Whitehouse. The Bible is utterly irrelevant. The founding fathers of your country separated state and religion and were admirable in doing so. Watch Christopher Hitchens on the subject.
Nai61a 7 months ago
eevil123 Awwww "evil123" what's the matter was "evil" already taken? LOL! Hypocritical argument you pose here, you blame Christianity when Christians promulgated battles and caused death and destruction over their belief systems. Now it's your turn to stand like a man and take your lumps. Evolutionary creed has inspired more destruction than the church ever has, and in a much shorter time Span. Nice chatting with you "evil".
tinyflyonthewall 7 months ago
Haha nobody like him goes about harming people. Who's he kidding? Evolutionists opened the door for Hitler's Eugenics inspired belief in a master race. Oliver Wendell Holmes wanted to have people sterilized based on their unfitness to procreate. It's a sordid little episode in the U.S. That gets little press, but came about due to adherence to and a desire to control the destiny of the species based on evolutionary theory. Dawkins you Ignorant, disingenuous bastard.
tinyflyonthewall 7 months ago
@tinyflyonthewall
Hitler based his belief on a misinterpretation of the evolutionary theory, when seen through the human perspective. They thought they were doing the job that sould be done by "evolution" when, in practice, the standard " Survival of the fittest" doesn't really apply to humans. We will only gain from everyone surviving, thus killing "weak" people is counter productive.
And you say evolution opened the door for Hitler? What about 2000 years of persucution from the catholics?
manutd94fanman 7 months ago
@manutd94fanman We could also make the argument that the "faithful" have grossly misinterpreted Jesus teachings in their persecution of other faiths. No, it cannot be avoided here. Evolutionary doctrine was embraced wholeheartedly by Hitler, not to mention Oliver Wendal Holmes with our own attempts here in this country in purging unworthy genetic specimens. Do your homework. You will see the connections.
rapidsrabbit 7 months ago
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manutd94fanman 7 months ago
@rapidsrabbit
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Of course I see the connection. What I mean is that even before Darwin presented his theory jews were considered lesser beings (and I doubt parapelegics wasn't looked down upon). 2000 years of ruthless persecution of jews made damn sure that it would be easy to see them as vermin, the bible justifying slavery didn't make it any easier for black people and religions generally regarding homosexuality as a sin made sure that it was classified as a diasease up untill the 70's.
manutd94fanman 7 months ago
@manutd94fanman what people overlook is what happened to those in Germany who were retarded, mentally ill, and in any other way deficient as human beings, what Hitler did to those people was without question, a result of Hitlers perceptions of Darwinism, he took the ideas and theory of evolution to its logical conclusion. Eliminate those people whose existence does not serve the state. Hitler included Jews in this equation cause he conferred those traits of disservice to the state upon them.
rapidsrabbit 7 months ago
@rapidsrabbit
I guess in that sense you're kind of right but I still doubt they were treated much better before Darwin's theory. It's not like the contempt for these types of people arose solely out of Darwinism. And it was Hitlers own perception of the theory , a perception today regarded as pseudo scientific and absolutely immoral. So yes, this misguided view of social Darwinism played a roll and so did religion and I think we can both agree that the wave of Nationalism didn't help either.
manutd94fanman 7 months ago
@manutd94fanman Aahhh! But don't you see, it was religious morality that held this contempt in check. After all, if we are all just products of natural selection, with no supreme arbiter of right and wrong, and if these people hold NO VALUE to society and are indeed a hindrence and a drag on that society. It only stands to reason for people who truly see themselves as working for the overall good of their society, that it there should be no reason NOT to put these useless people to death.
rapidsrabbit 7 months ago
@manutd94fanman Heres the main point where people who impugn religiosity fail in their efforts to deny culpibility for similar atrocities. Christians, or rather people using religion as a smokescreen for darker intentions by way of battling factions of belief, have caused some 5 or 6 million deaths throughout history. The TEACHINGS OF CHRIST if held to would bring UTOPIA. However imperfect followers have distorted and convoluted the message and have sometimes caused pain.
rapidsrabbit 7 months ago
@rapidsrabbit
Don't know where you've gotten those figures from, I would say they're far bigger, but whatever. In my book, having a world full of people who are skeptics would bring a much better world. Unfortunately
manutd94fanman 7 months ago
@manutd94fanman Dr Walter Martin puts the number of Christian inspired deaths at 5 or 6 million. Those governments inspired by Darwins theory of evolution have cause over ten times that number and in less than one century.
rapidsrabbit 7 months ago
@manutd94fanman I disagree, sketpics are those who like to stand on the sidelines and rail, only rarely do they get off their asses and do the legwork necessary to support their arguments.
rapidsrabbit 7 months ago
@rapidsrabbit
What do you base that opinion on? Nothing, I would assume, seeing as I have never heard anything like that before.
Anyway, we do know religious people like to "do the legwork" considering all the praying they do.
manutd94fanman 7 months ago
@manutd94fanman Skeptic : One who instinctively or habitually doubts, questions, or disagrees with assertions or generally accepted conclusions. Yeah I don't see any "accomplishments" in that description.
rapidsrabbit 7 months ago
@rapidsrabbit
Skepticism is how you obtain knowledge by questioning and doubting "truths" without sufficient evidence. What it accomplishes, my dear friend, is a mind free of such pollutions as irrational beliefs, whether in deitys, homeopathy or holocaust denialism.
If you don't see the benefit of thinking critically, well, then you're probably not worth discussing with, seeing as it is a fundamental part of having an open mind.
manutd94fanman 7 months ago
@manutd94fanman by exercising critical thinking I can recognize a hypocrite when I see one. i.e. Richard Dawkins and the rest of his allies who go about criticizing Christianity. If not for people who had Deity inspired morals and respect for life, we might all be living in one of those Sci-Fi dystopian futures where people step into booths for annihilation because the state feels that their lives serve no purpose. Dawkins belief in Moral relativism leads into the morass of Nazism & Communism.
rapidsrabbit 7 months ago
@rapidsrabbit
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There's a huge difference between what Dakwkins is doing now and the eugenics that flourished in the early 20th century.
Again, eugenics is a pseudo science. Its only purpose was to confirm those prejudices already in existence, partly thanks to religion, and partly thanks to the nationalism and the tensions and myths it created.
Our moral is secular, what you choose to consider literal in the bible is based of secular morality
manutd94fanman 7 months ago
@manutd94fanman "Our moral is secular, what you choose to consider literal in the bible is based of secular morality".
Hah? What meaning does this last fumbling statement hope to convey?
Once again, there is a huge difference between the teachings of Christ and the behavior of some of his "followers" but your people have no problem blaming Christianity (the concepts of Christ) for all the ills in the world. Eugenics is a direct response to Darwinistic concepts "pseudo" science or not.
rapidsrabbit 7 months ago
@rapidsrabbit
You've got a point but I think the main point people like Dawkins try to make is that religions, with all the ills it brings, doesn't have, in their minds, a justified purpose. Whereas the theory of Evolution does because it broadens our understanding about everything around us enormously.
Again, you've got a point.
manutd94fanman 7 months ago
@manutd94fanman That may be Dawkins view, but it's a distorted one. The Bible is the source of our law. In it is found defining arguments that helped end slavery. The first book of Timothy addresses the sinful nature of the slave trade.
rapidsrabbit 7 months ago
@rapidsrabbit
In what way is the bible the source of our law?
By the way, the old, and the new, testament both condone and accept slavery. Both sides, regarding the question of abolishment, used the bible as a way to justify their standpoint.
manutd94fanman 7 months ago
@manutd94fanman The Bible never condoned an outright Slave Trade. The first book of Timothy declared slavery sinful. The only time slavery was countenanced in the Bible was when a person fell into debt, stole and could not repay, or had no means to feed themselves or their children and people sold themselves into slavery for the security of a secure life with enough to eat. Sort of like full job security.
rapidsrabbit 7 months ago
...The world's full of religion.
manutd94fanman 7 months ago
@manutd94fanman Christianity as a whole HAS been a force for good in this world. But Atheists only point to the darkest recesses and blame Christianity. Now Dawkins must know that there are those zealots who would like to breed a super race, and have tried to rid humanity of its lesser beings, but he categorically denies responsibility. Suggesting that no one like him, or who holds his beliefs have ever caused events of inhumanity. He should be smart enought to know that he is fooling himself.
rapidsrabbit 7 months ago
@manutd94fanman You can't have it both ways. You can't convict one ideology on the weight of ill advised unwarrented behavior on the part of SOME of its devotees. Unless you can accept condemnation of YOUR OWN Belief system should some misguided sects thereof cast the entire enterprise in a bad light for their implementation and interpretation of your creed.
rapidsrabbit 7 months ago
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The theory of evolution isn't a religious text that can be interpreted in any way possible. Hitler and Holmes were both wrong, especially morally and the churches long monopoly on morals is the main reason they were so succesful.
manutd94fanman 7 months ago
@manutd94fanman Hitler didn't base attitude on Jews on any feeling the Cathoics engendered in him. Rather he found himself looking upon these people as non-Germanic, he didn't like their LOOKS, he felt they were an inferior racial type. Ergo he sought to eliminate their genetic influence from the gene pool. And he felt he had the full weight of evolutionary eugenical doctrine behind him.
tinyflyonthewall 7 months ago
@tinyflyonthewall
You mean them historically being seen as inferior, largely due to the catholic church, didn't play a role in his and his fellow germans views?
manutd94fanman 7 months ago
@manutd94fanman No, if you read what Hitler had said about the Jews, it's clear that he didn't like their looks, their alien manner of dress and speach and face it, he resented their success. Actually Germany wasn't that anti-Semetic when Hitler came around. BTW Hitler was Austrian, not German. Jews flourished in Germany, many had been elected to high office and held considerable prestige and rank throughout German society. Poland was actually much more anti-Semetic than Germany BEFORE Hitler.
tinyflyonthewall 7 months ago
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tinyflyonthewall 7 months ago
Just want to point out the massive hidden sarcasm in George Negus' interviewing rhetoric, I can safely assume he is very much on Dawkins' page.
iamborat100 8 months ago
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patricktuorto 9 months ago
omg at 5:02 the presenter is shocked that atheists can do good things, how insulting
moroney1 10 months ago 5
@moroney1 Nah George Negus is being sarcastic, a lot of his 'speaking' is sarcastic. At least I hope that was sarcasm.
iamborat100 8 months ago
@moroney1 Yea, although I don't think he personally was surprised, just pointing out the fact to religion viewers
S24995 8 months ago
@moroney1
He is playing devils advocate like all good interviewers should. I worked with George for a short while and I can tell you first hand, hes not being genuine when he asks that question, he just asking it for the viewers who may want to ask it.
133maxiboy 1 month ago
@moroney1 I don't think that's what George Negus meant sir, to be honest he's very good and mostly fair journalist - for a start, he genuinely seeks opinion and lets you speak. Secondly, he's merely reciting the prevalent religious (nut job) beliefs of only the 'faithful' can be good - it didn't mean to be an insult.
zikaihe 1 month ago
i) Ugh, the opinion expressed at 8:34 makes me cringe everytime I hear it; yes you should you fool, in order to carry out an analysis of A, you first need to know what A is! If you admit that theology is a necessary part of religious teachings (afterall what are the different strands of christianity other than theological interpretations of the same text), then you absolutely should spend time learning of theology.
ExEverest10 10 months ago
ii) This is why some say you're annoying: not because you're skeptical, but because you're cynical.
ExEverest10 10 months ago
what a ridiculous comment: Mossad secretly killing people in the name of religion.... Mossad is secretly killing people because they are making bombs and carrying out terror attacks. Nothing to do with their religion!
wackyweezel 10 months ago
@megaforegone - I can assure if there is a God. He's not in the image we are accustom too. He's not the Christian contridicory douchebag riddle god, the Islamic militant god or any other goofy god. He's just a beyond knowledge kinda guy who gets a misguided made up delusional title. He gets labelled the title of one of the religions and has to carry that burden of what they have done to THEMSELVES. All religions are wrong. We can not know..your turn science!
ThePublicIsInsane 11 months ago
@PseudoPoiesis lol some of them never even read more than a fifth of their holy books...
silverhawkroman 1 year ago
RICHARD DAWKINS FIGHTIN" FOR REASON!!!!!!!!! Great man, great writer.
xtremelygoodlookin 1 year ago 42
lol militant atheist is so overblown.
BLUEC0RE 1 year ago
Well, I never remember the One saying "...and non-believers", so that was actually something good.
PlatypuSPawn 1 year ago
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Psych7Weapon 1 year ago
What's funny to me about this debate, in this instance on the side of the atheists (because there's no shortage of examples on the part of the "believers"), to an alarmingly prominent degree, they seem to have no idea that their fanaticism and devotion to their respective viewpoint either parallels - and in many cases supercedes - the insular, xenophobic outlook they attribute to fundamentalist ignoramuses.
We all would do well to say, "Ya know...we don't know." and call it a day.
TheDreamMechanic 1 year ago
@TheDreamMechanic We don't know about the exact origins of the universe but we do know that religion is man-made bogus.
kingvitamin88 1 year ago
@kingvitamin88
Have a sense of historical perspective. It was the sublime mystery of religion that impelled mankind to pursue knowledge in the first place. It taught him to read. It taught him to write. It taught him to study the earth and the heavens. It gave birth to science. It may not be your bag, but give credit where credit is due.
Sure, it's been hijacked by sociopathic power mongrels. So has every other avenue of power in society.
TheDreamMechanic 1 year ago
@TheDreamMechanic it was not the "mystery of religion" that caused man to pursue knowledge. If anything it was the other way around. Man sought knowlege to help him survive in his enviornment. The "medicine men" and "shamans" were people who found an alternate way to power among their social groups via the accumulation of knowledge of plants, animals, the seasons (ie.moon & stars marking seasonal changes) and this became entertwined with their respective myths and creation stories.
kheim1954 1 year ago
@kheim1954
Actually it was. Islam is the birthplace of science as we know it; and was pursued in a very "getting-to-know-God" kind of way. Medieval Baghdad housed one of (if not THE) largest library in the world, and with all the church's intellectual repression in Europe, European scholars flocked there to study, and in turn laid the foundations of European society, academia, and science.
For the record, I'm not a Muslim. Just stating a fact. BTW: Shamans are the good guys.
TheDreamMechanic 1 year ago
@TheDreamMechanic I was responding to your statement about religion & pursuit of knowlege not modern science. And BTW, Islam is a religion of relatively recent origin. The Golden Age of Islam, with its contributions to math, science and general preservation of knowledge, was between the 8th and 13th century. The roots of religion go MUCH further back, The "Goddess of Willendorf" statue being, I think, the oldest religious artifact ever found, estimated at more than 20,000 years old.
kheim1954 1 year ago
@TheDreamMechanic groups of early humans had leaders (eg chiefs) who were often the strongest, but not always the smartest. There was another path to power in these ancient groups through accumulation of knowledge, which inevitably got mixed up with mystical thinking. Thus the Shamans/medicine men, who certainly helped their groups survive, but also enjoyed the power they held over others. Eventually, they split and became science and religion.
kheim1954 1 year ago
@TheDreamMechanic .......although certainly there were men of faith in more recent times who preserved knowledge, particularly Christian clergy during the dark ages and also people of Islamic faith during the Golden Age of Islam (as mentioned in my earlier reply) So I don't think I am disagreeing with you on your second post, just the first one about religion being the cause of man's search for knowledge.......we, like most apes, tend to be a curious species (and I mean that in a GOOD way :-).
kheim1954 1 year ago
@kheim1954
I agree. =) Any and all paths to power among humans can and will be explored; and with religion being the arcane fabric that has literally held societies together for millennia, it too will most certainly be exploited. On the whole though, with shamans, their spiritual experiences are authentic; and their function vital to their respective communities. It's a much different relationship than with a clergyman...who is an obstacle, contrasted with the shaman, who is a vehicle.
TheDreamMechanic 1 year ago
@ Kingtiger213 2nd of there is more than just what we see. Ever hear of the MIND? Faith is not just a religious word. I do believe in God, but I still believe in other ways to make life better. For example, positive thinking, confidence/believing in one self & the placebo effect; all based on FAITH. We are only beginning to uncover what the human mind has to offer. God and science are two different topics. Science is the study of how the universe or nature works, while God in the Creator.
Psych7Weapon 1 year ago
@Psych7Weapon - Positive thinking!? IS that evidence of a creator? Nope.
You, and all creationists, have presented NO evidence whatsoever for the existence of a god. None.
So, is Kingtiger supposed to find god through self impose meditation? How does that work exactly? Does god just show up in his head? Wacky sir. VERY wacky.
What is happening is Neuroscience. Nothing more. The Placebo effect in full force.
Can you provide the point where God is evident?
TalladegaTom 1 year ago
@TalladegaTom Where in my reply did I once try to proove the Existance of God? NOT ONCE. I could careless if people have evidence or not. Your belief in God or His sopposite none-Existance is your own matter, as faith in HIM is mine. I will not cast the first stone. I just simply stated the power of the human mind and how faith, positive thinking and the likes are very powerful. Also my argument was that Dawkins should study theology in great detail (PhD level) before bashing it like he does.
Psych7Weapon 1 year ago
@Psych7Weapon - Right here. "My faith (in God and in myself) has done a lot for me, and it makes me a better and happier person."
Apparently THAT is all the proof YOU need. That is YOUR quote.
For me, that doesn't do it.
The power of faith is the placebo effect working with your neurons unless you can provide evidence to the contrary.
TalladegaTom 1 year ago
@TalladegaTom , Read the whole thing not just one sentance and assume things; that makes ppl look as you say "wacky." Summary; God, along with my psychology knowldge make my life better, as they do many other lives. Where do u see an argument for His Existance? Evidence in MY OPINION is not nessary, though I have my own. I see the whole athiest vs. thiest argument as pointless, and a waste of everyone's time. We see u as a test of our faith as, u see science as ultimate disproof of God.
Psych7Weapon 1 year ago
@Psych7Weapon - We see ya'll as blind and can't understand how ya'll can be so obtuse with regard to a faith position.
The bible clearly is false and gets people killed on a daily basis yet those of "faith" defend it without regard for its deadly consequence.
That sir, is a wacky position to take.
The absence of evidence is evidence of absence.
TalladegaTom 1 year ago
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Psych7Weapon 1 year ago
@Psych7Weapon - You are missing the point here.
Religion/the bible causes deadly consequences. It makes claims that are false yet supported by people like you in "faith".
Don't how you can possibly see things any other way.
You make the claim that supernatural beings exist with only the evidence produced by your own neurons.
Religion is full of lies where the Scientific Method ferrets out what is really true.
As Carl Sagan once said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".
TalladegaTom 1 year ago 2
@TalladegaTom If you care to carry out this debate about your claims that it is the Bible it self that is responsible for deadly consequences than point these consequences to me? As you say, I require evidence for your claims. Second, since when has science actually been used to disproof God? Science is how the natural world or universe works and all the laws that govern it, while TO ME AS A CATHOLIC God is the begin responsible for the existence of the universe. I agree with Science too.
Psych7Weapon 1 year ago
@Psych7Weapon - Here is CLEAR evidence that the bible causes deadly consequences. The bible indicates that witches and demons exist WITHOUT giving ANY method to determine who is and who is not a witch yet Exodus 22:17 states that "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live".
Folk who get dubbed a "witch" are condemned to cruelty, torture and death with no justification.
So, do they exist or not?
If they do, how do you tell?
If they do not, WHY CONTINUE that false meme? watch?v=SbGzFN_NalI
TalladegaTom 1 year ago
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Psych7Weapon 1 year ago
@TalladegaTom I feel just as bad for these children as u do. But I don't think it's the Bible that's making the sickos do that stuff. They hide behind it, but come on. Anyone who believes in God and Jesus knows about the love that Christ was trying to teach mankind; "1) Love the Lord u'r God 2) Love u'r neighbor as you do urself... Whatever you do to another person, it's as if you have done it to me" Y don't u atheists ever notice those massages? It's just these Old testament arguments w/ u ppl.
Psych7Weapon 1 year ago
@Psych7Weapon - NONSENSE! It is EXACTLY the bible that makes that happen.
They 'hide behind' the bible? Huh!? Nope, they just read it.
So, do witches and demons exist or not? What criteria do you use to determine if they do?
I consider your position one that allows this kind of nonsense to flourish by your inability to distinguish reality from falsehood.
Unless you are willing to denounce their existence then YOU are partly responsible for the results.
Where is you common sense my good man?
TalladegaTom 1 year ago
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Psych7Weapon 1 year ago
@Psych7Weapon - I am claiming (using this particular argument) that the bible is false and causes deadly consequences which I have already given sufficient evidence to support.
You apparently support the idea of supernatural beings, including but not limited to, god, witches, demons and maybe a "holy" ghost or two.
You said that "I do not know how to id anything close to a witch, or am I too sure what a witch may be."
BINGO! 'cause they DO NOT EXIST!
Just like your god idea. Unsupported.
TalladegaTom 1 year ago
@TalladegaTom Okay? Since when was I giving u any support/evidence for God's existence? I told u I do not require scientific evidence or a experimental research paper for my belief. Nor do I need to justify my belief to u. I have my own evidence & whether or not it makes it to a university or scientific journal I could careless. U have proven nothing to me. U also avoid a lot of the stuff I talk about and ask (Dawkins & USSR), I wounder y? U, my friends need to read more carefully =)
Psych7Weapon 1 year ago
@Psych7Weapon - Agreed. You have not given us ANY evidence for you god whatsoever.
You are happy living in a belief system made up entirely of thoughts and ideas that are in your own head because you have you own evidence.
What Richard Dawkins and others say about religion is essentially that it is false for the reasons YOU state.
Again, the absence of evidence is evidence of absence.
TalladegaTom 1 year ago
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Psych7Weapon 1 year ago
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Psych7Weapon 1 year ago
@TalladegaTom So y is Dawkins selling books & making arguments to harmless ppl? If u & he feel strongly about this issue & the suffering of others, y don't u preach/stop the monsters? What would making believers into atheists accomplish? Will that stop these violent ppl or will it just sell "god delusion"? What has Dawkins done other than BITCH about religion? The USSR was Atheist at core & have committed countless crimes; against humanity (many reasons) & religious ppl (for believing in GOD).
Psych7Weapon 1 year ago
@Psych7Weapon - Uh..we ARE preaching that gods, demons, and supernatural monsters DO NOT EXIST.
Although I'm sure Dawkins can give you a few examples from the fossil record of critters that could be considered monsters. :)
Making believers into atheists would be helpful for society.
Folks would live in reality not a fantasy world. I think that is a much better way to go.
All the old myths and procedures that harm humanity would finally be gone from civilization and we can advance ourselves.
TalladegaTom 1 year ago
@TalladegaTom U still have not answered any of my questions about u'r leaders Dawkins or the ATHEIST USSR, and if u feel uncomfortable answering them that is okay. However, don't be surprised about our assumptions an atheist-ism. We finally agree on something "Agreed. U have not given us ANY evidence for you God whatsoever" I've been trying to tell u that for a while, I was beginning to worry about u. Yes, I am happy with my own evidence, another thing I wondering when u were gonna get =)
Psych7Weapon 1 year ago
@TalladegaTom I don't think u ppl realize what u'r trying to achieve. I read Jean-Paul Sartre, and I still remember the depressive feelings and thoughts... I also remember the first time I questioned the existence of God, when I was six years old, after seeing the Ape to man picture and cave men, it almost had me convinced. I never told anyone about that experience, and wonder what it was that brought me back. Talking to atheists has this negative aspect to it, & I really don't like it.
Psych7Weapon 1 year ago
@TalladegaTom I say He exists & u will hopelessly attempt to beat into my head that he does not. Though, this conversation was never about His existence, U just try to make it one. What's it like not believing in GOD? R u happy or sad in u'r life? What made u atheist? Tell me about u'r self, u can answer those in my personal You Tube mail box, where u'r friends can't see it. THIS OFFER IS TO ANY ATHEIST WHO WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THEMSELVES, I"M INTERESTED. I PROMISE NOT TO TELL U"R FRIENDS
Psych7Weapon 1 year ago
@Psych7Weapon - Maybe this one from Sam Harris might also be helpful.
watch?v=J3YOIImOoYM
And this is the main reason why religion fails.
watch?v=BNf-P_5u_Hw
TalladegaTom 1 year ago
@Psych7Weapon I can offer some insight to you. We are happy not believing in your god, we lead wonderful lives. We save many hours a year by not going to your sunday morning cult rituals. We (I) raise my children the best I can, with what little I have. I can tell you that the one reason that I am an atheist is because my parents JAMMED it down my throat when I was a kid. Every sunday, week after week, year after year, for what? To see who the best dresser was?
Kingtiger213 1 year ago 31
@Psych7Weapon I was an altar boy, I helped dish out "jesus' blood". What a load of sh*t. It was ernest and julio gallo!!! Some devine grape juice, let me tell you.....
We base our lives on common sense, not superstitious voodoo written in a book, porly translated over 2000 years. Maybe you should read "Mein Kampf". It resembles the bible in many ways.
I think the ownus is on YOU to prove that god exists, not just in your head, for REAL this time.
Kingtiger213 1 year ago
@Kingtiger213 God bless u and I hope that u'r children have a happy life. I hope that u will gain more and be able to live a better life. I'm sorry that ppl JAMMED God down u'r throat. It saddens me that many religious ppl don't get what FREE WILL is, & they resort to weird methods to argue God in ppls lives (intelligent design, threats of hell, social stigma & church fashion show). In the end they push many ppl away, I like to think my faith & love r strong. I am sorry b/c of their actions
Psych7Weapon 1 year ago
@Psych7Weapon My rebellious nature is strong, so Ps can't force me to believe in God or go to school. I strengthened my own faith w/ open minded ppl's words, my own thoughts, stuff I read 7 God helped. I also thank atheists for my stronger faith. What will u do if u'r children choose to believe in God ? What was u'r relationship with u'r Ps like? What are they like? Mein Kampf, I am Polish/Slavic; that Anti-Christ like figure hated my ppl & used the Lord's name 4 ethnic cleansing of my ppl.
Psych7Weapon 1 year ago
@Psych7Weapon - I assume you have not read any of Dawkins books nor have you studied Evolution by Natural Selection, for if you had, you would understand what Dawkins says.
Dawkins books are about Evolution and the overwhelming amount of Scientific evidence that support it.
He makes these books to counter the FALSE claims made by creationists.
Making believers into Atheists would feee people from the false dogma that has handicapped mankind kind for thousands of years.
TalladegaTom 1 year ago
@Psych7Weapon - "What has Dawkins done other than BITCH about religion?" WTF sir. He is a world renowned Evolutionary Biologist. He is a retired Oxford Professor that taught for MANY years....besides just "bitching" about religion.
I can tell from our discussion that you are still a young person trying to figure things out.
Maybe a little Sam Harris might help you in your understanding of what reason is.
watch?v=Hj9oB4zpHww
TalladegaTom 1 year ago
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Psych7Weapon 1 year ago
@TalladegaTom 1 thing that atheists always seem to forget when arguing is that the Scientific Method can't proof a theory, it can only falsify it. A point made VERY CLEARLY by my professors in classes w/ the Sci. Method. God. I, GUESS exists outside the reach of sci, maybe in a alternate spiritual realm/universe so to speak. Einstein was the 1 who said that there may exist parallel dimensions. My experience is not good enough for "u'r evidence" and but I'm completely ok w/ that.
Psych7Weapon 1 year ago
@TalladegaTom That faith, positive psychology & placebo effect talk is not what I meant by my experience. I'm talking about other things that I have seen/heard about from ppl, and stuff I read. Which I care not to debate as I know exactly where u atheist will take it, & neither side will convince the other of anything. Cuz I have no real explanation for what happened to me or these ppl just that it did. I've talked about it already w/ another atheist & his explanation didn't fit what I said.
Psych7Weapon 1 year ago
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Psych7Weapon 1 year ago
@TalladegaTom Atheists really make me think, & I like were these discussions lead. It also SEEMS to me that DAWKINS is trying to convert as many ppl as he can to atheism. But we all know that the fundies he is suppository "after" will not convert; he just gets ppl that were weak in faith to begin w/ or normal ppl. other posibility is that he is trying to create and fuel a hatred of religion. He is also trying to milk the POPULARITY CASH COW he is riding. As r many famous militant atheists:)
Psych7Weapon 1 year ago
@TalladegaTom I agree with u people on 1 thing. The fundies destroy science, and it is annoying how they always need to add God to science teachings. To me as a believer it is obvious that it's God's work, and I feel not need to add Him into the lectures/disscution/books when studying science. My believe in God is very secure; I feel no need to debate His existance. I think He is real, and my belief in Him makes me a better person. You need proof, and there is not much I do about that.
Psych7Weapon 1 year ago
julia gillard, the prime minister of australia right now, is an atheist. why does this geezer try to make australia seem like some super religious country? it isn't.
karlsmith00 1 year ago
@ Kingtiger213 I never said that I know more about the Bible than Dawkins. Most likely NO since he in so obsessed with It; more than people who believe in God. But since his life focuses around the Book so much he should study It more, in order to have a REAL DEBATE and a BETTER UNDERSTANDING of the opposite side. Also I never said I am a better person than anyone, I said my faith makes ME MYSELF A better person. I love science, MAYBE more than you. We don't know each other so we'll never know.
Psych7Weapon 1 year ago
I agree Dawkins should learn/study theology in great detail before he bashes us! In my opinion faith is the single most import aspect of life. It's what gives people the ability to preform better, we feel better, we are happier, it gives us hope, and if used the correct way it gives us a better life. My faith (in God and in myself) has done a lot for me, and it makes me a better and happier person. If people really understood the meaning of the Bible (for example) a lot of problems would vanish.
Psych7Weapon 1 year ago
@Psych7Weapon I think that he knows more about your bible than you do. Does your faith cure your common cold? NO. Chicken soup and rest cure your cold. If your god exists, then noone of faith would get cancer, killed in war, etc. Superstitions do not make you a better person. Are you better than me? You don't know me. I prefer science.
Kingtiger213 1 year ago
What an excellent host. American TV could learn alot from this feller.
squidfanny 1 year ago
Haha..."they should hang their heads in shame"
mpitluk 1 year ago
what can i do as an atheist, to like, ok im just gunna lay this shit out blatantly, what can i do to end religion in my family/friends/community?
milkwasabadchoice131 1 year ago
i like how he says barack obama. its so cute
ssips720 1 year ago
a muslim made love to a pig. Now pigs are considered dirty.
sundayraver 1 year ago
My God is and AWESOME God ! ! !
bRadicalmagic1 1 year ago
Richard Dawkins is a kindly, Oxford intellectual Gentleman. If this is the highest calibre of militancy that atheism has to offer then that speaks volumes for our gentleness.
Meanwhile, take a minute to try and think of the world's most militant theist...chances are you'll keep thinking you have it before an even more belligerant nutter comes to mind and so on
ProcInc 1 year ago
@ProcInc yes, Hitchens & Harris can be quite intolerant but Grayling, Dennett & Dawkins are not anywhere near as militant as their critics make out. Sometimes Dawkins makes the odd statement which can be a little offensive but sometimes people need to be staunch & robust in order to make progress. James Watson has a reputation for offending people but he is still a brilliant man. Of course Dawkins is a very harsh critic of young earth creationism but I have 100% sympathy with him there.
STEPHENWRAYSFORD33 1 year ago
Darwin's rottweiler..... LMFAO!!!!!!!
Anyways, LONG LIVE RICHARD MOTHERFUKING DAWKINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RevInt1 1 year ago
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hypoguess 1 year ago
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hypoguess 1 year ago
Dawkins is brilliant! But it doesn't take a genius to figure out who invented God...
railroadtrash09 1 year ago
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What a great man :)
OmiXel 1 year ago
i would love to molest richard dawkins
mlbfan3 1 year ago
@mlbfan3 What...?
Dianeva89 1 year ago
@Dianeva89 i want to do dawkins analey
mlbfan3 1 year ago
@mlbfan3
Does your mother know that you can't spell anally?
And does your father know you're a low life schmuck?
People like you are proof that evolution is an ongoing process and some of us have progressed farther than others.
hypoguess 1 year ago
@hypoguess how gives a fuck i am just a homosexual who has a fetish for dawkins
mlbfan3 1 year ago
@hypoguess atheist like us are suppose to respect gays not be intolerent of gays
mlbfan3 1 year ago
@mlbfan3
Speak for yourself and I'll speak for myself. Atheists are individuals who don't believe in god. Nothing more and nothing less. Homosexuality has nothing to do with it.
hypoguess 1 year ago
@hypoguess But there is no rational reason to be homophobic. The vast majority of scientists accept that it is impossible to change ones sexuality, and causes much trauma and abuse to the homosexual if it is attempted. Do you really think that every human has the same innate sexuality, and that it is impossible for there to be some diversity? As it is recognized that homosexuality is neither a choice but a variation of human sexuality, homophobia is akin to racism and common bigotry.
thatcher88 1 year ago
As much as I respect Richard Dawkins, I must say, "learn your adversary." I think he should at least take a class on theology, it sounds ignorant to say you don't need to. As for studying leprechauns... you gotta know something about them before you can determine anything about them right? I'm not saying take a class, but if you didn't know what a leprechaun was, then who are you to say it isn't real? But we do learn religion growing up so...
caligulaincarnate 1 year ago
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lol, get a life
guyboy625 1 year ago
I believe no one should force their beliefs down anyones throat, Richard's your awsome scientist but get off my toes before i push you off.
Youngminded4eva 1 year ago
@Youngminded4eva What an arrogant deluded fuck you are. How is he on your toes? You came to watch this video no one forced you. Everything is not about you. I am so fucking sick of you religious extremists threatening people. If you don't want to listen don't but don't fucking threaten people and try to justify it by pretending he is one your toes.
WillShakespeare2007 1 year ago
To Dawkins own submission to his unknown religion. I proclaim to you is Jesus Christ is your unknown God.
I must be missing something here I am sure Jesus said love your enemy.
PottersBass 1 year ago
@PottersBass Love your enemy... Atheists are the enemies of God.... Atheists are sent to hell by God.... You don't send people you love to hell.... God doesn't love his enemies....Oops, God doesn't follow his own rules
That, my friend, was LOGIC. Look it up :)
1234funsies 1 year ago
@1234funsies oops Jesus said love your enemy what do you prophet from other.............. (sent to hell) why are you so concern about hell.................oops the truth of the matter is only one can make a statement and still have control of the other and bring us to this knowledge, my friend as to your reply it only shows your ignorance to the true meaning of tribulation and direction of love. Your LOGIC is only a empty claim.
PottersBass 1 year ago
All hail the brotherhood of left handed electricians! Lol.
dougyoolikeme 1 year ago
Hmmm I'm suddenly hungry for a KFC
kendrawhisp 1 year ago
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lordmetal2 1 year ago 3
@lordmetal2
Except for that there is no country called North America.... get an education.
henkvanderlaak 1 year ago