@cammyjee I think you're right, it's a mistake to conflate behaviour with 'personality', even if there's a significant overlap, perhaps I should restrict my argument to cognitive styles which might be considered as deriving from personality or character, but then again I have no idea, would I still like the movies of Jarmusch had I grew up in different circumstances than the ones I had
when I look at mainstream Psychology--a branch of Psychiatry--I see an institution which blames the ones who for whatever reeason cannot fit in. NEVER do the psychologists look at the system itself including their role in it!! No, they blame the personas---and speak about us as machines of chemical and electrical interactions --an idea from their mentor Wilhelm Wundt.
Previous to him it was Rene Descartes who claimed animals were machines!
So my point is that to understand ourselves and others
@zezt 2---you CANNOT ignore the whole of the culture. An example---children being bullied. Look how they are treated in this crutalizing warmongering civilization. It is IMPLIED it is their fault. NEVER is school itself exposed as the biggest fukin bully of the lot. Now why IS that do you think?
@zezt (1) As RD Laing said: ‘Psychiatry could be, and some psychiatrists are, on the side of transcendence, of genuine freedom, and of true human growth. But psychiatry could so easily be a technique of brainwashing, of inducing a behavior that is adjusted, by (preferably) non-injurious torture. In the best places, where straitjackets are abolished, doors are unlocked, leucotomies largely forgone, these can be...
@zezt (2) ….these can be replaced by more subtle lobotomies and tranquillizers that place the bars of Bedlam and the locked doors inside the patient. Thus I would wish to emphasize that our ‘normal’ ‘adjusted’ state is too often the abdication of ecstasy, the betrayal of our true potentialities, that many of us are only too successful in acquiring a false self to adapt to false realities’
@almafarag yes it is the same mindset which suppresses entheogenic awareness. I like to connect the dots--you can see how they have tried to degrade the IMAGEination via propaganda so as to privatize the body and soul. They suppress the natural imagination and supplant their gaudy version for exploitation and profit. As soon as you begin seeing this it undermines their propaganda ;)
I find great comfort in thinking of the brain as a chemical and electrical system. I know for a fact that I can change the accustomed pathways of thought by my will and practice. I cant completely remove defeating behavior or negative thoughts but I can reroute how I respond to that stimulus. great work here my friend. yours Earl
I've been thinking along very similar lines... Are you familiar with John Greene's action assembly theory or Anders Ericsson's theory of expertise? It also sounds like you've been influenced by John Dewey's or William James' concept habit, or possibly the theory of neural dynamics? I think we have a great range of freedom for conscious self-creation, but this would probably require a very sophisticated knowledge and practice. Hope to see a long series out of this ; )
@TRAGlCHERO I'm not familiar with these theoreticians yet, but when time allows i'll definitely take a look, thanks for the suggestion, and you're right I find neural dynamics rather appealing, are you familiar with Merlin Donald's work by the way? I'm just getting into his stuff, it seems interesting so far: "conscious ability exist to optimize & coordinate the resources of the brain" as he says...
@almafarag Looked up Merlin Donald's wiki. It seems he follows Jerry Fodor's evolutionary theory of brain modularity. It is interesting, but I'm not a big fan of this type of cognitivism. I'd be more persuaded by phenomenological accounts of the embodied mind (i.e., Varela, Heidegger, Merleau-Ponty, Ricoeur), especially in its practical implications with respect to moral or cognitive capabilities. If that area interest you, I'd recommend looking into Hubert Dreyfus' model of skill acquisition.
I think that even though you have a better idea you fall back in to outdated nature/environment plus freewill paradigm when trying to explain. I's say that we are talking about a complex process and one important thing that keeps that process in particular way/state is how you think/feel about yourself and the world. So by changing those things you can change yourself.
Naturally, objectively speaking there is no you that acts the changes, the process just shifts.
There seems to be a moment right in between the input and the mental cascade as you mentioned. I would imagine depending on the circumstances of the person in question, if for example the person was experiencing happiness just prior to the input as opposed to being angry. The trigger may activate a different cascade.
oh my god! Mark looks even more gorgeous with this sexy beard
gemiguds 1 year ago
@cammyjee 'our awareness can shape our circuits' - how neatly put
almafarag 1 year ago
@cammyjee I think you're right, it's a mistake to conflate behaviour with 'personality', even if there's a significant overlap, perhaps I should restrict my argument to cognitive styles which might be considered as deriving from personality or character, but then again I have no idea, would I still like the movies of Jarmusch had I grew up in different circumstances than the ones I had
almafarag 1 year ago
when I look at mainstream Psychology--a branch of Psychiatry--I see an institution which blames the ones who for whatever reeason cannot fit in. NEVER do the psychologists look at the system itself including their role in it!! No, they blame the personas---and speak about us as machines of chemical and electrical interactions --an idea from their mentor Wilhelm Wundt.
Previous to him it was Rene Descartes who claimed animals were machines!
So my point is that to understand ourselves and others
zezt 1 year ago
@zezt 2---you CANNOT ignore the whole of the culture. An example---children being bullied. Look how they are treated in this crutalizing warmongering civilization. It is IMPLIED it is their fault. NEVER is school itself exposed as the biggest fukin bully of the lot. Now why IS that do you think?
zezt 1 year ago
@zezt *brutalizing
zezt 1 year ago
@zezt (1) As RD Laing said: ‘Psychiatry could be, and some psychiatrists are, on the side of transcendence, of genuine freedom, and of true human growth. But psychiatry could so easily be a technique of brainwashing, of inducing a behavior that is adjusted, by (preferably) non-injurious torture. In the best places, where straitjackets are abolished, doors are unlocked, leucotomies largely forgone, these can be...
almafarag 1 year ago
@zezt (2) ….these can be replaced by more subtle lobotomies and tranquillizers that place the bars of Bedlam and the locked doors inside the patient. Thus I would wish to emphasize that our ‘normal’ ‘adjusted’ state is too often the abdication of ecstasy, the betrayal of our true potentialities, that many of us are only too successful in acquiring a false self to adapt to false realities’
almafarag 1 year ago
@almafarag yes it is the same mindset which suppresses entheogenic awareness. I like to connect the dots--you can see how they have tried to degrade the IMAGEination via propaganda so as to privatize the body and soul. They suppress the natural imagination and supplant their gaudy version for exploitation and profit. As soon as you begin seeing this it undermines their propaganda ;)
zezt 1 year ago
@zezt yes
federeich2 1 month ago
I find great comfort in thinking of the brain as a chemical and electrical system. I know for a fact that I can change the accustomed pathways of thought by my will and practice. I cant completely remove defeating behavior or negative thoughts but I can reroute how I respond to that stimulus. great work here my friend. yours Earl
bikemessenger7 1 year ago
I've been thinking along very similar lines... Are you familiar with John Greene's action assembly theory or Anders Ericsson's theory of expertise? It also sounds like you've been influenced by John Dewey's or William James' concept habit, or possibly the theory of neural dynamics? I think we have a great range of freedom for conscious self-creation, but this would probably require a very sophisticated knowledge and practice. Hope to see a long series out of this ; )
TRAGlCHERO 1 year ago
@TRAGlCHERO I'm not familiar with these theoreticians yet, but when time allows i'll definitely take a look, thanks for the suggestion, and you're right I find neural dynamics rather appealing, are you familiar with Merlin Donald's work by the way? I'm just getting into his stuff, it seems interesting so far: "conscious ability exist to optimize & coordinate the resources of the brain" as he says...
almafarag 1 year ago
@almafarag Looked up Merlin Donald's wiki. It seems he follows Jerry Fodor's evolutionary theory of brain modularity. It is interesting, but I'm not a big fan of this type of cognitivism. I'd be more persuaded by phenomenological accounts of the embodied mind (i.e., Varela, Heidegger, Merleau-Ponty, Ricoeur), especially in its practical implications with respect to moral or cognitive capabilities. If that area interest you, I'd recommend looking into Hubert Dreyfus' model of skill acquisition.
TRAGlCHERO 1 year ago
I think that even though you have a better idea you fall back in to outdated nature/environment plus freewill paradigm when trying to explain. I's say that we are talking about a complex process and one important thing that keeps that process in particular way/state is how you think/feel about yourself and the world. So by changing those things you can change yourself.
Naturally, objectively speaking there is no you that acts the changes, the process just shifts.
esaman 1 year ago
There seems to be a moment right in between the input and the mental cascade as you mentioned. I would imagine depending on the circumstances of the person in question, if for example the person was experiencing happiness just prior to the input as opposed to being angry. The trigger may activate a different cascade.
subinfinite 1 year ago