umm can you do this technique at home? im 13 and i dont have the time to ask my parents to have this technique done for me. But can you do this with a different instrument(s) you can find around the house.
1) To everyone who says "this is gua sha", no it is not. However, it is similar, and yes, I think it builds off of gua sha does. Graston didn't invent the wheel, it just refined it.
2) To those who say this doesn't work....drop by my office anyday. It works instantly, and gets rid of problems that have there for a long time.
For all the people saying this is gua sha, congratz, you figured it out, every other comment is saying the same thing. Yes, it is gua sha. Its obvious. Anyone can spot it. you can stop telling us now.
Great stuff, ART is a life saver! Myofacial release is great too as is standard chiro of course. Saved me from a life of pain! Used to have tons of adhesions/scar tissue after my injuries!
you are rubbing the mans skin with a knife repeatedly and hard, when it clearly breaks a billion bloodvessles and when it starts to essentialy rugburn him, you claim it to be an indication of an interior soft tissue injury or limitation?!?!?!
the term "adhesion"? that alone....
i cant believe there are people who will fall for this, but here we are.
chiropractor doing soft tissue manipulations? talk about scope of practice violation. Give the technique its proper due. This is Gua Sha along with massage techniques. Definite scope of practice violation.
Soft tissue technique? Registered Massage Therapists already do these manipulations. What you did looks very similar to my technique but it's called trigger points and gua sha. Too funny, I had a good laugh though....thank you!
@tubeybaby33 I wonder what you do for a living, your comments don't sound too professional. I went to a chiropractor that did this technique on my leg, through the length of the IT band, and the result was immediate. My leg did tighten back up after one week, and I had to go get treated again. Now I can go about two months without issue in my leg. Not sure why you had a good laugh, you didn't have similar result when you were using gua sha?
@josebrid The redness is not the only way that a person can assess for scar tissue or adhesions. As the tool goes over an area of the body that has adhesions it feels almost sandpaper like. Those adhesions are then treated by the practitioner. So it can be used on people with different skin colours.
Paul, I can tell you that whether or not I can get directly on the capsule, there is no doubt that I can affect the capsule posteriorly. Anteriorly, I can get directly onto it. I can literally feel the capsule on the humerous as I take it through a range of motion. Please refer to the article in Dynamic Chiropratic Dynamic Chiropractic – December 2, 2008, Vol. 26, Issue 25 for treatment of the posterior capsule.
Whether or not supraspinatus can develop adhesions is not the point in question here. The point is that supraspinatus plays absolutely no role whatsoever in horizontal adduction, therefore this is an inappropriate objective marker for assessment following treatment.
Point 3:
Whether Graston Technique is effective or not is neither mine, nor your place to judge; we really need to see scientific evidence to support its effectiveness.
I would be pleasantly suprised if you were able to support this treatment with empirical, high-quality, randomised controlled trials, or indeed any other form of robust evidence (not case reports).
@paulwelford1 What sucks about this approach is that it is "effective" because he treats every muscle blindly in the area. As an LMT with a high quality of touch, I can tell you he cannot feel any adhesions with that metal instrument. The nervous system has no way to balance itself because the input of the stimulation is too fast and traumatic to the area and like you said, this will get worse. Your comments are fascinating, I hope to do some research with them based on them. Kudos....
Supraspinatus plays no role in horizontal adduction of the shoulder, either as a prime mover or via passive restriction if shortened. It will, however, play a role as a stabiliser of the glenohumeral joint.
Any increases in range of motion are clearly attributable to the winging of Davie's superomedial scapular border at end of range. This increase in range has therefore further compromised the dynamic stability of the shoulder complex and may actually perpetuate his 'impingement'.
As a chartered physiotherapist with years of musculoskeletal clinical experience, I am concerned regarding several elements of this demonstration:
Point 1: The glenohumeral joint capsule is impalpable, lying deep to the deltoid. It is not anatomically possible to gain access to the posterior capsule using what appears to be a blunt metallic palette knife and even less likely to be able to feel any alteration in tissue tone (rather than using the rather more sensitive index finger or thumb)
Point 1: The GH joint is very palpable. You can directly contact the inferior and superior part of the capsule anteriorly, and can go through the post delt posteriorly. These are actually very simple to do (talk to any ART provider).
Point 2: The supraspinatus can get an adhesion right before (and under) the acromium. With Graston you can get to it. It becomes more accessible as you move the shoulder into Internal rotation.
This appears to be a horribly unspecific technique with the vigorous scrubbing. The hands have sensitivity to them that no tool could ever have. While you may need more training in hands on soft tissue work (i.e. being an LMT, etc.) the pay off is worth it.
That is awesome!!! I am absolutely going to be learning this.
For those who are wondering about the efficacy of real soft tissue work (not just "deep massage", This video really shows how effective soft tissue modalities can be.
I have been doing this to myself at home with simple instruments and have been able to get rid of the majority of shoulder issues that have held me back for 3 years. Even so, I am running up on the limits of self therapy. I can't wait to get in to a professional!
I got a "Turf Toe" injury in Aug of last year throwing a football around, with my son, in slippers. I used anti-inflams and all sorts of other meds my doc prescribed in an attempt to cure the prob to no avail. Surgery was suggested and was being considered. After telling my Chiro he asked to try Graston on me. It was the most improvement yet after 1 session. It was the same with muscle issues of the back.. Can't wait for the other 3-5 treatments. A massive thumbs up. I say give it a try!!
@dreww42 In Gua sha it's mainly - as in acupuncture - about meridians and the blockage of them. In western medicine (and TAM) meridians and "blocked energy channels" are not real and it's about the tissue itself.
It's the same with a western (swedish) massage vs. shiatsu & tuina: The theory behind it is a very different one.
He tells you it's a histamin reaction. In Gua sha it's "the Qi is flowing thru the meridians again" (which is not real). So: Big difference, and not the same duck.
Chiropractic is full of some of the worst quackery you will ever encounter in any of the supposed pseudo medical sciences. ART and massage are certainly beneficial, but the claims made during the video are just more pseudo-scientific chiro-quackery. Petechiae are from burst blood vessels nothing more, LOL at that as some great result of the treatment - just LOL. Healthy skepticism is advised here folks.
Chiropractic is full of some of the worst quackery you will ever encounter in any of the supposed pseudo medical sciences. ART and massage are certainly beneficial, but the claims made during the video are just more pseudo-scientific chiro-quackery. Petechiae are from burst blood vessels nothing more, LOL at that as some great result of the treatment - just LOL. Healthy skepticism is advised here folks.
@bkdmd Yes, both of these treatments are very effective for weight lifting injuries. It depends exactly what's going on with your shoulder as to how quickly you will get better. For example, instability will take 2-4 months with rehab to get better. If it's more of a strain, impingment, scar tissue, either treatment should take care of it within 8-10 visits. Hope that helps.
Yes it hurts! I just injured my shoulder a month ago and I've been doing this twice a week. My doctor uses both techniques, and they both hurt. You can see Davy's vein bulging in his head during the Active Release. My doctor and the massage therapist I see right before him both do this to me. No fun, but it's definitely helping!
I am a chiropractor--have been since 1981. I've written several books on chiropractic. This demonstration by Dr. Josh is terrific. His professionalism and knowledge is first rate. I've never seen better. I don't know Dr. Josh, but just by seeing the way he works I can tell he is the real deal. I am proud that he is a fellow chiropractor. He didn't mention what state he was from, but wherever he works, people are lucky to have him there.
@firstblob Absolutely! It is good to know that this is (hopefully) the direction that manual therapy is headed, because without an integration of soft tissue work with bone realignment you just can't guarantee lasting results.
I am amazed to see the speed with which this can be done. That is pretty remarkable.
can dr. josh's wife give me an active release
RatchetSouth 6 days ago
i would like to see Baba do an energetic graston technique
WildBillHickums 1 week ago
will this work for a trace of tenosynovitis with the tibialis posterior flexor tendon in my ankle?
slowmotionbro 3 weeks ago
@slowmotionbro Yes it will. It pretty much will work on any muscle, tendon, ligament, and nerve as long as you know the anatomy.
jgbross 3 weeks ago
Dr. Josh is hot.
desideratum07 1 month ago
gua sha means scraping in chinesse
My039 1 month ago
umm can you do this technique at home? im 13 and i dont have the time to ask my parents to have this technique done for me. But can you do this with a different instrument(s) you can find around the house.
blackapino150 2 months ago
1) To everyone who says "this is gua sha", no it is not. However, it is similar, and yes, I think it builds off of gua sha does. Graston didn't invent the wheel, it just refined it.
2) To those who say this doesn't work....drop by my office anyday. It works instantly, and gets rid of problems that have there for a long time.
jgbross 3 months ago
For all the people saying this is gua sha, congratz, you figured it out, every other comment is saying the same thing. Yes, it is gua sha. Its obvious. Anyone can spot it. you can stop telling us now.
cerevox 3 months ago
This is a rip off of a 5,000 year old technique we use in Chinese Medicine called Gua sha.
anninchicago 3 months ago
@anninchicago And Beethoven is a rip off of Gregorian Chant.....
WildBillHickums 3 months ago
why didnt you just take a 6 month RT program if you wanted to do this.. which is actually beyond the scope of practice of DC
JogBird 3 months ago
He looks a little like Charlie's brother from 2 and 1/2 Men.
A1234567890J1 4 months ago 2
HI isn't this called gua sha?
fredguy2 4 months ago 4
Some of best stuff u can do for an injury, ART, myofacial release, deep tissue work....amazing stuff!
T3Training 5 months ago
Great stuff, ART is a life saver! Myofacial release is great too as is standard chiro of course. Saved me from a life of pain! Used to have tons of adhesions/scar tissue after my injuries!
T3Training 5 months ago
who the hell believes this?!?!?
you are rubbing the mans skin with a knife repeatedly and hard, when it clearly breaks a billion bloodvessles and when it starts to essentialy rugburn him, you claim it to be an indication of an interior soft tissue injury or limitation?!?!?!
the term "adhesion"? that alone....
i cant believe there are people who will fall for this, but here we are.
BARPOBARPO 5 months ago
4:40 high five fail
WildBillHickums 5 months ago
So this is how Gua Sha works? It increases blood flow to the area and speeds healng?
CyberDragonZero 5 months ago
This is essentially soft tissue massage with a metal instrument. Use your palpascopes (fingers and hand).
TheOsteo72 5 months ago
Well if he didn't have a sore shoulder before he does now.
moondog203 6 months ago
chiropractor doing soft tissue manipulations? talk about scope of practice violation. Give the technique its proper due. This is Gua Sha along with massage techniques. Definite scope of practice violation.
manofdreds 6 months ago
@manofdreds so who's suppose to do soft tissue manipulations if not chiropractors? what can chiropractors only do?
TLCMQN 6 months ago
fake....like the gong show...
darrylhaynes 7 months ago
Soft tissue technique? Registered Massage Therapists already do these manipulations. What you did looks very similar to my technique but it's called trigger points and gua sha. Too funny, I had a good laugh though....thank you!
tubeybaby33 8 months ago
@tubeybaby33 I wonder what you do for a living, your comments don't sound too professional. I went to a chiropractor that did this technique on my leg, through the length of the IT band, and the result was immediate. My leg did tighten back up after one week, and I had to go get treated again. Now I can go about two months without issue in my leg. Not sure why you had a good laugh, you didn't have similar result when you were using gua sha?
TLCMQN 6 months ago
and please do not use too much strength too, if the muscle is scared, it will appear to look red anyway.
tantrick 9 months ago
chinese has been using this techniques for centuries... there are two type "Graston" = "Guasha" and vacuum technique which is call "baguan"
tantrick 9 months ago
so prity much if im black im fu.. cuz u cant see the red?
racist treatment!
josebrid 9 months ago
@josebrid The redness is not the only way that a person can assess for scar tissue or adhesions. As the tool goes over an area of the body that has adhesions it feels almost sandpaper like. Those adhesions are then treated by the practitioner. So it can be used on people with different skin colours.
DChambersdc 8 months ago
Reference:
Multiquadrant digital analysis of shoulder capsular thickness.
Ciccone WJ 2nd, Hunt TJ, Lieber R, Pedowitz R, Esch J, Tasto JP.
Source
San Diego Sports Medicine and Orthopaedic Center, and the Department of Orthopaedics, the University of California San Diego, USA.
paulwelford1 9 months ago 2
@paulwelford1
Paul, I can tell you that whether or not I can get directly on the capsule, there is no doubt that I can affect the capsule posteriorly. Anteriorly, I can get directly onto it. I can literally feel the capsule on the humerous as I take it through a range of motion. Please refer to the article in Dynamic Chiropratic Dynamic Chiropractic – December 2, 2008, Vol. 26, Issue 25 for treatment of the posterior capsule.
jgbross 9 months ago 2
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Dr Bross, I'm afraid you have missed my point.
Point 1
The average thickness of the posterior glenohumeral joint capsule is
2.22 mm. This increases only to a maximum of 4.47mm in a 'frozen
shoulder' (see reference below). While it is possible to apply
pressure onto the capsule through the deltoid, as I mentioned,
detection of a (maximum) 2mm capsular thickening through the bulky
deltoid is impossible by palpation.
paulwelford1 9 months ago
Point 2:
Whether or not supraspinatus can develop adhesions is not the point in question here. The point is that supraspinatus plays absolutely no role whatsoever in horizontal adduction, therefore this is an inappropriate objective marker for assessment following treatment.
Point 3:
Whether Graston Technique is effective or not is neither mine, nor your place to judge; we really need to see scientific evidence to support its effectiveness.
Regards
paulwelford1 9 months ago
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paulwelford1 9 months ago
Final point:
I would be pleasantly suprised if you were able to support this treatment with empirical, high-quality, randomised controlled trials, or indeed any other form of robust evidence (not case reports).
paulwelford1 9 months ago
@paulwelford1 What sucks about this approach is that it is "effective" because he treats every muscle blindly in the area. As an LMT with a high quality of touch, I can tell you he cannot feel any adhesions with that metal instrument. The nervous system has no way to balance itself because the input of the stimulation is too fast and traumatic to the area and like you said, this will get worse. Your comments are fascinating, I hope to do some research with them based on them. Kudos....
VisionsofSprode 8 months ago
Point 2:
Supraspinatus plays no role in horizontal adduction of the shoulder, either as a prime mover or via passive restriction if shortened. It will, however, play a role as a stabiliser of the glenohumeral joint.
Any increases in range of motion are clearly attributable to the winging of Davie's superomedial scapular border at end of range. This increase in range has therefore further compromised the dynamic stability of the shoulder complex and may actually perpetuate his 'impingement'.
paulwelford1 9 months ago
As a chartered physiotherapist with years of musculoskeletal clinical experience, I am concerned regarding several elements of this demonstration:
Point 1: The glenohumeral joint capsule is impalpable, lying deep to the deltoid. It is not anatomically possible to gain access to the posterior capsule using what appears to be a blunt metallic palette knife and even less likely to be able to feel any alteration in tissue tone (rather than using the rather more sensitive index finger or thumb)
paulwelford1 9 months ago 2
@paulwelford1
Paul
Point 1: The GH joint is very palpable. You can directly contact the inferior and superior part of the capsule anteriorly, and can go through the post delt posteriorly. These are actually very simple to do (talk to any ART provider).
Point 2: The supraspinatus can get an adhesion right before (and under) the acromium. With Graston you can get to it. It becomes more accessible as you move the shoulder into Internal rotation.
jgbross 9 months ago
@jgbross pwnd.
realbeetlejuice 2 months ago
@dreww42 behave yourself
tuina1 9 months ago
what if they are a real dark skinned person and you can see the red
jamari3a1 10 months ago
Yes!!!
Gua sha - TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) technique.
Just another example of the west historically stealing ancient practices, putting a patent on it, taking ownership and credit ;^/ yuck!
D9nTheSun 10 months ago
omg that patient is so hot......
tyreez10 11 months ago
This appears to be a horribly unspecific technique with the vigorous scrubbing. The hands have sensitivity to them that no tool could ever have. While you may need more training in hands on soft tissue work (i.e. being an LMT, etc.) the pay off is worth it.
VisionsofSprode 1 year ago
im just curious how would this work on black folk
rcny212 1 year ago
That is awesome!!! I am absolutely going to be learning this.
For those who are wondering about the efficacy of real soft tissue work (not just "deep massage", This video really shows how effective soft tissue modalities can be.
I have been doing this to myself at home with simple instruments and have been able to get rid of the majority of shoulder issues that have held me back for 3 years. Even so, I am running up on the limits of self therapy. I can't wait to get in to a professional!
slizzardman 1 year ago
i have an old baseball injury with lots of scar tissue stiffen over the years will this help? also does it hurt? he looks really red in his shoulder
bigtaxdizzle 1 year ago
i have an old baseball injury to my shoulder will this help?
bigtaxdizzle 1 year ago
I got a "Turf Toe" injury in Aug of last year throwing a football around, with my son, in slippers. I used anti-inflams and all sorts of other meds my doc prescribed in an attempt to cure the prob to no avail. Surgery was suggested and was being considered. After telling my Chiro he asked to try Graston on me. It was the most improvement yet after 1 session. It was the same with muscle issues of the back.. Can't wait for the other 3-5 treatments. A massive thumbs up. I say give it a try!!
mongosha 1 year ago
nope....the glenoid fossa tendons need to be stretched out...this is snake oil sirs...
johnsmdm 1 year ago
@johnsmdm have you ever had active release therapy???
i spent over $5,000 dollars (US) for snapping hip syndrome and the after affects of osteolysis. Nothing worked.
ART "cured" me in two sessions. I can give you all the details, if asked. Seriously.
expatinasia 1 year ago
I wish I could afford these types of treatments, my athleticism would increase and I'd feel a whole lot better!
chillnigga2 1 year ago
isn't this gua sha?
tuina1 1 year ago 9
Similar principle. Graston uses stainless steel tools that have different edges to go over different body parts.
jgbross 1 year ago
@jgbross aka western society ripping off other people and selling it for massive profit.
cymon86 5 months ago
@tuina1
Yes. With trademarks and psychic steel.
chekkdisout 1 year ago
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dreww42 9 months ago
@dreww42 In Gua sha it's mainly - as in acupuncture - about meridians and the blockage of them. In western medicine (and TAM) meridians and "blocked energy channels" are not real and it's about the tissue itself.
It's the same with a western (swedish) massage vs. shiatsu & tuina: The theory behind it is a very different one.
He tells you it's a histamin reaction. In Gua sha it's "the Qi is flowing thru the meridians again" (which is not real). So: Big difference, and not the same duck.
meggaiwa 9 months ago
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Chiropractic is full of some of the worst quackery you will ever encounter in any of the supposed pseudo medical sciences. ART and massage are certainly beneficial, but the claims made during the video are just more pseudo-scientific chiro-quackery. Petechiae are from burst blood vessels nothing more, LOL at that as some great result of the treatment - just LOL. Healthy skepticism is advised here folks.
bullmeecham 1 year ago
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Chiropractic is full of some of the worst quackery you will ever encounter in any of the supposed pseudo medical sciences. ART and massage are certainly beneficial, but the claims made during the video are just more pseudo-scientific chiro-quackery. Petechiae are from burst blood vessels nothing more, LOL at that as some great result of the treatment - just LOL. Healthy skepticism is advised here folks.
bullmeecham 1 year ago
Petechiae are from burst blood vessels.
dontspeak11 1 year ago
Does this work for weight lifting injuries?
I have a chronic shoulder injury that is slowing down my benching.
Should I find one of these ART trained professionals? Typically how many treatments does it take?
bkdmd 1 year ago
@bkdmd Yes, both of these treatments are very effective for weight lifting injuries. It depends exactly what's going on with your shoulder as to how quickly you will get better. For example, instability will take 2-4 months with rehab to get better. If it's more of a strain, impingment, scar tissue, either treatment should take care of it within 8-10 visits. Hope that helps.
jgbross 1 year ago
Yes it hurts! I just injured my shoulder a month ago and I've been doing this twice a week. My doctor uses both techniques, and they both hurt. You can see Davy's vein bulging in his head during the Active Release. My doctor and the massage therapist I see right before him both do this to me. No fun, but it's definitely helping!
lollipopcocks 1 year ago
Great vid
Paladinmax 1 year ago
Ow! It looks like it hurts!!! OW OW OW!!!!!! I hurt just looking at it!!!!!
Oliviaanncoronado 1 year ago
What type of creams can you use for this treatment?
OwnedOver9000 1 year ago
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braja3605 1 year ago
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braja3605 1 year ago
Is this like Gua Sha?
OwnedOver9000 1 year ago
@OwnedOver9000
I thought the same thing.....the first technique is gua sha, which is used in traditional chinese medicine and has been for hundreds of years
jrumbel 1 year ago
does that hurt
Shaquillewatson 1 year ago
@Shaquillewatson It does, but not as much once u get used it.
dodocrest 1 year ago
Thank you Josh. I am think you are great.
johntran313 1 year ago
Excellent video.
I am a chiropractor--have been since 1981. I've written several books on chiropractic. This demonstration by Dr. Josh is terrific. His professionalism and knowledge is first rate. I've never seen better. I don't know Dr. Josh, but just by seeing the way he works I can tell he is the real deal. I am proud that he is a fellow chiropractor. He didn't mention what state he was from, but wherever he works, people are lucky to have him there.
firstblob 2 years ago 9
@firstblob Absolutely! It is good to know that this is (hopefully) the direction that manual therapy is headed, because without an integration of soft tissue work with bone realignment you just can't guarantee lasting results.
I am amazed to see the speed with which this can be done. That is pretty remarkable.
slizzardman 1 year ago