$cientology is not a religion. Ask them about Xenu and see if they ever talk to you again. Right now $cientology is gathering private information about you just in case they don't like something you say. Fuck the cult of $cientology. Why are you talking to these assholes?
You can tell by her responses that she passed OT3 and beyond. She is brainwashed once you get passed Clear and you get into OT training and you start believing this bullshit they got you. Your eyes turn and you are a zombie. I hope one day this evil cult will be destroyed by aliens. The same alien race that Xenu was from and kills everyone who is a scientologist.
I'm an atheist and I'm against most social "sciences" as well. From my experience they start with a conclusion and then look for facts to support it rather than looking at facts and forming a conclusion. I see sociology as deserving of respect as astrology and "intelligent design".
Yes, Islam is called "religion" too but it is not less dangerous than Scientology. I am not assolving Christianity etc. but Islam is according to me and many others (ex-muslims too) the most stupid and violent one and so is its so-called "prophet". Islam should be "banned". They are spreading hatred and causing troubles in other countries and breaking the laws too. I am very sorry for all innocent women and children who are brainwashed and abused by such fanatics.
SPOILER ALERT OF THIS WHOLE INTERVIEW: SCIENTOLOGY IS BULLSHIT :) But like every single one of this woman's videos. She is amazing. Subscribe to her as well :D
This woman is wasting our time. She's been given the opprtunity to explain her and her churches side of story so the least she can do is be concise and to the point instead going of on a tangent about things that are barely relevant. That is if she wants us to hear her out
@bookcreator condescending, really. Or is she simply applying the same sort of skepticism people would apply to anything in there life with the exception of religion
@kennyboy2372 I think the latter. Perhaps ''condescending'' wasn't the right word, but I'm not used to her attitude toward religion (don't get me wrong, it's like a breath of fresh air).
@n0possibility I got a shocker for you, all religion is made up, scientology is just one of the newer religions, it's all crazy shit. in my opinion anyway
i live in Clearwater. they are not well liked here. they walk around in their white shirts and blue pants like robots. they seem to be hip-mo-tized. never smile, always looking down. you can get a ticket if you beep your horn in front of their building. (the fort harrison.) they are buying up property like crazy. we don't want them here. any takers?
You can't tell me where to go to get this powerful a technology somewhere else so what would you have me (or them) do anyway? It is my choice. I think for the most part most Scientologists are intending to help people and experience the power of the tech and get all excited about it and get very serious and protective of it and that upsets those who have not experienced it and don't understand it and further upsets tjose who are basically evil.
I'm not a member of the orgs but do the tech on my own and find the technology something significantly important both scientifically and spiritually and it has had a very large effect on my life in a very good way as many others I've met. Why do you not knock Buddhist monks who live a more meager self-imposed life-style just as those in Scientology orgs? If they want to do that it is their business, right?
I do knock Buddhism it can be extremely harmful when you apply it to a practical day to day life in country's where it is practiced not to mention Buddhism is also extremely misogynistic. If a woman even touches a Buddhist monk his "enlightenment" training is set back 20 years. Wow and i though Catholics were repressed.
@FactVsReligion There are literally hundreds of buddhist sects and they all have their own take on the religion. Most do not adhere to that rule. Male Monks were originally taught to stay away from women only because they can inspire desire within the monk & in order to reach enlightenment you must not desire anything of this world. Some sects took this too far & turned it into "women are bad", but in buddhas time there were female monks as well.
With all this activity and intense circumstances sometimes incompetent people or simple mistakes can lead to problems and their nay-sayers try to blow those situations up even though any organization embarking on such a broad endeavor involving millions like this will have an occasional very bad situation crop up from time to time no matter how good the intensions.
As for the "black operations" and whatever... those are reserved for enemys that are clearly trying to destroy them. There must be strong measures to prevent these types from trying to destroy them and I know from my personal experiences having been kidnapped by whom I'll call "Illuminati wanabees" and such are very bad people (see those attacking my tech... the atom bomb makers in link below).
Being a Scientologist in an Org is a very intense commitment, much like a Buddhist might involve themselves with being a monk. It is a decision that they are informed about ahead of time. If you don't like it don't do it... no? They won't force you. But what they have to offer is worth the trouble once you know what's going on and it's at least never "blind faith".
From my viewpoint, as a scientist Scientology is the only organized activity (so far) I've experienced that very effectively, as promised puts you into real awareness of spirituality and most of these nay-sayers either don't know that human beings are spirits and not bodies or are involved with evil practices of covertly trying to do simply bad things (from my experience).
Hello, I very carefully listened to your Tory Christman link. Thank you for sending that. I too have been in Scientology for 37 years (off and on) and have heard all the bad PR like that thousands of times before. The situation is that spirituality appears not to be real to you as it was not for me for a long time. Tory Christman says Scientology was just about communication and if that is all she got out of it I can see her misunderstanding. ..
I searched my whole life for a method to increase my spiritual awareness and ability. Only Scientology auditing did that for me. I've never been exterior (astral projection) yet but know friends in the orgs who have been honest with me for many years who look me dead in the eye and say they have with the tech. Scientology was the only thing that proved to me that I am a spirit and spiritual abilities actually exist and did it in a scientifically verifiable way (I am a scientist).
they are just going to keep you tagging along until you cant afford it any more or you figure out it's a scam. It's not even a very good scam. It's a blatantly obvious scam You either have to be mentally ill or extremely emotionally desperate to fall for it.
As for the orgs people are not perfect and one foul-up and the media eats them up. The media are trash, they are the main problem on this planet. So, they have their problems... so what! Finding out that you are a functioning spirit and learning how to operate as what you really are trumps all the logistical problems in spades. Bottom line: It works as promised or refund. No risk there.
I agree with MiuraUU, Get out while you still can. I was in for three years as a public, though never regarded it as a religion, nor did I applause to pictures of hubbard. I stayed away fro the internet like they recommended, until recently. I looked up scientology on youtube. I discovered that crazy xenu story, total horseshit, and what hubbard was really like. That was it for me, anybody who believes in that content of OT3, needs mental help, and not by a scientologist.
Notice Scientologists only pretend to respect other religions when they're trying to hide behind their Religion cloak.
If they had their way not only every religion would be completely eliminated but also every system of thought cleared off the planet.
Scientology is about absolute control over every one, every thought, every feeling, every government. EVERYTHING all in the name of "total freedom". How you like dem apples?
Isn't the hidden disrespect common to all or at least many religions? Christians and muslims for example would rather see the world share their views, as they have made clear on numerous occasions (think crusades, suicide bombings, but also christian 'missions' overseas).
Died from suicide from despair from CoS' cruel DISCONNECTION Policy?
How many have DIED from MEDICAL MALPRACTICE from CoS from people being cajoled into going off crucial meds, or avoiding needed medical care, all because of CoS insisting that auditing on the emeter will cure all your ills, mental & physical?
How many more DEATHS will there be, before CoS ceases these two hugely DESTRUCTIVE, HARMFUL practices?
Following the release of Scientology OT levels on wikileaks on April 7 2008, Scientology threatened legal action against them. Wikileaks said in response: "Wikileaks will not comply with legally abusive requests from Scientology .... Wikileaks will remain a place where people of the world may safely expose injustice and corruption. Indeed, in response to the attempted suppression, Wikileaks will release several thousand pages of additional Scientology materials next week."
in fact, the very last verse ever written in the koran is titled the "verse of the sword", and talks of nothing other than either forcibly converting, or killing any who wont convert absolutely everyone in the world. this is what led to the islamic crusades, which were just as bloody as the christian crusade.
and it is also written that any verse that contradicts another verse, then the NEWER verse is to be followed, the older discarded. this means that all peaceful verses are null and void
Scientology doesn't really have a belief system they are upfront about. That well-known story about Xenu, space aliens, body thetans, and exploding volcanos is a story of their core beliefs which Scientology spokespersons deny to the media, and Scientologists reaching that level deny to others (because it is a high crime to confirm the story).
The "believable" portion of Scientology is that they advertise themselves as a self-help philosophy.
Except the "disgusting" part of Islam is caused by the individual Muslim's interpretation of his faith's doctrine and not necessarily Islam itself. In the case of Scientology, the Church of Scientology itself is the one causing harm AND it is written right in L. Ron Hubbard's own policy letters. I don't say this to excuse the abuses of Islam but rather to illustrate the difference.
i dont know, the only difference between mohamed and hubbard is that hubbard actually told people what he was going to do. oh, and hubbard wasnt violent, and didnt condone violence, while mohammed did both
Actually, Hubbard hasn't told people what he was going to do. It is lie after lie after lie. The Church of Scientology lied about his biography (called him a nuclear physicist, a war hero, etc...) when he is actually a college dropout and mediocre science fiction writer.
Hubbard wasn't violent, but his successor, David Miscavige (current Scientology leader), physically abuses his staff (in fact, as of today, many ex-members are speaking out about these abuses).
no i meant that hubbard had already said that the quickest way to get rich was to come up with your own religion.
he did say that, right? and then, a couple years later he came up with this joke. all completely based on money. you cant even find out what the religion believes until you have paid a certain amount of money. its the perfect religion for making money, right?
while islam is the perfect religion for a power mad psychopath (which mohamed was), and for men in general
Unfortunately there is no way to verify your claim that Mohammed was a power mad psychopath. At least with Hubbard, there are personal journals, military records, and the words of his own family members, to confirm that Hubbard was a deeply paranoid individual desperate to smash his name into the history books, and, in the process, make millions of dollars pushing his own brand of pop psychology.
Hubbard's cult has been scamming people for over half a century. He's not as upfront as you say.
oh, i never meant to imply that he was upfront, but he DID say that the quickest and best way to become rich was to create a new religion, didnt he?
and there are just as many documents from friends, family and mohammed himself that imply (deeply) that he was in fact schizophrenic. the writings in the koran back this up. whereas the early written verses (or surrahs, if you want the correct term) are fairly peaceful, about living alongside other religons, the last verses written were very violent
The Review Zombie often talks in the 3rd person. occasionally though he will talk in the eighth or ninth person, a form of person that the living cannot possibly understand. That's why the review zombie limits himself to the 3rd person in Youtube comment. The review zombie is however attempting to get down to the 2nd or 3rd.
A 35+ year old female who is on the "hunt" for a much younger, energetic, willing-to-do-anything male. The cougar can frequently be seen in a padded bra, cleavage exposed, propped up against a swanky bar in San Francisco (or other cities)waiting, watching, calculating; gearing up to sink her claws into an innocent young and strapping buck who happens to cross her path. "Man is cougar's number one prey"
I have just decided to worship my pinky fingernail on my left hand. My other nails have decided it is the true way as well. So given the 10 members I have, I proclaim StuLeftPinkyNailism to be the youngest religion.
It is a belief system based on following orders or directives from a higher source that claims the authority to do so. Giving authority to an entity separate from the self as being superior, and acting in ritual upon that superior, that is not religion? Even if it is the U.S. Government funding ISI to instruct them as servants, and you do not call them a "God" or worth "worship", it is relative to religion to me. My opinion, don't have to agree. That is why I asked.
The world work like this .... a dominated population serve a dominator individual, you can see this in guerrilla communities and in multinational campanies aswell...
In all actuality Scientology is no more different than any other religion. Once you get passed the few Anonymous members who spam anti-Scientology messages on boards, and weed through all the irrelevant forums. Once you talk to a real Scientologist you find out that they are no different than anyone else.
Some people only go to church on Easter, some people are at bible study everyday. This is the same as Scientologist. I think its time to let them be.
No other religious in the world is as corrupt as Scientology. The Cult of Scientology lures in people, extorts them for money, and blackmails them when they try to leave. Scientology is the ONLY religion CONVICTED with infiltrating government agencies to obtain names and information on people they see as 'enemies'. Scientology ruins lives, harasses critics and breaks up families. It abuses the weak and the lost. It blackmailed the IRS to get tax exemption.
Davey is a squirrel. He is killing the COS. Go to the FriendsofLRH site and see EXACTLY what LRH policy he has altered, violated, squirreled. This is no joke...this man has crimes.The COS is failing under him. G E T H I M O U T ! ! ! ! !
I think the difference between a religion and a cult is totally superficial. They should be classified the same way, or no classification system should exist at all, in my opinion.
i agree with you on most of those points, the only probably i can say is all religions were a cult at sometime. Usually early on in the belief system. I'm not a believer in scientology what so ever, in fact i believe in any faith you want just as long it doesn't dicatate your life. Religion can be a gift or a curse, depending how strong the influence is to it's members.
So you disagree then with this version of cult? Mindset within a cult: (no personal choice allowed): 1) subjugation under stress and fatigue 2) Social disruption, isolation and pressure 3) Self criticism and humiliation 4) Fear, anxiety and paranoia 5) Control of information 6) Escalating commitment 7) Use of auto-hypnosis to induce 'peak' experiences 8) Pay to play path to enlightenment If so, which part do you disagree with, and what would you consider a cult?
I can guarantee you donations are voluntary in Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. But none of those three religions will ever force you to disconnect from a member of your family critical of your religion, nor will any member accompany you to a bank in order to make sure the church is paid. Staff members of Scientology earn $50/week , and whenever a Scientologist is sick or has an accident, Scientology blames that person.
Also, no other religion partakes in censorship like Scientology does.
Donations are voluntary in Islam? Muslim warlords don't exist? Islam makes no comment on, let's say, a girl trying to marry outside of it? You're right: it's not disconnect, it's "honour killing."
Christianity results in no alienation with the family? You've not heard of Jehovah's Witnesses, or Mormons? Or Roman Catholics?
You should broaden your disgust and your efforts.
As it is, you're full of shit and blinkered to what the actual problem is.
I guess it was only a matter of time before someone came along and lumped Scientology in with other religions, when in fact it is the most dangerous out of all of them due to the fact that Christians and Muslims cause death through their interpretation of their faith's doctrine, but in the case of Scientology, the Church of Scientology itself is the one causing harm. Big difference. I don't say that to excuse those faiths but rather to illustrate the difference.
Yup dangerouslytalented, agreed. Any sect of Christianity or Islam that starts acting like the characteristics I stated below is what I perceive as a cult. I know to a good many of you it's all the same, but Scientology, mainly to its corrupt organization, is a cult.
A sect of Scientologists called the Freezoners (those who study Scientology outside of the church) are actually free from the CoS' corruption and are not necessarily a cult.
But for Scientology to engage in blackmail...cultlike.
Well, there certainly are fundamentalists of all those three religions that will demand disconnection from family members if they are not part of that specific religion or religious group.
@kashphlinktu Thankfully you are not in charge. The difference between a religion and a cult is fundamentally that one is about authentic spiritual pursuit, one is merely a form of mind control. No doubt some religions have cult-like elements. Second - no religion would ever force people to do things they were uncomfortable with - and people would be free to leave at any time.
I am moving back to New Port Richey area prolly in July or so. I'll be 10-15mil away from Clearwater. I knew there was a church down there never went to try and interview em. Good job though on this =)
She's been a Scientologist since 1979? I heard somewhere that she isn't "clear" yet or may have only become "clear" until just recently. That's one helluva long time to not get what is essentially guaranteed by the "church".
WOW. She is the first "religious" person I have ever heard that actually knows the difference between morals and ethics. I haven't met a christian yet that knew the difference. That's fairly impressive.
Yes there is a difference between morals and ethics but that doesnt matter if you write your own rules about what is ethical. In scientology if your "statistics" are down then you are out ethics. this creates a hostile environment where those incapable of "producing" are punished and left behind.
I never said I agree with scientology in any way. I just said that she was the first "religious" person I have ever heard that knew there was a difference. I got an A in my Medical Law and Ethics Class because I, one of only a few in an entire class, knew there was a difference. The professor even singled me out as a positive example because I was the one who first vocalized the point.
I didnt get the impression you agreed with scientology - sorry for the misunderstanding. I also agree with you that it is rare for someone to understand the difference.
There is an overlap, but they are not exactly the same thing. For example, we talk of professional ethics (codes of conduct) but we do not talk of professional morality. Only one meaning of "morality" inheres ethics. Google it.
Yep- it costs aboit 330, 000 dollars to find out about Xenu the evil galactic overlord and body thetans... that's alot of money for bad science fiction!
Morality and Ethics are basically the same (custom - habit). They just suffered a philosophical split up about 300 years ago with Kant and Hegel mainly; but, since then, people seems to confound each one of those in vernacular language [...] No matter if they do Scientology or they don't.
Everyone likes that word cult, but I think they're no more a cult than any other religion. There are plenty even more outrageous things done by bigger religions. How are alien spirits more outrageous than Jewish zombies?
The cult is mending its PR away from something which was once very self destructive and your work here is simply the evidence of it. They are in direct with competition for psychiatric health dollar, and they are not interested in you or anyone with critical thinking skills, and as far as I know your "find out for yourselves" suggestion isn't accepted as a successful treatment for any one suffering and vulnerable.
Spineless is a pathetic excuse. It's clitless. You brandish provoking imagery and resort to some harsh words with no oversight for the passer by on youtube, and yet you slip into a hijab and willingly preform genital mutilation on yourself for anyone with an appeal to the materialist in you. You've talked to someone who damn well knows there's no fucking 'bridge to total freedom' because they are still limited to some administrative position in a fucking cult, and it's you who's now pretending.
2:45 -- lol I can imagine in her office there is someone "ok, now begin reading this script.." Also funny how she hasn't answered your initial question.
3:40 -- lol in other words: K.S.W. - keep scientology working.
7:20 -- how can she say that.. its not something u have to believe in.. wtf? rofl
$cientology is not a religion. Ask them about Xenu and see if they ever talk to you again. Right now $cientology is gathering private information about you just in case they don't like something you say. Fuck the cult of $cientology. Why are you talking to these assholes?
Metalreaper007 1 month ago
All I hear when Harney is blabbing is blah blah blah. Wake up lady...
krazygreen 4 months ago
You can tell by her responses that she passed OT3 and beyond. She is brainwashed once you get passed Clear and you get into OT training and you start believing this bullshit they got you. Your eyes turn and you are a zombie. I hope one day this evil cult will be destroyed by aliens. The same alien race that Xenu was from and kills everyone who is a scientologist.
Wongwongwong10000 4 months ago
she's pretty.
RokhuStar 6 months ago
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DanMcCaffrey 7 months ago
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DanMcCaffrey 7 months ago
All religion is crap. But Scientology is especially vile and repugnant.
CaperAway1 8 months ago
@CaperAway1
Why?
wesselbindt 7 months ago
I'm an atheist and I'm against most social "sciences" as well. From my experience they start with a conclusion and then look for facts to support it rather than looking at facts and forming a conclusion. I see sociology as deserving of respect as astrology and "intelligent design".
cavejourney 11 months ago
@cavejourney QFT
SlayerOfLies 7 months ago
islam is a true faith. scientology is not. the two cannot be compared. fyi I am not a muslim
9lorac 11 months ago
@9lorac
Yes, Islam is called "religion" too but it is not less dangerous than Scientology. I am not assolving Christianity etc. but Islam is according to me and many others (ex-muslims too) the most stupid and violent one and so is its so-called "prophet". Islam should be "banned". They are spreading hatred and causing troubles in other countries and breaking the laws too. I am very sorry for all innocent women and children who are brainwashed and abused by such fanatics.
chandal09 4 months ago 5
can a poor person be a scientologist? NO they charge money for all their"sessions"
Besides poor people r 2 smart for their bullshit.
They luv people with money, if u have it they will welcome u.
9lorac 11 months ago
As a atheist I do view CoS as one of the most dangerous
hakaboy6924 11 months ago
SPOILER ALERT OF THIS WHOLE INTERVIEW: SCIENTOLOGY IS BULLSHIT :) But like every single one of this woman's videos. She is amazing. Subscribe to her as well :D
MrTheNewBEN 11 months ago
This woman is wasting our time. She's been given the opprtunity to explain her and her churches side of story so the least she can do is be concise and to the point instead going of on a tangent about things that are barely relevant. That is if she wants us to hear her out
1982mockingbird1982 1 year ago
She's got an interesting accent. Kind of Aussie, kind of midwestern, kind of southern.
unholyimage 1 year ago
@unholyimage english born but raised in canada
kennyboy2372 1 year ago
"I've been a Scientologist since 1979, and have been dealing with communications of rumors and misinformation" ?!? Is that a subconscious admission?
jlplace 1 year ago 4
O_O... you look great
Th0usandMaster 1 year ago
THIS VIDEO IS A PLANT. IT IS FAKE. SHE IS A SCIENTOLOGIST.
It's made to look authentic.
jamster8888 1 year ago
@jamster8888 I'm pretty sure the interviewer is semi-famous youtube atheist FactVsReligion, so she isn't a scientology plant.
tml4873 1 year ago
@jamster8888 No she's not. She's an fervent atheist that has a channel called Factvsreligion and is very condescending toward religion.
bookcreator 1 year ago
@bookcreator condescending, really. Or is she simply applying the same sort of skepticism people would apply to anything in there life with the exception of religion
kennyboy2372 1 year ago
@kennyboy2372 I think the latter. Perhaps ''condescending'' wasn't the right word, but I'm not used to her attitude toward religion (don't get me wrong, it's like a breath of fresh air).
bookcreator 1 year ago
Thank you very much for your decision not edit. It was a smart and honest choice. God bless!
Gethsemaneful 1 year ago
"I don't want to edit it or cut it in any way."
in other words...
i suck at editing/journalism (which is why i constantly stutter while trying to ask my horrible questions)
scientology is the biggest made-up crap religion since the mormons
n0possibility 1 year ago
@n0possibility I got a shocker for you, all religion is made up, scientology is just one of the newer religions, it's all crazy shit. in my opinion anyway
kennyboy2372 1 year ago
@kennyboy2372 everyone has the right to their own opinion unless it involves scientology or being a crazy ass morman
n0possibility 1 year ago
i live in Clearwater. they are not well liked here. they walk around in their white shirts and blue pants like robots. they seem to be hip-mo-tized. never smile, always looking down. you can get a ticket if you beep your horn in front of their building. (the fort harrison.) they are buying up property like crazy. we don't want them here. any takers?
peace, lardo.
lardo444 1 year ago
Scientology is just a cult that kills you if you try to leave
MrNarwhale12 1 year ago
Too bad Pat doesn't talk about leaving her husband and children to join the SO. They were devastated.
1spicygypsy 1 year ago 2
scientology sucks
point final
elisabeta13 1 year ago
@elisabeta13 agreed =D DOWN WITH $CIENTOLOGY!!!!
anonwillprevail247 1 year ago
The bullshitter ttalking to the bullshitter
perdurabo3 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
I hope what I have said here helps stop the fighting on both sides and that the information is useful to that. Have a good day.
Charles
These are the people to look out for:
(read Ralph Merkle's "Kenematic Self-replicating machine book... at: 3.16
patent review page... it will show his evil) (link won't paste here... sorry.
leadman22 1 year ago
I hope what I have said here helps stop the fighting on both sides and that the information is useful to that. Have a good day.
Charles
These are the people to look out for:
(read Ralph Merkle's "Kenematic Self-replicating machine book... at: 3.16
patent review page... it will show his evil) (link won't paste here... sorry.
leadman22 1 year ago
You can't tell me where to go to get this powerful a technology somewhere else so what would you have me (or them) do anyway? It is my choice. I think for the most part most Scientologists are intending to help people and experience the power of the tech and get all excited about it and get very serious and protective of it and that upsets those who have not experienced it and don't understand it and further upsets tjose who are basically evil.
leadman22 1 year ago
I would suggest therapy. it's much less expensive and at least it's founded on some kind of logical basis.
FactVsReligion 1 year ago
I'm not a member of the orgs but do the tech on my own and find the technology something significantly important both scientifically and spiritually and it has had a very large effect on my life in a very good way as many others I've met. Why do you not knock Buddhist monks who live a more meager self-imposed life-style just as those in Scientology orgs? If they want to do that it is their business, right?
leadman22 1 year ago
I do knock Buddhism it can be extremely harmful when you apply it to a practical day to day life in country's where it is practiced not to mention Buddhism is also extremely misogynistic. If a woman even touches a Buddhist monk his "enlightenment" training is set back 20 years. Wow and i though Catholics were repressed.
FactVsReligion 1 year ago
@FactVsReligion There are literally hundreds of buddhist sects and they all have their own take on the religion. Most do not adhere to that rule. Male Monks were originally taught to stay away from women only because they can inspire desire within the monk & in order to reach enlightenment you must not desire anything of this world. Some sects took this too far & turned it into "women are bad", but in buddhas time there were female monks as well.
annaknowsu 1 year ago
@FactVsReligion
lol
menonfire12 1 year ago
With all this activity and intense circumstances sometimes incompetent people or simple mistakes can lead to problems and their nay-sayers try to blow those situations up even though any organization embarking on such a broad endeavor involving millions like this will have an occasional very bad situation crop up from time to time no matter how good the intensions.
leadman22 1 year ago
As for the "black operations" and whatever... those are reserved for enemys that are clearly trying to destroy them. There must be strong measures to prevent these types from trying to destroy them and I know from my personal experiences having been kidnapped by whom I'll call "Illuminati wanabees" and such are very bad people (see those attacking my tech... the atom bomb makers in link below).
leadman22 1 year ago
Being a Scientologist in an Org is a very intense commitment, much like a Buddhist might involve themselves with being a monk. It is a decision that they are informed about ahead of time. If you don't like it don't do it... no? They won't force you. But what they have to offer is worth the trouble once you know what's going on and it's at least never "blind faith".
leadman22 1 year ago
From my viewpoint, as a scientist Scientology is the only organized activity (so far) I've experienced that very effectively, as promised puts you into real awareness of spirituality and most of these nay-sayers either don't know that human beings are spirits and not bodies or are involved with evil practices of covertly trying to do simply bad things (from my experience).
leadman22 1 year ago
Hello, I very carefully listened to your Tory Christman link. Thank you for sending that. I too have been in Scientology for 37 years (off and on) and have heard all the bad PR like that thousands of times before. The situation is that spirituality appears not to be real to you as it was not for me for a long time. Tory Christman says Scientology was just about communication and if that is all she got out of it I can see her misunderstanding. ..
leadman22 1 year ago
I searched my whole life for a method to increase my spiritual awareness and ability. Only Scientology auditing did that for me. I've never been exterior (astral projection) yet but know friends in the orgs who have been honest with me for many years who look me dead in the eye and say they have with the tech. Scientology was the only thing that proved to me that I am a spirit and spiritual abilities actually exist and did it in a scientifically verifiable way (I am a scientist).
leadman22 1 year ago
they are just going to keep you tagging along until you cant afford it any more or you figure out it's a scam. It's not even a very good scam. It's a blatantly obvious scam You either have to be mentally ill or extremely emotionally desperate to fall for it.
FactVsReligion 1 year ago 2
As for the orgs people are not perfect and one foul-up and the media eats them up. The media are trash, they are the main problem on this planet. So, they have their problems... so what! Finding out that you are a functioning spirit and learning how to operate as what you really are trumps all the logistical problems in spades. Bottom line: It works as promised or refund. No risk there.
leadman22 1 year ago
have you ever tried asking for your money back. you should try it and see what happens.
FactVsReligion 1 year ago 2
I agree with MiuraUU, Get out while you still can. I was in for three years as a public, though never regarded it as a religion, nor did I applause to pictures of hubbard. I stayed away fro the internet like they recommended, until recently. I looked up scientology on youtube. I discovered that crazy xenu story, total horseshit, and what hubbard was really like. That was it for me, anybody who believes in that content of OT3, needs mental help, and not by a scientologist.
TheRockSlammer 1 year ago
I´ve been invovled in scientology and it is not that good or bad. I am the same person as before but happier. And some new abbilties.
AlexCrazyHand 1 year ago
people get happy of alkohol too but it dosent mean its good for u scientology is a cult and mt advice is to get out from it as soon as possible
MiuraUU 1 year ago
Notice Scientologists only pretend to respect other religions when they're trying to hide behind their Religion cloak.
If they had their way not only every religion would be completely eliminated but also every system of thought cleared off the planet.
Scientology is about absolute control over every one, every thought, every feeling, every government. EVERYTHING all in the name of "total freedom". How you like dem apples?
MrWinston1984 2 years ago 3
Isn't the hidden disrespect common to all or at least many religions? Christians and muslims for example would rather see the world share their views, as they have made clear on numerous occasions (think crusades, suicide bombings, but also christian 'missions' overseas).
Hilcoism 1 year ago
How many people have DIED,
Died from suicide from despair from CoS' cruel DISCONNECTION Policy?
How many have DIED from MEDICAL MALPRACTICE from CoS from people being cajoled into going off crucial meds, or avoiding needed medical care, all because of CoS insisting that auditing on the emeter will cure all your ills, mental & physical?
How many more DEATHS will there be, before CoS ceases these two hugely DESTRUCTIVE, HARMFUL practices?
Bobb9999 2 years ago 4
lol scientologists are suppose to not like psychology and yet she uses terms like introvert.
TheDeathofGrace 2 years ago
its psychiatry that they dont like
Vokio 2 years ago 14
Paul Haggis and his wife were asked to disconnect from her parents. Scientologists lie.
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OpenComments 2 years ago
in fact, the very last verse ever written in the koran is titled the "verse of the sword", and talks of nothing other than either forcibly converting, or killing any who wont convert absolutely everyone in the world. this is what led to the islamic crusades, which were just as bloody as the christian crusade.
and it is also written that any verse that contradicts another verse, then the NEWER verse is to be followed, the older discarded. this means that all peaceful verses are null and void
w0bbl3r 2 years ago
How did your accent form? For the most part it sounds american, but with hints of british.
TheObnubilators 2 years ago
did anyone else hear tom cruise say that as a scientologist you are the ONLY person who can do something when people are injured in an accident?
that was hilarious.
but i suppose scientology is more believable than islam, by a long way
w0bbl3r 2 years ago
Scientology doesn't really have a belief system they are upfront about. That well-known story about Xenu, space aliens, body thetans, and exploding volcanos is a story of their core beliefs which Scientology spokespersons deny to the media, and Scientologists reaching that level deny to others (because it is a high crime to confirm the story).
The "believable" portion of Scientology is that they advertise themselves as a self-help philosophy.
OpenComments 2 years ago
yes, but the way its laid out is as disgusting as religion can get (with the possible exception of islam)
w0bbl3r 2 years ago
Except the "disgusting" part of Islam is caused by the individual Muslim's interpretation of his faith's doctrine and not necessarily Islam itself. In the case of Scientology, the Church of Scientology itself is the one causing harm AND it is written right in L. Ron Hubbard's own policy letters. I don't say this to excuse the abuses of Islam but rather to illustrate the difference.
OpenComments 2 years ago
i dont know, the only difference between mohamed and hubbard is that hubbard actually told people what he was going to do. oh, and hubbard wasnt violent, and didnt condone violence, while mohammed did both
w0bbl3r 2 years ago
Actually, Hubbard hasn't told people what he was going to do. It is lie after lie after lie. The Church of Scientology lied about his biography (called him a nuclear physicist, a war hero, etc...) when he is actually a college dropout and mediocre science fiction writer.
Hubbard wasn't violent, but his successor, David Miscavige (current Scientology leader), physically abuses his staff (in fact, as of today, many ex-members are speaking out about these abuses).
truthrundown(.)org
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OpenComments 2 years ago
no i meant that hubbard had already said that the quickest way to get rich was to come up with your own religion.
he did say that, right? and then, a couple years later he came up with this joke. all completely based on money. you cant even find out what the religion believes until you have paid a certain amount of money. its the perfect religion for making money, right?
while islam is the perfect religion for a power mad psychopath (which mohamed was), and for men in general
w0bbl3r 2 years ago
Unfortunately there is no way to verify your claim that Mohammed was a power mad psychopath. At least with Hubbard, there are personal journals, military records, and the words of his own family members, to confirm that Hubbard was a deeply paranoid individual desperate to smash his name into the history books, and, in the process, make millions of dollars pushing his own brand of pop psychology.
Hubbard's cult has been scamming people for over half a century. He's not as upfront as you say.
OpenComments 2 years ago
oh, i never meant to imply that he was upfront, but he DID say that the quickest and best way to become rich was to create a new religion, didnt he?
and there are just as many documents from friends, family and mohammed himself that imply (deeply) that he was in fact schizophrenic. the writings in the koran back this up. whereas the early written verses (or surrahs, if you want the correct term) are fairly peaceful, about living alongside other religons, the last verses written were very violent
w0bbl3r 2 years ago
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reviewzombie 2 years ago 2
Do you always refer to yourself in the third person?
dalejrfan800 2 years ago
The Review Zombie often talks in the 3rd person. occasionally though he will talk in the eighth or ninth person, a form of person that the living cannot possibly understand. That's why the review zombie limits himself to the 3rd person in Youtube comment. The review zombie is however attempting to get down to the 2nd or 3rd.
reviewzombie 2 years ago 2
Or even first if he feels up to it
reviewzombie 2 years ago
I see... I thought it was funny, that's all. Not that I think it's stupid... it's funny that's all...
dalejrfan800 2 years ago
thank you. i appreciate it
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edanlws 2 years ago
It seems that there is no real issue. Scientology is not the youngest religion. The youngest religion, if I am not mistaken is Baha'i.
debradunn34 2 years ago
I have just decided to worship my pinky fingernail on my left hand. My other nails have decided it is the true way as well. So given the 10 members I have, I proclaim StuLeftPinkyNailism to be the youngest religion.
TingTang1234567 2 years ago 13
What about al-Qaeda?
FUNCLEJ0E 2 years ago
What about it?
DONT TELL ME YOU THINK ALQAIDA IS A RELIGION .........
Wow, if this is what you mean, it will be the funniest joke i have ever hair.
elbombardi 2 years ago 2
It is a belief system based on following orders or directives from a higher source that claims the authority to do so. Giving authority to an entity separate from the self as being superior, and acting in ritual upon that superior, that is not religion? Even if it is the U.S. Government funding ISI to instruct them as servants, and you do not call them a "God" or worth "worship", it is relative to religion to me. My opinion, don't have to agree. That is why I asked.
FUNCLEJ0E 2 years ago
The world work like this .... a dominated population serve a dominator individual, you can see this in guerrilla communities and in multinational campanies aswell...
elbombardi 2 years ago
In all actuality Scientology is no more different than any other religion. Once you get passed the few Anonymous members who spam anti-Scientology messages on boards, and weed through all the irrelevant forums. Once you talk to a real Scientologist you find out that they are no different than anyone else.
Some people only go to church on Easter, some people are at bible study everyday. This is the same as Scientologist. I think its time to let them be.
ghummybears 2 years ago
No other religious in the world is as corrupt as Scientology. The Cult of Scientology lures in people, extorts them for money, and blackmails them when they try to leave. Scientology is the ONLY religion CONVICTED with infiltrating government agencies to obtain names and information on people they see as 'enemies'. Scientology ruins lives, harasses critics and breaks up families. It abuses the weak and the lost. It blackmailed the IRS to get tax exemption.
xenu(.)net
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OpenComments 2 years ago 6
of course you dont take the fact that it costs thousands of dollars to complete the Scientology courses.
Scientology robs people, and thats why it deserves some attention.
EndCatProductions 2 years ago
America robs people, that's how you get rich JEEZ!
fewlio 2 years ago
I would like this interview. It's starting off non-biased. It's hard to get information about Scientology straight from source.
ghummybears 2 years ago
'i've always been a spiritual person.' lol what a redundent statement.
ohdoshutit 2 years ago 2
Should probably prep better for your interview, you took too long to explain things to her, and to ask questions. Otherwise good job
Sam26100 2 years ago
wow that is such a sea org accent! :D
NearlyShaoKahn 2 years ago
Davey is a squirrel. He is killing the COS. Go to the FriendsofLRH site and see EXACTLY what LRH policy he has altered, violated, squirreled. This is no joke...this man has crimes.The COS is failing under him. G E T H I M O U T ! ! ! ! !
998987987698765 2 years ago
hello i have several comment for less importlant to more important.
1. your an attractive woman
2. your well spoken
3. your try to become well informed,
4. you dont use crude language ( it is very distracting and down grade the discussion)
5. you let people tell there story ( i saw both interviews) very good work., very different for bill O'rielly
# this is what discussion should be like
istan50 2 years ago
@istan50 It's a fake interview. The interviewer is a Scientologist .
jamster8888 1 year ago
@jamster8888 ah, no. that is factvsreligion, check out her channel.
kennyboy2372 1 year ago
i dont know about Scientology dont care.... but your pretty......
ready12121212 2 years ago
The Sea Organization was created to avoid procescution by taking to the high seas!
johncfl 2 years ago 3
The worst thing that ever happened aside from the fact that they killed Lisa McPherson, is that the US allowed them to be called a religion.
johncfl 2 years ago 5
Scientology has recently been reclassified in France. It is now a cult, not a religion. Thank god for that ;-)
Gorteenminogue 2 years ago 7
It's too bad Zeus took so long.
jimmydoolittle22 2 years ago
I think the difference between a religion and a cult is totally superficial. They should be classified the same way, or no classification system should exist at all, in my opinion.
kashphlinktu 2 years ago
THIS IS THE QUICK DEFINITION OF THE MINDSET WITHIN A CULT (no personal choice allowed):
1) subjugation under stress and fatigue
2) Social disruption, isolation and pressure
3) Self criticism and humiliation
4) Fear, anxiety and paranoia
5) Control of information
6) Escalating commitment
7) Use of auto-hypnosis to induce 'peak' experiences
8) Pay to play path to enlightenment
Scientology fits all of these characteristics, unlike the other religions.
OpenComments 2 years ago 5
i agree with you on most of those points, the only probably i can say is all religions were a cult at sometime. Usually early on in the belief system. I'm not a believer in scientology what so ever, in fact i believe in any faith you want just as long it doesn't dicatate your life. Religion can be a gift or a curse, depending how strong the influence is to it's members.
tgoodfella 2 years ago 3
"Religion" and "Cult" differ only in membership and longevity. That's it. Islam, Judaism and Christianity are cults as much as Scientology.
hairyreasoner 2 years ago 6
OpenComments 2 years ago
I 100% agree with it.
Your list quite accurately describes Islam, Judaism and Christianity.
hairyreasoner 2 years ago 2
I can guarantee you donations are voluntary in Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. But none of those three religions will ever force you to disconnect from a member of your family critical of your religion, nor will any member accompany you to a bank in order to make sure the church is paid. Staff members of Scientology earn $50/week , and whenever a Scientologist is sick or has an accident, Scientology blames that person.
Also, no other religion partakes in censorship like Scientology does.
OpenComments 2 years ago
Donations are voluntary in Islam? Muslim warlords don't exist? Islam makes no comment on, let's say, a girl trying to marry outside of it? You're right: it's not disconnect, it's "honour killing."
Christianity results in no alienation with the family? You've not heard of Jehovah's Witnesses, or Mormons? Or Roman Catholics?
You should broaden your disgust and your efforts.
As it is, you're full of shit and blinkered to what the actual problem is.
hairyreasoner 2 years ago
I guess it was only a matter of time before someone came along and lumped Scientology in with other religions, when in fact it is the most dangerous out of all of them due to the fact that Christians and Muslims cause death through their interpretation of their faith's doctrine, but in the case of Scientology, the Church of Scientology itself is the one causing harm. Big difference. I don't say that to excuse those faiths but rather to illustrate the difference.
Google Operation Freakout.
OpenComments 2 years ago
That depends on which sect of those religions you belong to.
dangerouslytalented 2 years ago
Yup dangerouslytalented, agreed. Any sect of Christianity or Islam that starts acting like the characteristics I stated below is what I perceive as a cult. I know to a good many of you it's all the same, but Scientology, mainly to its corrupt organization, is a cult.
A sect of Scientologists called the Freezoners (those who study Scientology outside of the church) are actually free from the CoS' corruption and are not necessarily a cult.
But for Scientology to engage in blackmail...cultlike.
OpenComments 2 years ago
Well, there certainly are fundamentalists of all those three religions that will demand disconnection from family members if they are not part of that specific religion or religious group.
fuhrerschein2008 2 years ago
Yep, they should all be called 'cults', or something similar.
Gorteenminogue 2 years ago 2
@kashphlinktu Thankfully you are not in charge. The difference between a religion and a cult is fundamentally that one is about authentic spiritual pursuit, one is merely a form of mind control. No doubt some religions have cult-like elements. Second - no religion would ever force people to do things they were uncomfortable with - and people would be free to leave at any time.
jamster8888 1 year ago
"Scientology is the only specific (cure) for radiation (atomic bomb) burns." - L. Ron Hubbard, ALL ABOUT RADIATION, p. 109
Scientology's founder was a paranoid and delusional man, as per that well-documented quote.
OpenComments 2 years ago 11
You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion. - L Ron Hubbard - 1948
DarkAngel182 2 years ago 7
I am moving back to New Port Richey area prolly in July or so. I'll be 10-15mil away from Clearwater. I knew there was a church down there never went to try and interview em. Good job though on this =)
xxdjsethxx 2 years ago
She's been a Scientologist since 1979? I heard somewhere that she isn't "clear" yet or may have only become "clear" until just recently. That's one helluva long time to not get what is essentially guaranteed by the "church".
tnavassac 2 years ago 2
I like "quote" marks, apparently.
tnavassac 2 years ago
Is anybody else having trouble loading the video?
funincluded 2 years ago
"i don't want to edit it"
admit it, that has nothing to do with journalistic integrity and everything to do with LAZY.
j/k keep up the good work!
anonynomnomnom 2 years ago
Amazing! A mature and even-tempered conversation between an atheist and somebody religious! I wish it could always be like this x3
legendofthemoon 2 years ago
WOW. She is the first "religious" person I have ever heard that actually knows the difference between morals and ethics. I haven't met a christian yet that knew the difference. That's fairly impressive.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago
Yes there is a difference between morals and ethics but that doesnt matter if you write your own rules about what is ethical. In scientology if your "statistics" are down then you are out ethics. this creates a hostile environment where those incapable of "producing" are punished and left behind.
Google disconnection in scientology
adsfgfdhgsgjsdfg 2 years ago 3
I never said I agree with scientology in any way. I just said that she was the first "religious" person I have ever heard that knew there was a difference. I got an A in my Medical Law and Ethics Class because I, one of only a few in an entire class, knew there was a difference. The professor even singled me out as a positive example because I was the one who first vocalized the point.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago
I didnt get the impression you agreed with scientology - sorry for the misunderstanding. I also agree with you that it is rare for someone to understand the difference.
adsfgfdhgsgjsdfg 2 years ago
Except for the problem that Pat's description of morality versus ethics is not accurate.
saliental 2 years ago
moral behavior and ethics are the same thing
funincluded 2 years ago
There is an overlap, but they are not exactly the same thing. For example, we talk of professional ethics (codes of conduct) but we do not talk of professional morality. Only one meaning of "morality" inheres ethics. Google it.
saliental 2 years ago
No, they're literally the same thing.
funincluded 2 years ago
Google it. They overlap, but they are not exactly the same in terms of usage. No point in continuing this. We disagree.
saliental 2 years ago
Ask an ethics professor about what they actually mean
In common usage, people tend to use morality to mean something personal and ethics to mean something more formal... but that's not really accurate
if you think colloquial or layman usage determines the 'real' meaning of the word, that's fine
funincluded 2 years ago
Where do you think I learned the difference? From a medical ethics professor.
I am not using a vernacular understanding of the difference. This might be where you are tripping up, though.
Some activities that are vetoed within the guidelines of professional ethics would not be considered immoral.
The language has two different words for overlapping concepts because there are two distinct applications.
saliental 2 years ago
Go into a church, ask the priest/minister what Christianity is about, they'll sit down with you, explain and show stuff from the Bible.
Go into a mosque, ask the imam what Islam is about, they'll sit down with you, explain and show stuff from the Quran.
Go into a synagogue, ask the Rabbi what Judaism is about, they'll sit down with you, explain and show stuff from the Torah.
Scientology? They'll sell you books and courses, and duck simple questions.
Scientology is much different.
xenu(.)net
OpenComments 2 years ago 5
Yep- it costs aboit 330, 000 dollars to find out about Xenu the evil galactic overlord and body thetans... that's alot of money for bad science fiction!
laserofjustice 2 years ago 7
And by the time you get up to the point to hear about that, your brain is so twisted and messed up you actually believe and accept it.
Proletariat12 2 years ago 2
They had to pay for that sorry excuse for a movie "Battlefield Earth."
klangsteiner 2 years ago
Morality and Ethics are basically the same (custom - habit). They just suffered a philosophical split up about 300 years ago with Kant and Hegel mainly; but, since then, people seems to confound each one of those in vernacular language [...] No matter if they do Scientology or they don't.
code933k 2 years ago
Congratulations on having the balls (ovaries) to do an interview like this and post it.
It's amazing how the scientologist actually talks like she thinks she's ok person.
region1111 2 years ago 6
"A certain type of person" - yeah, intelligent!
ArchRationalist 2 years ago 2
Everyone likes that word cult, but I think they're no more a cult than any other religion. There are plenty even more outrageous things done by bigger religions. How are alien spirits more outrageous than Jewish zombies?
alaskafido 2 years ago
every religion is a cult... dangerous cult
DarthHuru 2 years ago 10
"How are alien spirits more outrageous than Jewish zombies?"
You don't have to pay tens of thousands of dollars to read about the Jewish zombie... that's one difference.
jussts 2 years ago 13
other religions doing bad things DOES NOT excuse scientology from the same. It is only a justification.
adsfgfdhgsgjsdfg 2 years ago 4
The cult is mending its PR away from something which was once very self destructive and your work here is simply the evidence of it. They are in direct with competition for psychiatric health dollar, and they are not interested in you or anyone with critical thinking skills, and as far as I know your "find out for yourselves" suggestion isn't accepted as a successful treatment for any one suffering and vulnerable.
greennation 2 years ago
do you seriously think I know all that before I did this interview?
it might seem nice on the out side but I'm sure she thinks I'm an (SP) and I know she's full of (BS)....Subtlety...Ya know what I mean?
FactVsReligion 2 years ago 3
Spineless is a pathetic excuse. It's clitless. You brandish provoking imagery and resort to some harsh words with no oversight for the passer by on youtube, and yet you slip into a hijab and willingly preform genital mutilation on yourself for anyone with an appeal to the materialist in you. You've talked to someone who damn well knows there's no fucking 'bridge to total freedom' because they are still limited to some administrative position in a fucking cult, and it's you who's now pretending.
greennation 2 years ago
The same story as with all converts to various cults. No surprise here, really.
Akatam0t0ma 2 years ago 3
Since when is introversion a disease to be cured?
Yerzriknot 2 years ago 4
I should have known, in the very first part she brings out Hubbard's "ethics." A pretty term they use in place of "obedience."
AmpluexCompressa 2 years ago 5
I've only watched this first part, but isn't all this information (ie, the scientologist's view of themselves) already available on the web?
KevinSolway 2 years ago
2:45 -- lol I can imagine in her office there is someone "ok, now begin reading this script.." Also funny how she hasn't answered your initial question.
3:40 -- lol in other words: K.S.W. - keep scientology working.
7:20 -- how can she say that.. its not something u have to believe in.. wtf? rofl
pokerslut530 2 years ago
Holy HELL, you're gorgeous!
clicb4 2 years ago 13
Yep, i love her (L)
niniomigrania 2 years ago 2
She does have a rather nice face.
holydave 2 years ago 3
Ooooh I'll have fun tearing this apart!! I'll have to throw some quotes in from "Scientology Ethics" Looking forward to the rest!
13Heathens 2 years ago