I think I speak for most americans...let free enterprise work. If Chrysler, Ford, and GM fail, the competition will take up the slack. I know several people who work for Toyota and Subaru...guess what...they love their jobs, are treated fairly in compensation, and are not UAW members. This mess was solely made by the UAW and the car companies. Why do I or any other american have to bail them out. Let the free market system run its course and may the strong survive.
Will the union go on strike to get what they want, now, or will they sit, read People magazines while contractors come in and change the assembly lines and get paid to sabotage the contractors' work? They usually like to cut wires and such to keep from having to do their jobs. Also, threaten contractors that drive a foreign car.
I would love it if they go out and picket and the next thing they see is the execs leaving to go home and never come back because there is no job anymore period
Many gop Senators and people like them will next want our military to take pay cuts and lose there pensions. Next the police, fireman ect... shame shame on them. Soulless Evildoer fools. They are like sheep to the rich, foolish in thought and mind spineless jellyfish,is what they are.
MY QUESTION....90 percent of workers in the country dont see your wages and benefits...we are to bail you out ! ASK YOURSELF UAW worker this ...IF I DONT TAKE CONCESSIONS and the AUTO MAKERS go tits up...CAN I FIND A JOB WITH EVEN 1/3 of what im getting now ? PROBABLY NOT
HAHAHA. BUST the UAW. Useless fucks. I'm all for unions, but when you willingly protect scum and bargain at the expense of your country you will fail. I'm just sorry it took so darn long. Bush, Obama, do not help the B3 or the UAW. It's the only way our auto industry will survive. You bail them out and most of this Nation, like me, will never give a look at a Big 3, or UAW made product or service. Screw you UAW.
People need to support USA goods buy American made goods. Dont have the mind set of the 70s and 80s. That it cool,rebelish, to just not care and buy foriegn goods. Many of our polititians & media would have you believe this, they're in the back pockets of many foriegn companies And just like sheep many people follow them. Dont be a sheep help American workers out be Patriotic buy and look for USA goods in stores and on line We can not wait and be sheep to paid off polititains
They should have negotiated concessions before now. Too late now. The UAW was asked many times to assist in the survival of the "Big 3" auto-pigs. Their answer was kiss our ass. So now watch as the UAW turns to rubble. I guess their getting what they deserve. The UAW and the "Big 3" auto-pigs are soon to be remembered as just a sick joke. n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n... United ass-lazy non-workers are gone. Greed, greed, greed... you'd think they would have learned something these last few months.
The problem is we have bailed out the auto industry many times over. We need to eliminate the UAW which has been impossible. This is finally the ideal time to do it. America has a growing population that needs cars. We'll start new, non-union companies over time. These will pay lower wages with no bloated retirees to support. Sorry, the American way isn't to get a brainless cush job that pays $50,000 a year with full benefits. Sounds good, but not realistic any more.
Our loving congress made sure to bail out their rich Jew banker buddies on Wall Street so they didn't lose one cent, but when it comes to regular American workers they get shit on.
America is now a welfare nation living on borrowed money and borrowed time.
The gop senators These people are the same type of person that would buy blood diamonds like in the true story movie,Blood diamonds. Next thing they will want to outsourse our military for cheaper soldiers. People like them are the ones against farm aid of the past. They must also love foreign oil because it's cheaper, plus thinks its better to have foreiners working our oil rigs.Dont believe in fair trade as long as she or he can save buck, sell outs. Race to the bottom fools. Dont trust them.
The unions never helped me, in all the years I was a union member they took money out of my paycheck. What a rip-off. They did NOT help the auto industry. Union workers are ignorant not to see the light, IT IS OVER! I now go to bed each night praying these parasites go find another host!
GM has had a thousand second chances. They cannot and will not change. Give them this money and it will simply disappear...into foreign assembly plants most likely.
FOR THOSE THAT ARE CURIOUS; let me break it down to the lowest common denominator for you boys and girls. All that you need to remember in life is that every time a Republican gets in office: 1) a war will start (for whatever reason), and 2) The economy will turn to shit. Check your history before you crack your pie-hole. Sincerely, the one that brings reality to your noggin.
Man. Everytime you tell a Democrat you disagree with them, you're a Redneck. Everytime you tell a union worker they're spoiled and lazy, they say you're born with a silver spoon. The UAW is dead . . . sorry, end of story. More money and more money and more money and more money won't do anything to their bloated ways or the crappy cars that die at 120,000 miles.
It's notonly the UAW, it is those fucking executives and their corporate corruption. When and who's gonna stop 'em? They are even worse than the UAW workers. Fuck the corporate america executives
The UAW has offered to come back in a few years when the contract is uP
Hopefully the Big 3 will have gone belly up by then
BTW you must be a union leader because if you were the rank and file you would realize that the leaders only do whats best for the leadership of the union They dont give a fuck what you think
Congrats youve created another level of corrupt bureaucracy
I recently bought a Honda CRV. Made in America by Non-Union Workers. I work for a Fortune 500 company, make 6 figures and have no pension! Unions are greedy jerks. How many work past 60? none. . . they pour billions of dollars to support the Democrats all over the country for over a century and now they expect the Republicans to help them out? F-them!! Capitalism means failing if your costs exceed your revenue. Disgrace. What happend to apple pie, Mom and Chevy?
I feel like I am Michael J Fox in Back to the Future. Unions are dead, America is no longer a Mfg and we need to get rid of the UAW before their cancer spreads to the teachers of america and ruins what is left of them. We no longer wear poodle skirts, we no longer get good jobs without a college degree and Grover Cleveland is no longer president. My Mom said study hard, go to college and get a good job. Nobody will take care of you but yourself, especially the unions. Die Gittlefinger!
the UAW needs to die. its not surprising that the UAW is blaming the foreign auto manufacturers operating in right to hire and fire states. the funny thing is that i was actually waiting for them to say that.
whats next? are you going to blame the rest of the world for not being american.
People need to support USA goods buy American made goods. Dont have the mind set of the 70s and 80s. That it cool,rebelish, to just not care and buy foriegn goods. Many of our polititians & media would have you believe this, they're in the back pockets of many foriegn companies And just like sheep many people follow them. Dont be a sheep help American workers out be Patriotic buy and look for USA goods in stores and on line We can not wait and be sheep to paid off polititains
Does this communist think the American people will believe that the UAW is not at fault when the other auto competitors labor makes $20 per hour and GM, Ford make $70 per hour?
UAW labor should be making $20 per hour which is the competitive rate.
The labor of GM, Ford & Chrysler would be well advised to give Gettelfinger a kick in the rear out into the streets.
First off, if you were offered a job at what you THINK each autoworker makes then you would take it in a minute.
Second, the UAW is NOT responsible for the current crisis in the auto industry, management is. Blaming the UAW for the crisis is like blaming the cooks on the Titanic for the collision with the iceberg.
The UAW isn't completely responsible...but if you were in a hole and there was help offered with conditions, wouldn't you accept the conditions and have a job, or would you refuse (like the UAW did) and indefinitely lose yours and the people you represent (and those who are associated with the industries) jobs? I would pick B. It just seems like common sense, something corporations lack and we are now paying for. I guess it is the Republicans fault right?
It's the auto industry's own fault. Over the past thirty years through lay-offs, outsourcing to other countries, they have cut their work force by at least one third and maybe a lot more. While their original goal was to make profits and increase shareholder value, they rendered themselves inrelevant in a political sense. Less employees in America means less voters impacted.
To answer toyour questions, I wouldn't give back a damn thing. The UAW didn't cause this.
UAW workers make $74 per hour (wages + benefits + bonuses), compared with about $48 per hour (wages + benefits + bonuses) for the workers manufacturing foreign cars in the United States. We taxpayers should NOT subsidize the UAW workers $74 per hour total compensation!!!
TO ALL UAW WORKERS - DO WHAT OBAMA DID - start a website for donations against the republican faggot clowns that are trying to kill the US stock market by their union busting political stunt of opposing the US automake LOAN, not like the GIVEAWAY they gave wall street. THE REASON - they are in the pocket of foreign automakers because of their plants in their states. Send all donations to the oppposing candidate of MITCH MCCONNELL (R-KY), BOB CORKER (R-TN) and David Vitter (R-LA).
Are you serious with the comment homie? The UAW has handcuffed our major domestic auto makers with their outrageous benefits packages, retirement packages and overall unhealthy demands. Why should I have to pay tax money to bail out companies whose business model is antiquated whose employees are running it into the ground with unrealistic pay and benefits.
This notion of Republicans being in the pocket of foreign automakers is a bunch of rhetoric the Union has fed to its members and the American public as a brainwashing tactic. They did not vote for the bill because too American people do not want their tax money being used to appease UAW who only care about themselves and keeping their pockets and retirements in line as opposed to caring about the overall well-being of the industry.
The UAW is unwilling to compromise and become competitive so neither should us Americans who are giving up our hard earned money. For the record I am not a Republican and I was not for any bail out except the banks. That is only because banks are central to our economy and facilitate everything. Without them there would be a total economic collapse.
Once their pay is restructured, benefits are decreased, job banks ended and the companies begin making better business decisions then a bail out may occur.
Remember that this is a LOAN as opposed to the wall street GIVE-AWAY. Answer me this...why is it that Republicans preach a totally free market society for SOME industries (read that BANKING), but yet when the mid-west manufacturing base with organized labor asks for a LOAN, the Republicans, all of a sudden, want to legislate the internal business practices of an industry? I say give them a LOAN (to be repaid), or let them go bankkrupt. Those are true Republican ideals.
I can not speak for Republicans because I am not one but, I can answer the question as best as I personally see it.
The money that has been provided for the banking industry was not simply given to them. That money was used to purchased toxic debt and create working cash for banks so they can give short-term loans and keep the entire economy from collapsing.
That money will be valuable in the future because the government has basically purchased investment holdings in these banks in the form of mortgages. Remember real estate will always regain its value because it is a scarce investment. On top of that the government will be gaining interest on this investment which it can then leverage in the future for a myriad of other capital generating schemes.
As far as this being a loan for the car manufacturers. You are right this would be a loan. It would be a terrible loan. If you had a horrible business model for a small business and took it into a bank and asked for a loan. You would get denied. This is no different from that. It is just on a larger scale. Because of the UAW and bad management by Ford and GM their companies are basically bankrupt. In a few months we will be in the same position except tax payers will have lost money.
That is like throwing money away. Might I also mention that comparing the banking industry to the car manufacturing industry is not a fair comparison. Our economy can not even exist if the banks collapsed but, it can without Ford and GM. Yes it will cause a greater recession but, nothing compared to losing the banking industry. That is the backbone of the American economy.
Stop thinking with emotion and start using logic. Logic is neither Republican nor Democrat. It is beyond ideologies.
UAW! you haven't relized how hard this situation is. work hard. make better and efficient devices to make better cars at lower costs. you guys have been brainwashed such that US still thr best. now losing control you see. If we want to hold that position. think work hard. don't try to b ust selfish.
People need to support USA goods buy American made goods. Dont have the mind set of the 70s and 80s. That it cool,rebelish, to just not care and buy foriegn goods. Many of our polititians & media would have you believe this, they're in the back pockets of many foriegn companies And just like sheep many people follow them. Dont be a sheep help American workers out be Patriotic buy and look for USA goods in stores and on line We can not wait and be sheep to paid off polititains
Great point, Hurry!!!Hurry!!! buy those american cars so you can suppost those 7th grade drop out UAW workers who make over 55K a year! Hurry they need your help! Don't buy a japanese car that is better built or may last longer, Show me the Greennnnn, keep it rolling into GM.. Save the whales....
FUCK the uaw they are a bunch of greedy selfish mother fuckers who ought to lose there jobs and everything else,you motherfuckers making $70.00 an hour to just sit on there fat asses drink coffee and push buttons all day you retired old fossil mf's sitting on there old dried up asses getting $2500.00 a month in pension payments what the fuck is this bullshit support american workers my ass fuck um,they need a serious reality check.
Thank God Bush is out. And all the fools that backed him. America needs more Patroits and less traitors. Never again lets pray. Will America be that stupid to vote that type of President and Aministration in again.
Foreign buyers These people are the same type of person that would buy blood diamonds like in the true story movie,Blood diamonds. Next thing they will want to outsourse our military for cheaper soldiers. People like them are the ones against farm aid of the past. They must also love foreign oil because it's cheaper, plus thinks its better to have foreiners working our oil rigs.Dont believe in fair trade as long as she or he can save buck, sell outs. Race to the bottom fools. Dont trust them.
99% of the electronics on that GM car your so proud to drive were made in china, as well as the carpet, fuelpump, fuel lines, brake lines.. I would give GM your "sellout" speach
AMERICANS you did a fine job telling how important it is to buy American products from food to autos from USA companys who make and have higher standards fairer wages for USA workers and must comply with laws of our nation and be held responsible when they dont. Unlike many other nations selling goods in our country. Its time for all of our states to support one another. And not be traitors to some foriegn country lining their pockets and to cause people in the USA to live worst off with less
When you need a pace maker, make sure you tell the doctor you want the poor quality american made pace maker known to have problems and give out over the highly recommended japanese unit.
suspend the job bank program? how about never bringing it back! getting paid to do nothing?!?! the UAW are a bunch of babies. they are half the reason for this shit happening. Toyota, Honda, and BMW are all in non union states making huge profits. if the UAW was not so greedy the bailout would not be needed.
foreign automakers are not bound by the crazy labor contracts of the uaw that the big 3 are. plus, most foreign automaker plants are operating in right to hire and fire states. in the u.s. foreign plants are highly non-union and your average worker in these plants make $20-30 p/hr less because of that. unlike the big 3, foreign automakers are not forced to hire uaw labor. by contract the big 3 have no choice but to hire uaw labor which has been sucking them dry for over 30 years.
to hell with the UAW. they'er the reason the big 3 are crumbling. everthing was culminated by the UAW. everything from the lack of R&D money for the big 3 to develop future concepts, to the SUV product that rolled off the assembly line. the ONLY way the big 3 could turn a profit was to sell SUVs, they couldnt sell anything else with the UAW ball and chain on their leg. they're going to move to a right to hire and fire state. fuck michigan and stupid ass states like them.
When you make profits, you don't share it with the public. Why should we get the bill when you lose money? Screw the auto workers. They are the one's who caused this.
Let's face it! These greedy bastards killed their own livelihood. Outrageous wages, greedy,greedy,greedy!!!! Let'em fold. Close the doors and give these greedy workers what they deserve!Let them go work for one of the foreign car makers here in America. Threaten them with your stupid strikes. Maybe you can close them down too!
Can't wait for Honda,Nissan and Toyota to fill the vacuum when the big 3 go bankrupt. After my 99 dodge Durango blew it motor at 70k I was done with American cars.
you poor uninformed sole.....they wont make it in the U.S. if the others fall because "tricle down" will send us into the deepest depression anyone could imagine. But hey vote REP. and everything will be alright!
UAW is a joke and is as much at fault to what has happened to the auto industry. I know that if I lose my job I don't have a bench to sit on and collect 95 % of my salary. I have to go find a new job, now I have to use my tax dollars to bail the industry out no fn way. Bunch of over privileged over paid non skilled workers who have bleed the auto industry.
If it weren't for the UAW(Unions in general) then we would all have wages that rival China and Mexico.Go make a living off that you shitlick naysayers.
You sound like someone trying to be something your truly not, BRAINBOY(boy is probably true). HaHa. Your alt is probably Bigpenis. STFU, boy. If it's not true then why do the foreign carmakers based here in the US try to make their wages competitve with the US auto industry. I work for one so I know first hand.I support workers that were bound by a legal contract.
another impressive statement from gmunc71. UAW workers are usually fat and lazy, viewing your profile confirms at least 1/2 of this. At least you can play the guitar on street corners after they file banko
I work for one of the non-union foreign carmakers and I'm proud of it. I get above average pay from a stable job. If you actually paid attention to previous post then you would've realize this. I guess you can keep on posting to these if you want but I'm done replying. I'd probably starve if I had to play guitar for a living but at least I know who I truly am. Take care boy.
Your comments are very solid proof of your IQ level. You sir,have picked an original name on here. I think its a dream of yours to own one some day. Tell us all what you do for a living, humor us if you will!
USWAbrother, thats the kind of response I would expect from a 7th grade drop out car stamper. Which plant do you work at again so I can make sure I dont buy those cars.
I dont work at a vehicle manufacturing plant you simple minded idiot. If you were educated it wouldnt be that hard to figure out my occupation. You are the reason this country is divided, worthless member of community. Go crawl under a rock somewhere. Why dont you take you little mouthy ass up to the UAW office and tell them what you think you little online chicken shit.
brainsboy I think your wrong about USW. He sounds more like a 5th grader. He couldnt post something intelligent so he has to use swear words. USW is a total loser.
Nice to see you have a friend BRAINSBOY! Like I said let the UAW know your faces. Its America remember FREEDOM OF SPEECH, even for people who dont deserve it. Se what they say to you! Dont get on Youtube and act like some smartass be a man and do it with some contact..........never has told us what you do for a living?
Sure you have freedom of speech, but I have respect to others not use fowl language since this is a public place kids may come into. I guess thats why I'm a man and your a ... well we all know what you are.
If GM fails someone else will buy them out and its business as usuall it will not cause a depression despite what people like you keep trying to sell to the public. Im just glad others here can see your a fake
$78.00 per hour......the labor cost for building a vehicle is only 13% of the cost. Try looking at the CEO's that put us in the ditch and their compensation!!!
I'd always been in favor of bailing out the big three until today I learned that their laid-off workers are entitled to get paid for up to 95% of the salaries. This is so ridiculous and outrageous!!! No wonder they can't make good cars. What could happen to you if you're not doing a good job-- go home and get paid without working???? We ought to let the companies and UAW go bankruptcy, and they will finally face the reality!!! I'll never buy another American car to finance these workers.
But I should be taxed so that the UAW can get their retirement benefits, free dental, free medical, free eyeglasse, triple overtime,
free drug and alcohol counseling, and the worthless GM execs can award themselve another round of pay raises, perks, jets, golf club memberships, tropical vacations,
I hope the "average American" you speak of is more educated on the matter of economic survival. So its ok to give banks money so they can give it back to people who take loans. Then these banks lock the money where its not distributed. Thats ok with? I agree corp. greed is what is killing America. But these peoples lives count on there jobs.You made the choices to be employed where you are just the same as I. I am a proud UNION worker who didnt get a silver spoon life to live.
USW - You didnt have to tell us your a Union worker, we kind of guessed it by your lack of education and constant use of fowl language. like I said union workers are fat, lazy, uneducated scum bags, Thank God most people realize it too. BURRY THE UNIONS BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!!!!!!!!
Your pretty smart behind a computer you little chicken shit.Most like you are always behind a computer,because you wouldn't havthe gut to say this stuff in person to the thousands of "uneducated, fat lazy bastards" you so like to call them.ONCR AGAIN WHAT DO YOU DO FOR INCOME? I m guessing you dont even have a job MIATA BOY!
dont you have anything better to do? Like go cut up some worthless little fucking car. Nice work by the way, take a good balanced economical car and trash it into some kinda mad max junk. Nice welding by the way........LOL!
if you had the chance to go work there you wouldn't think twice. blow it out your as sses.....everything is a trade off. Not just sit and draw a check. China took our jobs and this is the result.
They make the fenders in the U.S. but they can not make any money on them (nor pay tax) and only if the workers could work for less maybe they could earn a little.
They make the seat covers and engines in Canada Mexico and Brazil but at a loss (no tax) and only if the workers could work for less maybe they could earn a litte. They do their accounting in the Camon Islands and that department makes a lot of money, only their is no tax in the Camon Islands. Only corporate jets and salaries.
I think I speak for most americans...let free enterprise work. If Chrysler, Ford, and GM fail, the competition will take up the slack. I know several people who work for Toyota and Subaru...guess what...they love their jobs, are treated fairly in compensation, and are not UAW members. This mess was solely made by the UAW and the car companies. Why do I or any other american have to bail them out. Let the free market system run its course and may the strong survive.
marceads 3 years ago
Will the union go on strike to get what they want, now, or will they sit, read People magazines while contractors come in and change the assembly lines and get paid to sabotage the contractors' work? They usually like to cut wires and such to keep from having to do their jobs. Also, threaten contractors that drive a foreign car.
Freddieboy44 3 years ago
I would love it if they go out and picket and the next thing they see is the execs leaving to go home and never come back because there is no job anymore period
hfl2005 3 years ago
Many gop Senators and people like them will next want our military to take pay cuts and lose there pensions. Next the police, fireman ect... shame shame on them. Soulless Evildoer fools. They are like sheep to the rich, foolish in thought and mind spineless jellyfish,is what they are.
bestwayusa1 3 years ago
Id rather give a public servant (except a teacher they have been doing just as shitty a job as the UAW) a raise than a UAW worker
UAW is a democrat organization they are the evil doers Get your head out of your ass and realize this mess is their fault
hfl2005 3 years ago
MY QUESTION....90 percent of workers in the country dont see your wages and benefits...we are to bail you out ! ASK YOURSELF UAW worker this ...IF I DONT TAKE CONCESSIONS and the AUTO MAKERS go tits up...CAN I FIND A JOB WITH EVEN 1/3 of what im getting now ? PROBABLY NOT
beachbums150 3 years ago
HAHAHA. BUST the UAW. Useless fucks. I'm all for unions, but when you willingly protect scum and bargain at the expense of your country you will fail. I'm just sorry it took so darn long. Bush, Obama, do not help the B3 or the UAW. It's the only way our auto industry will survive. You bail them out and most of this Nation, like me, will never give a look at a Big 3, or UAW made product or service. Screw you UAW.
informationj 3 years ago
People need to support USA goods buy American made goods. Dont have the mind set of the 70s and 80s. That it cool,rebelish, to just not care and buy foriegn goods. Many of our polititians & media would have you believe this, they're in the back pockets of many foriegn companies And just like sheep many people follow them. Dont be a sheep help American workers out be Patriotic buy and look for USA goods in stores and on line We can not wait and be sheep to paid off polititains
bestwayusa1 3 years ago
There is no reason to have the UAW/CAW anymore. Back in the 50' ok but not this day and age. Disban the Union!
Overpayed workers!
There are high skilled workers making half of what you are. There is no sill working on a line!
Now that you are losing your jobs you know how you make the rest of us feel!
Take a pay-cut today and you will have a job tomorrow.
finzgar420 3 years ago
They should have negotiated concessions before now. Too late now. The UAW was asked many times to assist in the survival of the "Big 3" auto-pigs. Their answer was kiss our ass. So now watch as the UAW turns to rubble. I guess their getting what they deserve. The UAW and the "Big 3" auto-pigs are soon to be remembered as just a sick joke. n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n... United ass-lazy non-workers are gone. Greed, greed, greed... you'd think they would have learned something these last few months.
pig5689 3 years ago
The problem is we have bailed out the auto industry many times over. We need to eliminate the UAW which has been impossible. This is finally the ideal time to do it. America has a growing population that needs cars. We'll start new, non-union companies over time. These will pay lower wages with no bloated retirees to support. Sorry, the American way isn't to get a brainless cush job that pays $50,000 a year with full benefits. Sounds good, but not realistic any more.
bdlewis1 3 years ago
bdlewis: perfectly said brother - Fire those scum bag unions
brainsboy 3 years ago
Our loving congress made sure to bail out their rich Jew banker buddies on Wall Street so they didn't lose one cent, but when it comes to regular American workers they get shit on.
America is now a welfare nation living on borrowed money and borrowed time.
RayAir1 3 years ago
The gop senators These people are the same type of person that would buy blood diamonds like in the true story movie,Blood diamonds. Next thing they will want to outsourse our military for cheaper soldiers. People like them are the ones against farm aid of the past. They must also love foreign oil because it's cheaper, plus thinks its better to have foreiners working our oil rigs.Dont believe in fair trade as long as she or he can save buck, sell outs. Race to the bottom fools. Dont trust them.
bestwayusa1 3 years ago
The unions never helped me, in all the years I was a union member they took money out of my paycheck. What a rip-off. They did NOT help the auto industry. Union workers are ignorant not to see the light, IT IS OVER! I now go to bed each night praying these parasites go find another host!
AmericanMale1953 3 years ago
GM has had a thousand second chances. They cannot and will not change. Give them this money and it will simply disappear...into foreign assembly plants most likely.
ehunter2 3 years ago
FOR THOSE THAT ARE CURIOUS; let me break it down to the lowest common denominator for you boys and girls. All that you need to remember in life is that every time a Republican gets in office: 1) a war will start (for whatever reason), and 2) The economy will turn to shit. Check your history before you crack your pie-hole. Sincerely, the one that brings reality to your noggin.
hydrojerk 3 years ago
Man. Everytime you tell a Democrat you disagree with them, you're a Redneck. Everytime you tell a union worker they're spoiled and lazy, they say you're born with a silver spoon. The UAW is dead . . . sorry, end of story. More money and more money and more money and more money won't do anything to their bloated ways or the crappy cars that die at 120,000 miles.
bdlewis1 3 years ago
It's notonly the UAW, it is those fucking executives and their corporate corruption. When and who's gonna stop 'em? They are even worse than the UAW workers. Fuck the corporate america executives
rmanrod 3 years ago
The executives have offered to work for free
The UAW has offered to come back in a few years when the contract is uP
Hopefully the Big 3 will have gone belly up by then
BTW you must be a union leader because if you were the rank and file you would realize that the leaders only do whats best for the leadership of the union They dont give a fuck what you think
Congrats youve created another level of corrupt bureaucracy
hfl2005 3 years ago
I recently bought a Honda CRV. Made in America by Non-Union Workers. I work for a Fortune 500 company, make 6 figures and have no pension! Unions are greedy jerks. How many work past 60? none. . . they pour billions of dollars to support the Democrats all over the country for over a century and now they expect the Republicans to help them out? F-them!! Capitalism means failing if your costs exceed your revenue. Disgrace. What happend to apple pie, Mom and Chevy?
bdlewis1 3 years ago 2
I feel like I am Michael J Fox in Back to the Future. Unions are dead, America is no longer a Mfg and we need to get rid of the UAW before their cancer spreads to the teachers of america and ruins what is left of them. We no longer wear poodle skirts, we no longer get good jobs without a college degree and Grover Cleveland is no longer president. My Mom said study hard, go to college and get a good job. Nobody will take care of you but yourself, especially the unions. Die Gittlefinger!
bdlewis1 3 years ago 2
the UAW needs to die. its not surprising that the UAW is blaming the foreign auto manufacturers operating in right to hire and fire states. the funny thing is that i was actually waiting for them to say that.
whats next? are you going to blame the rest of the world for not being american.
vteclobe 3 years ago
Brainsboy its hard to debate with a man that cant even stay on topic. Dont waste your time debating with USW. By the way cool V12 miata.
Chadhunter111 3 years ago
I wonder if in a year or so the UAW will just be a bad memory and a cautionary tale. =(
gmscott 3 years ago
Gettelfinger's assinine statements only proves that HE is the one who's INSANE, a real looney bird.
This red communist will take the wage cut to become competitive or else there will be no GM, Ford or Chrysler.
You build garbage autos.
You discriminate against white Americans.
Your are worthless trash.
The UAW is 90% responsible for the auto industry's crisis.
Why the workers follow this idiot one can only surmise. Perhaps they are communists!
njattack 3 years ago
People need to support USA goods buy American made goods. Dont have the mind set of the 70s and 80s. That it cool,rebelish, to just not care and buy foriegn goods. Many of our polititians & media would have you believe this, they're in the back pockets of many foriegn companies And just like sheep many people follow them. Dont be a sheep help American workers out be Patriotic buy and look for USA goods in stores and on line We can not wait and be sheep to paid off polititains
bestwayusa1 3 years ago
Gettelfinger is a LIAR!
Does this communist think the American people will believe that the UAW is not at fault when the other auto competitors labor makes $20 per hour and GM, Ford make $70 per hour?
UAW labor should be making $20 per hour which is the competitive rate.
The labor of GM, Ford & Chrysler would be well advised to give Gettelfinger a kick in the rear out into the streets.
njattack 3 years ago 2
First off, if you were offered a job at what you THINK each autoworker makes then you would take it in a minute.
Second, the UAW is NOT responsible for the current crisis in the auto industry, management is. Blaming the UAW for the crisis is like blaming the cooks on the Titanic for the collision with the iceberg.
airdriver 3 years ago
The UAW isn't completely responsible...but if you were in a hole and there was help offered with conditions, wouldn't you accept the conditions and have a job, or would you refuse (like the UAW did) and indefinitely lose yours and the people you represent (and those who are associated with the industries) jobs? I would pick B. It just seems like common sense, something corporations lack and we are now paying for. I guess it is the Republicans fault right?
lluedeman 3 years ago
It's the auto industry's own fault. Over the past thirty years through lay-offs, outsourcing to other countries, they have cut their work force by at least one third and maybe a lot more. While their original goal was to make profits and increase shareholder value, they rendered themselves inrelevant in a political sense. Less employees in America means less voters impacted.
To answer toyour questions, I wouldn't give back a damn thing. The UAW didn't cause this.
airdriver 3 years ago
UAW workers make $74 per hour (wages + benefits + bonuses), compared with about $48 per hour (wages + benefits + bonuses) for the workers manufacturing foreign cars in the United States. We taxpayers should NOT subsidize the UAW workers $74 per hour total compensation!!!
TranCendenZ 3 years ago
TO ALL UAW WORKERS - DO WHAT OBAMA DID - start a website for donations against the republican faggot clowns that are trying to kill the US stock market by their union busting political stunt of opposing the US automake LOAN, not like the GIVEAWAY they gave wall street. THE REASON - they are in the pocket of foreign automakers because of their plants in their states. Send all donations to the oppposing candidate of MITCH MCCONNELL (R-KY), BOB CORKER (R-TN) and David Vitter (R-LA).
hydrojerk 3 years ago
Are you serious with the comment homie? The UAW has handcuffed our major domestic auto makers with their outrageous benefits packages, retirement packages and overall unhealthy demands. Why should I have to pay tax money to bail out companies whose business model is antiquated whose employees are running it into the ground with unrealistic pay and benefits.
daytradernupe 3 years ago 3
This notion of Republicans being in the pocket of foreign automakers is a bunch of rhetoric the Union has fed to its members and the American public as a brainwashing tactic. They did not vote for the bill because too American people do not want their tax money being used to appease UAW who only care about themselves and keeping their pockets and retirements in line as opposed to caring about the overall well-being of the industry.
daytradernupe 3 years ago 2
The UAW is unwilling to compromise and become competitive so neither should us Americans who are giving up our hard earned money. For the record I am not a Republican and I was not for any bail out except the banks. That is only because banks are central to our economy and facilitate everything. Without them there would be a total economic collapse.
daytradernupe 3 years ago 2
Once their pay is restructured, benefits are decreased, job banks ended and the companies begin making better business decisions then a bail out may occur.
daytradernupe 3 years ago 2
TO DAYTRADERNUPE:
Remember that this is a LOAN as opposed to the wall street GIVE-AWAY. Answer me this...why is it that Republicans preach a totally free market society for SOME industries (read that BANKING), but yet when the mid-west manufacturing base with organized labor asks for a LOAN, the Republicans, all of a sudden, want to legislate the internal business practices of an industry? I say give them a LOAN (to be repaid), or let them go bankkrupt. Those are true Republican ideals.
hydrojerk 3 years ago
I can not speak for Republicans because I am not one but, I can answer the question as best as I personally see it.
The money that has been provided for the banking industry was not simply given to them. That money was used to purchased toxic debt and create working cash for banks so they can give short-term loans and keep the entire economy from collapsing.
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daytradernupe 3 years ago
That money will be valuable in the future because the government has basically purchased investment holdings in these banks in the form of mortgages. Remember real estate will always regain its value because it is a scarce investment. On top of that the government will be gaining interest on this investment which it can then leverage in the future for a myriad of other capital generating schemes.
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daytradernupe 3 years ago
As far as this being a loan for the car manufacturers. You are right this would be a loan. It would be a terrible loan. If you had a horrible business model for a small business and took it into a bank and asked for a loan. You would get denied. This is no different from that. It is just on a larger scale. Because of the UAW and bad management by Ford and GM their companies are basically bankrupt. In a few months we will be in the same position except tax payers will have lost money.
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daytradernupe 3 years ago
That is like throwing money away. Might I also mention that comparing the banking industry to the car manufacturing industry is not a fair comparison. Our economy can not even exist if the banks collapsed but, it can without Ford and GM. Yes it will cause a greater recession but, nothing compared to losing the banking industry. That is the backbone of the American economy.
Stop thinking with emotion and start using logic. Logic is neither Republican nor Democrat. It is beyond ideologies.
daytradernupe 3 years ago
UAW = you are worthless
wingman2560 3 years ago
UAW! you haven't relized how hard this situation is. work hard. make better and efficient devices to make better cars at lower costs. you guys have been brainwashed such that US still thr best. now losing control you see. If we want to hold that position. think work hard. don't try to b ust selfish.
hedd1111 3 years ago
no brain. no deserve to make more money
hedd1111 3 years ago
china holds the biggest number of us bonds. that is threat to us. I don't buy if says made in chin..at walmart or whatever. I buy only us or canada.
hedd1111 3 years ago
UAW!!!! Those malicious chinese are trying to buy out your companies. BIG3!!!! Be aware . selfish dogs. UAW!!! Think hard!!!!
hedd1111 3 years ago
Bust the unions..that's the answer
wingman2560 3 years ago
People need to support USA goods buy American made goods. Dont have the mind set of the 70s and 80s. That it cool,rebelish, to just not care and buy foriegn goods. Many of our polititians & media would have you believe this, they're in the back pockets of many foriegn companies And just like sheep many people follow them. Dont be a sheep help American workers out be Patriotic buy and look for USA goods in stores and on line We can not wait and be sheep to paid off polititains
bestwayusa1 3 years ago
Great point, Hurry!!!Hurry!!! buy those american cars so you can suppost those 7th grade drop out UAW workers who make over 55K a year! Hurry they need your help! Don't buy a japanese car that is better built or may last longer, Show me the Greennnnn, keep it rolling into GM.. Save the whales....
brainsboy 3 years ago
FUCK the uaw they are a bunch of greedy selfish mother fuckers who ought to lose there jobs and everything else,you motherfuckers making $70.00 an hour to just sit on there fat asses drink coffee and push buttons all day you retired old fossil mf's sitting on there old dried up asses getting $2500.00 a month in pension payments what the fuck is this bullshit support american workers my ass fuck um,they need a serious reality check.
OUTOFGAS88 3 years ago
Thank God Bush is out. And all the fools that backed him. America needs more Patroits and less traitors. Never again lets pray. Will America be that stupid to vote that type of President and Aministration in again.
bestwayusa1 3 years ago
The UAW are a bunch of greedy bitches.
HemiHalo 3 years ago
Foreign buyers These people are the same type of person that would buy blood diamonds like in the true story movie,Blood diamonds. Next thing they will want to outsourse our military for cheaper soldiers. People like them are the ones against farm aid of the past. They must also love foreign oil because it's cheaper, plus thinks its better to have foreiners working our oil rigs.Dont believe in fair trade as long as she or he can save buck, sell outs. Race to the bottom fools. Dont trust them.
bestwayusa1 3 years ago
Want to hear something besywayusa?
99% of the electronics on that GM car your so proud to drive were made in china, as well as the carpet, fuelpump, fuel lines, brake lines.. I would give GM your "sellout" speach
brainsboy 3 years ago
That UAW Jobs Banks is a sweet deal. Imagine getting laid off for years on end with 95% pay and full benefits!! Wow!!
ibimw 3 years ago
No wonder the UAW workers want the bailout. If GM doesnt get the bailout look at all those Fat lazy pigs that will have to go back to work
brainsboy 3 years ago
AMERICANS you did a fine job telling how important it is to buy American products from food to autos from USA companys who make and have higher standards fairer wages for USA workers and must comply with laws of our nation and be held responsible when they dont. Unlike many other nations selling goods in our country. Its time for all of our states to support one another. And not be traitors to some foriegn country lining their pockets and to cause people in the USA to live worst off with less
bestwayusa1 3 years ago
When you need a pace maker, make sure you tell the doctor you want the poor quality american made pace maker known to have problems and give out over the highly recommended japanese unit.
brainsboy 3 years ago
I will NEVER buy anything made buy the uaw this is all of their fault things are VERY good in the south God bless the USA!
giddeeuup89 3 years ago
suspend the job bank program? how about never bringing it back! getting paid to do nothing?!?! the UAW are a bunch of babies. they are half the reason for this shit happening. Toyota, Honda, and BMW are all in non union states making huge profits. if the UAW was not so greedy the bailout would not be needed.
swampfoxx81 3 years ago 2
gmunc71...
foreign automakers are not bound by the crazy labor contracts of the uaw that the big 3 are. plus, most foreign automaker plants are operating in right to hire and fire states. in the u.s. foreign plants are highly non-union and your average worker in these plants make $20-30 p/hr less because of that. unlike the big 3, foreign automakers are not forced to hire uaw labor. by contract the big 3 have no choice but to hire uaw labor which has been sucking them dry for over 30 years.
vteclobe 3 years ago
gmunc - Im impressed with your vulgar language, maybe now you can understand why americans would rather buy a car made by a mexican than you.
brainsboy 3 years ago
to hell with the UAW. they'er the reason the big 3 are crumbling. everthing was culminated by the UAW. everything from the lack of R&D money for the big 3 to develop future concepts, to the SUV product that rolled off the assembly line. the ONLY way the big 3 could turn a profit was to sell SUVs, they couldnt sell anything else with the UAW ball and chain on their leg. they're going to move to a right to hire and fire state. fuck michigan and stupid ass states like them.
vteclobe 3 years ago 2
When you make profits, you don't share it with the public. Why should we get the bill when you lose money? Screw the auto workers. They are the one's who caused this.
buddybleau 3 years ago 2
Let's face it! These greedy bastards killed their own livelihood. Outrageous wages, greedy,greedy,greedy!!!! Let'em fold. Close the doors and give these greedy workers what they deserve!Let them go work for one of the foreign car makers here in America. Threaten them with your stupid strikes. Maybe you can close them down too!
buddybleau 3 years ago 2
Hate the BAILout!!!
musicmoney21 3 years ago
Can't wait for Honda,Nissan and Toyota to fill the vacuum when the big 3 go bankrupt. After my 99 dodge Durango blew it motor at 70k I was done with American cars.
lds545i 3 years ago
you poor uninformed sole.....they wont make it in the U.S. if the others fall because "tricle down" will send us into the deepest depression anyone could imagine. But hey vote REP. and everything will be alright!
USWAbrother 3 years ago
UAW is a joke and is as much at fault to what has happened to the auto industry. I know that if I lose my job I don't have a bench to sit on and collect 95 % of my salary. I have to go find a new job, now I have to use my tax dollars to bail the industry out no fn way. Bunch of over privileged over paid non skilled workers who have bleed the auto industry.
lds545i 3 years ago
If it weren't for the UAW(Unions in general) then we would all have wages that rival China and Mexico.Go make a living off that you shitlick naysayers.
gmunc71 3 years ago
Don't blame the worker. Blame the dumbasses running the big 3.
gmunc71 3 years ago
gmunc71 your an idiot. you sound like one of the 6th grade drop out scum bag leaching UAW workers in Michigan.
brainsboy 3 years ago
You sound like someone trying to be something your truly not, BRAINBOY(boy is probably true). HaHa. Your alt is probably Bigpenis. STFU, boy. If it's not true then why do the foreign carmakers based here in the US try to make their wages competitve with the US auto industry. I work for one so I know first hand.I support workers that were bound by a legal contract.
gmunc71 3 years ago
I don't support the Big 3,UAW or the bailout.(that includes the WallStreet Brainboy bailout)
gmunc71 3 years ago
gmunc, like I said your a tyical 6th grade drop out UAW worker, your opinion doesnt matter here
brainsboy 3 years ago
brainsBOY, go adjust you carb on your miata and pretend to be a UAW worker with a 4th grade education.
gmunc71 3 years ago 3
another impressive statement from gmunc71. UAW workers are usually fat and lazy, viewing your profile confirms at least 1/2 of this. At least you can play the guitar on street corners after they file banko
brainsboy 3 years ago
I work for one of the non-union foreign carmakers and I'm proud of it. I get above average pay from a stable job. If you actually paid attention to previous post then you would've realize this. I guess you can keep on posting to these if you want but I'm done replying. I'd probably starve if I had to play guitar for a living but at least I know who I truly am. Take care boy.
gmunc71 3 years ago 2
I would guess this out of your pea-brain dumbass.
USWAbrother 3 years ago
LOL....Miata...........V12 wonder where this punk stole the motor from?
USWAbrother 3 years ago
gmunc71.........looks like all the dipshit looser KIDs are on here! We cannot argue with idiots on here, we are greatly outnumbered.
USWAbrother 3 years ago
Your comments are very solid proof of your IQ level. You sir,have picked an original name on here. I think its a dream of yours to own one some day. Tell us all what you do for a living, humor us if you will!
USWAbrother 3 years ago
USWAbrother, thats the kind of response I would expect from a 7th grade drop out car stamper. Which plant do you work at again so I can make sure I dont buy those cars.
brainsboy 3 years ago
I dont work at a vehicle manufacturing plant you simple minded idiot. If you were educated it wouldnt be that hard to figure out my occupation. You are the reason this country is divided, worthless member of community. Go crawl under a rock somewhere. Why dont you take you little mouthy ass up to the UAW office and tell them what you think you little online chicken shit.
USWAbrother 3 years ago
brainsboy I think your wrong about USW. He sounds more like a 5th grader. He couldnt post something intelligent so he has to use swear words. USW is a total loser.
Chadhunter111 3 years ago
No big deal chad, everyone knows youtube has a few neanderthals on it
brainsboy 3 years ago
Nice to see you have a friend BRAINSBOY! Like I said let the UAW know your faces. Its America remember FREEDOM OF SPEECH, even for people who dont deserve it. Se what they say to you! Dont get on Youtube and act like some smartass be a man and do it with some contact..........never has told us what you do for a living?
USWAbrother 3 years ago
Sure you have freedom of speech, but I have respect to others not use fowl language since this is a public place kids may come into. I guess thats why I'm a man and your a ... well we all know what you are.
If GM fails someone else will buy them out and its business as usuall it will not cause a depression despite what people like you keep trying to sell to the public. Im just glad others here can see your a fake
brainsboy 3 years ago
$78.00 per hour......the labor cost for building a vehicle is only 13% of the cost. Try looking at the CEO's that put us in the ditch and their compensation!!!
markster412 3 years ago
The UAW has been out of control for years. Getting paid for sitting on their rear ends at home? Give me a break.
It's too late to renegotiate anything. You're lazy and your products are over-priced and substandard. bye, bye UAW.
CastorT64 3 years ago 3
I'd always been in favor of bailing out the big three until today I learned that their laid-off workers are entitled to get paid for up to 95% of the salaries. This is so ridiculous and outrageous!!! No wonder they can't make good cars. What could happen to you if you're not doing a good job-- go home and get paid without working???? We ought to let the companies and UAW go bankruptcy, and they will finally face the reality!!! I'll never buy another American car to finance these workers.
gevalian 3 years ago
let them go bankrupt?............Great idea hope it affects you and yours sooner than later. Trust me it will!
USWAbrother 3 years ago
Or lets let 14 billion go down a rat hole..trust me nothing at GM will change EVER
they have been making the same mistakes now for 5 decades. Its time for them to GO.
ehunter2 3 years ago
Hope you get some trickle down economics also!
USWAbrother 3 years ago
Here is how the average American looks at this
I have no health insurance and no retirement.
But I should be taxed so that the UAW can get their retirement benefits, free dental, free medical, free eyeglasse, triple overtime,
free drug and alcohol counseling, and the worthless GM execs can award themselve another round of pay raises, perks, jets, golf club memberships, tropical vacations,
golden parachutes, etc etc etc...
ehunter2 3 years ago
I hope the "average American" you speak of is more educated on the matter of economic survival. So its ok to give banks money so they can give it back to people who take loans. Then these banks lock the money where its not distributed. Thats ok with? I agree corp. greed is what is killing America. But these peoples lives count on there jobs.You made the choices to be employed where you are just the same as I. I am a proud UNION worker who didnt get a silver spoon life to live.
USWAbrother 3 years ago
USW - You didnt have to tell us your a Union worker, we kind of guessed it by your lack of education and constant use of fowl language. like I said union workers are fat, lazy, uneducated scum bags, Thank God most people realize it too. BURRY THE UNIONS BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!!!!!!!!
brainsboy 3 years ago
Your pretty smart behind a computer you little chicken shit.Most like you are always behind a computer,because you wouldn't havthe gut to say this stuff in person to the thousands of "uneducated, fat lazy bastards" you so like to call them.ONCR AGAIN WHAT DO YOU DO FOR INCOME? I m guessing you dont even have a job MIATA BOY!
USWAbrother 3 years ago
Let those union scum bags idiots stop complaining they dont make enough and start complaining they dont have a job!!!!!!!!!!
NO BAILOUT UNTIL UNIONS OUT!!!!!!!!!!!
brainsboy 3 years ago
You are a fucking idiot..........last post.
USWAbrother 3 years ago
What's the matter bud, you jealous cause you make $7/hr with no benefits?
RayAir1 3 years ago
USWAloser
Thought you said you were not posting again.
Oh another scum bag union liar, why arent we all surprised
brainsboy 3 years ago
Yeah I agree finzgar, just no reason for those union idiots into todays world, hope they all lose their jobs and homes. Let the unions DIE!!!!!!
brainsboy 3 years ago
It's simple VOTE NO on the bailout
Kill the unions before the unions kill america
brainsboy 3 years ago
dont you have anything better to do? Like go cut up some worthless little fucking car. Nice work by the way, take a good balanced economical car and trash it into some kinda mad max junk. Nice welding by the way........LOL!
USWAbrother 3 years ago
what about those greedy mother fuckers executives? who's gonna stop'em? they're killing America with their corporate corruption
rmanrod 3 years ago
Are you refering to the mortgage crisis?
The ones the republicans tried to stop in 2006 but were rebuffed by the democrats as can be seen in this video?
watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
BTW arent scum unions always backing democrats? You reap what you sew See you on the unemployment line union scum
hfl2005 3 years ago
enough doggin' the unions. what about those top executives who give each other raises while companies cumble down? btw, I'm republican....
rmanrod 3 years ago
if you had the chance to go work there you wouldn't think twice. blow it out your as sses.....everything is a trade off. Not just sit and draw a check. China took our jobs and this is the result.
jdpowl 3 years ago
job banks??? they pay people for being laid off? ... losers, they all deserve to lose their jobs
jedijoe5012 3 years ago 5
They make the fenders in the U.S. but they can not make any money on them (nor pay tax) and only if the workers could work for less maybe they could earn a little.
They make the seat covers and engines in Canada Mexico and Brazil but at a loss (no tax) and only if the workers could work for less maybe they could earn a litte. They do their accounting in the Camon Islands and that department makes a lot of money, only their is no tax in the Camon Islands. Only corporate jets and salaries.
44MONTEREY 3 years ago
HAHAHAH The Gravy train is coming to an end scumbags
Killerbee80 3 years ago 5
Scumbags??? You probably would not last a day on the assembly line or are you just jealous of one of your neighbors?
markster412 3 years ago
Oh what, vacuuming a car for 78 dollars an hour.
ZoomBFX 3 years ago 3
UAW is part of the problem
ZoomBFX 3 years ago