over the body and controls its, FORCING it to do things like murder, the line " mary wanted to do it" implys that nothing forced her or made her do it, it was marys choice, these are my thoughts srry it was so long lol
Gordon snap, this is when "simon" introduces himself saying "hello gordon", mental health issues usually develops in those who cant cope with life etc or " the weak" or those who are emotionally or physically in pain " the wounded" which is where simon says he resides, ore evidence for this is when simon is talking about mary killing her family, if you watch the film he mentions that "mary wanted to do it".. that to me is strange, in most possession films, its like a take over, the demon takes
To me this isnt a demon film, nor is it intended as one,"simon" isnt real he does not exist, he isnt a spirit or anything, he is insanity personified, evidence for this is when we look at mental health, its a gradual thing, years of stress build up, traumatizing times in your life etc, these all build up until eventually, snap, thats when simon "introduces himself", when mary fell on her doll, that was what pushed her over the edge, the stress of getting this job down and his new baby made.
Just finished this. Pretty awesome. Simon who fucked with Mary back in the day is the same demon fucking with Gordan in the present. I like the parallel of what that dudes listening to on the tapes from back when is happening to them now. Nice flick!!
mary had multiple personalities but only 2. Simon was an evil entity but the doc thought it was just another pesonality. Very cool movie. Very creepy. This movie makes you use your mind. Not just try to scare you with sudden loud noise.
the most tense movie i have ever seen. its greatest strength is also for some its greatest weakness. nothing happens for long stretches of the movie. but images of deserted rooms and hallways are pretty creepy.
simon is a demon.......and they were weak, and he visited the asylum remember? before he started to work and thats when he first heard simon say....HI GORDON upstairs by the chair. demons attack weak vulnerable ppl
@MrSw3rls i am pretty positive they chose the name Simon ins referrence to Simon Says. Whatever simon is, he is the voice that is telling the weak what to do. and they comply.
considering this film is about a former insane asylum, simon is most likely insanity itself (gordon was extremely stressed out about his family and the job itself, therefore he was weak). simon is the voice in your head that is telling you to carry out insane actions while you are weak (possibly overly stressed) or wounded (remember that mary was wounded and gordon was weak). it may not be exactly correct but i believe this idea makes sense.
This film was incredibly powerful. Simon is a demon that repeats a cycle. When Gordon looked at the chair of Mary where it dwelled, it entered him. It's one of the key scenes. "Hello Gordon".
It is very dehumanizing to say "weak/wounded" = "insane" = "psychotic killer".
I find it very hard to believe that Brad Anderson is saying that all insane persons are psychopathic killers and that "Simon" is a personification of the psyche of all insane persons.
I mean....c'mon. That would be a terrible, and terribly mistaken, point of view.
It was "possession" because Simon isn't presented as a personification, but rather as a "person". A persons who are "weak" and "wounded" aren't necessarily "insane" nor "possessed". And persons who are "insane" aren't necessarily killers. In fact, most are not. "Simon" isn't identical to "insanity" because he says "I live in the weak and the wounded". And in the closing shot, the idea being conveyed is that "Simon", qua person, is still around....waiting for his next victim. Creepy.
One of the best films I have ever seen, a truly under your skin creepy movie. I don't like the alternate ending as much as the original and Simon's voice doesn't sound as creepy as it does in the original either, but thanks for posting!
this is an amazing movie. but its one that you need to pay close attention too. the ending fucked with me, i had to watch it like a million times til i could finally grasp it. & i like how everyone commented on their opions of simon!
i think "simon" is like a state of mind that manifest in the mentally unstable. and this "simon" state makes one do and say things that one wouldnt normally do if they werent "weark or wounded" (mentally or physically) and THAT is the corralation between mary in the tapes and gordon. mary killed her family because she fell on a china doll and gordon did cuz boiling water spilt on him.
What makes it highly unlikely that "Simon" is merely a manifestation of id is the consistency of the voice between Gordon and Mary. Firstly, a woman could not produce the voice heard on the tape, and second, Gordon hears the same voice near the beginning of the film, without having heard the tapes. I believe the film's intention is that "simon" is either a demon of malignant spirit.
It was a relatively low budget film. Don't get me wrong, I love the camera effects and the way this film was shot. But you can't deny that this movie had a sorta cheap look to it.
And no, Peter Mullen did a fantastic job in his role. But David Caruso successfully ruins everything he is in. He can't go two seconds without delivering a CSI line.
I agree with you, this may have been a low budget film but it was beautifully shot and the acting was very good. I also like Caruso in this movie. It is a shame that the asylum was actually torn down a few years back.
I thought the movie was okay. It had tons of promise with the story and the acting, but it fell short tying the plot together. I do like the ending though. It is creepy when the music is playing and you see the dead men behind the platic sheets. That really got me. It really showed the twisted side to murder. And "I live in the weak and the wonded, doc." That was super chilling. :)
I thought demons were advocates of social darwinism. Odd that they'd favor the weak and the wounded. Or maybe they don't favor them so much as they prey on them. And they prey on them by taken them over and making them do horrible things against their will.
Definitely my all time favorite horror film. The movie is very complex and deep. Everyone has that "simmon" subconscious that can potentially take over after a very traumatic experience. This film really makes you think about what people are capable of and the impact of your subconscious state of mind.
this is the greatest scary movie i have ever seen. i have seen them all. a horror movie has not had this much of an impact on me in YEARS. this movie permanently F'd my head up. i couldn't sleep last night (and no movie has ever done that to me before). DOES ANYONE know any other really good psychological horror films? (besides se7en, i didn't really like that movie anyway)
I agree this is one is in my top ten. I could watch it again and again. I have seen a lot of horror movies, another one that got to me on this level is a movie called "Eyes of Fire" I think there is still a short clip of it on YouTube.
So, Simon killed his wife and his baby because of the spilled water? Nice shots of the star of the movie, the beautiful Danvers, which was reduced to rubble and only the administration building still stands, a high end apartment complex. I understand that ghosts from the past haunt the old building. Danvers still haunts us, especially in the DVD which shows the beauty of this fabulous old reminder of the cruelty of mental illness.
The Ghost element is a red herring, it's there to make you think a ghost is responsible for Hanks disappearance, the twist is that it is Gordon.
Gordon never talks to simon, he never even acknowledges him,Simon is like a narrator,a symbolic voice of madness.
Gordons own madness is manifest as imaginary conversations with Phil "wake up Gordon" as well as his wife (look when he is on the phone after he hits his wife, his phone is smashed up, he is talking to himself).
I can't believe they made a film about a guy turning psychotic because he got boiling pasta water spilt on his leg by his wife? Get. Over. It. It's a burnt leg, no reason to kill you family and work mates! Crazy.
It was a trigger to his "psychotic skills". Well maybe it seems a little too crazzy, but You bet it's possible!! I mean in a crazzy world like ours, I've seen so many things that I could believe it after all. Check some psychology literature.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S SUCH A DRAG TO WATCH!! LOL.
It is a supernatural film...its been called that by the director and how else would "Simon" have the same voice in both hosts and only manifest after hes been in the asylum?
that is true ... but it COULD be just a plot device to show the parallelism between the crazy woman and the main character (not sure what the writer intended)
The weak, the wounded, the unstable are vulnerable to energy parasites known in many cultures as jinn, preets, demons. But I suppose it is open to interpretation. As the building was infected/infested, with the sickness of subliminal-spiritual-psychiatric disease, so were the people who came in contact with it. Insanity is a legal term meaning unable to distinguish right from wrong. What was malevolent was the "intent" in the personality of Simon.
I took it as a kind of possesion - "Simon" stays as "Simon" in both people - same character, same voice everything. I think it was a supernatural movie in that respect. As you say, it could be a case of "Simon says" which would be within anybody - thier dark side, but if thats the case why the same voice though?
I saw this film a while back, I thought it was good, but having since found a lot of fuss about it on the net, I can't see what the hype is about. It was a good film but, I dunno, not AMAZING or anything.
I think Simon is an evil spirit that possessed Gordon. When Gordon saw that wheelchair, you could hear a weird rising sound and a shadow passed over his face. The coincidence of Gordon and Phil getting hurt at the same times that Mike found the tapes. The asbestos is a metaphor of how something can get inside of you without you knowing it.
its that little voice inside of you... that says.. what if i did "this" everyone has it. dont say you dont. example your on a cliff, your friend is on the edge.. (push him off!) why not? you see that in your head, but you would never do it... he didnt know anymore.. that line of good and bad was gone.. so he pushed.
what there is not to understand.... gordon got crazy and killed them all... including his wife and daughter... the ,,simon" thing is just comparing on the madness of mary and gordon...
@ellendriver If you saw the film There's a cutsene That shows Him killing his Workers and his wife and showing how He's going insane. I hope this helped :). so He is now LIveing in his house and simon Yelling DO IT GORDAN which sounds like Phil.
Gordon hallucinates, hears voices, suffers delusions, acts out of character, enters Fugue state (a disassiative state causing loss of memory and aimless wandering, which he does at night, he didnt know hank would go and get the coins "what are you doing here" so the meeting was unplanned, and he was just wandering around the hospital), these symptoms are consistant with paranoid type schizophrenia.
the evidence for madness is given, now produce your demons.
The identical voice? Why would two seperate individuals have an alter ego that sounds exactly the same? I realise the movie may be portraying "Simon" as a general 'evil', but in reality if a person were having conversations in thier mind with a split personality, thier "voices" would sound differently even if they embodied the same aspects. I tend to think Simon COULD BE a general dark side ("Simon Says") but then why the identical voice?
You miss the rather obvious fact that Gordon cannot hear Simon (he NEVER acknowledges the voice).
You assume Gordon hears what the audience hears, there is nothing in this film to suggest that, just like there is nothing to suggest ANY supernatural element at all.
This is a psychological thriller, not a horror film, it is schizophrenia rather than ghosts (read up on it, Gordon is clearly a schizophrenic).
@Giradius demons attack the weak, schizophrenia usually starts at a young age also! just because u dont believe that demons exist, doesnt mean that wasnt what the movie was about. simon was the same demon that entered mary! and oh yeh a schizophrenic is gonna tell a dr that it attacks the weak minided? i dont think so .....ppl that are insane dont know it! The voice of madness? gimme a break
What about all the conversations gordon thought he had with Phil "he brought it on himself", "Gordon you are asleep", is Phil a demon as well?
or a figment of Gordons increasingly insane imagination, what about the constant reference's to Gordon needing to take time off and being under stress and "cracks forming"?
What about his uncharacteristic grabbing of phil when he walks away from him.
The end line is powerful because it's true and real. "Simon" is actually the mind trying to cope with pain and helplessness by projecting it outward in the form of power mania compensating for the weakened ego--the most base and extreme form of which is murder, sadism and desecration of that which carries the most emotional resonance. Suicide and homicide resulting from psychosis are both "Simon" manifested differently. The "Do it Gordon" isn't a voice necessarily, but an urge, put into words
"The "Do it Gordon" isn't a voice necessarily, but an urge, put into words"
My sentiments exactly, at no point in the film is the existance of demons even hinted at, never mind Simon being being one.
Mary Hobbs is clearly stated to suffer from severe multiple personality disorder, to claim Simon is a demon is to ignore Princess and Billy, are they demons as well?
Billy lives in the eyes, Princess in the tongue, and Simon in everyone to an extent.
The movie is suggests ambiguity over whether Gordon is the subject of paranormal influence. You're not supposed to know--alternatively, either interpretation is equally scary, so it works for everyone regardless of what scares you more. As someone who's struggled with PTSD and depression, my sense is that "demons" and madness are interchangeable in a non-religious context. Everyone has a dark side--some are darker than others; the frame of "possession" need not refer to anything occult.
I wasn't interested in getting into a discussion over the ontological status of demons.
But Giradius' interpretation of the film is wide of the mark.
It doesn't matter whether "demons" are real or not.....the film is presupposing them. And it's using a "mystery" plot device to unravel the nature of Gordon's condition.
As a fictional piece, a director can posit whatever type of character or situation that he wants.
But, denying this film's "demonic" element is poor analysis.
The amount of nonsense written about this film is staggering!
there's no demonic possession, its about madness!
Simon is not a real person, but one of Mary Hobbs multiple personalities.
Princess is innocence,Billy is protection and Simon is madness.
"I live in the weak and wounded" means that madness lives in the weak (minded) and wounded (those who have suffered or been injured mentally by trauma).
If you thinks its a ghost movie, you did not pay attention.
It's brilliant that Gordon becomes much like Mary. Not only in the fact that he trolls around Mary's cell and puts up family pics (making her cell his) but he represses the memories of his murders just like Mary. Remember when Mary asks the doctor why her family won't visit? She doesn't believe she killed anyone either.
What I love about Brad Anderson's film making is that he is able to breathe new life into old tropes.
"Transsiberian" is a different kind of film than "Session 9" or "The Machinist", yet has that kind of freshness to it that bypasses the familiarity.
I hope that Anderson continues to make psychological horror flicks....but I also hope that he continues to broaden his range into other genres (like sci-fi/fantasy, gangster films, or even a non-linear, unique biopic).
Well, the movie straddles the line between Gordon being insane or possessed. When asked by the doctor why he did it, Simon replied because Mary allowed him to, and that all of his hosts did, implying that his hosts are somewhat aware that they are letting anger get the better of them.
Also, Gordon doesn't act like he's done anything wrong. He tries to blame Phil for Hank, and believes he only hit his wife and talks to her on a broken cell phone. So IMO he's possessed, but insane also.
I'm not an expert in demonology, but I think that a person whose will is weakened by mental illness is going to be more susceptible to the influence of domineering and/or charismatic personalities (i.e. human or otherwise).
agreed. Perhaps the stress of the job and baby pushed him to an edge, and then that tub of hot water that spilled on him pushed him over it, allowing a charismatic Simon to at least suggest murder (if not doing it himself) in his moment of sudden anger.
Gordon's repression of the memories of his actions are like Mary's. Mary asks the doctor why her family never visits her at the hospital, and Gordon keeps saying "I want to go/come home".
Where in the movie does it say that, where in the movie does it say anything other than Simon being on marys personalities like Billy or princess?
are people so incapable of grasping this? Session 9 is not a ghost film, its a film about the decent into madness, it is scary because madness is real, psychotics are real, schizophrenia is real.
Ghosts and demons are not real and so are not scary, while madness is both real and scary.
Because the same "personality" that was haunting the girl in the Session 9 tape, is the same "personality" that is haunting Gordon.
Also, the closing line of the film is inexplicable on your view.
Secondly, another poster had made the point of saying that this is a case of both/and, in regards to madness and demon possession.
The statement "demons are not real" is just an opinion; just like the statement "I'm the only person who exists". I can't "prove" that you, or anybody else, is real.
I think this movie is my favorite movie of all time. I've watched it like 3 times. I would watch it more but unfortunately it's not on youtube anymore, and I don't know if I can find it on DVD in Finland... shame...
In a surburban Ravine by Moonlight, I dug her up, I cleared the dirt away, and her Eyes were still Open, we Kissed, our Tounges Touched, we became as One before the Dawn, this Visit would be our Last, she was not Aging well..
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Parts of the movie are a bit freaky but really it just a friggin joke! I laughed my ass off the whole way through. "where does princess live?..." That was the funniest. If you watch the deleted scenes there is an entire character they left out. It is this random homeless lady that just appears, doesn't speak but watches all of them.
See it. One of the best horror films in years. You're not going to get a Saw or a Hostel. You're going to get a great horror film. One that actually can freak you out. It's got atmosphere like no other horror film does.
over the body and controls its, FORCING it to do things like murder, the line " mary wanted to do it" implys that nothing forced her or made her do it, it was marys choice, these are my thoughts srry it was so long lol
Ashy5000 1 week ago
Gordon snap, this is when "simon" introduces himself saying "hello gordon", mental health issues usually develops in those who cant cope with life etc or " the weak" or those who are emotionally or physically in pain " the wounded" which is where simon says he resides, ore evidence for this is when simon is talking about mary killing her family, if you watch the film he mentions that "mary wanted to do it".. that to me is strange, in most possession films, its like a take over, the demon takes
Ashy5000 1 week ago
To me this isnt a demon film, nor is it intended as one,"simon" isnt real he does not exist, he isnt a spirit or anything, he is insanity personified, evidence for this is when we look at mental health, its a gradual thing, years of stress build up, traumatizing times in your life etc, these all build up until eventually, snap, thats when simon "introduces himself", when mary fell on her doll, that was what pushed her over the edge, the stress of getting this job down and his new baby made.
Ashy5000 1 week ago
Just finished this. Pretty awesome. Simon who fucked with Mary back in the day is the same demon fucking with Gordan in the present. I like the parallel of what that dudes listening to on the tapes from back when is happening to them now. Nice flick!!
cuntingham54 3 months ago
Simon is the voice of the Abyss calling out to the weakness and evil latent in all of us...
gserlenga 4 months ago 2
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gserlenga 4 months ago
burrr :-o
KaristaSwiss 5 months ago
mary had multiple personalities but only 2. Simon was an evil entity but the doc thought it was just another pesonality. Very cool movie. Very creepy. This movie makes you use your mind. Not just try to scare you with sudden loud noise.
abregoa1 5 months ago
y so underrated?
deranderanderan 5 months ago
the most tense movie i have ever seen. its greatest strength is also for some its greatest weakness. nothing happens for long stretches of the movie. but images of deserted rooms and hallways are pretty creepy.
jasonvoorhees2019 7 months ago 2
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jasonvoorhees2019 7 months ago
The last line will haunt me forever.
Demon, symbolism of insanity, split personality, ghost. Whatever Simon is....that line of his just made the movie
RoyalScarlet01 9 months ago
I know people, one person in particular, who use the weak and the wounded to their advantage. Worse kind of coward(s) that exists.
Spartacus217 10 months ago
Simon is definitely a demon. He lives in the weak, not so much the physically but the spiritually....
Zurcness 1 year ago
Simon says, do it Gordon.
PhoenixAngel21 1 year ago
I watched this movie yesterday and honestly...it sucked. But if you really wanna see it, it's on netflix for streaming.
GorillaCrypt 1 year ago
simon is a demon.......and they were weak, and he visited the asylum remember? before he started to work and thats when he first heard simon say....HI GORDON upstairs by the chair. demons attack weak vulnerable ppl
danielletracyann 1 year ago
lol wht if simon says "dont do wht simon says" tht alone would make sombody nuts
Warren742 1 year ago
son of a gun simon. son of a gun. erry time
sammosaurusrex 1 year ago
the whole time he was talking to him self ,
619badazz13 1 year ago
Did Gordon put those pictures on the wall? He is in some of them and I never knew how they got there.
MAClamaire 1 year ago
@MAClamaire he killed his wife and kid befor they started working there ,
619badazz13 1 year ago
i wonder why the name simon was chosen. It isn't exactly the name I think of when I think of a murderer
MrSw3rls 1 year ago
@MrSw3rls i am pretty positive they chose the name Simon ins referrence to Simon Says. Whatever simon is, he is the voice that is telling the weak what to do. and they comply.
TheDeadDeadsons 1 year ago
@TheDeadDeadsons That's why Mary named it Simon.
ThunderBullitt 1 year ago
@MrSw3rls Mary and her doc are the only ones to call it Simon. It's real name is different.
ThunderBullitt 1 year ago
considering this film is about a former insane asylum, simon is most likely insanity itself (gordon was extremely stressed out about his family and the job itself, therefore he was weak). simon is the voice in your head that is telling you to carry out insane actions while you are weak (possibly overly stressed) or wounded (remember that mary was wounded and gordon was weak). it may not be exactly correct but i believe this idea makes sense.
2XK25 1 year ago 2
@2XK25 that's an interesting analysis of Simon. do you by any chance take or major in Abnormal Psychology?
thEannoyingE 1 year ago
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@thEannoyingE nah i'm just speaking my opinion of simon
2XK25 1 year ago
"I live in the weak and the wounded.........Doc."
AtlantaFiend 1 year ago 3
@AtlantaFiend It's the best last line I've ever heard in a film.
MondrosenPrime 1 year ago
This film was incredibly powerful. Simon is a demon that repeats a cycle. When Gordon looked at the chair of Mary where it dwelled, it entered him. It's one of the key scenes. "Hello Gordon".
ThunderBullitt 1 year ago
@ThunderBullitt u can ..hear me gordon
619badazz13 1 year ago
It is very dehumanizing to say "weak/wounded" = "insane" = "psychotic killer".
I find it very hard to believe that Brad Anderson is saying that all insane persons are psychopathic killers and that "Simon" is a personification of the psyche of all insane persons.
I mean....c'mon. That would be a terrible, and terribly mistaken, point of view.
cognitivemagic 1 year ago 3
@cognitivemagic I always took "the weak and the wounded" to mean the susceptible...
RobertKing00 3 weeks ago
It was "possession" because Simon isn't presented as a personification, but rather as a "person". A persons who are "weak" and "wounded" aren't necessarily "insane" nor "possessed". And persons who are "insane" aren't necessarily killers. In fact, most are not. "Simon" isn't identical to "insanity" because he says "I live in the weak and the wounded". And in the closing shot, the idea being conveyed is that "Simon", qua person, is still around....waiting for his next victim. Creepy.
cognitivemagic 1 year ago
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CharlieSoldier 1 year ago
One of the best films I have ever seen, a truly under your skin creepy movie. I don't like the alternate ending as much as the original and Simon's voice doesn't sound as creepy as it does in the original either, but thanks for posting!
jbgood75 1 year ago
such a fragile thing the human mind hardly takes anything at all to make it snap
jak795 1 year ago
this is an amazing movie. but its one that you need to pay close attention too. the ending fucked with me, i had to watch it like a million times til i could finally grasp it. & i like how everyone commented on their opions of simon!
ohdienah 1 year ago
i think "simon" is like a state of mind that manifest in the mentally unstable. and this "simon" state makes one do and say things that one wouldnt normally do if they werent "weark or wounded" (mentally or physically) and THAT is the corralation between mary in the tapes and gordon. mary killed her family because she fell on a china doll and gordon did cuz boiling water spilt on him.
minion6500 1 year ago
What makes it highly unlikely that "Simon" is merely a manifestation of id is the consistency of the voice between Gordon and Mary. Firstly, a woman could not produce the voice heard on the tape, and second, Gordon hears the same voice near the beginning of the film, without having heard the tapes. I believe the film's intention is that "simon" is either a demon of malignant spirit.
56FiftySix 1 year ago 6
I live... in the weak... and the wounded... Doc.
lolubentrold 1 year ago
I loved this movie.
It was freaking amazing.
GodxOfxYours 1 year ago
This movie was really good in story. It looked kinda cheap and had the misfortune of casting David Caruso, who is the worst actor of all time.
But other than that a solid story and very creepy.
Vosk21 1 year ago
It looked cheap? I disagree.
Also, Caruso did a very good job in this role.
jorgekluney 1 year ago 4
@jorgekluney
It was a relatively low budget film. Don't get me wrong, I love the camera effects and the way this film was shot. But you can't deny that this movie had a sorta cheap look to it.
And no, Peter Mullen did a fantastic job in his role. But David Caruso successfully ruins everything he is in. He can't go two seconds without delivering a CSI line.
Vosk21 1 year ago
@jorgekluney
I agree with you, this may have been a low budget film but it was beautifully shot and the acting was very good. I also like Caruso in this movie. It is a shame that the asylum was actually torn down a few years back.
jbgood75 1 year ago
@jorgekluney except for that part where he yelled Miami. At that point, I just had to LOL.
also they did a fast zoom on to his face and he says fuck you that was pretty cheesy/bad
TaffyRaphie 10 months ago
@TaffyRaphie rightt i was high and that had me rollin
Ellet55 9 months ago
I thought the movie was okay. It had tons of promise with the story and the acting, but it fell short tying the plot together. I do like the ending though. It is creepy when the music is playing and you see the dead men behind the platic sheets. That really got me. It really showed the twisted side to murder. And "I live in the weak and the wonded, doc." That was super chilling. :)
KingdomComeToonight 2 years ago
Demons????
zingaya 2 years ago
This movie is great..
"Hello ...Goordon"
zingaya 2 years ago
I thought demons were advocates of social darwinism. Odd that they'd favor the weak and the wounded. Or maybe they don't favor them so much as they prey on them. And they prey on them by taken them over and making them do horrible things against their will.
IggyHazard 2 years ago
Definitely my all time favorite horror film. The movie is very complex and deep. Everyone has that "simmon" subconscious that can potentially take over after a very traumatic experience. This film really makes you think about what people are capable of and the impact of your subconscious state of mind.
italiaboi21 2 years ago 3
Can someone explain why they showed the cut on gordon's finger?
njguru4711 2 years ago
@njguru4711 its to imply that the asbestos got into his bloodstream and messed his head up, which simon took advantage of.
chrismmann51 2 years ago
@njguru4711 It happened when Mary's tapes were opened. It was showing that Simon's cycle was repeating.
ThunderBullitt 1 year ago
this is the greatest scary movie i have ever seen. i have seen them all. a horror movie has not had this much of an impact on me in YEARS. this movie permanently F'd my head up. i couldn't sleep last night (and no movie has ever done that to me before). DOES ANYONE know any other really good psychological horror films? (besides se7en, i didn't really like that movie anyway)
Cornfield1932 2 years ago
jacobs ladder is something like if you haven't seen it you should check it out
GangstaSlimjim 2 years ago 3
ive seen that one, also one of my favorote. i also watched Rec for the first time a few nights ago, that video was insane.
Cornfield1932 2 years ago
You might want to check out "The Machinist". Brad Anderson also directed that one.
Also, there's "Jacob's Ladder", "Eraserhead", "In the Mouth of Madness" and "Stay".
cognitivemagic 2 years ago 2
I agree this is one is in my top ten. I could watch it again and again. I have seen a lot of horror movies, another one that got to me on this level is a movie called "Eyes of Fire" I think there is still a short clip of it on YouTube.
badalice07 2 years ago
So, Simon killed his wife and his baby because of the spilled water? Nice shots of the star of the movie, the beautiful Danvers, which was reduced to rubble and only the administration building still stands, a high end apartment complex. I understand that ghosts from the past haunt the old building. Danvers still haunts us, especially in the DVD which shows the beauty of this fabulous old reminder of the cruelty of mental illness.
janicesoprano 2 years ago
Simon is like Satan. It isn't just a coincidence. That would be really unlikely.
hopkins4545 2 years ago
@hopkins4545 Simon is a demon.
ThunderBullitt 1 year ago
Session 9 is one of my favourite movies ever.
It is FAR to deep and complex to be a simple ghost story.
Nothing about Gordons actions suggest he is possessed at anytime, he never speaks.
The Mary Hobbs and Simon stuff is a subplot, designed to lead you down one path and throw you off what is really happening, (Gordon going insane).
Read the symptoms of schizophrenia on wiki, and watch Gordon.
I have wathched the movie loads of times,each time you see it you notice something else.
Giradius 2 years ago 2
@Giradius why is everything schizophrenia to you ppl?
danielletracyann 1 year ago
Watch the film again.
The Ghost element is a red herring, it's there to make you think a ghost is responsible for Hanks disappearance, the twist is that it is Gordon.
Gordon never talks to simon, he never even acknowledges him,Simon is like a narrator,a symbolic voice of madness.
Gordons own madness is manifest as imaginary conversations with Phil "wake up Gordon" as well as his wife (look when he is on the phone after he hits his wife, his phone is smashed up, he is talking to himself).
Giradius 2 years ago
CLIMAX GOLDEN TWINS
doctalee 2 years ago
couldnt agree more thommo... a fantastic horror movie that feel WAY TOO REAL. go see it if you havent
nform84 2 years ago
Simply put - this is one of the best horror movies ever and its just as a good as The Shining.
thommo316 2 years ago 4
Its a definete contender!
andy7666 2 years ago
sentriodoh plays at the end credits
isolationeitheror 2 years ago
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I can't believe they made a film about a guy turning psychotic because he got boiling pasta water spilt on his leg by his wife? Get. Over. It. It's a burnt leg, no reason to kill you family and work mates! Crazy.
cammybennett 2 years ago
Well, someone missed about the whole movie, didn't they?
seed8888 2 years ago 6
It was a trigger to his "psychotic skills". Well maybe it seems a little too crazzy, but You bet it's possible!! I mean in a crazzy world like ours, I've seen so many things that I could believe it after all. Check some psychology literature.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S SUCH A DRAG TO WATCH!! LOL.
Depending on how You feel at the time.
JacksonPanderin 2 years ago
It is a supernatural film...its been called that by the director and how else would "Simon" have the same voice in both hosts and only manifest after hes been in the asylum?
thedouchebeast 2 years ago
that is true ... but it COULD be just a plot device to show the parallelism between the crazy woman and the main character (not sure what the writer intended)
morbentfel 2 years ago
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a film which takes the easy way out of trying to make a good twisted script
infiniteawareness1 2 years ago
I don't know what it is? I'm a horror nut and I LOVE this flick, but the end really gets to me for some reason?
horrorandmetalfan001 2 years ago
didnt get the link between him and the nutty girl patient? shite....
ronaldezz 2 years ago
The nutty girl pt was a multiple personality. One of the personalities was a demon that possessed the guy.
BornCitizen 2 years ago
Wasn't a possession imo. I thought of simon as insanity within us. Simon lives within the weak and the wounded, or the unstable.
eviloffice 2 years ago 32
The weak, the wounded, the unstable are vulnerable to energy parasites known in many cultures as jinn, preets, demons. But I suppose it is open to interpretation. As the building was infected/infested, with the sickness of subliminal-spiritual-psychiatric disease, so were the people who came in contact with it. Insanity is a legal term meaning unable to distinguish right from wrong. What was malevolent was the "intent" in the personality of Simon.
BornCitizen 2 years ago
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And isn't Simon another name for the devil?
garyeberly916 2 years ago
I took it as a kind of possesion - "Simon" stays as "Simon" in both people - same character, same voice everything. I think it was a supernatural movie in that respect. As you say, it could be a case of "Simon says" which would be within anybody - thier dark side, but if thats the case why the same voice though?
andy7666 2 years ago
well its a bit more creepy now you've enlightened me... cheers
ronaldezz 2 years ago
thats coz your an idiot.
ChaOsAngEL1973 2 years ago
I saw this film a while back, I thought it was good, but having since found a lot of fuss about it on the net, I can't see what the hype is about. It was a good film but, I dunno, not AMAZING or anything.
DistantJ 2 years ago
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BORING!!!!
kantil17 2 years ago
this movie is fucking creepy
Diadematov 2 years ago
"I live in the weak and the wounded."
That is SO bad-ass!
SanGuevara 3 years ago 9
I think Simon is an evil spirit that possessed Gordon. When Gordon saw that wheelchair, you could hear a weird rising sound and a shadow passed over his face. The coincidence of Gordon and Phil getting hurt at the same times that Mike found the tapes. The asbestos is a metaphor of how something can get inside of you without you knowing it.
lordsofUFO 3 years ago 7
"simon" is the ideas and thoughts that you would never do.. but maybe...
leechdom 3 years ago 21
we are all nuts.. i just has to do with degrees. of nuts. he was gone before the movie started, just needed a push.
leechdom 3 years ago 9
lol that is honestly the single best way of putting it
ZaaraDhoomSe 3 years ago
its that little voice inside of you... that says.. what if i did "this" everyone has it. dont say you dont. example your on a cliff, your friend is on the edge.. (push him off!) why not? you see that in your head, but you would never do it... he didnt know anymore.. that line of good and bad was gone.. so he pushed.
leechdom 3 years ago 5
Please could someone explain me the end of this film? I don't understand it very much...
ellendriver 3 years ago
what there is not to understand.... gordon got crazy and killed them all... including his wife and daughter... the ,,simon" thing is just comparing on the madness of mary and gordon...
petarrocca 3 years ago
@ellendriver If you saw the film There's a cutsene That shows Him killing his Workers and his wife and showing how He's going insane. I hope this helped :). so He is now LIveing in his house and simon Yelling DO IT GORDAN which sounds like Phil.
mew0799 1 year ago
Gordon hallucinates, hears voices, suffers delusions, acts out of character, enters Fugue state (a disassiative state causing loss of memory and aimless wandering, which he does at night, he didnt know hank would go and get the coins "what are you doing here" so the meeting was unplanned, and he was just wandering around the hospital), these symptoms are consistant with paranoid type schizophrenia.
the evidence for madness is given, now produce your demons.
Giradius 3 years ago 4
The identical voice? Why would two seperate individuals have an alter ego that sounds exactly the same? I realise the movie may be portraying "Simon" as a general 'evil', but in reality if a person were having conversations in thier mind with a split personality, thier "voices" would sound differently even if they embodied the same aspects. I tend to think Simon COULD BE a general dark side ("Simon Says") but then why the identical voice?
andy7666 2 years ago
You miss the rather obvious fact that Gordon cannot hear Simon (he NEVER acknowledges the voice).
You assume Gordon hears what the audience hears, there is nothing in this film to suggest that, just like there is nothing to suggest ANY supernatural element at all.
This is a psychological thriller, not a horror film, it is schizophrenia rather than ghosts (read up on it, Gordon is clearly a schizophrenic).
Simon is the voice of madness.
"I live in the weak and the wounded"
Giradius 2 years ago 3
@Giradius demons attack the weak, schizophrenia usually starts at a young age also! just because u dont believe that demons exist, doesnt mean that wasnt what the movie was about. simon was the same demon that entered mary! and oh yeh a schizophrenic is gonna tell a dr that it attacks the weak minided? i dont think so .....ppl that are insane dont know it! The voice of madness? gimme a break
danielletracyann 1 year ago
@danielletracyann Schizophrenia usually hits people in late adolescence to early adulthood. It does not start at a 'young age'.
Aepotheosis 11 months ago
What about all the conversations gordon thought he had with Phil "he brought it on himself", "Gordon you are asleep", is Phil a demon as well?
or a figment of Gordons increasingly insane imagination, what about the constant reference's to Gordon needing to take time off and being under stress and "cracks forming"?
What about his uncharacteristic grabbing of phil when he walks away from him.
Giradius 3 years ago
This movie is FAR too sophisticated to be just a simple demon possesion horror.
I watched the exorcist recently, not only was it very boring and totally unscary, but it was laughable in places.
"cognitivemagic:
It doesn't matter whether "demons" are real or not..the film is presupposing them. "
Where in the movie was this presupposed? who said it? when? was it hinted at? if so by whom? and when?
You missed the best of the film and made a simplistic interpretation.
watch it again
Giradius 3 years ago 7
cognitivemagic:
Where in the film Simon is stated or even hinted to be a demon.
Gordon is insane, did you notice him talking to his wife on his broken cellphone? why would a demon make him do that?
Snarej, has hit the nail on the head, what the film makers have done is make "madness" a character,a way to portray decent into madness.
If simon's a demon, then what are princess and billy? are they demons too? if they're just figments of marys broken mind, why is simon the exception?
Giradius 3 years ago
The end line is powerful because it's true and real. "Simon" is actually the mind trying to cope with pain and helplessness by projecting it outward in the form of power mania compensating for the weakened ego--the most base and extreme form of which is murder, sadism and desecration of that which carries the most emotional resonance. Suicide and homicide resulting from psychosis are both "Simon" manifested differently. The "Do it Gordon" isn't a voice necessarily, but an urge, put into words
snarej 3 years ago 4
"The "Do it Gordon" isn't a voice necessarily, but an urge, put into words"
My sentiments exactly, at no point in the film is the existance of demons even hinted at, never mind Simon being being one.
Mary Hobbs is clearly stated to suffer from severe multiple personality disorder, to claim Simon is a demon is to ignore Princess and Billy, are they demons as well?
Billy lives in the eyes, Princess in the tongue, and Simon in everyone to an extent.
Simon is the voice of madness.
Giradius 3 years ago 2
The movie is suggests ambiguity over whether Gordon is the subject of paranormal influence. You're not supposed to know--alternatively, either interpretation is equally scary, so it works for everyone regardless of what scares you more. As someone who's struggled with PTSD and depression, my sense is that "demons" and madness are interchangeable in a non-religious context. Everyone has a dark side--some are darker than others; the frame of "possession" need not refer to anything occult.
snarej 3 years ago 4
I wasn't interested in getting into a discussion over the ontological status of demons.
But Giradius' interpretation of the film is wide of the mark.
It doesn't matter whether "demons" are real or not.....the film is presupposing them. And it's using a "mystery" plot device to unravel the nature of Gordon's condition.
As a fictional piece, a director can posit whatever type of character or situation that he wants.
But, denying this film's "demonic" element is poor analysis.
cognitivemagic 3 years ago
This one of my Fav films!
The amount of nonsense written about this film is staggering!
there's no demonic possession, its about madness!
Simon is not a real person, but one of Mary Hobbs multiple personalities.
Princess is innocence,Billy is protection and Simon is madness.
"I live in the weak and wounded" means that madness lives in the weak (minded) and wounded (those who have suffered or been injured mentally by trauma).
If you thinks its a ghost movie, you did not pay attention.
Giradius 3 years ago
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This looks good though. Might see if I can find the DVD.
Sesquipedaliantique 3 years ago
It's brilliant that Gordon becomes much like Mary. Not only in the fact that he trolls around Mary's cell and puts up family pics (making her cell his) but he represses the memories of his murders just like Mary. Remember when Mary asks the doctor why her family won't visit? She doesn't believe she killed anyone either.
outsideredge 3 years ago 4
What I love about Brad Anderson's film making is that he is able to breathe new life into old tropes.
"Transsiberian" is a different kind of film than "Session 9" or "The Machinist", yet has that kind of freshness to it that bypasses the familiarity.
I hope that Anderson continues to make psychological horror flicks....but I also hope that he continues to broaden his range into other genres (like sci-fi/fantasy, gangster films, or even a non-linear, unique biopic).
cognitivemagic 3 years ago
Gordy was "possessed" to kill his wife by the same demon whose voice was recorded in Session 9 tape: Simon
Remember the part where Simon goes: "do it Gordy".....and then you hear Gordy killing his wife, his child and his dog in the background?
The director, I believe, removed the "mystery" in the end with Simon's monologue from Session 9:
"I live in the weak and the wounded...Doc"
What creeps people out isn't the idea that Gordy was insane...but, rather, that he was demon possessed.
cognitivemagic 3 years ago
Well, the movie straddles the line between Gordon being insane or possessed. When asked by the doctor why he did it, Simon replied because Mary allowed him to, and that all of his hosts did, implying that his hosts are somewhat aware that they are letting anger get the better of them.
Also, Gordon doesn't act like he's done anything wrong. He tries to blame Phil for Hank, and believes he only hit his wife and talks to her on a broken cell phone. So IMO he's possessed, but insane also.
outsideredge 3 years ago 6
You're interpretation makes sense of the line:
"I live in the weak and the wounded"
and because of the events you mentioned.
I'm not an expert in demonology, but I think that a person whose will is weakened by mental illness is going to be more susceptible to the influence of domineering and/or charismatic personalities (i.e. human or otherwise).
In any event, kudos for making that observation.
cognitivemagic 3 years ago
agreed. Perhaps the stress of the job and baby pushed him to an edge, and then that tub of hot water that spilled on him pushed him over it, allowing a charismatic Simon to at least suggest murder (if not doing it himself) in his moment of sudden anger.
Gordon's repression of the memories of his actions are like Mary's. Mary asks the doctor why her family never visits her at the hospital, and Gordon keeps saying "I want to go/come home".
outsideredge 3 years ago 2
You have the wrong way round!
The creepy part is the idea that Gordon went insane, not that he was demon possessed.
Simon is supposed to symbolise madness.
Nowhere is it claimed or even hinted at that simon is...
A - real
B - A demon
C - Possessing anybody
D - anything other than a figment of marys imagination (like her other personalities).
Demon possession is not at all scary, because demons are imaginary, madness IS scary because it does happen, and it could happen to you.
Giradius 3 years ago 2
makes you wonder if "simon" is something more than just a split personality?
LordSusan 3 years ago 3
Simon isn't just part of Maries split personality but a malignant spirit supposedly a bad one looking over mary
thebringerofnight 3 years ago
What are you basing that on?
Where in the movie does it say that, where in the movie does it say anything other than Simon being on marys personalities like Billy or princess?
are people so incapable of grasping this? Session 9 is not a ghost film, its a film about the decent into madness, it is scary because madness is real, psychotics are real, schizophrenia is real.
Ghosts and demons are not real and so are not scary, while madness is both real and scary.
Giradius 3 years ago
Because the same "personality" that was haunting the girl in the Session 9 tape, is the same "personality" that is haunting Gordon.
Also, the closing line of the film is inexplicable on your view.
Secondly, another poster had made the point of saying that this is a case of both/and, in regards to madness and demon possession.
The statement "demons are not real" is just an opinion; just like the statement "I'm the only person who exists". I can't "prove" that you, or anybody else, is real.
cognitivemagic 3 years ago
this movie is really creepy
chrisfehn13 3 years ago
ok some1 please tell me something
i get all of the movie but 1 part
does he kill his wife
cuz i mean at the end he was talking to nobody cuz the battery was out of the phone
so please sum1 tell me
hoosiers23ryan 3 years ago
yes he killed his wife
luv2board321 3 years ago
am i the only one who thinks he should have had two black eyes in the end, as if he had lebotomized himself?
maybe it would have been too obvious, idk. but i would have liked it.
SaClLa 3 years ago
whoa . . i'd forgotten what a great film this was . . .
mkg307 3 years ago
I think this movie is my favorite movie of all time. I've watched it like 3 times. I would watch it more but unfortunately it's not on youtube anymore, and I don't know if I can find it on DVD in Finland... shame...
finnishkid 3 years ago
The shot of the lone wheelchair in the dark hallway creeps me out every time. I can see why its in SH3.
outsideredge 3 years ago 4
yeah that's a brilliant shot.
kittenflavours 3 years ago
It really is brilliant. Every time I see something similar I get chills
slice22358 3 years ago
The best part is the last line: "I live in the weak and wounded, DOC."
eesloan4 3 years ago 4
that line and voice is so fucking haunting. along with the music... perfect end.
thomas007 3 years ago
Simply awesome movie. Low budget, but great film.
Orsacchione 3 years ago
The ending still confuses me but it was a great movie overall!:)
TarakuNaruto 3 years ago
In a surburban Ravine by Moonlight, I dug her up, I cleared the dirt away, and her Eyes were still Open, we Kissed, our Tounges Touched, we became as One before the Dawn, this Visit would be our Last, she was not Aging well..
W1C1W 3 years ago
Is that from something? I like it; very macabre.
flesheatingbaby 3 years ago
A month of Lonely Nights I Dreamed of you,
Upon the fullest Moon, I crept into your Surburban Tomb, when at Last you were Revealed, my Heart Beat for Both of us,
I Licked the Dirt from your Eyes, and slowly Chewed the Skin from your Face, together we became Beautiful before Dawn.
Later, my Love, on the Morning Bus, the Taste of your Lipstick was still in my Mouth,
those Sad Blue Eyes within my Grasp.
W1C1W 3 years ago
lol thats something that jeffery daumer would say.
tharbk01 3 years ago
That piano sound used to be so disturbing to me, but made me laugh.
That's almost how the entire movie was for me. xP
Vodazvezda 3 years ago
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Parts of the movie are a bit freaky but really it just a friggin joke! I laughed my ass off the whole way through. "where does princess live?..." That was the funniest. If you watch the deleted scenes there is an entire character they left out. It is this random homeless lady that just appears, doesn't speak but watches all of them.
funnygirl2011 3 years ago
so people with split personalities and other disorders like that are funny huh?
yeah i can see that real clearly ass hole
untiltheend22 3 years ago 3
Why the hysterics? You identify with the premise of this film?
nickt035 3 years ago
yeah go watch saw. it seems movies with no depth seem to be more to ur liking.
tharbk01 3 years ago
im reading a book about this. Its called project 17. Its a pretty good book
rs3isfake 3 years ago
This movie scares me so much.
BadLactose 3 years ago
...i live in the wounded....doc.
getchatissuesready 3 years ago
how good is Peter Mullan , i mean really! he's such an inspiration
Foxymairi 3 years ago 3
...this movie freaks me out...
xxSanadaxx 4 years ago
lol then it served its purpose.
but yeah same here...
iHeartKal 4 years ago
i cant stop thinking about this movie. Its really messin me up man lol. its wicked freaky
mattylaw192 3 years ago
i loved this movie!
indiag89 4 years ago 2
Simon is infected because he is weak and wounded
kazchen999 4 years ago
Wo!!i have not seen the movie and i still get the creeps
ilovehoratio 4 years ago
someone said this movie was rad, i havent seen. is it any good?
mmmpie 4 years ago
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who in this decade says "rad"??
frcombi 4 years ago
Yeah it was a really good movie.
I saw it years ago and i still get chills from just seeing short clips like this.
xfevxx 4 years ago
See it. One of the best horror films in years. You're not going to get a Saw or a Hostel. You're going to get a great horror film. One that actually can freak you out. It's got atmosphere like no other horror film does.
jorgekluney 4 years ago 3
David Caruso saw a ghost on the filming of this production!!!
halidefox 4 years ago 2
its been 5 years since i have seen this
OMG someone needs to upload this
its a great movie
if you like pissing your fucking pants scared... i know some dont find it scary but i sure as hell did
KandiGrrl420 4 years ago
my ex was scared to shit by this point of the movie. I hold session 9 as one of the best in psychological horror movies.
mammasittaa 4 years ago 3
I live at yo' mama's house... Doc.
Cockmongler 4 years ago
I love this movie!!!! I own it too!!! That last line is pretty scary!!LOL!!! David Caruso is really good in this movie!!!
iluvdavidcaruso13 4 years ago