This guy is great!! He just needs to wear an Armani suit (re: Fabrizio Mancini- the great scammer from Parker College) in order to look a bit more "successful".
Listen, been to two different chiropractors for two DIFFERENT problems. They both did the SAME damn near EXACT "adjustments". Neither did any good. Most aches and pains are soft tissue related, not bone related. Physical therapy is usually beneficial, not cracking your spine. Plus, it is VERY dangerous to violently twist your neck, doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Think about it. Hey, i was sceptical, tried it, and i stand by this comment.
Uh, you dont think that surgeons and med docs do that? they say... 'You HAVE to have this to save your life!" they scare the crap you of you to have a surgery... HOW do you know you need it or even had it done properly, they ALWAYS say, "I took out your *** it was rotten... good thing we did that when we did..."
Health care... nix that... SICK care is money in the bank no matter what kinda provider you are...
@BestPiperonMars So, what are you saying? That this video isn't a problem? That if you argue corruption in some medical office, it's okay in a chiropractic office too? And actually, no, most surgeons don't lie about a need for surgery as that's a pretty invasive procedure. Also surgeons have mandatory eyes looking over their shoulders, peer review, hospital rules, clear outcomes, threats of law suits, etc. So, no...bogus surgery is possible, but still far less likely. Decry! don't deny!
This video is a fluke. It has nothing at all to do with chiropractic....not once does this KID mention anything about chiropractic— he also seems quite illiterate. This is not how chiropractors work and they would never set up a patient with 45 visits on their first visit. Don't let this garbage hinder you view about how chiropractors really conduct their practice.
@chiropractic1991 Don't be naive or defensive. It's ok to confront ethical issues w/o denial. This "kid" works for a chiro consultant. He mentions chiropractic the entire time. It was a training film FOR chiros! This video is a snippet. And yes--gurus and practice "consultants" DO set up patients with 45+ visits on the first visit. The whole point is to unite as DC's to REJECT this kinda chicanery. Cleaning house is the point. Not denial and naivite. DECRY! DON'T DENY!
I agree with this video, it makes me sick to see chiropractors leech money out of people like that. Unwarranted treatments based on nothing, no diagnosis whatsoever.
@chiropractic47 What am I supposed to open my eyes to- anecdote? Snake oil salesmen were a thing of the past, but alas they have just renamed themselves to straight ChiropracTORs
@krzyweplecy You'll never be in a position to debate chiropractic as long as you covet medicines self professed as flawed "reactive" approach to health care.
@chiropractic47 Yeah. Sure. Those medics always reacting to fractures, trauma, bullet wounds, cancer, diabetes. Who do those "reactive" quacks think they are!! High blood pressure is just a state of mind to a grounded, wise chiropracTIC doc, like you I guess. Click the atlas with an activator, muscle test their pancreas with some AK, sell them some bovine adrenals--chant the magic druid words--and voila! ChiropracTIC has saved another soul for innate. If you walk, talk like a duck...QUACK
@chiropractic47 That's too bad. Sorry for your loss. Drugs can be dangerous. I'm not sure how that is a plus for chiropractic, since they seem two different thoughts. One can mourn a medical mistake, without seeing a juxtaposition kudo for chiropractic, I think. Last I knew, spinal manipulation does not thin blood so sounds like her core problem was not a chiropractic issue.
@chiropractic47 Ummm...no they don't. Blood chemistry, especially pH has never been shown to be affected by spinal subluxations. Now, maybe you could make the case for blood pressure?? via the autonomic nervous system, at least in theory. Is that what you meant? But the blood chemistry itself is not a function of the nervous system. If so quadraplegics would be in big trouble. I see you put your comment in "quotations", but quote marks don't make it a fact.
@wgagandalf007 Er, yes they (spinal adjustments affecting blood values via the CNS and ANS) may; Dynamic Chiropractic May 6, 2011. You both; don't understand how the body is made, how it works, what it needs to survive, and grossly underestimate the power and value of specific scientific spinal adjutments. You mention; the nervous system has no function or control over blood chemistry. How far from the truth can this be? Try: "Emotional stress affecs cortisol levels in the blood". Bye, bye!
@chiropractic47 Cortisol and adrenaline are HORMONES made in the adrenals. The hormones have the effect on the blood, not the nerves. The nerve itself has no qualitative effect on blood chemistry. I already said the ANS affects blood pressure and hormones. Which vertebra do you adjust to affect the emotions? Since quadraplegics have no spinal nerve activity, how do you explain the continued function of their adrenal glands (cortisol)?
@wgagandalf007 Exactly...thank you. Cortisol and adrenalin made their way into the bloodstream via stimulation of the nervous system. As you're aware, organs don't indiscriminately release their hormones or blood constituents. The nervous system signals the release of hormones into the bloodstream as well as the blood's constituents. Did you read Dynamic Chiropractic's research on this? Did you read the research revealing the immmencse release of white blood cells following an adjustment?
@wgagandalf007 I googled your phrase. Did NOT pull up a single hit for blood values or chemistry. Some theoretical concepts on blood pressure. No scientific studies. No peer-reviewed articles. Sorry. I think your aunt would NOT have been saved by toggling her atlas. Even the activator "life-click" would likely not have helped. BTW, if chiropractic solved all, why do chiro's die? Shouldn't we live longer if our spines are perfectly aligned? But our demographics are the same as most. ???
@chiropractic47 Huh? "Seize to view"?? What do you mean? Do you mean "cease to view chiropractic as treatments?" If so, your point is still weird. To deliver chiroprac"TIC" still requires something called "case management." (It's a medical term--look it up.) Case management still requires ETHICS. (It's in the dictionary--you can look it up too.) Chiro gurus like this don't use either term. Open YOUR eyes. Spit out the kool-aid. Reject unethical idiots like this chiro "trainer."
@wgagandalf007 "It's a medical term-look it up"...Look what we have here; a medically oriented doctor of chiropractic AKA "Medipractor". So you prefer to subjugate chiropractic's rehabilitation of the spine to medicine's case management protocols? This what they taught you in chiro-med school. "Mrs. Jones, your symptoms have abated in just eight visits (though the reversal of the cervical curve persists). Come back when your symptoms return. The vid is for trainers not chiro's...jerk.
@chiropractic47 Maybe you didn't realize but 100% of your anatomy and physiology training at Life (if there was any) used medical terms. Femur. Sternum. Ulna, and other bones, or as you called them "those stiff white things inside your body." "Case Management" is the word that applies in English. Or what you may call your "money-scamming-management." The vid is for TRAINING chiros...idiot. Use your cerebrum (med term) not just your oral cavity (med term). Learn to cogitate (med term.)
@1IIIIIIIIII1 How honest is a doctor who prescribes an antidepressant for a headache without the patient knowing. Clearly this fellow is ignorant to how the body works and how well it can adapt to stresses. Guess what... chronic stresses such as hypomobile joints and "guarding" intrinsic postural muscles have negative implications biomechanical and neurological. Manipulation has shown to be very beneficial in MSK conditions. Further more MDs DOs PTs use manipulation adjustments as well.
I commend you for posting this video. I myself was turned off of chiropractic by the way the chiros I visited conducted business. If more Chiros like you tried to do right by their patients, the profession would have a better reputation
Principle #18, which BJ written over 75 years ago, rings clear to this day whilst allopathy and medipractors wish to suppress. You got it flipped; while he and a few others were thinking in the terms of the principles of life possesing innate intelligence that self regulates; above-down-inside-out, allopathy was well underway in the opposite direction...outside-in. Perhaps you one of those gadget guys?...Like an allopath...the human body is too complicated for simplistic ideas and approaches.
@chiropractic47 I find nothing "profound" is his #18 stating: "The signs of life are evidence of the intelligence of life." I guess that's true, but so what. I learned that as a 5 year old in Sunday School. It's just pap and fluff. I cited #18 as just an example. His other 32 are often just as mundane. B.J. was many things. A deep thinking philosophical genius was not one of them. Most of us know about homeostasis--even the MD's. "Innate" is no "new" thing. Much ado about nothing new.
@wgagandalf007 You continue to ignore that BJ made these statements in the early part of the last century. At that time till relatively recently the AMA in cahoots with the govt. was prosecuting both the chiropractic and osteopathic professions. Innate intelligence was a dirty word and continues to remain a dirty word within the medical-pharmaceutical complex. Homeostasis is germane to all the health professions, it's arriving at homeostasis that behooves medicine. Innate is old news to chiro.
Good folks who happened upon this aweful vid. Produced by a failed in practice DC. Chiropractic opologizes for it offending you. I offered to mentor the author into becoming a successful principled doctor of chiropractic. He was born, raised, and refuses to let go the teet of the failed allopathic paradigm. For now he covets his medical mimcry, relying on its turpitude for chiropractic in guiding him to allopathics anti-chiropractic stilleto. Pray for his soul and those who come to rely on him.
@chiropractic47 What an ego! You apologize for the video offending people?? Why don't you apologize FOR the video which shows the scam against the people? Idiot. Why would I, already 29 years in a very successful practice, want you to "mentor" me? As for my "turpitude...on the anti-chiro stiletto" I'll just have to take my chances. Newsflash: The video shows a scam artist. I exposed it. That is NOT anti-chiropractic, fool. The danger is idiots like you that don't know the difference.
@wgagandalf007 The video gives instruction on how to close a financial committment between doctor and practice member. Near-exact instruction is given to dentists, MD's, etc. who provide a wonderfully affordable means to circumvent the financial restrictions of insurance companies. Avoiding appropriate corrective chiropractic care can be dangerous, debilitating, and costly. You practice from the well-outdated "Band-aid Allopathic Symptomatic Care" mode. Change is tough and hard, but necessary.
@chiropractic47 One more thing, while the "good folks" are praying for my soul, could they also pray that chiropractic can attract a better crop of chiros. So the current idiots who insist on defending immoral, scam-artist chiropractic gurus might one day be replaced by DC's who realize you improve the profession when you teach ethics, honesty, and science more than just anti-medical chiropractic philosophy and hucksterism. These current Jonestown dolts are beyond salvation. Pray hard!!!!
Who counts success by how quickly patients get better, not by how long it takes? If you equate the longer someone's in your care, and the longer it takes you to fix them with "success", then this video applies to you. You have it backwards. Do you go to a dentist hoping he'll take as long as possible to fix your teeth? Do you hope your surgeon counts success by how long he keeps you on the operating table? Idiots. Catch and release and they'll come back cuz you're honest. Stop raping.
@wgagandalf007 "Fix" them?! What? Are you the "Medical Mimicry" poster boy? "How long does it take to fix them?" So "fix" is what it all boils down to you? What happened to restore proper function and maintain this state of being? Oh my god! What have they/you done to you/yourself? The people want correction then wellness care buck-o. The old "I'm allright your allright" allopathic paradigm is on the way out. Adapt or get out of the way. Why don't you just burn your diploma for chiropractic?
@chiropractic47 You mean you can't restore function in weeks or months? It takes you years?? Reeeaaalllyyy? Wow. It only takes me a short duration, of certainly no more than a few months for the average patient. What are you doing wrong? Just clicking 'em with the activator gun? I hope your patients don't figure out how badly they're being ripped off. Maybe you need more ADIO juice from the innate God? Do you pray to the chiro God nightly? Try that.
@wgagandalf007 I don't know where you went to school or who's influencing you in a most irrational way. How long does it take to restore a reversal of the cervical lordosis? You insist this can be accomplished in "...weeks or months..." If you can reverse a reversal of the cervical lordosis in a matter of weeks or a few months then you certainly deserve the Nobel Prize. ... It took years to reverse the cervical lordosis and the average of a year to restore or bring some semblanse of a lordosis.
@chiropractic47 Palmer. Many people don't have perfect curves. Very few adults benefit from trying to undo the bodies adaptation due to posture, weight, lifestyle, etc. Adaptation is natural. And even if the myth were true, you're using a small example as if it explains eternal treatment plans on EVERYONE. If you truly have 5% of kyphotic neck patients, why are 100% of your patients on eternal treatment plans? I've seen the shell game too long to let your sleight of hand pull that trick.
@wgagandalf007 Allowing the failed physics of unrestorable spinal curves will eventually lead to debilitating deterioration of involved vertebral motor units and their adjacent neural structures. Providing periodic spinal adjustments slows what you deem inevitable. Wake up chiropracTOR! Periodic spinal adjustments also move lymph, release sub dermal adhesions, maintain vertebral juxtapositions, stimulate afferent and efferent receptors, etc. Thinking in a box yields the confines of the box.
@chiropractic47 I hear you regurgitating platitudes straight from a Renaissance style brochure, yet you think I'm the one who can't think outside of the box? But you missed the point. I said that even if we grant the "restored curve" theory for kyphotic cases, how does that justify putting all your patients on eternal care programs? You know that is EXACTLY what happens in patient-mill practices. Hypocrisy. Or do ALL patients have reversed neck curves? Note these angry DC's make no caveat.
@wgagandalf007 You know...as that you are a DC I didn't believe you would miss the point of how people sustain reversal or diminishment of primary curves, or how they sustain vertebral subluxations. How are people to know if these health situations arise if they weren't periodically monitored? And what about all the other vital health information that is to be conveyed to practice members? Ahhh! Got ya thinking....
@chiropractic47 ...And to clarify as you seem to misunderstand. I've always accepted "periodic spinal adjustments." Nothing I've ever said in all these exchanges was against APPROPRIATE wellness care when evidence-based and justified. But that was not the point of the video. That showed a first visit, young woman, manipulating words, projected out for 6 months of care on the initial visit. That's not "periodic" care. That's a set up on how to manipulate for compliance and abuse.
@wgagandalf007 You don't make sense: You approve of periodic wellness adjustments but disapprove of everyone recieving spinal adjustments as a means to prevent spinal/neural issues? Wanna "Have your cake and eat it too"?
@chiropractic47 I think it's quite clear. You need to read up on "evidence-based" case management concepts, also called "best-practice" care. I am against high volume, 2 minute, patient mills. Usually activator based placebo care w/ eternal care plans based on making money, not clinical criteria. We have a cancer in the profession. Some have made it a cult/religion which is scary. "Wellness" is sometimes an excuse for raping the wallet. Quality, not quantity care.
@wgagandalf007 And let's take a look at who establishes what chiropractics "evidence-based" case mangagement: Medipractors and allopaths! Your model (medicpractic) doesn't fit the "ChiropracTIC" tenet but rather that of the Physical Therapy model. If your going to take more than 5 minutes to determine subluxation then spinal adjustment then you're well on your way of thinking of how to "Therapize" the fallout of the vertebral subluxation complex with massage, EMS/US, etc. Read the 33 principles.
@chiropractic47 I do take more than 5 minutes in patient care. I didn't realize that was "bad". As for the "33 Principles" of BJ Palmer--the few that are true are simply restating the concept of "homeostasis", repackaged by BJ as if he were discovering something "new." Balderdash. The majority are just stupid and trite. Example: "#18. Evidence of Life - The signs of life are evidence of the intelligence of life." Meaningless drivel in guise of feigning profundity. Simplistic and trivial.
@wgagandalf007 You see? You did it again....missing the meaning of the basic tenet (33 Principles) of chiropractic. Principle #18 was meant to be a "stepping stone" leading to ones realization and acceptance that "Life" has intelligence...to monitor and self regulate; maintain homeostasis. BJ was compelled to lay it out so this fact can be conveyed to the human body. To this day allopathy brainwashed the populace to accept that the body can't regulate itsself thus not maintain homeostasis...
@chiropractic47 I already said he repeated the homeostasis theme, as if he'd discovered something known only to him. I cited $18 as an example of new-age tritism. "Where's the Beef?" If you're impressed with the simplistic observations, which I found unimpressive, more power to you.
The vid's author wishes to convey his personal feelings that: Chiropractic should follow the allopathic model of "Reactive" or better known as "Sick Care". As you're aware this model has failed miserably as well as financially broken the United States. Like most, the author was raised medically and now feels sucking the ass hole of medicine will cause his inclusion into their "Sickness Care" paradigm. MD's have entered chiropractic's "Wellness Care" revolution and now see the "Light" of change.
@chiropractic47 (Sigh) The problem is the cost of tech, drugs, malpractice, R&D, etc. Nor is it just "reactive" care. The medical model has always had both proactive and reactive. What do you think immunizations, stop smoking programs, emphasis on diet and exercise--are all about? They have entire fields dedicated to preventive and wellness. Think for yourself, without the anti-medical propaganda of Life College gurus. NEWS FLASH: Wellness care was not invented by chiropractors.
@wgagandalf007 What!? Vaccinations are preventative care? When vaccinations prevent our children from developing into healthy adults whilst they develop inadequate immune response leading to asthma, allergies, ulcerative colitis, etc. and broad spectrum disorders like autism and aspergers? These were all foriegn to us before 1989, from here on the vaccine schedule was more than tripled and so has the mahem that ensued. Chiropractic for all!
@chiropractic47 Do you know the definition of "preventive care"? Of course vaccinations fit that definition. You've been poisoned with anti-med propaganda. Conspiracy theories are crap. Do some real research. Don't cite amateur soap-box drivel. I weep for the ignorance in our profession. Nor were any of these problems "foreign to us before 1989." Hogwash. There will always be bad reactions, even to strawberries and peanuts. But your POV is cult-like. No wonder DC's are laughed at.
@wgagandalf007 "...vaqccinations..." Speaking of "You've been poisoned" LOL! Now come on now medic.You know better than bring up the "V" word, especially when millions of parents are seething in anger over vaccine injuries. You're a "...bad reactions...". LOL! Loser! Corrective then wellness chiropractic care for all!
@wgagandalf007 So all this altruistic "Welness Care" efforts of medicine that you cite is presumably working? LOL! I'd feel a bit like a shmuck to believe this admist of the 800,000 Americans who die each year due to medical care. Please reconsider to save face. "News Flash" chiropractic leads the Wellness Revolution.Tell me you beg to differ...sigh.
@chiropractic47 You inflate your figures and don't cite your magic rounded number. See Iatrogenesis on wikipedia for a valid estimate less than 1/3rd that. Chiro's probably see 1 to 4% of patient visits in this country. We treat non-life threatening problems. Of course the 96 to 99% of more serious med needs will generate much higher failures for allopaths. Apples to Oranges. But the issue here is ethics, not risk factors. If our ethics fail in this vid, say so. Don't defend it!
@wgagandalf007 Not only does your ethics fail in this vid, but so does your complete understanding of the spine and its relationship to the nervous system! Your must be a loser- failed in practice chiropractor. "We treat non-life-threatening problems"? What?! What happens when the deeper fibers of nerve roots or autonomic ganglia supplying organs are irritated? You dip shit! Why and how did you get through chiro. school? You're despicable! Corrective and wellness chiropractic care for all!
@chiropractic47 Wait...MY ethics fail in this video? You do realize I'm not in this video, right? And since in the entire history of the world there has never been a death certificate listing "Spinal Subluxation" as the cause of death, it seems the idiot here is you talking about death by "irritated nerve root ganglia". Perhaps you needed to get through more than Chiro school. You never learned critical thinking. You are a Life Jonestown disciple who likes the grape kool-aid. Grow a brain.
@wgagandalf007 The failure of your ethics pales to your lack of adequate understanding as to how the body is made, how it works, and what it needs to survive. Vertebral subluxations can and do kill. Do our organs just sit in their prospective places and just "do" their jobs? Or is does nervous system which runs within and along the spine providing the critical electrical signals causing them to operate properly? Shame on you! It makes me sick that you earned a DC. What a shame and sham you are..
What?! A chiropractic assistant (CA) complaining to the world because he was fired by the chiropractic doctor? Chiropractic is the leader of the "WEllNESS" revolution. Wellness means the correction and maintenance of the human body. This shmuck of a CA didn't get "it". He mentions "Watch out for DC's who advize "Continued care folowing the resoulution of symptoms or condition". Is this saying DC's addresses "conditons" and "symptoms"? He didn't "Get the Big Idea"...just a cheap medic. ADIO!
@chiropractic47 Is that the "Big Idea" of the "Big Con"? The issue in this clip is unethical business practice and hustling for money, under the guise of "wellness". You are likely a Sherman/Life grad since you seem to think chiro's should not treat "conditions and symptoms". You've drunk the kool-aid, I fear. Best-care is "evidence-based" not philosophy based care. Granted, it's not ONLY based on pain. But is MUST be based on clinical need. The cult days need to end if we want to growup.
@wgagandalf007 Horseshit! Never mind you not getting "The Big Idea", you missed the entire "Point". Chiropractic understands how the body's made, how it works, and what it needs to survive. Damn right I went to "Life" (the worlds highest enrollment and largest campus) whilst North Western (low enrollment), Cleveland (which closed its LA. campus due to medi-practoring lowering its enrollment, or National (the same low enrollment) suffer the fate from their medi-practoring. Shut this vid down!
@chiropractic47 I hardly think you can accuse Palmer of not teaching the "Point". And you're brave to brag about going to Life, the most shame ridden of all--with founder narcissist Sid Williams raping the school with comical nepotism for years, and losing accreditation. Why would I shut this vid down? If you see nothing shameful in it, why shut it down? Aren't you proud of life-time maintenance care, like Life taught you? If you're a crook, be outrageous, like Sid! Big, bold & brazen!
@wgagandalf007 What! MD's now advocate for wellness med care. So what's up? Because your momma took ya to the MD for sniffles and sneezes (Reactive Care) instead of preventative care (Proactive Care) isn't our fault. You want to advocate for "Reactive Care", the most expensive and failed method of "unhealth" care...go on and do it man. Otherwise lay it out as I did, then shut up and let the intelligent/informed choose "Proactive" chiropractic corrective then maintenance care. Your vid failed.
@9pt9 Do you mean do I get 45 adjustments, 3 re-exams and repeat x-rays for $3,249? Why are you equating some occasional preventive care (fine) with teaching chiropractors how to rip off their patients like in this video? Don't you realize that when you defend a con-artist, talking about how to psychologically manipulate patients, that you show to the world that YOU don't know the difference? How does that fail to register with you?
@wgagandalf007 First off I agree that his financial consult sucks. It should not be on youtube for the public to see. I think you should remove this video as it doesnt help our image Secondly, I have no problem recommending 45 visits or whatever the patient needs. If he's practicing CBP and is adjusting for curve restoration with traction there is no way that can be accomplished in 2-3weeks. What's wrong with doing re-exams and taking post x-rays to moniter results?
@9pt9 Agreed on this vids exposing the contents of Financial Consultation. Symptom chiropractic care works just as well as symptom medical care...both have poor outcomes.
@wgagandalf007 Wait! The vid is teaching people to pay up front for a huge discount on corrective phase of care. How many times do you want them to pull $30 copays from their wallets? Do you expect them to pay several thousands of dolars for a much necessary 60 visit correc care schedule? My office provides corrective care schedules that boil down to $15 of comprehensive care per visit. They love it! They ask me how I expect to make a living. I remind them that everyone needs chiropractic care.
@chiropractic47 Funny how "corrective care" always seem to equal a nice round number, predictable on the first visit, with the money plucked "up front" from their wallets or put on VISA when they have yet to figure out the scam. Get them when they're most vulnerable, have no evidence of the illusion of "correcting" their many-decade curve or scoliosis, etc. Up-front CC is a scam sold by megapractice gurus. It's usually a lie and a scheme. Bodies are dynamic and more is not better care. Scam.
@wgagandalf007 The millions of people continue to demand corrective then wellness chiropractic care as "your kind" rants- rock back and forth in their feces. My office was packed from 8 a.m till noon today. Practice members brought their friends and family. Time is leaving you in the dust...be well loser. Corrective then wellness chiropractic for all!
I am a D.C. and I thank you for putting this up. I graduated from Sherman. Our profession is full of practice management plan pushers and technique peddlers and it makes me sick. Unfortunately, IMHO it looks like Practice Management people control the chiropractic publications by way of their advertising dollars and therefore are able to set a lot of standards for our profession. I do see some overdue changes beginning but it is slow. I encourage other D.C.'s to speak up and demand change.
@wgagandalf007 Infamou words from a failed chiropractor. You never "Got It" and likely never will. Corrective and maintenance chiropractic care for all!
@chiropractic47 I notice you usually end all your rants with "maintenance chiropractic care for all!" That is so cute. Do you thrust your right fist up in the air, and follow it with "woo hoo!!". Are you doing the Will Ferrell gag on SNL as a Spartan Cheerleader? I must have missed the day they covered "fanatical-ultra-cult-discipleship" cheers in chiropractic college. Let me try; EVIDENCE-BASED CHIRO CARE FOR ALL! WOO-HOO! (Fist thrust!!) Hey... you're right. I feel fulfilled now!!
@wgagandalf007 You know...I think your beginning to get it. Give the people who come to your office specific scientific chiropractic spinal adjustments for both corrective and maintenance care...Go on...Throw a little Will Ferrell in there too. LOL! Peace and corrective and wellness chiropractic care for all!
@tony11122 Sherman rolls in his grave from ass wipe failed DC's of your type. My good buddy gaduated from Sherman and never would cave in to your medic ideology. Shame on you medipractor! Corrective then maintenance chiropractic care for all!
@chiropractic47 My son almost died from peritonitis due to my my own ignorance in the belief that by keeping him adjusted, he would get well without medical help. Thank God for the surgeon that pulled him through that after I finally woke up. I was taught that appendicitis was not that serious at Sherman. Before that happened to me, I was probably just as full of fire for chiropractic philosophy as you are. Life has a way of teaching us lessons along the way. Good luck on your journey.
@tony11122 Chiropractic schools don't teach not to refer peritonitis. Whoever taught you to ignore this very serious position is not on track. Chiropractic doesn't directly address infections but helps prevent them in the first place; by clearing the nervous system and instructing on proper lifestyle, which brings us back to your son...he was very young, vaccinated, and antibioticated...here's where things went wrong. My four breast fed, unvaccinated, adjusted children have stellar health.
@chiropractic47 My son was 12, NOT vaccinated, and had never been on any antibiotic. I bought the philosophy hook, line, and sinker like you! I personally sat through several lectures at Sherman where the instructor lectured on just how stupid it was for people to get overly excited about appendicitis, fevers in children, rattlesnake bites, spider bites, etc. I am glad your children are healthy and I hope you never have to go through what I went through.
@tony11122 Your son wasn't breast fed. This in its self allows for an insufficient immune response. INo one would buy your contention that Sherman advocated for ignoring spider and rattlesnake bites, etc. You're obviously severely exaggerating and misplacing the events onto Shermans shoulders. Try taking responsibility for your own actions sometime. Nearly 50,000,000 Americans utilize chiropractic on a regular basis. It's on the threshhold of full utilization...so what gives? I see 500 pv/week.
@chiropractic47 Yeah, I forgot that chiropractic only works for appendicitis in conjunction with breast feeding! I am taking responsibility for my own actions by speaking up against the exact misinformation you are regurgitating. You first wrongly jump to conclusions that my son was vaccinated and on antibiotics. Now if he had been breast feed, he wouldn't have had appendicitis? Where is the study on that one? This is EXACTLY the kind of nonsense that will ruin us if we don't stop it.
@tony11122 You didn't know appendicitis has to do with breastfeeding? What's the appendix for? Answer: Nursery for beneficial bacteria that both digest cellulose and provides 70% of our immune response. And how do we first foster this appendix culture? Answer: The foods we eat contribute beneficial bacteria (probiotics)...mothers breast milk Ex: Unpasteurized cows milk, kafir, yogurt, raw uncooked vegetables, etc. Your son was devoid of probiotics, thus opportunists infected his appendix. Jeez?
@chiropractic47 Keep talking, that way I don't have to prove my point about this philosophical nonsense. He ate 2 "Slow Poke" suckers and swallowed several large pieces of them whole. One of the pieces didn't break up in the digestive process and lodged in the lumen.
@chiropractic47 To be truthful, if one was to buy into the straight bullshit- then it wouldn't matter what you ate, if you exercised or not, whether you were breast fed or not. All that matters is that you are adjusted and all should be good and dandy. Isnt that right Straights.
@tony11122 I went to sherman and we were never taught that appendicitis is not serious. I learned you go to MD's if you have a disease and recieve chiropractic to improve function and health.
@9pt9 I went from 1978 to 1982 and heard it in philosophy class . As a matter of fact, on one occasion the teacher made a big joke of how MD's tell you that your appendix will "blow up" when in reality it may form a little pimple on the end and if it breaks that is what the MD's mean by "blow up." His point was that MD's use scare tactics to control people even when things aren't that serious.
I still love chiropractic but I hate to see the PM people and technique peddlers in control of it.
@tony11122 Just to throw something into the mix here, Do you ultra-straight chiro preachers ( i call you preachers because you are definitely not doctors) know that BJ Palmer died of Intestinal cancer? Thats right- chiropractic's messiah got cancer- Fact. I have also read that he had surgery to get part of his colon removed (i am not sure how accurate that part is)How is that for above down inside out. I wonder why this little fact is never brought to the table.
@krzyweplecy Aside from BJ dying an "old man", he worked diligently with material that may have induced DNA mutations, i.e. not so well shielded x-ray and x-ray video flouroscopy. Look at Lance Armstrong...an avid cyclist; working his "Nuts" against the bike seat till developing testicular cancer, etc. No...you hold no smoking gun against BJ.
@tony11122 Wow you were there I'm the Reggie / gelardi days. I grad in 2000. I agree more or less with the blue book philosophy: adjustments help the body function better. I'm not antimedicine. I'm pro doing whatever u can to not need them! As far as this video goes, I don't think Chiropractors should post their financial consults to the public on YouTube.
@9pt9 Thanks for your reply and I respect your opinion. I am glad things changed since I was at Sherman. This video is ugly but it does illustrate a core problem within our profession that needs to be addressed and hopefully fixed. Chiropractors are the only ones that can fix it but sometimes it takes something like this to wake us up.
@9pt9 Actually, I authored this video and to clarify, the original video was ALREADY on youtube. So, airing our dirty laundry is embarrassing, but I'm at least airing a response TO the dirty part, not to promote the gurus teaching us how to rape our patients. And frankly, how else do we clean up the profession, when the answers from some of those here are to support the rapists? We need to drag our worst side into the light. Light cleanses. Darkness festers.
@chiropractic47 shut your face .mother fucker ass , i went to another one and he hurt my knees .now i've got back and knee problem. they all are stupid to me .they are NOT doctoers. my lawyer is taking care of this one.
@sakinehbs Sounds more like you've beaten the shit out of yourself then pushed yourself down the stairs as a means to open a lawsuit. You'de better check for surviellance cameras monitoring the area before making any claim. All I can think about is the poor chiropractic doctor who admirably tried to addresss your spines issues. Do the world a favor by tacking on a "I'm a Dip Shit Loser Who'll Sue You" to the back of your shirt to at least level the playing field while in a chiropractic office.
@chiropractic47 :You must be one of them stupid chiropractor who wish he was a Doctor!! Well all that shit you just wrote means nothing to me. All I know chiropractors are not doctors, they need to closed their little shops and stop cheating themselves and people. And look for another job. Don't send me message it will be deleted .I don't have time to read trash.
I know a lot of people don't like chiro's and of course this guy is clearly a money fiend. But one visit to the chiro fixed lack of motion and pain in my neck for years. I'm not saying they can cure cancer but it helped me a lot!
@chype Awesome for you that chiropractic helped you. Chiropractic helps your body heal from cancer due to its immune stimulating qualities. Chiropractic never claimed it cures anything. Chiropractic simply helps the body heal itsself.
@chiropractic47 Thank you! yes I found Chiropractics very helpful considering that the first visit stopped all my neck pain and tension, I could not turn my head to someone next to me very easily. Cheers :)
Nobody can predict how long it will take to make someone well. You know why? It's because nobody can accurately define what 'well' is. To restore normal function you have to restore normal structure and that can take time, but you can't 'predict' the time. You can only treat and re-evaluate while monitoring range of motion, decrease in symptoms, and post x-ray. Most chiropractors offer pain relief as their focus. Others offer spinal alignment which I prefer. I treat the cause not the symptom.
@nododon What do you mean "nobody can accurately define what "well" is??? That's nonsense. Think about your logic here...you discuss monitoring progress to determine "wellness", but then say we can't know it when we see it. When the pain is gone, alignment is usually achieved and vice versa. The chiro ADIO philosophy from school is mostly garbage. Treat for outcome, not for philosophy. Usually 2-week increments only, then re-eval. Release ASAP. The rest is hype to justify an income.
I was referring to chiropractic care, not 'wellness'. There are more factors involved in 'wellness' than just Chiropractic care. Chiropractic care is so diverse that it's anybody's guess as to what method is being used. Many techniques are so unscientific it boggles my mind. Some are even embarrassing to mention. Nutrition and emotions play a major role too. That's why I say wellness cannot be defined. Nobody agrees on what makes a person 'well'.
Techniques are interesting because some idiot technique instructor decided to teach that all techniques 'work'. Or another comment I have heard in the profession is that "it gets results".... It gets results? Define results. I guess the doctor asked the patient how they feel and they replied "Better'. That's where all the light and non-force techniques came from. DNFT, Toftness, TBM, etc. What a joke. These are for the doctors that never learned (or were too afraid) to adjust.
@nododon I would also throw any AK-based diagnostic claims and most instrument adjusting into that same bag. BEST, Ulan, Koren, Activator, SEMG, etc. I just sat through 12 CE hours of Ulan Nutritional Response Technique. OMG--where's 60 Minutes or John Stossel when you need 'em? Totally bogus voodoo. A dousing rod would be more scientific. We need to teach basic critical thought & deductive reasoning, not philosophy in chiro school.
LOL ...We would practice well together. I really don't mind the philosophy as long as it is in regards to the body's capability of healing itself. There is an argument to be made for nerve irritation resulting in electromagnetic interference that is scientific. Burl Pettibon and Don Harrison wrote about it years ago based on scientific research involving the piezoelectric effect and streaming potentials when bone is stressed abnormally. Bone has a crystalline matrix, etc.
They also showed how the Hodgkin-Huxley model for nerve transmission is flawed. It is correct in explaining the different ions that cross cell membranes but it doesn't explain the speed of motor response. The outer membrane of the nerve has a series of dipoles that ratchet like a series of magnets all at the same exact time. It is totally electromagnetic. HH theory was like wooden dominoes falling one against the other, where this new model is like the dominoes being magnets.
Sorry this is so damn long. The interesting part is that the bone under stress (like a bent crystal that runs a watch) is right in the same frequency as the nerve transmission. And another interesting thing is that bone remodels to stress as a repair mechanism. Look at an older persons kyphotic neck on x-ray and see the bone spurs. They teach us that this is a disease called osteoarthritis, but it's actually a normal response to anterior stress on the bone.
@wgagandalf007 i was beginning to fear i was the only chiropractor with his head screwed on the right way. Can't begin to tell you how many times i had to bite my lip going through chiropractic college and having to learn activator and all the other abracadabra-theres-your-problem-BS...... especially since i am a licensed PT as well.
@Epostaxis There are more "evidence-based" chiro's than you realize perhaps. The cultish side of our profession is still too dominant, but I see some signs it's getting better, albeit slowly. You need to speak up still. When junk-science CE hours are approved in your state, complain. Boycott the crap. Don't give money to zealot colleges like Life and Sherman. Write letters to the Board if they approve SEMG and other crap. Drive the stake in deep or it won't stay dead!
@Epostaxis You bacame a PT prior to DC? No wonder your head is screwed on wrong. Expecting to understand chiropractic once ones a PT is very difficult due to your allopathic brainwashing. Good Luck.
@Epostaxis Only 15% of medicine is supported by science...so what's your problem? And I suppose the testing performed by the pharmaceutical companies on their own drugs are not junk science? What a scam. MD's dish out poisonous junk that is tested by the factory. Not a laughing matter but a criminal matter.
@chiropractic47 and the percentage of chiropractic which is supported by science vastly outnumbers the measly 15% that you just pointed out, i'm sure. Hence we have therapies like networking,AK and such which have ALL proven themselves beyond any shadow of a doubt. All md's are out to do is mistreat their patients and all chiros want to do is help people... how altruistic of us. As far as scientific testing goes, chiropractic has yet a LOT to learn of your foes.
@Epostaxis Right on brother! Chiropractic is science. In fact, your ability to tap on the PC is a vivid demonstration of your wonderous nervous sytem commands exiting your brain as the CNS and ANS, traveling down and alongside the spine to your periphery. Now someone throws you against the wall and shakes your noggin a bit....Are ya gunna go to a DC for some needles, pills, or knives to "Correct" the vertebral subluxations and loss of primary curves? Or are ya gunna play the symptom game?
@Epostaxis It's not by chance that you feel lonely amongst 70,000 successful DC's who "Got The Big Idea" whilst you try to practice the Medi-Practor "Thingy". Get thee to a "Principled Chiropractic" family like "New Beginnings".
@Epostaxis If you would have identified your previous statement.... In the meantime become involved in a principled chiropractic program to get back onn track. ADIO!
@wgagandalf007 You feel lonely in chiropractic because you covet medical philosophy and its failed-deadly allopathic principles. Get thee to a "Principled Chiropractic" organization because you will definitely not make it as a "Medi-Practor".
@wgagandalf007 How did the vertebral motor units become misaligned and loss of primary curve? How long did it take the subluxation complex and loss of curve to emit symptoms? How long will it take to correct the vertebral complex and restore the primary curve? Only when you answer this accurately will you "begin" to understand "Principled Chiropractic". Until then you're a "Medi-Practor", who'll ultimately fail. (23 years Life grad., 10,000 patient files @ 500+ pv/week @ 40 new patients/month.
@petit76 All generalities are false. "All", "Every", "Each"--are evidence of a soundbite thinker. Life ain't that simple. If that is true, why would I--a chiropractor--post a video to expose the very thing that which you claim we all want? To rip off the public? If we're all charlatans, why would I be a whistle blower? The truth is just the opposite, that the majority of ethical chiro's hate these douchebags. Hence the video.
I have never had this experience and I had gone to multiple chiropractors. The only reason that I stopped going is that I started using an inversion table, along with yoga. The average cost per visit for me was 40$ and most of the time the first visit and x-rays where free. They are not all bad, but you should always shop your health care givers :)
What's so surprising about this? This is EVERY single one I've ever gone to. Not only that but they are all quacks and it wasn't until I stopped going I was healed. I ever had one commit billing fraud and charge me $400 for a 30 minute consultation in which he claimed he did electric stimuli, adjustments and stretching but never did anything except flap his lips. There were never any services only talking and he committed insurance fraud. I reported him and he's being investigated. Scum.
@lerxt42 What a bunch of bullshit!!! I've seen your credentials: Message therapist, Medical assistant, EMT. Your the unqualified Quack! Quit perusing shit trade school certificates and get a REAL degree... You are no where near as qualified as a D.C., M.D., D.O., O.D., D.P.M, Ph.D...etc. Why don't you take the time to look up what a chiropractors education actually is.
@lerxt42 the only problem there is, its the only thing i've tried so far that gives me relief from my lower back pain and siatica (sp). it acts up a little less frequent than once a year. i go for maybe 6 visits and in good to go.
my wife just got scammed by one of these "used car salesman deuche bags last week. signe her on for 250 a month for a year. It is my duty today to get out of this mess. good times.
have to pay for her treaments recieved so far. examine whatever she signed and from there cancel all the post dated checks. if she is going to be olbligated now for the whole year i'll have to call the BBB and whatever media outlet will hear the story. hopefully i don't have to go as far as to call a lawyer.
I don't know this guy or what his intentions are, what type of problems the pt has or how serious, neither do you. If you are a chiro -- live up to being a chiropractor and tell the truth about subluxation and the nerve system. What is an adjustment worth when it restores life and healing? You must not know the facts and science behind it. If you don't -- don't criticize those who do!
@draarontressler Oh boy. Another Jonestown disciple misses the point. MARKETING GIMMICKS ARE NOT CHIROPRACTIC!!! Are you saying this guys rip-offs are the "facts and science" behind chiropractic? Can't you tell the difference? When you defend a huckster selling >$3K of product on a first visit, it suggests you don't know the difference. Don't defend the money changers in the temple, and think you're defending the religion. It ought not BE a religion. R U a disciple? Or a physician?
This guy is great!! He just needs to wear an Armani suit (re: Fabrizio Mancini- the great scammer from Parker College) in order to look a bit more "successful".
bawonee1 2 months ago
Listen, been to two different chiropractors for two DIFFERENT problems. They both did the SAME damn near EXACT "adjustments". Neither did any good. Most aches and pains are soft tissue related, not bone related. Physical therapy is usually beneficial, not cracking your spine. Plus, it is VERY dangerous to violently twist your neck, doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Think about it. Hey, i was sceptical, tried it, and i stand by this comment.
er1cmaurer 3 months ago
they kill ppl. if you dont believe that then your a foul. my brother is dead because of a chiro! they need to be stopped! there not even doctors!
TheWickedangel1976 4 months ago
Uh, you dont think that surgeons and med docs do that? they say... 'You HAVE to have this to save your life!" they scare the crap you of you to have a surgery... HOW do you know you need it or even had it done properly, they ALWAYS say, "I took out your *** it was rotten... good thing we did that when we did..."
Health care... nix that... SICK care is money in the bank no matter what kinda provider you are...
BestPiperonMars 7 months ago
@BestPiperonMars So, what are you saying? That this video isn't a problem? That if you argue corruption in some medical office, it's okay in a chiropractic office too? And actually, no, most surgeons don't lie about a need for surgery as that's a pretty invasive procedure. Also surgeons have mandatory eyes looking over their shoulders, peer review, hospital rules, clear outcomes, threats of law suits, etc. So, no...bogus surgery is possible, but still far less likely. Decry! don't deny!
DocAamodt 7 months ago
This video is a fluke. It has nothing at all to do with chiropractic....not once does this KID mention anything about chiropractic— he also seems quite illiterate. This is not how chiropractors work and they would never set up a patient with 45 visits on their first visit. Don't let this garbage hinder you view about how chiropractors really conduct their practice.
chiropractic1991 8 months ago
@chiropractic1991 Don't be naive or defensive. It's ok to confront ethical issues w/o denial. This "kid" works for a chiro consultant. He mentions chiropractic the entire time. It was a training film FOR chiros! This video is a snippet. And yes--gurus and practice "consultants" DO set up patients with 45+ visits on the first visit. The whole point is to unite as DC's to REJECT this kinda chicanery. Cleaning house is the point. Not denial and naivite. DECRY! DON'T DENY!
wgagandalf007 8 months ago
I agree with this video, it makes me sick to see chiropractors leech money out of people like that. Unwarranted treatments based on nothing, no diagnosis whatsoever.
krzyweplecy 8 months ago
@krzyweplecy The day you sieze to view chiropractic as "treatments" is the day you will open your eyes to..."ChiropracTIC".
chiropractic47 8 months ago
@chiropractic47 What am I supposed to open my eyes to- anecdote? Snake oil salesmen were a thing of the past, but alas they have just renamed themselves to straight ChiropracTORs
krzyweplecy 8 months ago
@krzyweplecy You'll never be in a position to debate chiropractic as long as you covet medicines self professed as flawed "reactive" approach to health care.
chiropractic47 8 months ago
@chiropractic47 Yeah. Sure. Those medics always reacting to fractures, trauma, bullet wounds, cancer, diabetes. Who do those "reactive" quacks think they are!! High blood pressure is just a state of mind to a grounded, wise chiropracTIC doc, like you I guess. Click the atlas with an activator, muscle test their pancreas with some AK, sell them some bovine adrenals--chant the magic druid words--and voila! ChiropracTIC has saved another soul for innate. If you walk, talk like a duck...QUACK
wgagandalf007 8 months ago
@wgagandalf007 My aunt died two years ago from a quack MD who placed her on too large a dose of coumadin. Viva Chiropractic!
chiropractic47 8 months ago
@chiropractic47 That's too bad. Sorry for your loss. Drugs can be dangerous. I'm not sure how that is a plus for chiropractic, since they seem two different thoughts. One can mourn a medical mistake, without seeing a juxtaposition kudo for chiropractic, I think. Last I knew, spinal manipulation does not thin blood so sounds like her core problem was not a chiropractic issue.
wgagandalf007 7 months ago
@wgagandalf007 Google "Chiropractic spinal adjustments affect blood values".
chiropractic47 7 months ago
@chiropractic47 Ummm...no they don't. Blood chemistry, especially pH has never been shown to be affected by spinal subluxations. Now, maybe you could make the case for blood pressure?? via the autonomic nervous system, at least in theory. Is that what you meant? But the blood chemistry itself is not a function of the nervous system. If so quadraplegics would be in big trouble. I see you put your comment in "quotations", but quote marks don't make it a fact.
wgagandalf007 7 months ago
@wgagandalf007 Er, yes they (spinal adjustments affecting blood values via the CNS and ANS) may; Dynamic Chiropractic May 6, 2011. You both; don't understand how the body is made, how it works, what it needs to survive, and grossly underestimate the power and value of specific scientific spinal adjutments. You mention; the nervous system has no function or control over blood chemistry. How far from the truth can this be? Try: "Emotional stress affecs cortisol levels in the blood". Bye, bye!
chiropractic47 7 months ago
@chiropractic47 Cortisol and adrenaline are HORMONES made in the adrenals. The hormones have the effect on the blood, not the nerves. The nerve itself has no qualitative effect on blood chemistry. I already said the ANS affects blood pressure and hormones. Which vertebra do you adjust to affect the emotions? Since quadraplegics have no spinal nerve activity, how do you explain the continued function of their adrenal glands (cortisol)?
wgagandalf007 7 months ago
@wgagandalf007 Exactly...thank you. Cortisol and adrenalin made their way into the bloodstream via stimulation of the nervous system. As you're aware, organs don't indiscriminately release their hormones or blood constituents. The nervous system signals the release of hormones into the bloodstream as well as the blood's constituents. Did you read Dynamic Chiropractic's research on this? Did you read the research revealing the immmencse release of white blood cells following an adjustment?
chiropractic47 7 months ago
@wgagandalf007 I googled your phrase. Did NOT pull up a single hit for blood values or chemistry. Some theoretical concepts on blood pressure. No scientific studies. No peer-reviewed articles. Sorry. I think your aunt would NOT have been saved by toggling her atlas. Even the activator "life-click" would likely not have helped. BTW, if chiropractic solved all, why do chiro's die? Shouldn't we live longer if our spines are perfectly aligned? But our demographics are the same as most. ???
wgagandalf007 7 months ago
@chiropractic47 Huh? "Seize to view"?? What do you mean? Do you mean "cease to view chiropractic as treatments?" If so, your point is still weird. To deliver chiroprac"TIC" still requires something called "case management." (It's a medical term--look it up.) Case management still requires ETHICS. (It's in the dictionary--you can look it up too.) Chiro gurus like this don't use either term. Open YOUR eyes. Spit out the kool-aid. Reject unethical idiots like this chiro "trainer."
wgagandalf007 8 months ago
@wgagandalf007 "It's a medical term-look it up"...Look what we have here; a medically oriented doctor of chiropractic AKA "Medipractor". So you prefer to subjugate chiropractic's rehabilitation of the spine to medicine's case management protocols? This what they taught you in chiro-med school. "Mrs. Jones, your symptoms have abated in just eight visits (though the reversal of the cervical curve persists). Come back when your symptoms return. The vid is for trainers not chiro's...jerk.
chiropractic47 7 months ago
@chiropractic47 Maybe you didn't realize but 100% of your anatomy and physiology training at Life (if there was any) used medical terms. Femur. Sternum. Ulna, and other bones, or as you called them "those stiff white things inside your body." "Case Management" is the word that applies in English. Or what you may call your "money-scamming-management." The vid is for TRAINING chiros...idiot. Use your cerebrum (med term) not just your oral cavity (med term). Learn to cogitate (med term.)
wgagandalf007 7 months ago
@wgagandalf007 I think the correct area would be prefrontal cortex for thinking, wernike's, broca's and the prefrontal gyrus for talking.
Don't try to show off when you know nothing.
cameosam 4 months ago
HONEST CHIROPRATORS? ALL OF THEM ARE QUACKS. IVE BEEN TO MANY OVER THE PAST FEW DECADES, ALL WERE RIP OFF BASTARDS.
1IIIIIIIIII1 9 months ago
@1IIIIIIIIII1 All generalities are false. That is an oxymoron. Moron. It may be over your head. Thank about it.
wgagandalf007 7 months ago
@wgagandalf007 KEEP QUACKIN AWAY RIP OFF BOY.....BEATS WORKIN FOR A LIVIN... AND IF YOU HAVE NO PRINCIPLES TO KEEP YOU AWAKE AT NIGHT, EASY MONEY
1IIIIIIIIII1 7 months ago
@wgagandalf007 i'd go to a legitimate doctor.
cameosam 4 months ago
@1IIIIIIIIII1 How honest is a doctor who prescribes an antidepressant for a headache without the patient knowing. Clearly this fellow is ignorant to how the body works and how well it can adapt to stresses. Guess what... chronic stresses such as hypomobile joints and "guarding" intrinsic postural muscles have negative implications biomechanical and neurological. Manipulation has shown to be very beneficial in MSK conditions. Further more MDs DOs PTs use manipulation adjustments as well.
PublicTruth 2 days ago
I commend you for posting this video. I myself was turned off of chiropractic by the way the chiros I visited conducted business. If more Chiros like you tried to do right by their patients, the profession would have a better reputation
workingstiff76 10 months ago
@workingstiff76 Thanks.
wgagandalf007 8 months ago
Principle #18, which BJ written over 75 years ago, rings clear to this day whilst allopathy and medipractors wish to suppress. You got it flipped; while he and a few others were thinking in the terms of the principles of life possesing innate intelligence that self regulates; above-down-inside-out, allopathy was well underway in the opposite direction...outside-in. Perhaps you one of those gadget guys?...Like an allopath...the human body is too complicated for simplistic ideas and approaches.
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 I find nothing "profound" is his #18 stating: "The signs of life are evidence of the intelligence of life." I guess that's true, but so what. I learned that as a 5 year old in Sunday School. It's just pap and fluff. I cited #18 as just an example. His other 32 are often just as mundane. B.J. was many things. A deep thinking philosophical genius was not one of them. Most of us know about homeostasis--even the MD's. "Innate" is no "new" thing. Much ado about nothing new.
wgagandalf007 11 months ago
@wgagandalf007 You continue to ignore that BJ made these statements in the early part of the last century. At that time till relatively recently the AMA in cahoots with the govt. was prosecuting both the chiropractic and osteopathic professions. Innate intelligence was a dirty word and continues to remain a dirty word within the medical-pharmaceutical complex. Homeostasis is germane to all the health professions, it's arriving at homeostasis that behooves medicine. Innate is old news to chiro.
chiropractic47 11 months ago
Good folks who happened upon this aweful vid. Produced by a failed in practice DC. Chiropractic opologizes for it offending you. I offered to mentor the author into becoming a successful principled doctor of chiropractic. He was born, raised, and refuses to let go the teet of the failed allopathic paradigm. For now he covets his medical mimcry, relying on its turpitude for chiropractic in guiding him to allopathics anti-chiropractic stilleto. Pray for his soul and those who come to rely on him.
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 What an ego! You apologize for the video offending people?? Why don't you apologize FOR the video which shows the scam against the people? Idiot. Why would I, already 29 years in a very successful practice, want you to "mentor" me? As for my "turpitude...on the anti-chiro stiletto" I'll just have to take my chances. Newsflash: The video shows a scam artist. I exposed it. That is NOT anti-chiropractic, fool. The danger is idiots like you that don't know the difference.
wgagandalf007 11 months ago
@wgagandalf007 The video gives instruction on how to close a financial committment between doctor and practice member. Near-exact instruction is given to dentists, MD's, etc. who provide a wonderfully affordable means to circumvent the financial restrictions of insurance companies. Avoiding appropriate corrective chiropractic care can be dangerous, debilitating, and costly. You practice from the well-outdated "Band-aid Allopathic Symptomatic Care" mode. Change is tough and hard, but necessary.
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 One more thing, while the "good folks" are praying for my soul, could they also pray that chiropractic can attract a better crop of chiros. So the current idiots who insist on defending immoral, scam-artist chiropractic gurus might one day be replaced by DC's who realize you improve the profession when you teach ethics, honesty, and science more than just anti-medical chiropractic philosophy and hucksterism. These current Jonestown dolts are beyond salvation. Pray hard!!!!
wgagandalf007 11 months ago
Who counts success by how quickly patients get better, not by how long it takes? If you equate the longer someone's in your care, and the longer it takes you to fix them with "success", then this video applies to you. You have it backwards. Do you go to a dentist hoping he'll take as long as possible to fix your teeth? Do you hope your surgeon counts success by how long he keeps you on the operating table? Idiots. Catch and release and they'll come back cuz you're honest. Stop raping.
wgagandalf007 11 months ago
@wgagandalf007 "Fix" them?! What? Are you the "Medical Mimicry" poster boy? "How long does it take to fix them?" So "fix" is what it all boils down to you? What happened to restore proper function and maintain this state of being? Oh my god! What have they/you done to you/yourself? The people want correction then wellness care buck-o. The old "I'm allright your allright" allopathic paradigm is on the way out. Adapt or get out of the way. Why don't you just burn your diploma for chiropractic?
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 You mean you can't restore function in weeks or months? It takes you years?? Reeeaaalllyyy? Wow. It only takes me a short duration, of certainly no more than a few months for the average patient. What are you doing wrong? Just clicking 'em with the activator gun? I hope your patients don't figure out how badly they're being ripped off. Maybe you need more ADIO juice from the innate God? Do you pray to the chiro God nightly? Try that.
wgagandalf007 11 months ago
@wgagandalf007 I don't know where you went to school or who's influencing you in a most irrational way. How long does it take to restore a reversal of the cervical lordosis? You insist this can be accomplished in "...weeks or months..." If you can reverse a reversal of the cervical lordosis in a matter of weeks or a few months then you certainly deserve the Nobel Prize. ... It took years to reverse the cervical lordosis and the average of a year to restore or bring some semblanse of a lordosis.
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 Palmer. Many people don't have perfect curves. Very few adults benefit from trying to undo the bodies adaptation due to posture, weight, lifestyle, etc. Adaptation is natural. And even if the myth were true, you're using a small example as if it explains eternal treatment plans on EVERYONE. If you truly have 5% of kyphotic neck patients, why are 100% of your patients on eternal treatment plans? I've seen the shell game too long to let your sleight of hand pull that trick.
wgagandalf007 11 months ago
@wgagandalf007 Allowing the failed physics of unrestorable spinal curves will eventually lead to debilitating deterioration of involved vertebral motor units and their adjacent neural structures. Providing periodic spinal adjustments slows what you deem inevitable. Wake up chiropracTOR! Periodic spinal adjustments also move lymph, release sub dermal adhesions, maintain vertebral juxtapositions, stimulate afferent and efferent receptors, etc. Thinking in a box yields the confines of the box.
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 I hear you regurgitating platitudes straight from a Renaissance style brochure, yet you think I'm the one who can't think outside of the box? But you missed the point. I said that even if we grant the "restored curve" theory for kyphotic cases, how does that justify putting all your patients on eternal care programs? You know that is EXACTLY what happens in patient-mill practices. Hypocrisy. Or do ALL patients have reversed neck curves? Note these angry DC's make no caveat.
wgagandalf007 11 months ago
@wgagandalf007 You know...as that you are a DC I didn't believe you would miss the point of how people sustain reversal or diminishment of primary curves, or how they sustain vertebral subluxations. How are people to know if these health situations arise if they weren't periodically monitored? And what about all the other vital health information that is to be conveyed to practice members? Ahhh! Got ya thinking....
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 ...And to clarify as you seem to misunderstand. I've always accepted "periodic spinal adjustments." Nothing I've ever said in all these exchanges was against APPROPRIATE wellness care when evidence-based and justified. But that was not the point of the video. That showed a first visit, young woman, manipulating words, projected out for 6 months of care on the initial visit. That's not "periodic" care. That's a set up on how to manipulate for compliance and abuse.
wgagandalf007 11 months ago
@wgagandalf007 You don't make sense: You approve of periodic wellness adjustments but disapprove of everyone recieving spinal adjustments as a means to prevent spinal/neural issues? Wanna "Have your cake and eat it too"?
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 I think it's quite clear. You need to read up on "evidence-based" case management concepts, also called "best-practice" care. I am against high volume, 2 minute, patient mills. Usually activator based placebo care w/ eternal care plans based on making money, not clinical criteria. We have a cancer in the profession. Some have made it a cult/religion which is scary. "Wellness" is sometimes an excuse for raping the wallet. Quality, not quantity care.
wgagandalf007 11 months ago
@wgagandalf007 And let's take a look at who establishes what chiropractics "evidence-based" case mangagement: Medipractors and allopaths! Your model (medicpractic) doesn't fit the "ChiropracTIC" tenet but rather that of the Physical Therapy model. If your going to take more than 5 minutes to determine subluxation then spinal adjustment then you're well on your way of thinking of how to "Therapize" the fallout of the vertebral subluxation complex with massage, EMS/US, etc. Read the 33 principles.
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 I do take more than 5 minutes in patient care. I didn't realize that was "bad". As for the "33 Principles" of BJ Palmer--the few that are true are simply restating the concept of "homeostasis", repackaged by BJ as if he were discovering something "new." Balderdash. The majority are just stupid and trite. Example: "#18. Evidence of Life - The signs of life are evidence of the intelligence of life." Meaningless drivel in guise of feigning profundity. Simplistic and trivial.
wgagandalf007 11 months ago
@wgagandalf007 You see? You did it again....missing the meaning of the basic tenet (33 Principles) of chiropractic. Principle #18 was meant to be a "stepping stone" leading to ones realization and acceptance that "Life" has intelligence...to monitor and self regulate; maintain homeostasis. BJ was compelled to lay it out so this fact can be conveyed to the human body. To this day allopathy brainwashed the populace to accept that the body can't regulate itsself thus not maintain homeostasis...
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 I already said he repeated the homeostasis theme, as if he'd discovered something known only to him. I cited $18 as an example of new-age tritism. "Where's the Beef?" If you're impressed with the simplistic observations, which I found unimpressive, more power to you.
wgagandalf007 11 months ago
The vid's author wishes to convey his personal feelings that: Chiropractic should follow the allopathic model of "Reactive" or better known as "Sick Care". As you're aware this model has failed miserably as well as financially broken the United States. Like most, the author was raised medically and now feels sucking the ass hole of medicine will cause his inclusion into their "Sickness Care" paradigm. MD's have entered chiropractic's "Wellness Care" revolution and now see the "Light" of change.
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 (Sigh) The problem is the cost of tech, drugs, malpractice, R&D, etc. Nor is it just "reactive" care. The medical model has always had both proactive and reactive. What do you think immunizations, stop smoking programs, emphasis on diet and exercise--are all about? They have entire fields dedicated to preventive and wellness. Think for yourself, without the anti-medical propaganda of Life College gurus. NEWS FLASH: Wellness care was not invented by chiropractors.
wgagandalf007 11 months ago
@wgagandalf007 What!? Vaccinations are preventative care? When vaccinations prevent our children from developing into healthy adults whilst they develop inadequate immune response leading to asthma, allergies, ulcerative colitis, etc. and broad spectrum disorders like autism and aspergers? These were all foriegn to us before 1989, from here on the vaccine schedule was more than tripled and so has the mahem that ensued. Chiropractic for all!
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 Do you know the definition of "preventive care"? Of course vaccinations fit that definition. You've been poisoned with anti-med propaganda. Conspiracy theories are crap. Do some real research. Don't cite amateur soap-box drivel. I weep for the ignorance in our profession. Nor were any of these problems "foreign to us before 1989." Hogwash. There will always be bad reactions, even to strawberries and peanuts. But your POV is cult-like. No wonder DC's are laughed at.
wgagandalf007 11 months ago
@wgagandalf007 "...vaqccinations..." Speaking of "You've been poisoned" LOL! Now come on now medic.You know better than bring up the "V" word, especially when millions of parents are seething in anger over vaccine injuries. You're a "...bad reactions...". LOL! Loser! Corrective then wellness chiropractic care for all!
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@wgagandalf007 So all this altruistic "Welness Care" efforts of medicine that you cite is presumably working? LOL! I'd feel a bit like a shmuck to believe this admist of the 800,000 Americans who die each year due to medical care. Please reconsider to save face. "News Flash" chiropractic leads the Wellness Revolution.Tell me you beg to differ...sigh.
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 You inflate your figures and don't cite your magic rounded number. See Iatrogenesis on wikipedia for a valid estimate less than 1/3rd that. Chiro's probably see 1 to 4% of patient visits in this country. We treat non-life threatening problems. Of course the 96 to 99% of more serious med needs will generate much higher failures for allopaths. Apples to Oranges. But the issue here is ethics, not risk factors. If our ethics fail in this vid, say so. Don't defend it!
wgagandalf007 11 months ago
@wgagandalf007 Not only does your ethics fail in this vid, but so does your complete understanding of the spine and its relationship to the nervous system! Your must be a loser- failed in practice chiropractor. "We treat non-life-threatening problems"? What?! What happens when the deeper fibers of nerve roots or autonomic ganglia supplying organs are irritated? You dip shit! Why and how did you get through chiro. school? You're despicable! Corrective and wellness chiropractic care for all!
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 Wait...MY ethics fail in this video? You do realize I'm not in this video, right? And since in the entire history of the world there has never been a death certificate listing "Spinal Subluxation" as the cause of death, it seems the idiot here is you talking about death by "irritated nerve root ganglia". Perhaps you needed to get through more than Chiro school. You never learned critical thinking. You are a Life Jonestown disciple who likes the grape kool-aid. Grow a brain.
wgagandalf007 11 months ago
@wgagandalf007 The failure of your ethics pales to your lack of adequate understanding as to how the body is made, how it works, and what it needs to survive. Vertebral subluxations can and do kill. Do our organs just sit in their prospective places and just "do" their jobs? Or is does nervous system which runs within and along the spine providing the critical electrical signals causing them to operate properly? Shame on you! It makes me sick that you earned a DC. What a shame and sham you are..
chiropractic47 11 months ago
What?! A chiropractic assistant (CA) complaining to the world because he was fired by the chiropractic doctor? Chiropractic is the leader of the "WEllNESS" revolution. Wellness means the correction and maintenance of the human body. This shmuck of a CA didn't get "it". He mentions "Watch out for DC's who advize "Continued care folowing the resoulution of symptoms or condition". Is this saying DC's addresses "conditons" and "symptoms"? He didn't "Get the Big Idea"...just a cheap medic. ADIO!
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 Is that the "Big Idea" of the "Big Con"? The issue in this clip is unethical business practice and hustling for money, under the guise of "wellness". You are likely a Sherman/Life grad since you seem to think chiro's should not treat "conditions and symptoms". You've drunk the kool-aid, I fear. Best-care is "evidence-based" not philosophy based care. Granted, it's not ONLY based on pain. But is MUST be based on clinical need. The cult days need to end if we want to growup.
wgagandalf007 11 months ago
@wgagandalf007 Horseshit! Never mind you not getting "The Big Idea", you missed the entire "Point". Chiropractic understands how the body's made, how it works, and what it needs to survive. Damn right I went to "Life" (the worlds highest enrollment and largest campus) whilst North Western (low enrollment), Cleveland (which closed its LA. campus due to medi-practoring lowering its enrollment, or National (the same low enrollment) suffer the fate from their medi-practoring. Shut this vid down!
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 I hardly think you can accuse Palmer of not teaching the "Point". And you're brave to brag about going to Life, the most shame ridden of all--with founder narcissist Sid Williams raping the school with comical nepotism for years, and losing accreditation. Why would I shut this vid down? If you see nothing shameful in it, why shut it down? Aren't you proud of life-time maintenance care, like Life taught you? If you're a crook, be outrageous, like Sid! Big, bold & brazen!
wgagandalf007 11 months ago
@wgagandalf007 What! MD's now advocate for wellness med care. So what's up? Because your momma took ya to the MD for sniffles and sneezes (Reactive Care) instead of preventative care (Proactive Care) isn't our fault. You want to advocate for "Reactive Care", the most expensive and failed method of "unhealth" care...go on and do it man. Otherwise lay it out as I did, then shut up and let the intelligent/informed choose "Proactive" chiropractic corrective then maintenance care. Your vid failed.
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@wgagandalf007 Do you get adjusted regularly whether symptoms are present or not?
9pt9 11 months ago
@9pt9 Do you mean do I get 45 adjustments, 3 re-exams and repeat x-rays for $3,249? Why are you equating some occasional preventive care (fine) with teaching chiropractors how to rip off their patients like in this video? Don't you realize that when you defend a con-artist, talking about how to psychologically manipulate patients, that you show to the world that YOU don't know the difference? How does that fail to register with you?
wgagandalf007 11 months ago
@wgagandalf007 First off I agree that his financial consult sucks. It should not be on youtube for the public to see. I think you should remove this video as it doesnt help our image Secondly, I have no problem recommending 45 visits or whatever the patient needs. If he's practicing CBP and is adjusting for curve restoration with traction there is no way that can be accomplished in 2-3weeks. What's wrong with doing re-exams and taking post x-rays to moniter results?
9pt9 11 months ago
@9pt9 Agreed on this vids exposing the contents of Financial Consultation. Symptom chiropractic care works just as well as symptom medical care...both have poor outcomes.
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@wgagandalf007 Wait! The vid is teaching people to pay up front for a huge discount on corrective phase of care. How many times do you want them to pull $30 copays from their wallets? Do you expect them to pay several thousands of dolars for a much necessary 60 visit correc care schedule? My office provides corrective care schedules that boil down to $15 of comprehensive care per visit. They love it! They ask me how I expect to make a living. I remind them that everyone needs chiropractic care.
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 Funny how "corrective care" always seem to equal a nice round number, predictable on the first visit, with the money plucked "up front" from their wallets or put on VISA when they have yet to figure out the scam. Get them when they're most vulnerable, have no evidence of the illusion of "correcting" their many-decade curve or scoliosis, etc. Up-front CC is a scam sold by megapractice gurus. It's usually a lie and a scheme. Bodies are dynamic and more is not better care. Scam.
wgagandalf007 11 months ago
@wgagandalf007 The millions of people continue to demand corrective then wellness chiropractic care as "your kind" rants- rock back and forth in their feces. My office was packed from 8 a.m till noon today. Practice members brought their friends and family. Time is leaving you in the dust...be well loser. Corrective then wellness chiropractic for all!
chiropractic47 11 months ago
I am a D.C. and I thank you for putting this up. I graduated from Sherman. Our profession is full of practice management plan pushers and technique peddlers and it makes me sick. Unfortunately, IMHO it looks like Practice Management people control the chiropractic publications by way of their advertising dollars and therefore are able to set a lot of standards for our profession. I do see some overdue changes beginning but it is slow. I encourage other D.C.'s to speak up and demand change.
tony11122 1 year ago
@tony11122 You're on the right track. Glad to see a colleague with a clear view of the issues.
wgagandalf007 11 months ago
@wgagandalf007 Infamou words from a failed chiropractor. You never "Got It" and likely never will. Corrective and maintenance chiropractic care for all!
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 I notice you usually end all your rants with "maintenance chiropractic care for all!" That is so cute. Do you thrust your right fist up in the air, and follow it with "woo hoo!!". Are you doing the Will Ferrell gag on SNL as a Spartan Cheerleader? I must have missed the day they covered "fanatical-ultra-cult-discipleship" cheers in chiropractic college. Let me try; EVIDENCE-BASED CHIRO CARE FOR ALL! WOO-HOO! (Fist thrust!!) Hey... you're right. I feel fulfilled now!!
wgagandalf007 11 months ago
@wgagandalf007 You know...I think your beginning to get it. Give the people who come to your office specific scientific chiropractic spinal adjustments for both corrective and maintenance care...Go on...Throw a little Will Ferrell in there too. LOL! Peace and corrective and wellness chiropractic care for all!
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@tony11122 Sherman rolls in his grave from ass wipe failed DC's of your type. My good buddy gaduated from Sherman and never would cave in to your medic ideology. Shame on you medipractor! Corrective then maintenance chiropractic care for all!
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 My son almost died from peritonitis due to my my own ignorance in the belief that by keeping him adjusted, he would get well without medical help. Thank God for the surgeon that pulled him through that after I finally woke up. I was taught that appendicitis was not that serious at Sherman. Before that happened to me, I was probably just as full of fire for chiropractic philosophy as you are. Life has a way of teaching us lessons along the way. Good luck on your journey.
tony11122 11 months ago
@tony11122 Chiropractic schools don't teach not to refer peritonitis. Whoever taught you to ignore this very serious position is not on track. Chiropractic doesn't directly address infections but helps prevent them in the first place; by clearing the nervous system and instructing on proper lifestyle, which brings us back to your son...he was very young, vaccinated, and antibioticated...here's where things went wrong. My four breast fed, unvaccinated, adjusted children have stellar health.
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 My son was 12, NOT vaccinated, and had never been on any antibiotic. I bought the philosophy hook, line, and sinker like you! I personally sat through several lectures at Sherman where the instructor lectured on just how stupid it was for people to get overly excited about appendicitis, fevers in children, rattlesnake bites, spider bites, etc. I am glad your children are healthy and I hope you never have to go through what I went through.
tony11122 11 months ago
@tony11122 Your son wasn't breast fed. This in its self allows for an insufficient immune response. INo one would buy your contention that Sherman advocated for ignoring spider and rattlesnake bites, etc. You're obviously severely exaggerating and misplacing the events onto Shermans shoulders. Try taking responsibility for your own actions sometime. Nearly 50,000,000 Americans utilize chiropractic on a regular basis. It's on the threshhold of full utilization...so what gives? I see 500 pv/week.
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 Yeah, I forgot that chiropractic only works for appendicitis in conjunction with breast feeding! I am taking responsibility for my own actions by speaking up against the exact misinformation you are regurgitating. You first wrongly jump to conclusions that my son was vaccinated and on antibiotics. Now if he had been breast feed, he wouldn't have had appendicitis? Where is the study on that one? This is EXACTLY the kind of nonsense that will ruin us if we don't stop it.
tony11122 11 months ago
@tony11122 You didn't know appendicitis has to do with breastfeeding? What's the appendix for? Answer: Nursery for beneficial bacteria that both digest cellulose and provides 70% of our immune response. And how do we first foster this appendix culture? Answer: The foods we eat contribute beneficial bacteria (probiotics)...mothers breast milk Ex: Unpasteurized cows milk, kafir, yogurt, raw uncooked vegetables, etc. Your son was devoid of probiotics, thus opportunists infected his appendix. Jeez?
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 Keep talking, that way I don't have to prove my point about this philosophical nonsense. He ate 2 "Slow Poke" suckers and swallowed several large pieces of them whole. One of the pieces didn't break up in the digestive process and lodged in the lumen.
tony11122 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 To be truthful, if one was to buy into the straight bullshit- then it wouldn't matter what you ate, if you exercised or not, whether you were breast fed or not. All that matters is that you are adjusted and all should be good and dandy. Isnt that right Straights.
krzyweplecy 8 months ago
@tony11122 I went to sherman and we were never taught that appendicitis is not serious. I learned you go to MD's if you have a disease and recieve chiropractic to improve function and health.
9pt9 11 months ago
@9pt9 I went from 1978 to 1982 and heard it in philosophy class . As a matter of fact, on one occasion the teacher made a big joke of how MD's tell you that your appendix will "blow up" when in reality it may form a little pimple on the end and if it breaks that is what the MD's mean by "blow up." His point was that MD's use scare tactics to control people even when things aren't that serious.
I still love chiropractic but I hate to see the PM people and technique peddlers in control of it.
tony11122 11 months ago
@tony11122 Just to throw something into the mix here, Do you ultra-straight chiro preachers ( i call you preachers because you are definitely not doctors) know that BJ Palmer died of Intestinal cancer? Thats right- chiropractic's messiah got cancer- Fact. I have also read that he had surgery to get part of his colon removed (i am not sure how accurate that part is)How is that for above down inside out. I wonder why this little fact is never brought to the table.
krzyweplecy 8 months ago
@krzyweplecy I don't have any information on whether that is true or not either. But it wouldn't surprise me if it was true.
tony11122 8 months ago
@krzyweplecy Aside from BJ dying an "old man", he worked diligently with material that may have induced DNA mutations, i.e. not so well shielded x-ray and x-ray video flouroscopy. Look at Lance Armstrong...an avid cyclist; working his "Nuts" against the bike seat till developing testicular cancer, etc. No...you hold no smoking gun against BJ.
chiropractic47 8 months ago
@tony11122 Wow you were there I'm the Reggie / gelardi days. I grad in 2000. I agree more or less with the blue book philosophy: adjustments help the body function better. I'm not antimedicine. I'm pro doing whatever u can to not need them! As far as this video goes, I don't think Chiropractors should post their financial consults to the public on YouTube.
9pt9 11 months ago
@9pt9 Thanks for your reply and I respect your opinion. I am glad things changed since I was at Sherman. This video is ugly but it does illustrate a core problem within our profession that needs to be addressed and hopefully fixed. Chiropractors are the only ones that can fix it but sometimes it takes something like this to wake us up.
tony11122 11 months ago
@9pt9 Actually, I authored this video and to clarify, the original video was ALREADY on youtube. So, airing our dirty laundry is embarrassing, but I'm at least airing a response TO the dirty part, not to promote the gurus teaching us how to rape our patients. And frankly, how else do we clean up the profession, when the answers from some of those here are to support the rapists? We need to drag our worst side into the light. Light cleanses. Darkness festers.
DocAamodt 7 months ago
i don't trust any of you, i went to one ,he hurt me so bad after 5 years i'm still in pain.
sakinehbs 1 year ago
@sakinehbs Go to another chiropractor you pussy! An MD killed my father...now that really hurts....
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 shut your face .mother fucker ass , i went to another one and he hurt my knees .now i've got back and knee problem. they all are stupid to me .they are NOT doctoers. my lawyer is taking care of this one.
sakinehbs 11 months ago
@sakinehbs Sounds more like you've beaten the shit out of yourself then pushed yourself down the stairs as a means to open a lawsuit. You'de better check for surviellance cameras monitoring the area before making any claim. All I can think about is the poor chiropractic doctor who admirably tried to addresss your spines issues. Do the world a favor by tacking on a "I'm a Dip Shit Loser Who'll Sue You" to the back of your shirt to at least level the playing field while in a chiropractic office.
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 :You must be one of them stupid chiropractor who wish he was a Doctor!! Well all that shit you just wrote means nothing to me. All I know chiropractors are not doctors, they need to closed their little shops and stop cheating themselves and people. And look for another job. Don't send me message it will be deleted .I don't have time to read trash.
sakinehbs 11 months ago
@sakinehbs OOOOOh...sounds like someones jealous of chiropractic doctors...how cute of you! Corrective then wellness chiropractic care for all!
chiropractic47 11 months ago
I know a lot of people don't like chiro's and of course this guy is clearly a money fiend. But one visit to the chiro fixed lack of motion and pain in my neck for years. I'm not saying they can cure cancer but it helped me a lot!
chype 1 year ago
@chype Awesome for you that chiropractic helped you. Chiropractic helps your body heal from cancer due to its immune stimulating qualities. Chiropractic never claimed it cures anything. Chiropractic simply helps the body heal itsself.
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 Thank you! yes I found Chiropractics very helpful considering that the first visit stopped all my neck pain and tension, I could not turn my head to someone next to me very easily. Cheers :)
chype 11 months ago
This queer is probably selling timeshares now!
le238man 1 year ago
Nobody can predict how long it will take to make someone well. You know why? It's because nobody can accurately define what 'well' is. To restore normal function you have to restore normal structure and that can take time, but you can't 'predict' the time. You can only treat and re-evaluate while monitoring range of motion, decrease in symptoms, and post x-ray. Most chiropractors offer pain relief as their focus. Others offer spinal alignment which I prefer. I treat the cause not the symptom.
nododon 1 year ago
@nododon What do you mean "nobody can accurately define what "well" is??? That's nonsense. Think about your logic here...you discuss monitoring progress to determine "wellness", but then say we can't know it when we see it. When the pain is gone, alignment is usually achieved and vice versa. The chiro ADIO philosophy from school is mostly garbage. Treat for outcome, not for philosophy. Usually 2-week increments only, then re-eval. Release ASAP. The rest is hype to justify an income.
wgagandalf007 1 year ago
@wgagandalf007
I was referring to chiropractic care, not 'wellness'. There are more factors involved in 'wellness' than just Chiropractic care. Chiropractic care is so diverse that it's anybody's guess as to what method is being used. Many techniques are so unscientific it boggles my mind. Some are even embarrassing to mention. Nutrition and emotions play a major role too. That's why I say wellness cannot be defined. Nobody agrees on what makes a person 'well'.
nododon 1 year ago
@wgagandalf007
Techniques are interesting because some idiot technique instructor decided to teach that all techniques 'work'. Or another comment I have heard in the profession is that "it gets results".... It gets results? Define results. I guess the doctor asked the patient how they feel and they replied "Better'. That's where all the light and non-force techniques came from. DNFT, Toftness, TBM, etc. What a joke. These are for the doctors that never learned (or were too afraid) to adjust.
nododon 1 year ago
@nododon I would also throw any AK-based diagnostic claims and most instrument adjusting into that same bag. BEST, Ulan, Koren, Activator, SEMG, etc. I just sat through 12 CE hours of Ulan Nutritional Response Technique. OMG--where's 60 Minutes or John Stossel when you need 'em? Totally bogus voodoo. A dousing rod would be more scientific. We need to teach basic critical thought & deductive reasoning, not philosophy in chiro school.
wgagandalf007 1 year ago
@wgagandalf007
LOL ...We would practice well together. I really don't mind the philosophy as long as it is in regards to the body's capability of healing itself. There is an argument to be made for nerve irritation resulting in electromagnetic interference that is scientific. Burl Pettibon and Don Harrison wrote about it years ago based on scientific research involving the piezoelectric effect and streaming potentials when bone is stressed abnormally. Bone has a crystalline matrix, etc.
nododon 1 year ago
@wgagandalf007
They also showed how the Hodgkin-Huxley model for nerve transmission is flawed. It is correct in explaining the different ions that cross cell membranes but it doesn't explain the speed of motor response. The outer membrane of the nerve has a series of dipoles that ratchet like a series of magnets all at the same exact time. It is totally electromagnetic. HH theory was like wooden dominoes falling one against the other, where this new model is like the dominoes being magnets.
nododon 1 year ago
@wgagandalf007
Sorry this is so damn long. The interesting part is that the bone under stress (like a bent crystal that runs a watch) is right in the same frequency as the nerve transmission. And another interesting thing is that bone remodels to stress as a repair mechanism. Look at an older persons kyphotic neck on x-ray and see the bone spurs. They teach us that this is a disease called osteoarthritis, but it's actually a normal response to anterior stress on the bone.
nododon 1 year ago
@wgagandalf007
My last continuing ed seminar was with Tim O'Shea on vaccines. Well worth the time and cost for 12 CE units.
nododon 1 year ago
@wgagandalf007 i was beginning to fear i was the only chiropractor with his head screwed on the right way. Can't begin to tell you how many times i had to bite my lip going through chiropractic college and having to learn activator and all the other abracadabra-theres-your-problem-BS...... especially since i am a licensed PT as well.
Epostaxis 1 year ago
@Epostaxis There are more "evidence-based" chiro's than you realize perhaps. The cultish side of our profession is still too dominant, but I see some signs it's getting better, albeit slowly. You need to speak up still. When junk-science CE hours are approved in your state, complain. Boycott the crap. Don't give money to zealot colleges like Life and Sherman. Write letters to the Board if they approve SEMG and other crap. Drive the stake in deep or it won't stay dead!
wgagandalf007 1 year ago
@Epostaxis You bacame a PT prior to DC? No wonder your head is screwed on wrong. Expecting to understand chiropractic once ones a PT is very difficult due to your allopathic brainwashing. Good Luck.
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 haha, "allopathic brainwashing" that's rich. I prefer to call it randomized double blind testing. Talk science, not religion.
Epostaxis 11 months ago
@Epostaxis Only 15% of medicine is supported by science...so what's your problem? And I suppose the testing performed by the pharmaceutical companies on their own drugs are not junk science? What a scam. MD's dish out poisonous junk that is tested by the factory. Not a laughing matter but a criminal matter.
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 and the percentage of chiropractic which is supported by science vastly outnumbers the measly 15% that you just pointed out, i'm sure. Hence we have therapies like networking,AK and such which have ALL proven themselves beyond any shadow of a doubt. All md's are out to do is mistreat their patients and all chiros want to do is help people... how altruistic of us. As far as scientific testing goes, chiropractic has yet a LOT to learn of your foes.
Epostaxis 11 months ago
@Epostaxis Right on brother! Chiropractic is science. In fact, your ability to tap on the PC is a vivid demonstration of your wonderous nervous sytem commands exiting your brain as the CNS and ANS, traveling down and alongside the spine to your periphery. Now someone throws you against the wall and shakes your noggin a bit....Are ya gunna go to a DC for some needles, pills, or knives to "Correct" the vertebral subluxations and loss of primary curves? Or are ya gunna play the symptom game?
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@Epostaxis It's not by chance that you feel lonely amongst 70,000 successful DC's who "Got The Big Idea" whilst you try to practice the Medi-Practor "Thingy". Get thee to a "Principled Chiropractic" family like "New Beginnings".
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@chiropractic47 with absolutely no relevant answer to my previous statement.... why am i not surprised?
Epostaxis 11 months ago
@Epostaxis If you would have identified your previous statement.... In the meantime become involved in a principled chiropractic program to get back onn track. ADIO!
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@wgagandalf007 You feel lonely in chiropractic because you covet medical philosophy and its failed-deadly allopathic principles. Get thee to a "Principled Chiropractic" organization because you will definitely not make it as a "Medi-Practor".
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@wgagandalf007 How did the vertebral motor units become misaligned and loss of primary curve? How long did it take the subluxation complex and loss of curve to emit symptoms? How long will it take to correct the vertebral complex and restore the primary curve? Only when you answer this accurately will you "begin" to understand "Principled Chiropractic". Until then you're a "Medi-Practor", who'll ultimately fail. (23 years Life grad., 10,000 patient files @ 500+ pv/week @ 40 new patients/month.
chiropractic47 11 months ago
@nododon Amen! ADIO! "Principled Chiropractor"!
chiropractic47 11 months ago
chiropractic is a big fat lie. it is such a rip-off. I dont understand how people trust these charlatans
petit76 1 year ago
@petit76 All generalities are false. "All", "Every", "Each"--are evidence of a soundbite thinker. Life ain't that simple. If that is true, why would I--a chiropractor--post a video to expose the very thing that which you claim we all want? To rip off the public? If we're all charlatans, why would I be a whistle blower? The truth is just the opposite, that the majority of ethical chiro's hate these douchebags. Hence the video.
wgagandalf007 1 year ago
I have never had this experience and I had gone to multiple chiropractors. The only reason that I stopped going is that I started using an inversion table, along with yoga. The average cost per visit for me was 40$ and most of the time the first visit and x-rays where free. They are not all bad, but you should always shop your health care givers :)
BraveWomanCandy 1 year ago
What's so surprising about this? This is EVERY single one I've ever gone to. Not only that but they are all quacks and it wasn't until I stopped going I was healed. I ever had one commit billing fraud and charge me $400 for a 30 minute consultation in which he claimed he did electric stimuli, adjustments and stretching but never did anything except flap his lips. There were never any services only talking and he committed insurance fraud. I reported him and he's being investigated. Scum.
LeftLiberalSoCal 1 year ago
@lerxt42 What a bunch of bullshit!!! I've seen your credentials: Message therapist, Medical assistant, EMT. Your the unqualified Quack! Quit perusing shit trade school certificates and get a REAL degree... You are no where near as qualified as a D.C., M.D., D.O., O.D., D.P.M, Ph.D...etc. Why don't you take the time to look up what a chiropractors education actually is.
chadhedges 1 year ago
@lerxt42
And people should trust a person like you who bunchs groups of people together and labels them. NICE. I would stay away from this person's advice.
gusedc1 1 year ago
@lerxt42
hey thanks for the info i'm gonna look into this rolfing thing. interesting!
NATEandtheMONKEY 1 year ago
@lerxt42 the only problem there is, its the only thing i've tried so far that gives me relief from my lower back pain and siatica (sp). it acts up a little less frequent than once a year. i go for maybe 6 visits and in good to go.
NATEandtheMONKEY 1 year ago
my wife just got scammed by one of these "used car salesman deuche bags last week. signe her on for 250 a month for a year. It is my duty today to get out of this mess. good times.
have to pay for her treaments recieved so far. examine whatever she signed and from there cancel all the post dated checks. if she is going to be olbligated now for the whole year i'll have to call the BBB and whatever media outlet will hear the story. hopefully i don't have to go as far as to call a lawyer.
NATEandtheMONKEY 1 year ago
I don't know this guy or what his intentions are, what type of problems the pt has or how serious, neither do you. If you are a chiro -- live up to being a chiropractor and tell the truth about subluxation and the nerve system. What is an adjustment worth when it restores life and healing? You must not know the facts and science behind it. If you don't -- don't criticize those who do!
draarontressler 1 year ago
@draarontressler Oh boy. Another Jonestown disciple misses the point. MARKETING GIMMICKS ARE NOT CHIROPRACTIC!!! Are you saying this guys rip-offs are the "facts and science" behind chiropractic? Can't you tell the difference? When you defend a huckster selling >$3K of product on a first visit, it suggests you don't know the difference. Don't defend the money changers in the temple, and think you're defending the religion. It ought not BE a religion. R U a disciple? Or a physician?
wgagandalf007 1 year ago