Any rational person realises that plants metabolise all the available carbon dioxide: so mankind has increased life on earth. But have no conceivable effect on the weather. That is all lie from nuclear fission.
This is so much crap. The fact is we need more Research to find out what we can do about the climate and how we can stop polluting everything. Look how easy it was to make Acid Rain. We can warm up the whole world too.
This is bad science being used to make bad political decisions. Look at Melbourne. These scientists said the drought was because of climate change so we needed a desal plant. Then the drought broke and the dams filled again. Now we're stuck with a desal plant that's going to cause water prices to rise by fivefold. The irony is that the desal plant's construction has been delayed by all the rainfall. Sombody's going to make a lot of money from this and we're all going to pay for it
Just to put a nail in the panic coffin, Greenland was much hotter in the past. In Romania the highest temperature on record was registered in 1951. More than half a century has passed and with the hockey stick theory, you would expect that to repeat again. It didn't.
If you can't take a critique of your post just don't click the reply. I know, your argument won't stand up to the facts so its best you avoid a critique.
Try not to play scientist. You haven't the necessary tools.
The "hockey stick" graph has been proven to be sound.
As I said, read what the experts have to say. Your baseless opinion is worthless (except to you).
@ReduceGHGs The hockey stick theory is based only on statistics. And statistics aren't a scientific method. Cherry pick data and have a small sample. The only difference between your GW Scientist and Marketing director is the data source. A 4% error in a McDonald's poll would still be scientifically valid if it showed a correlation between age groups and McNuggets. By statistics everyone is a scientist if he/she has an Excel spreadsheet. Science can predict something, GW predicts nothing.
Sorry, but he Hockey Stick is a temperature record of the past 1000 years. It is not a theory. It is a factual representation. Try researching it.
I do recommend that playing scientist is NOT a good idea without the necessary tools. It takes many years of education and training to begin to grasp the many related sciences. Until then, we layman must rely on credible experts. Read what our respected scientific institutions say about climate change. Try NAS, AAAS, AGU, ...
Wrong. You can learn about the "Hockey Stick" graph from many sources. Try avoiding the less credible ones. Wiki has a good description of it.
Google: Hockey stick controversy Wikipedia
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Among those that actively study climate change (including EVERY scientific body) there is no credible doubt over the core issue; we humans are warming the planet. If you believe you've found reliable, respected evidence to the contrary, send me a link.
First of all, john coleman studied Journalism in college. He's all talking head and no scientific substance.
Second, the 30k scientists he refers to comes from the Petition Project also known as the Oregon Petition. It was corporate propaganda to keep the Kyoto Treaty from passing. Here one of many links that debunks it.
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Google: What if the Oregon Petition names were real?
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I recommend credible sources like NAS or AAAS instead.
The fuss about "Climategate" was much-a-do-about-nothing. The emails have been reviewed many times by qualified professionals. Did you really think that those out-of-context emails that were spoken in a "language" few understand debunked over 30 years of global research and study? Come on! The vested interests used the opportinity to spread doubt where no credible doubt exists.
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Google: Climategate's death rattle | Bad Astronomy | Discover Magazine
I love you guys... all you commenters. After I realized that a good number of the insane comments are either sock puppets or the extremely vocal extreme minority, I realized just how many of you are intelligent and sincerely searching for answers. Keep searching, fellow tubers :)
Yes, let's expose climategate for what it is! The phony "climategate" propaganda has been debunked, AGAIN! Taking out-of-context emails to promote the corporate disinformation campaign didn't work! The science that tells us we are warming the planet is sound. It's time we changed the way we generate and use energy and natural resources. Here's a link to debunking the corporate climategate calamity!
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Google: Climategate Scientist Cleared in Inquiry, Again: Scientific American
@ReduceGHGs By your science, marketers who compile polls for Coca Cola are top mark scholars. Taking data and doing a regression by your reason is tantamount to science. An Excel spreadsheet with 200 data bins don't make a scientific fact. Experimentation is a scientific method. By your mind, a poll between Coca Cola and Pepsi Cola with a 4% error is scientific fact.
@ReduceGHGs Those sites list also ANOVA, correlation, Fisher tests + some theory about greenhouse gases. An odd mixture between physics and statistics. And statistics is the prevailing component. Physics, biology, chemistry, mathematics, geology allow you to to predict an event and control it. Climatology and economics on the other hand rely on probabilities.Pseudo-science is about probabilities, science is about certainty.
I just read where a meteor just missed the earth by 44,000 miles in 2008, So where was the media on that one? Asleep at the wheel or told to keep quiet about it, I choose number two.
No sea levels are rising. Coldest year in decades. CO2 increases plant size and output of oxygen, hence self regulating. Oceans absorb and give off heat (hot goes to cold) - another regulator. Besides, it all depends on the original heat supply, the Sun. Its a fist shake at the sky, ' see? with my mighty fire and smoke, i have changed the world!' What an outrageous self inflated thing to proclaim. People deny their senses- go look out you front door right now, any warmer than it should be? No.
Sorry guys it's real, not pleasant , you can try and rationalise it away if you wish but the elephant in the room will remain there and become progressivly larger.
@DJSpinoza Whats not pleasant is that 500 years ago we went through a worse climate change, temperatures soared past 100 degrees in cold areas. I guess it was because of all carbon dioxide coming from the cars,nuclear plants, and People that were around during the medieval times. haha
Our climate has fluctuated since the beginning with less emissions than in the past, as volcanic activity has decreased, methane and other hydrocarbons have decreased, but carbon levels are also lessened because we control forest fires, that in the past would have pumped billions of tons co2 annually. Course all this has been offset by our burning of fossil fuels which do raise co2, a gas that causes our agriculture to thrive. But we know, it is the Sun, and Earths cycles that cause warming.
Carbon dioxide increases life on earth, and so it can't have any affect on the weather: there has been no increase in free carbon dioxide in the air over last two centuries
I live in the Southern Hemispher (Ausland) and am experiencing the coldest summer that I have ever known in my 50 yrs of being here. We are having so much rain in the east Queensland floods and now we are being told that its moving down to us in Victoria in the South. We have had one hot day of 40c and now we are having teps in the mid to high 20s. This is not global warming its global cooling!
The Earth-saving, jet-setting Gore (whose Tennessee mansion has a "carbon footprint" 20 times that of the average American family) is a collectivist ideologue who gives every indication of being in the green game for power and prestige as much as (or more than) for the money. He and his fellow globalists want to "transform" the world, to remake it to their own desires. The green path is their road not only to pelf, but also to power.
Yep..Leaders should lead by example don't you think?
@CrOvECHkin101 Water vapour is natural, carbon dioxide is although natural is not natural to be emitted in such quantity we are. Hence why water vapour is negligible and hence void. Please look in any science text book before you respond again.
And attacks on me, my age or claiming that I'm rambling when I'm clearly not, doesn't make your argument any stronger.
I'd like you to link me to a scientific paper actually agreeing with your statement. Temperature drives Co2? Load of crap. How exactly? Last time I checked, the greenhouse affect on all the other planets in the solar system keep them warm! Otherwise, how would they be warm? Where does the temperature come from?
If I'm ignorant, I guess -->97% of the climate scientists<-- that have studied this for 20 years are also ignorant. You give me 1 name, I give you the scientific community.
@lukster1991 Okay dude I have been looking over your arguement with BryanLim14 and I must say you should just stop talking. Well over 90% of all the green house gasses is WATER VAPOUR! CO2 plays such a small role if any role at all. You are obviously looking in all the wrong areas. You should bring your facts rather than ramble...than again you are 19 I expect nothing less.
People just don't understand. This isn't global warming, this is global climate DESTABALISATION. There's a trend between CO2 and temperature rises, between 1990 + 2005 we had the 10 hottest years on record. We've had increasing Hurricanes, floods, very cold winters, some of the coldest on record, especially last year here in the UK.
How can people so ignorantly think that burning 30 million metric tonnes of CO2 every year won't affect the climate when CO2 is a natural greenhouse gas anyway?
@lukster1991 your constantly changing terms are phony. there is NO evidence that CO2 drives temps, in fact it's the reverse. Dr Bagotaj formerly of the IPCC have recently bailed out from that crap orgz. & claim that temp. drives CO2. you're the ignorant one coz CO2 only comprises 0.000314 molar fractions of the atmosphere. you think we can alter that fact in any way and disrupt the climate via our emission rates? you're not just ignorant, you're scientifically deluded.
@WhatTheFucckk Because the Earth has been cooling since 1998. Geology has shown that an increase in CO2 allows the Earth's vegetation to prosper. It's a scam. I only care about real environmental issues such as pollution, water quality and deforestation.
California grossly miscalculated pollution levels in a scientific analysis used to toughen the state's clean-air standards...
The pollution estimate in question was too high - by 340 percent, according to the California Air Resources Board, the state agency charged with researching and adopting air quality standards.
The reason for the climate change hype as due to CO2 levels: "To hold back development in the Third World! To stay ahead of China...!" Thank you, the truth points to the same old perpetrator.
Forgetting the Russian Fire not long ago? Everybody feel that the global warming is very real ! We don't need that "data" to feel it.
Who is behind those hackers, trying to blacken the Scientists, so that they can go on with their North Pole oil drilling, South Pole exploration and other "burning" industries?
"Copy & paste the last 10 yrs worth of temp data onto a spreadsheet, do a scatter plot, fit a regression line and see if it slopes down. See it slope up? That means those who say it's cooling are wrong."
Oh dear... No wonder so many people believe the AGW fraud!
ok, so, if u melt ice, say, the north polar region, and then take temperature readings, wouldnt that give u a false reading, so wouldnt u have to counter that in your reports. it would make a politician think by reading cooler temps that the problem was over. i would only assume they were doing math, to counter the cooling effects that melt water would have on the added volume of water in the oceans.
@liOVERLOADil The emails have been investigated by three inquiries. Why not read their findings instead of carrying on as if the email hacking was the end of the story?
@cristop5 Not that it matters that I >HAVE< read the minutes from the tribunal hearings... The facts remain: refusing FOI requests, destruction of data, refusing to peer-review their findings, and overall secrecy -- this is not how science is conducted. Junk science is a reality, I accept that, however the IPCC gets their data from these guys, and UN climate policy is written based on it. When research drives policy that affects everyone on the planet , I would want a high level of certainty.
@liOVERLOADil 1. The CRU was criticized regarding their attitude to the FOI requests they were being inundated with. Fair enough.
2. Peer reviewed science, like that conducted by the CRU is not "junk science". For junk science see the non peer reviewed talks by Plimer, Monckton, Carter etc.
3. The IPCC serves as a clearing house for the global climate research & policy formulation. They don't analyse data.
4. AGW has a high level of certainty & is the only theory that explains why it's warming
@busguy100 "the inquiries were done in house and they want the grant money to keep coming in so of course they will find nothing wrong"
In my original post I suggested you read the findings of the enquiries. Unless "in house" meant "in the House of Commons" it looks like you didn't do that. Here are the links:
The 'climategate' emails have already been explained, but the people who don't understand it, or want to believe their predispositions, keep saying the same disproved things.
Climate in United Kingdom is heavily influenced by the Gulf Stream. Gulf stream is carrying warm water from the Gulf of Mexico to the shores of Western and Northern Europe. Gulf Stream is slowing down because the North Pole is getting warmer and water arriving from the Gulf of Mexico cant cool down enough to sink. Because it is slowed down it can not carry enough warm water to warm up the United Kingdom.
Future: UK will have the same climate as Canada has today.
LOOK AT MARS GOD DAMN IT ...CHECK THE POLES THERE SHOWING THE SAME DINAMIC AS THE EARTH (less latency, due to thiner atmospherire-abrupter changes) CHECK THE TEMPERATURE SPECTOGRAPHS IN THE WHOLE SOLAR SYSTEM ................LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT THE SUN....................!
This is all distracting from more important issues. If you think they are lying then they are and you act accordingly. If you don't think they are lying then you act accordingly. Either way-not a single person or entity can truly control the global weather completely. No matter what theories are tossed out.
@TheLilie5555 Here are links to the three reports into various aspects of the 'climategate' emails: 1. ww w.publications.parliament.u k/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmsctech/387/387i.pdf
RUSSIA TODAY - Record high temperatures, crop failures, massive forest fires. Obviously something needs to be done. We must all stand as one and chant "climate change is a fraud!"
Jct: It's enjoyable to hear a scientist decry the mann-made climate change fraud. A physicist and Member of Parliament to boot. Of course, East Anglia University has whitewashed the East Anglia U. climategate fraud but they might be biased. Thank you Peter Lilley.
@kingofthepaupers "It's enjoyable to hear a scientist decry the mann-made climate change fraud.."
Being a climate change denier is a quick and easy way to become a climate scientist - without having to waste your time doing any research or publishing anything in the field. 97% of working, publishing climatologists accept mankind is warming the climate, but what would they know?
Lilley's claim about scientists changing the facts is a lie. Three inquiries have now shown this. He should apologize.
@cristop5 97% of climatologists accept warming on Mars, do they accept mankind is warming the climate or Martians? My claim about them using a "trick to hide the decline in temperature" is a fact. You should apologize to Lilley. And if you'd like to put some money where your mouth is before we continue this debate, I'll bet you up to $100 Canadian we can set aside until the truth comes out. I have a real science degree and they offended me. Your lack of resentment shows lack of real degree.
2. Re: "hide the decline" read the reports I provided links to and/or watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg
3. "until the truth comes out" It's been out for a while. Real earth scientists with real degrees have done the research and published hundreds of papers. I can provide links if you're interested. Meanwhile don't shoot the messengers.
If Mars is warming (and this is disputed) it would be due to a darkening of the surface following dust storms.
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So do you think it is sensible to look at warming on Mars due to dust storms, and then extrapolate to the entire solar system? Do you think those selling this "argument" are honest?
@cristop5 You say dust storms and not the sun warming Mars and the Earth. Okay, so let's cut to the chase. They used a trick to hide the true decline in temperature over the past 10 years. I'll bet $100US that the temperature has gone down over the past 10 years and I'll bet that they used a trick to hide the truth from you. So let's ogmprew hat proofs you may not be too happy with. If the Mars rebuttal isn't good enough for you, how about the "they tricked you to hide the decline" rebuttal?
1. "You say dust storms and not the sun warming Mars" I don't say that, the scientific literature does. Those saying it's the sun made the idea up.
2. "hide the true decline in temperature.." No. The "hide the decline" remark referred to an APPARENT decline after ~1961 IF you went by tree ring proxies alone. This slowing of tree growth no longer corresponded to actual measured temperatures, after 1961 which had not declined. Google 'tree ring divergence'
3. "the temperature has gone down over the past 10 years" The temperature is still rising. Go to "ht tp://data.giss.nasa.g ov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts.txt" or "ht tp://w ww.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/hadcrut3vnh.txt" and see for yourself.
Copy & paste the last 10 years worth of global mean temperature data from either database onto a spreadsheet. Do a scatter plot & fit a trend line. The trend line slopes up, so it's warming. Give your $100 to a good charity.
Jct: I'm not running around proving nothing for you. I bet $100. My identity is clear. Let's you and me pay up in 5 years. I bet they use a "trick to hide the decline" if there had not been a decline. You may want to argue that there was no decline for them to hide despite their using the trick to hide the decline, sure, let's up it to $200. Just state your true name and say "bet" and in 5 years, we'll hope one of us is clearly the winner. If you're right, I'll be honored to pay you.
@kingofthepaupers So it's too much effort for you to copy & paste mean global temperature data onto a spreadsheet and do a regression line - even though I provided you with direct links to the relevant databases. I can't help that. You are clearly either not capable or not interested. So just go on believing that it's cooling - because someone said so. And believe the Mars thing too - because someone said so.
Re: "hide the decline" watch a video: /watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg&feature=related
That's why I say to put your money where your mouth is and you go help steer the world to your conclusion all you want while I stick to why they'd use a "trick to hide the decline" if, as you tell me, there was no decline for them to be using a trick to hide. Go ahead, bet anything you want up to $300 settleable in 5 years!
@kingofthepaupers Hmm. How to teach someone when they won't look at any evidence. Can't be done.
Meanwhile, if there are any NON-cretinous people reading this:
Go to "ht tp://data.giss.nasa.g ov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts.txt" or "ht tp://w ww.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/hadcrut3vnh.txt"
Copy & paste the last 10 yrs worth of temp data onto a spreadsheet, do a scatter plot, fit a regression line and see if it slopes down. See it slope up? That means those who say it's cooling are wrong.
@cristop5 "Copy & paste 10 yrs worth of temp data..scatter plot, fit a regression line.. See it slope up? That means those who say it's cooling are wrong."
Jct: Good for you! So why can't you say: I bet $400 settleable in 5 years that you had sound data to (Control-A) Highlight All to then (Control-C) Copy it to clipboard and the (Control-V) Paste into a spreadsheet and then do a scatter plot to fit a regression line and see if it slopes up when I don't trust the data.
@cristop5 What dataset are you using? Is it actual temp or "value added"? Has it passed through the hands of East Anglia CRU, or any government funded research center? Does it include tree-ring data, if so where was the tree located? Has heat-island been accounted for? Is the data averaged with satellite temperature readings? Is solar forcing accounted for? Unless you can say with 100% certainty that this data is unmodified, and taken at unbiased locations then you have nothing.
@liOVERLOADil "What dataset are you using?" Dataset regarding what exactly? get specific and I'll be happy to address your question.
And if you have any peer reviewed studies that advance an alternative hypothesis as to why the troposhere is warming, lets have it. You could be the first!
Yeah, and Bush wanted Henry Kissinger to head the 9/11 Commission! The whole system is corrupt from the top down. They will whitewash this mess any way they can.
@ModernPlague You could have followed the links I provided and read the three reports with an open mind before reaching a considered, defendable opinion.
But instead you tried to tie it in to some tangled, paranoid mish mash of conspiracies. Maybe you even had an Alex Jones style whiteboard to help you.
I'll grant you this though, believeing in a 9/11 conspiracy, chemtrails, FEMA death camps, lethal flu shots, the Illuminati/NWO etc is certainly more exciting!
You're a tool. 9/11 was an inside job, and by the way you dismiss the idea, I can tell your ideas are worthless drivel spilled down to you from the elitist academics you defend.
If YOU believe so strongly in Anthropogenic Global Warming, here's a suggestion:
do your part and quit breathing-----no more pesky CO2, from you at least.
Act party leader here in New Zealand has been saying Climate Change is bullshit & the Global push for an "Emissions Trading Scheme" (ETS) is a money making effort for a few bankers. The opposition parties here said That even though the facts are not proven either way, NZ has no choice but to go along with the ETS because the counties image will be damaged if we don't sign up. So essentially all countries are being extorted by a group of investment banks, and the scientists that fudge the reports
the wikileaks heros said clearly that there was a massive "missinterpretation" of the mails in the mainstream media, abused by so called "sceptics" - (who are not a bit sceptic at all... its about confusing the public...3 days before copenhagen...)
I upload this statement soon.
Man made Climate change is fuckin real, and its threatening our planet.
Even if AGW were not real..but we know it is.., there is the dramatic(!) ocean acidification going on, caused by co2.
@ParrhesiaJoe im not afriad of anything,but i see what your saying,wonder who is reall in charge of humanity,apparently not the scientist that say global warming is false,apparently not the engineers that say steel buildings dont fall from fire.apparently not the people that said jfk wasnt shot by 1 person with a piece of shit gun that couldnt even get 3 shots of that quick let alone acurate.
@TheAngelusSilesius I prefer to think that people were raised to believe their government was the best in the world... past all this bullshit. We learned in school that this stuff doesn't happen. To question that is to implicitly charge that the schools (That we send our children to) are unwitting engines of indoctrination.
Painful stuff to realize... I don't blame people for taking a LOT of evidence before they flip.
The bright side? LOTS AND LOTS of damning evidence... and YouTube.
@ParrhesiaJoe You said it! as lame as people are, the time has never been so ripe for the people to triumph. The internet is helping spread the message faster than ever, and the the truth is reaching everyone world wide. Lets expose the Elite and shame them out of their support system
@ParrhesiaJoe Just look toward the media for the answer. We are all slaves, whether we like it or not, we are controlled and manipulated every single day of our lives.
@ParrhesiaJoe Great great Statement! Vaccines are toxic chemicals used on PPL because they are scared of any symptoms. Everyone is scared of something false, and are tricked into using harmful products
When the sea level comes up just a few meters, the dollar cost of the damage done will exceed the global Gross Domestic Product, thereby making economists and The Global Economy irrelevant. I challenge anyone to do the numbers and prove me wrong.
When the sea level comes up just a few meters, the dollar cost of the damage done will exceed the global Gross Domestic Product, thereby making economists and The Global Economy irrelevant. I challenge anyone to do the numbers and prove me wrong.
When the sea level comes up just a few meters, the dollar cost of the damage done will exceed the global Gross Domestic Product, thereby making economists and The Global Economy irrelevant. I challenge anyone to do the numbers and prove me wrong.
Unfortunately it seems as if Climategate did not convince the Senate to drop the climate change bill they are planning on passing, as I said in my video.
NCAR: Scientists can't measure all heat trapped on Earth
Half of the energy captured by greenhouse gases isn't accounted for
About half of the total amount of heat entering the atmosphere is unaccounted for, according a study in Science that suggests the oceans are absorbing energy that will haunt us sooner or later.
NCAR: Scientists can't measure all heat trapped on Earth
Half of the energy captured by greenhouse gases isn't accounted for
About half of the total amount of heat entering the atmosphere is unaccounted for, according a study in Science that suggests the oceans are absorbing energy that will haunt us sooner or later.
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Impacts of climate change in the news
Global floating ice in "constant retreat": study
Apr 28 2010
LONDON (Reuters) - The world's floating ice is in "constant retreat," showing an instability which will increase global sea levels, according to a report published in Geophysical Research Letters on Wednesday.
NORTH POLE ICE-FREE BY 2050?
The study did not shed new light on how soon the North Pole may be ice-free in summer, which many climate experts say could happen by 2050, perhaps even earlier.
NCAR: Scientists can't measure all heat trapped on Earth
Half of the energy captured by greenhouse gases isn't accounted for
About half of the total amount of heat entering the atmosphere is unaccounted for, according a study in Science that suggests the oceans are absorbing energy that will haunt us sooner or later.
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Impacts of climate change in the news
NEW STUDY SAYS OCEANS CHEMISTRY CHANGING RAPIDLY
The chemistry of the oceans is changing faster than it has in hundreds of thousands of years because of the carbon dioxide being absorbed from the atmosphere, the National Research Council reported Thursday.
Report: Despite Global Action, Biodiversity Is Declining
In a study published in Science, a team of scientists and environmentalists from around the world assessed the state of global biodiversity and found that it has been in steady decline. Human beings rely on a healthy, diverse planet too, and when the Earth suffers, so do we
@Niightversionn Quit impersonating me all over youtube, Spitfiremacx AKA N ii ghtversionn Nigh tt versionn Knigh tt vision Nigtversionn Nightver ss ion, Nigh ttt versionn Nightversio m Nightverslon, Nightversio nnn, etc.. Stalker, impersonator, global warming DENIER. What an imbecile
1. Both Michael Mann and the CRU have been investigated and exonerated.
2. The "hockey stick" shaped graph was basically correct. In response to McIntyre & McKitrick's criticisms, the Mann (1998) dataset was re-analysed using the full proxy network & a better principle components method. The hockey stick shape remained. Read all about it here, if you're not afraid of science that is.
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Snowing in Texas and all over the planet where most have never even seen snow before in their lifetimes. I guess we blame this on global warming too? lol
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@luvmyctd Ive got news for you America is not the world in fact the world has been above average temperatures,do some research & dont lisson to these payed spinmasters from oil & coal.,Climate change is real.
lol, I used Texas as an example ... how about Europe? I'd suggest you do the same and open your mind ... I too was once of your opinion until I started looking around. Good luck.
@kickatoe Man-made climate change is not real. We are lucky to be in a natural warm period. Cold kills more people than heat. The huge money is being paid by governemnts to "prove" man-made climate change.
@bobhawks Wow! What an astonishing argument for your side! Is that the best you can do? Al Gore is not a scientist. He's a snake oil salesman looking to get rich on carbon trading. When are all you warmists going to wake up?
On one hand, you have the Nobel Prize-winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change as well as the science academies of every developed nation in the world confirming that:
-climate change is real
-it is caused by human activity
-it is threatening the planet in ways we can only begin to imagine
what about the medieval warm period or the fact that we were in an ice age then rose out of it without any humans burning hydrocarbons. the nobel prize lost most of its relevance after arafat and gore won their respective prizes.
@umrmecheman You are creating a fallacious argument. No climatologist ever stated that there weren't natural forcings and feedbacks that affected the climate. They do state that mans emissions are adding greenhouse gases into the atmosphere heightening those feedbacks, which is based on physics. In order to disprove global warming you'll have to disprove quantum physics.
@umrmecheman your right about the medieval time period but over looking one thing and that is that warm period the world wasnt burning hydrocarbons and the global population was alot thinner than it is today.I think burning fossil fuels was a godd idea when we started but never adapted our energy source when usage and population started a boom.I aslo thin that their are equally greater threats to our race that are even equal to climate change and its all due to one thing and thatisoverpopulation
@bobhawks I meant to give a thumb down, but clicked at the wrong spot. Anyway, lots of people were wrong before when they all used to say the sun revolved around the earth. The UN has an agenda, and that is for us rich nations to hand over reparations to poor countries for using all the oil and gas before they got a chance to become developed
NCAR: Scientists can't measure all heat trapped on Earth
Half of the energy captured by greenhouse gases isn't accounted for
About half of the total amount of heat entering the atmosphere is unaccounted for, according a study in Science that suggests the oceans are absorbing energy that will haunt us sooner or later.
"computer codes they've adjusted to cut off the recent period of global cooling" - Peter Lilly
Peter go and read the emails again and then do a little research on the topic before open your stupid tory mouth.
Hint: The cutoff data relates to the tree ring proxy temperature, the cut off portion is known to be wrong because it disagrees with the actual temperature measurements over that period. It has nothing to do with the temperatures over the last 10 years.
@augnkn93043 This begs the question if the data was wrong when compared to actual temp records over the past 100 years or so, then how do we it was correct for the previous 900. Answer: We don't.
U.N. climate chief Rajendra Pachauri admitted in today's news, of five glaring errors discovered in one paragraph of the world's most authoritative report on global warming. This report is driving climate change hysteria and causing the world to increase debt to fight an unfounded "global warming caused by humans" farce. The true data being now revealed is making an idealogical and elitist scientific group look like fools. Their greed for funding has turned them into political puppets.
I still don't see how people can really believe we have more of an effect on temperature than the sun....I mean, you can't even stare at it, it is MILLIONS OF MILES AWAY, and it will peel your skin right off in the tropics...it powers everything on earth. It heats the whole ocean...are we coming to something even close to that powerful?
If active sunsopts dictate it is going to get warmer, I don't see how spending $100 Trillion is going to save anyone.
But I like it warmer anyways....what's the big deal...like the artic is ever going to stop getting below zero...it is soooo far below zero there is no danger of it EVER "fully" melting
Global warming has been proven to be a natural process. If you take a look at the graphs provided, which go back over 400,000 years, you can see that there have been warming and cooling periods.
Also, you will notice that the warming and cooling periods occurred without the interaction of homosapiens.
so the scientist proft the most huh, how abhout the elite globalist who are pushing this for cap and trade and a price tg f 145 trillion, yeah ok, the scientist are the big winners
@StunnedByStupidity is by his own ignorance, patently stupid. He has not read (evidently) at all the subtleties of the subject. You can predict the next words out of his keyboard. Very predictable dated science. He actually quotes sources that have been debunked completely. Whatever happened to intelligent debate ? I hope he keeps posting, as it helps the skeptics of the AGW theory.
@newnoggin2 yeah, and which bit did you take issue with? I mean you should write up a SCIENTIFIC PAPER and put those scientists right about where they have been going wrong for the last 150 years.
The IPCC's models are now considered a spectacular failure. They failed to predict anything accurately for the last 15 years. The reason is obvious to any thinking person. They were charged with the task of monitoring man-made global climate change. If they find none, then they lose their funding. It is in their charter. The statisticians of the world are up in arms because of the weighting in their models. The whole thing is so obviously corrupt that nobody should pay it any attention at all.
global warming is created by the artificial heating up of the various layers of the earths atmosphere for climate change processes. Haarp in alaska.
mathai11 1 month ago
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Any rational person realises that plants metabolise all the available carbon dioxide: so mankind has increased life on earth. But have no conceivable effect on the weather. That is all lie from nuclear fission.
JonThm 2 months ago
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I still believe in global warming is getting worse due to human error because anyone who does not believe is stubborn
irelandcool1 4 months ago
This is so much crap. The fact is we need more Research to find out what we can do about the climate and how we can stop polluting everything. Look how easy it was to make Acid Rain. We can warm up the whole world too.
gregrutz 7 months ago
This is bad science being used to make bad political decisions. Look at Melbourne. These scientists said the drought was because of climate change so we needed a desal plant. Then the drought broke and the dams filled again. Now we're stuck with a desal plant that's going to cause water prices to rise by fivefold. The irony is that the desal plant's construction has been delayed by all the rainfall. Sombody's going to make a lot of money from this and we're all going to pay for it
SIM2402 7 months ago
No wonder it snowed it's ass off in Dallas this year.
Regisphilben 8 months ago
Just to put a nail in the panic coffin, Greenland was much hotter in the past. In Romania the highest temperature on record was registered in 1951. More than half a century has passed and with the hockey stick theory, you would expect that to repeat again. It didn't.
Racronus 8 months ago
@Racronus .
If you can't take a critique of your post just don't click the reply. I know, your argument won't stand up to the facts so its best you avoid a critique.
Try not to play scientist. You haven't the necessary tools.
The "hockey stick" graph has been proven to be sound.
As I said, read what the experts have to say. Your baseless opinion is worthless (except to you).
ReduceGHGs 8 months ago
@ReduceGHGs The hockey stick theory is based only on statistics. And statistics aren't a scientific method. Cherry pick data and have a small sample. The only difference between your GW Scientist and Marketing director is the data source. A 4% error in a McDonald's poll would still be scientifically valid if it showed a correlation between age groups and McNuggets. By statistics everyone is a scientist if he/she has an Excel spreadsheet. Science can predict something, GW predicts nothing.
Racronus 8 months ago
@Racronus .
Sorry, but he Hockey Stick is a temperature record of the past 1000 years. It is not a theory. It is a factual representation. Try researching it.
I do recommend that playing scientist is NOT a good idea without the necessary tools. It takes many years of education and training to begin to grasp the many related sciences. Until then, we layman must rely on credible experts. Read what our respected scientific institutions say about climate change. Try NAS, AAAS, AGU, ...
ReduceGHGs 8 months ago
@ReduceGHGs The hockey stick uses cherry-picked data that ignores high temperatures of the past.
thenewovermind 7 months ago
@thenewovermind .
Wrong. You can learn about the "Hockey Stick" graph from many sources. Try avoiding the less credible ones. Wiki has a good description of it.
Google: Hockey stick controversy Wikipedia
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Among those that actively study climate change (including EVERY scientific body) there is no credible doubt over the core issue; we humans are warming the planet. If you believe you've found reliable, respected evidence to the contrary, send me a link.
ReduceGHGs 7 months ago
@ReduceGHGs watch?v=FfHW7KR33IQ
watch?v=Zgbo1JJHbeo
thenewovermind 7 months ago
@thenewovermind .
You make two mistakes with that link.
First of all, john coleman studied Journalism in college. He's all talking head and no scientific substance.
Second, the 30k scientists he refers to comes from the Petition Project also known as the Oregon Petition. It was corporate propaganda to keep the Kyoto Treaty from passing. Here one of many links that debunks it.
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Google: What if the Oregon Petition names were real?
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I recommend credible sources like NAS or AAAS instead.
ReduceGHGs 7 months ago
@ReduceGHGs fine, but you didn't address the second one, which is unrelated to the first
thenewovermind 7 months ago
@thenewovermind .
The fuss about "Climategate" was much-a-do-about-nothing. The emails have been reviewed many times by qualified professionals. Did you really think that those out-of-context emails that were spoken in a "language" few understand debunked over 30 years of global research and study? Come on! The vested interests used the opportinity to spread doubt where no credible doubt exists.
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Google: Climategate's death rattle | Bad Astronomy | Discover Magazine
ReduceGHGs 7 months ago
I love you guys... all you commenters. After I realized that a good number of the insane comments are either sock puppets or the extremely vocal extreme minority, I realized just how many of you are intelligent and sincerely searching for answers. Keep searching, fellow tubers :)
These are good times.
ParrhesiaJoe 9 months ago 4
Yes, let's expose climategate for what it is! The phony "climategate" propaganda has been debunked, AGAIN! Taking out-of-context emails to promote the corporate disinformation campaign didn't work! The science that tells us we are warming the planet is sound. It's time we changed the way we generate and use energy and natural resources. Here's a link to debunking the corporate climategate calamity!
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Google: Climategate Scientist Cleared in Inquiry, Again: Scientific American
ReduceGHGs 9 months ago
@ReduceGHGs By your science, marketers who compile polls for Coca Cola are top mark scholars. Taking data and doing a regression by your reason is tantamount to science. An Excel spreadsheet with 200 data bins don't make a scientific fact. Experimentation is a scientific method. By your mind, a poll between Coca Cola and Pepsi Cola with a 4% error is scientific fact.
Racronus 8 months ago
@Racronus .
MY science? What tha?
No, sorry. I'm not talking about a regression analysis.
Try reading what the experts have concluded and what drove them to those conclusions.
Here's a good site from the NAS.
Google: NAS pdf Global Warming 2008 Edition
Or, research what AGU, AAAS, NASA, NCAR, SOCC, have to say about it.
If you have more reliable sources please send me a link.
ReduceGHGs 8 months ago
@ReduceGHGs Those sites list also ANOVA, correlation, Fisher tests + some theory about greenhouse gases. An odd mixture between physics and statistics. And statistics is the prevailing component. Physics, biology, chemistry, mathematics, geology allow you to to predict an event and control it. Climatology and economics on the other hand rely on probabilities.Pseudo-science is about probabilities, science is about certainty.
Racronus 8 months ago
I just read where a meteor just missed the earth by 44,000 miles in 2008, So where was the media on that one? Asleep at the wheel or told to keep quiet about it, I choose number two.
germaniajim 10 months ago
No sea levels are rising. Coldest year in decades. CO2 increases plant size and output of oxygen, hence self regulating. Oceans absorb and give off heat (hot goes to cold) - another regulator. Besides, it all depends on the original heat supply, the Sun. Its a fist shake at the sky, ' see? with my mighty fire and smoke, i have changed the world!' What an outrageous self inflated thing to proclaim. People deny their senses- go look out you front door right now, any warmer than it should be? No.
kaderoder 10 months ago
Sorry guys it's real, not pleasant , you can try and rationalise it away if you wish but the elephant in the room will remain there and become progressivly larger.
DJSpinoza 11 months ago
@DJSpinoza Whats not pleasant is that 500 years ago we went through a worse climate change, temperatures soared past 100 degrees in cold areas. I guess it was because of all carbon dioxide coming from the cars,nuclear plants, and People that were around during the medieval times. haha
HashburryFilms 10 months ago
Our climate has fluctuated since the beginning with less emissions than in the past, as volcanic activity has decreased, methane and other hydrocarbons have decreased, but carbon levels are also lessened because we control forest fires, that in the past would have pumped billions of tons co2 annually. Course all this has been offset by our burning of fossil fuels which do raise co2, a gas that causes our agriculture to thrive. But we know, it is the Sun, and Earths cycles that cause warming.
SeekTruthinLight 11 months ago
Carbon dioxide increases life on earth, and so it can't have any affect on the weather: there has been no increase in free carbon dioxide in the air over last two centuries
JonThm 1 year ago
I live in the Southern Hemispher (Ausland) and am experiencing the coldest summer that I have ever known in my 50 yrs of being here. We are having so much rain in the east Queensland floods and now we are being told that its moving down to us in Victoria in the South. We have had one hot day of 40c and now we are having teps in the mid to high 20s. This is not global warming its global cooling!
ilovemymum777 1 year ago
@ilovemymum777 Weather is controlled by HAARP in America. Weather modification technology is very easy to use and manipulate
HashburryFilms 10 months ago
The Earth-saving, jet-setting Gore (whose Tennessee mansion has a "carbon footprint" 20 times that of the average American family) is a collectivist ideologue who gives every indication of being in the green game for power and prestige as much as (or more than) for the money. He and his fellow globalists want to "transform" the world, to remake it to their own desires. The green path is their road not only to pelf, but also to power.
Yep..Leaders should lead by example don't you think?
marcusbrooks1776 1 year ago
luckily the human brain is not merely a sponge!
ZAN3555 1 year ago
@CrOvECHkin101 Water vapour is natural, carbon dioxide is although natural is not natural to be emitted in such quantity we are. Hence why water vapour is negligible and hence void. Please look in any science text book before you respond again.
And attacks on me, my age or claiming that I'm rambling when I'm clearly not, doesn't make your argument any stronger.
lukster1991 1 year ago
@BryanLim14
I'd like you to link me to a scientific paper actually agreeing with your statement. Temperature drives Co2? Load of crap. How exactly? Last time I checked, the greenhouse affect on all the other planets in the solar system keep them warm! Otherwise, how would they be warm? Where does the temperature come from?
If I'm ignorant, I guess -->97% of the climate scientists<-- that have studied this for 20 years are also ignorant. You give me 1 name, I give you the scientific community.
lukster1991 1 year ago
@lukster1991 Okay dude I have been looking over your arguement with BryanLim14 and I must say you should just stop talking. Well over 90% of all the green house gasses is WATER VAPOUR! CO2 plays such a small role if any role at all. You are obviously looking in all the wrong areas. You should bring your facts rather than ramble...than again you are 19 I expect nothing less.
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lukster1991 1 year ago
Watch out... they will start talking about bringing in taxes for global cooling.
I laugh at the stupidity that man stoops to in the absence of following God's plan, which brings peace, love & prosperity for all.
We become idiots without God...
ozWeb2 1 year ago
People just don't understand. This isn't global warming, this is global climate DESTABALISATION. There's a trend between CO2 and temperature rises, between 1990 + 2005 we had the 10 hottest years on record. We've had increasing Hurricanes, floods, very cold winters, some of the coldest on record, especially last year here in the UK.
How can people so ignorantly think that burning 30 million metric tonnes of CO2 every year won't affect the climate when CO2 is a natural greenhouse gas anyway?
lukster1991 1 year ago
@lukster1991 your constantly changing terms are phony. there is NO evidence that CO2 drives temps, in fact it's the reverse. Dr Bagotaj formerly of the IPCC have recently bailed out from that crap orgz. & claim that temp. drives CO2. you're the ignorant one coz CO2 only comprises 0.000314 molar fractions of the atmosphere. you think we can alter that fact in any way and disrupt the climate via our emission rates? you're not just ignorant, you're scientifically deluded.
BryanLim14 1 year ago
@lukster1991 dr. Bogataj, my bad. you can pick on me on that one. XD
BryanLim14 1 year ago
hahah gotta love those internet hackers as a trusty source for this :P lol
nah a lot of very good point raised here
jrb040892 1 year ago
climate . nasa . gov/evidence/
quinnmcguee 1 year ago
how can somebody not believe in global warming?
there are so many facts and examples for global warming caused by humans. dam how stupid do you have to be, to ignore that.
the fucking world ist the only "home" we have. if we destroy it (and we do), we are pretty much fucked. stupid mankind.
WhatTheFucckk 1 year ago
@WhatTheFucckk Because the Earth has been cooling since 1998. Geology has shown that an increase in CO2 allows the Earth's vegetation to prosper. It's a scam. I only care about real environmental issues such as pollution, water quality and deforestation.
vidmanx0 1 year ago
They wouldn't do that.
California grossly miscalculated pollution levels in a scientific analysis used to toughen the state's clean-air standards...
The pollution estimate in question was too high - by 340 percent, according to the California Air Resources Board, the state agency charged with researching and adopting air quality standards.
cungol 1 year ago
The reason for the climate change hype as due to CO2 levels: "To hold back development in the Third World! To stay ahead of China...!" Thank you, the truth points to the same old perpetrator.
lanilani06 1 year ago
Forgetting the Russian Fire not long ago? Everybody feel that the global warming is very real ! We don't need that "data" to feel it.
Who is behind those hackers, trying to blacken the Scientists, so that they can go on with their North Pole oil drilling, South Pole exploration and other "burning" industries?
Nimitz06 1 year ago
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"Copy & paste the last 10 yrs worth of temp data onto a spreadsheet, do a scatter plot, fit a regression line and see if it slopes down. See it slope up? That means those who say it's cooling are wrong."
Oh dear... No wonder so many people believe the AGW fraud!
YTAkira 1 year ago
ok, so, if u melt ice, say, the north polar region, and then take temperature readings, wouldnt that give u a false reading, so wouldnt u have to counter that in your reports. it would make a politician think by reading cooler temps that the problem was over. i would only assume they were doing math, to counter the cooling effects that melt water would have on the added volume of water in the oceans.
cxaiver 1 year ago
Global warming is 100% man made. The Climategate e-mails prove this.
liOVERLOADil 1 year ago
@liOVERLOADil The emails have been investigated by three inquiries. Why not read their findings instead of carrying on as if the email hacking was the end of the story?
Seriously, READ the findings.
cristop5 1 year ago 6
@cristop5 Not that it matters that I >HAVE< read the minutes from the tribunal hearings... The facts remain: refusing FOI requests, destruction of data, refusing to peer-review their findings, and overall secrecy -- this is not how science is conducted. Junk science is a reality, I accept that, however the IPCC gets their data from these guys, and UN climate policy is written based on it. When research drives policy that affects everyone on the planet , I would want a high level of certainty.
liOVERLOADil 1 year ago
@liOVERLOADil 1. The CRU was criticized regarding their attitude to the FOI requests they were being inundated with. Fair enough.
2. Peer reviewed science, like that conducted by the CRU is not "junk science". For junk science see the non peer reviewed talks by Plimer, Monckton, Carter etc.
3. The IPCC serves as a clearing house for the global climate research & policy formulation. They don't analyse data.
4. AGW has a high level of certainty & is the only theory that explains why it's warming
cristop5 1 year ago
@cristop5 the inquiries were done in house and they want the grant money to keep coming in so of course they will find nothing wrong
busguy100 9 months ago
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@busguy100 "the inquiries were done in house and they want the grant money to keep coming in so of course they will find nothing wrong"
In my original post I suggested you read the findings of the enquiries. Unless "in house" meant "in the House of Commons" it looks like you didn't do that. Here are the links:
1. ww w.publications.parliament.u k/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmsctech/387/387i.pdf
2. ww w.uea.ac.uk/mac/comm/media/press/CRUstatements/SAP
3. ww w.cce-review.o rg/pdf/FINAL REPORT.pdf.
cristop5 9 months ago
@cristop5 where are the findings and what did they state?
Strange0ne 2 months ago
@Strange0ne Here are links to three reports (remove blanks)
ww w.publications.parliament.u k/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmsctech/387/387i.pdf
ww w.uea.ac.u k/mac/comm/media/press/CRUstatements/SAP
ww w.cce-review.o rg/pdf/FINAL REPORT.pdf
cristop5 2 months ago
@cristop5 thank you!
Strange0ne 2 months ago
The 'climategate' emails have already been explained, but the people who don't understand it, or want to believe their predispositions, keep saying the same disproved things.
Pokarot 1 year ago
@Pokarot You tell em Pokarot! Tell those global warming alarmists that we will not be forced to believe their lies!!
liOVERLOADil 1 year ago
@liOVERLOADil You got it backwards, but k.
Pokarot 1 year ago
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@Pokarot No, I got it right. You want to fight against the global warming lie.
liOVERLOADil 1 year ago
the brummy is spot on, the russian is an idiot
knkevinuk 1 year ago
Climate in United Kingdom is heavily influenced by the Gulf Stream. Gulf stream is carrying warm water from the Gulf of Mexico to the shores of Western and Northern Europe. Gulf Stream is slowing down because the North Pole is getting warmer and water arriving from the Gulf of Mexico cant cool down enough to sink. Because it is slowed down it can not carry enough warm water to warm up the United Kingdom.
Future: UK will have the same climate as Canada has today.
th3dig1tal0n3 1 year ago
LOOK AT MARS GOD DAMN IT ...CHECK THE POLES THERE SHOWING THE SAME DINAMIC AS THE EARTH (less latency, due to thiner atmospherire-abrupter changes) CHECK THE TEMPERATURE SPECTOGRAPHS IN THE WHOLE SOLAR SYSTEM ................LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT THE SUN....................!
echafaud 1 year ago
technicly we are still in an ice age and we will be untill at least one of the two ice sheets melts... acording to Wikipedia.
wiki : ice age implies the presence of ice sheets in the northern and southern hemispheres
nyyght7 1 year ago
This is all distracting from more important issues. If you think they are lying then they are and you act accordingly. If you don't think they are lying then you act accordingly. Either way-not a single person or entity can truly control the global weather completely. No matter what theories are tossed out.
TheLilie5555 1 year ago
@TheLilie5555 "Either way-not a single person or entity can truly control the global weather completely. "
So until that happens(!) we should continue to exacerbate the situation with escalating carbon emissions and destruction of carbon sinks?
cristop5 1 year ago
@TheLilie5555 Here are links to the three reports into various aspects of the 'climategate' emails: 1. ww w.publications.parliament.u k/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmsctech/387/387i.pdf
2. ww w.uea.ac.u k/mac/comm/media/press/CRUstatements/SAP
3. ww w.cce-review.o rg/pdf/FINAL REPORT.pdf
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cristop5 1 year ago
RUSSIA TODAY - Record high temperatures, crop failures, massive forest fires. Obviously something needs to be done. We must all stand as one and chant "climate change is a fraud!"
cristop5 1 year ago
for a taste of truth. go to,
whatreallyhappened(*)com
and
Zeigeist The Movie
beneehall 1 year ago
Jct: It's enjoyable to hear a scientist decry the mann-made climate change fraud. A physicist and Member of Parliament to boot. Of course, East Anglia University has whitewashed the East Anglia U. climategate fraud but they might be biased. Thank you Peter Lilley.
kingofthepaupers 1 year ago
@kingofthepaupers "It's enjoyable to hear a scientist decry the mann-made climate change fraud.."
Being a climate change denier is a quick and easy way to become a climate scientist - without having to waste your time doing any research or publishing anything in the field. 97% of working, publishing climatologists accept mankind is warming the climate, but what would they know?
Lilley's claim about scientists changing the facts is a lie. Three inquiries have now shown this. He should apologize.
cristop5 1 year ago
@cristop5 97% of climatologists accept warming on Mars, do they accept mankind is warming the climate or Martians? My claim about them using a "trick to hide the decline in temperature" is a fact. You should apologize to Lilley. And if you'd like to put some money where your mouth is before we continue this debate, I'll bet you up to $100 Canadian we can set aside until the truth comes out. I have a real science degree and they offended me. Your lack of resentment shows lack of real degree.
kingofthepaupers 1 year ago
@kingofthepaupers
1. Regarding the Mars thing: watch?v=BSXgiml5UwM
2. Re: "hide the decline" read the reports I provided links to and/or watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg
3. "until the truth comes out" It's been out for a while. Real earth scientists with real degrees have done the research and published hundreds of papers. I can provide links if you're interested. Meanwhile don't shoot the messengers.
cristop5 1 year ago
@cristop5 Go ahead, I trust you tell me, tersely.
kingofthepaupers 1 year ago
@kingofthepaupers "Go ahead...tell me" You mean more links? OK.
If Mars is warming (and this is disputed) it would be due to a darkening of the surface following dust storms.
1. adsabs.harvard.e du/abs/2007AGUFM.P31D..05R
2. w ww.nature.c om/nature/journal/v446/n7136/abs/nature05718.ht ml
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So do you think it is sensible to look at warming on Mars due to dust storms, and then extrapolate to the entire solar system? Do you think those selling this "argument" are honest?
cristop5 1 year ago
@cristop5 You say dust storms and not the sun warming Mars and the Earth. Okay, so let's cut to the chase. They used a trick to hide the true decline in temperature over the past 10 years. I'll bet $100US that the temperature has gone down over the past 10 years and I'll bet that they used a trick to hide the truth from you. So let's ogmprew hat proofs you may not be too happy with. If the Mars rebuttal isn't good enough for you, how about the "they tricked you to hide the decline" rebuttal?
kingofthepaupers 1 year ago
@kingofthepaupers
1. "You say dust storms and not the sun warming Mars" I don't say that, the scientific literature does. Those saying it's the sun made the idea up.
2. "hide the true decline in temperature.." No. The "hide the decline" remark referred to an APPARENT decline after ~1961 IF you went by tree ring proxies alone. This slowing of tree growth no longer corresponded to actual measured temperatures, after 1961 which had not declined. Google 'tree ring divergence'
cristop5 1 year ago
kingofthepaupers
3. "the temperature has gone down over the past 10 years" The temperature is still rising. Go to "ht tp://data.giss.nasa.g ov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts.txt" or "ht tp://w ww.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/hadcrut3vnh.txt" and see for yourself.
Copy & paste the last 10 years worth of global mean temperature data from either database onto a spreadsheet. Do a scatter plot & fit a trend line. The trend line slopes up, so it's warming. Give your $100 to a good charity.
cristop5 1 year ago
@cristop5
Jct: I'm not running around proving nothing for you. I bet $100. My identity is clear. Let's you and me pay up in 5 years. I bet they use a "trick to hide the decline" if there had not been a decline. You may want to argue that there was no decline for them to hide despite their using the trick to hide the decline, sure, let's up it to $200. Just state your true name and say "bet" and in 5 years, we'll hope one of us is clearly the winner. If you're right, I'll be honored to pay you.
kingofthepaupers 1 year ago
@kingofthepaupers So it's too much effort for you to copy & paste mean global temperature data onto a spreadsheet and do a regression line - even though I provided you with direct links to the relevant databases. I can't help that. You are clearly either not capable or not interested. So just go on believing that it's cooling - because someone said so. And believe the Mars thing too - because someone said so.
Re: "hide the decline" watch a video: /watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg&feature=related
cristop5 1 year ago
@cristop5 "it's too much effort"
Jct: Bingo.
That's why I say to put your money where your mouth is and you go help steer the world to your conclusion all you want while I stick to why they'd use a "trick to hide the decline" if, as you tell me, there was no decline for them to be using a trick to hide. Go ahead, bet anything you want up to $300 settleable in 5 years!
kingofthepaupers 1 year ago
@kingofthepaupers Hmm. How to teach someone when they won't look at any evidence. Can't be done.
Meanwhile, if there are any NON-cretinous people reading this:
Go to "ht tp://data.giss.nasa.g ov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts.txt" or "ht tp://w ww.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/hadcrut3vnh.txt"
Copy & paste the last 10 yrs worth of temp data onto a spreadsheet, do a scatter plot, fit a regression line and see if it slopes down. See it slope up? That means those who say it's cooling are wrong.
cristop5 1 year ago
cont'd: Similarly if anyone else is interested in what the "hide the decline" comment actually referred to: /watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg&feature=related
or you could read the three reports of the three investigations into the UEA email controversy. Here are the links:
1. ww w.publications.parliament.u k/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmsctech/387/387i.pdf
2. ww w.uea.ac.u k/mac/comm/media/press/CRUstatements/SAP
3. ww w.cce-review.o rg/pdf/FINAL REPORT.pdf
Or you could "stick to" being wilfully ignorant.
cristop5 1 year ago
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@cristop5 "Copy & paste 10 yrs worth of temp data..scatter plot, fit a regression line.. See it slope up? That means those who say it's cooling are wrong."
Jct: Good for you! So why can't you say: I bet $400 settleable in 5 years that you had sound data to (Control-A) Highlight All to then (Control-C) Copy it to clipboard and the (Control-V) Paste into a spreadsheet and then do a scatter plot to fit a regression line and see if it slopes up when I don't trust the data.
kingofthepaupers 1 year ago
@cristop5 What dataset are you using? Is it actual temp or "value added"? Has it passed through the hands of East Anglia CRU, or any government funded research center? Does it include tree-ring data, if so where was the tree located? Has heat-island been accounted for? Is the data averaged with satellite temperature readings? Is solar forcing accounted for? Unless you can say with 100% certainty that this data is unmodified, and taken at unbiased locations then you have nothing.
liOVERLOADil 1 year ago
@liOVERLOADil "What dataset are you using?" Dataset regarding what exactly? get specific and I'll be happy to address your question.
And if you have any peer reviewed studies that advance an alternative hypothesis as to why the troposhere is warming, lets have it. You could be the first!
cristop5 1 year ago
LMAO, that old guy claims that it was because they were just so damn loyal to each other that they didn't want to prove each other wrong.
Good thing we got to them before they degraded to pissing in the potted plants or riding boards down the stairs.
Monkor001 1 year ago
The CRU has been investigated by:
1. The House of Commons' Science and Technology Select Committee
and
2. An International Science Assessment Panel.
3. The Independent Climate Change E-mails Review
The findings of all inquiries are now in. Here they are:
1. ww w.publications.parliament.u k/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmsctech/387/387i.pdf
2. ww w.uea.ac.u k/mac/comm/media/press/CRUstatements/SAP
3. ww w.cce-review.o rg/pdf/FINAL REPORT.pdf
Professor Jones and the CRU were exonerated by all inquiries.
cristop5 1 year ago
@cristop5
Yeah, and Bush wanted Henry Kissinger to head the 9/11 Commission! The whole system is corrupt from the top down. They will whitewash this mess any way they can.
ModernPlague 1 year ago
@ModernPlague You could have followed the links I provided and read the three reports with an open mind before reaching a considered, defendable opinion.
But instead you tried to tie it in to some tangled, paranoid mish mash of conspiracies. Maybe you even had an Alex Jones style whiteboard to help you.
I'll grant you this though, believeing in a 9/11 conspiracy, chemtrails, FEMA death camps, lethal flu shots, the Illuminati/NWO etc is certainly more exciting!
cristop5 1 year ago
@cristop5
You're a tool. 9/11 was an inside job, and by the way you dismiss the idea, I can tell your ideas are worthless drivel spilled down to you from the elitist academics you defend.
If YOU believe so strongly in Anthropogenic Global Warming, here's a suggestion:
do your part and quit breathing-----no more pesky CO2, from you at least.
ModernPlague 1 year ago
@ModernPlague With well thought out arguments like those you have just advanced, there is no need for abuse my friend.
Here's a clip about 9/11:
watch?v=1qROovaGUEI&playnext=1&videos=ffWNds6Lq_k
This is one reason I don't believe it 9/11 was "an inside job". Love the exciting story, but I'm totally unimpressed with the 'supporting' evidence.
cristop5 1 year ago
Act party leader here in New Zealand has been saying Climate Change is bullshit & the Global push for an "Emissions Trading Scheme" (ETS) is a money making effort for a few bankers. The opposition parties here said That even though the facts are not proven either way, NZ has no choice but to go along with the ETS because the counties image will be damaged if we don't sign up. So essentially all countries are being extorted by a group of investment banks, and the scientists that fudge the reports
Playboysmurf1 1 year ago
the wikileaks heros said clearly that there was a massive "missinterpretation" of the mails in the mainstream media, abused by so called "sceptics" - (who are not a bit sceptic at all... its about confusing the public...3 days before copenhagen...)
I upload this statement soon.
Man made Climate change is fuckin real, and its threatening our planet.
Even if AGW were not real..but we know it is.., there is the dramatic(!) ocean acidification going on, caused by co2.
watch?v=ok_Wm3nN54w
aerobique 1 year ago
So... the warming scare is a fraud... I wonder how many of the things I'm afraid of are manufactured for someone's gain.
ParrhesiaJoe 1 year ago 7
@ParrhesiaJoe Standard operating procedure for the government is to manufacture fear for politicians' gain.
PissedFechtmeister 1 year ago
@ParrhesiaJoe im not afriad of anything,but i see what your saying,wonder who is reall in charge of humanity,apparently not the scientist that say global warming is false,apparently not the engineers that say steel buildings dont fall from fire.apparently not the people that said jfk wasnt shot by 1 person with a piece of shit gun that couldnt even get 3 shots of that quick let alone acurate.
18wheeler76 1 year ago
@ParrhesiaJoe many,believe me - many :-)common sense - that's what people lack nowadays :-):-)
TheAngelusSilesius 1 year ago
@TheAngelusSilesius I prefer to think that people were raised to believe their government was the best in the world... past all this bullshit. We learned in school that this stuff doesn't happen. To question that is to implicitly charge that the schools (That we send our children to) are unwitting engines of indoctrination.
Painful stuff to realize... I don't blame people for taking a LOT of evidence before they flip.
The bright side? LOTS AND LOTS of damning evidence... and YouTube.
ParrhesiaJoe 1 year ago
@ParrhesiaJoe You said it! as lame as people are, the time has never been so ripe for the people to triumph. The internet is helping spread the message faster than ever, and the the truth is reaching everyone world wide. Lets expose the Elite and shame them out of their support system
HashburryFilms 10 months ago
@ParrhesiaJoe Just look toward the media for the answer. We are all slaves, whether we like it or not, we are controlled and manipulated every single day of our lives.
f00king 1 year ago
@ParrhesiaJoe Great great Statement! Vaccines are toxic chemicals used on PPL because they are scared of any symptoms. Everyone is scared of something false, and are tricked into using harmful products
HashburryFilms 10 months ago
@ParrhesiaJoe to many xD
UrSoMeanBoss 9 months ago
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When the sea level comes up just a few meters, the dollar cost of the damage done will exceed the global Gross Domestic Product, thereby making economists and The Global Economy irrelevant. I challenge anyone to do the numbers and prove me wrong.
bimmjim 1 year ago
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When the sea level comes up just a few meters, the dollar cost of the damage done will exceed the global Gross Domestic Product, thereby making economists and The Global Economy irrelevant. I challenge anyone to do the numbers and prove me wrong.
bimmjim 1 year ago
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When the sea level comes up just a few meters, the dollar cost of the damage done will exceed the global Gross Domestic Product, thereby making economists and The Global Economy irrelevant. I challenge anyone to do the numbers and prove me wrong.
bimmjim 1 year ago
Unfortunately it seems as if Climategate did not convince the Senate to drop the climate change bill they are planning on passing, as I said in my video.
electio538politicus 1 year ago
Climate science news
NCAR: Scientists can't measure all heat trapped on Earth
Half of the energy captured by greenhouse gases isn't accounted for
About half of the total amount of heat entering the atmosphere is unaccounted for, according a study in Science that suggests the oceans are absorbing energy that will haunt us sooner or later.
BOULDER DAILY CAMERA
COLORADO
By Sarah Horn For the Camera
Posted: 04/15/2010 06:18:49 PM MDT
bobhawks 1 year ago
Climate science news
NCAR: Scientists can't measure all heat trapped on Earth
Half of the energy captured by greenhouse gases isn't accounted for
About half of the total amount of heat entering the atmosphere is unaccounted for, according a study in Science that suggests the oceans are absorbing energy that will haunt us sooner or later.
BOULDER DAILY CAMERA
COLORADO
By Sarah Horn For the Camera
Posted: 04/15/2010 06:18:49 PM MDT
bobhawks 1 year ago
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Impacts of climate change in the news
Global floating ice in "constant retreat": study
Apr 28 2010
LONDON (Reuters) - The world's floating ice is in "constant retreat," showing an instability which will increase global sea levels, according to a report published in Geophysical Research Letters on Wednesday.
NORTH POLE ICE-FREE BY 2050?
The study did not shed new light on how soon the North Pole may be ice-free in summer, which many climate experts say could happen by 2050, perhaps even earlier.
Nightversionn 1 year ago
Climate science news
NCAR: Scientists can't measure all heat trapped on Earth
Half of the energy captured by greenhouse gases isn't accounted for
About half of the total amount of heat entering the atmosphere is unaccounted for, according a study in Science that suggests the oceans are absorbing energy that will haunt us sooner or later.
BOULDER DAILY CAMERA
COLORADO
By Sarah Horn For the Camera
Posted: 04/15/2010 06:18:49 PM MDT
Nightversionn 1 year ago
@Niightversionn
Oh I see, still impersonating people Spitfiremacx,
(I mean N ii ghtversionn Nigh tt versionn
Nightver ss ion, Nightversiom, Nightverslon, Nightversionnn, Nightttversion, Nightverssion, aryhuk etc...)
Further proof global warming deniers are lame and have no peer-reviewed science
You're 69 year old impersonator now stalker
Quit IMPERSONATING people
Youre a GLOBAL WARMING DENIER with no science so all you can do is play stupid games --Yet further proof deniers are FRAUDS
Nightversionn 1 year ago
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Impacts of climate change in the news
NEW STUDY SAYS OCEANS CHEMISTRY CHANGING RAPIDLY
The chemistry of the oceans is changing faster than it has in hundreds of thousands of years because of the carbon dioxide being absorbed from the atmosphere, the National Research Council reported Thursday.
ASSOCIATED PRESS
April 23, 2010
Nightversionn 1 year ago
Environmental news
Report: Despite Global Action, Biodiversity Is Declining
In a study published in Science, a team of scientists and environmentalists from around the world assessed the state of global biodiversity and found that it has been in steady decline. Human beings rely on a healthy, diverse planet too, and when the Earth suffers, so do we
on, Biodiversity Is Declining
By BRYAN WALSH Thursday, Apr. 29, 2010
Reported in Time Magazine
Nightversionn 1 year ago
Nightversionn 1 year ago
@Niightversionn
1. Both Michael Mann and the CRU have been investigated and exonerated.
2. The "hockey stick" shaped graph was basically correct. In response to McIntyre & McKitrick's criticisms, the Mann (1998) dataset was re-analysed using the full proxy network & a better principle components method. The hockey stick shape remained. Read all about it here, if you're not afraid of science that is.
w ww.cgd.ucar.e du/ccr/ammann/millennium/refs/Wahl_ClimChange2007.p d f
(remove spaces)
cristop5 1 year ago
Blasphemer. How dare to speak out against the Church of Climate Change. ManBearPig is real.
Jerricho68 1 year ago
hmm interesting
Vakrian 1 year ago
Snowing in Texas and all over the planet where most have never even seen snow before in their lifetimes. I guess we blame this on global warming too? lol
luvmyctd 1 year ago 8
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@luvmyctd Ive got news for you America is not the world in fact the world has been above average temperatures,do some research & dont lisson to these payed spinmasters from oil & coal.,Climate change is real.
kickatoe 1 year ago
lol, I used Texas as an example ... how about Europe? I'd suggest you do the same and open your mind ... I too was once of your opinion until I started looking around. Good luck.
luvmyctd 1 year ago
it´s the same in Europe and Asia, idiot
HomoGnosticus 1 year ago
@kickatoe Man-made climate change is not real. We are lucky to be in a natural warm period. Cold kills more people than heat. The huge money is being paid by governemnts to "prove" man-made climate change.
whistler2255 1 year ago
@whistler2255 I meant to give you the middle finger but i couldn't see you so ill just say it go get fucked Denier an suck my BALLS.
bobhawks 1 year ago
@bobhawks Wow! What an astonishing argument for your side! Is that the best you can do? Al Gore is not a scientist. He's a snake oil salesman looking to get rich on carbon trading. When are all you warmists going to wake up?
whistler2255 1 year ago
@luvmyctd Oh, look, another person who can't seem to grasp the difference between weather and climate.
TheGuest4000 1 year ago
@TheGuest4000 Kinda like the difference between lying and fibbing.
cano21 1 year ago
Blah. There were no hackers. This is the oligarchs out. They knew they wouldn't be able to keep this sham going since the sun won't allow them to ;)
bweazel 1 year ago
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STILL WARMING!
For an excellent new scientific YouTube investigating the COOLING claims on Global Temps. see:
Climate Change -- Has the Earth been cooling?
/watch?v=xvMmPtEt8dc&feature=sub
HOTTEST JANUARY in UAH satellite record
(UAH/Dr. Christy, renown denier)
"This is the warmest January in the 32-year satellite-based data record."
To see the graph of the "UAH Globally Averaged Satellite-Based Temperature of the Lower Atmosphere, 1979-2010"
Search:
Hottest January in UAH satellite record
goog2k 1 year ago
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Watch my video
It's about Climate change, earth catastrophe = Earth shift. Continental Drift: One huge continent became 2 continents, then 5 (or 6) and then?
The missing link -----> Two Continents.
watch?v=j7I_eFoIk64
fridaysabtu 1 year ago
In loyalty to each other.. hahaha year right!
It is steered from above their heads.. One or two spread disinfo from above, the rest just follows..
belvedere106 1 year ago
On the other hand u have got raw data wich tells u the other way..
-Cooling in the last 8 - 10 years
-Man made not proven but speculated
-CO2 does not make the temp raise itsd the other way around
...
belvedere106 1 year ago 3
On one hand, you have the Nobel Prize-winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change as well as the science academies of every developed nation in the world confirming that:
-climate change is real
-it is caused by human activity
-it is threatening the planet in ways we can only begin to imagine
bobhawks 1 year ago
what about the medieval warm period or the fact that we were in an ice age then rose out of it without any humans burning hydrocarbons. the nobel prize lost most of its relevance after arafat and gore won their respective prizes.
umrmecheman 1 year ago 19
@umrmecheman The MWP has been deemed to be regional or hemispherical at best.
TRUMPHENT 1 year ago
@umrmecheman You are creating a fallacious argument. No climatologist ever stated that there weren't natural forcings and feedbacks that affected the climate. They do state that mans emissions are adding greenhouse gases into the atmosphere heightening those feedbacks, which is based on physics. In order to disprove global warming you'll have to disprove quantum physics.
WaxItYourself 1 year ago
@umrmecheman your right about the medieval time period but over looking one thing and that is that warm period the world wasnt burning hydrocarbons and the global population was alot thinner than it is today.I think burning fossil fuels was a godd idea when we started but never adapted our energy source when usage and population started a boom.I aslo thin that their are equally greater threats to our race that are even equal to climate change and its all due to one thing and thatisoverpopulation
wizarddragon 1 year ago
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whistler2255 1 year ago
@bobhawks I meant to give a thumb down, but clicked at the wrong spot. Anyway, lots of people were wrong before when they all used to say the sun revolved around the earth. The UN has an agenda, and that is for us rich nations to hand over reparations to poor countries for using all the oil and gas before they got a chance to become developed
whistler2255 1 year ago
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@whistler2255 Climate science news
NCAR: Scientists can't measure all heat trapped on Earth
Half of the energy captured by greenhouse gases isn't accounted for
About half of the total amount of heat entering the atmosphere is unaccounted for, according a study in Science that suggests the oceans are absorbing energy that will haunt us sooner or later.
BOULDER DAILY CAMERA
COLORADO
By Sarah Horn For the Camera
Posted: 04/15/2010 06:18:49 PM MDT
bobhawks 1 year ago
Al Gore should be stripped of all his assets and thrown into one the for-profit super prisons he loves so much.
luvmyctd 2 years ago 4
Personally, I think he should be put in jail for treason
bweazel 1 year ago
"computer codes they've adjusted to cut off the recent period of global cooling" - Peter Lilly
Peter go and read the emails again and then do a little research on the topic before open your stupid tory mouth.
Hint: The cutoff data relates to the tree ring proxy temperature, the cut off portion is known to be wrong because it disagrees with the actual temperature measurements over that period. It has nothing to do with the temperatures over the last 10 years.
augnkn93043 2 years ago
@augnkn93043 This begs the question if the data was wrong when compared to actual temp records over the past 100 years or so, then how do we it was correct for the previous 900. Answer: We don't.
seanyboy12341 1 year ago
@seanyboy12341 yes it does "beg the question". So I looked for the answer and found it. Answer : Go and educate yourself.
augnkn93043 1 year ago
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Oil backed media = lies
smacdon 2 years ago
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whats next... 911 was a inside job?
leenooi31 2 years ago
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U.N. climate chief Rajendra Pachauri admitted in today's news, of five glaring errors discovered in one paragraph of the world's most authoritative report on global warming. This report is driving climate change hysteria and causing the world to increase debt to fight an unfounded "global warming caused by humans" farce. The true data being now revealed is making an idealogical and elitist scientific group look like fools. Their greed for funding has turned them into political puppets.
LordPillsbury1959 2 years ago
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The evidence for AGW is overwhelming. The IPCC's screw ups look awful but they do not detract from the evidence for AGW.
As for increasing debt to fight AGW, if you do not accept the evidence for AGW then it makes no sense to talk about the solution.
acidgawd999 2 years ago
weve been swindeled
wachutalkinboutbitch 2 years ago
This new religion of man-made global warming is even worse than Islam, and that takes some doing!
MrEnglishPatriot 2 years ago 6
I still don't see how people can really believe we have more of an effect on temperature than the sun....I mean, you can't even stare at it, it is MILLIONS OF MILES AWAY, and it will peel your skin right off in the tropics...it powers everything on earth. It heats the whole ocean...are we coming to something even close to that powerful?
If active sunsopts dictate it is going to get warmer, I don't see how spending $100 Trillion is going to save anyone.
gladiator1010 2 years ago 10
Well as a matter of a fact, the sunspot count has recently dropped almost to none.
So we shall see if that temperatures start dropping.
Finlandcitizen 2 years ago 2
They have been dropping for the last 8 years :)
But I like it warmer anyways....what's the big deal...like the artic is ever going to stop getting below zero...it is soooo far below zero there is no danger of it EVER "fully" melting
gladiator1010 2 years ago
It's a big issue, becouse otherwise Al Gore doesn't any money from all hi's acts of super heroisim.
Like the time he invented the Internet! :D
Finlandcitizen 2 years ago 6
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jakempoosie 2 years ago
Global warming has been proven to be a natural process. If you take a look at the graphs provided, which go back over 400,000 years, you can see that there have been warming and cooling periods.
Also, you will notice that the warming and cooling periods occurred without the interaction of homosapiens.
Pvtjamesryan2 2 years ago 4
Man made global warming is a hoax and now we have the e-mails to prove it.
maximusdecimus888 2 years ago 7
so the scientist proft the most huh, how abhout the elite globalist who are pushing this for cap and trade and a price tg f 145 trillion, yeah ok, the scientist are the big winners
KhaosOdensland 2 years ago 2
IPCC....Absolute idiots... Want to reduce carbon emissions? PLANT A FRIGGIN TREE!!!!
ThisIDig 2 years ago
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ImNotGoingtobePC 2 years ago
@StunnedByStupidity is by his own ignorance, patently stupid. He has not read (evidently) at all the subtleties of the subject. You can predict the next words out of his keyboard. Very predictable dated science. He actually quotes sources that have been debunked completely. Whatever happened to intelligent debate ? I hope he keeps posting, as it helps the skeptics of the AGW theory.
airboat4477 2 years ago
@airboat4477 boy you are a credulous moron. Heard some moronic right winger and that all you need eh?
StunnedByStupidity 2 years ago
@StunnedByStupidity, have you read the IPCC report and the NIPCC report? I have and I am stunned by your stupidity.
newnoggin2 2 years ago
@newnoggin2 yeah, and which bit did you take issue with? I mean you should write up a SCIENTIFIC PAPER and put those scientists right about where they have been going wrong for the last 150 years.
StunnedByStupidity 2 years ago
The IPCC's models are now considered a spectacular failure. They failed to predict anything accurately for the last 15 years. The reason is obvious to any thinking person. They were charged with the task of monitoring man-made global climate change. If they find none, then they lose their funding. It is in their charter. The statisticians of the world are up in arms because of the weighting in their models. The whole thing is so obviously corrupt that nobody should pay it any attention at all.
md75yt38 2 years ago