Thank you. That was a very clear and helpful vdo. I have heard these terms very often but didnt really know what they meant. Now I know what they mean, cant wait to experiment it on the txm. Very nice video.
Not sure if you have either of these yet, but could you do a video on the blade msrx and blade 450 3D, talking about the expo and dual rates also. I really liked this video and am trying to learn all I can about expo and dual rate. Thanks!!!
hi mate, i have a brandnew dx6i and when i put expo on it minimises (but only slightly so dont know if it will actually effect the sevro throw) how far each chanel on the monter moves. i dont know if this is right and have not had a chance to test it on a real rc plane as im getting my new plane for xmas.
i tested it by puttng 100% duel raetes on and 100% expo on high rates and 100% and no expo on low rates.
this made it clear the it affect the duel rates bit only slightly.
@erkrystof hey. thanks for the vids! when you said that spektrum uses positive expo instead of negative..can you comfirm?because a couple guys on the forums are setting up there dx6i's in flightn mode with negative expo,and it makes the heli more sensative to stick movement.thanks bro.
@pjb00stin Technically, you can do either positive or negative with any transmitter that supports it. We say 'Spektrum uses positive' because 99% of those using expo are using it to numb the stick around the center point. Setting up Spektrum with *negative* expo would make it much more sensitive around center point just like you stated. Hope that helps.
@mike100000011 you have to setup the switch the "FM" or flight mode. go to the adjust list i believe,then scroll to D/R combo and change "INH" to FM..goodluck bro
@mike100000011 Helicopter models support using FM for combined DR, airplane memory model settings don't, you have to choose one of your three you listed as the combined switch. Wish they did.
Let me tell you something men, Mega Thanks for this video. There are does who teach and there are teachers. You my friend is an awesome teacher. Both the mathematical explanation and the visual are excellent. Thanks again.
@madde78273 That's pretty much spot on, madde. Dual rates can do the same as well, but they're usually used for toggling between a high and low rate for when you're going really fast or really slow with a craft, since speed and/or maneuvers will make your control surfaces more sensitive, like hovering compared to inverted tick tocks, etc.
Thank you for making this video, it clears up a lot. I now get it. One question though, my flap/gyro switch seems to function the same as clicking the left stick would on the rtf controller (lp4dsm). Up is low rates and down is high on my msr. Would this be the same on any aircraft that supports dual rates with that controller? For instance my micro t-28 says in the manual that it has dual rates via clicking that stick, would the flap/gyro switch do the same thing? Can it be disabled?
@timbukII That's very interesting. I have not seen that before with the flap/gyro switch. If you go into the DR/EXPO menu for your model on the DX6i and flip that switch do you see the dual rates toggle? Did you set up any rates on that model or was it just bound and flown?
My gut thought is that it may work on some, but I wouldn't expect it on everything.
@erkrystof I think I figured it out. If you go to the gyro setting, you can set the rates that the switch activates. I had 0 at 50% and 1 at 100%. When I got the msr I had not had the dx6i long enough to know anything and I think I used settings I found on rcgroups or helifreak. It has something to do with the msr using channel 5 on the stock controller to switch between dual rates by clicking the left stick down. On the dx6i that is the gyro channel so you can set it up there.
@timbukII Excellent work getting that settled! Hopefully this can help others as well in the future as they move the bind and fly types from the rtf controllers to other transmitters.
@erkrystof You know I get the feeling that r/c is an area where things start to seem more intuitive the longer you do it or the more you know. The first time I scrolled through the menus of my DX6I I thought "Oh no, this is not going to end well" I had the same anxiety I used to get when I was trying to solve math problems that were totally beyond me. Somehow I missed the whole bit about physically flipping the switch to change the numbers on the display from 0 to 1. Thanks again, good job.
@timbukII That is spot on. It does get easier the more you immerse yourself in it, and intuition will grow. I had the exact same anxiety with the DX6i (my first programmable TX), which by many standards is the easiest to program, though I sure didn't think so at the time! Glad to be of service.
@ehsanaman222 Yes, FM is only available for helicopter model types (don't know why). You can still combine all dual rates into one switch for an airplane, you just can't choose the FM switch, so pick aile, rudd, or elev switches to control all dual rates at once if you're on an airplane type. Basically, you don't lose 'combined' dual rate functionality, you just can't do it with that specific switch on an airplane. Hope that helps. (This was current with the dx6i I had, new models may change)
Fantastic series of videos :) You explained not only what I wanted to know, but also made it so straight forward and easy to understand that I can move forward with more confidence, without having the feeling that I’m stabbing in the dark!
great work, I'm fairly new to the rc hobby and was trying to figure out what all the jargin in my tx was,...thank u so much for clearing some of this up for me, myabe my flying will improve now,....."thinking"....."hmmmm"...."uhhhhh"..."well",...maybe my flying won't improve but I can help tame down the wild style I've developed,lol, thanx again,PEEEAAACCE!!!!
thank you very much. i now understand how this function works. i also admire that you know how the radio works. many of us are lost and only know how to use basic functions. Thanks again. oh, how do you increase the throw for the servos when using wing tail mix - elevons on the dx6i?
@boywaimea Check out the 'Travel Adj' function - aka - Travel Adjust - which dictates how far your servos travel. That combined with your dual rates are the primary options on your transmitter for adjusting servo throw.
When i go to the d/r combi setting on my DX6i, I only get options for aile, rudd, elev and inhibited...I don't get an option for FM. My manual says there should be an option for "gear" mode not "fm". If my DX6i messed up or is there another setting I need to change?
@PartNinja Yes, FM is only available for helicopter model types (don't know why). You can still combine all dual rates into one switch for an airplane, you just can't choose the FM switch, so pick aile, rudd, or elev switches to control all dual rates at once if you're on an airplane type. Basically, you don't lose 'combined' dual rate functionality, you just can't do it with that specific switch on an airplane. Hope that helps.
@Nickpec10 Mostly I do articles and videos on my site (link on my channel) I don't really do live shows at the moment, though sometimes I just have my live cam up while I'm putzing around. :)
@streetspec1 Thanks, streetspec! I'm not sure exactly what you mean on your mSR issue. If you'd like to start an email dialogue, just shoot me a message here or on my site and I can get a better idea of what's happening. I think what's confusing me here is the gyro settings, are you changing those? Or do you mean the dual rates for the channels?
@erkrystof This is not an issue with my MSR it is more an issue with the DX6i because it happens to both of my MSR´s. Try it yourself. My setup on the Gyro is: position zero 55% - position one 97%. Now if you switch between these (pos 1 + 0) you´ll mention a lack of power on pos. 0
@streetspec1 Ah, okay, thanks for clearing that up. I've not tried changing the mSR gyro specifically since it's such a 'fire and forget' type of flyer, in fact, I didn't even know it supported a remote gain, neat!
As for the throttle/gyro relation itself... Not that I'm doubting you at all, just more of a double check - your throttle curve graph looks exactly the same in both positions, right? I only ask because I agree - it's really odd that gyro gain would affect throttle so adversely!
@lollavid I assume you're changing D/R on a airplane model memory slot and NOT a helicopter slot? If the model memory you're changing is an airplane, you don't get the FM option (I don't know why). You can still use one Rudder, Aileron, or Elevator switch to get the same effect, though. Hope that helps!
That was excellent. I'm embarrassed I own the dx61 and didnt know there was an option to set DR up to all on with one switch. however I like the individual control. For my Super Chipmunk I leave the rudder on HR and the rest on low till Im ready to do some aerobatics with it.
Thanks, cholubaz, glad to be of service, and also glad to see a good example of why the one switch to rule them all is not always applicable based on personal taste and the craft being flown.
Thanks, Gazzazh, and you bet, I am actually laying down some footage for that today! If I get on a good work vibe and my real work doesn't intervene, I may just have it up tonight or tomorrow!
Gazzazh, the video that covers the differences between the dx7 and dx6 d/r expo is rendering... Uploading it today, and I'll make it public once it's done processing in youtube.
Great and thanks for keeping me informed, Can't wait : )
I am sure its going to be as informative as all your other videos
the information you include and describe are both great for beginners and intermediate flyers such as myself... .. Looking forward to watching it :) Cheers
Excellent, glad to hear that it helped. I prefer the one switch myself, more so that I only have to use that one without having to 'feel around' for switches while flying. That really kind of scares me with helicopters. Airplanes, not so much, but flicking three different switches to change a helicopter's rates... Yikes!
Like just because of the dramatic pause.
austin3013 1 week ago
@austin3013 PENIS!
detective106 1 week ago
Thank you. That was a very clear and helpful vdo. I have heard these terms very often but didnt really know what they meant. Now I know what they mean, cant wait to experiment it on the txm. Very nice video.
2ezy2c 1 month ago
Very well explained , smart and very helpful. We need more of ur videos .
Some light humor u have .
EXCELLENT>>
AkilaniMiami 1 month ago
Not sure if you have either of these yet, but could you do a video on the blade msrx and blade 450 3D, talking about the expo and dual rates also. I really liked this video and am trying to learn all I can about expo and dual rate. Thanks!!!
Bynum4life 1 month ago
Massively helpful! thank you!
Aaaaaagggghhhhhh 1 month ago
WOW! thank you. slowely this will sink in. thank you again for such a excellent part i nthe DX6I how to... perfection
fishycomics 1 month ago
by any chance do u no or if any one can tell me how if u can make the servos move slower for the landing gear or flaps on the Dx6i ?
CB1RflyingRc 2 months ago
hi mate, i have a brandnew dx6i and when i put expo on it minimises (but only slightly so dont know if it will actually effect the sevro throw) how far each chanel on the monter moves. i dont know if this is right and have not had a chance to test it on a real rc plane as im getting my new plane for xmas.
i tested it by puttng 100% duel raetes on and 100% expo on high rates and 100% and no expo on low rates.
this made it clear the it affect the duel rates bit only slightly.
many thanks
jack10996 2 months ago
@erkrystof hey. thanks for the vids! when you said that spektrum uses positive expo instead of negative..can you comfirm?because a couple guys on the forums are setting up there dx6i's in flightn mode with negative expo,and it makes the heli more sensative to stick movement.thanks bro.
pjb00stin 2 months ago
@pjb00stin Technically, you can do either positive or negative with any transmitter that supports it. We say 'Spektrum uses positive' because 99% of those using expo are using it to numb the stick around the center point. Setting up Spektrum with *negative* expo would make it much more sensitive around center point just like you stated. Hope that helps.
erkrystof 2 months ago
y dont i have the FM option in my DR Combie
i only have aleron rudder and elevator
mike100000011 3 months ago
@mike100000011 you have to setup the switch the "FM" or flight mode. go to the adjust list i believe,then scroll to D/R combo and change "INH" to FM..goodluck bro
pjb00stin 2 months ago
@mike100000011 Helicopter models support using FM for combined DR, airplane memory model settings don't, you have to choose one of your three you listed as the combined switch. Wish they did.
erkrystof 2 months ago
Let me tell you something men, Mega Thanks for this video. There are does who teach and there are teachers. You my friend is an awesome teacher. Both the mathematical explanation and the visual are excellent. Thanks again.
maskog 4 months ago
@maskog Thanks!
erkrystof 2 months ago
Nice video. Entertaining and knowledgeable. Sub'd. Good work.
kidovate 4 months ago
Thank you, verry helpfull!
gagaricka 4 months ago
I liked the "dramatic pause" :D I never used D/R to learn flying helis,but this was very helpful in knowing how to set it up. Efxaristo!
thedoorsbiggestfan 6 months ago
@thedoorsbiggestfan My pleasure.
erkrystof 5 months ago
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sami112000 6 months ago
What is the difference between travel and dual rate? is travel just to set your throw as to not over extend surfaces and work the servo to much?
madde78273 6 months ago
@madde78273 That's pretty much spot on, madde. Dual rates can do the same as well, but they're usually used for toggling between a high and low rate for when you're going really fast or really slow with a craft, since speed and/or maneuvers will make your control surfaces more sensitive, like hovering compared to inverted tick tocks, etc.
erkrystof 5 months ago
Very helpful
Johno19691 9 months ago
very nice and very helpful video dude!
can u do a video explaining the mix 1 and 2 settings?
xxaaeerroo 9 months ago
@xxaaeerroo Thank you! I hope to come back to mixing at some point, few more projects first, but it's on the list!
erkrystof 9 months ago
very helpful
rcjuggernaut 9 months ago
@rcjuggernaut Thank you!
erkrystof 9 months ago
Thank you for making this video, it clears up a lot. I now get it. One question though, my flap/gyro switch seems to function the same as clicking the left stick would on the rtf controller (lp4dsm). Up is low rates and down is high on my msr. Would this be the same on any aircraft that supports dual rates with that controller? For instance my micro t-28 says in the manual that it has dual rates via clicking that stick, would the flap/gyro switch do the same thing? Can it be disabled?
timbukII 10 months ago
@timbukII That's very interesting. I have not seen that before with the flap/gyro switch. If you go into the DR/EXPO menu for your model on the DX6i and flip that switch do you see the dual rates toggle? Did you set up any rates on that model or was it just bound and flown?
My gut thought is that it may work on some, but I wouldn't expect it on everything.
erkrystof 9 months ago
@erkrystof I think I figured it out. If you go to the gyro setting, you can set the rates that the switch activates. I had 0 at 50% and 1 at 100%. When I got the msr I had not had the dx6i long enough to know anything and I think I used settings I found on rcgroups or helifreak. It has something to do with the msr using channel 5 on the stock controller to switch between dual rates by clicking the left stick down. On the dx6i that is the gyro channel so you can set it up there.
timbukII 9 months ago
@timbukII Excellent work getting that settled! Hopefully this can help others as well in the future as they move the bind and fly types from the rtf controllers to other transmitters.
erkrystof 9 months ago
@erkrystof You know I get the feeling that r/c is an area where things start to seem more intuitive the longer you do it or the more you know. The first time I scrolled through the menus of my DX6I I thought "Oh no, this is not going to end well" I had the same anxiety I used to get when I was trying to solve math problems that were totally beyond me. Somehow I missed the whole bit about physically flipping the switch to change the numbers on the display from 0 to 1. Thanks again, good job.
timbukII 9 months ago
@timbukII That is spot on. It does get easier the more you immerse yourself in it, and intuition will grow. I had the exact same anxiety with the DX6i (my first programmable TX), which by many standards is the easiest to program, though I sure didn't think so at the time! Glad to be of service.
erkrystof 9 months ago
very good video dude!
xxaaeerroo 10 months ago
@xxaaeerroo Thank you!
erkrystof 10 months ago
When I go into D/R COMBI... FM is not listed... please advise. I see rudder, eleveator, aileron,...but no FM. ??
ehsanaman222 10 months ago
@ehsanaman222 Yes, FM is only available for helicopter model types (don't know why). You can still combine all dual rates into one switch for an airplane, you just can't choose the FM switch, so pick aile, rudd, or elev switches to control all dual rates at once if you're on an airplane type. Basically, you don't lose 'combined' dual rate functionality, you just can't do it with that specific switch on an airplane. Hope that helps. (This was current with the dx6i I had, new models may change)
erkrystof 10 months ago
@erkrystof ...You are absolutely right! I just tried setting it on Aileron and it combined all of it into one. Thanks for the tip :-)
ehsanaman222 10 months ago
@ehsanaman222 You're quite welcome!
erkrystof 10 months ago
Fantastic series of videos :) You explained not only what I wanted to know, but also made it so straight forward and easy to understand that I can move forward with more confidence, without having the feeling that I’m stabbing in the dark!
artketchup 11 months ago
@artketchup My pleasure, artketchup, I'm very glad it helped.
erkrystof 11 months ago
great work, I'm fairly new to the rc hobby and was trying to figure out what all the jargin in my tx was,...thank u so much for clearing some of this up for me, myabe my flying will improve now,....."thinking"....."hmmmm"...."uhhhhh"..."well",...maybe my flying won't improve but I can help tame down the wild style I've developed,lol, thanx again,PEEEAAACCE!!!!
cafediablo30 11 months ago
@cafediablo30 You're quite welcome, cafediablo!
erkrystof 11 months ago
thank you very much. i now understand how this function works. i also admire that you know how the radio works. many of us are lost and only know how to use basic functions. Thanks again. oh, how do you increase the throw for the servos when using wing tail mix - elevons on the dx6i?
boywaimea 1 year ago
@boywaimea Check out the 'Travel Adj' function - aka - Travel Adjust - which dictates how far your servos travel. That combined with your dual rates are the primary options on your transmitter for adjusting servo throw.
erkrystof 1 year ago
after 2 months searching you explained how to set up the dx6i 4 my msr.thanks
dosklown 1 year ago
@dosklown My pleasure!
erkrystof 1 year ago
Thank you again for your Videos you make everything seem so clear. Thanks
Corinthoswarehouse 1 year ago
@Corinthoswarehouse That's what I'm going for, thank you! Just need to keep telling myself to slow down sometimes :)
erkrystof 1 year ago
Fantastic video, very well presented and easy to understand, thanks.
djjaxon 1 year ago
@djjaxon You're quite welcome!
erkrystof 1 year ago
Excellent videos ! Thanks you've saved me a lot of time !
Gasoil4ever 1 year ago
@Gasoil4ever My pleasure, I'm glad it saved you time!
erkrystof 1 year ago
Awesome video , It helped me alot.
lucasberg 1 year ago
Thanks for the videos. Just getting into what expo is all about, 5* as they used to say.
mattyfly4fun 1 year ago
@mattyfly4fun Quite welcome, glad they have helped you!
erkrystof 1 year ago
please help, i dont have the fm option in d/r combo
trand95 1 year ago
@trand95 Check out the comments below, hope that helps!
erkrystof 1 year ago
When i go to the d/r combi setting on my DX6i, I only get options for aile, rudd, elev and inhibited...I don't get an option for FM. My manual says there should be an option for "gear" mode not "fm". If my DX6i messed up or is there another setting I need to change?
PartNinja 1 year ago
@PartNinja Are you in your d/r combi menu on a helicopter model type or airplane model type?
erkrystof 1 year ago
@erkrystof - I am in the airplane model type. Will this only work for the helo setting?
PartNinja 1 year ago
@PartNinja Yes, FM is only available for helicopter model types (don't know why). You can still combine all dual rates into one switch for an airplane, you just can't choose the FM switch, so pick aile, rudd, or elev switches to control all dual rates at once if you're on an airplane type. Basically, you don't lose 'combined' dual rate functionality, you just can't do it with that specific switch on an airplane. Hope that helps.
erkrystof 1 year ago
Nice series of videos.. thanks for putting in the effort.
Phrozius 1 year ago
@Phrozius Appreciated, Phrozius, always adding more in the future. I'm afraid the series may never truly end! :)
erkrystof 1 year ago
Your are a genus! haha ur realy good do u do shows all the time?
Nickpec10 1 year ago
@Nickpec10 Mostly I do articles and videos on my site (link on my channel) I don't really do live shows at the moment, though sometimes I just have my live cam up while I'm putzing around. :)
erkrystof 1 year ago
@erkrystof
you should do them more often your very good at explaining this... could you possible do one for the mixes and how to set flaps up?
Nickpec10 1 year ago
@Nickpec10 That can certainly be arranged, Nick! I'll try and do that one next after the brushless motor video.
erkrystof 1 year ago
great Video
eastcoast78 1 year ago
Well done D/R&EXPO simple and clear!
Thank you.
peperpimenta 1 year ago
@peperpimenta You're very welcome!
erkrystof 1 year ago
Nice video! Very well done. Keep up the "dramatic pause" :-)
Do you have any idea why throttle is affected by the gyro settings. This is annoying! If i switch to a lower rate i don´t have full power on my MSR.
thanks in advance
streetspec1 1 year ago
@streetspec1 Thanks, streetspec! I'm not sure exactly what you mean on your mSR issue. If you'd like to start an email dialogue, just shoot me a message here or on my site and I can get a better idea of what's happening. I think what's confusing me here is the gyro settings, are you changing those? Or do you mean the dual rates for the channels?
erkrystof 1 year ago
@erkrystof This is not an issue with my MSR it is more an issue with the DX6i because it happens to both of my MSR´s. Try it yourself. My setup on the Gyro is: position zero 55% - position one 97%. Now if you switch between these (pos 1 + 0) you´ll mention a lack of power on pos. 0
greets
streetspec1 1 year ago
@streetspec1 Ah, okay, thanks for clearing that up. I've not tried changing the mSR gyro specifically since it's such a 'fire and forget' type of flyer, in fact, I didn't even know it supported a remote gain, neat!
As for the throttle/gyro relation itself... Not that I'm doubting you at all, just more of a double check - your throttle curve graph looks exactly the same in both positions, right? I only ask because I agree - it's really odd that gyro gain would affect throttle so adversely!
erkrystof 1 year ago
A question: I don't have an "FM" option under D/R SW. Is there something I need to do to activate this option?
lollavid 1 year ago
@lollavid I assume you're changing D/R on a airplane model memory slot and NOT a helicopter slot? If the model memory you're changing is an airplane, you don't get the FM option (I don't know why). You can still use one Rudder, Aileron, or Elevator switch to get the same effect, though. Hope that helps!
erkrystof 1 year ago
That was excellent. I'm embarrassed I own the dx61 and didnt know there was an option to set DR up to all on with one switch. however I like the individual control. For my Super Chipmunk I leave the rudder on HR and the rest on low till Im ready to do some aerobatics with it.
cholubaz 1 year ago
Thanks, cholubaz, glad to be of service, and also glad to see a good example of why the one switch to rule them all is not always applicable based on personal taste and the craft being flown.
erkrystof 1 year ago
Nic vid!
;)
kristofer091994 2 years ago
@kristofer091994 Thanks, kristofer!
erkrystof 1 year ago
are you going to do another video for dx7
gazzazh 2 years ago
Thanks, Gazzazh, and you bet, I am actually laying down some footage for that today! If I get on a good work vibe and my real work doesn't intervene, I may just have it up tonight or tomorrow!
erkrystof 2 years ago
Gazzazh, the video that covers the differences between the dx7 and dx6 d/r expo is rendering... Uploading it today, and I'll make it public once it's done processing in youtube.
erkrystof 1 year ago
Great and thanks for keeping me informed, Can't wait : )
I am sure its going to be as informative as all your other videos
the information you include and describe are both great for beginners and intermediate flyers such as myself... .. Looking forward to watching it :) Cheers
gazzazh 1 year ago
loved the dramatic pose ... great video and excellent info
gazzazh 2 years ago
Excellent! Well done, I knew how to work the d/r and expo, but not the 'one switch', thanks, now I know, it will make things way easier :-)
Skydive4ever 2 years ago
Excellent, glad to hear that it helped. I prefer the one switch myself, more so that I only have to use that one without having to 'feel around' for switches while flying. That really kind of scares me with helicopters. Airplanes, not so much, but flicking three different switches to change a helicopter's rates... Yikes!
erkrystof 2 years ago
Clarity, great info and great examples = another great instructional video.
Keep em coming E! :)
optimistONE 2 years ago
Thanks optimist, always appreciated!
erkrystof 2 years ago
V E R Y good vid. You make it real clear and understandable. Greetz from the Netherlands .. Mark.
burghoorn 2 years ago
Thank you, Mark, appreciated!
erkrystof 2 years ago
lol at the dramatic pause.. thnx for this vid!
scimitar12 2 years ago
:) Thanks for the compliment! Had to throw something goofy in there, sometimes the transmitter topics get a bit heavy.
erkrystof 2 years ago