All that exists is contingent to something else. The origin of the matter in the universe needs to be explained by the matter creating abilities of a non-contingent power. This non contingent power needs to exist by it's own necessity. Energy is proven to be non-contingent. Therefore a form of energy must had created the universe. Energy has the same attributes we give God, therefore is plausible that God had created the universe.
I find it more disturbing to hear of atheist Zionists. You are saying you condone the murder and genocide of women and children on land which you have no right to own just because you feel your right and their wrong. Sick people.
@RegularSmith "YOU'RE right and THEY'RE wrong," not "your right and their wrong."
Since you live in the United States, don't you realize that the land in which you reside was established through the "murder and genocide of women and children" too?
Don't act as if the Palestinians are just innocent victims. Do you condone suicide bombings and the taking of hostages like Gilad Shalit?
@jacqueline716 1,they were innocent victims.Prior to the 40's who did these people bother?I've heard from Jews that Jews and Muslims would babysit each others kids and that it was a very peaceful region.2, I do realize the murder and genocides this country has in its past, unfortunately I wasn't around to protest as my ancestors were slaughtered.I don't condone violence, racism, or discrimination. Israel and nations of Islam are both are built on made up fantasies of the man in the sky.
And no I don't condone terrorism. It seems shitty though that Israel blasts people's homes away with drones and advanced tech and as soon as they retaliate they are labeled terrorists. v=lpjrEr15Q58 - How do you watch this and not have any compassion for these people. And please atheists do not say this nation is a secular democracy. You are lying to yourselves so you can choose a side. Israel is very religious and their secularism is bs!
@RegularSmith I think their terrorism truly delegitimizes the Palestinian cause, making people like me less sympathetic. The fact is that they often don't retaliate against their murderers,they lash out against ALL Israelis, even the innocent ones who just happened to be born in Israel. They don't seem willing to compromise...I've watched videos on both sides and I cannot completely support either. Yes, Israel is definitely not secular, but it beats the hell out of other countries in the region.
@jacqueline716 I agree about the terrorism. They will never beat Israel anyway as Israeli tech is remarkable and they have lots of US dollars supporting them so Palestinian efforts are futile and deluded. I guess from their perspective Israel has murdered thousands of innocent children so in God's eyes this is justice. They are deluded and I grant you that but do we still regard Native Americans as immoral for having tried to defend their land from white settlers?Usually not so why the hypocrisy
@RegularSmith I feel like the Native American situation was different because they attacked their enemies and didn't deliberately target innocents...they also didn't use suicide bombers. I concede that there are some parallels between the Native American and the current Palestinian situation, but the methods that are employed differ. Also, Native Americans aren't killing anymore because the U.S. was established and we can't turn back the clock. I think the Palestinians must realize this too.
@jacqueline716 I agree with those statements. All comes back to these Abrahamic religions which defy reason and logic. If both sides converted to the true God Flying Spaghetti Monster, things would be much different. RAmen.
@jacqueline716 We have freedom in America, and equal protection. America also has a constitution and a bill of rights which Israel does not. The US has borders, which Israel does not, and the US no longer institutionalizes racism (at least not overtly, as Israel does.) The US is also by definition a secular nation that defends religious freedom and allows all to live as they wish. The US does not proclaim to be a 'White Nation' or a 'Christian Nation'.
@jacqueline716 Israel is based on fascism. A state only for Jews is racist and fascist by definition. The US and Israel are diametric opposites. The fact that our politicians are idiots and cannot understand the first amendment is another thing.
@yobouysway You are only quoting Jabotinksy, who was a radical Revisionist Zionist instead of those who actually founded Israel - the Labor Zionists (like Ben Gurion, Chaim Weizmann, and others).
Israel has no Constitution because there were too many internal divisions. Foe example religious Jews wanted to mention God and secular Jews did not. Israel has Basic Laws which are informal. Britain doesn't have a Constitution either but they guarantee basic rights for minorities as well.
@jacqueline716 If you think Jabotinsky was alone in his beliefs and that he was somehow not instrumental to the creation of Israel, or that all of the people you listed didn't act in complete uniform with the actions of Jabotinsky then you just don't know what you're talking about. Jab founded the ideology that spawned the Likud - the most dominant party in Israel.
@yobouysway The Likud did not dominate Israel's political landscape until 1977.
Your claim that Israel is fascist or Nazi-like is inaccurate and obscene. Israel is the only democratic state in the region. As an atheist, my basic rights would be guaranteed in Israel. In other countries in the Middle East...not so much.
@jacqueline716 It's not Nazi like in practice necessarily, but the ideology IS fascist. Also, your rights as an atheist would not be guaranteed in Israel. You have to be 'Jewish' whatever that means (their criteria). Also, if you're a Muslim you're fucked. What are you talking about? Comparing Israel to Iran is fucking ridiculous. I'm not trying to live like Iran. That argument could not be more heinous. Israel is 'democratic' in the sense that you have the 'right' to be Zionist
@yobouysway If you want Israel to be a modern western country democracy, then you don't know anything about Zionism or the history of Israel. It was meant to be a Jewish only state regardless of the natives. That is fascism, racism, and colonialism. The US started the same way, only the US constitution guarantees equal rights and does not recognize any religion. We also have free press in the US which is dwindling in Israel, and you are ostracized if you are not loyal to the state.
@yobouysway Also, do you understand the meaning of military occupation? Have you ever even been to Israel or speak Hebrew? I think you have a false idea of the place and the ideology from the media.
@yobouysway What do you mean do I understand what military occupation is? Of course, I'm not stupid. And no, I can't visit Israel yet even though I would like to. Am I really going to be THAT disappointed? I mean, maybe if I walk through Mea Shearim I probably would be, but I think I would feel welcomed in secular cities like Tel Aviv. Maybe I'm wrong.
@jacqueline716 You believe things based on the fairy tale narrative they print in the media which is highly influenced by Zionists. They bank on ignorant Americans to believe shit that is simply not true. The top funding for settlements (fascist colonialism) are American Jews. You just... really don't know. You really don't. Forget Mea Shearim. Do you understand that hundreds of thousands of people were evicted and a state was built on top of them? Mea Shearim is anti-zionist too
@yobouysway Come on, you think I don't know about the 750,000 Palestinians; of course I do. But the degree to which it was expulsion or flight of their own volition is highly contested. Why blame modern Israelis for their ancestors' injustices? That's like blaming modern Americans for Native American injustices. The Palestinians became a devastated community, but don't act like Israel hasn't made attempts to rectify/rehabilitate/integrate Arabs.
@yobouysway Why do you think I only read about the pro-Israeli perspective? I already know the arguments from both sides. It's not like I was brought up by overly nationalistic, right-winger Likudniks. I'm not even Jewish. You should revise your statement. The source for the top funding for settlements is AIPAC, which is not representative of most American Jews.
@yobouysway so then all the states that are arab nationalist are also fascist racist colonial states as well according to you.but you wont take that position cuz you want to support the arab states against israel.nor do you care to notice every society has some for of nationalism by which all its citizens are bound.
being that israel is a secular state you are just beyond full of shit.
@mrfreecrack ,,agree with you,,his video should be named ''Racist experience in Israel''..hes very cunning and coward antizionist bigot wouldn't dare to expose hundred times bigger problems in the christian countries - as for exmple at Mount Athos monasteries where christian monks refused women entry...
Or see how Christian churches IN ISRAEL not let in visitors in shorts, mini skirts etc..
@yobouysway All I was saying was that Israel is much more democratic than any other country in the region. Why do I have to speak Hebrew to understand Zionism/Israel? Most of what I know about Israel is based on my conversations with Israeli friends, college classes I've taken on Zionism and modern Israel, etc. I don't blindly agree with every action Israel takes (eg. the flotilla incident) but the Norman Finkelstein POV is way out of line in my opinion.
@yobouysway And I'm not denying that there are injustices in Israel, but you have to see Israel in light of countries like Iran (which I have been to). There's simply no comparison.
ahm... no... they dont serve because they believe that their whole and only purpose is to learn in a yeshviva.
actually, they do it because they think that if all the jews would be as radical as they are and learn talmood all their lifes, the messiah will finelly come, then all religios jews will be in utopia while all others will die and burn till their soul will be pure. of corse everyone who is not jew dont really have a soul so.. im not sure what will happend to them
this video is utter bullshit, you got that atheist who thinks israel is all about religion and about "two people fighting over 'god promised it to ME'". then you got that jew who might be atheist (there are many atheist jews) but he doesn't know a thing about the history of his people or the history of israel.
and you try to present this as a serious discussion.
israel is not about religion, it's about jews who fight for their right to live in their homeland.
well, if you don't want to live in a desert, let me live there.
to you it's a desert, to me it's the history of my people (fuck religion, im talking about my own history). my ancestors hoped to reach to this place because it was the only place they could call home. leave alone the "no one wants to live there" . im here cuz it's my homeland, not because "someone promised it to me", but because it was my home, and i was forced out, and i tried to get back for 2000 years!
@kidi1232 ,,agree with you,,neither hitler nor stalin didn't divided the jews into religious or not - Even secular jews, even atheist jews and even EX-jews (i e converted to Christianity) been persecuted and murdered just because their ancestors were jewish..
I don't point out such language "problems" only when an atheist does them. You think my life is limited to your group? I also don't like double negatives, which people use in Spanish all the time. If you were a Mexican with the great mind you have now, you would probably say something like: "You're just desperate to belittle Spanish speakers!"
@IamHippomchippo You act as if I have done this before. Where else have I done so?
Oh, right. I forgot. You're paranoid. You think I'm "a desperate person watching atheist videos and trying to point out grammar errors in the callers." Based on 1 case of my HAPPENING to notice something funny.
As an Israeli Atheist I can honestly say that only fools thinks Israel fights in the name of religion - I do addmit some Israeli fools do think we should.
Israel, as oppossed for its neighbors, is DEMOCRATIC. Not religious fanatic..
Israel didnt want the West Bank and the Gaza Strip in the first place! even though the west bank was JERUSALEM, JUDEA and SHOMRON (Jewish name) - No! Israel was fine and was statasfied with the 67th line - NOT to mention that they agreed to the Partition Plan!
It is better without the intro's, but without them I'd of never met Bryan Steeksma.
Religion does play a large part in the conflict. Even though Israel was set up by non-religious Socialists. You only have to listen to those settlers in the occupied lands. And then theres Jerusalem, and the Rock. Both religious groups claim it is theres on religious grounds. The liberal democracy of Israel pays close attention to the religious vote, & so does the US end of days group lot, a large block.
@LouisPlume - "Both religious groups claim it is theres on religious" Actually no, Palestinians claim the right to Palestine because [GASP] they've been in that land for centuries. It's not about religion to us, Israel made it about religion be claiming God promised it to them. We don't say that God promised it to us, it's just been our home and someone came and took it just like that.
Truth is the clash in Israel is between a modern democratic and liberal nation and a group of religious brainwashed victims. Claiming otherwise is just a backward, illiterate, uneducated and racist statement. Soon Europe will be facing a very similar situation, but I have a hunch that even when the muazin gives you an "Allah hu akbar" wakeup call from the neighbourhood mosque the jews will still be portrayed as the root of all evil.
The claim for sovereignty over Israel has little to do with religion these days. The Orthodox Jewish belief actually forbid believers to try establish Jewish dominion on Israel. The Palestinians, some of them are Muslim and some Christians. As far as I know, neither religion promises sovereignty. The rational claim is a cultural and political one. Unfortunately, there are those on both sides of the struggle that hang their claims on religious origins. A flimsy argument indeed.
im realy sorry. but this guy was surly without a guide in israel.
the fight over the land is not a religous one.
only its root is religous.
in 1919 the jews asked for a place to live that is not europe and offerd palestine. after the holacost, theit question was unressistable (6 milions died).
there for they got half israel and the palesinian got half but refused. after they refused to split' the war started and the jews won. now each one belives he owns this land.
@kakakunuka Actually the plan for the land of the Jews started in the 1800s, they were debating between 17 countries until they finally chose Palestine. The Jews started moving into Palestine in the 1800s and started illegally purchasing land there at that time by 1919 the Jews illegally (meaning against international law) own 6% of the land.
I hate it when people think the Israeli - Palestinian conflict is a religious one. Sure there is some religious bullshit in this conflict ( mainly the Jewish settlers ), but mostly this is a political conflict based on territory!. The IDF is an occupying force. The Palestinians have spent the last 43 years under occupation, which is the main reason for the terrorism.
It was the British government that promised the Jewish people a homeland in Palestine in 1917, so the problem is actually more a politically rooted one than religious.
@6070505 - So basically you're living in Palestinian's land and you're not even one of the people who think they have a God-given right to do so, or that God promised you the land. Nice!
I dont need a "promised land" thing form "god", israel has enough historical evidence that prove that this land was ours, the whole "god gave it to us thing" is just one more "proof" that some people like to point out.
@6070505 - No what you have is evidence that Eastern Jews sometime in the past lived in that land - if you're not an eastern Jew, you don't even get to claim THAT as evidence. But on the other hand, the world is filled with Roman ruins in almost every country of the old continents - so what? does that give Italians the right to occupy every country their ancestors once lived in?
@6070505 - You’re twisting my words, I never said Arabs were there way before the Jews, I said the Arabs were there before the Jews flocked to Palestine from all over the world to establish Israel. The Canaanites were there before the Jews, and those actually were “arguably” Arabs. But since I have no references on-hand to support that claim, let’s ignore that (cont)
@6070505 - the fact of the matter is there were people there before the Jews, then the Jews came and took the land “By force” slaughtering the Canaanites because God supposedly promised them the land, but then… the Jews lost the land, and were thrown out from it, and from that time on until the founding of Israel they lived there only as a minority (cont)
@6070505 - I personally am a Palestinian living in Jordan, and my family “Hammouri” is a direct descendant from the Himyarite tribe, which around the 500’s came to Palestine from the southern Arab peninsula and settled there even before Islam came to be.
And they also ceased to live there for like a thousand years. Turning Palestine into a jewish state would be kind of like giving the Bulgarians a huge chunk of Russia, because hey, they used to live there a long time ago.
Israel... it should have never been founded, that was the last bit of colonialism. And it should have CERTAINLY never been allowed to grow into what it is now, with all the illegal colonists.
In all honesty, the Palestine claim to Israel is far more legit to me.
I guess as it is now, you can't really put the Israel genie back into the bottle. But I think what CAN be done is simply go back to the UN accord, give the Palestinians the half they where going to get (not just Gaza but the half they where going to get.) And the illegal colonists can either move or become citizens of Palestine. I mean screw those fuckers, they bloody well know they shouldn't be there. It's just a landgrab.
I mean I can honestly not believe why people would defend the illegal settlers in Israel.
If you defend that, then you basically condone ANY landgrab. I mean US rightwingers seem to just love Israel, but I bet if say.. a few million Mexicans settled in Texas and then Mexico decided it had the rights to Texas, and Texas should become part of Mexico because there's mostly Mexicans living there after that settling, that those same righties would scream bloody murder.
There's no Palestine claim to Israel. Learn history. you are ignorant about the conflict and your opinions reflect that. But I agree that our claim is irrelevent. we should go back to the 67 borders and evacuate the illegal settlements. but they are no "f**kers", they're humans as much as you and they deserve the same respect you're asking for yourself.
i am an Arheist and proud Zionist !! Zionism is a secular movement, started by socialist Jews from russia,,nothing to do with religion..On the opposite there are orthodox jews who oppose zionism. 90% of the jews didnt practise religion..
This video is totally bullshit,Author of this clip straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel!
1. if zionism is secular, why was Palestine chosen?
2. it started by Theodore Herzl? He was a secular Jew from Germany who understandably wanted to create a society where Jews wouldn't face the antiSemitism there. but religion was tied in--for why Palestine was chosen, for why ppl were motivated, and why they think it's okay to dispossess the Palestinians by force
@llieno Zionism is a Jewish national movement that began in 19th century Europe...it fulfilled its goal of establishing a Jewish state in Palestine (specifically, that was the aim of Political Zionism led by Herzl). Contributing factors included antisemitism (which was not alleviated by assimilation and emancipation of European Jewry), pogroms in eastern Europe, and especially nationalism (an ideology which was sweeping through Europe at the time).
@llieno Also, Zionism is based on the premise that Jews constitute a "nation" or a "people" ---many of the factors transcend religion: shared language, shared history, shared customs/culture, same territorial origin, etc.
@jevrej1977 You're really just a fascist. Judaism is a religion and was used by the Zionists as a political tool to revise history and perpetuate a nationalistic agenda based on European ultra-nationalism in the 19th century. Jabotinsky was a fan of Mussolini, and many Zionists liked Hitler, except for the 'Jew hating thing'.
@jevrej1977 Really? And you expect the world to take you seriously? Typical Zionist idiot. I bet you've never even been to Israel or learned Zionist history. Tool
@jevrej1977 "The world has become accustomed to the idea of mass migrations and has become fond of them." He later added, "Hitler--- as odious as he is to us---has given this idea a good name in the world." (One Palestine Complete, p. 407) - Jabotinsky
@6070505 ,,i am an atheist and Proud Zionist..Even antijews use to say ''zionism is not judaism''..Being jewish is not always about religion..We are even an ethnicity..
But I do support religious jews too and no one antisemite can split and rule us..
@jevrej1977 Judaism IS a religion. Anything else is Zionist myths and propaganda. Please do some DNA tests or read some History books or talk to experts. I know you already have your mind made up and only look for stories to validate your closed-minded opinion. You're a fucking sheep - saying antisemite like you even know what it means or where the term came from. It was invented by Jew haters to make Jews seem like a race so it was easier to target them.
@yobouysway The Zionists saved Jews that wanted to come to Palestine, but let Jews that didn't die in Europe. Oh I guess they don't teach you that in fairy tale jewish school?
the reason terrorist prefer to shoot from places with civilians is so that there scared ass wont get hurt. second so that idiots like herrerik will blow the situation out 0f proportion and through this hatred prapagenda to the world.
first of all relating to the video the conflict in gaza wasnt over LAND it was because of hamas shooting rockets on isreali cities. second this comments by herrerik are so wrong he has no idea what hes talking about. he thinks that israel isnt a democracy which is so stupied. he said that palastinian citizen dont get to vote Wrong! they do thats why there are 15% arab sits in parlament. also the reason why palastinian civilians are getting killed is because terrorist prefer to shoot from houses
Not really a democracy since palestinians are not allowed to vote in the real election.
Israel do not respect the human rights, they go against more then 50 UN resolutions since last half of 20th century.
So why is it liberal? Israel is one of the most militaristic countries in the world. They mix extreme nationalism/rascism with fundamentalism religion. Its the only country in the world that has specific religion/race-based laws.
Check out some red cross reports or human right watch reports.
No, Middleastern conflict is not about Judeo-Christianity vs. Muslims, it's about Western democracy vs. Islamic totalitarianism. Let's face it: Israel is the only LIBERAL democracy in the Middle East that embraces LIBERAL values which are being suppressed in Muslim world. Every atheist who claims to be rational and values fundamental human rights should be in favor of Israel! BTW, Israel has one of the highest percentages of atheist population in the world!
I don't know if the last part of what you said is true, and I don't know if I fully agree with the first part, but I think you've got a point about Israel. A lot of people think of it as the "holy land" and that's basically what it was founded on, but regardless of its beginning, it's become a largely enlightened democracy, and strategically speaking, a very important allie.
Again what has terrorism with the legetimacy of Israels action to do?
Did the terrorism counter-groups commit against Hitler and german population make Hitler just and right? Of course not. One wrong does not make another wrong right.
When wrong is being made against you, you will react. Some will react in extreme (and unjust) ways. This doesnt make the first wrong null and void.
if you're going to make comparisons with nazism, than it's hamas who are the nazis.
because they openly say that they want to kill all jews everywhere (not just in israel), and that they would never agree to make peace with a jewish state.
that hatred which comes from a radical teaching of islam is the real reason that peace can't be achieved between israel and the palestinians. because no matter what israel does hamas and the other jihadist groups would always keep attacking the jews
You're a fucking idiot. 80 percent of Israelis are Jews. Secular doesn't mean athiestic. Israel has an awful human rights record, they kill thousands of civilians with their attacks against the Palestinians.
Technically its not a democracy, since palestinians cannot vote in the real election.
Israel do not respect the human rights, they go against more then 50 UN resolutions since last half of 20th century.
So why is it liberal? Israel is one of the most militaristic countries in the world. They mix extreme nationalism/rascism with fundamentalism religion. Its the only country in the world that has specific religion/race-based laws.
Check out some red cross reports or human right watch reports.
Don't you bother me with so-called UN resolutions. UN is an anti-semitic institution, right next to KKK and Nazi Party. While Palestinians are not allowed to vote because the are not Israeli citizens. However, any arab or muslim citizen of Israel enjoys the benefits of democracy. Now imagine Jews voting in a Muslim country. That would be a science fiction! You better get your facts straight rather than accusing Israel of racism/nationalism.
Better get my FACTS right? Like UN is anti-semitic? Yeah thats really facts... I guess red cross is also anti-semitic then?
And i think at least some of the palestinian anger comes from the occupation, right? Not only religious indoctrination. And before the 60s (start of occupation) palistine was one of the least religious arab regions.
It matter little if most of the population is living secular lives, im talking about the politics and what they base their decisions on.
Also get the FACT right, the Israeli military/police kills about three times more civilians (not counting terrorists or armed rebels) then all the terrorists together.
In US the discussion usually goes:
-Do you like terrorists?
-NO!
-Then you should be against palistinians
-Ok thats easy to remember, thanks for clearing the issue up.
What, are you insane? Just because I don't support islamic terrorism I have to support israeli terrorism? You make no sense.
It is about judaism vs. islam. That is the real root of the problem. Without those two backing the people up this situation would have been resolved many years ago. Kinda like in South Africa. Or India.
such a dumb conversation
roeytsabar 2 weeks ago
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All that exists is contingent to something else. The origin of the matter in the universe needs to be explained by the matter creating abilities of a non-contingent power. This non contingent power needs to exist by it's own necessity. Energy is proven to be non-contingent. Therefore a form of energy must had created the universe. Energy has the same attributes we give God, therefore is plausible that God had created the universe.
dejesusluisx 3 months ago
Atheist favoring Israel over Palestine. The Jews have contributed so much more to modern life than any Muslim society.
TTDMFfreaknew 4 months ago
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I find it more disturbing to hear of atheist Zionists. You are saying you condone the murder and genocide of women and children on land which you have no right to own just because you feel your right and their wrong. Sick people.
RegularSmith 5 months ago
@RegularSmith "YOU'RE right and THEY'RE wrong," not "your right and their wrong."
Since you live in the United States, don't you realize that the land in which you reside was established through the "murder and genocide of women and children" too?
Don't act as if the Palestinians are just innocent victims. Do you condone suicide bombings and the taking of hostages like Gilad Shalit?
jacqueline716 4 months ago
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@jacqueline716 1,they were innocent victims.Prior to the 40's who did these people bother?I've heard from Jews that Jews and Muslims would babysit each others kids and that it was a very peaceful region.2, I do realize the murder and genocides this country has in its past, unfortunately I wasn't around to protest as my ancestors were slaughtered.I don't condone violence, racism, or discrimination. Israel and nations of Islam are both are built on made up fantasies of the man in the sky.
RegularSmith 4 months ago
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And no I don't condone terrorism. It seems shitty though that Israel blasts people's homes away with drones and advanced tech and as soon as they retaliate they are labeled terrorists. v=lpjrEr15Q58 - How do you watch this and not have any compassion for these people. And please atheists do not say this nation is a secular democracy. You are lying to yourselves so you can choose a side. Israel is very religious and their secularism is bs!
RegularSmith 4 months ago
@RegularSmith I think their terrorism truly delegitimizes the Palestinian cause, making people like me less sympathetic. The fact is that they often don't retaliate against their murderers,they lash out against ALL Israelis, even the innocent ones who just happened to be born in Israel. They don't seem willing to compromise...I've watched videos on both sides and I cannot completely support either. Yes, Israel is definitely not secular, but it beats the hell out of other countries in the region.
jacqueline716 4 months ago
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@jacqueline716 I agree about the terrorism. They will never beat Israel anyway as Israeli tech is remarkable and they have lots of US dollars supporting them so Palestinian efforts are futile and deluded. I guess from their perspective Israel has murdered thousands of innocent children so in God's eyes this is justice. They are deluded and I grant you that but do we still regard Native Americans as immoral for having tried to defend their land from white settlers?Usually not so why the hypocrisy
RegularSmith 4 months ago
@RegularSmith I feel like the Native American situation was different because they attacked their enemies and didn't deliberately target innocents...they also didn't use suicide bombers. I concede that there are some parallels between the Native American and the current Palestinian situation, but the methods that are employed differ. Also, Native Americans aren't killing anymore because the U.S. was established and we can't turn back the clock. I think the Palestinians must realize this too.
jacqueline716 4 months ago
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@jacqueline716 I agree with those statements. All comes back to these Abrahamic religions which defy reason and logic. If both sides converted to the true God Flying Spaghetti Monster, things would be much different. RAmen.
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@jacqueline716 We have freedom in America, and equal protection. America also has a constitution and a bill of rights which Israel does not. The US has borders, which Israel does not, and the US no longer institutionalizes racism (at least not overtly, as Israel does.) The US is also by definition a secular nation that defends religious freedom and allows all to live as they wish. The US does not proclaim to be a 'White Nation' or a 'Christian Nation'.
yobouysway 4 weeks ago
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@jacqueline716 Israel is based on fascism. A state only for Jews is racist and fascist by definition. The US and Israel are diametric opposites. The fact that our politicians are idiots and cannot understand the first amendment is another thing.
yobouysway 4 weeks ago
@yobouysway You are only quoting Jabotinksy, who was a radical Revisionist Zionist instead of those who actually founded Israel - the Labor Zionists (like Ben Gurion, Chaim Weizmann, and others).
Israel has no Constitution because there were too many internal divisions. Foe example religious Jews wanted to mention God and secular Jews did not. Israel has Basic Laws which are informal. Britain doesn't have a Constitution either but they guarantee basic rights for minorities as well.
jacqueline716 4 weeks ago
@jacqueline716 If you think Jabotinsky was alone in his beliefs and that he was somehow not instrumental to the creation of Israel, or that all of the people you listed didn't act in complete uniform with the actions of Jabotinsky then you just don't know what you're talking about. Jab founded the ideology that spawned the Likud - the most dominant party in Israel.
yobouysway 4 weeks ago
@yobouysway The Likud did not dominate Israel's political landscape until 1977.
Your claim that Israel is fascist or Nazi-like is inaccurate and obscene. Israel is the only democratic state in the region. As an atheist, my basic rights would be guaranteed in Israel. In other countries in the Middle East...not so much.
jacqueline716 4 weeks ago
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@jacqueline716 It's not Nazi like in practice necessarily, but the ideology IS fascist. Also, your rights as an atheist would not be guaranteed in Israel. You have to be 'Jewish' whatever that means (their criteria). Also, if you're a Muslim you're fucked. What are you talking about? Comparing Israel to Iran is fucking ridiculous. I'm not trying to live like Iran. That argument could not be more heinous. Israel is 'democratic' in the sense that you have the 'right' to be Zionist
yobouysway 4 weeks ago
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@yobouysway If you want Israel to be a modern western country democracy, then you don't know anything about Zionism or the history of Israel. It was meant to be a Jewish only state regardless of the natives. That is fascism, racism, and colonialism. The US started the same way, only the US constitution guarantees equal rights and does not recognize any religion. We also have free press in the US which is dwindling in Israel, and you are ostracized if you are not loyal to the state.
yobouysway 4 weeks ago
@yobouysway Also, do you understand the meaning of military occupation? Have you ever even been to Israel or speak Hebrew? I think you have a false idea of the place and the ideology from the media.
yobouysway 4 weeks ago
@yobouysway What do you mean do I understand what military occupation is? Of course, I'm not stupid. And no, I can't visit Israel yet even though I would like to. Am I really going to be THAT disappointed? I mean, maybe if I walk through Mea Shearim I probably would be, but I think I would feel welcomed in secular cities like Tel Aviv. Maybe I'm wrong.
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@jacqueline716 3 million people visit a yr with no problems
mrfreecrack 4 weeks ago
@jacqueline716 You believe things based on the fairy tale narrative they print in the media which is highly influenced by Zionists. They bank on ignorant Americans to believe shit that is simply not true. The top funding for settlements (fascist colonialism) are American Jews. You just... really don't know. You really don't. Forget Mea Shearim. Do you understand that hundreds of thousands of people were evicted and a state was built on top of them? Mea Shearim is anti-zionist too
yobouysway 3 weeks ago
@yobouysway Come on, you think I don't know about the 750,000 Palestinians; of course I do. But the degree to which it was expulsion or flight of their own volition is highly contested. Why blame modern Israelis for their ancestors' injustices? That's like blaming modern Americans for Native American injustices. The Palestinians became a devastated community, but don't act like Israel hasn't made attempts to rectify/rehabilitate/integrate Arabs.
jacqueline716 3 weeks ago
@yobouysway Why do you think I only read about the pro-Israeli perspective? I already know the arguments from both sides. It's not like I was brought up by overly nationalistic, right-winger Likudniks. I'm not even Jewish. You should revise your statement. The source for the top funding for settlements is AIPAC, which is not representative of most American Jews.
jacqueline716 3 weeks ago
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@yobouysway a military occupation is required when a nations survival is put into question thanks to militant forces.
mrfreecrack 4 weeks ago
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@yobouysway so then all the states that are arab nationalist are also fascist racist colonial states as well according to you.but you wont take that position cuz you want to support the arab states against israel.nor do you care to notice every society has some for of nationalism by which all its citizens are bound.
being that israel is a secular state you are just beyond full of shit.
mrfreecrack 4 weeks ago
@mrfreecrack ,,agree with you,,his video should be named ''Racist experience in Israel''..hes very cunning and coward antizionist bigot wouldn't dare to expose hundred times bigger problems in the christian countries - as for exmple at Mount Athos monasteries where christian monks refused women entry...
Or see how Christian churches IN ISRAEL not let in visitors in shorts, mini skirts etc..
mavra1910 3 weeks ago
@yobouysway All I was saying was that Israel is much more democratic than any other country in the region. Why do I have to speak Hebrew to understand Zionism/Israel? Most of what I know about Israel is based on my conversations with Israeli friends, college classes I've taken on Zionism and modern Israel, etc. I don't blindly agree with every action Israel takes (eg. the flotilla incident) but the Norman Finkelstein POV is way out of line in my opinion.
jacqueline716 4 weeks ago 2
@yobouysway And I'm not denying that there are injustices in Israel, but you have to see Israel in light of countries like Iran (which I have been to). There's simply no comparison.
jacqueline716 4 weeks ago
israeli atheist for an atheist peace !!!l
zanvador 6 months ago
@zanvador ,,and how about Orthodox jews who refuse serving in the IDF? Aren't they for peace?.
mavra1910 3 weeks ago
@mavra1910
ahm... no... they dont serve because they believe that their whole and only purpose is to learn in a yeshviva.
actually, they do it because they think that if all the jews would be as radical as they are and learn talmood all their lifes, the messiah will finelly come, then all religios jews will be in utopia while all others will die and burn till their soul will be pure. of corse everyone who is not jew dont really have a soul so.. im not sure what will happend to them
zanvador 3 weeks ago
Religion is formalized insanity.
mikefromwa 6 months ago
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avkiseI 7 months ago
this video is utter bullshit, you got that atheist who thinks israel is all about religion and about "two people fighting over 'god promised it to ME'". then you got that jew who might be atheist (there are many atheist jews) but he doesn't know a thing about the history of his people or the history of israel.
and you try to present this as a serious discussion.
israel is not about religion, it's about jews who fight for their right to live in their homeland.
kidi1232 10 months ago
well, if you don't want to live in a desert, let me live there.
to you it's a desert, to me it's the history of my people (fuck religion, im talking about my own history). my ancestors hoped to reach to this place because it was the only place they could call home. leave alone the "no one wants to live there" . im here cuz it's my homeland, not because "someone promised it to me", but because it was my home, and i was forced out, and i tried to get back for 2000 years!
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avkiseI 7 months ago
@kidi1232 ,,agree with you,,neither hitler nor stalin didn't divided the jews into religious or not - Even secular jews, even atheist jews and even EX-jews (i e converted to Christianity) been persecuted and murdered just because their ancestors were jewish..
mavra1910 3 weeks ago
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Zionists are the most racist people on the planet.
Even if they don't follow Orthodox Judaism, their culture has been infused with the hideously racist teachings of the Talmud and Shulchan Aruch.
There is a reason by Israel has more laws pertaining to racial isolation than Hitler's 1940s Germany ever did.....
OrthodoxDarwinist 11 months ago
"...my quote, unquote, atheist experience" = my " " atheist experience.
Whadayouthink?
AthosAmo 1 year ago
@AthosAmo
Good job, you can deconstruct a turn of phrase like a pompous asshole.
IamHippomchippo 8 months ago
@IamHippomchippo It's just an observation of language. Don't have a cow, atheist.
AthosAmo 8 months ago
@AthosAmo
It's a poor observation that showed how desperate you are to belittle atheists.
IamHippomchippo 8 months ago
@IamHippomchippo Angry Atheist. Adding to the stereotype.
I don't point out such language "problems" only when an atheist does them. You think my life is limited to your group? I also don't like double negatives, which people use in Spanish all the time. If you were a Mexican with the great mind you have now, you would probably say something like: "You're just desperate to belittle Spanish speakers!"
You're a paranoid person.
AthosAmo 8 months ago
@AthosAmo
You're a desperate person watching atheist videos and trying to point out grammar errors in the callers.
Bit worse than paranoid.
IamHippomchippo 8 months ago
@IamHippomchippo You act as if I have done this before. Where else have I done so?
Oh, right. I forgot. You're paranoid. You think I'm "a desperate person watching atheist videos and trying to point out grammar errors in the callers." Based on 1 case of my HAPPENING to notice something funny.
Bit worse than paranoid.
AthosAmo 8 months ago
@AthosAmo
Yes, you are.
IamHippomchippo 8 months ago
@IamHippomchippo You win. I can't beat that assertion.
AthosAmo 8 months ago
As an Israeli Atheist I can honestly say that only fools thinks Israel fights in the name of religion - I do addmit some Israeli fools do think we should.
Israel, as oppossed for its neighbors, is DEMOCRATIC. Not religious fanatic..
Israel didnt want the West Bank and the Gaza Strip in the first place! even though the west bank was JERUSALEM, JUDEA and SHOMRON (Jewish name) - No! Israel was fine and was statasfied with the 67th line - NOT to mention that they agreed to the Partition Plan!
Megadude12345 1 year ago 15
@Megadude12345 Make no mistakes ladies and gentleman, Israel does not fight in the name of God - but for it's own right to live, to be a nation -
Israel fights fot it's right to exist.
Megadude12345 1 year ago 6
I never thought of reparations in that way.
MrPlaid81 1 year ago
I want a golden calf piggy bank...
YetAnthony 1 year ago
It is better without the intro's, but without them I'd of never met Bryan Steeksma.
Religion does play a large part in the conflict. Even though Israel was set up by non-religious Socialists. You only have to listen to those settlers in the occupied lands. And then theres Jerusalem, and the Rock. Both religious groups claim it is theres on religious grounds. The liberal democracy of Israel pays close attention to the religious vote, & so does the US end of days group lot, a large block.
LouisPlume 1 year ago
@LouisPlume - "Both religious groups claim it is theres on religious" Actually no, Palestinians claim the right to Palestine because [GASP] they've been in that land for centuries. It's not about religion to us, Israel made it about religion be claiming God promised it to them. We don't say that God promised it to us, it's just been our home and someone came and took it just like that.
psychlopes1976 1 year ago
It is better without the intro's, but without them I'd of never met Bryan Steeksma.
LouisPlume 1 year ago
LOL, even atheists are antisemite.
Truth is the clash in Israel is between a modern democratic and liberal nation and a group of religious brainwashed victims. Claiming otherwise is just a backward, illiterate, uneducated and racist statement. Soon Europe will be facing a very similar situation, but I have a hunch that even when the muazin gives you an "Allah hu akbar" wakeup call from the neighbourhood mosque the jews will still be portrayed as the root of all evil.
I guess old habits die hard.
baronnir 1 year ago
The claim for sovereignty over Israel has little to do with religion these days. The Orthodox Jewish belief actually forbid believers to try establish Jewish dominion on Israel. The Palestinians, some of them are Muslim and some Christians. As far as I know, neither religion promises sovereignty. The rational claim is a cultural and political one. Unfortunately, there are those on both sides of the struggle that hang their claims on religious origins. A flimsy argument indeed.
H3cktar 1 year ago
im realy sorry. but this guy was surly without a guide in israel.
the fight over the land is not a religous one.
only its root is religous.
in 1919 the jews asked for a place to live that is not europe and offerd palestine. after the holacost, theit question was unressistable (6 milions died).
there for they got half israel and the palesinian got half but refused. after they refused to split' the war started and the jews won. now each one belives he owns this land.
is im israeli ataist
kakakunuka 1 year ago 2
@kakakunuka Actually the plan for the land of the Jews started in the 1800s, they were debating between 17 countries until they finally chose Palestine. The Jews started moving into Palestine in the 1800s and started illegally purchasing land there at that time by 1919 the Jews illegally (meaning against international law) own 6% of the land.
xZemmax 1 year ago
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Ya... and funny thing that they are proud they did so.
ILIYYILI 1 year ago
I hate it when people think the Israeli - Palestinian conflict is a religious one. Sure there is some religious bullshit in this conflict ( mainly the Jewish settlers ), but mostly this is a political conflict based on territory!. The IDF is an occupying force. The Palestinians have spent the last 43 years under occupation, which is the main reason for the terrorism.
NevoDror88 1 year ago 3
Did she google Gaza at :26???
krsguitarist 1 year ago
It was the British government that promised the Jewish people a homeland in Palestine in 1917, so the problem is actually more a politically rooted one than religious.
TheAntiSeMight 1 year ago
Im an atheist, also an israeli.
=D
6070505 1 year ago 34
@6070505 eh eh . me too.
NuBemet 1 year ago
@6070505 =D
Shalek 1 year ago
@6070505 same.
iEngoyPie 1 year ago
@6070505 - So basically you're living in Palestinian's land and you're not even one of the people who think they have a God-given right to do so, or that God promised you the land. Nice!
psychlopes1976 1 year ago
@psychlopes1976
I dont need a "promised land" thing form "god", israel has enough historical evidence that prove that this land was ours, the whole "god gave it to us thing" is just one more "proof" that some people like to point out.
6070505 1 year ago
@6070505 - No what you have is evidence that Eastern Jews sometime in the past lived in that land - if you're not an eastern Jew, you don't even get to claim THAT as evidence. But on the other hand, the world is filled with Roman ruins in almost every country of the old continents - so what? does that give Italians the right to occupy every country their ancestors once lived in?
psychlopes1976 1 year ago
@psychlopes1976
So you'r baisically saying that arabs lived in israel way before the jews despite the historical evidence? cuz i need proof.
6070505 1 year ago
@6070505 - You’re twisting my words, I never said Arabs were there way before the Jews, I said the Arabs were there before the Jews flocked to Palestine from all over the world to establish Israel. The Canaanites were there before the Jews, and those actually were “arguably” Arabs. But since I have no references on-hand to support that claim, let’s ignore that (cont)
psychlopes1976 1 year ago
@6070505 - the fact of the matter is there were people there before the Jews, then the Jews came and took the land “By force” slaughtering the Canaanites because God supposedly promised them the land, but then… the Jews lost the land, and were thrown out from it, and from that time on until the founding of Israel they lived there only as a minority (cont)
psychlopes1976 1 year ago
@6070505 - I personally am a Palestinian living in Jordan, and my family “Hammouri” is a direct descendant from the Himyarite tribe, which around the 500’s came to Palestine from the southern Arab peninsula and settled there even before Islam came to be.
psychlopes1976 1 year ago
@psychlopes1976
I hope you do know that jews lived in this land BC? right?
6070505 1 year ago
@6070505 - I think you need what I wrote again because you obviously missed my point. I already did mention that the Jews lived there BC.
psychlopes1976 1 year ago
@6070505
And they also ceased to live there for like a thousand years. Turning Palestine into a jewish state would be kind of like giving the Bulgarians a huge chunk of Russia, because hey, they used to live there a long time ago.
Israel... it should have never been founded, that was the last bit of colonialism. And it should have CERTAINLY never been allowed to grow into what it is now, with all the illegal colonists.
In all honesty, the Palestine claim to Israel is far more legit to me.
Shavarnarak 1 year ago
@Shavarnarak
I guess as it is now, you can't really put the Israel genie back into the bottle. But I think what CAN be done is simply go back to the UN accord, give the Palestinians the half they where going to get (not just Gaza but the half they where going to get.) And the illegal colonists can either move or become citizens of Palestine. I mean screw those fuckers, they bloody well know they shouldn't be there. It's just a landgrab.
And place Jerusalem under international control.
Shavarnarak 1 year ago
@Shavarnarak
I mean I can honestly not believe why people would defend the illegal settlers in Israel.
If you defend that, then you basically condone ANY landgrab. I mean US rightwingers seem to just love Israel, but I bet if say.. a few million Mexicans settled in Texas and then Mexico decided it had the rights to Texas, and Texas should become part of Mexico because there's mostly Mexicans living there after that settling, that those same righties would scream bloody murder.
Shavarnarak 1 year ago
@Shavarnarak
There's no Palestine claim to Israel. Learn history. you are ignorant about the conflict and your opinions reflect that. But I agree that our claim is irrelevent. we should go back to the 67 borders and evacuate the illegal settlements. but they are no "f**kers", they're humans as much as you and they deserve the same respect you're asking for yourself.
DTSJ52 1 year ago 3
i am an Arheist and proud Zionist !! Zionism is a secular movement, started by socialist Jews from russia,,nothing to do with religion..On the opposite there are orthodox jews who oppose zionism. 90% of the jews didnt practise religion..
This video is totally bullshit,Author of this clip straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel!
jevrej1977 11 months ago 22
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1. if zionism is secular, why was Palestine chosen?
2. it started by Theodore Herzl? He was a secular Jew from Germany who understandably wanted to create a society where Jews wouldn't face the antiSemitism there. but religion was tied in--for why Palestine was chosen, for why ppl were motivated, and why they think it's okay to dispossess the Palestinians by force
Daniel0112358 7 months ago
@jevrej1977 Could you briefly explain to someone who knows nothing about the subject, what exactly is Zionism? What are it's aims and goals?
llieno 3 months ago
@llieno Zionism is a Jewish national movement that began in 19th century Europe...it fulfilled its goal of establishing a Jewish state in Palestine (specifically, that was the aim of Political Zionism led by Herzl). Contributing factors included antisemitism (which was not alleviated by assimilation and emancipation of European Jewry), pogroms in eastern Europe, and especially nationalism (an ideology which was sweeping through Europe at the time).
jacqueline716 3 months ago
@llieno Also, Zionism is based on the premise that Jews constitute a "nation" or a "people" ---many of the factors transcend religion: shared language, shared history, shared customs/culture, same territorial origin, etc.
jacqueline716 3 months ago
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@jevrej1977 You're really just a fascist. Judaism is a religion and was used by the Zionists as a political tool to revise history and perpetuate a nationalistic agenda based on European ultra-nationalism in the 19th century. Jabotinsky was a fan of Mussolini, and many Zionists liked Hitler, except for the 'Jew hating thing'.
yobouysway 4 weeks ago
@yobouysway ,,agree, you are fascist parrot nazi and idiot
jevrej1977 4 weeks ago 4
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@jevrej1977 Really? And you expect the world to take you seriously? Typical Zionist idiot. I bet you've never even been to Israel or learned Zionist history. Tool
yobouysway 3 weeks ago
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@jevrej1977 "The world has become accustomed to the idea of mass migrations and has become fond of them." He later added, "Hitler--- as odious as he is to us---has given this idea a good name in the world." (One Palestine Complete, p. 407) - Jabotinsky
yobouysway 4 weeks ago
@jevrej1977 ,,some typical Antizionist idiot writes a great ''news'' that 'Judaism is religion'..
So what? Even Christianity IS religion..But Germans or Swedes, or Spaniards or whoever etc etc are NATION,,
The same as even the JEWS are NATION regardles they practise judaism or not
mavra1910 3 weeks ago
@6070505 That makes two of us. Oh yeaaaah.
Sephirotheeez 4 months ago
@6070505 ,,i am an atheist and Proud Zionist..Even antijews use to say ''zionism is not judaism''..Being jewish is not always about religion..We are even an ethnicity..
But I do support religious jews too and no one antisemite can split and rule us..
Nice try :-))
jevrej1977 4 weeks ago 9
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@jevrej1977 Judaism IS a religion. Anything else is Zionist myths and propaganda. Please do some DNA tests or read some History books or talk to experts. I know you already have your mind made up and only look for stories to validate your closed-minded opinion. You're a fucking sheep - saying antisemite like you even know what it means or where the term came from. It was invented by Jew haters to make Jews seem like a race so it was easier to target them.
yobouysway 3 weeks ago
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@yobouysway The Zionists saved Jews that wanted to come to Palestine, but let Jews that didn't die in Europe. Oh I guess they don't teach you that in fairy tale jewish school?
yobouysway 3 weeks ago
the reason terrorist prefer to shoot from places with civilians is so that there scared ass wont get hurt. second so that idiots like herrerik will blow the situation out 0f proportion and through this hatred prapagenda to the world.
guyba7 2 years ago
first of all relating to the video the conflict in gaza wasnt over LAND it was because of hamas shooting rockets on isreali cities. second this comments by herrerik are so wrong he has no idea what hes talking about. he thinks that israel isnt a democracy which is so stupied. he said that palastinian citizen dont get to vote Wrong! they do thats why there are 15% arab sits in parlament. also the reason why palastinian civilians are getting killed is because terrorist prefer to shoot from houses
guyba7 2 years ago
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Not really a democracy since palestinians are not allowed to vote in the real election.
Israel do not respect the human rights, they go against more then 50 UN resolutions since last half of 20th century.
So why is it liberal? Israel is one of the most militaristic countries in the world. They mix extreme nationalism/rascism with fundamentalism religion. Its the only country in the world that has specific religion/race-based laws.
Check out some red cross reports or human right watch reports.
herrerik 2 years ago
No, Middleastern conflict is not about Judeo-Christianity vs. Muslims, it's about Western democracy vs. Islamic totalitarianism. Let's face it: Israel is the only LIBERAL democracy in the Middle East that embraces LIBERAL values which are being suppressed in Muslim world. Every atheist who claims to be rational and values fundamental human rights should be in favor of Israel! BTW, Israel has one of the highest percentages of atheist population in the world!
alisher1984 2 years ago 2
I don't know if the last part of what you said is true, and I don't know if I fully agree with the first part, but I think you've got a point about Israel. A lot of people think of it as the "holy land" and that's basically what it was founded on, but regardless of its beginning, it's become a largely enlightened democracy, and strategically speaking, a very important allie.
samOFblorx 2 years ago
i'm from israel and i can tell you that about 80% of israeli jews are not religious.
most are secular atheists. some keep jewish traditions but don't follow the religion. only a small minory are truly religious.
the war is not because of religion on israel's side. it's mostly because of religious hate from the muslim side.
the only thing that can drive someone to blow himself up to kill innocent civilians is years and years of islamic brainwashing.
BorgHub 2 years ago
K. I had a feeling it was something like that.
samOFblorx 2 years ago
Again what has terrorism with the legetimacy of Israels action to do?
Did the terrorism counter-groups commit against Hitler and german population make Hitler just and right? Of course not. One wrong does not make another wrong right.
When wrong is being made against you, you will react. Some will react in extreme (and unjust) ways. This doesnt make the first wrong null and void.
herrerik 2 years ago
if you're going to make comparisons with nazism, than it's hamas who are the nazis.
because they openly say that they want to kill all jews everywhere (not just in israel), and that they would never agree to make peace with a jewish state.
that hatred which comes from a radical teaching of islam is the real reason that peace can't be achieved between israel and the palestinians. because no matter what israel does hamas and the other jihadist groups would always keep attacking the jews
BorgHub 2 years ago
You're a fucking idiot. 80 percent of Israelis are Jews. Secular doesn't mean athiestic. Israel has an awful human rights record, they kill thousands of civilians with their attacks against the Palestinians.
Kouchpotat0 2 years ago
Technically its not a democracy, since palestinians cannot vote in the real election.
Israel do not respect the human rights, they go against more then 50 UN resolutions since last half of 20th century.
So why is it liberal? Israel is one of the most militaristic countries in the world. They mix extreme nationalism/rascism with fundamentalism religion. Its the only country in the world that has specific religion/race-based laws.
Check out some red cross reports or human right watch reports.
herrerik 2 years ago
Don't you bother me with so-called UN resolutions. UN is an anti-semitic institution, right next to KKK and Nazi Party. While Palestinians are not allowed to vote because the are not Israeli citizens. However, any arab or muslim citizen of Israel enjoys the benefits of democracy. Now imagine Jews voting in a Muslim country. That would be a science fiction! You better get your facts straight rather than accusing Israel of racism/nationalism.
alisher1984 2 years ago
Better get my FACTS right? Like UN is anti-semitic? Yeah thats really facts... I guess red cross is also anti-semitic then?
And i think at least some of the palestinian anger comes from the occupation, right? Not only religious indoctrination. And before the 60s (start of occupation) palistine was one of the least religious arab regions.
And no i dont like Hamas.
herrerik 2 years ago
It matter little if most of the population is living secular lives, im talking about the politics and what they base their decisions on.
Also get the FACT right, the Israeli military/police kills about three times more civilians (not counting terrorists or armed rebels) then all the terrorists together.
In US the discussion usually goes:
-Do you like terrorists?
-NO!
-Then you should be against palistinians
-Ok thats easy to remember, thanks for clearing the issue up.
herrerik 2 years ago
there are only two countries that are founded on religion 1- Israel 2-Pakistan they both have a problem rooted in religion
tociph 2 years ago
How about Iran? Im pretty sure they have a shia muslim foundation. They might have many laws about it as well when you think about it.
herrerik 2 years ago 3
What, are you insane? Just because I don't support islamic terrorism I have to support israeli terrorism? You make no sense.
It is about judaism vs. islam. That is the real root of the problem. Without those two backing the people up this situation would have been resolved many years ago. Kinda like in South Africa. Or India.
Jugglingbuffoon 2 years ago
SO much better without the intro. Thanx.
draagon66 3 years ago 9
Matt is looking lovely as usual. Great video!
TKMSeznam12 3 years ago