Stand up and face our enemies! (SOPA, ACTA, and PIPA)

[aGruntNamedYayap]

This movie was made by Disney, one of the biggest supporters of ACTA and SOPA. It is really the wrong choice for the video.

[bladethorn]

@ShoMinimoto lol xD Thank you! I'm glad you liked it!

[Azurewolf02]

That was a really clever video ^^ Yeah SOPA-PIPA-ACTA can go suck it!

[JCperson13]

SOPA PIPA ACTA or whatever is pure nonsense has gotta stop

[adriangojlik]

KURWA STOP ACTA !!!!

[ArixayChan]

I find it stupid that the government is actually concerned about this stuff. Why can't they be concerned about the bigger stuff, like help getting people jobs instead of throwing people in jail. I swear our government has gotten completely stupid -_-

[bladethorn]

@ArixayChan Perfectly said. 

[KittyKraz13]

@ArixayChan

Well, in defense of the government, "this stuff" -- pirating and illegal uploading -- has caused millions of jobs to be lost.

But yes!! I found this rather entertaining Blade. XD Nice song choice. And down with PIPA and SOPA and their overall crappiness.

[bladethorn]

@KittyKraz13 I totally understand the pirating illegal song/movies/TV shows. I don't oppose that at all, because even though I'm an enabler I do understand that it is still stealing. I just really hate the invasions of privacy, grotesquely disproportional sentencing, and simply how dangerous ACTA is. ACTA is the worst, ignoring most actual copyrights and attacking generic brand creations to create a monopoly. Pirating is wrong, no doubt, but the laws have very little to do with that in reality.

[KittyKraz13]

@bladethorn

The government is losing money because of the internet, and we're already in a massive debt, so you really can't blame the government for trying to find SOME ways to renovate the economy. XD I certainly wouldn't say ACTA is the worst, it deals with mostly physical things, like counterfeit DVDs and CDs; It only has one small section on the internet. Internet innovation is definitely a big problem, at least in the eyes of the government. I imagine we have a lot more bills to come.

[bladethorn]

@KittyKraz13 That's true, ACTA does limit mostly knock-off physical items, but that'd be generic medicine and crop seeds too (Monsanto's seed monopoly is already a problem because of a small gene pool) I guess that's my only real argument against any of them, and the breaking of privacy laws. After that it's just frustrating to lose my favorite sites xD But if they are allowing illegal action I can't really complain. xD

[bladethorn]

@KittyKraz13 That's true, ACTA does limit mostly knock-off physical items, but that'd be generic medicine and crop seeds too (Monsanto's seed monopoly is already a problem because of a small gene pool) I guess that's my only real argument against any of them, and the breaking of privacy laws. After that it's just frustrating to lose my favorite sites xD But if they are allowing illegal action I can't really complain. xD

[ArsenalReady]

@KittyKraz13 Worried about the economy my ass. The US government keeps spending billions of dollars on new war toys like the new super aircraft carrier that's in the works (which has cost billions) and new F-35s that have improved technology—but aren't substantial improvements from the F-15s and 16s. Hell, that new technology could be refitted to the F-15s for a lower cost but have they done that? Not a chance in hell. Don't even make me to into the fact that while piracy [cont.]

[KittyKraz13]

@ArsenalReady

Well if you aren't convinced that the government is worried about the economy, you can rest assured that the people are, and it's something people from all sides have been pushing the government to fix. And we are at a point in this illegal war where we can't turn around. Should have we gotten involved in the first place? Probably not, but can we pull out now? Probably not. Especially now that Iran more than likely has nuclear weapons. And be careful; don't confuse free (cont-)

[KittyKraz13]

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advertisement as renovation. The internet is replacing business, and capitalism is shrinking as we know. Look around and try to find a music store-- I bet you won't find a single one. Things are selling, yes, but people are rapidly losing jobs. It also causes for single-country economics. Why buy shoes from America if they are so much cheaper in France? There's a level of competition now that has never been there before. Economics relies entirely on growth, and the internet is (cont-)

[KittyKraz13]

(-cont..)

not only stopping growth, but causing it to go backwards. Also ACTA definitely does not have anything to do with Free Speech. XD it deals entirely with Innovation. SOPA of course dealt with Free Speech issues, but Americans are so quick to throw the 'free speech is being imposed' flag up whenever they sense any kind of threat. ACTA certainly does not threaten our free speech; disallowing people to have pirated things on their devices has nothing to do with free speech. (cont-)

[KittyKraz13]

(-cont..)

If anything it's entirely a 4th amendment problem. And can you really blame the government for cracking down on Megaupload? I used and appreciated megaupload just as much as the next guy, but I'm also entirely aware that it was INCREDIBLY illegal, and I knew it wouldn't last forever. It was basically the black market of the internet. XD And yes, the government is full of contradictions, but so are the people. The Left and the Right are always fighting. It's a headache to keep (cont-)

[KittyKraz13]

(-cont..)

up with. XD

And yes, God. So many more bills are to come I'm sure. I personally believe we need a new economic system as opposed to trying to save our dying one. We should embrace the internet, not blame it. I join in on your laughter. XD

[ArsenalReady]

@KittyKraz13 [cont. 5] why all the secrecy? We probably wouldn't know about the bloody thing if not for the leaks made by other countries. I'm sure you have some explanation to it all that /of course/ indicates that the government has our best interests at heart, right? || I personally don't feel that America is salvageable. It's too big, too centralized, too powerful, too intrusive, too materialistic, too environmentally destructive, too violent, and too militaristic to be [cont.]

[ArsenalReady]

@KittyKraz13 [cont. 6] salvaged. It has too much unemployment, too many home mortgage foreclosures, too much student debt, too many people living in poverty, too many people without health insurance, and does too little to help, well, pretty much anyone. Long live the American Empire? Hmm, we'll see.

[ArsenalReady]

@KittyKraz13 [cont. 4] || I'm going to leave the MU issue where it lies. I have a lot to say on the matter but it wouldn't all fit in these stupid comment boxes and I doubt you would believe a word of it anyway. || The "Left" VS. "Right" paradigm is a false one and I recommend discarding it right now. Democrats and Republicans all have the same agenda, regardless of their rhetoric. || On the topic of ACTA, let me ask you this: if ACTA is as innocent as you say, then [cont.]

[ArsenalReady]

@KittyKraz13 [cont. 3] Let's build this shiny new toy anyway! At least it'll look cool in port. Derp. || There's a Sam Ash music store not far from where I live. It's very good, and I don't see it closing down any time soon. After a quick Google search, I found more than a few music stores in my area still open. || You know, it sure doesn't help our economy when companies deliberately outsource millions of jobs to other countries like China. Walmart is a textbook example. [cont.]

[ArsenalReady]

@KittyKraz13 [cont. 2] that this is definitely not money well-spent. That shiny, new super aircraft carrier they're building now costs more than a country unto itself. What are they going to do with this carrier? MacGregor himself questioned this, saying that we're building very costly ships that we're afraid to lose, and will very likely lose thanks to submersibles (battle ships don't stand a chance against submarines). The economy sucks but hey! [cont.]

[ArsenalReady]

@KittyKraz13 The reason I brought up the wars wasn't to say anything about whether or not we ought to withdraw. My point was that the government spends a stupidly ridiculous amount on our military budget, only to try and clamp down on the Net because of /piracy/ and "woe is the economy, something must be done." That's bull. And whether or not Iran has nuclear weapons is irrelevant—retired Army Col. Douglas MacGregor disavowed his support for these new weapons, saying [cont.]

[KittyKraz13]

@ArsenalReady

It's not bull, it's entirely relevant. One cannot ignore the fact that the internet is damaging the economy. You have to be careful not to get swept up in the propaganda created by anti-ACTA supporters. That one European Announcement that has been spread around all over is incredibly fabricated, yet it's where everybody is getting their information. And whether or not Iran has nuclear weapons is no less irrelevant than you bringing up the war in the first place. Blatant (cont-)

[KittyKraz13]

(-cont..)

red herring. Don't bring things up if you do not wish to discuss them, and don't continue on about aircrafts if you don't have knowledge of them. There are plenty of areas that the government spends on that they shouldn't, but that's not what we're talking about. And you can't honestly believe Republicans and Democrats are on the same agenda. XD Republicans as a WHOLE aren't even on the same agenda; they split three very distinct ways. I'm not saying ATCA is innocent, but I AM (cont-)

[KittyKraz13]

(-cont..)

saying that it is blown far out of proportion. It's common psychology, the same psychology that was/is used for the Wall St. movement. The internet is mostly made up of the younger generation. We're easily bought and we get caught up easily into the hype. ACTA has been out in the open since 2008. It's been INTENSELY scrutinized since then. Have you read the bill, or are you simply relying on that video that's been passed around? I also believe that you mistook what I'm doing; (cont-)

[KittyKraz13]

(-cont..)

I am not, by any means, a fan of the government. I DO, however, have the rationale to understand what happened to Megaupload. You don't want to talk about MU anymore, than you shouldn't have started talking to me. MU was made by thieves, for thieves, and the internet-community is acting like a bunch of bratty children over it. Why we are all shocked that it was closed is mind blowing. THAT is what I was arguing. The government had its reasons for closing MU. We have no right to (cont-)

[KittyKraz13]

(-cont..)

stand up for it. Don't mistake my rationale as defense for the government. I am just as fed up as anyone else. XD I also tend to come off very strong during debates/conversations. I'm not angry at you or anything, so I'm sorry if I'm coming off that way. This is actually very interesting and I've been wanting to talk to someone about this, so thank you for taking me up on it. :3

[ArsenalReady]

@KittyKraz13 [cont. 5] parties and I have no wish to needlessly waste my time on that matter when I know it won't go anyplace. || I come off strong on debates like this as well so no harm done. I'm glad to be able to indulge you in this discussion. I know how it feels to be itching to discuss a certain issue.

[ArsenalReady]

@KittyKraz13 [cont. 4] portray. As for the EA you mentioned, I just now watched it. It's rubbish. || I started talking to you because you were claiming that the government actually gives a rat's ass about our economy. The first post I responded to by you didn't even mention MU. So I don't know what you're talking about. You seem very eager to discuss it but anything I have to say on the matter wouldn't be accepted, just as you scoffed at my statement about the two political [cont.]

[xPosskx]

III am incredibly lazy so I'm just gonna respond to this one thing and throw in my input. |D All I gotta really say about the actual reading of the treaty's specifics (not bill, treaty; the way of getting around controversial legislation in other words) was more difficult than you're implying since '08. The Bush/Obama administrations had refused to make the doc public in the US due to threat of "damage to national security." Thing was signed anyways by the US in October.

[xPosskx]

Speaking of bills though, I think the proposed "Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act of 2011" is worth mentioning. Thing's language is broad enough that the firm that sells your Internet access would be required to track all your Internet activity for 18 or so months, along with name, address, bank account numbers, credit card numbers, and assigned IP addresses. Anyone sane abhors child pornography, but this bill's just legally spying on your browsing.

[ArsenalReady]

@KittyKraz13 [cont. 3] be illegal for private corporations like Walmart to outsource millions of jobs to countries like China. Now that'll give our economy a jumpstart! Just think about how many more Americans would be employed, ey? || Also, really? ACTA's been out in the open since 2008? Then why am I just now hearing about it? Why hasn't the media been talking about it? And the almighty US government? Seems to me it hasn't been out in the open as much as you'd like to [cont.]

[ArsenalReady]

@KittyKraz13 [cont. 2] And it's not a red herring. The government can't claim to care about the economy when they keep raising the debt with their stupid-as-fuck spendings. They can say they care all they want, and you can believe it all you want, but actions > words. Do you honestly believe that hog-tying the Internet with a bill like SOPA would have a significant impact on our economy? Not likely. And I have a better idea: how about instead they write a law where it would [cont.]

[ArsenalReady]

@KittyKraz13 I know the Internet is damaging the economy. I never once said it wasn't, in fact I agreed with you when you said so. Also, I was talking about an aircraft CARRIER; I only mentioned actual aircrafts (F-35s) once in my first response to you. I'm beginning to wonder how thoroughly you're reading my comments. Just what exactly, in the name of any deity that may exist, do you mean by "continuing on about aircraft (CARRIERS) if I don't have knowledge about them"? [cont.]

[KittyKraz13]

(-cont..)

very different conversations here. And I agree, the spending is ridiculous, but that's precisely what keynesian economics is, and many people (esp. government officials) believe that K.E. is the only way out of debt. And absolutely not, I am VERY against SOPA and PIPA. It's ACTA that I believe is blown out of proportion. And I agree with you about Walmart; while that corporation boasts about creating millions of new jobs, it's like they are blind to the fact that they destroy (cont-)

[KittyKraz13]

(-cont..)

to Megaupload, pirating, and illegal upload. I can understand though why that was confusing to someone who was just reading it, though. And I scoffed at the Republican and Democrat thing because it was wrong. If the parties were as similar as you claim them to be, there wouldn't be so many GOP candidates. It's had a business man, military man, religious leader, and a libertarian, to name a few. There is nothing similar about any of that. They can't even pull together to (cont-)

[KittyKraz13]

(-cont..)

choose a candidate. The one place where everybody is similar is the general belief that we need to fix the debt, but HOW to fix it is, again, where things split. They are not similar at all, to say so is ridiculous. And yes, good, I'm glad we have that in common at least. I certainly wouldn't want to offend you or rile you up or anything, that's certainly not my intention.

[ArsenalReady]

@KittyKraz13 [cont. 5] nothing to make their products, and in poor working conditions no less. || Look closer. Squint if you have to, but we're not looking at "Democrats" and "Republicans," we're looking at neocons and neoliberals, which have about as much different between them as Coke and Pepsi—pretty much zip. Their cosmetics may be different (pro/anti-gay, pro/anti-gun control, pro/anti-abortion, etc.) but they're both technofascists that are busy digging graves for [cont.]

[ArsenalReady]

@KittyKraz13 [cont. 6] millions upon millions of people, all for the sake of the ever-growing Empire—this increasingly powerful, materialistic, racist, violent, militaristic empire.

[ArsenalReady]

@KittyKraz13 [cont. 4] think this is somehow just a mistake. I don't think that at all. || I would certainly appreciate it if you didn't give Walmart the benefit of the doubt so easily, and I can think of a few thousand other people in China that would appreciate it as well. Walmart knows damn well that their job-outsourcing is hurtful, yet what private corporations like themselves care about is what nets /them/ the greater profit. That means paying the Chinese next to [cont.]

[ArsenalReady]

@KittyKraz13 [cont. 3] already having signed it, why /hasn't/ the mass media been talking about it? Seems to me that something like this should be discussed very thoroughly (albeit calmly because I don't support jumping the gun) with everybody, including and especially the general public; so why are people like myself, who are very much into current events and the like, only just now hearing about it? Clearly it hasn't been plastered in enough places, and I don't [cont.]

[ArsenalReady]

@KittyKraz13 [cont. 2] seen ANY of that going on. Anywhere. If the politicians were so up into K.E. as you claim, I think we would've seen that happening but it's nowhere to be found—so really, I can only conclude that the current office-holders are using K.E. as a scapegoat for the excessive borrowing, debt and big government. This faux-Keynenianism will be the death of a lot of people, and already has been—both overseas and at home. || As far as ACTA goes, with the US [cont.]

[ArsenalReady]

@KittyKraz13 If you feel we're diverting onto two completely different conversations, then ignore what I said and move on; don't make an argument then attempt to move on. That's underhanded. But since these comment boxes are so small, I'll suppress the urge to retort and move on. || Keynesian economics also involve the belief that if poorer segments of society are given money, they'll spend it rather than hoard it, and thus stimulate the economy. Erm, sorry! Haven't really [cont.]

[ArsenalReady]

@KittyKraz13 [cont. 2] online is indeed an issue, the free and open Internet has also helped the economy as well. Have you ever bought something legally from a store JUST because you saw it on the Net? Most of the DVDs and CDs I own now are because I saw the material on here first. Many other people could testify similarly. Yet even if SOPA and ACTA were to supposedly help the economy, there's still no excuse to put a cap on free speech, something this country supposedly [cont.]

[ArsenalReady]

@KittyKraz13 [cont. 3] reveres. So then what? The government is /so/ concerned with piracy and the economy that they're willing to hog-tie the Internet and throw offending users into prison; and meanwhile they spend trillions of dollars on pricey war toys for the illegal wars in the Middle East? Yeah, because /that's/ not a contradiction. Also, they're now working on a bill called the "OPEN Act." I about died of laughter.

[KADEREL]

@ArixayChan YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MercyThorn]

humph if YT would be taken down i would a site like YT just to spite those bills

seeing im from the netherlands they cant do anything about me

[bladethorn]

@MercyThorn That's what the staff of Megaupload thought when they were in New Zealand. thought, but the US government hunted the two down and were able to arrest them and bring them back to the US for trial. ACTA in particular, being a European based but global reach kind of bill no one is untouchable.

[sirjeranreturns]

I mean SOPA and PIPA.

[sirjeranreturns]

They were both dropped by congress yesterday, so we're fine for now. =)

[bladethorn]

@sirjeranreturns Well worded, "For now" I really hope it's forever but the potential for a retry is pretty high :(

[flipflop10150]

Great!! I love it!! I despise those bills! I hate them with a burning passion!! Government is such a sore loser~:D

[bladethorn]

@flipflop10150 YUP! They haven't lost yet, though, the bills still have the potential to be passed after being edited. ACTA hasn't been voted down yet, either.

[ArsenalReady]

@bladethorn ACTA /can't/ be voted down because there is no voting process. The US has already signed it.

[bladethorn]

@ArsenalReady Source?!?!?!

[ArsenalReady]

@bladethorn PM'd.

[bladethorn]

@ArsenalReady Posted in the description with other links. This is bullshit. FUUUUU

[howlingwilf1]

nice me and my friend did our government project on porventing these bills

[bladethorn]

@howlingwilf1 Good! Getting yourselves at your class aware~ I wish I could've done that.

[WolfX1120]

cool job

[bladethorn]

@WolfX1120 Thank you~ 

[VicsVlogCandy]

amazing and as long as our disney videos stay on youtube I will be happy

[bladethorn]

@VicsVlogCandy Me too, though if the bills were passed or at some point are passed the entirety of Youtube would be at risk.

[ArsenalReady]

Love it! I fucking hate SOPA/PIPA/ACTA as much as the next person, but what I love seeing is the tight unity and brotherhood that's come about because of it. I almost do feel like we've invincible because of it. A foolish feeling but damn, I can't help it! Great work, Blade!

[bladethorn]

@ArsenalReady Thank you!! I feel it, too. Especially on Tumblr. It's like suddenly everyone grouped up and became this big ass brick wall. It scares me so much, though, having to form a wall like this against our own government. What's wrong with the world that the people have to scream and shout before the government even turns an eye?

[ArsenalReady]

@bladethorn Yeah, especially on Tumblr! It's almost overwhelming but I'm enjoying it so much. Hey, do you have an IM of some sort? Would it be OK to exchange? I'd like to talk to you more, if that's all right.

[bladethorn]

@ArsenalReady

Sure~ Ignore the username, though, I made my AIM account forever ago and used that name to appease my mom xD Could you PM me your username?